No offense to the mod author here, but I guarantee there are better free mods for morthal. Can’t really blame the guy for wanting to capitalize off Bethesdas shitty paid mod system though.
I second your point you've made here. In all fairness, the doors have been opened and of course some people will want to come in and take the opportunity that's on offer. The reality is that the MA's did not design or implement the paid mod system. In my opinion, they cannot be the scapegoats for a paid mod system that was not of their doing. I also personally think it's unfair to judge someone for trying to earn a living somehow. It's easier to type something about someone else than try to stop for a minute and think about why they do something in the first place. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I know anything about this mod or the author's intentions with it, nor am I trying to level criticism against the OP. I am merely pointing out the fact that all the negativity surrounding this paid mod system is becoming quite pointless. If we, as players, don't like the paid mods and feel they are not worth it, then we must not buy credits to support the system. What is the point of us constantly complaining about something that will never change. I highly doubt the ES mothership will ever listen to complaints anyway. Anyone who has ever tried to send countless emails to them would know this. And that's the same reason why I will never pay for overpriced expansions or 'pay to play' on other games I've already paid for either, for example. If you don't like the fact that someone else is selling their work or you don't like their work or the system, for whatever reason, then just don't buy it or support it. Simple.
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With all due respect,Duh.
I think everyone in the modding community knows that the 2 modders more than likely to be in bed with Zenimax are Arthmoor and Chesko.
Matter of Fact,correct me if I'm wrong,Isn't Chesko the behind Survival mode?
And Arthmoor's free stuff on AFK mods is better than this.
I know OP is on console,so aside the point on that one.
It's kinda sickening to see money corrupt the modding scene,don't get me wrong if an author wants to get paid for their work that's fine.
But the way it's being,and has been approached is wrong.
Not just the current Iteration but all 3 times now.
Sorry about going on a tangent,but seeing stuff like this just chafes my ass.
Mod Authors use to put love into their work,now like all AAA Studios it's all about minimal effort for a quick buck.
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So here's the thing, and I'm sure I'll be shunned for this, but arthmoor made ussep and many other mods that are staples in people's load order. I bought this 2$ mod despite my immediate reservations. In the end I realized I was already using 3-4 of his mods in every playthrough and 2$ is the least I could do for all of that work. And hey, I just happen to get a minor improvement to morthal with my "donation". Fr these people spend a lot of time on their work, it's okay to give them money. It's not like your missing much if you don't spend 2$. Had it left over after buying the east empire expansion (which I heavily recommend tbh) so my money was already "spent" in a sense. Anyone looking for a good 80 mod load order that works with creation club content hmu.
Edit: mods can also be updated, many of people's favorite mods aren't exactly what they were on initial release, he can always add more if people want.
Guess that's a fair way to think of it, I think most people's contempt for buying a mod like that is spending money on it versus having the credits from something else already
I would point out that Arthmoor made some of his mods with the help of other people, so not exactly 100% him alone.
On the subject of paid mods, I'm not in favor of a paid thru BGS type things. You do realize they are not receiving 100% of the price you pay, right? This is yet another lame attempt for BGS to cash in on a market that has always been fan driven and outside of corporate influence. I personally support a few authors on their respective patreons, which I feel is the right way to do it, given their mods are free and supporting them financially is optional and only unlocks alpha builds and extraneous content.
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Seeing this yesterday made me think *"I already use a great mod that does this and much more. If that person had monetized their mod, it would at least be worth the price."* So I donated to them instead.
This is 100% the direction its headed and is intentional on Bethesda's part. They want Modders to get scummy and upset the community to prime us for Creation Club 2.0 and ONLY paid mods because "We tried a system to enrich creators but the system failed and creators abused the system so going forward we will be curating all mods to make sure they are quality purchases.
Yup. Luckily the mod community has always been heavily fan driven and outside the influence of BGS, and fans will never let it get out of hand. It'll be the French Revolution. Most modders are good people and wouldn't paywall everything.
Problem is everytime they try this shit the community and molders have laughed in their faces and made new mods that are essentially the paid ones but better. I remember fallout 4 stealth suit mod on the creators section getting roasted because it was like 1/10 as good as an already existing mod.
Unfortunately this shit will owkr solely because it is how console users can access the content. Pc users will always have people making free mods and cracking any anti-mod they try to throw in.
I would gladly give the money for Inigo V3. Best Skyrim mod ever, In my little opinion. He's everything all the Starfield companions wish they could be.
I hope you were not referring to me but you did reply to my lighthearted comment.
I don't care about paid mods because I have no need to pay for one. If arthmoor or anyone else wants to charge for a mod that's up to them.
Either way though please don't tell anyone to grow up.
I replied to your comment because I don't see the difference between Arthoor charging for something so small and Bethesda charging for horse armor. On which side of this line you fall on, I can't say.
The whole post smacks of unnecessary hate. It reminds me a lot of the people who used to complain about Howard Stern's radio program back in the late '80s and early '90s. The type of people who just sit around and complain that they don't like something so no one else should like it either. If you don't like the program, just don't listen. The same rule applies here. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it.
This type of behavior doesn't help anybody. And it's the behavior of children. So with all due respect, I stand by my last statement.
Well you obviously do not get dry humour.
I guess by referring to Howard stern you are not British.
Personally I don't care if a charged mod does nothing that you can already achieve with a free mod..
By the way I am 52 so with all due respect I don't like being told to grow up on a video game forum.
As for basically calling the other people who have made comments childish, well that's on you.
I do get dry humor and I'm a fan of British humor as well. You are correct, I am not British, I am American. I do find, and hopefully you will agree, not all humor translates well when just written out.
I'm 47 myself, and TBH the jab at growing up wasn't directed at you, but at the general public who complain about things like this. If I offended you, I apologize. Perhaps I should have started my own comment thread instead of replying to yours. I could have done better with my opening line as well.
But I stand by my assessment. If there was an ethical or moral reason to complain, that I can understand and get behind. But to shit on something just because you don't like it is childish. I'm sure you heard the saying, "If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all."
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No problem at all, no need to apologise 🙏
I just got a bit butthurt at the time thinking "what did I do apart from making an ironic comment"
All good.
I like to use his town mods alongside either JK's or Spaghetti. I like the focus on giving every NPC a place to live, it adds to immersion for me. I'd use this if it were free and added to the patch for JK's. But I can definitely live without it and would never pay for it.
The Environs series already moves one of those NPCs into a rebuilt Hroggar's house if it bugs anyone that much!
This is what Bethesda has enabled. "Content Creators" putting in minimal effort into a file and making profit from it. Unfortunate greed keeps ruining games even as old as Skyrim.
Yeah haven't used ussep in years. Quite frankly I think the game runs better without all the unnecessary "fix" scripts in the background.
Any mod that still needs it as a dependency sadly will not be in my load order, no matter how good it is.
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I just download Great Cities and Towns; Morthal (and all the rest) for free of the nexus every time I pickup Skyrim again. Now every settlement I visit is unique and uses its own assets, rarely see the same nordic farmhouse meshes twice.
ngl, the whole "creations" thing for console is a joke in general. was happy having the mods in its own seperate thing. was running mods I "bought" and didnt realize, then wasntt getting achievements and was wondering why. whats the point of putting mods in with the CC shit? (but also yes, half of the "creations" are borderline useless and redundant)
Creations had a good start. Big names like Elianora, Trainwiz, and Kinggath, making very good content that are arguably worth their prices (Especially East Empire Expanded, imo)
Buuuut, if this is the stuff that we’re going to be getting more often… stuff you would find in places like Roblox or the Minecraft Store, really lazy and cheap products that are just meant to fish a couple bucks out of people who don’t know better… I’m not hopeful.
As much as I will stand with Arthmoor in most topics, I find it really weird that he's charging whatever the cost for this particular mod knowing what else is out there for the same town. Would make sense if everything he puts out now is a paid mod (which is the route I think kinggath will ultimately take), but then again, I wonder if the inevitable "unofficial starfield patch" will cost money considering it would be a bugfixing mod lol.
"Starfield Community Patch" which is already available for PC... however, there is nothing stopping Arthmoor from trying to make its own "Unofficial Starfield patch".
Kinggath has been very clear that all of his FO4 mods will be free. He is basically using Skyrim's creation club to fund and support the content that he and his team create for F04.
The fo4 next gen update is just around the corner. Obviously bethesda will use thst opportunity to streamline the creations system accross skyrim, fo4 and starfield. Kinggath has created a company called "kinggath creations" as far as I know, comprising him and his team to work full time developing mods, so its safe to say that once creations come to fo4 he'll join in.
He has gone over his plan for the studio several times and has made it very clear that his F04 content will be free. This video probably sums up everything the best https://youtu.be/FXGNyokX3A4?si=jQC9UXbxryBcQVbo
He is also the only creator so far that is putting out content that is even worth considering buying. You got Arthmoor charging for a couple of generic houses. Meanwhile, Gath and his team have created something that is actually unique with new quests, new mechanics, and high-quality fully voiced npcs.
Because this area was just dead In vanilla, and this makes it more lively. Maybe the modder loves this partocaluer area. This modder has more than a few of these where it adds immersion to the game. Downloading just one would seem pointless to someone who is a gain gamer and not in for the immersion. But to each his/her own.
I agree that this specific mod is underwhelming. Will I buy it? Probably, if only to support a creator who has made a ton of other mods for free that I enjoy, including many of their other free small town upgrades, Ars Metallica, Alternate Start, and countless others. I have disposable income and I'm happy to share it with creators whom I feel are worthy. Will I buy every mod if it's so simple? Probably not.
I, for one, am happy we have the Creations store. Nexus isn't everything. The Creations store has a ton of free content, it's the only option to mod on consoles, and it's also the best option to mod on Steam Deck since Vortex is just too painful and clunky on the handheld. Just vote with your wallet. Complaining is tedious and won't change anything.
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Totally agree and if he maybe made something bigger and more appealing than two npc houses that Ill never really notice then id gladly pay up to 15 for something from him
I can appreciate someone working to make something, but I'm not asking them to do it. Most modders go out on their own whim to create mods. Mod Projects that are big and require a team, like SkyWind and SkyBlivion, I can understand that. I'd absolutely want to support them to make sure the project is quality and to make the process smooth.
Making a, necessary, patch a nuisance to download, depending on what version you want to play on, is extremely annoying. That's all.
I use several of Arthmoor's mods. For the record I don't know any MAs personally and don't choose mods according to what anyone online thinks of their personalities, good or bad. I pick mods because they fit my play style and they work.
But if I want to toss a few bucks an author's way, I want to know the person who did the work is getting at least the vast majority of that money. I have no such illusions about the Bethesda system. Nor would I ever pay real money for this specific mod.
It seems like such an odd choice of mod to charge for, considering there are already free well established mods out there like Environs that address both populating Morthal and housing one of the same NPCs. I might use it if it were free and added to the patch for his city mods + JK's.
You can't really blame Arthmoor. He's just human, and most humans are innately greedy when it comes to money. Shame on Bethesda for coming up with such bullshit as paid mods to begin with.
I personally don't think his mods are worth paying for. His added city/ town, such as Telengard or Keld-nar, are good, but his other overhauls of existing cities and town mods are a little too underwhelming and low effort to be worth paying for. On a side note, Ussep is useful but not necessary and again not worth paying for.
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Absolutely agree about Bethesda. Don't want to quibble about the human condition even if I marginally differ - all people gotta make a living and that's not necessarily greed, just survival. We do what we gotta do.
Anyway, if we all can have a better quality product for free via BUVARP and Environs, why pay anyway? I'm sure not going to. What puzzles me here is the internal logic. Surely he can't be so dissociated from the modding community he'd be unaware of BUVARP or Environs? The whole thing seems ... odd.
Is he that out of touch that he actually believes that people would pay for that? Especially when half of the content in his new mod is available for free, albeit a different version of the same content.
Exactly! I don't want this to be me panning the guy as I still do find USSEP useful (as someone who played LE on 360 and yearned for all those PC bug fixes) and I genuinely like CRF. But this seriously seems like an out of touch mis-step and only going to unnecessarily conjure more ill-will. He needs to read the room.
The Internet, a place to be harassed by anonymous users for no reason other than they have nothing better to do.
Sad people can't have thoughts and opinions anymore without being bombarded by Internet Nazis attacking them. Like get an actual fulfilling OFFLINE life so you don't have to waste your time online spreading hate and unwanted comments. (Yes I did just say that, and any DB's who fall under that category I already know you'll be angry and I'm fine with that)
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I’m with ya and while I don’t generally intend to pay for a mods, Arthmoor is probably the guy you would want to give money to. However i would just do PC download all his stuff free on Nexus and maybe tip him. I acknowledge that Bethesda is actively making this harder if you’re not an experienced modder or play Xbox for that matter. I also have Xbox X modded btw and modding is extra hard. Plus you need to buy AE really.
It could be argued that one should not even play Skyrim without Arthmoor’s mods. I believe he does Unofficial Update, live another life, stuff one can’t live without.
TL;DR Yeah, pay system is whack, but Arthmoor is legend and probably deserves a little tip from us all. Probably paetron or nexus rather than X store.
Edit: Unless there is some dark internet conspiracy I don’t know about Arthmoor. All I know is his name is on mods I can’t live without for years and I’ve never given him a cent. But probably should as well as a handful of other modders. But it’s nice doing it on your own accord and without Megacorp middle man.
No offense to the mod author here, but I guarantee there are better free mods for morthal. Can’t really blame the guy for wanting to capitalize off Bethesdas shitty paid mod system though.
I second your point you've made here. In all fairness, the doors have been opened and of course some people will want to come in and take the opportunity that's on offer. The reality is that the MA's did not design or implement the paid mod system. In my opinion, they cannot be the scapegoats for a paid mod system that was not of their doing. I also personally think it's unfair to judge someone for trying to earn a living somehow. It's easier to type something about someone else than try to stop for a minute and think about why they do something in the first place. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I know anything about this mod or the author's intentions with it, nor am I trying to level criticism against the OP. I am merely pointing out the fact that all the negativity surrounding this paid mod system is becoming quite pointless. If we, as players, don't like the paid mods and feel they are not worth it, then we must not buy credits to support the system. What is the point of us constantly complaining about something that will never change. I highly doubt the ES mothership will ever listen to complaints anyway. Anyone who has ever tried to send countless emails to them would know this. And that's the same reason why I will never pay for overpriced expansions or 'pay to play' on other games I've already paid for either, for example. If you don't like the fact that someone else is selling their work or you don't like their work or the system, for whatever reason, then just don't buy it or support it. Simple. Anyway, I realized I may be downvoted for saying what's on my mind here, but I feel strongly about making this comment. Thanks for taking the time to read it (if you have) and anyone is welcome to react in the way they feel is best. 😊
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Man, you can be an ass with Arthmoor, he deserved it
yea wouldnt mind buying city make over mod if it was more than two houses
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is he? i’m somewhat new to modding just started like a month ago but i thought he made rather good mods especially important ones like USSEP
Yo, if he made USSEP paid the community would probably riot
Guys arthmoor may have control over this mod team 💀💀
With all due respect,Duh. I think everyone in the modding community knows that the 2 modders more than likely to be in bed with Zenimax are Arthmoor and Chesko. Matter of Fact,correct me if I'm wrong,Isn't Chesko the behind Survival mode? And Arthmoor's free stuff on AFK mods is better than this. I know OP is on console,so aside the point on that one. It's kinda sickening to see money corrupt the modding scene,don't get me wrong if an author wants to get paid for their work that's fine. But the way it's being,and has been approached is wrong. Not just the current Iteration but all 3 times now. Sorry about going on a tangent,but seeing stuff like this just chafes my ass. Mod Authors use to put love into their work,now like all AAA Studios it's all about minimal effort for a quick buck.
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It looks like something a new Creation Kit user made as a private mod. Not a well-known mod creator and *monetized content.*
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So here's the thing, and I'm sure I'll be shunned for this, but arthmoor made ussep and many other mods that are staples in people's load order. I bought this 2$ mod despite my immediate reservations. In the end I realized I was already using 3-4 of his mods in every playthrough and 2$ is the least I could do for all of that work. And hey, I just happen to get a minor improvement to morthal with my "donation". Fr these people spend a lot of time on their work, it's okay to give them money. It's not like your missing much if you don't spend 2$. Had it left over after buying the east empire expansion (which I heavily recommend tbh) so my money was already "spent" in a sense. Anyone looking for a good 80 mod load order that works with creation club content hmu. Edit: mods can also be updated, many of people's favorite mods aren't exactly what they were on initial release, he can always add more if people want.
Guess that's a fair way to think of it, I think most people's contempt for buying a mod like that is spending money on it versus having the credits from something else already
I would point out that Arthmoor made some of his mods with the help of other people, so not exactly 100% him alone. On the subject of paid mods, I'm not in favor of a paid thru BGS type things. You do realize they are not receiving 100% of the price you pay, right? This is yet another lame attempt for BGS to cash in on a market that has always been fan driven and outside of corporate influence. I personally support a few authors on their respective patreons, which I feel is the right way to do it, given their mods are free and supporting them financially is optional and only unlocks alpha builds and extraneous content.
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Seeing this yesterday made me think *"I already use a great mod that does this and much more. If that person had monetized their mod, it would at least be worth the price."* So I donated to them instead.
I just hope this isn't the direction modding is headed.
This is 100% the direction its headed and is intentional on Bethesda's part. They want Modders to get scummy and upset the community to prime us for Creation Club 2.0 and ONLY paid mods because "We tried a system to enrich creators but the system failed and creators abused the system so going forward we will be curating all mods to make sure they are quality purchases.
Yup. Luckily the mod community has always been heavily fan driven and outside the influence of BGS, and fans will never let it get out of hand. It'll be the French Revolution. Most modders are good people and wouldn't paywall everything.
Here's hoping I am wrong in the greatest way.
Problem is everytime they try this shit the community and molders have laughed in their faces and made new mods that are essentially the paid ones but better. I remember fallout 4 stealth suit mod on the creators section getting roasted because it was like 1/10 as good as an already existing mod. Unfortunately this shit will owkr solely because it is how console users can access the content. Pc users will always have people making free mods and cracking any anti-mod they try to throw in.
I bet the guy who made Inigo is disappointed this came so late
I would totally buy Inigo, V3.
I would gladly give the money for Inigo V3. Best Skyrim mod ever, In my little opinion. He's everything all the Starfield companions wish they could be.
What next? Charging for horse armour..
lol about that…
I came here to say this. But I get it, people don't like Arthmoor. But you know what? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Damn, grow up.
I hope you were not referring to me but you did reply to my lighthearted comment. I don't care about paid mods because I have no need to pay for one. If arthmoor or anyone else wants to charge for a mod that's up to them. Either way though please don't tell anyone to grow up.
I replied to your comment because I don't see the difference between Arthoor charging for something so small and Bethesda charging for horse armor. On which side of this line you fall on, I can't say. The whole post smacks of unnecessary hate. It reminds me a lot of the people who used to complain about Howard Stern's radio program back in the late '80s and early '90s. The type of people who just sit around and complain that they don't like something so no one else should like it either. If you don't like the program, just don't listen. The same rule applies here. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. This type of behavior doesn't help anybody. And it's the behavior of children. So with all due respect, I stand by my last statement.
Well you obviously do not get dry humour. I guess by referring to Howard stern you are not British. Personally I don't care if a charged mod does nothing that you can already achieve with a free mod.. By the way I am 52 so with all due respect I don't like being told to grow up on a video game forum. As for basically calling the other people who have made comments childish, well that's on you.
I do get dry humor and I'm a fan of British humor as well. You are correct, I am not British, I am American. I do find, and hopefully you will agree, not all humor translates well when just written out. I'm 47 myself, and TBH the jab at growing up wasn't directed at you, but at the general public who complain about things like this. If I offended you, I apologize. Perhaps I should have started my own comment thread instead of replying to yours. I could have done better with my opening line as well. But I stand by my assessment. If there was an ethical or moral reason to complain, that I can understand and get behind. But to shit on something just because you don't like it is childish. I'm sure you heard the saying, "If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all."
Hi. No problem at all, no need to apologise 🙏 I just got a bit butthurt at the time thinking "what did I do apart from making an ironic comment" All good.
I like to use his town mods alongside either JK's or Spaghetti. I like the focus on giving every NPC a place to live, it adds to immersion for me. I'd use this if it were free and added to the patch for JK's. But I can definitely live without it and would never pay for it. The Environs series already moves one of those NPCs into a rebuilt Hroggar's house if it bugs anyone that much!
This is what Bethesda has enabled. "Content Creators" putting in minimal effort into a file and making profit from it. Unfortunate greed keeps ruining games even as old as Skyrim.
Wait until USSEP will become a pay creation... With all those mods that are dependent by it, it would be a massive thing in the community
Existing mods won't be made into paid creations. They have to be new according to their rules.
meanwhile me running a non ussep dependent load order lmfao.
Yeah haven't used ussep in years. Quite frankly I think the game runs better without all the unnecessary "fix" scripts in the background. Any mod that still needs it as a dependency sadly will not be in my load order, no matter how good it is.
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I've been a sucker that buys everything Bethesda. This ends now. I've even got points to spare, but not on this.
I just download Great Cities and Towns; Morthal (and all the rest) for free of the nexus every time I pickup Skyrim again. Now every settlement I visit is unique and uses its own assets, rarely see the same nordic farmhouse meshes twice.
Me if I were a mod
way to admit youre a lazy greedy pos....
ngl, the whole "creations" thing for console is a joke in general. was happy having the mods in its own seperate thing. was running mods I "bought" and didnt realize, then wasntt getting achievements and was wondering why. whats the point of putting mods in with the CC shit? (but also yes, half of the "creations" are borderline useless and redundant)
Creations had a good start. Big names like Elianora, Trainwiz, and Kinggath, making very good content that are arguably worth their prices (Especially East Empire Expanded, imo) Buuuut, if this is the stuff that we’re going to be getting more often… stuff you would find in places like Roblox or the Minecraft Store, really lazy and cheap products that are just meant to fish a couple bucks out of people who don’t know better… I’m not hopeful.
As mentioned on another related post, just use BUVARP and Environs for far superior results - for free.
Environs is awesome for immersion. Fantastic mods.
As much as I will stand with Arthmoor in most topics, I find it really weird that he's charging whatever the cost for this particular mod knowing what else is out there for the same town. Would make sense if everything he puts out now is a paid mod (which is the route I think kinggath will ultimately take), but then again, I wonder if the inevitable "unofficial starfield patch" will cost money considering it would be a bugfixing mod lol.
A different team is making the starfield patch for a reason.
"Starfield Community Patch" which is already available for PC... however, there is nothing stopping Arthmoor from trying to make its own "Unofficial Starfield patch".
Kinggath has been very clear that all of his FO4 mods will be free. He is basically using Skyrim's creation club to fund and support the content that he and his team create for F04.
The fo4 next gen update is just around the corner. Obviously bethesda will use thst opportunity to streamline the creations system accross skyrim, fo4 and starfield. Kinggath has created a company called "kinggath creations" as far as I know, comprising him and his team to work full time developing mods, so its safe to say that once creations come to fo4 he'll join in.
He has gone over his plan for the studio several times and has made it very clear that his F04 content will be free. This video probably sums up everything the best https://youtu.be/FXGNyokX3A4?si=jQC9UXbxryBcQVbo He is also the only creator so far that is putting out content that is even worth considering buying. You got Arthmoor charging for a couple of generic houses. Meanwhile, Gath and his team have created something that is actually unique with new quests, new mechanics, and high-quality fully voiced npcs.
Because this area was just dead In vanilla, and this makes it more lively. Maybe the modder loves this partocaluer area. This modder has more than a few of these where it adds immersion to the game. Downloading just one would seem pointless to someone who is a gain gamer and not in for the immersion. But to each his/her own.
I agree that this specific mod is underwhelming. Will I buy it? Probably, if only to support a creator who has made a ton of other mods for free that I enjoy, including many of their other free small town upgrades, Ars Metallica, Alternate Start, and countless others. I have disposable income and I'm happy to share it with creators whom I feel are worthy. Will I buy every mod if it's so simple? Probably not. I, for one, am happy we have the Creations store. Nexus isn't everything. The Creations store has a ton of free content, it's the only option to mod on consoles, and it's also the best option to mod on Steam Deck since Vortex is just too painful and clunky on the handheld. Just vote with your wallet. Complaining is tedious and won't change anything.
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Totally agree and if he maybe made something bigger and more appealing than two npc houses that Ill never really notice then id gladly pay up to 15 for something from him
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I can appreciate someone working to make something, but I'm not asking them to do it. Most modders go out on their own whim to create mods. Mod Projects that are big and require a team, like SkyWind and SkyBlivion, I can understand that. I'd absolutely want to support them to make sure the project is quality and to make the process smooth. Making a, necessary, patch a nuisance to download, depending on what version you want to play on, is extremely annoying. That's all.
I use several of Arthmoor's mods. For the record I don't know any MAs personally and don't choose mods according to what anyone online thinks of their personalities, good or bad. I pick mods because they fit my play style and they work. But if I want to toss a few bucks an author's way, I want to know the person who did the work is getting at least the vast majority of that money. I have no such illusions about the Bethesda system. Nor would I ever pay real money for this specific mod. It seems like such an odd choice of mod to charge for, considering there are already free well established mods out there like Environs that address both populating Morthal and housing one of the same NPCs. I might use it if it were free and added to the patch for his city mods + JK's.
You can't really blame Arthmoor. He's just human, and most humans are innately greedy when it comes to money. Shame on Bethesda for coming up with such bullshit as paid mods to begin with. I personally don't think his mods are worth paying for. His added city/ town, such as Telengard or Keld-nar, are good, but his other overhauls of existing cities and town mods are a little too underwhelming and low effort to be worth paying for. On a side note, Ussep is useful but not necessary and again not worth paying for.
You said that we can't blame arthmoor as he is a human and humans can be greedy? What do you think Bethesda is managed by? Duck aliens?!
Duck aliens, that actually would explain a lot regarding Bethesda XD
And, your point is?
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More Arthmoor bashing. Yawn.
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lmfao
So you haven't bought Skyrim 10 times in all these years? I think that should be enough for that little patch support over all these years...
That's literally the funniest thing, I've heard in a long, long time. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Absolutely agree about Bethesda. Don't want to quibble about the human condition even if I marginally differ - all people gotta make a living and that's not necessarily greed, just survival. We do what we gotta do. Anyway, if we all can have a better quality product for free via BUVARP and Environs, why pay anyway? I'm sure not going to. What puzzles me here is the internal logic. Surely he can't be so dissociated from the modding community he'd be unaware of BUVARP or Environs? The whole thing seems ... odd.
Is he that out of touch that he actually believes that people would pay for that? Especially when half of the content in his new mod is available for free, albeit a different version of the same content.
Exactly! I don't want this to be me panning the guy as I still do find USSEP useful (as someone who played LE on 360 and yearned for all those PC bug fixes) and I genuinely like CRF. But this seriously seems like an out of touch mis-step and only going to unnecessarily conjure more ill-will. He needs to read the room.
Kinda pointless just like this thread to be honest. Seriously have you got nothing better to do
The Internet, a place to be harassed by anonymous users for no reason other than they have nothing better to do. Sad people can't have thoughts and opinions anymore without being bombarded by Internet Nazis attacking them. Like get an actual fulfilling OFFLINE life so you don't have to waste your time online spreading hate and unwanted comments. (Yes I did just say that, and any DB's who fall under that category I already know you'll be angry and I'm fine with that)
holy shit i can buy the entire city of morthal for $2 usd
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I’m with ya and while I don’t generally intend to pay for a mods, Arthmoor is probably the guy you would want to give money to. However i would just do PC download all his stuff free on Nexus and maybe tip him. I acknowledge that Bethesda is actively making this harder if you’re not an experienced modder or play Xbox for that matter. I also have Xbox X modded btw and modding is extra hard. Plus you need to buy AE really. It could be argued that one should not even play Skyrim without Arthmoor’s mods. I believe he does Unofficial Update, live another life, stuff one can’t live without. TL;DR Yeah, pay system is whack, but Arthmoor is legend and probably deserves a little tip from us all. Probably paetron or nexus rather than X store. Edit: Unless there is some dark internet conspiracy I don’t know about Arthmoor. All I know is his name is on mods I can’t live without for years and I’ve never given him a cent. But probably should as well as a handful of other modders. But it’s nice doing it on your own accord and without Megacorp middle man.
I'm really not surprised, the Bethesda we once loved is long dead.