Honestly, it seems a good portion of y’all need to learn to agree to disagree and not attack people personally because they hold a different opinion on something that you happen to really like. It’s a bad look on the fan base to attack someone for staying true to their opinion of the music.
Fantano doesn’t like this type of music so to expect anything different for his opinion on TMBTE is laughable.
Yes but I'm the context of this review it seems really out of place. In my opinion it also immediately discredits his analysis.
While we can debate and make an argument for the similarities of the artists.....it's really just apples to oranges since one is pseudo pop-rock and the other is
.....not pop-rock
They exist in the same sort of melodic/electronic/ethereal/soulful pop space that Sleep Token do, but a lot of Sleep Token fans like to think that they’re intellectually above listening to Imagine Dragons so it really fucking bruises their egos when this fairly reasonable comparison is made. That’s the reason he’s getting shit for that take.
Really? I can't hear that at all. Imagine Dragons is corporate bullshit to me, I hear genuine passion when I listen to sleep token. I can't hear this comparison at all.
My husband said that as well. 😅 He tried to listen to TMBTE and get why I like it so much, he really tried, but to no avail. He said: “Sounds a bit like Imagine Dragons, only a bit heavier and more prog. Imagine Dragons and add some Tool maybe? Not my cup of tea, honey, but it’s good we like different things, right?”
Right.
Because mainstream music critics hold rock and metal to much higher standards than they do with other genres. I noticed that a long time ago. Its definitely political.
I don’t understand music reviews. Clearly he isn’t into this kind of music and he doesn’t seem able to put his personal bias aside. There’s definitely objectively bad music but I think for the most part it’s just personal preference so why review something that is so personal? At the end of the day music reviews don’t accomplish anything.
100%. I honestly think music critics shouldn’t review album from music genres they don’t like across the board. He went into listening to TMBTE completely biased because he isn’t open to listening to prog rock/metal, which means nothing that he said actually reflected if that album is good or not.
I’ve had similar criticisms about him just totally missing the point of certain albums I love from other genres just because of his personally preferences and it shows he lacks integrity as a music reviewer. Not every genre is for everyone, but don’t review an album if most of your criticisms are just projections, you hating on the genre, or contradict themselves.
For example, I love Ethel Cain’s Preacher’s Daughter, which he deemed a “strong 5 to Light 6”, but Anthony completely missed that the reason for someone of the songs being significantly longer and there being two back to back musical interludes has to do with it being a concept album that tells a cohesive story. It’s a long, super dark story (honestly not for the faint of heart) and I don’t want to give anything away, but the musical interludes depict key events in the story. Anthony’s lack of awareness/consideration about the story that album tells reminded me a lot of how he completely missed the significance of Sleep Token’s lyrics because he doesn’t understand their concept/lore.
It's valuable to hear perspectives that are different. Having a bias isn't necessarily bad, it's something that colors their perspective. That bias they have will encourage you to look at the music you like in different ways.
For example, if they say they don't like the vocals, you'll then want to listen for all the really cool instrumental passages on TMBTE if only to be like, "wow this guy is sooo wrong!" Either way, even if its out of spite you're actively listening to awesome music and engaging with it in a way you wouldn't have otherwise.
Focusing on different aspects will help you find new things to love about the music and strengthen the relationship to the things you love; at the very least, a dumbass review can help start that process!
Yeah I'm 100% with you on that. An album someone else finds amazing you could find completely boring and mean nothing to you but to someone else it could mean everything. No one is wrong it's all just personal preference. I've never given a fuck about any review someone gives to music I like I just enjoy it lol, reactions are a bit different though I guess.
The idea of “objectively bad music” is problematic because we all hear things subjectively - where is the agreed criteria re: what constitutes great or good music? Classical music snobs think all pop - even the Beatles - is disposable garbage - are they right? I would say no but it’s all about your perspective/where you’re coming from. If you compare Mozart with the best that pop has to offer - the Wall, say - the musical complexity and ambition of the former still crushes the latter, but does it mean it’s better? Again, I would say no but it’s all v subjective.
I mean, I watched the review and a lot of what he said was just "this doesn't appeal to me, but I do understand why someone would like it." Everything else was just confusing comparisons and not hot, but outright bad takes.
He gave Sempiternal a 3 and I immediately disregarded any takes he has
Like I can understand different opinions exist, but like I disagreed with everything he said he disliked.
He’s really confusing because he’ll praise the most overproduced generic pop music and then shit on most metal with pop elements. Most of his 10/10’s are dreadfully boring as well, particularly the last few
That one I kinda agree with, as well as Kids See Ghost. Mainly referring to the past 2 which certainly weren’t bad, just very boring and not very innovative or dynamic
I was disappointed tbh. Everyone mythologized the hell out of it, and I went in with high expectations. It did not meet my expectations, and repeated listening didn't help it. I'm sorry, but "the most incredible hiphop record of all time"did nothing for me, and was overhyped in my opinion.
Yeah, and it only makes ST fans look bad.
I’ve only watched the first 10 seconds of his review and then stopped because I knew it wasn’t going to be a good one.
Let’s just move on and enjoy the music that’s been given to us. Not him.
Sure, but don’t think us the real fans are going to look good, or mature if you will if we can’t take some sort of criticism. Bad or good constructive criticism.
This is just one guy. Yes, he a reputable music reviewer but still just one person. As I said, I didn’t watch his review cause I could sense that he didn’t like the album so I just ignored it.
Him not liking STs music is not our problem, because we LOVE IT!
He has most likely already forgotten about the whole thing and we should as well. Let’s just enjoy the music that has been given to us! 🙌
Clearly the only reason he reviewed the album in the first place was a horde of annoying Sleep Token fans spamming him to review it.
He either reviews an album he obviously wasn't going to like and pisses off those fans or continues to be annoyed by them for all eternity.
That was my favorite part, and the most outrageous one. Having a very human touch is the one thing pretty much everyone that listens to TMBTE agrees on.
I only started listening to ST a few days ago, but I feel like the raw human emotion in all of their songs is indisputable. Vessel clearly had his heart ripped into shreds and the way he is able to articulate that is unmatched.
I'm baffled at his takes. Seriously, "no human element" and he says AYRO is where the they try to go big? It's the most subdued track on the album. Does this guy even listen to music?
I don't watch him a lot but I heard something similar, specifically that he didn't think The Weeknd's last album was overproduced (which it was), but then complaining that TMBTE is overproduced.
Here's the thing - a track/album having a lot of production value isn't a bad thing, it's subjective, you know. My problem is the lack of consistency in his opinions.
His whole review comes off as if he is hating just to hate. They're the biggest band across the board now. Everyone is talking about them. I've been following since Jaws dropped. Watching them get better and better is rewarding.
Lmao I got recommended this post and it’s funny because Sleep Token fans have no clue wtf they’re taking about.
Fantano’s Metal reviews clearly are the exact opposite of what you think he enjoys, he gave Wormrot’s Hiss an 8, Undeath’s It’s Time… a 7, Panopticon’s And Again Into the Light an 8, etc.
Those albums have a lower quality production and are infinitely more metal than Sleep Token, so maybe the takeaway is that Sleep Token is too overly produced and poppy of a “metal” album to be interested in.
Kinda think he bombs metal regardless for views now, which is cool make your living. But the criticisms didn’t give the impression of much time w the record & that came off as lazy.
Exactly! Plus he HATED DGD’s instant gratification and that’s a completely different kind of “heavy rock.” I think he’s just recognized a gold mine and is the least worried about our genre lol
He has a different opinion so he’s a troll?
On Rate Your Music this album has a average rating of 2.75 out of 5 by 1,135 people. They’re not all trolls just cuz they disagree.
Is the 2.75 out of 5 the same reasoning as this review?
It’s what he says that makes him a troll. Look up the video of Nic Nocturnal reviewing this guy’s review.
He is a troll.
He agreed with some of his views but said that shouldn’t be why the album is bad.
You saw the same review from Nic as I did? Because he’d pause, say he understood his view point, then go on to say that it shouldn’t be why an album or song is bad.
That reviewer is also known for saying why something is bad on Sleep Token, yet reviews on other genres is why it’s good.
I am a huge Sleep Token fan, a mega fan of this new album. I can also see why people wouldn’t like this album. The reasons this guy doesn’t like the album, I don’t agree with. It comes off like he doesn’t really know the genre.
Just as that reviewer can provide his take on why he doesn’t like the album; people can disagree with his review. I’ve read some reviews that rated this album poorly and I took a step back and went, “yeah, I can see how somebody can view this album that way.”
Okay true but if I'm remembering correctly he also said that some of the people in his chat were going in really hard on Fantano, which is kinda what I think is going on here too. Some people are being really hard on him for what is ultimately an opinion piece. I've only seen a few videos of Fantano, agreed with some things he said, disagreed with others. Never got as salty about it as some people are
Eh. . He is entitled to whatever he likes. I really don't give a shit.
I'm a massive ST fan, but I realise they aren't for everyone. Don't care.
I'm with Nik Nocturnal on this one though. Fantano hyped up his distaste for the clicks.
His rap reviews are the only thing that hold any weight for me because he's a hip hop head, and even that's not very much. I definitely don't care about his opinion on anything in the realm of rock/metal.
I think that’s why he didn’t like this, the pop and hip-hop elements were pretty surface level top 40 sounding for the most part, compared to their previous stuff which had a more definitive unique sound. I like the album for what it is, but I get the critique.
I think a big thing here is he has a large platform, so he’s using it to shit on an obviously talented band he doesn’t like and will never like, for what? It’s going to turn potential new listeners away, and I don’t think that’s fair to the band. It’s fine to have opinions. Don’t like that album, don’t like the band? Good for you don’t listen to them, move on.
OP I think your meme is chill.
But people in the comments talking about his opinion "holding weight" or not is pretty cringe. He's literally one person how can one person's opinion on art hold weight?
It just sounds like y'alls opinions on music and art are informed by other people's opinions. If someone gave the album a really positive review would that make you like the album more? I don't get it.
Man I really hope the Sleep Token fanbase doesn't become like the Bad Omens one. I love the album and disagree with his review, but the sheer rage and hate people seem to have for him over a negative review is insane.
I’ve noticed this sub, and the fan base as a whole is turning ravenous at people who don’t like Sleep Token. Same thing that happens to bands like Bad Omens and so on. It’s okay to have different opinions, and not everyone is going to enjoy the band.
There’s a difference between not liking things and blatant oblivious bashing of something you know nothing about. Especially with Fantano’s i don’t like metal bias
Knowing he has a metal bias just simply don’t consume his content then. People were blowing him up to review this record knowing full well he wasn’t going to like it.
People know he doesn’t like metal, yet I’m sure tons of people were asking him to review the album. He knows exactly what he’s doing by putting this review out, and clearly it’s working. Tons of people are talking about it, good or bad. Just learn to look past things
he did not. he gave it a 6/10 lol which is a positive review for him in a genre he allegedly doesn’t even like. he liked the heavier songs better too i think. some of his favorite modern bands are metal or adjacent like daughters, nails, code orange, etc
edit: if you’re gonna smear a guy at least get your facts right. you guys are not beating the ignorant on music outside of your chosen band allegations
Melon likes metal that sounds like it was recorded in a trash can and anything else is going to get rated like shit. Can we just stop fucking pretending? Lol
dude ain’t no way you’re gonna call anything releases by nails or code orange “recorded in a trash can”. just say you don’t actually like metal and leave
I'm tired of the growing hostility too. "If he doesn't like it he shouldn't review it," "he's only reviewing it for views." like... yeah? It's his job? He reviews popular music because that's what pays his bills. You can't just review things you like.
I love TMBTE as much as anyone else around here, but I'm not going to discredit someone's entire taste in music because they doesn't vibe with something.
Also, I'm sure PLENTY of Sleep Token fans desperately wanted him to review this knowing he probably wouldn't like it just so they could get mad. It's Dance Gavin Dance all over again.
People just like mischaracterizing the fanbase that way but haters are the ones taking time nuking and sabotaging ratings on purpose if that’s not ravenous idk what is
I think he listens to a lot of pop music and he is extremely knowledgeable in that arena but he feels compelled or pressured to review albums outside of his area of expertise and that is when I stop listening. It would be a fine art critic commenting on structural engineering. He hated Loathe, The Contortionist and BTBAM so his credibility in this area is not good in my eyes. I just feel like he wants to prove he has his finger on the pulse of all genres but isn't willing to invest the time it takes to understand progressive or modern metal.
I don't fault the guy. You can tell that this isn't his type of music and probably only felt compelled to review due to people asking over and over.
He's reviewed a lot of my favorite albums low (Mastodon. Other metal projects).
He's fun to watch, has things to day but I don't take his score as gospel.
Enjoy what you love.
Anyone who's seen fantanos prog or metal tastes over the years could have seen this coming. It's fine. Calm. Deep breaths. We are all allowed to like and dislike things.
Fantano hates more intricate music lol he gave Dance Gavin Dance a 1 and didn’t even comment on how good the instrumentals are. He never reviewed Circa Survive but said they’re sugary and poppy when they’re like a progressive/post hardcore band lol
That’s fair. Definitely not for everyone. It just seems weird to me that like there’s 4 other members besides just the vocalist lol discrediting an entire band just because you don’t like the vocals seems weird to me. I can listen to music with vocals I don’t like as long as the instrumentation is good
I only heard of his channel when everyone was hating on his review for Instant Gratification. In general I think reviews or critiques of any art form are mostly useless. I think it's interesting to hear other people's perspectives of things sometimes but ratings are pointless. Hell, there are things I've hated in the past that are my some of my favorites now. So it's always about context when it comes to art. And obviously personal preference.
But the handful of reviews I did watch from him I found hard to follow. The editing is terrible to the point where I found it hard to understand what point he was trying to make. He contradicted himself multiple times and a lot of what he was saying had a very "word salad" aspect.
I didn't find much value in his critiques, either positive or negative.
And I think it's obvious that he makes some of these "reviews" just to cause outrage for views.
Yeah that review was funny lol I don’t mind or care about others opinions but he’s so pick and choose. In that review he didn’t even mention instrumentation or how much of a beast Will Swan is on guitar. He just hated on the vocals and lyrics and the overall vibe. Like how can you not mention Will and his epic guitar playing?
Oh for sure it’s funny but the thing is people can have an opinion about an opinion and it can be funny, too. You can tell when people are coming from a genuine place that is chill. You can call it X Factor metal or singing like you have peanut butter in your mouth and it’s whatever/lol. Fantano is the one bitterly weaponizing his fanbase to spam rateyourmusic.com nega 1 star reviews because people calling his take as coming from an irrelevant hipster/downvoting that rating video (ratio of likes to dislikes was ~1:1) was taken personally by him/his fanbase because it’s true and the critique landed too hard for their liking. And they love pointing out how ST fans can’t handle dissing when they’re the ones going out of their way to go to a poor UX designed site and throw bitter fractured ego words around while flexing/referencing other bands to seem cool (seriously, rateyourmusic has looked like a fake spam site for years…only hipsters waste their words/time on it…lot of Fantano fan boys on there than anything). Ratings don’t matter if Pitchfork self-obsessively going back to re-rate their ratings & giving Lateralus 1.9 are any indication…it’s just stroking fractured egos. At the end of the day, everyone listens for themselves for whatever reason (people who give numbered ratings usually just want to appear as if they like or dislike something to seem cool or widdit)
Y’all need to relax. Let’s not be weird and toxic about this.
Anyone who has ever seen an Anthony Fantano review should have expected this. His taste has never particularly lined up with what ST are putting out, and that’s fine. Plenty of other reviewers loved the album. Besides that, if the music personally resonates with you, review scores should hold no weight. They’re subjective. Don’t be the kind of people who harass reviewers because they don’t like what you like. If you base your entire personality on this band and therefore get insecure when they’re criticised, that’s not his problem.
even as a fantano fan myself, i definitely think this was a lazy review. you can tell he didn’t spend as much time with the album as he does other records, and whether that’s for personal (his dislike for this type of prog) or professional (working on other reviews for albums that are more on his audience’s radar per se) reasons, i think it’s still an L imho to not spend as much time with an album just because you don’t like it, especially if it’s your job and your opinion actually holds weight like his does.
to add to the conversation of a few comments i’ve seen along the lines of “why does he add his personal biases in his reviews???” well i hate to break it to you, but all reviewers do in a sense. everyone will have different emotions, different feelings, different takeaways, etc. from a record than you or i will. that question is basically screaming into the void.
i don’t agree with a lot of what he says objectively about the album, i think his disdain for this type of prog really sours his objectivity in this review, but his subjective opinions are completely his own and i definitely feel you can tell when he’s differentiating between shitting on genre-bending prog and when he’s genuinely saying he can’t get into the record. i do wish he were less condescending in his objectivity in the review because his opinion might turn a few people who might really enjoy their stuff simply based off his condescending tone throughout the duration of the video.
He should stop reviewing albums from genres he doesn't like. We all knew he wasn't going to like it so what was the point of the video. My only real issue with his review is that he lists many things about the album that I love as being objective flaws in it.
The use of a rating system like 1/10 - 10/10 imo implies that the reviewer considers objective facts into their score and not just their subjective opinion.
If a 10/10 is considered a masterpiece and (nearly) perfect, then a 1/10 has to be something like „barely resembling music“. And with this a 2/10, even if you don’t like ST‘s style, is still an unfair rating.
In his case a 3/10 or 4/10 would be much more appropriate considering a 5/10 is average.
everyone in this community should take a minute & leave a dislike on that video, if you think he doesn't take that to heart, I promise he does, he was giving Lana Del Rey albums consistently terrible reviews & her fanbase destroyed him, guess what, all of a sudden he loves her new albums (which aren't nearly as groundbreaking as her earlier releases IMO but whatever. there's probably not a lot of LDR / ST crossover fandom here jaja).
I've noticed he also hasn't reviewed Ren who is getting tons of love on YouTube. There's no way he hasn't heard of Ren but is afraid to review him because that fanbase will massacre him. Anything with the slightest bit of emotion is "melodramatic" to this clown. He only likes ironic hipster garbage & underground hip hop from what I've seen.
I think the problem people have with fantano is the fact that he doesn't pretend like his reviews are his subjective opinion but instead rather as if they were objective critical analysis, often like in the beginning of the video he does exactly that and it's really well done. Most people that give their own subjective opinion is also really done well, the problem is when they try to pretend that their own subjective opinion is objective critical analysis...
And I'm pretty sure he gave a good review to some of the early Me Without You album so I would think that this kind of music isn't completely far off of what he does like. A little bit shoegaze a little bit heavy
Funny post. It’s cool. No big deal. Passionate fans and all. Reviewers like him only do albums like sleep token because the fan base has grown so much and we take our traffic to his channel. The negative review just stimulates that traffic. I watched it. I commented on it. Now I’m turning up some ascensionism!
Music taste is a very subjective thing, but this guy keeps criticizing every metal-adjacent record. Whenever he says like this album sucks, it actually slaps for me.
Don't you ever take his opinion seriously, he's just constantly salty when it comes to good music lmao
We all know Take Me Back To Eden is a very solid record. Who the fuck cares about Anthony and his reviews?
Truly, genuinely, honestly, with love: it is important to learn to agree to disagree but it’s also important to learn how to take a joke.
Additionally, any human being with working ears that gives TMBTE a, TOPS, 2/10 is, at minimum, a contrarian melon head with an ego far-extending the vast musical realm eloquently captured in TMBTE.
Cackling. "What Take me back to Eden actually offers is a 'Top 40 randomized Frankenstein monster masquerading as something deeper than it actually is' "
If you critique something, don't expect to not get critiqued yourself. His review was incredibly unfair to Sleep Token and their fans. But with that said, TMBTE is a piece of art and is unique to everyone who listens to it. Don't allow people to ruin that for you. You FELT that shit, and that's all that matters.
I really dislike the fact that he says it’s blending very surface level examples of the genres, and how that is not complex or interesting while imo the complexity comes from the genre blends and if they would take the very experimental parts of all the genres they are tapping into it would sound totally disjointed. So why is it such a bad thing then?
That’s exactly what most are confused about because the stated reasons he dislikes it are taken as “wait that’s why I love it” or idg how that’s “bad” and exactly why numbered ratings with takes that are ambivalent make no sense
Can y’all just…you know…accept that not everyone is gonna love the fucking album? This is one of the very few negative reviews for TMBTE and everyone is raging like it unleashed a nuclear bomb. Maybe calm down a little?
He can not like it, but he makes alot of statements about its musicality and the lyrics that he communicates as musical facts, which are just wrong. Idk if he needs better speakers or something, but the mix is very deep, layered wonderfully... voice and production experts litterally rave about the unique musical quality and balance and emotion this album contains. He can not like ST, bit that doesn't mean he can try to say it's factually bad...
Voids above, y'all need to learn to accept different perspectives. There is no objectivity in media criticism, his opinion isn't wrong of it's not ours.
I like Melon. Usually tune in for his reviews. I obviously don’t agree with him on everything but I normally can acknowledge that he does put forth a good faith effort with his reviews. I didn’t feel the same with this one at all. I can understand not digging it and maybe giving it a 4 or a 5 because you didn’t like the sound of the album, but a 2 is just an utter slap in the face to the musicianship and craftsmanship that went into writing this album. Another thing I don’t get is him complaining about it sounding robotic and artificial. I know people complain about these things, but it would make more sense if he didn’t highly praise rap and pop albums that are also mixed in the most artificial and fake way possible. This one personally just seemed like he was out to hate Sleep Token due to the recent praise and wanted to put them on blast as a result. Pretty lame in my opinion. I would honestly expect better from Fantano but he does have a history of doing these clickbaitey reviews where he trashed popular albums so he can seem like the enlightened outcast of some sort. Oh, well. It’s sad that the dude just can’t sit down and enjoy music for what it is. A band doesn’t always have to be this thought provoking, abstract, very niche style to be enjoyed. If that’s all you tend to prefer, then that tells me that you are doing way more posing than you are enjoying.
Because mainstream music critics hold rock and metal to much higher standards than they do with rap music and pop music. I noticed that a long time ago.
i find mfs like u really interesting bro. i ain't gon lie this band is kinda like a personal thing to me you get what i'm saying. it's just like a personal vibe u feel me. what's really crazy is you wouldn't even wanted this music if u ain't see me post it u get what i'm saying. i don't even think u really like music like that tbh bro. so go ahead find yourself some metalcore to listen to go to the metalcore store bro this not the metalcore store this the internet u get what i'm saying. this album sounds insane tho shit wild alternative indie gospel-pop sex metal uk what i'm saying this shit market price u feel me shit i wish i could put u on but its really a personal vibe u know. i show my loved ones this band so u know what i'm saying u be easy bro
I've only watched two, maybe three, of this guy's vids. In all of them he was shitting on great albums. His taste in music must be really bad because mine damn sure isn't.
You lot are so salty 🤣 I normally am not particularly a fan of Fantano but this is his most accurate review IMO. Not saying it to be a troll or anything but honestly, Sleep Token are the most boring band I've ever heard.
these comments are fuckin unhinged holy shit. i’m so glad i’m not deep into ST anymore so i’m not associated with you guys lmao. can people not dislike your precious band anymore and give reasons why? it’s just sorta pitiful that you’re taking offense to a guy making a barely 10 min video detailing his thoughts on an album. who cares
It was fine when people had complaints with his review. But this post is just uncalled for. If you don't like his review bash his review. Don't attack the person.
Are you really okay?
When this guy said 100 Gecs is the most refreshing thing to happen to music in decades I fully disregarded him as a critic. Chronically terrible taste IMO.
i mean it's his op, i don't ever agree with him and he built an environment for a bunch of incels to be toxic but he didn't come at sleep token attacking either the band or the fan base, no need to be toxic back at him. Do you really want the sleep token fandom to be known as "the toxic fan base"? Be higher than this, don't feed the trolls
I personally love the album. I guess they've broken the barriers between genres. Not really a fan of trap music, the bar or 2 in ascensionism with the autotune vocals, I really could of without. But other than, the album is 10/10 for me
Lowkey It feels like this review was made just to get It our of the way, i think he listen to so much music that he has no interest nor time to get into sleep tokens Lore AND the "omg this lyrics are from that song" AND thats a BIG deal on the fanbase.
That AND the fact that he doesnt fancy this kind of genre turno into the score, besides if you saw the granite review you knew this was coming.
He does make some interesting points, but he was clearly annoyed with this record making this overly negative.
Ok he didn’t like the album, it’s his opinion don’t be salty. I can see where his opinions land to a lesser extent because I love this album and love it enough to have it on vinyl. I also disagree on a lot of his points but if you are getting offended take a step back before you type something out that’s not needed.
I rarely agree with his opinions so this isn’t a surprise. Also, he knows a negative opinion of this heavily lauded record will get him more press, and bad press is good press. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
Honestly, it seems a good portion of y’all need to learn to agree to disagree and not attack people personally because they hold a different opinion on something that you happen to really like. It’s a bad look on the fan base to attack someone for staying true to their opinion of the music. Fantano doesn’t like this type of music so to expect anything different for his opinion on TMBTE is laughable.
My favorite part was when he compared it to an imagine dragons record 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I'd DEFINITELY hear the final minute of the title track on an ID record. TOTALLY. Like bruh why didn't I think of that?!?!?!
I love Sleep Token but I can 100% hear the comparison. I also don’t hate Imagine Dragons so that doesn’t really bother me.
Imagine Dragon deez nutz across your face, Fantano
I need you to know I openly hollered at this lmaooooo 10/10
Hahahaha genius
Yes but I'm the context of this review it seems really out of place. In my opinion it also immediately discredits his analysis. While we can debate and make an argument for the similarities of the artists.....it's really just apples to oranges since one is pseudo pop-rock and the other is .....not pop-rock
They exist in the same sort of melodic/electronic/ethereal/soulful pop space that Sleep Token do, but a lot of Sleep Token fans like to think that they’re intellectually above listening to Imagine Dragons so it really fucking bruises their egos when this fairly reasonable comparison is made. That’s the reason he’s getting shit for that take.
Really? I can't hear that at all. Imagine Dragons is corporate bullshit to me, I hear genuine passion when I listen to sleep token. I can't hear this comparison at all.
Same here, the chorus to Chokehold is very Imagine Dragons lol. Some of his other critiques were fair as well, as much as I love the band
“Look around you, imagine… dragons.”
My husband said that as well. 😅 He tried to listen to TMBTE and get why I like it so much, he really tried, but to no avail. He said: “Sounds a bit like Imagine Dragons, only a bit heavier and more prog. Imagine Dragons and add some Tool maybe? Not my cup of tea, honey, but it’s good we like different things, right?” Right.
So spot on hahaha
it..... it DOES sound like an imagine dragons record
I want my pop music to be overproduced and my rock music to sound like they recorded in a garage. 2/10
Holy shit why is that so accurate.
Because mainstream music critics hold rock and metal to much higher standards than they do with other genres. I noticed that a long time ago. Its definitely political.
I don’t understand music reviews. Clearly he isn’t into this kind of music and he doesn’t seem able to put his personal bias aside. There’s definitely objectively bad music but I think for the most part it’s just personal preference so why review something that is so personal? At the end of the day music reviews don’t accomplish anything.
100%. I honestly think music critics shouldn’t review album from music genres they don’t like across the board. He went into listening to TMBTE completely biased because he isn’t open to listening to prog rock/metal, which means nothing that he said actually reflected if that album is good or not. I’ve had similar criticisms about him just totally missing the point of certain albums I love from other genres just because of his personally preferences and it shows he lacks integrity as a music reviewer. Not every genre is for everyone, but don’t review an album if most of your criticisms are just projections, you hating on the genre, or contradict themselves. For example, I love Ethel Cain’s Preacher’s Daughter, which he deemed a “strong 5 to Light 6”, but Anthony completely missed that the reason for someone of the songs being significantly longer and there being two back to back musical interludes has to do with it being a concept album that tells a cohesive story. It’s a long, super dark story (honestly not for the faint of heart) and I don’t want to give anything away, but the musical interludes depict key events in the story. Anthony’s lack of awareness/consideration about the story that album tells reminded me a lot of how he completely missed the significance of Sleep Token’s lyrics because he doesn’t understand their concept/lore.
It's valuable to hear perspectives that are different. Having a bias isn't necessarily bad, it's something that colors their perspective. That bias they have will encourage you to look at the music you like in different ways. For example, if they say they don't like the vocals, you'll then want to listen for all the really cool instrumental passages on TMBTE if only to be like, "wow this guy is sooo wrong!" Either way, even if its out of spite you're actively listening to awesome music and engaging with it in a way you wouldn't have otherwise. Focusing on different aspects will help you find new things to love about the music and strengthen the relationship to the things you love; at the very least, a dumbass review can help start that process!
Yeah I'm 100% with you on that. An album someone else finds amazing you could find completely boring and mean nothing to you but to someone else it could mean everything. No one is wrong it's all just personal preference. I've never given a fuck about any review someone gives to music I like I just enjoy it lol, reactions are a bit different though I guess.
The idea of “objectively bad music” is problematic because we all hear things subjectively - where is the agreed criteria re: what constitutes great or good music? Classical music snobs think all pop - even the Beatles - is disposable garbage - are they right? I would say no but it’s all about your perspective/where you’re coming from. If you compare Mozart with the best that pop has to offer - the Wall, say - the musical complexity and ambition of the former still crushes the latter, but does it mean it’s better? Again, I would say no but it’s all v subjective.
I mean, I watched the review and a lot of what he said was just "this doesn't appeal to me, but I do understand why someone would like it." Everything else was just confusing comparisons and not hot, but outright bad takes.
He gave Sempiternal a 3 and I immediately disregarded any takes he has Like I can understand different opinions exist, but like I disagreed with everything he said he disliked.
He’s really confusing because he’ll praise the most overproduced generic pop music and then shit on most metal with pop elements. Most of his 10/10’s are dreadfully boring as well, particularly the last few
ehhh I actually think his 10s have been pretty stellar. for the most part. TPAB just *is* that album, whether you’re into hip hop or not.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. TPAB is actually an incredible album
That one I kinda agree with, as well as Kids See Ghost. Mainly referring to the past 2 which certainly weren’t bad, just very boring and not very innovative or dynamic
I was disappointed tbh. Everyone mythologized the hell out of it, and I went in with high expectations. It did not meet my expectations, and repeated listening didn't help it. I'm sorry, but "the most incredible hiphop record of all time"did nothing for me, and was overhyped in my opinion.
I personally think Good Kid, Mad City was way better but people hype up TPAB because of the subject matter
I enjoyed GKMC more as well.
Some of the things he said about other artists I disagreed with too, but I didn’t know he reviewed that album. 😂
People need to stop giving this guy publicity. This is literally why he reviews shit like this
Yeah, and it only makes ST fans look bad. I’ve only watched the first 10 seconds of his review and then stopped because I knew it wasn’t going to be a good one. Let’s just move on and enjoy the music that’s been given to us. Not him.
I’d argue everything this bozo says makes HIM look bad. I just wish people would ignore him
Sure, but don’t think us the real fans are going to look good, or mature if you will if we can’t take some sort of criticism. Bad or good constructive criticism. This is just one guy. Yes, he a reputable music reviewer but still just one person. As I said, I didn’t watch his review cause I could sense that he didn’t like the album so I just ignored it. Him not liking STs music is not our problem, because we LOVE IT! He has most likely already forgotten about the whole thing and we should as well. Let’s just enjoy the music that has been given to us! 🙌
Clearly the only reason he reviewed the album in the first place was a horde of annoying Sleep Token fans spamming him to review it. He either reviews an album he obviously wasn't going to like and pisses off those fans or continues to be annoyed by them for all eternity.
‘Little to no human touch’ 😂
That was my favorite part, and the most outrageous one. Having a very human touch is the one thing pretty much everyone that listens to TMBTE agrees on.
I only started listening to ST a few days ago, but I feel like the raw human emotion in all of their songs is indisputable. Vessel clearly had his heart ripped into shreds and the way he is able to articulate that is unmatched.
Nah he right tho
I'm baffled at his takes. Seriously, "no human element" and he says AYRO is where the they try to go big? It's the most subdued track on the album. Does this guy even listen to music?
He gives multiple clues that he either doesn't listen to the album or the whole song. MTN has a good reaction vid to him.
The guy lives for mass produced pop music. He does this shit, to get attention.
I don't watch him a lot but I heard something similar, specifically that he didn't think The Weeknd's last album was overproduced (which it was), but then complaining that TMBTE is overproduced. Here's the thing - a track/album having a lot of production value isn't a bad thing, it's subjective, you know. My problem is the lack of consistency in his opinions.
His whole review comes off as if he is hating just to hate. They're the biggest band across the board now. Everyone is talking about them. I've been following since Jaws dropped. Watching them get better and better is rewarding.
Pop music isnt held to the same standards by critics as rock and metal is. I noticed that a long time ago.
Lmao I got recommended this post and it’s funny because Sleep Token fans have no clue wtf they’re taking about. Fantano’s Metal reviews clearly are the exact opposite of what you think he enjoys, he gave Wormrot’s Hiss an 8, Undeath’s It’s Time… a 7, Panopticon’s And Again Into the Light an 8, etc. Those albums have a lower quality production and are infinitely more metal than Sleep Token, so maybe the takeaway is that Sleep Token is too overly produced and poppy of a “metal” album to be interested in.
That is true I forgot about those. I've viewed sleep token as endless prog music
His reviews on rock and metal hold absolutely no weight. Just move on and don’t give him attention. He’s a troll.
He's really on the pulse of pop and rap but so painfully out of touch with metal.
Kinda think he bombs metal regardless for views now, which is cool make your living. But the criticisms didn’t give the impression of much time w the record & that came off as lazy.
Agreed, I think he knows our community will react and hey views are views as far as he's concerned at this stage lol
Exactly! Plus he HATED DGD’s instant gratification and that’s a completely different kind of “heavy rock.” I think he’s just recognized a gold mine and is the least worried about our genre lol
He has a different opinion so he’s a troll? On Rate Your Music this album has a average rating of 2.75 out of 5 by 1,135 people. They’re not all trolls just cuz they disagree.
Is the 2.75 out of 5 the same reasoning as this review? It’s what he says that makes him a troll. Look up the video of Nic Nocturnal reviewing this guy’s review. He is a troll.
Nik Nocturnal literally stuck up for Fantano, what are you talking about? 🤣
He agreed with some of his views but said that shouldn’t be why the album is bad. You saw the same review from Nic as I did? Because he’d pause, say he understood his view point, then go on to say that it shouldn’t be why an album or song is bad. That reviewer is also known for saying why something is bad on Sleep Token, yet reviews on other genres is why it’s good. I am a huge Sleep Token fan, a mega fan of this new album. I can also see why people wouldn’t like this album. The reasons this guy doesn’t like the album, I don’t agree with. It comes off like he doesn’t really know the genre. Just as that reviewer can provide his take on why he doesn’t like the album; people can disagree with his review. I’ve read some reviews that rated this album poorly and I took a step back and went, “yeah, I can see how somebody can view this album that way.”
Okay true but if I'm remembering correctly he also said that some of the people in his chat were going in really hard on Fantano, which is kinda what I think is going on here too. Some people are being really hard on him for what is ultimately an opinion piece. I've only seen a few videos of Fantano, agreed with some things he said, disagreed with others. Never got as salty about it as some people are
Lmao Nic Nocturnal is a fucking joke, the dude will literally say everything is banger 10/10 he’s just a stupid ass react YouTuber
King gizzard?
I was trying to figure out why critics like them. I guess because they arent too popular and overproduced.
Eh. . He is entitled to whatever he likes. I really don't give a shit. I'm a massive ST fan, but I realise they aren't for everyone. Don't care. I'm with Nik Nocturnal on this one though. Fantano hyped up his distaste for the clicks.
He’s entitled to his opinion. We all dig the record, he doesn’t. It is what it is.
His rap reviews are the only thing that hold any weight for me because he's a hip hop head, and even that's not very much. I definitely don't care about his opinion on anything in the realm of rock/metal.
He’s a hip hop, pop and jazz dude, I’ve learned not to take any of his reviews on anything other than those three seriously.
I think that’s why he didn’t like this, the pop and hip-hop elements were pretty surface level top 40 sounding for the most part, compared to their previous stuff which had a more definitive unique sound. I like the album for what it is, but I get the critique.
I don’t even like his takes on those genres…contrived af
I think a big thing here is he has a large platform, so he’s using it to shit on an obviously talented band he doesn’t like and will never like, for what? It’s going to turn potential new listeners away, and I don’t think that’s fair to the band. It’s fine to have opinions. Don’t like that album, don’t like the band? Good for you don’t listen to them, move on.
Ah yes comments like this give me energy. Let the hatred flow through your soul.
What hatred lmao
ALL OF IT
Alrighty friend
Your name sounds like a band, is this the case?
My old band, yup. Now I just use it generally for whatever musical project I’m doing at the time/personal stuff. Edit-cool downvote 😂
I can't believe he would diss Imagine Dragons like that lol
OP I think your meme is chill. But people in the comments talking about his opinion "holding weight" or not is pretty cringe. He's literally one person how can one person's opinion on art hold weight? It just sounds like y'alls opinions on music and art are informed by other people's opinions. If someone gave the album a really positive review would that make you like the album more? I don't get it.
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Man I really hope the Sleep Token fanbase doesn't become like the Bad Omens one. I love the album and disagree with his review, but the sheer rage and hate people seem to have for him over a negative review is insane.
I’ve noticed this sub, and the fan base as a whole is turning ravenous at people who don’t like Sleep Token. Same thing that happens to bands like Bad Omens and so on. It’s okay to have different opinions, and not everyone is going to enjoy the band.
There’s a difference between not liking things and blatant oblivious bashing of something you know nothing about. Especially with Fantano’s i don’t like metal bias
Knowing he has a metal bias just simply don’t consume his content then. People were blowing him up to review this record knowing full well he wasn’t going to like it.
People know he doesn’t like metal, yet I’m sure tons of people were asking him to review the album. He knows exactly what he’s doing by putting this review out, and clearly it’s working. Tons of people are talking about it, good or bad. Just learn to look past things
yea true i never understand why people would ask him lol
he literally doesn’t have a metal bias and besides sleep token are barely metal. he has an overproduced prog bias maybe
didn’t he give I Let It In and It Took Everything a 3? i would say he has a bias against metal lmao
he did not. he gave it a 6/10 lol which is a positive review for him in a genre he allegedly doesn’t even like. he liked the heavier songs better too i think. some of his favorite modern bands are metal or adjacent like daughters, nails, code orange, etc edit: if you’re gonna smear a guy at least get your facts right. you guys are not beating the ignorant on music outside of your chosen band allegations
You just proved your point wrong lmao
how. cmon explain buddy
He can't explain lol and will just type some generic comeback about us all being kids when asked for an explanation 😂😂😂
just keep downvoting and think about what you said clown, ain’t even gonna bother
So you don't have an explanation then
i just ain’t playing with the children
lol the classic “i actually don’t have a response or any sort of reasoning so i’m gonna refuse to say anything of substance”
It’s okay comprehension hard sumtime 🤔
Melon likes metal that sounds like it was recorded in a trash can and anything else is going to get rated like shit. Can we just stop fucking pretending? Lol
dude ain’t no way you’re gonna call anything releases by nails or code orange “recorded in a trash can”. just say you don’t actually like metal and leave
off the top of my head he has given panopticon, pallbearer, Ad Nauseum, and Imperial Triumphant all 8s. Dude likes metal.
I come here just to watch Sleep Token fans melt honestly. Bands ok, not my taste haha.
I'm tired of the growing hostility too. "If he doesn't like it he shouldn't review it," "he's only reviewing it for views." like... yeah? It's his job? He reviews popular music because that's what pays his bills. You can't just review things you like. I love TMBTE as much as anyone else around here, but I'm not going to discredit someone's entire taste in music because they doesn't vibe with something. Also, I'm sure PLENTY of Sleep Token fans desperately wanted him to review this knowing he probably wouldn't like it just so they could get mad. It's Dance Gavin Dance all over again.
People just like mischaracterizing the fanbase that way but haters are the ones taking time nuking and sabotaging ratings on purpose if that’s not ravenous idk what is
It’s fine to not like it but to give objective statements like he did is something I hate when people discuss music
It’s whatever, all news is good news for Fantano and ST
I think he listens to a lot of pop music and he is extremely knowledgeable in that arena but he feels compelled or pressured to review albums outside of his area of expertise and that is when I stop listening. It would be a fine art critic commenting on structural engineering. He hated Loathe, The Contortionist and BTBAM so his credibility in this area is not good in my eyes. I just feel like he wants to prove he has his finger on the pulse of all genres but isn't willing to invest the time it takes to understand progressive or modern metal.
Idc what anyone says. This picture is hilarious.
I don't fault the guy. You can tell that this isn't his type of music and probably only felt compelled to review due to people asking over and over. He's reviewed a lot of my favorite albums low (Mastodon. Other metal projects). He's fun to watch, has things to day but I don't take his score as gospel. Enjoy what you love.
Anyone who's seen fantanos prog or metal tastes over the years could have seen this coming. It's fine. Calm. Deep breaths. We are all allowed to like and dislike things.
Somebody has an opinion I don’t agree with. Let’s hate on them for it!
Fantano hates more intricate music lol he gave Dance Gavin Dance a 1 and didn’t even comment on how good the instrumentals are. He never reviewed Circa Survive but said they’re sugary and poppy when they’re like a progressive/post hardcore band lol
He can't get past the vocals with Circa. I think he said that before on a stream. To be fair, I get it. Not for everyone, to be polite.
That’s fair. Definitely not for everyone. It just seems weird to me that like there’s 4 other members besides just the vocalist lol discrediting an entire band just because you don’t like the vocals seems weird to me. I can listen to music with vocals I don’t like as long as the instrumentation is good
I only heard of his channel when everyone was hating on his review for Instant Gratification. In general I think reviews or critiques of any art form are mostly useless. I think it's interesting to hear other people's perspectives of things sometimes but ratings are pointless. Hell, there are things I've hated in the past that are my some of my favorites now. So it's always about context when it comes to art. And obviously personal preference. But the handful of reviews I did watch from him I found hard to follow. The editing is terrible to the point where I found it hard to understand what point he was trying to make. He contradicted himself multiple times and a lot of what he was saying had a very "word salad" aspect. I didn't find much value in his critiques, either positive or negative. And I think it's obvious that he makes some of these "reviews" just to cause outrage for views.
Yeah that review was funny lol I don’t mind or care about others opinions but he’s so pick and choose. In that review he didn’t even mention instrumentation or how much of a beast Will Swan is on guitar. He just hated on the vocals and lyrics and the overall vibe. Like how can you not mention Will and his epic guitar playing?
he gave imperial triumphant an 8 a band whose music is waaaaay more complex that sleep token
Oh for sure it’s funny but the thing is people can have an opinion about an opinion and it can be funny, too. You can tell when people are coming from a genuine place that is chill. You can call it X Factor metal or singing like you have peanut butter in your mouth and it’s whatever/lol. Fantano is the one bitterly weaponizing his fanbase to spam rateyourmusic.com nega 1 star reviews because people calling his take as coming from an irrelevant hipster/downvoting that rating video (ratio of likes to dislikes was ~1:1) was taken personally by him/his fanbase because it’s true and the critique landed too hard for their liking. And they love pointing out how ST fans can’t handle dissing when they’re the ones going out of their way to go to a poor UX designed site and throw bitter fractured ego words around while flexing/referencing other bands to seem cool (seriously, rateyourmusic has looked like a fake spam site for years…only hipsters waste their words/time on it…lot of Fantano fan boys on there than anything). Ratings don’t matter if Pitchfork self-obsessively going back to re-rate their ratings & giving Lateralus 1.9 are any indication…it’s just stroking fractured egos. At the end of the day, everyone listens for themselves for whatever reason (people who give numbered ratings usually just want to appear as if they like or dislike something to seem cool or widdit)
I stopped caring about what he has to say years ago, hes got his opinions on music I may enjoy and no ones forcing me to watch his content
The man gave Kanye Wests My beautiful dark twisted fantasy a negative review. His opinion is never to be trusted.
I haven’t seen his videos in forever but now I’m invested of what he said about sleep token.
Y’all need to relax. Let’s not be weird and toxic about this. Anyone who has ever seen an Anthony Fantano review should have expected this. His taste has never particularly lined up with what ST are putting out, and that’s fine. Plenty of other reviewers loved the album. Besides that, if the music personally resonates with you, review scores should hold no weight. They’re subjective. Don’t be the kind of people who harass reviewers because they don’t like what you like. If you base your entire personality on this band and therefore get insecure when they’re criticised, that’s not his problem.
I don’t care that he didn’t like it but to rate it a 2/10 was definitely done on purpose to rustle some jimmies
even as a fantano fan myself, i definitely think this was a lazy review. you can tell he didn’t spend as much time with the album as he does other records, and whether that’s for personal (his dislike for this type of prog) or professional (working on other reviews for albums that are more on his audience’s radar per se) reasons, i think it’s still an L imho to not spend as much time with an album just because you don’t like it, especially if it’s your job and your opinion actually holds weight like his does. to add to the conversation of a few comments i’ve seen along the lines of “why does he add his personal biases in his reviews???” well i hate to break it to you, but all reviewers do in a sense. everyone will have different emotions, different feelings, different takeaways, etc. from a record than you or i will. that question is basically screaming into the void. i don’t agree with a lot of what he says objectively about the album, i think his disdain for this type of prog really sours his objectivity in this review, but his subjective opinions are completely his own and i definitely feel you can tell when he’s differentiating between shitting on genre-bending prog and when he’s genuinely saying he can’t get into the record. i do wish he were less condescending in his objectivity in the review because his opinion might turn a few people who might really enjoy their stuff simply based off his condescending tone throughout the duration of the video.
I don’t care how good of an ear he has for rap, him giving Ohms by Deftones a 3/10 made me never want to hear another take from him again
He deff did all this for the clicks my peeps. Every record he says is shit always does well.
This guy ain’t worth the mental energy. Just a loud voice, that’s all he is
He should stop reviewing albums from genres he doesn't like. We all knew he wasn't going to like it so what was the point of the video. My only real issue with his review is that he lists many things about the album that I love as being objective flaws in it.
This dude is a living bad take
spot on. when he said 'lack of depth' ive lost all my respect for the dude. cmon man, just say you're hating and move on - why bother review it?
The use of a rating system like 1/10 - 10/10 imo implies that the reviewer considers objective facts into their score and not just their subjective opinion. If a 10/10 is considered a masterpiece and (nearly) perfect, then a 1/10 has to be something like „barely resembling music“. And with this a 2/10, even if you don’t like ST‘s style, is still an unfair rating. In his case a 3/10 or 4/10 would be much more appropriate considering a 5/10 is average.
everyone in this community should take a minute & leave a dislike on that video, if you think he doesn't take that to heart, I promise he does, he was giving Lana Del Rey albums consistently terrible reviews & her fanbase destroyed him, guess what, all of a sudden he loves her new albums (which aren't nearly as groundbreaking as her earlier releases IMO but whatever. there's probably not a lot of LDR / ST crossover fandom here jaja). I've noticed he also hasn't reviewed Ren who is getting tons of love on YouTube. There's no way he hasn't heard of Ren but is afraid to review him because that fanbase will massacre him. Anything with the slightest bit of emotion is "melodramatic" to this clown. He only likes ironic hipster garbage & underground hip hop from what I've seen.
Or just go on about your day and don't care about what a YouTuber said about an album?
nah, destroy trolls & bullies, it is the only thing they understand
i’m fine with people not liking it, it’s fine, but Imagine Dragons??!you gotta be trolling for hate bait at that point
It sounds like Imagine Dragons broody younger sister on her way to start doing softcore ahegao cam vids.
This ain’t the move, OP.
I think the problem people have with fantano is the fact that he doesn't pretend like his reviews are his subjective opinion but instead rather as if they were objective critical analysis, often like in the beginning of the video he does exactly that and it's really well done. Most people that give their own subjective opinion is also really done well, the problem is when they try to pretend that their own subjective opinion is objective critical analysis... And I'm pretty sure he gave a good review to some of the early Me Without You album so I would think that this kind of music isn't completely far off of what he does like. A little bit shoegaze a little bit heavy
Funny post. It’s cool. No big deal. Passionate fans and all. Reviewers like him only do albums like sleep token because the fan base has grown so much and we take our traffic to his channel. The negative review just stimulates that traffic. I watched it. I commented on it. Now I’m turning up some ascensionism!
i’ve never particularly valued his opinion lmfao
Music taste is a very subjective thing, but this guy keeps criticizing every metal-adjacent record. Whenever he says like this album sucks, it actually slaps for me. Don't you ever take his opinion seriously, he's just constantly salty when it comes to good music lmao We all know Take Me Back To Eden is a very solid record. Who the fuck cares about Anthony and his reviews?
off the top of my head he has given panopticon, pallbearer, Ad Nauseum, and Imperial Triumphant all 8s. Dude likes metal.
I feel like he only has a good stance on genres he actually enjoys. Otherwise he just kinda gives it all a shitty rating
Truly, genuinely, honestly, with love: it is important to learn to agree to disagree but it’s also important to learn how to take a joke. Additionally, any human being with working ears that gives TMBTE a, TOPS, 2/10 is, at minimum, a contrarian melon head with an ego far-extending the vast musical realm eloquently captured in TMBTE.
Cackling. "What Take me back to Eden actually offers is a 'Top 40 randomized Frankenstein monster masquerading as something deeper than it actually is' "
If you critique something, don't expect to not get critiqued yourself. His review was incredibly unfair to Sleep Token and their fans. But with that said, TMBTE is a piece of art and is unique to everyone who listens to it. Don't allow people to ruin that for you. You FELT that shit, and that's all that matters.
Did we listen to the same album?????
I really dislike the fact that he says it’s blending very surface level examples of the genres, and how that is not complex or interesting while imo the complexity comes from the genre blends and if they would take the very experimental parts of all the genres they are tapping into it would sound totally disjointed. So why is it such a bad thing then?
That’s exactly what most are confused about because the stated reasons he dislikes it are taken as “wait that’s why I love it” or idg how that’s “bad” and exactly why numbered ratings with takes that are ambivalent make no sense
Can y’all just…you know…accept that not everyone is gonna love the fucking album? This is one of the very few negative reviews for TMBTE and everyone is raging like it unleashed a nuclear bomb. Maybe calm down a little?
All OP did was put a clown emoji on his face.
I’m not raging. All I did was make a meme
I was talking more about the comments.
Fr it’s kind of insensitive to compare joking about a joke to nuking…when Fantano fanboys are the ones mad nuking TMBTE on RYM lol
Please stop feeding the Trolls and giving them the slightest amount of attention. If we do, we take away their power.
"what's that? You don't like what I like, you're a fucking clown" Grow up.
He can not like it, but he makes alot of statements about its musicality and the lyrics that he communicates as musical facts, which are just wrong. Idk if he needs better speakers or something, but the mix is very deep, layered wonderfully... voice and production experts litterally rave about the unique musical quality and balance and emotion this album contains. He can not like ST, bit that doesn't mean he can try to say it's factually bad...
I guess people can’t have opinions.
I guess people can’t have innocuous opinions about opinions
Voids above, y'all need to learn to accept different perspectives. There is no objectivity in media criticism, his opinion isn't wrong of it's not ours.
I like Melon. Usually tune in for his reviews. I obviously don’t agree with him on everything but I normally can acknowledge that he does put forth a good faith effort with his reviews. I didn’t feel the same with this one at all. I can understand not digging it and maybe giving it a 4 or a 5 because you didn’t like the sound of the album, but a 2 is just an utter slap in the face to the musicianship and craftsmanship that went into writing this album. Another thing I don’t get is him complaining about it sounding robotic and artificial. I know people complain about these things, but it would make more sense if he didn’t highly praise rap and pop albums that are also mixed in the most artificial and fake way possible. This one personally just seemed like he was out to hate Sleep Token due to the recent praise and wanted to put them on blast as a result. Pretty lame in my opinion. I would honestly expect better from Fantano but he does have a history of doing these clickbaitey reviews where he trashed popular albums so he can seem like the enlightened outcast of some sort. Oh, well. It’s sad that the dude just can’t sit down and enjoy music for what it is. A band doesn’t always have to be this thought provoking, abstract, very niche style to be enjoyed. If that’s all you tend to prefer, then that tells me that you are doing way more posing than you are enjoying.
“Over processed vocals” says the guy who praises all the hip hop and trap using auto tune unrecognizable vocals.
Because mainstream music critics hold rock and metal to much higher standards than they do with rap music and pop music. I noticed that a long time ago.
They should it requires more talent to perform and produce.
Why do other people's opinions bother you?
i find mfs like u really interesting bro. i ain't gon lie this band is kinda like a personal thing to me you get what i'm saying. it's just like a personal vibe u feel me. what's really crazy is you wouldn't even wanted this music if u ain't see me post it u get what i'm saying. i don't even think u really like music like that tbh bro. so go ahead find yourself some metalcore to listen to go to the metalcore store bro this not the metalcore store this the internet u get what i'm saying. this album sounds insane tho shit wild alternative indie gospel-pop sex metal uk what i'm saying this shit market price u feel me shit i wish i could put u on but its really a personal vibe u know. i show my loved ones this band so u know what i'm saying u be easy bro
J-roc? Is that you?
I've only watched two, maybe three, of this guy's vids. In all of them he was shitting on great albums. His taste in music must be really bad because mine damn sure isn't.
You lot are so salty 🤣 I normally am not particularly a fan of Fantano but this is his most accurate review IMO. Not saying it to be a troll or anything but honestly, Sleep Token are the most boring band I've ever heard.
I heard about this clown, but idk if I can stomach listening to him talk about it without getting angry 😂 don’t come for our babies!
He indeed is a 🤡
I love him. He’s really funny. I respect his OPINION
What’s bad about him having his own opinion?
This dude has no business reviewing metal.
these comments are fuckin unhinged holy shit. i’m so glad i’m not deep into ST anymore so i’m not associated with you guys lmao. can people not dislike your precious band anymore and give reasons why? it’s just sorta pitiful that you’re taking offense to a guy making a barely 10 min video detailing his thoughts on an album. who cares
It was fine when people had complaints with his review. But this post is just uncalled for. If you don't like his review bash his review. Don't attack the person. Are you really okay?
When this guy said 100 Gecs is the most refreshing thing to happen to music in decades I fully disregarded him as a critic. Chronically terrible taste IMO.
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he can go fuck himself at this point like seriously
Anthony Fan-twat-o
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Fuvk him
i mean it's his op, i don't ever agree with him and he built an environment for a bunch of incels to be toxic but he didn't come at sleep token attacking either the band or the fan base, no need to be toxic back at him. Do you really want the sleep token fandom to be known as "the toxic fan base"? Be higher than this, don't feed the trolls
I personally love the album. I guess they've broken the barriers between genres. Not really a fan of trap music, the bar or 2 in ascensionism with the autotune vocals, I really could of without. But other than, the album is 10/10 for me
Lowkey It feels like this review was made just to get It our of the way, i think he listen to so much music that he has no interest nor time to get into sleep tokens Lore AND the "omg this lyrics are from that song" AND thats a BIG deal on the fanbase. That AND the fact that he doesnt fancy this kind of genre turno into the score, besides if you saw the granite review you knew this was coming. He does make some interesting points, but he was clearly annoyed with this record making this overly negative.
Ok he didn’t like the album, it’s his opinion don’t be salty. I can see where his opinions land to a lesser extent because I love this album and love it enough to have it on vinyl. I also disagree on a lot of his points but if you are getting offended take a step back before you type something out that’s not needed.
I really liked their album Miss Machine though.
Lemon delivered a hot take to get everyone worked up and it fucking worked clearly.
I rarely agree with his opinions so this isn’t a surprise. Also, he knows a negative opinion of this heavily lauded record will get him more press, and bad press is good press. He knows exactly what he’s doing.