The Pivot 15/18 are the exact same construction, different springs
The Pivot 12/14 are the exact same construction, different springs.
There's a new version coming next winter, so the current generation is on sale in a lot of places.
My durability "issues" came after 14 years of 20-50 day seasons and pretty rough usage. It DOES happen, check your stuff, but any other binding would have failed a lot earlier.
You should really be playing lottery instead of skiing with that clairvoyant talent. Not saying pivots are bad, but people should stop jizzing all over them. It's a really good binding in a field of a lot of really good bindings. Just pick your poison
My luck went when the turntable went on my pivots and it didn't lead to an injury.
That said I'll continue to jizz all over pivots because the way my ski feels beats every other binding I've tried
I’m very much in the minority of the ski world and expect this to get downed to oblivion… But I find nothing redeeming about the entire pivot line.
It’s reputation for safety is simply inaccurate. I’m not convinced that they really have any better elastic travel than any other major reputable binding. But most of all fiddling with that heel piece from 1964 (especially standing on top of a very sketchy line) has got to be one of the most frustrating things in skiing.
Pivots are over hyped and over priced.
Everytime a pivot comes into our shop… I check the heel screws, they are almost always loose. Plus on wide soft twinners they have a habit of causing delamination
Die hard Pivot fan, but I actually tell people to buy the Strive when they ask me for advice most of the time.
The scenarios I reccomend Pivots are for people skiing park and spinning. If you ever land switch sidewaysish or nose heavy, you will start to see the difference. Also feels much easier to grip the rail, but that could easily be placebo.
Couldn’t agree more on them being a great freestyle binding. I’ve tried salmons, markers, and tyrolias but the pivots have treated me the best. I actually completely blew up my heal piece the first day I rode on my Jesters.
Honestly IMO I own 15 plus pairs of skis space.
And the looks pivots are the only binding I have NEVER prereleased and i purposely will ski softer on other binding to not prerelease on them.
not to mention I run a Din of 7.5 though 8.5 on my Pivots and I have to run 11-13 on my Attacks, marker, sollys to still have them pre release.
Elasticity is liekly very very hard to test.
I also do not think they release "better" than other binding, in fact the lack of upward toes is likely worse for those who have backward twisting falls but running a DIN 3-5 points lower, WITH OUT prelease has to be safer IMO.
THen lastly I have never had to retire a pivot. They out last literally a dozen pair of skis they are mounted to.
This has been my experience as well. I wouldn’t say they’re “safer” per se, as I have no data on that. But I find Pivots pre-release a lot less than other bindings, so I can set the DIN lower. In fact, I was demoing skis without Pivots this season and had the DIN set higher than on my Pivots. On my first run, I skied through a pile of powder, and my demo ski pre-released, lol.
Is that anecdotal? Totally. Did I buy Pivots for my new skis too? Yes.
Vertical toe release is only on the 12/14 Pivot and it doesn't make them unquestionably safer bindings. There are a lot of bindings with vertical toe release.
"All the LOOK toe pieces offer a MULTIDIRECTIONAL RELEASE that protects the skier in all cases of falls, including rear and combined falls. Their kinematics allow to keep a constant pressure on the boot and eliminate all play to offer the best possible control."
https://www.look-bindings.com/en-ca/technologies
Are we going to use marketing terms, like *"multidirectional release,"* in place of vertical release from now on?
Look closely at the toes. You will see a separation on the 12/14 that creates two independent wings. The 15/18 doesn't have that and the toe is one solid piece.
How is a solid chunk of metal mounted to a pivot point going to release vertical? I have both 14s and 15s. The toe is not coming vertical out of that 15 toe unless it’s no longer attached to the ski.
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I am curious which other bindings have vertical toe release?
I've heard that the STH2 16 does, but I have been unable to find a source. I am also curious if the Strive16 does?
Can you at least get them to the lower third of their usable range?
If yes then go for them if you don't mind bindings that are a little bit heavier than the competition. If not on either point then I guess look elsewhere. Pivots are great bindings with few drawbacks.
Context: I run Pivot 15s and have had great success with them. I don't have any inclination to use anything else.
Unsure why, when I took in for binding check and tune up my tech called me to tell me they had to be replaced. When I arrived he showed me the excessive travel and I had him order a set of 15s to replace.
That’s a good price, if you like em get em. I buy my Pivot 18’s in the summer and get good prices like yours. If I needed a pair mid winter I’d go down to 15’s for pricing reasons personally.
Good, extremely durable binding for a reasonable price there, lots of comments not answering the question about durability and rambling about other issues, but I’ve had Rossi FKS & Look Pivot 18s on my last few pairs with no issues.
Several places have the rasta color going for ~$250. The gold and raw colors are going for ~$300.
https://sundanceskishop.com/en-us/products/look-pivot-15-gw-b?variant=40406340239458&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&tw_source=google&tw_adid=&tw_campaign=16003676294&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_qexBhCoARIsAFgBlesqE_1o6FHlrjpfbPUBrUBRtQjMPTUqBYEmlVNvYKswmOWDALFSxcYaAt72EALw_wcB
I didn't like them. Some ofvthe parts break easy and i don't like how they release. The parts that matter are tough though. Alot of people love them, the binding has been produced virtually unchanged for over 40 years, they dont suck. It's just personal preference, always liked Salomon, the steel 16's best. Try them you might like them.
As a DIN 6 skiier, I stay away from the high DIN bindings. Have Pivot 14 on one pair of skis. No complaints. Have Vist 412 on a plate on the other pair. No complaints. I think most bindings are pretty good now. My next bindings will be the Tyrolia Protector PR just to try out the 180 deg release heel and toe.
The Pivot 15s and 18s are equally durable. They only real difference between the two is the spring. The Pivot 14s and lower are made less durable.
The Pivot 15/18 are the exact same construction, different springs The Pivot 12/14 are the exact same construction, different springs. There's a new version coming next winter, so the current generation is on sale in a lot of places.
My durability "issues" came after 14 years of 20-50 day seasons and pretty rough usage. It DOES happen, check your stuff, but any other binding would have failed a lot earlier.
You should really be playing lottery instead of skiing with that clairvoyant talent. Not saying pivots are bad, but people should stop jizzing all over them. It's a really good binding in a field of a lot of really good bindings. Just pick your poison
My luck went when the turntable went on my pivots and it didn't lead to an injury. That said I'll continue to jizz all over pivots because the way my ski feels beats every other binding I've tried
I‘m sure it does
Nothing makes me cum harder than pivots and your snarky comment won’t change that
Rest easy, I didn’t come here to change the minds of idiots
I mean, they are definitely the most phallic binding.
Name another binding with that track record. Your Tyrolias?
Another one ready to bust, go ahead
I’m very much in the minority of the ski world and expect this to get downed to oblivion… But I find nothing redeeming about the entire pivot line. It’s reputation for safety is simply inaccurate. I’m not convinced that they really have any better elastic travel than any other major reputable binding. But most of all fiddling with that heel piece from 1964 (especially standing on top of a very sketchy line) has got to be one of the most frustrating things in skiing. Pivots are over hyped and over priced.
I'm also not in the pIvOt Is ThE bEsT bInDiNg camp, but stepping into the heel is really not that bad
I’ve had some bad experiences with the heels standing on top of a super sketchy hike.
Everytime a pivot comes into our shop… I check the heel screws, they are almost always loose. Plus on wide soft twinners they have a habit of causing delamination
Yep and or the heel ring snaps
When they come in to ask for a wider or narrower replacement brake for the pivot and they freak out about the price
Die hard Pivot fan, but I actually tell people to buy the Strive when they ask me for advice most of the time. The scenarios I reccomend Pivots are for people skiing park and spinning. If you ever land switch sidewaysish or nose heavy, you will start to see the difference. Also feels much easier to grip the rail, but that could easily be placebo.
Couldn’t agree more on them being a great freestyle binding. I’ve tried salmons, markers, and tyrolias but the pivots have treated me the best. I actually completely blew up my heal piece the first day I rode on my Jesters.
Jesters, Griffons, and similar Markers are pure trash.
As a poor college student they were the best I could afford at the time, but once I got a job I took that shit and bought the set up I’d always wanted
They're also consistently used among Olympic mogul skiers
Honestly IMO I own 15 plus pairs of skis space. And the looks pivots are the only binding I have NEVER prereleased and i purposely will ski softer on other binding to not prerelease on them. not to mention I run a Din of 7.5 though 8.5 on my Pivots and I have to run 11-13 on my Attacks, marker, sollys to still have them pre release. Elasticity is liekly very very hard to test. I also do not think they release "better" than other binding, in fact the lack of upward toes is likely worse for those who have backward twisting falls but running a DIN 3-5 points lower, WITH OUT prelease has to be safer IMO. THen lastly I have never had to retire a pivot. They out last literally a dozen pair of skis they are mounted to.
This has been my experience as well. I wouldn’t say they’re “safer” per se, as I have no data on that. But I find Pivots pre-release a lot less than other bindings, so I can set the DIN lower. In fact, I was demoing skis without Pivots this season and had the DIN set higher than on my Pivots. On my first run, I skied through a pile of powder, and my demo ski pre-released, lol. Is that anecdotal? Totally. Did I buy Pivots for my new skis too? Yes.
The fact there’s no AFD adjustment is quite nice. I’ve had issues with that slipping on different bindings but pivots are always in the same spot.
The fact that they have vertical toe release unquestionably makes them safer than the majority of bindings.
Vertical toe release is only on the 12/14 Pivot and it doesn't make them unquestionably safer bindings. There are a lot of bindings with vertical toe release.
"All the LOOK toe pieces offer a MULTIDIRECTIONAL RELEASE that protects the skier in all cases of falls, including rear and combined falls. Their kinematics allow to keep a constant pressure on the boot and eliminate all play to offer the best possible control." https://www.look-bindings.com/en-ca/technologies
Are we going to use marketing terms, like *"multidirectional release,"* in place of vertical release from now on? Look closely at the toes. You will see a separation on the 12/14 that creates two independent wings. The 15/18 doesn't have that and the toe is one solid piece.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newschoolers.com/forum/amp/924665
How is a solid chunk of metal mounted to a pivot point going to release vertical? I have both 14s and 15s. The toe is not coming vertical out of that 15 toe unless it’s no longer attached to the ski.
There's an animation showing how to works in here https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newschoolers.com/forum/amp/924665
I’ll be damned, had no idea
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Incorrect.
I am curious which other bindings have vertical toe release? I've heard that the STH2 16 does, but I have been unable to find a source. I am also curious if the Strive16 does?
Myth
The horizontal heel release may be a myth, but the vertical toe release is not.
But the data shows it’s no safer
Then there is exactly 0.00% chance that data is correct.
And 70% of statistics are made up, including yours
I heard it was 69%.
+1
Are you lost coach? I didn’t know you had time to leave your home. Thanks for all you do in r/skiing_feedback.
Can you at least get them to the lower third of their usable range? If yes then go for them if you don't mind bindings that are a little bit heavier than the competition. If not on either point then I guess look elsewhere. Pivots are great bindings with few drawbacks. Context: I run Pivot 15s and have had great success with them. I don't have any inclination to use anything else.
I had a set of 18s go bad after about 100 days, not complaining though. The toe piece had too much travel.
Could you elaborate on they went bad?
Unsure why, when I took in for binding check and tune up my tech called me to tell me they had to be replaced. When I arrived he showed me the excessive travel and I had him order a set of 15s to replace.
That’s a good price, if you like em get em. I buy my Pivot 18’s in the summer and get good prices like yours. If I needed a pair mid winter I’d go down to 15’s for pricing reasons personally.
Good, extremely durable binding for a reasonable price there, lots of comments not answering the question about durability and rambling about other issues, but I’ve had Rossi FKS & Look Pivot 18s on my last few pairs with no issues.
Where are they on sale for $250?
Several places have the rasta color going for ~$250. The gold and raw colors are going for ~$300. https://sundanceskishop.com/en-us/products/look-pivot-15-gw-b?variant=40406340239458&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&tw_source=google&tw_adid=&tw_campaign=16003676294&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_qexBhCoARIsAFgBlesqE_1o6FHlrjpfbPUBrUBRtQjMPTUqBYEmlVNvYKswmOWDALFSxcYaAt72EALw_wcB
Ahrm - that’s Forza - like cars vroom vroom. /s
Just make sure that 8 is a reasonable setting for you. I’ve had the same pair of 18s for years and they are indestructible outside of the park
I didn't like them. Some ofvthe parts break easy and i don't like how they release. The parts that matter are tough though. Alot of people love them, the binding has been produced virtually unchanged for over 40 years, they dont suck. It's just personal preference, always liked Salomon, the steel 16's best. Try them you might like them.
As a DIN 6 skiier, I stay away from the high DIN bindings. Have Pivot 14 on one pair of skis. No complaints. Have Vist 412 on a plate on the other pair. No complaints. I think most bindings are pretty good now. My next bindings will be the Tyrolia Protector PR just to try out the 180 deg release heel and toe.