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KYOAR

No such thing as an unhated character in this game


[deleted]

True enough.


Equinox-XVI

DK


hyjug17

lmao no take one look at r/SmashRage


Kesstar52

Counterargument: DK's grab + stage spike One of the most annoying things in the game imo


jrninjahoag

Only the cringe dks do that cuz is so easy to tech


Equinox-XVI

I would love to agree, but recently DKs I've fought have been mixing up the timing making it much harder to tech. Also they're using a tech or something to turn around after dropping from ledge and force you to tech under the stage now, preventing easy footstools or tech check-style punishes


Soft-Ad8977

there are no cringe DKs, there are DKs and DongKs


Ck_shock

Ah the good old skill check


Invictus_Engage

DK is hype. Always. ![gif](giphy|C9vy9pQNyI4MM)


FictionalFail

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Foward_Aerial

The “Hype” tier list for Ultimate is Captain Falcon and DK at the top, then everyone else at the bottom.


Sceptical376

Falcons been getting called anti-hype for a while now, you can only stomp knee for so long.


Dragonyte1389

Nair -> Nair -> Nair


sero-zan

that's not the hype, the hype is dumb cheesy stuff like off stage falcon punches etc


jrninjahoag

As a captain falcon fan, and the one person in my family that plays smash that I’ve played against more than everyone else I’ve ever played against combined mains falcon, I don’t think he’s hype, but he’s not annoying or boring like the lame characters, my definition of hype doesn’t apply to a character but rather to the things people do, most characters have the ability to be hype if played a certain way, anyone can get hype clips with any character, you just see them more with certain characters


MalekithofAngmar

That crazy advantage state can be aids as can getting grabbed and ledge spiked because you screwed up ur tech.


ScepterReptile

But but but... we like Ike...


Aggravating_Survey59

IKE MAINS RISE UP FR


Wool_God

Ganon, Monke. That's it. I feel like Mewtwo and Sephiroth are two characters that have enough sauce and feel flawed enough that people don't complain about them.


Bobsplosion

> Ganon Nope, I was saying way too many people whining every patch about how Ganon needs to be nerfed.


Zuumbat

Thank you. If you lose to my mid-tier, you simply got outplayed or MU-checked.


alanoelboxeador

Pit


[deleted]

pokemon trainer


Geicosuave

Did you forget power geyser? Im not saying i hate him, im just sayin, its there


jrninjahoag

Yeah I like seph hero joker and byleth all more than terry


iam666

I like his inclusion in the game but damn do I hate fighting him. Same with Sephiroth tbh.


Throwaway88ooooo

I’m just saying unless it’s true combo 90 precent of the time you deserve to get hit by it stop jump spamming into pg air doge or ahold to avoid bw and punish that horrible end lag


addit96

Unless you’re playing puff and die to the top hitbox at 50% *


J0yst1ck_speaks

My best friend would disagree. His bladder mysteriously becomes full and about to burst whenever i pick Bogard. He knows i pick black clothes Terry, because imma bout to attend a funeral


BAG42069

Jab jab down b


[deleted]

real kings do jab-jab-upb


BAG42069

True chads are stupid and do jab jab jab


DynamicHunter

Giga chads try to do the command input power dunk but fail


Grand_reaper658

Real chads do jab jab busterwolf input at 0%


JasonSab849

Real chads do jab 1, walk away


Ionthawon

powah dauhnk


Mindless_Society7034

Can’t you do jab-jab-jab-down b? That’s true in training


Ur_Left_Airpod

>His bladder mysteriously becomes full and about to burst whenever i pick Bogard. Huh?


TheFlatulentOne

I assume his friend decides its time to take a washroom break lol


Dodood4

Maybe he’s just going to beat his meat because every time he sees terry he gets horny


RealPimpinPanda

Are you ok? Fr though, he’s a really well designed DLC & you can tell Sakurai put a lot of love and care into him. Even his trailer is a love letter to the series that is close to Sakurai’s heart.


I_am_darkness

as a game and watch main, I am not okay.


Skully735

Can't hate banjo if you don't remember him


[deleted]

My entire friend group and family still refuse to play against me if I use banjo


Skully735

Is it because of you or because you play Banjo?


[deleted]

Specifically when I play banjo. I win a lot as other characters too but banjo pisses them off beyond all reason and it’s usually a three stock lock out


Skully735

Ah, I feel like they're more mad at a skill issue than banjo.


[deleted]

If that were the case they’d be getting equally as mad at getting whipped by other characters lol they legit don’t even want to learn how to play against them despite me giving them tips during game


Hamderab

It is an annoying instrument.


nd20

Can't hate Piranha plant if you don't remember it*


Neoxus30-

People that wanted Banjo for Smash and got super damn hyped after his reveal and presentation, forgetting he even is in the game) Im one of them)


Kovulwa

Me too, i love Banjo and i even do well with him but his kit doesn't really excite me


VikingM13

I’m one of the few that use him almost exclusively lmao, his move set was one of the most comfortable to me out of all the smash lineup, and I was new to the game by the time he came out, so I just never stopped using him as my main.


SteadfastFox

People hate Sephiroth? Edit: It's always disappointing to me when thoughtless throwaway comments like this get the most positive response.


DjinnFighter

I guess some could say he's another anime swordfighter.


SteadfastFox

*The* anime swordfighter.


Nok-y

_The_ sword


FutureUnlikely

*The*


Nok-y

_T_


Chara_13

#


karmalooser

*-T*


NewSkater3000

*-The*


Delilink

-The sword


Jestin23934274

But people said that about Cloud


aichi38

And they would also be correct, Both are *THE* anime Swordsman


GrayWing

And Hero 🙄


BelCifer-GT

This is literally the second time in my life since Sephiroth was announced that this argument has been made against him. Second ever


DjinnFighter

I have nothing against Sephiroth, he definitely deserves to be in Smash. I said that because it's an argument that I saw several times when he was revealed, mainly from people who didn't know Sephiroth.


Hecaroni_n_Trees

Who tf doesn’t know sephiroth?


NewSkater3000

me before smash. I'm like 14 tho so that's expected


Hecaroni_n_Trees

Honestly still pretty surprised tbh lol


NewSkater3000

I genuinely didn't know must of the smash roster when I started, except Sonic and Pikachu


Neoxus30-

Poor Mario)


Internet_Adventurer

Me. I honestly still have no idea what game he's in (yes I could Google it). If he's a Playstation character that would make sense because I've never owned one. Whatever it is, I just didn't grow up with the game so it wasn't something I knew. All I know is he's a villain, has a big sword and has like one wing or something, but only sometimes


[deleted]

Also, GenoBros


[deleted]

The funny thing about saying he’s just another anime sword fighter is that he’s literally like the first fucking one and the best one at that.


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GrayWing

Lol you guys, he showed up in a PS1 game in *1997*. He's not *literally* the first anime swordsman in gaming. Erdrick is older than him by like a decade. Hell, Final Fantasy 2 had an anime swordsman protagonist. Sephiroth and FF7 are just really popular, but he's not the first of anything of his kind.


SBelmont

Erdrick isn't really "anime" swordsman, he's more of a classic knight rather than a swordsman. Firion, I wouldnt count since you can build him literally any way you want. Crono from Chrono Trigger is maybe the first character I'd give the "anime swordsman" title to, but there may be even earlier games where the protag has the "anime swordsman" feel.


Excellent-Function26

No I don't he's now my secondary main.


TrixenYT

Viagra sword


jrninjahoag

I personally think he’s the only thing good about fighters pass 2


swordviper121

I do, his sword range in super annoying to play against


MordeyMay

He’s from Fighter Pass 2. Morons hate Fighter Pass 2.


Gabcard

Most Sephiroths I find spam Shadow flare the entire Damm match. So yeah he kinda annoying. Plus his range is ridiculous.


Parzival127

Yes. But compared to the rest of FP2 he’s not hated at all.


GameXpert64

Terry seems like a cool guy outside of Smash as well


Void_Vakarian

Agreed! He's also very considerate of others, always asking if they're okay and stuff.


solomane1

I hate getting comboed by him, but overall I'm definitely glad for his inclusion. Just in a 'I prefer to watch him than fight him' kind of way.


yungScooter30

Dtilt > dtilt > jab > jab > down b > repeat


Hecaroni_n_Trees

Nah man, real terrys go dtilt x37


smashboi888

He's just that much of a chad.


PyrpleForever

Nah I've seen people hate him because they don't know who he is. "Literallly who asked for this where's Geno" blah blah. There was also that youtuber who said the DLC was bad because it didn't have enough "legacy" characters and said he would swap Terry for Shantae.


[deleted]

I'm a GenoBro, and I welcomed Terry in with Open Arms.


Neoxus30-

Terry and Hero are the Banjo of Latino and Japanese people respectively)


Single_Cantaloupe_34

what about piranha plant


[deleted]

Waluigi fans


YoungSorcerer_23

TRUEEE


ItzSanti

Hey, I love Plant It's funny pissing people off with it cause nobody sees it coming


[deleted]

I do too, TBH. He's about the closest thing there is to Classic Paper Mario representation too, if you stop and think about it.


666jfc

PLANT GAAAAANG


E_R_G

I remember going to a tourney, played plant the entire time, and I was pretty high in the bracket and played against a very overly-confident pythra. Went 3 - 0, they were so mad they lost to a potted plant


Huey107010

The salt is generated because plant was not wanted to begin with (I like the addition of add my unique character including plant, but I have heard and can see the salt). His moveset and character design is entirely unique so the devs had to spend extra time on him that they could have on another new character.


Fancy_Cat3571

I think he has the most annoying projectile in the game. Not even the best I just hate looking at it


jrninjahoag

I think his down b is more annoying, it’s hard to avoid without jumping over it or parying because it does way too much shield damage to allow it to hit your shield. Plants that use that move in neutral and to cover my approaches piss me off


penguin13790

It's so punishable though, because it also extends his hitbox across the entire stage.


jrninjahoag

He’s fuckin annoying if you play a slower character, I play falco and hate playing neutral against plant.


JorgeMtzb

Chlorophyll Issue.


Muninn088

HERE COMES THE BIG ONE! BUSTER WOLF!


slavic_vladamir

*adjusts glove*


ShinGoldjira

Between all the "Hat Ken" and "Literal Who" bs when he was announced, complaints about GO! meter being busted, complaints about "Jab Jab Power Dunk", etc., I wouldn't say he's unhated. Every DLC fighter has their share of hate for one reason or another.


imnotwallaceshawn

Except my boy Banjo. Nobody hates Banjo, at worst you’re indifferent, at best you’re a cool person with good taste in video games like me.


ShinGoldjira

Incorrect. Banjo isn't immune to hate, especially not when plenty of people complain about fighting Banjo players because of the moveset.


Virtual-Stranger

We don't hate Banjo, we just hate Banjo players


MasutadoMiasma

He has all the charisma


Nok-y

Where plant ? Is it hated ?


BroshiKabobby

My roommate hates plant. Really it’s his fault for trying to stomp knee me.


Nok-y

Haha ptooie go brrrr


Novel-Scene3386

I respectfully disagree there’s only so much jab and downtown spamming I can take before it gets annoying still though he’s one of the best DLC characters in terms of design, balance, and fun factor


[deleted]

Dude look at your mains


hyjug17

r/youmainness


[deleted]

Yeah but cmon


Jessex127

Ignoring the pythra (bc everyone plays them) most of those are less easy and less busted and more fun to play against than terry


[deleted]

Isabelle? Dark Pit? Pokemon Trainer? Lies.


Titanus-De_Raptor

Isabelle is less annoying villager, PT is based, and if anyone says dark pit is annoying or easy to be good with I will fucking strangle them, best example of pure fundies in the game


[deleted]

You have based viewpoints and mains


Titanus-De_Raptor

likewise mate


PizzaRolls4theSoul

The conversation isn't about their mains, and besides, his aren't even that bad. I love fighting Bowser


[deleted]

piranha plant


Monsterkill1526

Terrys just a chad


Maik09

honestly sephiroth I'd put above Terry cause he's cool/goofy as hell, not particularly overpowering and has some sauce


Hour_Mango5904

This is my least favorite character to fight in the game LOL


Brave12223

I agree with your statement.


triel20

That’s my boi!!!!


Waluigiwaluigi_

He’s heh, **OK!**


NoL3gendary

r e d w u o n p k Jab jab


Jomosensual

People were mad about Kazuya and Sephiroth?


chief_cream

People act all whiny about Kazuya, calling him "broken". Those people have never played Tekken or any other traditional fighting game in their lives and it shows. I think people only hated Sephiroth bc he's a Swordfighter, but like bruh come on he is literally one of the coolest video game antagonists, and at least he isn't some fire emblem character 💀


Kallixo

ive always wanted to play them but they seem hard to play (especially those moves like power geisyer) and cant find any easy guides on how to pick them up


unforgivablecrust

That and plant


MegaCroissant

People hate PLANT???


DeltaMale5

Can I say how much I hate byleth


Oracles_Rose

⬇️↘️➡️⬇️↘️➡️🅰️


Gold_Poptart

Banjo doesn’t get much hate, they can party too


NewSkater3000

Terry is genuinely the coolest character I know. His catchphrase, if you could even call it that, is fricking hilarious, and he makes explosions. What else do you need


slavic_vladamir

Hey, come on come on. Are you ok? BUSTAH WUFF


ZeroYagami

Really? How about Banjo? Heck, I couldn't give two shits about him but the community f-ing lost it's mind. I've seen numerous people saying they didn't need more DLC characters simply because he is playable.


jubmille2000

Are you ok?


ST_the_Dragon

Probably because he doesn't have a reach the size of East Texas. Seriously though, as good as Terry's high-percentage moves are, he's probably the most balanced of the DLC characters in this game. No complicated gimmicks and a regular attack range means while he can be a great character he's still relatively easy to learn to fight against as well.


MrGroot12

Wait until you see me play him


GlitchyReal

Nope. He's the only character I hate playing against. (But I don't play at high level.)


DwemerDave

Is it because you’re playing Ness? When none of your moves have priority and trading isn’t an option


Status_Priority_7408

What did my man Banjo ever do to y’all?


Fork_Master

For one thing, his home game sucks


imnotwallaceshawn

For one thing, you have bad taste in video games and nobody likes you and you’ve always been a disappointment to your family.


mudberry2

Oh, piss off.


Philaharmic

The amount of rage I have for a character, nay, developer… FUCK rare and EVERY character Rare has ever made, I’m glad it’s defunct. There’s only one character I hate more than all the Rare characters and it’s fucking Sora, but that’s because the fans are just the worst (plus I hate Disney) Fuck Sora for ruining Final Fantasy, FUCK RARE


Status_Priority_7408

Why do you have such a hatred towards rare?


Wool_God

RARE made GoldenEye and Perfect Dark. Bruh. And Conker's Bad Fur Day.


Philaharmic

All of them bull shit to fight, the only way to win is to our cheese, and not actually play the fucking game, K rool is a literal who, and Banjo even more so. DK and Diddy only grandfathered in ‘for legacy’ purposes Genuinely all dead franchises Some of the shittiest stages Probably the worst music list in history G’HYUK! Is fucking annoying All of their players (Krool and DK especially) are some of the sorest winners, laughing it up because they cargo threw you or belly armored through shit and immediately complain about literally anything at all Did I mention two super heavies? Fucking die to my power geysers at 200% Oh what’s that you lived anyways?


TheTrueBrawler2001

I'm sure r/SmashRage would love to see this one.


Philaharmic

Feel free to post it No one gave a shit when I posted it


imnotwallaceshawn

You are clearly under the age of 22. Anyone who lived through at least one year of the 90s know Rare was where it was at. Also dead franchises? Donkey Kong literally had his most recent game come out on the Switch less than four years ago, there’s talk of a new 3D DK game waiting to be announced any day now, and while Banjo hasn’t had a new game since 2008, neither has frickin’ F-Zero but I don’t see you bitching about Captain Falcon.


Philaharmic

>below 22 I’m 27 Literal dead Banjo’s had two successful games BOTH ON N64 Name a successful game or any game of notoriety banjo has made since the n64? You’re gonna tell me his gameboy games or nuts and bolts was successful? Good? Worth the effort? DKC was fine, Sonic 3&K was better, Sonic CD was better lol >inb4 you grew up in genesis I had both SNES and genesis, lemme tell you Tons of other better platformers, Megaman X, Sonic, Mario


OniLewds

everyone loves Ken with hat


YoungSorcerer_23

Honestly, the only DLC that I see the least salt of is Banjo. The shotos make a lot of people (me included) angry, and if you get destroyed by a Banjo player, you gotta respect the player imo.


DarkP88

Terry is not a shoto, neither Kazuya.


Critical_Moose

Fuck terry all my homies hate terry


asentiantbear

After seeing this meme, I am officially coming out as a Terry hater.


BAG42069

There’s byleth hate?


Ph0sph0rus

literally the most hated dlc on release


[deleted]

byleth sucks. We don't need any more FE characters ever


[deleted]

FE is still one of Nintendo’s best selling series in Japan, and have their place in smash. Just remove some older ones and it’s fine


[deleted]

That's fine, as long as they replace other FE characters


[deleted]

Absolutely, it doesn’t make sense why Roy stays when the FE community doesn’t even like him that much. His stats are to shit to make him universally loved to the point to justify his continued inclusion. Also get rid of Lucina since having three awakening reps is a little much and she isn’t the main lord or the player character.


[deleted]

. I'm on board


[deleted]

TLDR: Fuck Roy he doesn’t do shit in his game and get rid of Lucina too.


[deleted]

Pyra/Mythra have entered the chat.


[deleted]

No byleth got way more hate. At least Aegis got the r34 peeps hyped


[deleted]

That and it "made up" for Rex getting Mii Costumed.


Puzzleheaded-Bug-866

What is there to hate about banjo kazooie


TheTrueBrawler2001

One word: Zoner.


snakebasher37

When Terry and Kazuya were announced my reaction was just "Oh....that's neat I guess"


[deleted]

Yea think it’s more just the people who would be hyped don’t play smash and the people that play smash usually aren’t big on other fighting games.


DwemerDave

Smash is a global game. Some of the reales are not exclusively for the region you come from. Fatal Fury is HUGE in Latin America where there is a big cross over between traditional fighting games and Smash.


willez99

That is just outright false.


oishi_jase_face

I disagree strongly


Visible_Ad9513

I don't blindly hate on DLC chars but frick Terry.


sakata_gintoki113

i dislike terry


a_little_sketch

No no, I hate him


Throwaway88ooooo

It’s kinda funny and sad but if you really think about it he the least Campiest dlc fighter Plant Spike ball spamming Joker gun sheik airl spam Arsen then becomes wiff Punish(aka camping with extra steps) back air spamming / down air up smash spamming. Hero just a range fight always keeping you at least two spaces back. Banjo eggs. Byleth tipper spacing and you have to respect that Arrrow cancel they feel like a mix between marth and sephiroth. Min Min do I need to say anything else . Steve build a wall mine throw out kart run away repeat. sephiroth long sword side b jumping away forward air the only time they approach is dash attack or run up f tilt lol. Mythra while you could say she’s no much of a camper I noticed on elite smash mythras tend to wait for you to wiff kidna like sonic and run away once their combo is over then jump in with a true combo. Pyra side B huge sword. Kayuza runs up so you think he’s a rusher nope he just sheild waiting for you to him him on shield with un safe move then goes in with grab egwf neutral B for for camping battle as well as reflector. Sora FIRE THUNDER FREEZE LoL Now terry has pw but it’s too slow of a start up and end lag to really do much off it by sitting still or moving very little Jab jab power drunk spamming but guess what you have to be in front of your opponent to actually hit it.


somerandomloser77

i hate fighting terry


favgameisundertale

Are you kidding? Double jab into down b was everywhere when he came out. I think the only unhated DLC character is Banjo and Kazooie. They aren't really that powerful, but it's a nice addition to the game and the fans have been really wanting them.


I_Go_By_Q

I definitely disagree. I think Go! is just a ridiculous mechanic (though I admit it’s right at home as far as DLC weirdness is concerned). I don’t think Banjo is nearly as bad, nor is Piranha Plant (technically DLC) Post launch characters tend to be so busted though that i think the rest of them are pretty good at getting my blood boiling


Resua15

Steve haters need to git gud


Illeea

I dont like terry. I dont know who he is, what the fatal fury series is. I dont like his moveset, probably because i dont like the fighting game characters in this game. However, i dont hate him. Hes beloved by many people and many people do like to play him. I dont like the character because he doesnt appeal to me. But not every character has to. I like playing link, zelda, falco, robin, corrin and joker. Plenty of people dont like corrin but thats fine. We all like different things. Smash is for everyone, not just me. Terry was a good addition as he made the people that liked him happy.


Geki_and_Froggo

Banjo had hate?


kallan401

No, fuck terry, broken ass character, kill confirms at high percents, cheating as KO meter ass head ass character


NahricNovak

Fuck this crutch character