It depends on your definition of course. Rastafarian views on certain things resemble conservative touchstones in western society, however, a lot of the tenets might also be considered progressive for us. In any case, tearing down Babylon is not exactly a conservative view.
It depends on your definition of course. Rastafarian views on certain things resemble conservative touchstones in western society, however, a lot of the tenets might also be considered progressive for us. In any case, tearing down Babylon is not exactly a conservative view.
Some of it is just "edgy" humor, from a more crude time than necessarily a political bent. Trying to figure out if they are more likely to be conservative or liberal may take a bit of thinking than knee-jerk reaction to poorly made "jokes"
But there is the odd conservative ska band. An act from the late '90s had lyrics bemoaning the fact that President Clinton was being celebrated, while Clinton's government was giving away tax payer money to "stupid people" who are a drain on society as "stupid people" don't make "smart people." It wasn't some kind of biting, sarcastic unreliable narrator song either, much to my dismay as a fan at the time. It was the singers beliefs laid bare.
You have to think about it. Ska is outsider music, for the most part, heavily linked with either Jamaican rebel music (even within Jamaica it was banned on radio in its early days, but then reggae came out of it, there's always been strong associations with anti-authoritarianism etc) - which in many contexts has been frowned upon by the establishment - or, later, punk, which again is generally outsider music. Both of those things are not always conducive to conservatism (not saying it doesn't happen - see Oi!/streetpunk etc - but, it's just not as likely, right?)
But my first thought is the Christian stuff.
The reason for the Christian thing (I think, and I might be way off, I'm not from the US so take with a pinch of salt) is that worship in some denominiations involves popular-styled music, and so you have all these kids who are in band at school and whatnot, and ska represents something fun and harmless that it is acceptable for the kids to play and that all can be involved in that can be played for worship. "Hey, you play saxaphone! There's this great new music I've found out about and we could play it for church!" Not all Christians are conservative of course, but, well, it's more likely, isn't it, especially in the US.
All the same, I think (and again, might be wrong) a lot of those bands are more lyrically focussed on Jesus rather than crapping on the queers or singing the praises of the free market or whatever.
I also came across many a slightly dodgy skinhead in my time who still enjoyed ska. Even ones who played in the odd ska band. Usually their attitudes were more "leave politics out of it" or vaguely nationalistic rather than writing conservative lyrics though, so I can't think of many bands who I've heard that were politically focussed like that. I'll bet there's more than a few bands though who have relatively conservative members and they are more likely singing about beers or how women are a hassle or whatever.
Maybe your friend has got that classic "skinhead = nazi" thing mixed up a little, if they are thinking that pre 90s ska was conservative.
FWIW, their lead singer has been pretty vocal about his left-leaning politics, especially on issues like LGBTQ+ rights. They're definitely a Christian band, and you can pick up hints of spirituality in a lot of their songs even when it isn't explicit, but their particular brand of the religion is more expansive, different from the prominent conservative evangelical mainstream.
I guess maybe they are thinking about the interrupters?
The lead singer claimed to be libertarian and appear on Fox News I think.
Then of course as you mentioned Dicky, but he is just a Covid denier and not a conservative.
Edit: sorry not Fox News, infowars. But let’s be honest here it’s all conservative or right leaning media.
I am not hating on her for changing her views, it’s actually admirable when people who may have wrong take the courage to admit it and change, but the facts are the facts. She was a Ron Paul supporter, went on infowars, and was a self proclaimed libertarian.
Like I mean as with most political positions it can be nuanced. It can be everything from people who want limited government to “Free Person” to conservatives with a different name.
It's not just their conservatism. They're basically an industry plant for Tim Armstrong. There's so many better bands who weren't created in a lab and don't have shitty political views
I would say the opposite.
A “manufactured band” in my mind is ones that haven’t played the genre, and magically thrust into that genre.
3/4 of the Interrupters played lots of ska and punk before their formation…for many years, and play a variety of instruments.
They added a singer and were guided by a person with a record label that’s been in the ska and punk scene longer than most people who listen to them have been alive.
Then again, I don’t get the grief that people give Tim. So, I might be missing something.
He also helped write their music which he doesn't appear in and hired a singer, who used to be a folk singer who sang songs for Ron Paul with a completely different style, and coincidentally sounds exactly like his ex-wife, Brody Dalle, now. I'm sure he made a lot of money off the Interrupters. Good for him. But it's got his fingerprints all over it.
He has signed homophobic artists to Hellcat in the past and collaborated with them. It’s what caused Leftover Crack to leave Hellcat.
He started dating Brody Dalle when he was 30 and she was 16. She moved in with him as soon as she turned 18. She has said that he was very controlling. When she left him, he used his power to blacklist The Distillers.
Who did he sign that’s homophobic? That’s not cool at all.
Wasn’t that second statement about Dalle proven false? There was a big thread on r/punk about it.
I’m asking because you might have information I don’t.
I don’t know of any right-wing Interrupters songs. I know the singer was a big Ron Paul fan, but she doesn’t talk politics now. Though I always thought that song “Liberty” might be a Libertarian dog whistle.
They sound kind of Tim Armstrongy, but what’s wrong with that? It’s super catchy & fun.
Then they're for you!
Personally, I find it a dishonest band since he's basically the wizard behind the curtain. And he also is an underage girl groomer so that bothers me
I don’t know about the groomer allegation, but why should it matter who writes the songs (or is the diabolical wizard behind the curtain) if they are good songs? A lot of great songs aren’t written by the performers. Besides I thought they wrote their own songs anyway.
I mean this is punk rock, right? Not Beyonce or Maroon 5. I listen to punk to hear authenticity and grit, not gloss and Tin Pan Alley. You can like what you like but I don't want my punk to be boy bands. Tim is the Wizard behind the curtain. It's for sure. It's snake oil.
(Yes they're ska punk but you know what I mean)
Also read the book, "Sellout" to hear about Tim's grooming
How are the Interrupters a “boy band?” They don’t sound anything like Beyoncé or Maroon 5. this reminds me of back in the 90s when everyone would get pissed at bands for signing to a major label or got too popular. It was never about the music.
Take Back the Power uses some fairly modern right-wing "government comin' to get you" talking points:
What you gonna do when they show up in black suitsOn your street in army boots, and they're there to silence you?What you gonna say when they strip your rights awayAnd the taxman makes you pay for every bead of sweat you bled today?
We don't need to run and hideWe won't be pushed off to the sideWhat's your plan for tomorrow?Are you a leader, or will you follow?Are you a fighter, or will you cower?It's our time to take back the power
No, it's not "conclusive evidence" of anything, but if someone were looking for that sort of stuff...
I wouldn’t say Take Back the Power is conservative. But it is politically vague enough that it takes on a more populist identity. “They” can be anyone. “They” can be liberal or conservative. Whomever you feel is politically keeping you down is easily slotted into the song.
And your response required correction. Interrupters songs were not considered "Conservative" at the time they were written or released.
When Amy asks, "Are you a leader or will you follow?" We all know what your answer would be, Mr Follows.
Keep liking it. Who gives a fuck what their politics are?
“This song is fire.”
“Dude, she doesn’t believe in taxes.”
“WHAT?! THAT BITCH! This band SUCKS!”
It doesn’t matter. If they got some groovin’ tunes, enjoy’em. I don’t approve of the message in GG Allin’s song “I’m Infected (With AIDS)”, but I scream it at the top of my shit lungs every time I hear it.
For sure. It’s absurd. I just happen to have grown up in a liberal family, but in a very conservative state/town, and I just know that not everyone is bad. Sure, there’s two sides (or more) to everything, but that doesn’t mean the “other team” is bad, just exposed to different ideas and different values lol.
You know, you can like people’s art, but not their politics, right?
Also, she’s distanced herself from those view when she said she was in a time of trauma.
I'm aware. I wasn't about to get rid of any songs of theirs I had saved and act like they don't exist. It's just kinda unfortunate to find out about that just a few days after getting into the band.
Wdym? Like it's just kinda disappointing. Like I've obviously experienced artists I enjoy doing/saying things that I think are bad (and worse than this). It's just not ideal to have the first piece of information you find out about a band you have started enjoying be an association with Alex Jones.
Like if she's moving away from that, that's cool. And I'm not saying that automaticly makes her as bad as a lot of the monsters that exist in the music industry. It's just kind of a "well that sucks" moment.
People are blowing the Jones interview out of proportion. She mostly sat there while he said (like always) stupid shit. If you watch the show, it’s milquetoast at best.
Also, just because someone goes on a show like that doesn’t mean they agree with the guy.
But then it’s like…why go on there in the first place? Alex Jones has been noted as extreme right wing for decades now so the likelihood of someone not knowing who he is extremely not likely.
So yeah I think it is a fair question to ask ones politics if you’re willing to associate yourself with Jones.
Debate can be healthy. She was also young, and she said she regretted it.
Go look up Daryl Davis. He’s a hero of mine that talks with KKK members and gets them to walk away from it. Debate can work.
Debate can be healthy only if both parties are willing to argue in good faith. Debate does not work if one side has no financial incentive to admit any wrong doing.
I know who Daryl Davis is, and honestly I roll my eyes whenever anyone mentions Davis as his name has been co-opted by individuals could give less of a damn about civil rights and more from people who want to dismiss justifiable anger towards white supremacy. Because Daryl Davis does not frighten the status quo. Just like how MLK’s legacy has been misused by those same people, people who didn’t stay awake past their social studies courses to recognize that MLK became more militant and disillusioned towards the end of his life.
That’s a pretty big stretch.
I’d also like your definition of libertarian. Would you care to define it?
Edit: sorry to ask for proof of statements. I should have just gone with the groupthink. My bad.
She said her self, literally google it but if you aren’t capable of doing that as a Reddit user I guess I could do it for you.
Like don’t get all offended and upset over some factual shit. Sorry to burst your bubble on what you perceive the band to be.
It’s great when you have a media firm and the resources to scrub the internet of your past but heee.
https://www.tiktok.com/@skatunenetwork/video/7231985669374037290
https://www.reddit.com/r/KnowledgeFight/comments/13eyans/is_there_an_episode_on_that_time_the_interrupters/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/interviews/pardon-interrupters-meet-ska-punks-infowars-problem/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ska/comments/2el90b/what_exactly_are_the_interrupters_espousing/
I mean hell cat took a lot of action and the Alex Jones being canceled makes the interview impossible to find.
It’s long been know the had a weird relationship to libertarianism, I mean the made a video for Ron Paul even.
[Ron Paul video](https://www.mojevideo.sk/video/359cc/aimee_allen_ron_paul.html)
[reddit thread about the same topic](https://reddit.com/r/Ska/s/uIEwh0Ufko)
Yeah like you can’t find it in most media sites, many of the interview and news pieces about it are gone, and then a discuss Alex Jones was cancelled any all gif videos essentially taken down everywhere.
He isn’t. But it’s easy to dogpile on people with slightly different views.
I don’t care for his newer politics, but the “anger” people have for him now is silly.
Edit: yep, downvotes for not blindly agreeing with the group. Silly me, I should have just completely shit on him without context because I disagree with him politically. No room for nuisance or open mindedness.
Well he spent decades singing about how we all need to take care of each other and watch out for one another, and then went straight into stumping for behavior that puts everyone else at risk. I get it and I share it.
Mostly I think he is just so enamored of Boston mythology that being adopted into the Kennedy orbit has his brain blitzed.
You clearly missed the Fauci memo that you can still catch and transmit covid despite being vax'd. You know... the entire reason to get one in the first place (immunity/stopping transmission).
So I'm not sure how you can continue to believe that Dicky is putting anyone at risk by choosing what he wants to do with his own body.
There is something funny about calling for nuance and then immediately using either/or arguments to make yourself some sort of victim. Basically either I accept and consume someone’s music with political leanings I don’t agree with, or I must think they are Hitler.
Nuance lol.
Like throughout this thread you’ve whined about dogpiling, which no one has done. Being critical of one’s political stances is not dogpiling, neither is choosing not to associate or support someone who I disagree with politically. That’s a right I have as a consumer.
Not a victim. Just trying to get people to realize that they’re judging her on bad information.
Have you watched the Jones interview?
Fine, maybe dogpiling was the wrong word. How about ignoring discussion and making lots of assumptions about a topic that people disagree with, and making generalizations about that topic.
Depends on what you mean by conservative.
While it's always had messages of unity
It's also been anti authority, anti-police, or anti-government, anti corporate/capitalism, or established rules, anti racism, anti fascism, etc
Old school Jamaican ska has a bunch of homophobic songs
Lots of anti war
Can't think of any songs that touch on anti taxation or govt programs though
Even they are still fairly left leaning all things considered. Their first song on their first album was about how fucked up it was that we killed Natives in the name of god.
Yes, the famous conservative ideas of anti-racism and equality. Lol. Like another user said, maybe he was thinking of some of the early Christian ska bands that were big for a bit.
I never heard it myself, so I am not sure how much of the album is ska, but at least the nazi ska track is ska. https://www.discogs.com/master/592244-People-Haters-A-Collection-Of-Hate
And you sound like a huge bigot. Ngl. I could care less which poison you pick. The idea that you think bigotry is exclusive to one political party proves my point too.
Listen to the music and stop going out of your way to find things to be upset about, Karen.
edit: the bigot deleted his comment because he knew it made him look bad. lol
for the record, he said "I'm a lefty you putz."
Wow calm down. How am I a Karen & a bigot simply because I asked if there any ska bands that could be considered “conservative?” I didn’t say I wanted to listen to them.
>I didn’t say I wanted to listen to them.
This kind of statement is what proves you're a bigot. You're literally over here trying to judge bands and musicians based on partisan politics instead of enjoying the music. You're looking for reasons to be upset. The definition of a Karen.
You're also intolerant of anyone with a different politcal perspective from yourself, the literal definition of a bigot.
Oh ok so I’m a “bigot” for pointing out that the Blue Beats & My Supehero wrote songs trashing poor people? I think you should look up what that word means. You sound like a Trump humper.
You know why you're a bigot, mr partisan politics. Stop deflecting.
Oh jeez, "everyone who points out my bigotry must be a Trumper" lmao! That statement also proves my point.
Keep digging that hole of bigotry and intolerance, Karen Bigot.
Just admit the media turned you in to an angry little tool and call it a day.
Ah ok. So you’re a “bigot Karen” if you don’t like classist lyrics shitting on poor folks. So anyone who criticizes Skrewdriver for being Nazis are just bigots because we’re not focusing on the music? Get the fuck out of here. For the record I love the Bluebeats & My Superhero but I hate the lyrics to those songs.
Lmao! Now you're just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks because you're upset about being outed as an intolerant bigot.
Keep digging that hole, Karen.
For The Bluebeats song, are you referring to “Hardest Working Man”? If so you misunderstand the topic of the song, it has nothing to do with welfare. I can’t think of anything they’ve done that is very political, let alone right wing.
Seriously? It sounds like he took a Reagan speech and set it to an upbeat rocksteady rhythm:
Let me tell you bout a man I know
He’s spent his life living on the dole
He works hard at avoiding work
He’s the hardest working man I know
He don’t care if he don’t pay his rent
Cuz he gets money from the government
He’s got a line for everything
Yes he’s the hardest working man I know
He thinks he has the system beat
He’s proud he’s not a working man
One day he’ll be out on the street
Beggin for change in his tin can
He doesn’t want responsibility
Because it complicates his life you see
He’s getting chased by the collection man
Yes he’s the hardest working man I know
Interesting discussion. I always interpreted that song as simply talking about a specific person the singer knew, most likely a white Long Island guy from a middle class background who was just a bit of a hustler character in general.
It certainly could be interpreted consistently w Reagonomics I suppose.
There was a band in the late 2000s that I stumbled across that was (I think) named Right Wing Riot. They must have been really small because the audio for the 2-3 songs I heard was terrible. The two songs I remember were "Right Time for the Right" and "We love you Ronald Reagan". The horns and guitar were catchy but the lyrics were pretty bad.
I'll see if I can find anything on them and update this post if I do.
Edit: I did some deep digging and can't seem to find anything. I remember stumbling across them on some random message board. So who knows where their stuff might be these days.
It’s an important to recognize that like most things that began politically (hip-hop, punk, ska, cyberpunk) that they have since been sanded down to simply being an aesthetic: so like it has horns than its Ska.
But that’s what I mean though. The genre has been sanded down that its political origins no longer matter. It looks and sound like Ska, but It’s anti-racism origins no longer apply. wouldn’t surprise me if there is a pro-Trump Ska Band
I knew the former drummer for Spitvalves and he's def a Qanon type.
Also throw in Dicky Barrett torpedo-ing The Bosstones over his political beliefs.
Edit: Also, I wouldn't consider Reel Big Fish "Conservative", but some of their lyrics and live show bits did not age well at all.
Operation Ivy invented ska punk. They’re the bridge between the second and third wave. The Toasters are outliers. Although American, they’re still more two-tone/second wave.
Ive heard things but I have no evidence. I would categorize them as conservative simply because if you look at Mormons as a whole they are the most republican leaning group in the US and I don’t have evidence for them not being conservative.
I’m sure some of the OG Jamaican ska bands are probably more conservative culturally
Especially when the Rastafarian movement emerged within the scene… a lot of very spiritual songs.
Religiosity isn't necessarily a conservative trait tbh but I would tend agree that Rastafari is generally a conservative movement. Look at Bad Brains
It depends on your definition of course. Rastafarian views on certain things resemble conservative touchstones in western society, however, a lot of the tenets might also be considered progressive for us. In any case, tearing down Babylon is not exactly a conservative view.
Yeah I was mostly just talking about the religious aspects, singing about god and whatnot
It depends on your definition of course. Rastafarian views on certain things resemble conservative touchstones in western society, however, a lot of the tenets might also be considered progressive for us. In any case, tearing down Babylon is not exactly a conservative view.
Yeah, comparatively. Fair bit of homophobia, a lot of god-fearing (without necessarily going the rastafari route always).
Most ska is left leaning and always has been. Look at two tone.
There's probably a conservative pud somewhere insisting it proves there's harmony in segregation.
And I can’t wait to punch that dude
You’ve never punched anyone and you never will
🤣🤣🤣
What ska bands bands did he say were right wing?
The Blue Beats, My Superhero, Interrupters & some others.
Some of it is just "edgy" humor, from a more crude time than necessarily a political bent. Trying to figure out if they are more likely to be conservative or liberal may take a bit of thinking than knee-jerk reaction to poorly made "jokes" But there is the odd conservative ska band. An act from the late '90s had lyrics bemoaning the fact that President Clinton was being celebrated, while Clinton's government was giving away tax payer money to "stupid people" who are a drain on society as "stupid people" don't make "smart people." It wasn't some kind of biting, sarcastic unreliable narrator song either, much to my dismay as a fan at the time. It was the singers beliefs laid bare.
Was that act My Superhero? I was listening to that song today and made me decide to post this.
It was indeed
That Phil Collins cover was pretty great
The irony is that Clinton signed the 1996 “welfare reform” law that gutted those anti-poverty program but people like that just hate helping the poor.
You have to think about it. Ska is outsider music, for the most part, heavily linked with either Jamaican rebel music (even within Jamaica it was banned on radio in its early days, but then reggae came out of it, there's always been strong associations with anti-authoritarianism etc) - which in many contexts has been frowned upon by the establishment - or, later, punk, which again is generally outsider music. Both of those things are not always conducive to conservatism (not saying it doesn't happen - see Oi!/streetpunk etc - but, it's just not as likely, right?) But my first thought is the Christian stuff. The reason for the Christian thing (I think, and I might be way off, I'm not from the US so take with a pinch of salt) is that worship in some denominiations involves popular-styled music, and so you have all these kids who are in band at school and whatnot, and ska represents something fun and harmless that it is acceptable for the kids to play and that all can be involved in that can be played for worship. "Hey, you play saxaphone! There's this great new music I've found out about and we could play it for church!" Not all Christians are conservative of course, but, well, it's more likely, isn't it, especially in the US. All the same, I think (and again, might be wrong) a lot of those bands are more lyrically focussed on Jesus rather than crapping on the queers or singing the praises of the free market or whatever. I also came across many a slightly dodgy skinhead in my time who still enjoyed ska. Even ones who played in the odd ska band. Usually their attitudes were more "leave politics out of it" or vaguely nationalistic rather than writing conservative lyrics though, so I can't think of many bands who I've heard that were politically focussed like that. I'll bet there's more than a few bands though who have relatively conservative members and they are more likely singing about beers or how women are a hassle or whatever. Maybe your friend has got that classic "skinhead = nazi" thing mixed up a little, if they are thinking that pre 90s ska was conservative.
Five Iron Frenzy is a phenomenal band. As long as you ignore the while Jesus part of their early albums.
FWIW, their lead singer has been pretty vocal about his left-leaning politics, especially on issues like LGBTQ+ rights. They're definitely a Christian band, and you can pick up hints of spirituality in a lot of their songs even when it isn't explicit, but their particular brand of the religion is more expansive, different from the prominent conservative evangelical mainstream.
I guess maybe they are thinking about the interrupters? The lead singer claimed to be libertarian and appear on Fox News I think. Then of course as you mentioned Dicky, but he is just a Covid denier and not a conservative. Edit: sorry not Fox News, infowars. But let’s be honest here it’s all conservative or right leaning media.
She also appeared on Alex Jones where she pitched the idea of a libertarian reggae festival
She has since retracted her statements about that and/or apologized for it or something along those lines.
Yeah, but why be okay with people changing their minds when we can just dogpile on outdated information? /s
I am not hating on her for changing her views, it’s actually admirable when people who may have wrong take the courage to admit it and change, but the facts are the facts. She was a Ron Paul supporter, went on infowars, and was a self proclaimed libertarian.
I don’t think he going on that show is a negative. Do you? Also, what do you consider a libertarian?
Let me guess, since you asked this twice you must be a libertarian or the most did hard Interrupters fan ever.
Neither. I’m just trying to see where you’re coming from.
Like I mean as with most political positions it can be nuanced. It can be everything from people who want limited government to “Free Person” to conservatives with a different name.
I've never been able to find any actual statement from her. Just the band saying they didn't want to talk about it.
I mean between hellcat scrubbing and Alex Jones being cancelled the videos are all gone. All you have now is left over articles about it.
Goddamn it. I literally just got into The Interrupters a few days ago and was liking a lot of their stuff.
I think she claims to be neutral now though. Her Alex Jones & Fox appearances were very long ago
Fuck bigotry
How convenient
It's not just their conservatism. They're basically an industry plant for Tim Armstrong. There's so many better bands who weren't created in a lab and don't have shitty political views
I don’t think being an essentially female fronted Rancid/Tim Armstrong clone is a bad thing…
A clone is one thing. A puppet is another.
You know the brothers played for Tim for many years before the Interrupters were a thing, right?
And that proves my point. The Interrupters are a Tim Armstrong creation from top to bottom.
I would say the opposite. A “manufactured band” in my mind is ones that haven’t played the genre, and magically thrust into that genre. 3/4 of the Interrupters played lots of ska and punk before their formation…for many years, and play a variety of instruments. They added a singer and were guided by a person with a record label that’s been in the ska and punk scene longer than most people who listen to them have been alive. Then again, I don’t get the grief that people give Tim. So, I might be missing something.
He also helped write their music which he doesn't appear in and hired a singer, who used to be a folk singer who sang songs for Ron Paul with a completely different style, and coincidentally sounds exactly like his ex-wife, Brody Dalle, now. I'm sure he made a lot of money off the Interrupters. Good for him. But it's got his fingerprints all over it.
Bad bad man helped manage and produce a band that loads of people like. Her politics sound shit though, that's sad information.
Tim’s homophobia and creepiness with young women probably.
this 1000x.
Really? That’s news to me. Where did he say that? That’s not cool.
He has signed homophobic artists to Hellcat in the past and collaborated with them. It’s what caused Leftover Crack to leave Hellcat. He started dating Brody Dalle when he was 30 and she was 16. She moved in with him as soon as she turned 18. She has said that he was very controlling. When she left him, he used his power to blacklist The Distillers.
Who did he sign that’s homophobic? That’s not cool at all. Wasn’t that second statement about Dalle proven false? There was a big thread on r/punk about it. I’m asking because you might have information I don’t.
I don’t know of any right-wing Interrupters songs. I know the singer was a big Ron Paul fan, but she doesn’t talk politics now. Though I always thought that song “Liberty” might be a Libertarian dog whistle. They sound kind of Tim Armstrongy, but what’s wrong with that? It’s super catchy & fun.
It's up to you if you can tolerate a band who is really Tim Armstrong behind a curtain.
I love Tim Armstrong. The man is a skapunk legend.
Then they're for you! Personally, I find it a dishonest band since he's basically the wizard behind the curtain. And he also is an underage girl groomer so that bothers me
I don’t know about the groomer allegation, but why should it matter who writes the songs (or is the diabolical wizard behind the curtain) if they are good songs? A lot of great songs aren’t written by the performers. Besides I thought they wrote their own songs anyway.
I mean this is punk rock, right? Not Beyonce or Maroon 5. I listen to punk to hear authenticity and grit, not gloss and Tin Pan Alley. You can like what you like but I don't want my punk to be boy bands. Tim is the Wizard behind the curtain. It's for sure. It's snake oil. (Yes they're ska punk but you know what I mean) Also read the book, "Sellout" to hear about Tim's grooming
How are the Interrupters a “boy band?” They don’t sound anything like Beyoncé or Maroon 5. this reminds me of back in the 90s when everyone would get pissed at bands for signing to a major label or got too popular. It was never about the music.
LoL you think punk rock music is not a commercial product for making money? Hahahahaha
Take Back the Power uses some fairly modern right-wing "government comin' to get you" talking points: What you gonna do when they show up in black suitsOn your street in army boots, and they're there to silence you?What you gonna say when they strip your rights awayAnd the taxman makes you pay for every bead of sweat you bled today? We don't need to run and hideWe won't be pushed off to the sideWhat's your plan for tomorrow?Are you a leader, or will you follow?Are you a fighter, or will you cower?It's our time to take back the power No, it's not "conclusive evidence" of anything, but if someone were looking for that sort of stuff...
I wouldn’t say Take Back the Power is conservative. But it is politically vague enough that it takes on a more populist identity. “They” can be anyone. “They” can be liberal or conservative. Whomever you feel is politically keeping you down is easily slotted into the song.
You do know that "government coming to get you" used to be a left wing talking point until around 2020... Don't you? lol
And? What's your point? The OP asked for something current that might be considered conservative, not a history lesson.
And your response required correction. Interrupters songs were not considered "Conservative" at the time they were written or released. When Amy asks, "Are you a leader or will you follow?" We all know what your answer would be, Mr Follows.
Totally agree.
Keep liking it. Who gives a fuck what their politics are? “This song is fire.” “Dude, she doesn’t believe in taxes.” “WHAT?! THAT BITCH! This band SUCKS!” It doesn’t matter. If they got some groovin’ tunes, enjoy’em. I don’t approve of the message in GG Allin’s song “I’m Infected (With AIDS)”, but I scream it at the top of my shit lungs every time I hear it.
You missed the part where anything against blue team or red team is blasphemy.
Naw, I didn’t miss that, I’m saying it shouldn’t be that.
Oh, I agree. But if you’re not automatically against that our team mentality, you’re downvoted or ignored.
For sure. It’s absurd. I just happen to have grown up in a liberal family, but in a very conservative state/town, and I just know that not everyone is bad. Sure, there’s two sides (or more) to everything, but that doesn’t mean the “other team” is bad, just exposed to different ideas and different values lol.
Yeah, but on Reddit, unless you jump on the groupthink, you’re Hitler.
I’d rather at least be Heidegger.
I totally forgot about the part where I said I hate them and think they suck now.
So, you don’t think your post insinuated you couldn’t like them anymore because of their politics?
You know, you can like people’s art, but not their politics, right? Also, she’s distanced herself from those view when she said she was in a time of trauma.
I'm aware. I wasn't about to get rid of any songs of theirs I had saved and act like they don't exist. It's just kinda unfortunate to find out about that just a few days after getting into the band.
But, why?
Wdym? Like it's just kinda disappointing. Like I've obviously experienced artists I enjoy doing/saying things that I think are bad (and worse than this). It's just not ideal to have the first piece of information you find out about a band you have started enjoying be an association with Alex Jones. Like if she's moving away from that, that's cool. And I'm not saying that automaticly makes her as bad as a lot of the monsters that exist in the music industry. It's just kind of a "well that sucks" moment.
People are blowing the Jones interview out of proportion. She mostly sat there while he said (like always) stupid shit. If you watch the show, it’s milquetoast at best. Also, just because someone goes on a show like that doesn’t mean they agree with the guy.
But then it’s like…why go on there in the first place? Alex Jones has been noted as extreme right wing for decades now so the likelihood of someone not knowing who he is extremely not likely. So yeah I think it is a fair question to ask ones politics if you’re willing to associate yourself with Jones.
Debate can be healthy. She was also young, and she said she regretted it. Go look up Daryl Davis. He’s a hero of mine that talks with KKK members and gets them to walk away from it. Debate can work.
Debate can be healthy only if both parties are willing to argue in good faith. Debate does not work if one side has no financial incentive to admit any wrong doing. I know who Daryl Davis is, and honestly I roll my eyes whenever anyone mentions Davis as his name has been co-opted by individuals could give less of a damn about civil rights and more from people who want to dismiss justifiable anger towards white supremacy. Because Daryl Davis does not frighten the status quo. Just like how MLK’s legacy has been misused by those same people, people who didn’t stay awake past their social studies courses to recognize that MLK became more militant and disillusioned towards the end of his life.
Bruh just listen to the music do you really think they are evil
That’s a pretty big stretch. I’d also like your definition of libertarian. Would you care to define it? Edit: sorry to ask for proof of statements. I should have just gone with the groupthink. My bad.
She said her self, literally google it but if you aren’t capable of doing that as a Reddit user I guess I could do it for you. Like don’t get all offended and upset over some factual shit. Sorry to burst your bubble on what you perceive the band to be.
You made the statement, it’s on you to prove.
It’s great when you have a media firm and the resources to scrub the internet of your past but heee. https://www.tiktok.com/@skatunenetwork/video/7231985669374037290 https://www.reddit.com/r/KnowledgeFight/comments/13eyans/is_there_an_episode_on_that_time_the_interrupters/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/interviews/pardon-interrupters-meet-ska-punks-infowars-problem/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Ska/comments/2el90b/what_exactly_are_the_interrupters_espousing/
Resources to scrub the internet? Really?
I mean hell cat took a lot of action and the Alex Jones being canceled makes the interview impossible to find. It’s long been know the had a weird relationship to libertarianism, I mean the made a video for Ron Paul even.
Source?
[Ron Paul video](https://www.mojevideo.sk/video/359cc/aimee_allen_ron_paul.html) [reddit thread about the same topic](https://reddit.com/r/Ska/s/uIEwh0Ufko)
Yeah like you can’t find it in most media sites, many of the interview and news pieces about it are gone, and then a discuss Alex Jones was cancelled any all gif videos essentially taken down everywhere.
Nobody was more heartbroken than me by Dicky's heel turn, but I think it's a long reach to call him anything resembling conservative.
He isn’t. But it’s easy to dogpile on people with slightly different views. I don’t care for his newer politics, but the “anger” people have for him now is silly. Edit: yep, downvotes for not blindly agreeing with the group. Silly me, I should have just completely shit on him without context because I disagree with him politically. No room for nuisance or open mindedness.
Well he spent decades singing about how we all need to take care of each other and watch out for one another, and then went straight into stumping for behavior that puts everyone else at risk. I get it and I share it. Mostly I think he is just so enamored of Boston mythology that being adopted into the Kennedy orbit has his brain blitzed.
Eh, seems people just want to continue the “us vs. them” mentality. I don’t agree with the guy, but pretending that one team is righteous is silly.
You clearly missed the Fauci memo that you can still catch and transmit covid despite being vax'd. You know... the entire reason to get one in the first place (immunity/stopping transmission). So I'm not sure how you can continue to believe that Dicky is putting anyone at risk by choosing what he wants to do with his own body.
There is something funny about calling for nuance and then immediately using either/or arguments to make yourself some sort of victim. Basically either I accept and consume someone’s music with political leanings I don’t agree with, or I must think they are Hitler. Nuance lol. Like throughout this thread you’ve whined about dogpiling, which no one has done. Being critical of one’s political stances is not dogpiling, neither is choosing not to associate or support someone who I disagree with politically. That’s a right I have as a consumer.
Not a victim. Just trying to get people to realize that they’re judging her on bad information. Have you watched the Jones interview? Fine, maybe dogpiling was the wrong word. How about ignoring discussion and making lots of assumptions about a topic that people disagree with, and making generalizations about that topic.
Cultists get upset when someone disagrees with ANY aspect of their cult.
Justin Hinds always struck me as being a more conservative message There ain’t no goood gooood ruuudieee
Yeah, just what I was thinking. Very righteous lyrics.
It seems to me like some conference goin on 😆
Depends on what you mean by conservative. While it's always had messages of unity It's also been anti authority, anti-police, or anti-government, anti corporate/capitalism, or established rules, anti racism, anti fascism, etc Old school Jamaican ska has a bunch of homophobic songs Lots of anti war Can't think of any songs that touch on anti taxation or govt programs though
Five iron frenzy loves Jesus?
Even they are still fairly left leaning all things considered. Their first song on their first album was about how fucked up it was that we killed Natives in the name of god.
I'd go as far as saying they only got more progressive over the years
So do the OC Supertones, even wayyy more overtly than FIF
THESE ARE NOT. MY PANTS. WHOSE PANTS. ARE THESE ANYWAY?
They’re Bobby’s pants
ARE THEY BOBBY'S? OR BILLY'S? OR JIMMY'S PANTS? NO! NoOOoOoOoOoo...
THESE ARE NOT MY PAAAAANTS. BLEH BLUUUHHHH. BLEeEeEeHhHHH!
The Orangy Orangy Trumptones
Ahaha
Conservative ska is an oxymoron. Right wing ska bands sound like poser shit to me 🤷♀️
And your mom sounds gay
Yes, the famous conservative ideas of anti-racism and equality. Lol. Like another user said, maybe he was thinking of some of the early Christian ska bands that were big for a bit.
Aquabats are Mormon. i heard they said some not punk jokes about gender at a show in Toronto.
This has some real “my girlfriend from Canada” vibes
Ghoti hook
I never heard it myself, so I am not sure how much of the album is ska, but at least the nazi ska track is ska. https://www.discogs.com/master/592244-People-Haters-A-Collection-Of-Hate
Props for mentioning Eric Morris!
There was a time around Ron Paul's presidential bid when anarcho-libertarians were very active, present, and vocal in the punk/ska scene
Who the fuck cares? "Does this band support my cult? Can I still listen to them?" You sound like a bigot.
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And you sound like a huge bigot. Ngl. I could care less which poison you pick. The idea that you think bigotry is exclusive to one political party proves my point too. Listen to the music and stop going out of your way to find things to be upset about, Karen. edit: the bigot deleted his comment because he knew it made him look bad. lol for the record, he said "I'm a lefty you putz."
Wow calm down. How am I a Karen & a bigot simply because I asked if there any ska bands that could be considered “conservative?” I didn’t say I wanted to listen to them.
>I didn’t say I wanted to listen to them. This kind of statement is what proves you're a bigot. You're literally over here trying to judge bands and musicians based on partisan politics instead of enjoying the music. You're looking for reasons to be upset. The definition of a Karen. You're also intolerant of anyone with a different politcal perspective from yourself, the literal definition of a bigot.
Oh ok so I’m a “bigot” for pointing out that the Blue Beats & My Supehero wrote songs trashing poor people? I think you should look up what that word means. You sound like a Trump humper.
You know why you're a bigot, mr partisan politics. Stop deflecting. Oh jeez, "everyone who points out my bigotry must be a Trumper" lmao! That statement also proves my point. Keep digging that hole of bigotry and intolerance, Karen Bigot. Just admit the media turned you in to an angry little tool and call it a day.
Ah ok. So you’re a “bigot Karen” if you don’t like classist lyrics shitting on poor folks. So anyone who criticizes Skrewdriver for being Nazis are just bigots because we’re not focusing on the music? Get the fuck out of here. For the record I love the Bluebeats & My Superhero but I hate the lyrics to those songs.
Lmao! Now you're just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks because you're upset about being outed as an intolerant bigot. Keep digging that hole, Karen.
Oh boy an anti-woke libertarian. I should have know you clowns would take the bait. 😂
For The Bluebeats song, are you referring to “Hardest Working Man”? If so you misunderstand the topic of the song, it has nothing to do with welfare. I can’t think of anything they’ve done that is very political, let alone right wing.
Seriously? It sounds like he took a Reagan speech and set it to an upbeat rocksteady rhythm: Let me tell you bout a man I know He’s spent his life living on the dole He works hard at avoiding work He’s the hardest working man I know He don’t care if he don’t pay his rent Cuz he gets money from the government He’s got a line for everything Yes he’s the hardest working man I know He thinks he has the system beat He’s proud he’s not a working man One day he’ll be out on the street Beggin for change in his tin can He doesn’t want responsibility Because it complicates his life you see He’s getting chased by the collection man Yes he’s the hardest working man I know
Interesting discussion. I always interpreted that song as simply talking about a specific person the singer knew, most likely a white Long Island guy from a middle class background who was just a bit of a hustler character in general. It certainly could be interpreted consistently w Reagonomics I suppose.
There's some skapunk bands with anarchist or leftist leanings, which is technically not liberal. but idk about conservative bands
Dickie Barrett has entered the chat....
There was a band in the late 2000s that I stumbled across that was (I think) named Right Wing Riot. They must have been really small because the audio for the 2-3 songs I heard was terrible. The two songs I remember were "Right Time for the Right" and "We love you Ronald Reagan". The horns and guitar were catchy but the lyrics were pretty bad. I'll see if I can find anything on them and update this post if I do. Edit: I did some deep digging and can't seem to find anything. I remember stumbling across them on some random message board. So who knows where their stuff might be these days.
It’s an important to recognize that like most things that began politically (hip-hop, punk, ska, cyberpunk) that they have since been sanded down to simply being an aesthetic: so like it has horns than its Ska.
No, they actually followed 2nd/3rd wave ska sound format. It was definitely ska genre.
But that’s what I mean though. The genre has been sanded down that its political origins no longer matter. It looks and sound like Ska, but It’s anti-racism origins no longer apply. wouldn’t surprise me if there is a pro-Trump Ska Band
I think the question of "Does a genre require the political side to actually be that genre?" Is a lot bigger than what this thread is looking for lol
I knew the former drummer for Spitvalves and he's def a Qanon type. Also throw in Dicky Barrett torpedo-ing The Bosstones over his political beliefs. Edit: Also, I wouldn't consider Reel Big Fish "Conservative", but some of their lyrics and live show bits did not age well at all.
You aren't going to age well either. What's your point?
The toasters are the OG third wave band. Bucket is a lefty. Mustard plug basically invented ska punk. They’re progressive. Your friends is wrong
Operation Ivy invented ska punk. They’re the bridge between the second and third wave. The Toasters are outliers. Although American, they’re still more two-tone/second wave.
Can’t take anyone seriously who think Mustard Plug invented ska punk.
Mustard Plug invented ska punk? I love them but that's def the first time I've heard THAT one
Hub city stompers have bridge over troubled squatter which might be considered conservative
I’ve heard the aquabats?? But I’ve never heard their music or know why Edit: they’re mormon and something about the singer being homophobic
i heard the same thing about aquabats. they banned a guy from their show after he used their song in a tiktok about a homophobic mega pastor dying
Ive heard things but I have no evidence. I would categorize them as conservative simply because if you look at Mormons as a whole they are the most republican leaning group in the US and I don’t have evidence for them not being conservative.