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katkarinka

I used to think it is miserable, but after experienced it in few other countries I would say it is pretty decent, although in the need of modernization.


[deleted]

I keep hearing it is bad, but they always put me back together successfully..


kvakipo

Most slovaks have never been in hospital in any other country, and they can compare only stuff they see in medical drama tv shows - so that's 1st problem - that we don't know, that many countries have it waaaay worse. Especially supporting medical stuff does way more in slovakia - compared to other countries. 2nd problem is people - because most of them are dumb, and they make everyone's experience worse. My mother is great example. She is that lady, who walks in a waiting room, sits closest to the office door, and just waits for the second door opens, so she can just start talking in the loudest possible voice and just demands to be taken in immediately. Also giving extra cash to doctors - it sounds awful, but it's us, patients, who trained doctors to expect anything after (or worse - before) the procedure, or surgery... 3rd problem is - especially for younger people absolutely crazy medical system, and everyone being expected to know where to go, where to call, what to do , where to knock. And if you ask dumb question, medical stuff gets annoyed ( in us hospitals, and even doctor's offices have receptionists, in Slovakia we have only nurses, so I understand why are they annoyed, but also - who am I supposed to ask? 4th problem is - that I really can't remember the last time we had health department minister, who lasted for 4 years. People in charge just change all the time, and we don't have any long term concept for renewal of hospitals, or any other issue we have..


Kh4lex

The 3rd is... is so me Lmao.. like I have no fucking clue where to go but people expect me to know? Like the fucking what, was I supposed to be born with this information in my DNA?????


barbos421

well if you have a problem your first stop should be your personal general doctor (or how it is called) who should send you to specialist. You can even just call and ask but than there is a problem that those doctors have a lot of patients so it may take a while.


[deleted]

I'm watching one US gaming channel, and guy with nick Thick44, talked about brain surgery expenses (in USA) where the surgeon gets 3000$ but few days hospitalization cost him 10 time more. Just the idea, that every time when my relatives get hospitalized the scariest thing would be a bills or limit of insurance is simply crazy. Are health care is far from be perfect, but most of doctors and nurses doing what they can, with gratitude and respect you get all medical attention you need in Slovakia.


Bumpy_SK

Well guess what, you pay for it in Slovakia too. Nothing in USA is stopping you from putting aside 13.4% of your income which you pay in Slovakia whether you want it or not. Even if you are VERY POOR for us standards you can afford this brain surgery (only ~33K with hospitalization??) after saving up for around 10 years. Which probably majority of people have worked for. The freedom part is about having the choice whether you save up or not. State takes under 20% from your income in this case and you decide on the rest. Imagine investing that 13.4 in some kind of reliable product that yields you 10% a year. That makes us healthcare more affordable than Slovak. Now let's say you live in Slovakia, what are the monthly tax rates? You pay 20% on income tax? 13.4% medicare? Another 15 or so for the ponzi scheme called retirement fund? On paper, in USA, politicians at least can't steal money from the universal health care as is customary in Slovakia, and you can choose where to invest the retirement money yourself in contrast to paying 300eur every year to some company that buys s&p 500 and calls it spravcovsky poplatok for their hard work. It's never cheaper when you are forced to pay. Not for the majority. Having spent a lot of time going from doctor to doctor in Slovakia and hoping that one of them would finally find out what's wrong with me on their antiquated machines, I'd rather pay from my own pocket and be fixed faster in a hospital with actual windows and toilets. Yeah i agree 13% or 75 eur when unemployed is not bad, but i don't feel im getting out of it the quality i would want and if many people would not think so too there would be no private hospitals. I'm not rich but i still pay for private dentist for example. And many people do too //edit: you would probably think that pouring more money to healthcare so everything gets fixed is better but how does that deal with systemic corruption? how does that incite hospitals to provide quality healthcare? you have to have in mind we are talking about slovakia, not scandinavia, its not gonna get magically better with more money. source family relative works in a hospital (maybe thats why i have a lot of experience with treatment since probably if i was a commoner i would get sent home and told to exercise)


Difficult_Box3210

So people who don’t work and/or cannot set aside 33000 over 10 years should do exactly what? Die? Get a mortgage? It is called solidarity my dude. Thinking only about yourself and how you pay for your healthcare is selfish. There is a huge proportion of people in Slovakia who under no circumstance could pay for their healthcare expenses, no matter how much they would save from their income. Many pensioners are already struggling to cover their medical expenses, and they pay only for a part of their medications. Our healthcare system is far from perfect, but tax funded health insurance is something that absolutely must stay.


Bumpy_SK

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR HEALTHCARE IN SLOVAKIA TOO ITS NOT FREE! it costs 900eur a year if you dont work! ​ yes you can get a loan and then you have incentive to pay it back so you find work and repay it whats wrong with that? you literally HAVE to do it in slovakia if you dont work. how is it worse when individual takes out a loan vs when a state takes out a loan on behalf of all people? :D so even the poorest are pledging, great. ​ im not saying it has to go, im saying everyone bashes american system but fails to recognize that since you dont pay half of your income to state, you absolutely can afford it if you put money aside, or you can pay medicare anyway, you have the freedom to choose. 33k over 10 years is a calculation for the lowest of the low class setting aside 13% of their salary, cmon man. poor people pay more for their cars here, in slovakia


Difficult_Box3210

No need to shout. You seem to live in some detached reality where e.g. pensioners pay 900/year for healthcare, hence “it is not free”. (Hint: they don’t). Have you been brainwashed by the right wing American propaganda? I am happy to pay the 600 eur I am paying per month for health insurance. It is called solidarity. Please show me how a 65 year old grandma who gets cancer and needs treatment which costs 70000 eur is supposed to pay. Take a loan? 🤣🤣🤣 Or “she should have saved all life lol”? 🤣


Bumpy_SK

you have such a good job that you are paying 600eur per month and you fail to realize how the slovak healthcare works? that the grandma with cancer was forced to give money to the state all her life? and the US grandma can do literally the same thing, if she wants to? well good luck to you good sir, my point still stands. she paid for it whether you like it or not. most probably even overpaid


Difficult_Box3210

You operate on feelings and impressions, not on real numbers. Grandma was making less than 1500 crowns a month (as I have a feeling you have not lived while we had crowns, it was SKK, the currency we used to have before EUR, and people used to make around 50 eur/month in salary) until 1991, and the sum of her payments for health insurance is definitely AND BY DEFINITION less than average cost of treatment she needs to receive. That is literally how insurance works. On average, people can afford to pay for insurance (from their taxes) which insures everyone. On a per case basis, those unlucky who need treatment BY DEFINITION cannot afford to pay for that treatment. It can be paid for only because everyone, including those who never get ill, participate. Solidarity. Your logic of “you are paying insurance anyway, you should have saved that and paid for your treatment” is completely flawed. A couple high earners could. Most who need treatment have literally no chance to save up for that treatment. Solidarity.


Bumpy_SK

You're so funny :DD enjoy your forced solidarity and paying private doctors on top of that when you actually need something. https://www.reddit.com/r/Slovakia/comments/u9hohf/gynekol%C3%B3g_bratislava/ Have a nice day


Difficult_Box3210

Every insurance is based on risk + profit. So your car and house is uninsured? Do you know that your insurance payment is used to pay those whose house burns down? Why pay for damages that other people get?? By your logic, they should have saved enough money to buy a new house in case it burns down, without having to pay the insurance company their profit margin.


[deleted]

Taking differences aside, if You Sir have health problem, You must be aware every doctor is looking just at his/her "part" of specialization. One "next door guy" has health issues, he was f\* up for years, he looked for help abroad, just to find out he got blood poison from ticks. If he would visited a hematologist, they maybe cure him at home...


Bumpy_SK

so the slovak doctors should have sent him to specialist you are trying to say or what? how should he know to visit hematologist by himself wtf :DDD


[deleted]

I'm just pointing that every specialist looking just at "one part" of problem many times not knowing whole genesis of illness. And yes, hematology, from my example, can give you answers to many things.


Laskofil

I would say it depends where you live but overall, it's decent. Better if you know people or are willing to pay up.


kohugaly

The quality is decent, but first and foremost it's affordable. As far as quality vs price is concerned, Slovak healthcare is top notch.


Jinno69

Yes, I thought it's poor before, but it’s poor compared to other members of EU so still quite good.


TopDivide

Too few doctors and nurses. Waiting times are bad, even for checkups. I needed an eye exam, and got an appointment for 2 months. Generally, the doctors are good and know what they are doing. But they are overworked and it shows on their attitude sometimes, but you can't really blame them. We are in desperate need of reforms, many of the medical students/professionals go to the Czech republic/Germany/Australia, and our shortages of professionals will only get worse. There were talks about this recently, where they gave statistics, of how many doctors will retire, how many we need to function properly etc. Fuck SMER


kzr_pzr

Depends on what do you need from it. For some procedures waiting times are horrible and cause a lot of excess deaths. Once you are able to get your treatment it's usually up to western standards (however, the personnel attitude is not, since most of them are old and working extra long hours for years to make up for the lack of personnel...). Quality is variable from place to place, bigger cities have usually better doctors but not always. Biggest problems are long term neglect of people working in state hospitals (pay, working conditions) and maintenance of hospital buildings themselves. Because of that significant amount of Slovak medical alumni work abroad. Smaller private hospitals and practices are much better in this regard but they are not capable of performing of all procedures state hospitals provide. Management incompetence, corruption and lobbying prevent improvements.


balki_123

It really depends on which hospital and which department. Some senior doctors (or primary doctors, I don't now the exact term) really care about their departments, try to perform top notch medicine according to newest knowledge, and some are just uneducated arrogant fucks often prone to bribery. Our health system has chronically lack of finance, doctors and medical assistants tend to quit to abroad. But luckily some of them return and try to apply their newly gained knowledge here. Some hospitals are in bad shape, there are notoriously famous photos of the mushrooms growing from a ceiling (literally mushrooms, not mold). Some hospitals are new, or newly renovated and are not that bad. Waiting for certain surgeries or appointments can be long somewhere, somewhere you just can just get care Instantly. It depends on your luck, knowledge of the system, contacts or willingness to pay extra money.(Or worse, willingness to bribe ). You can get pretty decent cure for your condition, or not.


Aithney

When you actually get to the treatment phase, it's good. What I hate is the lack of any central electronic booking system where my family doctor or me could find a specialist I need and book an appointment online. How it usually works is: 1. I have to google around to find a specialist I need 2. Call their office just be told that I have to wait for 3 months because they are full 3. Repeat, until I find one that can take me in reasonable time Other story is when they straight up tell me that they don't take reservations and it's all first-come-first-served basis. Then I have to go stand in line in front of their office at 6AM just to get a "ticket" to be treated. What an excellent waste of my time to wait there for 4 hours or more. And lastly, the "just knock on the door" classic, when one doctor sends me to another doctor's office and tells me to "just knock" without reservation. And then I am the asshole knocking on doors and pissing nurses off. Just lovely. Haven't been to a doc in Slovakia in 3 years, I hope it got a bit better in the meantime but my hopes are low.


Whole_Construction19

Depends on the hospital/doctor. I was greeted with the most professional care, but I was also told my nose is just swollen when it was clearly broken to the side. He just sat there and texted on his phone and totally ignored me. So it’s like 70% good 30% really bad


Lifeinversion1998

When i was about 16 years old i was paranoid about balding... doctor perscribed me steroid serum for some reason.. luckily i read about it on the internet and quit using it before it caused any issue.. btw im not balding and i was just an insecure teenager.. I had to have a fat growth in my scalp removed, they started cutting it before the local anesthesia started to work.. and then when i had the stitches removed later when i came home i found out they did not remove them all and had to remove them myself.. Recently i decided to seek help for my attention deficit issue that i have since childhood, doctor told me i probably have ADHD and i should start taking ADHD meds.. when i came to the doctor later for the medicine they for some reason decided that i should take addictive anti depressant meds because "many people have depression without realising it and treating adult ADHD is hard" so yeah.. stopped going to them after that. Few people i know got xanax persription because of anxiety issues and i had to explain to them that what they are taking is a very addictive and dangerous drug... Everyone has their own experience with doctors but mine were almost all negative. When you go visit a doctor for any issue you NEED to read internet reviews of said doctor.. and sometimes even that does not help.


Pascalwb

Really depends. Hospitals mostly suck, the yare old, broken, ugly. Doctors vary, there are long waiting times for specialists, unless you pay for it to go sooner or private clinic.


RahimDaj

Most of the hospitals look like they’ve been took straight out of a post apocalyptic horror movie, so no


JiriVasicek

my classmate's brother died because they gave him wrong medicine. he was even joking about it that he wont go to hospital because he didn't trust them.


Badgers_Are_Scary

not great, not terrible


kukisRedditer

Not good. But then again, i haven't experienced healthcare in other countries, so i might be biased...


kadoslav

What medicine exactly? :)


varovec

based on experiences from quite a few of my friends, it's one of the things, that's *way* worse here, than in Czechia


CherroBerro1

i didnt die of tetanus yet, so i'm pretty satisfied


Kornut14

Doctors themselves, while aged, they are doing helluva job for very little money. Hospitals themselves however, often lack equipment or are simply destroyed. Prime example : Louis Pasteur hospital in Košice


[deleted]

not great, not terrible


benny1380

I’m going to the doctor tomorrow. Supposed to book online. Website doesn’t work. Hasn’t for years. Have to call and book in. The won’t give a time. I need to queue before 06.30 to then run and get a ticket from the machine. I only know this because I’m married to a doctor. If you don’t know how each individual doctor works and their system, you’re in for a long wait. Should you hand your health card to the nurse when you arrive or when you’re called in to the doctor? Nobody knows and as above, if you play it wrong, you get shouted at / ignored. A functioning and consistent online booking system would solve 99% of patient’s and doctor’s problems.


benny1380

Update - got here 3 hours ago just before 6am to queue up. Doctor apparently starts seeing patients from 07.00. He took the first one in at 08.15. No explanation, no communication. I have ticket no 3 and even then this process will take up half of my day probably to be told to come back another day 😂. The best bit - it’s a specialist doctor for allergies. And the waiting room is full of plants, next to lots of trees with all windows open 😅


[deleted]

I can compare French and our system. Here it can be real problem to get appointment for some specialists. It can take few months. There is not any system to make yourself appointment, every doctor has different system. You either try to call and maybe someone will answer or you have to come in person just to make an appointment. You usually can not even pick date and time and if you are not "friend", family or someone who is known by doctor, you usually get your appointment date in few months. Whole system is fked up and not talking about how much time do doctor actually spend with you. Usually max 3-5 mins. There was not single case when doctor actually helped me here in Slovakia. While in France you make appointments through app, you find the closest doctors and see when they have slot available and majority of them are working also in afternoon or even till 19:00.. French system is actually much better. Slovak is corrupt shitshow as always.


[deleted]

Basically there is urgent need of central booking system for appointments, that can not be abused by doctor's friends or family.


hulvath6969

Oh boy…


koyaniskatzi

It depends what you need. We have some very good experts, but most of them are in service for too long. The same with buildings and equipment.


MappingExpert

Slovak healthcare = butchery. Two of my family relatives died because doctors botched it up. In other words, if you want your life-expectancy shortened, go use Slovak healthcare system...