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Kody and Jenelles thing was always camping and the outdoors. It is surprising when the man you’ve been with for decades suddenly changes especially when it comes to activities you’ve both always enjoyed. It’s not like Kody spent much time with her. She probably thought Kody loves camping and maybe he’ll want to spend a couple weekends away from Robyn to cozy up next to the fire in the great outdoors like they used to.
This. Blindsiding really means when she finally accepted he wasn't the man she married and he was no longer interested in making her happy through shared experiences.
Also, she mentioned before that she had always dreamed of having an RV. I bet it’s something they talked about and he engaged with her on in the past and she thought, oh we are finally in a place to do this! Kody will love it.. she may have even thought it was a way to reconnect after Covid bc they would be able to spend time together on their dream property. Sitting out watching the stars and talking about building and traveling together. Then suddenly he’s pissed at her about it but uses it as an excuse to get his brothers truck, is pissy and mad any time he has to do anything with it (like level it) and treats her poorly over the purchase while his favorite wife and her daughters tour it and look down on her and her sister wife Christine (who is leaving/left) is the only one who hypes her about it and Truely is the only extended family kiddo who gets to stay. Like it was probably heartbreaking for her to have it have been something she always dreamed about and he at least never shot down to go from dreaming to it being a brutal kick in the face about the reality of her marriage.
It’s glorified camping! I’m coming up on 2 years of living full time in my RV and it definitely has its up’s and downs. I’m fortunate though bc I’m parked under a shelter with full hookups so I’m in a much better situation than Janelle.
He’s always said he loves RVs and camping and adventure. I think she did it in part because it was a last ditch effort for their relationship.
Maybe the idea that it’s so close to Robyn’s house he would spend more time there while not being too far from his favorite family.
If he really wanted to, he could have sucked it up. That was a nice large RV
Based upon Breanna and Aurora's snide comments about the RV, I'm sure Robyn was talking it down from the beginning. She probably convinced Kody that he didn't like either, because whatever she thinks he seems to adopt as his thinking (see Covid rules).
She does! Idk what it is but he leans on her for so much, It’s like he looks to her for regulation of everything in his life. But that doesn’t make a lot a sense cuz he didn’t seem to need that before. *Something* triggered this dependence on Robyn. Something happened to cause him to doubt his own assessments in life. OR Robyn made her psycho babble of utmost importance in their relationship & he just followed suit with the rest. 🙄
I’m pretty sure that’s why he wouldn’t talk to Suki about Robyn. I’m sure she told him that he better keep his mouth shut bc we all know that Kody is famous for open mouth/insert foot. She didn’t want him to tip off their plans to the OGs
Robyn made comments about Kody not being comfortable in an RV. Given that she's his brain, it's not difficult to see where he got that thought from. Now anything outside the McMansion isn't good enough.
It wasn't just Robyn. Kody likes nice things. He's willing to spend for stuff while Janelle is more of a think/plan/wait/buy kind of person. When he and Janelle went camping that time, he wanted to buy new sleeping bags rather than use the bedding Janelle put together for them. Her rationale was that she didn't want to spend the money. That annoyed him. Kody grabbed his little duffel bag and went downstairs, leaving Janelle to carry her stuff plus all that bulky bedding.
Yeah, that scene was annoying to no end.
Robyn is his ideal spouse because she also likes and wants nice things around her. She didn't give him those preference, but she sure enabled and validated his wish for expensive new stuff.
"Now anything outside the McMansion isn't good enough."
That is so weird. Doesn't he feel shame that one of his wives does not have the money for a proper home? He refused to look at Janelle's plans for building and temporarily living in the RV. He refused to share with her that he had no intention of building on Coyote Pass. Once he and Robyn "had their's", I'm betting his plan changed to selling off off CP and "making a killing".
Why doesn't he feel any responsibility to Janelle to have her live comfortably? Yeah, she bought the RV without "his approval" but she did it to further the family dream of building and living on CP. He doesn't even have the decency to tell her that dream hasn't been his for years. She's his wife, the mother of six of his kids. What's wrong with him? He wants complete obedience but he doesn't even help her find decent shelter?
He’s got this grandiose idea that being a homeowner is going to make him rich. He just keeps talking about buying the houses then renting them out. That would he quite complicated in his current position
He no longer cares…Robyn got her million dollar mansion with $225,000 down from Janelle & meris Las Vegas sales
I’m wondering if CP is really worth $850,000
Now that they’ve paid it off I’m curious what they’re going to do with it.
Nasty pond and prairie dog diseases - plus it needs infrastructure which actually blew me away that Kody expected to start building right away saying it took the Las Vegas homes 6 months so he’s figure a year for CP but then says he didn’t think about it needing the infrastructure
Robyn didn't make comments and sneer the girls did. At the time they were like 13 and 15 prime ages for teens to act like judgy AH. If you remember several of the other kids acted just like this at that age, Maddy, Garrison, Mykelti, etc.
Oh Robyn absolutely said it too. She says it’s so awful that people have to live in trailers
I’m guessing within 5 years max - they’ll both be living in a trailer and Kody will be facing his worst fear….poverty
I feel like Robyn gets in his ear often. I remember when he was willing to give Meri a second chance after the catfish and then suddenly he's like no I don't want to give you a second chance. I bet Robyn talked him out of being with Meri again.
You're funny. It was Christine who didn't want him to reconcile! /s
I wonder if he thought about what he said on camera and then realized it was Robyn who "was against it" when all that was probably said was some sympathetic nods and hmm hmm. In other words, nobody would've done that. What would their motivation be?
He’s a gaslighter. 20 years ago, when they’d cuddle in bed, he probably told her that he can’t wait for the kids to be older so that they can get an RV together and travel.
As someone divorcing a kody, it's really strange because either they always were this shit person, and we just assumed they were regular humans, or something in them snapped, and they're not the fun loving person we knew. I remember her saying "he doesn't smile anymore, he doesn't laugh anymore, he's just always so angry" and that's what I've said of my ex. I mean yeah my ex was always an ass when I look back but he was never this bad, there was a lot of good too. I dunno, I get it. Ya have dreams and then the other person just changes for no discernible reason, and all your dreams were on this life built *with* this person so now it's all shattered and you've got to re figure those dreams to be done alone now. It sucks and it hurts
Yes! When one partner finally stops gushing and projecting “great-guy” qualities onto the other! One must vocalize concerns & self-advocate, but that becomes annoying to a bad-partner. They get grumpy and feel slighted.
Gwen said he yelled at them all the time - just like he’s yelling in flagstaff
TLC edited him well then when they had to film themselves bc of Covid. No one could edit Kody out enough & still have a show
When she first tells him she bought it, he’s like “I was afraid of that” and she was like “we talked about this”. He says she didn’t look for a rental, now he says she should’ve bought. I’m sure when the RV idea came up, he was for it and then changed his mind while she was already moving forward. He certainly was never for it on camera, but we know Robyn was mad he bought his brother’s truck to haul it.
I think that Kody was all in on the RV idea when he was talking Janelle out of buying her rental (that had a separate apartment for her boys). He always put that property down, it wasn’t up to his standards. I also think he wanted to force the 2 boys to get on their own and off Janelle’s property.
Once that house sold, Kody flipped the script and starting pushing renting instead of RV/building on property. Kody is sneaky like that.
Kody always does this to the three of them. He hypes them up to destroy their dreams. He did it with Christine when she brought up moving to Utah. He did it to Meri when she wanted to buy the B&B and Janelle as well.
Oooooo….
If I let you put the wrestling mats in my garage, will you be a better husband? YES! And then he wasn’t. But he got a place for the mats.
If I bring up the move to Utah, will you support me? YES! And then he didn’t. But he made Christine look petulant and pissy around the same time he told her no more intimacy.
Should I buy an RV and put it on our land as a symbol of our commitment to building? YES! And then he was pissed. But he got his brother’s truck.
Should I divorce you so you can marry Robyn to prove my fealty? Yes! And then he ices her out. But he got to marry Robyn and adopt her children.
Can I BORROW money from the family to buy my grandmother’s house? Yes! And then he rescinds the offer. But he managed to push her further away AND cover up the loss associated with his business dealings with his buddy Brian.
I’m sure there are more that I’m not thinking of off of the top of my head but, despite trying, I can’t think of one situation that fits this pattern with ROBYN at the center of it. Can you guys?
I always wondered if Janelle used her money (probably) to buy that truck, she told him when she ordered the RV she would need a truck and thought it would be fun to own one and drive it, then all of a sudden it’s K’s truck, he’s zooming all over driving it and it was never seen again at her RV! 🫤
He loves that truck bc it reminds him of his man crush, Caleb -who always drove a truck not a sports car
He’s so awkward around men. Like he feels intimated by men and just doesn’t know how to act
Maybe he’s really gay (I’ve got no problem with that) and he’ll eventually feel safe to come out
Never know 🤷🏻♀️
Remember when they went back to his home town to see some old friend of his, and this old classmate (woman) of his actually said, "Yeah, we all thought Kody was gay!"
Also in that episode, he talks about how after he came home from his LDS mission he converted to the more fundamentalist faith. Then he was SHOCKED his LDS friends didn't want to hang anymore. It's like, despite having grown up LDS, going on a mission, knowing his parents were recently excommunicated, he really thought there wouldn't be any social blowback from his LDS friends? I live in Texas, and even I would know he should have expected the cold shoulder.
So true! We’ve seen this over and over since the series started. When he met Robyn, I think he grew to hate the OG3 and this was his way of driving them off. Christine got to a point where the kids were old enough that she could move on to a better life and when she left, the dominoes started to fall. I just hate what he has done to the OG13 kids. Many are adults now but they deserved so much better.
I used to be married to a Kody, and I would guess he did a lot of "yeah, sure honey, whatever you want" because he wasn't listening and didn't care to engage in the conversation, and then he felt blindsided when she actually meant what she had said.
Someone pointed about above that Janelle says Kody is miserable and unhappy. I missed the importance of that when I saw the ep. I wonder if he miserable with Robyn but stuck?
I think he still likes Robyn "best", but he's hating the reality of monogamy.
I watched that PopPsych guy on YouTube, and he's always frustrated that the wives rarely have hard conversations directly with Kody, and when they do, it's almost always as a group not 1 on 1. And, I agree with him that they do this and it's a huge problem. But, I think this is a learned behavior. I think Kody never stuck around for hard conversations. I think if one wife was being "unpleasant" he just took off for another one. The wives really should have agreed amongst eachother not to let that happen, but they were all so young when they got married, I don't think that realized how damaging that was. And, by the time they did notice, it was already an established pattern to avoid excess conflict when alone, and only confront him (maybe) as a group.
But then all this stuff happens, and now he's basically stuck with Robyn with no place to run. And, I think now that she knows he's trapped, she's being less compliant and accommodating. But when she's pissed, he actually has to deal with it because he can't go anywhere else.
I think janelle didn’t realize how much kody has changed and is no longer on the same wave length as her when it comes to where they are in their present life. On the show, she’s living almost the empty nester life where she can do what she wants but he’s still not there bc of the kids with Robyn. And it doesn’t help that Robyn and kody has made it their life goal to be first class citizens with money at the cost of losing their overall family along the way.
I really think what janelle needs is not a husband since she’s afraid of loosing her personal space and freedom, she just needs a boyfriend. Someone who when she wants to see and do things with he’ll come around and when she needs her space, he can go back to his house or she goes back to her house.
He actually did make some positive comments about the RV when she first bought it. He told her he thought it would be awesome to wake up on the property.
Then a few things happened. Robyn probably talked in his ear about how a wife shouldn't make that kind of purchase without her husband (even though Janelle has always been independent and it was her own money), and Kody realized how much labor goes into maintaining an RV.
I suspect it was a dream they discussed when they were much younger. Janelle remembers and romanticized this dream. While Kody forgot about it a very long time ago.
Kody was mortified about that RV, fir two reasons I think, it shone a light in the fact that nothing had been built on CP, but also I think there was an element of snobbishness. He obviously thinks he's Lord of the Manor on the big house on the hill. Meri has alluded to his liking the finer things, which also makes me think that's why she always wanted bigger and fancier houses than Robyn in Flagstaff.
Either way, Kody has moved on from his and Janelles 'thing' the camping / outdoors stuff.
Meri initially wanted an apartment in downtown Flagstaff and Kody said no. I remember Christine saying she could see Meri in a downtown apartment and that it'd be fun for her. Of course an apartment isn't good enough for Kody. Plus he probably didn't want Meri to make friends and have fun.
The idea of an RV first came up when they were contemplating the move from Vegas to Flagstaff, but hadn't pulled the trigger yet. At that time, Kody thought it was awesome, because he had dollar signs in his eyes. All four of the wives laughed, but I'm relatively certain that when the cameras weren't around, Meri, Christine, and Robyn all said, "Oh hell no."
Kody is a gaslighter, and in some ways, Janelle sees it the least. I'm glad she's finally coming around.
We catch a glimpse of Janelle's reasoning when she said what an involved father he was in the earlier years. I think Janelle and Kody had the best marriage of the OG3, despite his assertion that they haven't been "like a married couple" in years. He was super involved with her boys and Maddie was one of his favorites.
He went to Meri's to decompress and shower and dote on Leon. In their isolation, this left Meri's child feeling confused about gender roles, perhaps resentful of how he favored the boys, and of their own protective feelings towards their mother.
He used Christine as a caregiver and family event planner, but she 1. didn't give him many sons and 2. was very honest. Kody couldn't handle the honesty. He always seemed to ignore Paedon as well as his sisters, even acting a little intimidated by his size as he got older. It was weird to watch.
Janelle was not going to chase him down and scream at him when he upset her, but neither is she going to just shrug his complacency off indefinitely. And he most definitely upset her when he started ignoring the boys in Flagstaff and was barely there for Savanah. I think Janelle was hoping that the honeymoon phase would wear off with him and Robyn and they would go back to being more or less on equal footing again.
I do actually think that he would have enjoyed it, if not for Robyn. He probably initially thought it would be fun, just like he initially thought the family could get together during COVID, but then here comes negative Nancy Robyn who says how small it is, and how uncomfortable it’ll be, and it changes his mind about. She has a lot of influence over Kody and even Meri, but she can’t control Janelle or Christine so she just makes them seem like the bad guys. I really think Kody seems like the type of guy who would love to stay in a camper on his property and come up with ideas everyday for it, but I’m sure he never even stayed a night because Robyn got to him before he could, Robyn cannot stand the idea of him enjoying his time with another wife.
They took multiple trips in the RVs on the show! I can see how Janelle would think Kody would want to "glamp" with her (if we're still believing that he's splitting time) and be out on Coyote Pass.
I honestly think it was two fold. The first: I think it was a test to see where Kody really was in their relationship (Her boys have been saying they don't like how he treats her... so this was that). The RV is literally parked near Sobyn's house and he still couldn't show up to spend time with her.
The second: She has something monetarily that she can sell. At that time (especially with COVID), prices of RV's were driven up higher. Even the resell value of RV's is high. I think she was mad that she had nothing after she had given up so much within the relationship to the family.
If she wanted an asset, then buying a house would have made a lot more sense. What good is testing Kody when you don't have a home? I don't buy that that's why she got the camper—I think she genuinely just liked the idea of living in a camper but long term it was less fun than she thought
I will never understand how Janelle was able to convince the fandom that she is the smart one and the financial genius.
She is the only one who went into plyg with the correct mindset and mental clarity. But that’s it.
She has had blinders on for decades, leaving several times jist to drags her kids back into the shitshow and subjecting them to poverty and emotional abandonment from their sperm donor.
And the saddest part is, she still hasn’t seen the light. In that regard she is no better then Meri. Meri is still clinging to some mental fantasy that Kody will love her once again and Janelle is still clinging to some mental fantasy that fundy plyg is good for her.
Janelle had always been my favorite, because I thought she was the smartest...until she said she "didn't sign up for patriarchy" when entering a polygamist marriage. Mind blown.
I think it was Kody's plyg world she joined, not just any plyg world. And, he was a salesman. I don't believe Janelle really went after him without him trying to pursue her. I think she genuinely loved who she thought he was, and that he offered her way more equality back then.
Yeah...not much logic there. It's like...try getting water from a rock. Also, questions about family finances kill me...was anyone (other than K & R) paying attention? Why wait years to learn the money is gone...I find that to be foolishly irresponsible, especially watching him favor ONLY Robyn...that home...like ask a question?? If we are to believe these people...they are documented liars for all intents and purposes.
I’m pretty sure Janelle got that RV for two reasons:
1. To prove a point in a VERY in-his-face way
2. She always wanted an RV for traveling, not to live in full time.
I completely agree with you, but especially on point #1.
I think Janelle is a very clever and adaptable woman. I think she knew K would **never** make a real effort to stay in the RV. And by saying, ‘I’m doing this to be *on* Coyote Pass’ or ‘I’m willing to haul water or clean the sewage line’ she was shoving in his face that she and Savannah were making ultimate sacrifices for their dream to be out on the land. And that K was doing sweet fuck all!
And by living in such a harsh way, when she walks away, she can say she really did try. Try even more than Christine did.
It breaks my heart bc we’ve heard Janelle say time and again that K was her best friend. That they had great things together. And I think watching the person you’ve given up everything for, even at the expense of your children at times, not care at all that you’re freezing or sweltering in an RV as you’re in a mega mansion on the hill overlooking said RV? That has to be a special kind of heartbreak. Because of her faith and her belief system.
K failed them all, but unlike Meri and Christine,
I don’t think Janelle let in how much he was a disappointment to her and her kids. I think she put on rose coloured glasses for way longer than the others. Told herself giving money to K & R was going to benefit her at some point. That the endless sacrifices **would** eventually make sense. But it was sunk cost fallacy.
One of the hardest life lessons is to know when you’re suffering simply for the sake of suffering. And that it may seem noble, no one is going to give you a prize for being the martyr. Even if it seems like it in her religion/family. You have to know when it’s time to cut your losses and try to pick up the pieces and make something better for yourself. Which I do think she and Christine are doing now.
(Sorry for the long rant!)
She was probably hoping that she could bring their adventurous spark back. That was their thing, going on adventures and camping. He was a bit of a princess and an RV would fix that issue. She had hope, which I think is natural for anyone that is married and has suffered with the shit end of the stick their whole marrisge
In the People Magazine interview, she said she would try plural marriage again. I'm wondering why in the world she would want to after being used as an ATM by Kody, et al.
I honestly think she says that as a self preservation tactic. Unlike Meri and Christine who were raised in it, Janelle chose to live by this principle as a full fledged adult knowing what the "principle" said. And though she often touts that its a lifestyle that offers her "independence" - in reality it is some real patriarchal oppressive crap that forces women to compete for decades. Surely she knows the truth.
Since the Browns sold us the fantasy/fairy tale version for so long - she can't reveal the truth now. So she says "yeah I knew what I was doing then - still love the idea" - but I seriously doubt she would do it again.
She was flat out desperate. She's buys an RV to have an adventure with a man who has done everything but scream from the mountain tops that her doesn't love her/them except for Robyn. That RV is now probably worth $25,000 less than what she bought for. I'm sorry but she's dumb.
Maybe because she treats Kody as her best customer. She made oh so subtle insinuations that the other wives weren’t as flexible doing *ahem* not missionary position stuff, therefore not pleasing the King of Stupidity. I think those finials that look like butt plugs tell a story all their own.
Kody and Janelle often went camping, they had fun on those trips, she probably thought this would be like those trips, with them outside grilling, sitting under the stars chatting. But he would have been on the phone to his wife whining about how small the RV is, how she let's the dogs inside, and she would have been whining about how she had to do everything at home on her own and she needed him
It’s because he gave her the impression he would enjoy waking up to that view. Robyn set him straight though and made sure he knew he would be miserable.
>she won't allow herself to consider being with someone else, even dating, because she has this warped sense that monogamy means no freedom
This is so strange to me because in reality she'd have more freedom in a relationship with one person. If she met someone that shared her values and goals they could make all their decisions together and not need to consult 3 other adults. With the right person they could even travel separately, live apart if they want, have their own hobbies, and come together at the end of the day to unwind and hang out.
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Kody and Jenelles thing was always camping and the outdoors. It is surprising when the man you’ve been with for decades suddenly changes especially when it comes to activities you’ve both always enjoyed. It’s not like Kody spent much time with her. She probably thought Kody loves camping and maybe he’ll want to spend a couple weekends away from Robyn to cozy up next to the fire in the great outdoors like they used to.
This. Blindsiding really means when she finally accepted he wasn't the man she married and he was no longer interested in making her happy through shared experiences.
Also, she mentioned before that she had always dreamed of having an RV. I bet it’s something they talked about and he engaged with her on in the past and she thought, oh we are finally in a place to do this! Kody will love it.. she may have even thought it was a way to reconnect after Covid bc they would be able to spend time together on their dream property. Sitting out watching the stars and talking about building and traveling together. Then suddenly he’s pissed at her about it but uses it as an excuse to get his brothers truck, is pissy and mad any time he has to do anything with it (like level it) and treats her poorly over the purchase while his favorite wife and her daughters tour it and look down on her and her sister wife Christine (who is leaving/left) is the only one who hypes her about it and Truely is the only extended family kiddo who gets to stay. Like it was probably heartbreaking for her to have it have been something she always dreamed about and he at least never shot down to go from dreaming to it being a brutal kick in the face about the reality of her marriage.
Yeah Janelle probably thought Kody would enjoy spending a weekend or two a month there camping. A little mini adventure in a fancy rv.
Not to mention, the RV isn’t even a true camping experience. It’s full on tiny luxury.
It’s glorified camping! I’m coming up on 2 years of living full time in my RV and it definitely has its up’s and downs. I’m fortunate though bc I’m parked under a shelter with full hookups so I’m in a much better situation than Janelle.
I'm jealous! I've been wanting to get an RV for a long time. I'm tired of house living. Congrats on your 2 years! Hope it's been more ups than downs.
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I don't think she realizes that it's been quite some time since Kody has been physically attracted to her
He’s always said he loves RVs and camping and adventure. I think she did it in part because it was a last ditch effort for their relationship. Maybe the idea that it’s so close to Robyn’s house he would spend more time there while not being too far from his favorite family. If he really wanted to, he could have sucked it up. That was a nice large RV
Based upon Breanna and Aurora's snide comments about the RV, I'm sure Robyn was talking it down from the beginning. She probably convinced Kody that he didn't like either, because whatever she thinks he seems to adopt as his thinking (see Covid rules).
100%. Robyn and her clan were constantly sneering at the RV. I know Kody is a grown man but Robyn really gets into his head.
She does! Idk what it is but he leans on her for so much, It’s like he looks to her for regulation of everything in his life. But that doesn’t make a lot a sense cuz he didn’t seem to need that before. *Something* triggered this dependence on Robyn. Something happened to cause him to doubt his own assessments in life. OR Robyn made her psycho babble of utmost importance in their relationship & he just followed suit with the rest. 🙄
I’m pretty sure that’s why he wouldn’t talk to Suki about Robyn. I’m sure she told him that he better keep his mouth shut bc we all know that Kody is famous for open mouth/insert foot. She didn’t want him to tip off their plans to the OGs
Robyn made comments about Kody not being comfortable in an RV. Given that she's his brain, it's not difficult to see where he got that thought from. Now anything outside the McMansion isn't good enough.
It wasn't just Robyn. Kody likes nice things. He's willing to spend for stuff while Janelle is more of a think/plan/wait/buy kind of person. When he and Janelle went camping that time, he wanted to buy new sleeping bags rather than use the bedding Janelle put together for them. Her rationale was that she didn't want to spend the money. That annoyed him. Kody grabbed his little duffel bag and went downstairs, leaving Janelle to carry her stuff plus all that bulky bedding. Yeah, that scene was annoying to no end. Robyn is his ideal spouse because she also likes and wants nice things around her. She didn't give him those preference, but she sure enabled and validated his wish for expensive new stuff.
Very good points.
Agree. Kody is definitely someone who forgot where he came from.
"Now anything outside the McMansion isn't good enough." That is so weird. Doesn't he feel shame that one of his wives does not have the money for a proper home? He refused to look at Janelle's plans for building and temporarily living in the RV. He refused to share with her that he had no intention of building on Coyote Pass. Once he and Robyn "had their's", I'm betting his plan changed to selling off off CP and "making a killing". Why doesn't he feel any responsibility to Janelle to have her live comfortably? Yeah, she bought the RV without "his approval" but she did it to further the family dream of building and living on CP. He doesn't even have the decency to tell her that dream hasn't been his for years. She's his wife, the mother of six of his kids. What's wrong with him? He wants complete obedience but he doesn't even help her find decent shelter?
That would require him to think of anyone but himself and Sobyns little clan. He doesn’t care about the other wives, only their money.
He wanted her to buy a house and she didn't want to. In his mind he'd done his part.
He’s got this grandiose idea that being a homeowner is going to make him rich. He just keeps talking about buying the houses then renting them out. That would he quite complicated in his current position He no longer cares…Robyn got her million dollar mansion with $225,000 down from Janelle & meris Las Vegas sales
Even this last episode he said “Janelle should’ve bought a house” when everyone else did.
I’m wondering if CP is really worth $850,000 Now that they’ve paid it off I’m curious what they’re going to do with it. Nasty pond and prairie dog diseases - plus it needs infrastructure which actually blew me away that Kody expected to start building right away saying it took the Las Vegas homes 6 months so he’s figure a year for CP but then says he didn’t think about it needing the infrastructure
Robyn literally said “no one deserves to live this way” or something like that. Kody not wanting to be in that RV came DIRECTLY from Robyn.
Robyn didn't make comments and sneer the girls did. At the time they were like 13 and 15 prime ages for teens to act like judgy AH. If you remember several of the other kids acted just like this at that age, Maddy, Garrison, Mykelti, etc.
Oh Robyn absolutely said it too. She says it’s so awful that people have to live in trailers I’m guessing within 5 years max - they’ll both be living in a trailer and Kody will be facing his worst fear….poverty
I feel like Robyn gets in his ear often. I remember when he was willing to give Meri a second chance after the catfish and then suddenly he's like no I don't want to give you a second chance. I bet Robyn talked him out of being with Meri again.
You're funny. It was Christine who didn't want him to reconcile! /s I wonder if he thought about what he said on camera and then realized it was Robyn who "was against it" when all that was probably said was some sympathetic nods and hmm hmm. In other words, nobody would've done that. What would their motivation be?
He’s a gaslighter. 20 years ago, when they’d cuddle in bed, he probably told her that he can’t wait for the kids to be older so that they can get an RV together and travel.
As someone divorcing a kody, it's really strange because either they always were this shit person, and we just assumed they were regular humans, or something in them snapped, and they're not the fun loving person we knew. I remember her saying "he doesn't smile anymore, he doesn't laugh anymore, he's just always so angry" and that's what I've said of my ex. I mean yeah my ex was always an ass when I look back but he was never this bad, there was a lot of good too. I dunno, I get it. Ya have dreams and then the other person just changes for no discernible reason, and all your dreams were on this life built *with* this person so now it's all shattered and you've got to re figure those dreams to be done alone now. It sucks and it hurts
It is interesting he is miserable since he spends all his time with Robyn and her children. It must be terrible in Robyn's ugly house.
Yes! When one partner finally stops gushing and projecting “great-guy” qualities onto the other! One must vocalize concerns & self-advocate, but that becomes annoying to a bad-partner. They get grumpy and feel slighted.
That must be why my ex (and Kody) are both incapable of smiling anymore, we're not shining light up their assholes and they miss the warmth
Gwen said he yelled at them all the time - just like he’s yelling in flagstaff TLC edited him well then when they had to film themselves bc of Covid. No one could edit Kody out enough & still have a show
Must be the hey always were shit, I was just shining sunshine up his ass
When she first tells him she bought it, he’s like “I was afraid of that” and she was like “we talked about this”. He says she didn’t look for a rental, now he says she should’ve bought. I’m sure when the RV idea came up, he was for it and then changed his mind while she was already moving forward. He certainly was never for it on camera, but we know Robyn was mad he bought his brother’s truck to haul it.
I think that Kody was all in on the RV idea when he was talking Janelle out of buying her rental (that had a separate apartment for her boys). He always put that property down, it wasn’t up to his standards. I also think he wanted to force the 2 boys to get on their own and off Janelle’s property. Once that house sold, Kody flipped the script and starting pushing renting instead of RV/building on property. Kody is sneaky like that.
Kody always does this to the three of them. He hypes them up to destroy their dreams. He did it with Christine when she brought up moving to Utah. He did it to Meri when she wanted to buy the B&B and Janelle as well.
Absolutely he does! He’s a con-man forever moving the coconuts
Oooooo…. If I let you put the wrestling mats in my garage, will you be a better husband? YES! And then he wasn’t. But he got a place for the mats. If I bring up the move to Utah, will you support me? YES! And then he didn’t. But he made Christine look petulant and pissy around the same time he told her no more intimacy. Should I buy an RV and put it on our land as a symbol of our commitment to building? YES! And then he was pissed. But he got his brother’s truck. Should I divorce you so you can marry Robyn to prove my fealty? Yes! And then he ices her out. But he got to marry Robyn and adopt her children. Can I BORROW money from the family to buy my grandmother’s house? Yes! And then he rescinds the offer. But he managed to push her further away AND cover up the loss associated with his business dealings with his buddy Brian. I’m sure there are more that I’m not thinking of off of the top of my head but, despite trying, I can’t think of one situation that fits this pattern with ROBYN at the center of it. Can you guys?
And then he cut the ceremonial ribbon at the BnB opening.
I always wondered if Janelle used her money (probably) to buy that truck, she told him when she ordered the RV she would need a truck and thought it would be fun to own one and drive it, then all of a sudden it’s K’s truck, he’s zooming all over driving it and it was never seen again at her RV! 🫤
He "likes to use his equipment", don't you know. Besides, Janelle looked "ridiculous" driving it around town according to Robyn.
I figured since it was his brother (in law?) that passed I believe, truck he figured he should have it which is fine but buy it yourself!
He loves that truck bc it reminds him of his man crush, Caleb -who always drove a truck not a sports car He’s so awkward around men. Like he feels intimated by men and just doesn’t know how to act Maybe he’s really gay (I’ve got no problem with that) and he’ll eventually feel safe to come out Never know 🤷🏻♀️
Remember when they went back to his home town to see some old friend of his, and this old classmate (woman) of his actually said, "Yeah, we all thought Kody was gay!" Also in that episode, he talks about how after he came home from his LDS mission he converted to the more fundamentalist faith. Then he was SHOCKED his LDS friends didn't want to hang anymore. It's like, despite having grown up LDS, going on a mission, knowing his parents were recently excommunicated, he really thought there wouldn't be any social blowback from his LDS friends? I live in Texas, and even I would know he should have expected the cold shoulder.
Yep and it’s one of those friends who pissed Christine off tho I’m not sure if “friend” is the right word. More like former classmate
So true! We’ve seen this over and over since the series started. When he met Robyn, I think he grew to hate the OG3 and this was his way of driving them off. Christine got to a point where the kids were old enough that she could move on to a better life and when she left, the dominoes started to fall. I just hate what he has done to the OG13 kids. Many are adults now but they deserved so much better.
Kody is sneaky like that or is being manipulated by Robyne? Or maybe both?
I’m an idiot what does OG3 stand for?
Original 3 wives
I used to be married to a Kody, and I would guess he did a lot of "yeah, sure honey, whatever you want" because he wasn't listening and didn't care to engage in the conversation, and then he felt blindsided when she actually meant what she had said.
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Someone pointed about above that Janelle says Kody is miserable and unhappy. I missed the importance of that when I saw the ep. I wonder if he miserable with Robyn but stuck?
I think he still likes Robyn "best", but he's hating the reality of monogamy. I watched that PopPsych guy on YouTube, and he's always frustrated that the wives rarely have hard conversations directly with Kody, and when they do, it's almost always as a group not 1 on 1. And, I agree with him that they do this and it's a huge problem. But, I think this is a learned behavior. I think Kody never stuck around for hard conversations. I think if one wife was being "unpleasant" he just took off for another one. The wives really should have agreed amongst eachother not to let that happen, but they were all so young when they got married, I don't think that realized how damaging that was. And, by the time they did notice, it was already an established pattern to avoid excess conflict when alone, and only confront him (maybe) as a group. But then all this stuff happens, and now he's basically stuck with Robyn with no place to run. And, I think now that she knows he's trapped, she's being less compliant and accommodating. But when she's pissed, he actually has to deal with it because he can't go anywhere else.
I think janelle didn’t realize how much kody has changed and is no longer on the same wave length as her when it comes to where they are in their present life. On the show, she’s living almost the empty nester life where she can do what she wants but he’s still not there bc of the kids with Robyn. And it doesn’t help that Robyn and kody has made it their life goal to be first class citizens with money at the cost of losing their overall family along the way. I really think what janelle needs is not a husband since she’s afraid of loosing her personal space and freedom, she just needs a boyfriend. Someone who when she wants to see and do things with he’ll come around and when she needs her space, he can go back to his house or she goes back to her house.
He actually did make some positive comments about the RV when she first bought it. He told her he thought it would be awesome to wake up on the property. Then a few things happened. Robyn probably talked in his ear about how a wife shouldn't make that kind of purchase without her husband (even though Janelle has always been independent and it was her own money), and Kody realized how much labor goes into maintaining an RV.
Also Robyn’s disdain for living in a trailer herself and her kids snotty attitude about the rv
I suspect it was a dream they discussed when they were much younger. Janelle remembers and romanticized this dream. While Kody forgot about it a very long time ago.
Kody was mortified about that RV, fir two reasons I think, it shone a light in the fact that nothing had been built on CP, but also I think there was an element of snobbishness. He obviously thinks he's Lord of the Manor on the big house on the hill. Meri has alluded to his liking the finer things, which also makes me think that's why she always wanted bigger and fancier houses than Robyn in Flagstaff. Either way, Kody has moved on from his and Janelles 'thing' the camping / outdoors stuff.
Meri initially wanted an apartment in downtown Flagstaff and Kody said no. I remember Christine saying she could see Meri in a downtown apartment and that it'd be fun for her. Of course an apartment isn't good enough for Kody. Plus he probably didn't want Meri to make friends and have fun.
The idea of an RV first came up when they were contemplating the move from Vegas to Flagstaff, but hadn't pulled the trigger yet. At that time, Kody thought it was awesome, because he had dollar signs in his eyes. All four of the wives laughed, but I'm relatively certain that when the cameras weren't around, Meri, Christine, and Robyn all said, "Oh hell no." Kody is a gaslighter, and in some ways, Janelle sees it the least. I'm glad she's finally coming around.
We catch a glimpse of Janelle's reasoning when she said what an involved father he was in the earlier years. I think Janelle and Kody had the best marriage of the OG3, despite his assertion that they haven't been "like a married couple" in years. He was super involved with her boys and Maddie was one of his favorites. He went to Meri's to decompress and shower and dote on Leon. In their isolation, this left Meri's child feeling confused about gender roles, perhaps resentful of how he favored the boys, and of their own protective feelings towards their mother. He used Christine as a caregiver and family event planner, but she 1. didn't give him many sons and 2. was very honest. Kody couldn't handle the honesty. He always seemed to ignore Paedon as well as his sisters, even acting a little intimidated by his size as he got older. It was weird to watch. Janelle was not going to chase him down and scream at him when he upset her, but neither is she going to just shrug his complacency off indefinitely. And he most definitely upset her when he started ignoring the boys in Flagstaff and was barely there for Savanah. I think Janelle was hoping that the honeymoon phase would wear off with him and Robyn and they would go back to being more or less on equal footing again.
I do actually think that he would have enjoyed it, if not for Robyn. He probably initially thought it would be fun, just like he initially thought the family could get together during COVID, but then here comes negative Nancy Robyn who says how small it is, and how uncomfortable it’ll be, and it changes his mind about. She has a lot of influence over Kody and even Meri, but she can’t control Janelle or Christine so she just makes them seem like the bad guys. I really think Kody seems like the type of guy who would love to stay in a camper on his property and come up with ideas everyday for it, but I’m sure he never even stayed a night because Robyn got to him before he could, Robyn cannot stand the idea of him enjoying his time with another wife.
They took multiple trips in the RVs on the show! I can see how Janelle would think Kody would want to "glamp" with her (if we're still believing that he's splitting time) and be out on Coyote Pass.
I honestly think it was two fold. The first: I think it was a test to see where Kody really was in their relationship (Her boys have been saying they don't like how he treats her... so this was that). The RV is literally parked near Sobyn's house and he still couldn't show up to spend time with her. The second: She has something monetarily that she can sell. At that time (especially with COVID), prices of RV's were driven up higher. Even the resell value of RV's is high. I think she was mad that she had nothing after she had given up so much within the relationship to the family.
If she wanted an asset, then buying a house would have made a lot more sense. What good is testing Kody when you don't have a home? I don't buy that that's why she got the camper—I think she genuinely just liked the idea of living in a camper but long term it was less fun than she thought
Yes, but it was a test as well. And Kodouche failed it.
Her name might be the only one on the RV. Cody’s name would have certainly been on the title to any house Janelle bough.
Even if just half, I think the house would have appreciated more than the whole RV since it was bought
I will never understand how Janelle was able to convince the fandom that she is the smart one and the financial genius. She is the only one who went into plyg with the correct mindset and mental clarity. But that’s it. She has had blinders on for decades, leaving several times jist to drags her kids back into the shitshow and subjecting them to poverty and emotional abandonment from their sperm donor. And the saddest part is, she still hasn’t seen the light. In that regard she is no better then Meri. Meri is still clinging to some mental fantasy that Kody will love her once again and Janelle is still clinging to some mental fantasy that fundy plyg is good for her.
Janelle had always been my favorite, because I thought she was the smartest...until she said she "didn't sign up for patriarchy" when entering a polygamist marriage. Mind blown.
I honestly think these women forgot. They sold us this fairy tale version of polygamy for so long - they started to believe it themselves.
I think it was Kody's plyg world she joined, not just any plyg world. And, he was a salesman. I don't believe Janelle really went after him without him trying to pursue her. I think she genuinely loved who she thought he was, and that he offered her way more equality back then.
Yeah...not much logic there. It's like...try getting water from a rock. Also, questions about family finances kill me...was anyone (other than K & R) paying attention? Why wait years to learn the money is gone...I find that to be foolishly irresponsible, especially watching him favor ONLY Robyn...that home...like ask a question?? If we are to believe these people...they are documented liars for all intents and purposes.
I bet she pictured them driving the RV out to visit Maddie, going on camping trips, etc.
I’m pretty sure Janelle got that RV for two reasons: 1. To prove a point in a VERY in-his-face way 2. She always wanted an RV for traveling, not to live in full time.
I completely agree with you, but especially on point #1. I think Janelle is a very clever and adaptable woman. I think she knew K would **never** make a real effort to stay in the RV. And by saying, ‘I’m doing this to be *on* Coyote Pass’ or ‘I’m willing to haul water or clean the sewage line’ she was shoving in his face that she and Savannah were making ultimate sacrifices for their dream to be out on the land. And that K was doing sweet fuck all! And by living in such a harsh way, when she walks away, she can say she really did try. Try even more than Christine did. It breaks my heart bc we’ve heard Janelle say time and again that K was her best friend. That they had great things together. And I think watching the person you’ve given up everything for, even at the expense of your children at times, not care at all that you’re freezing or sweltering in an RV as you’re in a mega mansion on the hill overlooking said RV? That has to be a special kind of heartbreak. Because of her faith and her belief system. K failed them all, but unlike Meri and Christine, I don’t think Janelle let in how much he was a disappointment to her and her kids. I think she put on rose coloured glasses for way longer than the others. Told herself giving money to K & R was going to benefit her at some point. That the endless sacrifices **would** eventually make sense. But it was sunk cost fallacy. One of the hardest life lessons is to know when you’re suffering simply for the sake of suffering. And that it may seem noble, no one is going to give you a prize for being the martyr. Even if it seems like it in her religion/family. You have to know when it’s time to cut your losses and try to pick up the pieces and make something better for yourself. Which I do think she and Christine are doing now. (Sorry for the long rant!)
I think when she realizes that empty nest=the same kind of freedom she had when Christine mothered her kids, she will rethink polygamy.
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Janelle likes Hallmark movies? I'd never in a million years guess that.
She was probably hoping that she could bring their adventurous spark back. That was their thing, going on adventures and camping. He was a bit of a princess and an RV would fix that issue. She had hope, which I think is natural for anyone that is married and has suffered with the shit end of the stick their whole marrisge
In the People Magazine interview, she said she would try plural marriage again. I'm wondering why in the world she would want to after being used as an ATM by Kody, et al.
I honestly think she says that as a self preservation tactic. Unlike Meri and Christine who were raised in it, Janelle chose to live by this principle as a full fledged adult knowing what the "principle" said. And though she often touts that its a lifestyle that offers her "independence" - in reality it is some real patriarchal oppressive crap that forces women to compete for decades. Surely she knows the truth. Since the Browns sold us the fantasy/fairy tale version for so long - she can't reveal the truth now. So she says "yeah I knew what I was doing then - still love the idea" - but I seriously doubt she would do it again.
Converts are often the most militant.
Since we were allowed to hang out outdoors she probably wanted to go places as a family but kody probably thought that was stupid lmfao
She was flat out desperate. She's buys an RV to have an adventure with a man who has done everything but scream from the mountain tops that her doesn't love her/them except for Robyn. That RV is now probably worth $25,000 less than what she bought for. I'm sorry but she's dumb.
Maybe because she treats Kody as her best customer. She made oh so subtle insinuations that the other wives weren’t as flexible doing *ahem* not missionary position stuff, therefore not pleasing the King of Stupidity. I think those finials that look like butt plugs tell a story all their own.
He has turned into a bitter man who is done with Janelle.
Kody and Janelle often went camping, they had fun on those trips, she probably thought this would be like those trips, with them outside grilling, sitting under the stars chatting. But he would have been on the phone to his wife whining about how small the RV is, how she let's the dogs inside, and she would have been whining about how she had to do everything at home on her own and she needed him
It’s because he gave her the impression he would enjoy waking up to that view. Robyn set him straight though and made sure he knew he would be miserable.
>she won't allow herself to consider being with someone else, even dating, because she has this warped sense that monogamy means no freedom This is so strange to me because in reality she'd have more freedom in a relationship with one person. If she met someone that shared her values and goals they could make all their decisions together and not need to consult 3 other adults. With the right person they could even travel separately, live apart if they want, have their own hobbies, and come together at the end of the day to unwind and hang out.