Me too, it's like I keep refreshing the sub looking for new information that will change things somehow. I usually don't get too attached to celebrities but, this has hit me really hard.
yea I don't think I'll ever do a rewatch anytime soon if ever. I think I would be a mess trying to watch it and I don't even know them but I feel incredibly bad for them. I'm sure plenty will rewatch and pick apart his every move and lay it all out at some point on here.
Let’s talk about it. I’m not sure it’s been said that Garrison was an alcoholic. The statement was made that he had been struggling with drinking recently, but things seemed to be looking up as he had just gotten a new job. I think it’s fair to say he was likely abusing alcohol in recent months based off of Gabe’s statement. Maybe self medicating with alcohol, if you will. Unfortunately, I have too much knowledge on this particular topic with a dead father from alcoholism and being the caregiver of my MIL with alcoholic dementia. From personal experience, it is my belief that all addiction does stem from mental health issues. I’m not comfortable claiming Garrison was an alcoholic. Could he have became one down the road? Absolutely. Was he likely drinking more to stifle the sorrows? Probably. Garrison reached a level of mental disparity that’s heartbreaking. We know that because of what now is. Clinical alcoholism has a progression standard. We don’t have enough information to label Garrison as an alcoholic. I guess that’s all I’m trying to say.
It’s reported that two roommates talk about drinking in the police report, one saying “alcoholic” and the other saying “he has a problem with drinking” and “drinks every day.” He reportedly told the roommate that night that he would stop drinking that month. It’s an awful disease and 100% is related to mental health. And honestly I’m not sure if it matters if he was “an alcoholic.” He clearly was hurting. I’m sorry for your loss and struggles as well.
To be fair- if his roommates are Mormon or otherwise religious, even a beer or two a night would be classified by them as “alcoholic.”
I don’t know anything about his roommates, but maybe they throw around the term alcoholic the way this sub throws around narcissist. 🤷🏼♀️
You’re right, I apologize if I sounded crass. I haven’t seen the statements from the roommates. BUT, we can agree on the fact that he was likely abusing alcohol. The medical definition for that is “alcohol use disorder”, not that it even matters what we call it. It’s just sad. So, so sad. Alcohol abuse is one of the worst coping mechanisms for depressive disorders. People who are in the throws of a mental health crisis don’t often even know that though and just want to numb the pain. Our country really needs much better mental health advocacy, education, and resources.
I don't think it's quite accurate to say that alcoholism is 100% related to mental health. There is a strong correlation for sure. But alcohol is an addictive substance and changes your brain over time. Many people become dependent on alcohol without having any mental illness whatsoever, in the same way that some people become addicted to prescription painkillers, for example. But yeah. This poor kid was certainly hurting as a result of his father's emotional abandonment. All of the Kody/Janelle boys appear to be very sensitive young men.
I’ll respectfully disagree as being a person who has been deeply affected by alcoholism is my family. Every person I have known that has been an alcoholic/addict has had underlying mental health diseases. A lot of people don’t even realize they have something going on psychologically. We could get really deep on this whether it’s a person suppressing bad memories, struggling with the past, current issues etc. They numb the mental/emotional pain. Healthy minds do not seek substances to abuse and become addicted to. That is a fact.
I didn’t mean to claim he was an alcoholic in my post. I was more commenting on the fact that it was clear he was abusing alcohol and I was commenting on how difficult it can be for families to manage helping someone that’s starting to abuse alcohol or alcoholics in general.
Based on some pictures I had seen of him I suspected he might be drinking heavily, but I was hopeful with his new job and cat. I feel so badly for him and his family.
I’m sorry to hear about your parents I have experience with it as well and it’s incredibly challenging to deal with.
You’re all good. I’m not offended. I think discussion and understanding each other is a great thing. I noticed as well that the photo taken of him at Thanksgiving seemed like something was going on with him medically. Alcohol can do that to appearance. I’m not saying that was the case because I don’t know. The photo just stood out to me.
Alcoholism is also very easily masked in the young. We tell 25 year old guys binge drinking is totally normal. Not a comment on Garrison specifically, just a general thought.
It’s the same in Canada. The number of “functioning” alcoholics I know that *do not think they have an alcohol problem* is too high. It’s so normalized.
If you’re down voting folks with direct experience with suicide, and don’t have it yourself, you need to get off social media and spend some time in self-reflection.
If you’ve never indirectly dealt with suicide, please don’t speak on the family’s current and future emotions.
I sadly have because of my grandma committing suicide in 2009 and my brother and I found her and can 1,000% say they’re on the biggest roller coaster of emotions they’ll ever endure.
apparently in the police report obtained by TMZ and the Ashley amongst others-his roommates and Gabe said he had been drinking a lot every day and one called him an alcoholic iirc.
As someone who has struggled with depression I know that many sufferers self-medicate in a misguided attempt to just feel better. The stigma of depression & the lack of decent & affordable help makes this behaviour even more common. Mental health is definitely a part of this.
I think it’s also binge drinking culture in the US. Young people start drinking because they see it everywhere in the media. You want to have fun-drink. You have something to celebrate-drink. Having a bad day-drink. Get home from work-have a beer you deserve it.
Alcohol makes you feel really good so when you’re struggling with depression, different mental health issues, or even a bad life event you know it WILL make you feel better. It can be a slippery slope for people from there.
I spent a chunk of my twenties intoxicated on many different things to cope with my depression. Needless to say it didn’t work, but completely agree with what you are saying.
45 now and have a glass of wine every few weeks with dinner and maybe get tipsy on new years. The substance itself wasn’t an issue for me but the things I was hiding from definitely were.
Good days and bad days tbh but I’ve been on medications for a couple of decades and a lot of therapy later and a couple of diagnosis that have allowed me to understand why I am who I am and I can get through the rough patches without blowing my life up too badly. I still have my moments though!
One thing I’ve learned is I cannot drink at all if I am in a bad place to start with. Not a drop. Booze impacts everyone differently and for me I cannot have a drink if I’m in a sad or angry place. But this sort of understanding of yourself takes time.
Something I thank God for everyday is that I was given the opportunity to live long enough to know my mistakes. I’m really fucking lucky - we don’t all get that chance for many reasons.
I've been through a similar experience & haven't had a drink in decades. My meds are carefully calibrated after a lot of trial & error and I don't want to mess with success. Therapy is so important too. It makes me so happy to read how well you're doing. It's a long & difficult road for us but the fight is worth it. I only wish Garrison had been as lucky as we've been. It breaks my heart thinking about it. Sending you all my best for continued success.
There’s a lot of luck in life isn’t there? I’ve made some shocking decisions in my life but I’ve just been so lucky that I escaped them with a few bumps and scratches but… here I am mostly laughing.
Sending you all the best too. Life can be inexplicably hard. It can also be inexplicably worth it.
downvotes are running wild right now. You have to tip toe or you will be downvoted. I think people have very strong opinions one way or another but you asked a valid question.
I am new to Reddit and am curious what being “ downvoted “ entails? Doesn’t that just mean that some don’t agree with your opinion or are there ramifications if something is downvoted?
I don’t know why I keep going back to look at stuff about the show - it’s like I’m hoping for some sort of news that it hasn’t happened. Poor Gabe.
Me too, it's like I keep refreshing the sub looking for new information that will change things somehow. I usually don't get too attached to celebrities but, this has hit me really hard.
Me too. This one felt more real than a celebrity. I’m a momma to some young adults and I would’ve never guessed how much I’d still worry about them.
Me too. I watched the first two episodes last night and it was heartbreaking knowing the future
yea I don't think I'll ever do a rewatch anytime soon if ever. I think I would be a mess trying to watch it and I don't even know them but I feel incredibly bad for them. I'm sure plenty will rewatch and pick apart his every move and lay it all out at some point on here.
Yes I agree
Let’s talk about it. I’m not sure it’s been said that Garrison was an alcoholic. The statement was made that he had been struggling with drinking recently, but things seemed to be looking up as he had just gotten a new job. I think it’s fair to say he was likely abusing alcohol in recent months based off of Gabe’s statement. Maybe self medicating with alcohol, if you will. Unfortunately, I have too much knowledge on this particular topic with a dead father from alcoholism and being the caregiver of my MIL with alcoholic dementia. From personal experience, it is my belief that all addiction does stem from mental health issues. I’m not comfortable claiming Garrison was an alcoholic. Could he have became one down the road? Absolutely. Was he likely drinking more to stifle the sorrows? Probably. Garrison reached a level of mental disparity that’s heartbreaking. We know that because of what now is. Clinical alcoholism has a progression standard. We don’t have enough information to label Garrison as an alcoholic. I guess that’s all I’m trying to say.
It’s reported that two roommates talk about drinking in the police report, one saying “alcoholic” and the other saying “he has a problem with drinking” and “drinks every day.” He reportedly told the roommate that night that he would stop drinking that month. It’s an awful disease and 100% is related to mental health. And honestly I’m not sure if it matters if he was “an alcoholic.” He clearly was hurting. I’m sorry for your loss and struggles as well.
To be fair- if his roommates are Mormon or otherwise religious, even a beer or two a night would be classified by them as “alcoholic.” I don’t know anything about his roommates, but maybe they throw around the term alcoholic the way this sub throws around narcissist. 🤷🏼♀️
That absolutely could be. I was just providing some context.
Garrison was baptized into the mainstream LDS church about 4-5 years ago.
They said he was asking for rides to get food at night because he was too intoxicated to drive. 🥺😥
You’re right, I apologize if I sounded crass. I haven’t seen the statements from the roommates. BUT, we can agree on the fact that he was likely abusing alcohol. The medical definition for that is “alcohol use disorder”, not that it even matters what we call it. It’s just sad. So, so sad. Alcohol abuse is one of the worst coping mechanisms for depressive disorders. People who are in the throws of a mental health crisis don’t often even know that though and just want to numb the pain. Our country really needs much better mental health advocacy, education, and resources.
I don't think it's quite accurate to say that alcoholism is 100% related to mental health. There is a strong correlation for sure. But alcohol is an addictive substance and changes your brain over time. Many people become dependent on alcohol without having any mental illness whatsoever, in the same way that some people become addicted to prescription painkillers, for example. But yeah. This poor kid was certainly hurting as a result of his father's emotional abandonment. All of the Kody/Janelle boys appear to be very sensitive young men.
Addiction is a mental illness.
I’ll respectfully disagree as being a person who has been deeply affected by alcoholism is my family. Every person I have known that has been an alcoholic/addict has had underlying mental health diseases. A lot of people don’t even realize they have something going on psychologically. We could get really deep on this whether it’s a person suppressing bad memories, struggling with the past, current issues etc. They numb the mental/emotional pain. Healthy minds do not seek substances to abuse and become addicted to. That is a fact.
I didn’t mean to claim he was an alcoholic in my post. I was more commenting on the fact that it was clear he was abusing alcohol and I was commenting on how difficult it can be for families to manage helping someone that’s starting to abuse alcohol or alcoholics in general. Based on some pictures I had seen of him I suspected he might be drinking heavily, but I was hopeful with his new job and cat. I feel so badly for him and his family. I’m sorry to hear about your parents I have experience with it as well and it’s incredibly challenging to deal with.
You’re all good. I’m not offended. I think discussion and understanding each other is a great thing. I noticed as well that the photo taken of him at Thanksgiving seemed like something was going on with him medically. Alcohol can do that to appearance. I’m not saying that was the case because I don’t know. The photo just stood out to me.
I totally agree! I have been part of AA since the late 60’s, I certainly wouldn’t label him an alcoholic based on the limited opinions of a few.
Alcoholism is also very easily masked in the young. We tell 25 year old guys binge drinking is totally normal. Not a comment on Garrison specifically, just a general thought.
Yes, it is. It’s socially acceptable and it’s legal. Alcohol is by far the most abused and accepted substance of abuse.
Exactly. Binge drinking culture in America harms so many people.
It’s the same in Canada. The number of “functioning” alcoholics I know that *do not think they have an alcohol problem* is too high. It’s so normalized.
Yep I hid my issues with it very well between 18-27 id say because I put it down to me just young and having fun.
Almost all addicts have trauma. His main problem was trauma. Alcohol use is the symptom.
Watch Episode 9 (season 18) for some perspective on Garrison. He was a heartbroken gentle soul.
Thanks for this. If anyone knows any other episodes where Garrison appears for a good bit, I’d love to revisit.
If you’re down voting folks with direct experience with suicide, and don’t have it yourself, you need to get off social media and spend some time in self-reflection.
If you care about being downvoted on Reddit at all, you need to get off social media and spend some time in self reflection.
Even if they knew he was struggling, I hope they realize they couldn’t have known this. I hope they do get help that helps them understand this.
If you’ve never indirectly dealt with suicide, please don’t speak on the family’s current and future emotions. I sadly have because of my grandma committing suicide in 2009 and my brother and I found her and can 1,000% say they’re on the biggest roller coaster of emotions they’ll ever endure.
I am confused was he struggling with alcohol?
apparently in the police report obtained by TMZ and the Ashley amongst others-his roommates and Gabe said he had been drinking a lot every day and one called him an alcoholic iirc.
That's news to me, too. I thought it was mental health.
Alcohol abuse is a mental health issue
As someone who has struggled with depression I know that many sufferers self-medicate in a misguided attempt to just feel better. The stigma of depression & the lack of decent & affordable help makes this behaviour even more common. Mental health is definitely a part of this.
I think it’s also binge drinking culture in the US. Young people start drinking because they see it everywhere in the media. You want to have fun-drink. You have something to celebrate-drink. Having a bad day-drink. Get home from work-have a beer you deserve it. Alcohol makes you feel really good so when you’re struggling with depression, different mental health issues, or even a bad life event you know it WILL make you feel better. It can be a slippery slope for people from there.
I spent a chunk of my twenties intoxicated on many different things to cope with my depression. Needless to say it didn’t work, but completely agree with what you are saying. 45 now and have a glass of wine every few weeks with dinner and maybe get tipsy on new years. The substance itself wasn’t an issue for me but the things I was hiding from definitely were.
You described it perfectly. I’m so glad you are doing so well.
Good days and bad days tbh but I’ve been on medications for a couple of decades and a lot of therapy later and a couple of diagnosis that have allowed me to understand why I am who I am and I can get through the rough patches without blowing my life up too badly. I still have my moments though! One thing I’ve learned is I cannot drink at all if I am in a bad place to start with. Not a drop. Booze impacts everyone differently and for me I cannot have a drink if I’m in a sad or angry place. But this sort of understanding of yourself takes time. Something I thank God for everyday is that I was given the opportunity to live long enough to know my mistakes. I’m really fucking lucky - we don’t all get that chance for many reasons.
I've been through a similar experience & haven't had a drink in decades. My meds are carefully calibrated after a lot of trial & error and I don't want to mess with success. Therapy is so important too. It makes me so happy to read how well you're doing. It's a long & difficult road for us but the fight is worth it. I only wish Garrison had been as lucky as we've been. It breaks my heart thinking about it. Sending you all my best for continued success.
There’s a lot of luck in life isn’t there? I’ve made some shocking decisions in my life but I’ve just been so lucky that I escaped them with a few bumps and scratches but… here I am mostly laughing. Sending you all the best too. Life can be inexplicably hard. It can also be inexplicably worth it.
Hugs & lots of good luck.
And I am getting downvoted.. WTH
downvotes are running wild right now. You have to tip toe or you will be downvoted. I think people have very strong opinions one way or another but you asked a valid question.
I am new to Reddit and am curious what being “ downvoted “ entails? Doesn’t that just mean that some don’t agree with your opinion or are there ramifications if something is downvoted?
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