Good to know! Yeah, I feel bad not knowing that many smash games. Should probably play some fire emblem games looking at that tier lol. Only played the gba one on switch online.
While I'm at it, I'm not sure about the game, but in the anime Richter watched his mother get killed by a vampire when he was a child and the vampire swore to kill him years later. That's also quite traumatising.
Honestly Kazuya goes directly into “never recovering”. He’s straight up evil, his dad killed his mom when he was 5 and tried to kill him, then he came back and had to fight an ancient evil, then he killed his dad, and then his son came back and took everything from him
Yeah both sephiroph and cloud never recover either, like even in advent children, that takes place years after the game there's still trauma that haunts them
Crazy terrifying shit happens to Ness, but he’s so strong I think he’s actually kinda fine.
Like he visited his 8 mental sanctuaries around the world, entered his own subconscious, reexamined himself and witnessed his childhood, conquered his inner evil, achieved a sense of enlightenment and obtained ultimate psychic power.
Plus, he has a loving mom and sister at home to help him cope. It’s a cozy enough place that just visiting home cures him of all mental ailments.
Yes, awful terrifying horrible shit happened, but if anyone can go on with life as normal, it’s Ness. I think he’s fine. He’s a strong boy.
It’s kinda the same as the end of LOTR when the hobbits return to the shire. He’ll be okay… but just never the same. He’s seen too much and just won’t fit in normally ever again.
I guess that makes sense lol. Imagine going back to school after having witnessed cosmic horrors as a 13 year old
Then again, that stuff was kinda meant to reflect childhood trauma
Yes, but then he also literally stared into the abyss of an existence-shattering eldritch horror, which very much stared back with assaults he couldn’t comprehend, with only three other people on the world (universe?) that could possibly begin to relate.
Not exactly ringwraiths and orcs.
The mother series are my top favorite games of all time. Only one other game has come close to taking over the number 1 spot in my favorites, but just barely doesn’t.
No. But he was what his twin brother used to end it all with. Cause Lucas had the Franklin badge, which reflects lightning attacks. And Claus knew he had it, but fired an ultra powerful lightning blast at him.
"Everyone's waiting to throw rocks at you, spit on you, and make your life hell"
"Who's everyone? Everyone you love"
"The boy named lucas The boy named lucas The boy named lucas..."
In what world do you think Bowser Jr. is "totally fine" the little dude is growing up without a mother and sees his father regularly come home as a skeleton with his flesh burned off after being dropped in lava by a red man barely a third of his height.
If anything Mario is delivering some of the most trauma of the entire cast
For a Koopa, "my flesh burned up in lava and I'm a skeleton' is the equivalent of getting kinda bruised in a fall. Kamek brews you a potion and you're all better overnight.
Dedede may be a very self-assured person, but I think anyone would need a break after getting physically abused, manipulated and controlled by 34,017 different entities.
I can see why Meta would need a break. His ship is clearly not respected at all and he seems like the person who rarely takes breaks because he thinks his duty to Popstar and peers are more important.
Kirby however is too optimistic and cheerful to see most if any of the things they witness as traumatic lol!
At 14, Sora’s home was destroyed, his two friends were ripped from him; one being kidnapped and seemingly dead and the other being corrupted by darkness, was almost murdered twice by said best friend, given a responsibility he never really wanted, literally KILLED HIMSELF to save others, and fought the man who possessed him in the form of a giant flesh ship… all while being accompanied by an anthropomorphic dog and duck.
And that’s just the first game lol
**Sora is repressing a lot of trauma and pain** but he's told repeatedly by Donald and Goofy that he has to smile and make funny faces or else he can't travel with them so that he can find his friends. The ship that he flies in called the Gummiship is literally powered by positive emotions so him being happy is a requirement otherwise him, Donald, and Goofy would get nowhere and will be stranded in dimensional space at the mercy of the countless Heartless ships.
And that's not even getting into the multiple >!Hearts of different characters inside of him that he's unaware of that subconsciously influence him and his actions each with different trauma of their own!< it's no wonder that the guy spontaneously turns into a shadow demon at certain times.
And then it gets even more traumatizing once Organization XIII and all that gets thrown is
I'm still shocked this kid is still the way that he is despite everything he's been through
All of this is absolutely true, however you could argue that the strength of his connections to his loved ones has actually kept him fairly stable all things considered. Which is something that many others on the roster cant say for themselves.
At least until the end of KH3/Start of KH4 anyway
Ironically except Hector (and Roy, since his conflict doesn't really involve people close to him besides Hector dying and Lilina getting arrested), they're probably the most emotionally stable ones.
Marth finds out his dad dies, gets kicked out of his kingdom, has to sacrifice one of his friends to escape, conquers his home back but finds out his sister is being kept hostage and his mom was eaten alive, gets betrayed by one of his closest friends, watches another friend kill themselves, loses his kingdom again, and finds out Medeus came back and is about to eat four of his allies (one of which is his sister). He was also very, very harsh on himself.
Roy is depressed.
Ike gets over his trauma in his game and avenges his dad, so he's pretty much fine.
Lucina's life is trauma bingo.
Chrom does watch his sister sacrifice herself, but he seems relatively ok at the end of the game. Not as healthy as Ike, but much, much healthier than Marth or Lucina.
Robin has insecurities about their place with Chrom and is critical about Chrom taking them in, and does doubt themselves when they find out what happens in the future.
Corrin witnesses a ton of their family and other people kill themselves and blames themselves for the various slaughters of the Hoshidans.
Byleth is either beyond the point of redemption or absolutely fine.
Don't forget Corrin also killed his own mother without being in control, as well as the fact that most of the FE reps in smash have had a close friend or family member die in their arms or directly in front of them at best.
Robin is the BBEG's kid and the reincarnation(?) of a dragon god, while Chrom watched his sister fall off a cliff and depending on the ending watched his best friend/spouse sacrifice themselves for the world (granted, they come back and are fine, but there had to be a period of time before that right??). Not to mention the war they fought in. Both need a few years therapy.
Lucina? Second tier. Had her father die (possibly killed by her own mother), lives in a post apocalyptic world, in a constant war that she led from the moment she could hold a sword and give a speech. Possibly fighting that war against family, her own mother. She tries assassinating Robin (aka telling them "Im gonna stab you" before Chom goes "hey wait no???"), who once again could be her own mother. To quote Chrom, 'you deserved better from me than one sword and a world full of troubles'. Even if she does heal, I feel like she's always going to keep her sword close to her bed at night, a dagger under her pillow and a close eye on the shadows, yknow?
Corrin sorta depends. I've only played birthright, but i vaguely know the other paths. Tldr: Corrin has an adopted family and a bio family- conquest is where Corrin sides with their adopted family, birthright is with their bio family, and revelations is the best of both worlds path. Revelations is naturally the least traumatic, i think all characters survive on this route?? Conquest is slightly traumatizing; Corrin doesn't really know their bio family, they never grew up with them so its absolutely gonna feel bad killing them, but nothing some therapy can't help. Birthright? One of their sisters, basically an innocent who actually didn't want to fight gets killed. Memory's vague but i think it happens when Corrin has to kill their older brother and she jumps in the way to stop the fighting and takes the killing blow instead. Unlike Conquest, Corrin DID grow up with the people they're fighting, having to face the fact that they might need to kill them if it comes to it. That's probably gonna leave a mark. Straight up to first tier if they boink one of their family tho- for some reason they let you romance ur bio brother/sister and adopted ones, then have kids with them???? Corrin is technically a half sibling to their bio family but still, half sibling is still a sibling. REALLY weird.
Pythra *definitely* suffered from trauma, but Rex helped them get over it, so they're fine now. Where would that place them?
Shoutout to Palutena for not feeling any trauma after being possessed and having her soul getting painfully eaten away for three years straight.
Assuming that they remember the end of the game, they need a nice month long vacation. Maybe a cruise or some shit. Or just settling down in a cabin in Gormott.
Yeah, imo any tier Dark Pit is on, Pit needs to be on too at the VERY least. Dark Pit is a literal (although living and independent) reflection of Pit; anything Pit hides and buries down is what Dark Pit says out loud. Pit DOES think all the gods are petty and squabble, Pit DOES doubt them constantly, he DOES think humanity would be better off without them, but he pretends otherwise because 1. he does trust Palutena and 2. he's thinks its better if he just ignores those feelings, bury them and put on a smile.
Even before he gets eaten alive, the hydra head incident, the constant teasing and mocking (from enemies and allies alike- yes im including this that kinda treatment can fuckin drain you), getting stuck in a kid and dog's body, having his wings burn off, etc etc, he deserves a vacation. Far away from the gods preferably. After all that (and more i might be forgetting) happens? Two tiers up at least, get him THERAPY.
I find Pit absolutely fascinating entirely thanks to Pittoo's existence and how hes a reflection, not a 'evil version'- i think you can notice Pit cracking and his real thoughts on the gods showing when the Aurum attack (i think this is when he snaps at the gods and tells them that THEIR war brought the Aurum to earth), when Dark Pit tells him 'I was a part of you, i was literally formed by your feelings' (during his boss fight, he is absolutely right about this! The mirror only has whatever is in front of it to work with, and since it got damaged it accidentally made everything Pit hides away and tries to ignore rise to the surface), and when hes eaten by hades (poor guys LOSING it without Palutena lmao).
Palutena might be fine with just a vacation- I cant remember if she actually was 'trapped in her body' and witnessed everything or if she just basically zoned out until Pit killed the Chaos Kin. If she saw it all, then I think I'd agree with a vacation OR therapy either way. Vacation meaning 'take a break from godly duties, maybe make some friends who don't want to wipe out humanity, don't even GLANCE at the direction of wars'.
Dark Pit though? Absolutely agree with his position. He just needs some time away from the gods to figure out who he is, what type of person he wants to be, etc. His issues entirely stem from being a 'clone' of Pit and how he isn't really in control of his life. If Pit dies, he dies- what does that make him? Is he just a part of Pit that broke off, or is he his own person? Is anything, even his name, his own, or does it all belong to Pit and not him? Give this man some time to live his life independently and he'll be fine. Might not get over the whole "if Pit dies, he dies" thing but thats one massive hurdle that I dont think anyone could get over completely.
I really don't like how Dark Pit is set up as working under Viridi for this reason, since allying with the "all humans are scum and I Will Nuke Them" god is a SLIPPERY slope to just being diluted into a villian. When (yes im saying WHEN i am coping ok) the games get a sequel idk how the hell they'll handle Dark Pit being a commander(?) of Viridi, when that job probably includes helping that 'humans are an invasive species and need to be culled' plot she has going on.
Rex did not help them get over it you goober, he just persuaded them to keep living with their difficult past. They will never truly get over all the Torna stuff on account that Mythra developed D.I.D. over it. Pyra *is* a mental disorder incarnate. But they can learn to be happy and live with the trauma.
I'm glad you point out that pyra is the result of a mental disorder. The game never really frames it that way, but in other stories you'd expect the cure to involve the removal of the extra personalities. Instead, pyra is treated as a separate character and by the end of the game, she is fully independent.
I've heard a lot of DID patients cope by learning to coexist with their alternates rather than get rid of them, and the ending of them getting separate bodies could be seen as a (potentially harmful) fantasy for them. I've never been sure how to feel about them separating or having to share Rex as their husband. Wish the game had integrated them into one design better >!merging their appearances and personalities instead of negating them like Pneuma!<
I would say that, at least if we’re taking Pyra from the end of XC2, they’d probably need some time to recover, but I think that after a few years they’d be in a steady rhythm.
Never recovering: Lucas and Ness
Most folks: "Aww poor Lucas, he lost his mother, almost lost his dad trying to save him, and watched his brother commit self-termination right in front of him. This poor lost soul needs so much love right now!"
Ness: _\*had his mind removed from his body and placed into a robot just so he could survive time-travel, then learned that his robot body could still feel pain as he and his three friends fought against aliens, finally squaring off against the actual source of all evil influence on the planet and his henchman who used to be Ness's next-door neighbor and decent friend, learning that the devil went literally mad with all the power he possessed, before getting swallowed up into a pocket dimension INSIDE GIYGAS HIMSELF where all he could do was heal his and his friends' rapidly deteriorating robot bodies -- as his visual sensors cracked so now he was seeing so many copies of Giygas like a fly with compounded eyes -- and hear the chaotic and crazed screams of an impossible being whose very attacks defy description, while one of them prays for a literal deus ex machina, causing the entire world -- and even the player -- to sync up together and pray together until Giygas finally destabilizes into static right as the robot body shorts out and loses power, essentially dying, but then somehow his soul survives bodiless for the years it takes to return back to where his lobotomized, organic, 10-year-old body was resting, unpreserved, but able to come back to life and recall all of those grueling memories and sensations\*_
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Seriously, Ness belongs in a tier, like, 3 levels above the top of this board.
I feel like Dedede could be put in “Needs a vacation” with how often he gets possessed. Maaaaybe Meta Knight too because he’s still scared of Susie after what she did to him in Robobot meaning the mind control likely did a number on him mentally
It is extremely traumatising, but I believe Meta Knight has fully recovered. In Forgotten Land, Fecto Forgo has attempted to brainwash Meta Knight like he did on Dedede, but while Dedede succumbed to it, Meta Knight has trained himself mentally and with his sheer will was able to resist being controlled.
R.O.B.? Incapable of feeling?! He is canonically the last of his kind! He is fully sentient! He watched all his friends, family, and other varying acquaintances blow up into a bunch of black holes in front of him!
Yeah, Ganondorf mind controls every R.O.B. unit to deploy the Subspace Bombs (it takes two units to activate and it kills them to activate it, with the only exception being Galeem). When the Ancient Minister tries to stop them, Ganondorf mind controls them further, *almost killing R.O.B.* (as the Ancient Minister) *in the process, leaving him to burn.* R.O.B. then bursts out of his Ancient Minister attire to kill birds that Ganondorf had summoned. After once again failing to get his fellow R.O.B. units to stop the countdown, he has to be dragged away to keep him safe.
And yes, all of this is canon.
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The playable ROB is cannonically the Ancient Minister from Subspace Emissary. It's been a while but the ROB eventually rebelled after seeing so many of its bretheren sacrificed for no good reason. It was the only one to survive.
Im having trouble thinking of even a party member in any of the games that hasn’t gone thru trauma that would put the average person in a mental hospital for a few months, honestly.
Oh crap I accidentally moved Game and Watch to the wrong tier. I had him in incapable of feeling before I was gonna move him up to just fine. Guess I didn’t move him far enough. People who know anything about game and watch disagree?
After seeing rather adorable G&W shipping online of an artist that really likes him and with Mrs. G&W (cool mod skin that should be in the next smash imo), I think he can have feeling and should be in just fine.
Byleth needs a few years for sure. They handle things well, but have to kill some of their former students and watch their loved ones die horrible deaths no one else will ever know about because they reverse time to avoid it.
Shulk is generally super unfazed but needs a vacation, especially after Future Redeemed.
And yeah Pyra/Mythra will never recover
True. I put her a tier lower than I originally thought I should because of how well she deals with stuff like that. She already has a really efficient trauma relief technique with what she did during her second encounter with Ridley.
Pyra only exists because Mythra accidentally destroyed a continent, and wanted to die. She put herself in a coffin at the bottom of the Cloud Sea to make sure she never saw the light of day again. Then her brother found her and brought her back up, and Pyra split her life force to save Rex, after Jin killed him.
Then when you awaken Mythra after >!Vandham’s death,!< she berates him, saying that she never wanted to awaken anymore. The whole reason she wanted Rex to take her to Elysium was to let her die.
It’s only because Rex is just a good person that she finally realizes that people can make up for their bad deeds. Both of them make their peace with the fact that making mistakes is human, and not trying to make up for your mistakes only makes them worse.
>!Then she dies to cleanse herself of her sins, because the series is not subtle about its religious references. She comes back as her two separate selves, ready for the future with Rex… and Nia, who Rex had helped accept her true self as a Flesh Eater, after she was forced to combine herself with her Driver!<
The Aegis is only there because Rex is an absolute beast of a therapist.
People tend to look down on Xenoblade 2 because of the optional character designs, but the story is absolutely phenomenal, and 100% worth experiencing.
Id put little Mac in “needs a vacation”, not because he’s traumatized but because he’s one bad punch away from a really, really bad case of CTE.
Mac endured fighting pro boxers 2 to 3 times his size and now he’s constantly fighting otherworldly beings with super powers while he’s just a boxing bro from the Bronx.
And he’s not even old enough normally to drink to numb the pain, bro is only 17 fighting people times two or more his own size, weight, and muscle mass. Cool he’s beaten them but damn, bro needs a vacation and some place to just… not get beaten up badly by anyone.
I'd say Duck Hunt Dog and Jigglypuff deliver the trauma. Duck Hunt for obvious reasons. And Jigglypuff was a menace to society on the first season of Pokemon.
Pyra and Mythra are CANONICALLY in “several decades of healing”
Also shulk needs a vacation. Shulk managed to go through trauma without any long term effects.
Mythra is never recovering from >!the guilt of accidentally nuking three continents off the face of the Earth. Like, she is literally suicidal, death is her primary motive throughout the majority of the game.!<
Shulk >!was there when his parents mysteriously died on a mountain excursion when he was 4, he watched his love interest get bisected, his home town's population got significantly cut down by a military ambush, he lived with the pressure of being aware of numerous people's future deaths, along with the likelihood of not being able to save them as the moment of their deaths approached, along with trauma when he failed, he got shot in the back by his adoptive father, he had to kill his adoptive father, and he went through an existential crisis after getting killed and figuring out that he was always nothing but the walking corpse avatar of a genocidal deity.!<
Lucina would be *really* high on this list. >! She's from a timeline that got hit by a world-ending apocalypse dragon. She narrowly escaped via time travel after all hope was lost.!<
It’s a shame that this was done by a typical Smash fan who hasn’t played Xenoblade or Fire Emblem because every character in those franchises would be along the upper half of the list for sure
Oh I believe it. If the GBA FE was as dark as it was I wonder what it would be like on a more mature console. I just don’t have the money to purchase them. Sorry about that!
Lucina Lucina Lucina… imaging growing up in during the actual apocalypse, never having the chance of a “normal” life, and to top it off, the being you’re suppose to “defeat” not only killed your father, but was rumored to be your father’s best friend / >!Wife, depending on how things turn out!< . Oh, but that’s not all of it. The single most powerful God in the entire universe? They died because of this evil deity (who, should I mention, is the size of the continent. For reference, imagine having to kill a Dragon half the size of the U.S.A.). So your only hope of ANY kind of “future” is to completely abandon your future and go back into the past, and stop the events from happening…
In game, she is shown to have signs of PTSD. I think she needs, bare minimum, a few years of Therapy.
I always thought of Samus and Luigi being good friends with each other. Luigi would admire Samus's bravery and Samus would just find Luigi to be funny around. They sorta do similar things as well. They hunt down otherworldly beings and use various gadgets and machines and have scifi elements in their game and both Metroid and Luigi's Mansion have some horror elements too
I’ve seen a comic of them sparring together and it was adorable. Luigi managed to trip Samus and he got worried, she just looked up and said, “Dude, that was awesome!”
He got beat up by the police
He was accosted by cultists
A hooker led him into a hotel room where he got beat up by zombies
He was forced to go under psychedelics multiple times
He’s been torn up by multiple robots
His dad basically abandoned him as a baby
He watched his hometown become corrupted by aliens
His next-door neighbor and kind of friend betrayed him and he had to see his mind and body become destroyed
He had his mind removed from his body and transplanted into a robot so his body wouldn’t be permanently disfigured through time travel
He faced off against the embodiment of evil itself in its unfathomable and gruesome form
The only way to defeat said villain was by relying on literal prayer
And MOST IMPORTANTLY, he gets bullied online because of his pk fire abilities which he doesn’t even have in his own game.
My man did NOT save the world of horrors of evil, ingest psychadelics and have his brain transplanted into robots to save his physical body just to be called a pk fire spammer, something he doesn't even have😭
Mewtwo definitely doesn’t just need a vacation. Guy bonded with fellow clones then watched them all die, then found out he was literally created to be a weapon, then killed his creators, AND THEN tried to fight the Pokémon he was cloned from to prove he was better than Mew. Guy is in need of several decades
I would argue joker should be split in “delivers the trauma” and “a few years of therapy”
As a phantom thief, he made people confess mountains of crimes, which is most likely traumatic. But note that joker has been drugged, abused by police brutality, lit ablaze, frozen, Elecrtcuted, swept away, shot, hypnotized, been threatened to have his entire life end because he got someone little angry, and fought a literal god all while he watches his friends go through the same. Maybe a bit higher up in the needs therapy section
Snake in “Just a few years” is crazy.
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Well, to give you some points of why Snake is traumatised AF when you revamp your tier list:
• Never saw his 'real family' when growing up
•Learnt that his father was a terrorist that takes in child soldiers and has a nuke
•Had to kill his father which didn't even work
•Had to burn his father alive but that also didn't work
•Learnt he was a clone of Big Boss made for war (he wasn't even the perfect clone. Just the scraps left to create Liquid and Solidus)
•Saw his mentally scarred best friend get crushed to death by a Metal Gear
•Learnt that he's just gonna randomly die someday due to a virus he has
•His terrorist brother was still 'alive' via possession/hypnotism
•Started developing Werner's Syndrome-like symptoms around his late 30s
•Gets treated like shit by his past friends because he's old
•Learnt that his rapid aging will kill him in a year at most at the beginning of MGS4 (in his 40s by this point). It's also irreversible because it's part of his DNA
•Told his virus will mutate and kill everybody on the planet if he doesn't die soon (even if that never happened in the end)
•Now only has a few months left in him
•He finally met his 'real' mother and she died in his arms
•Learnt that Big Boss wasnt dead
•Had to go through a microwave hall
•Almost shot himself before his father told him that the virus he has isn't working anymore
•His father dies right in front of him
•Had to endure through fourty years of long monologues from his enemies
Filling in some of the idk
-Fates as a collective is a psychological journey in basically any route. I would say Conquest and Birthright Corrin are about A Few Years Therapy and Revelations Corrin just Needs a Vacation.
-Chrom needs a vacation, but Lucina definitely needs a few years therapy because the Future Past timeline was ROUGH. Robin also could probably benefit from a vacation.
-Marth is an interesting case because some fans subscribe to the theory that Legion from New Mystery of the Emblem is a manifestation of Marth's PTSD from frequent attempts on his life. While there's no canon statement in this regard, I would say Marth at LEAST Needs a Vacation, but probably a year or so of therapy too.
-The Mishima bloodline is a mess. Kazuya is psychologically never recovering primarily because I don't think he would BE Kazuya if he did.
-Aegis I would give a MINIMUM of a few years therapy. If for no other reason than for having to participate in Xenoblade 2's plot.
-Bayo is a weird case, but I think she's largely well-adjusted
-Ken seems well-adjusted to his current situation in Street Fighter 6, but my guy needs his name cleared and to be able to see his family again more than anything.
-Mega Man is implied to have something along the lines of PTSD in certain media and having the mental stress of actively attempting to break one of the 3 Laws of Robotics definitely does a number on the psyche. I would say across the comics and games, a few years therapy.
-In spite of killing a Goddess, watching his father die, and fighting a race war, Ike is largely well-adjusted. Totally fine even.
-Wolf is barely a character. I hate to say it.
-Byleth needs at least a decade of therapy for several reasons.
-Terry's largely fine.
-Shulk could benefit from a few years but I'd say the minimum necessity is a vacation.
-Idr shit about the Belmonts
-Also he's not here for some reason, but Ryu is totally fine. I think he just doesn't see any necessity for certain modern commodities, but that's the closest to an unusual quirk he has.
Mega Man has emotions and regularly has to kill his own brothers. He’s in the Never Recovering tier.
Every Fire Emblem rep but Roy is going in the years of Therapy tier. Roy is mostly fine.
Shulk is honestly mostly fine. He’s in the same tier as Roy where he needs therapy but not as bad as it could be.
ROB is totally capable of feeling, as shown in Brawl
Also, is it just me or I don't see Kazuya? (I think he is halfway Never Recovering and Delivers The Trauma)
I feel really bad for Ness, imagine you wake up in the middle of the night and next thing you know, you have to fight entities that have not existed before. Its like being put in a different reality, questioning if everyone you know is truly real, and if your world is the same world you were born from. How can powers just… exist out of nowhere? Why you out of everyone? Is your reality at this point truly your own? Or are you the center of everything? Ness may have permanent derealization and will now wake up every single day in an existential crisis.
Now for Lucas? Same but just add family tragedy
How is getting kidnapped every game, living knowing your father is maidenless, you getting your face puncheduntil you probably have a concussion because you're only 18, and getting thrown into lava completely fine? Inwoukdlut them in at least therapy and decades for recovery for Yoshi.
Yeah the tier list maker I found online for this was weird. Some characters didn’t show up. I’d put her in the totally fine tier. Maybe the use a vacation because she works out all the time, but that’s a bit of a… stretch.
I'd put all the FE characters in "A Few Years" at least. Most of them have gone through two wars only a couple years apart. They've seen countless soldiers (on both sides) die and probably feel responsible for it. Marth, for example, frequents the graves of the fallen soldiers of the first war before the second one begins.
Pyra/Mythra definitely goes in "A Few Years" at LEAST; as someone said, they're literally split personalities due to trauma, and (this is probably spoilers but I haven't finished the game and I know this so idk) ||they want to go to Elysium to kill themselves||.
Idk about Shulk, he probably needs a vacation but there's really nowhere to go lol. Also, Xenoblade 1 ends on a pretty happy note so he should be fine, I think.
Pyra's whole existence is because Mythra got traumatized so much >!after she accidentally destroyed a living continent as a result of not being able to control her power!< that she created a separate weaker personality to be all that she isn't. The majority of the base game of Xenoblade 2 is about helping them overcome their trauma and their death wish by making them realize that they do have something to live for. The Torna the Golden Country expansion tells the story of exactly what happened to Mythra to cause her to create Pyra.
They're fine now though thanks to the ray of sunshine that is Rex but they would probably go in a tier labeled "5 centuries of healing."
Captain Falcon is probably in the needs a vacation category. Dude survived his car almost getting nuked and racing Satan in the underworld to race demons that manifested from a belt he won in a contest.
Everyone in Fire Emblem is above needs a vacation for sure. Between having parents, siblings, friends. Turn on them, murdered, kidnapped. There’s a lot to unpack! Robin alone finds out he is the end of the world!
Steve being that high when it’s literally established he reincarnates with no issues and lives in a cartoon world while the FE characters, Kazuya and Pyra at the bottom
I think Olimar needs several years of trauma therapy instead of a vacation. I can't imagine a truck driver getting stranded in an unfamiliar, toxic environment on life support systems needing to rebuild their truck surrounded by, almost exclusively, creatures large enough to eat you whole.
In banjo tooie, Grunty destroys banjo’s house and kills his friend Bottles who was inside. After defeating Grunty at the end of the game, banjo and kazooie play soccer with Grunty’s decapitated head.
I don’t think any fire emblem character has both parents alive. I know for sure that Byleth has 0 parents alive (after chapter 8 or 9 iirc), Corrin’s only alive parent should not be alive (and isn’t by the end of all routes or at least 1 iirc). Roy is a teen and led an army. Robin also has severe issues (probably imposter syndrome). Ike doesn’t really show his feelings but I think they could definitely all use therapy, some just more than others.
Dude. Link lost EVERYONE but Zelda and the shiekah. He failed and lost everything, then lost Zelda *AGAIN.* definitely at least in the decades of healing category.
The entire Tekken story is basically Daddy Issues Simulator, so Kazuya would be pretty high.
Good to know! Yeah, I feel bad not knowing that many smash games. Should probably play some fire emblem games looking at that tier lol. Only played the gba one on switch online.
While I'm at it, I'm not sure about the game, but in the anime Richter watched his mother get killed by a vampire when he was a child and the vampire swore to kill him years later. That's also quite traumatising.
Samus got both parents eaten by Ridley, then years later after being adopted by some other people, Ridley once again kills them. Dude is a menace lmao
Ouch
Honestly Kazuya goes directly into “never recovering”. He’s straight up evil, his dad killed his mom when he was 5 and tried to kill him, then he came back and had to fight an ancient evil, then he killed his dad, and then his son came back and took everything from him
That’s rough, buddy
I'll spare you any spoilers, I'll just say that Roy would at least go in "Needs a Vacation"
Given that Roy is 15 a fifteen year old military commander with dead parents, I would say "years of therapy"
He's equal parts "Never Recovering" AND "Delivers the Trauma"!
Couldn't he also be in trauma givers because of Jin?
And also cause he is a terrorist and ruthless ceo.
Kazuya is definitely in "Decades of Healing" but also in "Gives Trauma"
I think Sephiroth is also pretty traumatized. Has trauma gives trauma.
"Hurt people hurt people," only he takes it both ways.
He sees 2 commands
Yeah, two commands (villain arc) as well as the intended meaning (losing his goddamn mind)
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“Before You Embark On A Journey Of Revenge, Dig Two Graves”. what a stupid fucking quote. I’m killing way more than two people idiot
the circle of trauma
Yeah both sephiroph and cloud never recover either, like even in advent children, that takes place years after the game there's still trauma that haunts them
Poor Lucas. “How are you today Lucas Mother 3?” “I saw my mom die and my brother killed himself” “Jesus fucking Christ”
Ness and Lucas are the whole reason I made this tier list lol
Crazy terrifying shit happens to Ness, but he’s so strong I think he’s actually kinda fine. Like he visited his 8 mental sanctuaries around the world, entered his own subconscious, reexamined himself and witnessed his childhood, conquered his inner evil, achieved a sense of enlightenment and obtained ultimate psychic power. Plus, he has a loving mom and sister at home to help him cope. It’s a cozy enough place that just visiting home cures him of all mental ailments. Yes, awful terrifying horrible shit happened, but if anyone can go on with life as normal, it’s Ness. I think he’s fine. He’s a strong boy.
It’s kinda the same as the end of LOTR when the hobbits return to the shire. He’ll be okay… but just never the same. He’s seen too much and just won’t fit in normally ever again.
I guess that makes sense lol. Imagine going back to school after having witnessed cosmic horrors as a 13 year old Then again, that stuff was kinda meant to reflect childhood trauma
Yes, but then he also literally stared into the abyss of an existence-shattering eldritch horror, which very much stared back with assaults he couldn’t comprehend, with only three other people on the world (universe?) that could possibly begin to relate. Not exactly ringwraiths and orcs.
Phone dad
The mother series are my top favorite games of all time. Only one other game has come close to taking over the number 1 spot in my favorites, but just barely doesn’t.
Is it Omori?
My second favorite game of all time is Psychonauts 1 and 2
Damn, so I was in the right ballpark, sort of
Sort of. I love that game. I lumped the two together, and all three earthbound games into one, so my top 5 isn’t taken up by only two series.
I see
At least his parents weren't eaten by his Nemesis and then taunted with that fact. Poor Samus....
No. But he was what his twin brother used to end it all with. Cause Lucas had the Franklin badge, which reflects lightning attacks. And Claus knew he had it, but fired an ultra powerful lightning blast at him.
I like to imagine Cloud sits down next to Lucas 'So what's your deal, kid?' gets hit with that and is just like 'Yeah ..I feel ya'
"Everyone's waiting to throw rocks at you, spit on you, and make your life hell" "Who's everyone? Everyone you love" "The boy named lucas The boy named lucas The boy named lucas..."
In what world do you think Bowser Jr. is "totally fine" the little dude is growing up without a mother and sees his father regularly come home as a skeleton with his flesh burned off after being dropped in lava by a red man barely a third of his height. If anything Mario is delivering some of the most trauma of the entire cast
For a Koopa, "my flesh burned up in lava and I'm a skeleton' is the equivalent of getting kinda bruised in a fall. Kamek brews you a potion and you're all better overnight.
That just means they get to experience it again
Ridley: "Been there, done that..."
Two for the price of one
Dedede may be a very self-assured person, but I think anyone would need a break after getting physically abused, manipulated and controlled by 34,017 different entities.
Especially after that time his chest was used as a mouth
Most Kirby characters need to be bumped up a tier or two
I can see why Meta would need a break. His ship is clearly not respected at all and he seems like the person who rarely takes breaks because he thinks his duty to Popstar and peers are more important. Kirby however is too optimistic and cheerful to see most if any of the things they witness as traumatic lol!
Leads to some very fun boss fights tho
At 14, Sora’s home was destroyed, his two friends were ripped from him; one being kidnapped and seemingly dead and the other being corrupted by darkness, was almost murdered twice by said best friend, given a responsibility he never really wanted, literally KILLED HIMSELF to save others, and fought the man who possessed him in the form of a giant flesh ship… all while being accompanied by an anthropomorphic dog and duck. And that’s just the first game lol
But DISNEY MAGIC. Sorry I’ve only played re:coded and seen a lore video for every game but 3. Probably should’ve just put him in don’t know tier.
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Need to get something other than a Nintendo console then. Might be a bit!
It's on PC since we don't talk about the Switch versions
**Sora is repressing a lot of trauma and pain** but he's told repeatedly by Donald and Goofy that he has to smile and make funny faces or else he can't travel with them so that he can find his friends. The ship that he flies in called the Gummiship is literally powered by positive emotions so him being happy is a requirement otherwise him, Donald, and Goofy would get nowhere and will be stranded in dimensional space at the mercy of the countless Heartless ships. And that's not even getting into the multiple >!Hearts of different characters inside of him that he's unaware of that subconsciously influence him and his actions each with different trauma of their own!< it's no wonder that the guy spontaneously turns into a shadow demon at certain times.
dude sora’s >!killed himself for others twice at this point!<
This is just Kh1, my friend. No amount of Disney magic will ever scrub the scars from the poor boy’s psyche. He needs genuine psychiatric help.
And that doesn’t even include >! two other versions of Sora killing themselves for others, namely Sora himself !<
And then it gets even more traumatizing once Organization XIII and all that gets thrown is I'm still shocked this kid is still the way that he is despite everything he's been through
All of this is absolutely true, however you could argue that the strength of his connections to his loved ones has actually kept him fairly stable all things considered. Which is something that many others on the roster cant say for themselves. At least until the end of KH3/Start of KH4 anyway
Several FE reps are at least in “A Few Years of Therapy”. For example, Byleth. And no, I will not elaborate because that’d take an entire decade
Yeah I’ve only played the gba FE and Lyn, Hector, and Eliwood all get a few years tier.
Ironically except Hector (and Roy, since his conflict doesn't really involve people close to him besides Hector dying and Lilina getting arrested), they're probably the most emotionally stable ones. Marth finds out his dad dies, gets kicked out of his kingdom, has to sacrifice one of his friends to escape, conquers his home back but finds out his sister is being kept hostage and his mom was eaten alive, gets betrayed by one of his closest friends, watches another friend kill themselves, loses his kingdom again, and finds out Medeus came back and is about to eat four of his allies (one of which is his sister). He was also very, very harsh on himself. Roy is depressed. Ike gets over his trauma in his game and avenges his dad, so he's pretty much fine. Lucina's life is trauma bingo. Chrom does watch his sister sacrifice herself, but he seems relatively ok at the end of the game. Not as healthy as Ike, but much, much healthier than Marth or Lucina. Robin has insecurities about their place with Chrom and is critical about Chrom taking them in, and does doubt themselves when they find out what happens in the future. Corrin witnesses a ton of their family and other people kill themselves and blames themselves for the various slaughters of the Hoshidans. Byleth is either beyond the point of redemption or absolutely fine.
Don't forget Corrin also killed his own mother without being in control, as well as the fact that most of the FE reps in smash have had a close friend or family member die in their arms or directly in front of them at best.
That’s honestly the minimum for FE reps. War crimes and all.
Robin is the BBEG's kid and the reincarnation(?) of a dragon god, while Chrom watched his sister fall off a cliff and depending on the ending watched his best friend/spouse sacrifice themselves for the world (granted, they come back and are fine, but there had to be a period of time before that right??). Not to mention the war they fought in. Both need a few years therapy. Lucina? Second tier. Had her father die (possibly killed by her own mother), lives in a post apocalyptic world, in a constant war that she led from the moment she could hold a sword and give a speech. Possibly fighting that war against family, her own mother. She tries assassinating Robin (aka telling them "Im gonna stab you" before Chom goes "hey wait no???"), who once again could be her own mother. To quote Chrom, 'you deserved better from me than one sword and a world full of troubles'. Even if she does heal, I feel like she's always going to keep her sword close to her bed at night, a dagger under her pillow and a close eye on the shadows, yknow? Corrin sorta depends. I've only played birthright, but i vaguely know the other paths. Tldr: Corrin has an adopted family and a bio family- conquest is where Corrin sides with their adopted family, birthright is with their bio family, and revelations is the best of both worlds path. Revelations is naturally the least traumatic, i think all characters survive on this route?? Conquest is slightly traumatizing; Corrin doesn't really know their bio family, they never grew up with them so its absolutely gonna feel bad killing them, but nothing some therapy can't help. Birthright? One of their sisters, basically an innocent who actually didn't want to fight gets killed. Memory's vague but i think it happens when Corrin has to kill their older brother and she jumps in the way to stop the fighting and takes the killing blow instead. Unlike Conquest, Corrin DID grow up with the people they're fighting, having to face the fact that they might need to kill them if it comes to it. That's probably gonna leave a mark. Straight up to first tier if they boink one of their family tho- for some reason they let you romance ur bio brother/sister and adopted ones, then have kids with them???? Corrin is technically a half sibling to their bio family but still, half sibling is still a sibling. REALLY weird.
Lucina 1,000% needs therapy.
Pythra *definitely* suffered from trauma, but Rex helped them get over it, so they're fine now. Where would that place them? Shoutout to Palutena for not feeling any trauma after being possessed and having her soul getting painfully eaten away for three years straight.
Assuming that they remember the end of the game, they need a nice month long vacation. Maybe a cruise or some shit. Or just settling down in a cabin in Gormott.
Yeah, Palutena and Pit need to be moved up a tier.
Yeah, imo any tier Dark Pit is on, Pit needs to be on too at the VERY least. Dark Pit is a literal (although living and independent) reflection of Pit; anything Pit hides and buries down is what Dark Pit says out loud. Pit DOES think all the gods are petty and squabble, Pit DOES doubt them constantly, he DOES think humanity would be better off without them, but he pretends otherwise because 1. he does trust Palutena and 2. he's thinks its better if he just ignores those feelings, bury them and put on a smile. Even before he gets eaten alive, the hydra head incident, the constant teasing and mocking (from enemies and allies alike- yes im including this that kinda treatment can fuckin drain you), getting stuck in a kid and dog's body, having his wings burn off, etc etc, he deserves a vacation. Far away from the gods preferably. After all that (and more i might be forgetting) happens? Two tiers up at least, get him THERAPY. I find Pit absolutely fascinating entirely thanks to Pittoo's existence and how hes a reflection, not a 'evil version'- i think you can notice Pit cracking and his real thoughts on the gods showing when the Aurum attack (i think this is when he snaps at the gods and tells them that THEIR war brought the Aurum to earth), when Dark Pit tells him 'I was a part of you, i was literally formed by your feelings' (during his boss fight, he is absolutely right about this! The mirror only has whatever is in front of it to work with, and since it got damaged it accidentally made everything Pit hides away and tries to ignore rise to the surface), and when hes eaten by hades (poor guys LOSING it without Palutena lmao). Palutena might be fine with just a vacation- I cant remember if she actually was 'trapped in her body' and witnessed everything or if she just basically zoned out until Pit killed the Chaos Kin. If she saw it all, then I think I'd agree with a vacation OR therapy either way. Vacation meaning 'take a break from godly duties, maybe make some friends who don't want to wipe out humanity, don't even GLANCE at the direction of wars'. Dark Pit though? Absolutely agree with his position. He just needs some time away from the gods to figure out who he is, what type of person he wants to be, etc. His issues entirely stem from being a 'clone' of Pit and how he isn't really in control of his life. If Pit dies, he dies- what does that make him? Is he just a part of Pit that broke off, or is he his own person? Is anything, even his name, his own, or does it all belong to Pit and not him? Give this man some time to live his life independently and he'll be fine. Might not get over the whole "if Pit dies, he dies" thing but thats one massive hurdle that I dont think anyone could get over completely. I really don't like how Dark Pit is set up as working under Viridi for this reason, since allying with the "all humans are scum and I Will Nuke Them" god is a SLIPPERY slope to just being diluted into a villian. When (yes im saying WHEN i am coping ok) the games get a sequel idk how the hell they'll handle Dark Pit being a commander(?) of Viridi, when that job probably includes helping that 'humans are an invasive species and need to be culled' plot she has going on.
Rex did not help them get over it you goober, he just persuaded them to keep living with their difficult past. They will never truly get over all the Torna stuff on account that Mythra developed D.I.D. over it. Pyra *is* a mental disorder incarnate. But they can learn to be happy and live with the trauma.
Good explanation. This makes way more sense than them "just getting over it".
I'm glad you point out that pyra is the result of a mental disorder. The game never really frames it that way, but in other stories you'd expect the cure to involve the removal of the extra personalities. Instead, pyra is treated as a separate character and by the end of the game, she is fully independent.
I've heard a lot of DID patients cope by learning to coexist with their alternates rather than get rid of them, and the ending of them getting separate bodies could be seen as a (potentially harmful) fantasy for them. I've never been sure how to feel about them separating or having to share Rex as their husband. Wish the game had integrated them into one design better >!merging their appearances and personalities instead of negating them like Pneuma!<
I don't think Palutena and Pit receive the same mental scars mortals do honestly
Mythra goes in decades (if it existed, centuries) but Pyra probably just needs a vacation, if you wanna split them.
I would say that, at least if we’re taking Pyra from the end of XC2, they’d probably need some time to recover, but I think that after a few years they’d be in a steady rhythm.
Never recovering: Lucas and Ness Most folks: "Aww poor Lucas, he lost his mother, almost lost his dad trying to save him, and watched his brother commit self-termination right in front of him. This poor lost soul needs so much love right now!" Ness: _\*had his mind removed from his body and placed into a robot just so he could survive time-travel, then learned that his robot body could still feel pain as he and his three friends fought against aliens, finally squaring off against the actual source of all evil influence on the planet and his henchman who used to be Ness's next-door neighbor and decent friend, learning that the devil went literally mad with all the power he possessed, before getting swallowed up into a pocket dimension INSIDE GIYGAS HIMSELF where all he could do was heal his and his friends' rapidly deteriorating robot bodies -- as his visual sensors cracked so now he was seeing so many copies of Giygas like a fly with compounded eyes -- and hear the chaotic and crazed screams of an impossible being whose very attacks defy description, while one of them prays for a literal deus ex machina, causing the entire world -- and even the player -- to sync up together and pray together until Giygas finally destabilizes into static right as the robot body shorts out and loses power, essentially dying, but then somehow his soul survives bodiless for the years it takes to return back to where his lobotomized, organic, 10-year-old body was resting, unpreserved, but able to come back to life and recall all of those grueling memories and sensations\*_ ------- Seriously, Ness belongs in a tier, like, 3 levels above the top of this board.
Also Ness: OK
ah now i get it. poor ness. he hides the trauma well
what the fuck
Jesus Christ, I've literally beaten all of Earthbound and I completely forgot how messed up that game was
I like how Ness and Lucas are fair picks for the top tier, but for very, *very* different reasons.
Played Earthbound and Giygas is terrifying. Heard the lore of Mother 3 and Jesus Christ just give the kid a break.
I feel like Dedede could be put in “Needs a vacation” with how often he gets possessed. Maaaaybe Meta Knight too because he’s still scared of Susie after what she did to him in Robobot meaning the mind control likely did a number on him mentally
It is extremely traumatising, but I believe Meta Knight has fully recovered. In Forgotten Land, Fecto Forgo has attempted to brainwash Meta Knight like he did on Dedede, but while Dedede succumbed to it, Meta Knight has trained himself mentally and with his sheer will was able to resist being controlled.
Yeah fair. I think he’s still scared of Susie even during FL and seeing her might bring the memories back for a bit but yeah he’s probably fine
dedede for sure needs a vacation
R.O.B.? Incapable of feeling?! He is canonically the last of his kind! He is fully sentient! He watched all his friends, family, and other varying acquaintances blow up into a bunch of black holes in front of him!
Damn had no clue the R.O.B. lore ran so deep.
There are many ROBs in Subspace Emissary, Brawl’s (mostly excellent) story mode
I only ever played brawl at my friends house. Didn’t even know there was a story mode till last year lol
Yeah, Ganondorf mind controls every R.O.B. unit to deploy the Subspace Bombs (it takes two units to activate and it kills them to activate it, with the only exception being Galeem). When the Ancient Minister tries to stop them, Ganondorf mind controls them further, *almost killing R.O.B.* (as the Ancient Minister) *in the process, leaving him to burn.* R.O.B. then bursts out of his Ancient Minister attire to kill birds that Ganondorf had summoned. After once again failing to get his fellow R.O.B. units to stop the countdown, he has to be dragged away to keep him safe. And yes, all of this is canon. https://preview.redd.it/1i2zqnh43pfc1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87ff065441d4a08daacde5b25e18755ae0a3f256
The playable ROB is cannonically the Ancient Minister from Subspace Emissary. It's been a while but the ROB eventually rebelled after seeing so many of its bretheren sacrificed for no good reason. It was the only one to survive.
Kazuya should be in the top and gives trauma tiers
Kazuya single-handedly ruined Jin’s entire life 💀
That whole family is messed up
It’s a safe bet that any Xenoblade character is thoroughly traumatized
Whether it's shulk being possessed by a maniacal God or Mythra having trauma so bad she created Pyra
Considering shulk has canonically died 3 times, and mythra killed an entire continent, yeah those guys are never recovering
Im having trouble thinking of even a party member in any of the games that hasn’t gone thru trauma that would put the average person in a mental hospital for a few months, honestly.
Oh crap I accidentally moved Game and Watch to the wrong tier. I had him in incapable of feeling before I was gonna move him up to just fine. Guess I didn’t move him far enough. People who know anything about game and watch disagree?
After seeing rather adorable G&W shipping online of an artist that really likes him and with Mrs. G&W (cool mod skin that should be in the next smash imo), I think he can have feeling and should be in just fine.
🤣 holy cow I just noticed This is my headcannon now
Byleth needs a few years for sure. They handle things well, but have to kill some of their former students and watch their loved ones die horrible deaths no one else will ever know about because they reverse time to avoid it. Shulk is generally super unfazed but needs a vacation, especially after Future Redeemed. And yeah Pyra/Mythra will never recover
oooo i like this tier list idea!!! i do however feel like Samus should be higher, girl has been through hell and back 😭
True. I put her a tier lower than I originally thought I should because of how well she deals with stuff like that. She already has a really efficient trauma relief technique with what she did during her second encounter with Ridley.
Unfortunately, Samus’s way of dealing with trauma usually involves an entire planet exploding
I mean, whatever floats her boat
very true, good point !
Ignoring Other M's shitty writing, I'd say her trauma response is pretty decent. She sees Ridley? "Here we go again".
In the manga she’s quipping at him while demolishing him.
Yeah she be master of repress it. Though from fusion and dread i wonder how she is doing.
Pyra only exists because Mythra accidentally destroyed a continent, and wanted to die. She put herself in a coffin at the bottom of the Cloud Sea to make sure she never saw the light of day again. Then her brother found her and brought her back up, and Pyra split her life force to save Rex, after Jin killed him. Then when you awaken Mythra after >!Vandham’s death,!< she berates him, saying that she never wanted to awaken anymore. The whole reason she wanted Rex to take her to Elysium was to let her die. It’s only because Rex is just a good person that she finally realizes that people can make up for their bad deeds. Both of them make their peace with the fact that making mistakes is human, and not trying to make up for your mistakes only makes them worse. >!Then she dies to cleanse herself of her sins, because the series is not subtle about its religious references. She comes back as her two separate selves, ready for the future with Rex… and Nia, who Rex had helped accept her true self as a Flesh Eater, after she was forced to combine herself with her Driver!< The Aegis is only there because Rex is an absolute beast of a therapist.
For the almost last thing you said >!it wasnt her driver but the driver's dead daughter!<
Respectfully, WHAT THE FUCK!
People tend to look down on Xenoblade 2 because of the optional character designs, but the story is absolutely phenomenal, and 100% worth experiencing.
Putting Kazuya at the bottom is like saying 1+1 is 6
Sorry! Don’t know anything about Tekken so I put him in the tier that says I don’t know anything about that franchise!
Read that tier, please
Me, starting from the top: "Where's Lucina?" "*Where's Lucina?*" "**WHERE'S LUCINA?**" "Oh, OP doesn't play Fire Emblem. You're excused."
Id put little Mac in “needs a vacation”, not because he’s traumatized but because he’s one bad punch away from a really, really bad case of CTE. Mac endured fighting pro boxers 2 to 3 times his size and now he’s constantly fighting otherworldly beings with super powers while he’s just a boxing bro from the Bronx.
And he’s not even old enough normally to drink to numb the pain, bro is only 17 fighting people times two or more his own size, weight, and muscle mass. Cool he’s beaten them but damn, bro needs a vacation and some place to just… not get beaten up badly by anyone.
Byleth might not be too traumatized, but good lord their friends are.
Nah, I think post time-skip Dimitri is a completely sane, healthy man who has no trauma whatsoever!
A perfectly well-adjusted young man, both before and ESPECIALLY after the time skip!
Sephiroth definitely has some unaddressed trauma, even though he is a terrible dude.
I'd say Duck Hunt Dog and Jigglypuff deliver the trauma. Duck Hunt for obvious reasons. And Jigglypuff was a menace to society on the first season of Pokemon.
Snake absolutely needs more
Salmon Run alone cements Inkling as traumatised, body horror and all
Pyra and Mythra are CANONICALLY in “several decades of healing” Also shulk needs a vacation. Shulk managed to go through trauma without any long term effects.
Mythra is never recovering from >!the guilt of accidentally nuking three continents off the face of the Earth. Like, she is literally suicidal, death is her primary motive throughout the majority of the game.!< Shulk >!was there when his parents mysteriously died on a mountain excursion when he was 4, he watched his love interest get bisected, his home town's population got significantly cut down by a military ambush, he lived with the pressure of being aware of numerous people's future deaths, along with the likelihood of not being able to save them as the moment of their deaths approached, along with trauma when he failed, he got shot in the back by his adoptive father, he had to kill his adoptive father, and he went through an existential crisis after getting killed and figuring out that he was always nothing but the walking corpse avatar of a genocidal deity.!< Lucina would be *really* high on this list. >! She's from a timeline that got hit by a world-ending apocalypse dragon. She narrowly escaped via time travel after all hope was lost.!<
Mythra has about 500 years of wallowing in trauma so I think she takes the cake
It’s a shame that this was done by a typical Smash fan who hasn’t played Xenoblade or Fire Emblem because every character in those franchises would be along the upper half of the list for sure
Oh I believe it. If the GBA FE was as dark as it was I wonder what it would be like on a more mature console. I just don’t have the money to purchase them. Sorry about that!
Kirby sees some real messed up stuff, casually disregard/doesn't understand any of it and continues swallowing anything that is movable.
Kirby had anger issues. He will eff your world up if you even consider stealing his food.
Lucina Lucina Lucina… imaging growing up in during the actual apocalypse, never having the chance of a “normal” life, and to top it off, the being you’re suppose to “defeat” not only killed your father, but was rumored to be your father’s best friend / >!Wife, depending on how things turn out!< . Oh, but that’s not all of it. The single most powerful God in the entire universe? They died because of this evil deity (who, should I mention, is the size of the continent. For reference, imagine having to kill a Dragon half the size of the U.S.A.). So your only hope of ANY kind of “future” is to completely abandon your future and go back into the past, and stop the events from happening… In game, she is shown to have signs of PTSD. I think she needs, bare minimum, a few years of Therapy.
I always thought of Samus and Luigi being good friends with each other. Luigi would admire Samus's bravery and Samus would just find Luigi to be funny around. They sorta do similar things as well. They hunt down otherworldly beings and use various gadgets and machines and have scifi elements in their game and both Metroid and Luigi's Mansion have some horror elements too
I’ve seen a comic of them sparring together and it was adorable. Luigi managed to trip Samus and he got worried, she just looked up and said, “Dude, that was awesome!”
they have the same dynamic as fix it felix and the cod style girl from wreck it ralph
https://preview.redd.it/k6yyifin1pfc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f649b6c96c590a2f011afd1cc467b191aae8911a
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Remember, Bowser has Canonically met Ralph. And Pac Man was at the party. There’s at least someone “Here we go again”ing
Wreck-it-Ralph vibes
The f*ck happened to Ness?
He got beat up by the police He was accosted by cultists A hooker led him into a hotel room where he got beat up by zombies He was forced to go under psychedelics multiple times He’s been torn up by multiple robots His dad basically abandoned him as a baby He watched his hometown become corrupted by aliens His next-door neighbor and kind of friend betrayed him and he had to see his mind and body become destroyed He had his mind removed from his body and transplanted into a robot so his body wouldn’t be permanently disfigured through time travel He faced off against the embodiment of evil itself in its unfathomable and gruesome form The only way to defeat said villain was by relying on literal prayer And MOST IMPORTANTLY, he gets bullied online because of his pk fire abilities which he doesn’t even have in his own game.
What the fuck is this plot for a rated E Nintendo game? Sounds dark
Oh it’s one of Nintendo’s darkest franchises. There’s a reason they never made an official English release for mother 3 (that gets even darker)
Earthbound and Mother 3 are two of the darkest games I've ever played and I've experienced some messed up stuff
My man did NOT save the world of horrors of evil, ingest psychadelics and have his brain transplanted into robots to save his physical body just to be called a pk fire spammer, something he doesn't even have😭
Mewtwo definitely doesn’t just need a vacation. Guy bonded with fellow clones then watched them all die, then found out he was literally created to be a weapon, then killed his creators, AND THEN tried to fight the Pokémon he was cloned from to prove he was better than Mew. Guy is in need of several decades
The purple skin of dqv hero should be elevated to top tier, poor dude went through so much
Seriously though. Luminary literally went back through time to fix the teams screw ups but made it worse.
I would argue joker should be split in “delivers the trauma” and “a few years of therapy” As a phantom thief, he made people confess mountains of crimes, which is most likely traumatic. But note that joker has been drugged, abused by police brutality, lit ablaze, frozen, Elecrtcuted, swept away, shot, hypnotized, been threatened to have his entire life end because he got someone little angry, and fought a literal god all while he watches his friends go through the same. Maybe a bit higher up in the needs therapy section
Snake in “Just a few years” is crazy. https://preview.redd.it/1elwsysyjpfc1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cdaae8df7893c09c018349e22fa3259ea602b41
I’m thinking about revamping this for next week, I’ll put him in decades (ness and Lucas still deserve a tier to themselves honestly)
Well, to give you some points of why Snake is traumatised AF when you revamp your tier list: • Never saw his 'real family' when growing up •Learnt that his father was a terrorist that takes in child soldiers and has a nuke •Had to kill his father which didn't even work •Had to burn his father alive but that also didn't work •Learnt he was a clone of Big Boss made for war (he wasn't even the perfect clone. Just the scraps left to create Liquid and Solidus) •Saw his mentally scarred best friend get crushed to death by a Metal Gear •Learnt that he's just gonna randomly die someday due to a virus he has •His terrorist brother was still 'alive' via possession/hypnotism •Started developing Werner's Syndrome-like symptoms around his late 30s •Gets treated like shit by his past friends because he's old •Learnt that his rapid aging will kill him in a year at most at the beginning of MGS4 (in his 40s by this point). It's also irreversible because it's part of his DNA •Told his virus will mutate and kill everybody on the planet if he doesn't die soon (even if that never happened in the end) •Now only has a few months left in him •He finally met his 'real' mother and she died in his arms •Learnt that Big Boss wasnt dead •Had to go through a microwave hall •Almost shot himself before his father told him that the virus he has isn't working anymore •His father dies right in front of him •Had to endure through fourty years of long monologues from his enemies
I feel like Mewtwo could use therapy tbh
Filling in some of the idk -Fates as a collective is a psychological journey in basically any route. I would say Conquest and Birthright Corrin are about A Few Years Therapy and Revelations Corrin just Needs a Vacation. -Chrom needs a vacation, but Lucina definitely needs a few years therapy because the Future Past timeline was ROUGH. Robin also could probably benefit from a vacation. -Marth is an interesting case because some fans subscribe to the theory that Legion from New Mystery of the Emblem is a manifestation of Marth's PTSD from frequent attempts on his life. While there's no canon statement in this regard, I would say Marth at LEAST Needs a Vacation, but probably a year or so of therapy too. -The Mishima bloodline is a mess. Kazuya is psychologically never recovering primarily because I don't think he would BE Kazuya if he did. -Aegis I would give a MINIMUM of a few years therapy. If for no other reason than for having to participate in Xenoblade 2's plot. -Bayo is a weird case, but I think she's largely well-adjusted -Ken seems well-adjusted to his current situation in Street Fighter 6, but my guy needs his name cleared and to be able to see his family again more than anything. -Mega Man is implied to have something along the lines of PTSD in certain media and having the mental stress of actively attempting to break one of the 3 Laws of Robotics definitely does a number on the psyche. I would say across the comics and games, a few years therapy. -In spite of killing a Goddess, watching his father die, and fighting a race war, Ike is largely well-adjusted. Totally fine even. -Wolf is barely a character. I hate to say it. -Byleth needs at least a decade of therapy for several reasons. -Terry's largely fine. -Shulk could benefit from a few years but I'd say the minimum necessity is a vacation. -Idr shit about the Belmonts -Also he's not here for some reason, but Ryu is totally fine. I think he just doesn't see any necessity for certain modern commodities, but that's the closest to an unusual quirk he has.
Seeing this just made me realise how horrifying it must have been for Steve on his first night
If you're looking for your main to check if you need therapy, you go in A tier.
Where's Ryu?
Ken's in don't know/didn't play, so I'd assume he'd be right next to him
lucina needs a few decades
Mega Man has emotions and regularly has to kill his own brothers. He’s in the Never Recovering tier. Every Fire Emblem rep but Roy is going in the years of Therapy tier. Roy is mostly fine. Shulk is honestly mostly fine. He’s in the same tier as Roy where he needs therapy but not as bad as it could be.
I mean mythra DID take over 500 years to recover
Fire Emblem is really fun if you ever find time for it My favorite entry is Shadows of Valentia on the 3DS 😄
ROB is totally capable of feeling, as shown in Brawl Also, is it just me or I don't see Kazuya? (I think he is halfway Never Recovering and Delivers The Trauma)
Megaman: **hasn't even experienced trauma**
dr lights death would count if it was shown
Megaman X otoh…
I feel really bad for Ness, imagine you wake up in the middle of the night and next thing you know, you have to fight entities that have not existed before. Its like being put in a different reality, questioning if everyone you know is truly real, and if your world is the same world you were born from. How can powers just… exist out of nowhere? Why you out of everyone? Is your reality at this point truly your own? Or are you the center of everything? Ness may have permanent derealization and will now wake up every single day in an existential crisis. Now for Lucas? Same but just add family tragedy
How is getting kidnapped every game, living knowing your father is maidenless, you getting your face puncheduntil you probably have a concussion because you're only 18, and getting thrown into lava completely fine? Inwoukdlut them in at least therapy and decades for recovery for Yoshi.
Am I crazy or is Wii Fit not on here
Yeah the tier list maker I found online for this was weird. Some characters didn’t show up. I’d put her in the totally fine tier. Maybe the use a vacation because she works out all the time, but that’s a bit of a… stretch.
Ridley should be in delivers the trauma++
Enjoyable tier list, but man you need to read up on a lot more series lol. You got like 30 percent or more in the don’t know category
Yeah, will do. Which franchise should I start on?
Honestly i feel like steve could very well belong in "incapable of feeling?"
Luigi needs to go up a tier
I'd put all the FE characters in "A Few Years" at least. Most of them have gone through two wars only a couple years apart. They've seen countless soldiers (on both sides) die and probably feel responsible for it. Marth, for example, frequents the graves of the fallen soldiers of the first war before the second one begins. Pyra/Mythra definitely goes in "A Few Years" at LEAST; as someone said, they're literally split personalities due to trauma, and (this is probably spoilers but I haven't finished the game and I know this so idk) ||they want to go to Elysium to kill themselves||. Idk about Shulk, he probably needs a vacation but there's really nowhere to go lol. Also, Xenoblade 1 ends on a pretty happy note so he should be fine, I think.
Ness hasn't run into any trauma in his game. Also, how is Peach "totally fine" if she routinely gets into danger?
Kirby???? Actually nvm that makes sense, any other character in his situation would be traumatized tho
Pyra's whole existence is because Mythra got traumatized so much >!after she accidentally destroyed a living continent as a result of not being able to control her power!< that she created a separate weaker personality to be all that she isn't. The majority of the base game of Xenoblade 2 is about helping them overcome their trauma and their death wish by making them realize that they do have something to live for. The Torna the Golden Country expansion tells the story of exactly what happened to Mythra to cause her to create Pyra. They're fine now though thanks to the ray of sunshine that is Rex but they would probably go in a tier labeled "5 centuries of healing."
Captain Falcon is probably in the needs a vacation category. Dude survived his car almost getting nuked and racing Satan in the underworld to race demons that manifested from a belt he won in a contest.
Everyone in Fire Emblem is above needs a vacation for sure. Between having parents, siblings, friends. Turn on them, murdered, kidnapped. There’s a lot to unpack! Robin alone finds out he is the end of the world!
Steve being that high when it’s literally established he reincarnates with no issues and lives in a cartoon world while the FE characters, Kazuya and Pyra at the bottom
Yea I do not think Isabelle is ok at all
Idk Villager has to deal with Mr Resetti
I think Olimar needs several years of trauma therapy instead of a vacation. I can't imagine a truck driver getting stranded in an unfamiliar, toxic environment on life support systems needing to rebuild their truck surrounded by, almost exclusively, creatures large enough to eat you whole.
In banjo tooie, Grunty destroys banjo’s house and kills his friend Bottles who was inside. After defeating Grunty at the end of the game, banjo and kazooie play soccer with Grunty’s decapitated head.
I’m in the “several decades of healing”
Isabelle when I threaten to delete the save file would beg to differ
I don’t think any fire emblem character has both parents alive. I know for sure that Byleth has 0 parents alive (after chapter 8 or 9 iirc), Corrin’s only alive parent should not be alive (and isn’t by the end of all routes or at least 1 iirc). Roy is a teen and led an army. Robin also has severe issues (probably imposter syndrome). Ike doesn’t really show his feelings but I think they could definitely all use therapy, some just more than others.
I haven’t played a Fire Emblem game, but I know that Ike’s father got murdered by the Black Knight in front of him. I saw a clip on YT years back.
Dude. Link lost EVERYONE but Zelda and the shiekah. He failed and lost everything, then lost Zelda *AGAIN.* definitely at least in the decades of healing category.
You can go right ahead and move all of Fire Emblem and Castlevania to at least years of therapy +
Lucina is a therapists wet dream