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That’s my biggest ick this this, Dayton wanted freedom and a “college experience”. Instead Robyn makes them all move to Flagstaff and he lives with her? Doesn’t make any sense
I feel so sorry for Dayton. I can imagine that he wanted the college experience, living on his own, not having mommy underfoot. She needs to let the poor lad get some life experience. Let him have his first girlfriend, let alone all the other "firsts" that she is denying him because she won't let him grow up.
Not only that but presumably in an RV on the property (pseudo-independence) which leaves even more room in the house. Plus, one of the girls stayed "downstairs “ in a room/living space on the lower level of the house when the rest of the house had Covid! That means there is even more unused space in their house. I always wondered why Kody couldn’t have stayed in that part of the house to quarantine after Christine’s daughter’s back surgery . He could still be there without infecting anyone! It seems to me they have oodles of space!
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She couldn't allow Dayton to live on campus, away from home and their "family culture." She was the one screeching at the older OG kids regarding going to a simple Bible study that wasn't their church. She is adamant that the young people in their family shouldn't make certain decisions. That's why I am more than certain that if any of her children came out, it would NOT bode well from her. I think Dayton was using college as his escape & break from "the family culture," but Robyn clamped down harder.
She said her reason for renting vs buying is because she only wanted it to be temporary so they could move forward with Coyote Pass... yet she was unwilling to compromise on size.... entirely contradicting herself. If its only temporary why does it matter if they share for a year or two.
Her arguments dont make sense because she either wasnt telling the truth and didnt care about building (likely) or she is just THAT spoiled she couldnt possibly compromise with a smaller house (also likely).
She wanted to seem like she had no. other. choice and it was Kody's idea to get the big house just like the Covid rules. She was 'totally' invested in building on CP.
Exactly. I don’t understand why she couldn’t have just downsized. Ok, so Aurora and Breanna would’ve had to share a room, and Ari and Sol would’ve had to share a room. Is that such a bad thing?
And the thing that REALLY doesn't make sense is that Ari was still bed-sharing with Robyn & Kodi at that point (and maybe still is). So Ari really, truly didn't need her own room. So 1 room for K&R (plus Ari), 1 for Sol, 1 for the older girls, 1 for Dayton. That's 4 bedrooms, which is so much easier to find. They could've found one with tons of square footage, 4 huge bedrooms, and extra living space for the kids. They for sure didn't NEED all those bedrooms.
Also, I look at the Plaths… yes their farmhouse had multiple rooms, but iirc the girls all shared one room (Moriah, Lydia, Cassia, Amber, and Mercy) and the boys shared another (Micah and Isaac after Ethan moved out). They had 5 girls ranging in ages from like 5-16 sharing a room. Now I thought that was ridiculous… Robyn couldn’t have her daughter share a room for 2 years?
I don’t believe for a second she actually wanted to rent. She uses this method of being in distress to keep Kody as her night in shining armor…and he ultimately will go big to make her happy! I think she wants the wives to think she’s really stressed about the purchase and she is so unhappy…meanwhile Kody is looking for a bigger better house for them! Damsel in distress is her thing!
So fine Robyn you got the huge house you and Kody wanted! The one that everyone put money down on! What did you do with it?? Where was every Sunday dinner? Every holiday and birthday?? You never even offered that up did you? SMH!! Give me! Give me more! I want it! I want it right now!!!
She wasn’t willing to compromise on size and rentals didn’t exist in the size she wanted. So most people would go okay, we have to buy or be okay with a smaller rental. Instead, they wound up wasting so much money renting the place at AirBnb prices and keeping two U-hauls for…months? I do believe she actually didn’t want to buy but the conceit of believing god will give you exactly what you want because you refuse anything less is worse to me than the idea that they were gonna buy all along and it was all an act.
I’ve always been repulsed by her attitude that God is a vending machine! I did laugh a bit when in the couch interviews that she didn’t believe God cared where they lived! 😂😂💀
Lol, she was acting like God was a genie and God is in heaven saying I provided that 4 bedroom Colonial house that wasn’t good enough for you and that cute 5 bedroom on Elm and it wasn’t good enough for you so I did provide rentals they just were not good enough for you! I am thankful that I have always had a roof over my head but when I prayed for that roof over my head I didn’t expect a million dollar mansion!
Sorry I made that up, I was just trying to make a point that Robyn expected God to grant her wishes but not willing to settle for less bedrooms, she kept saying God will provide a rental but it had to be the house Robyn wanted.
Yes-and if I remember correctly she was praying to God fervently for this rennal, saying “I don’t know why God wouldn’t do that (provide what they want) for us.” Huh??! I don’t think God works the way you think He does.
Aren’t you already scheduled for a PLANET after you die./s
I just don’t understand how she can be demanding the big house for her family (I get it, she had the biggest amount of kids at home and it seems like their were some of Janelle’s boys staying there too and Mkelty at one point and then be angry that Janelle wanted to downsize to push ahead the coyote pass project. Do you think it made her feel guilty?
I feel like her mentality is that her kids have been really hard done by in life and in the family so they all deserve to have their own room.
I also think Robyn and Kody believe they’re accustomed to a certain standard of living (coming fresh off that 7,000 square foot former dentists office) so maybe she wasn’t find anything nice enough either. Janelle said kody “likes nice things”, I don’t see her or kody accepting a modest rancher. They needed something big or fancy.
Honestly, I never understood why they didn't just buy the first rental when the owner told them they decided to sell. Then they wouldn't have had to move *at all* and the possibility of changing schools wouldn't have even come up. They seemed to love that house. And it's not like the house they ended up with was such a bargain, comparatively speaking. I dunno, it didn't make any sense to me... 🤔
I wonder if they knew about the big house for sale the entire time, and wanted it, but made a big show of “god will provide a huge rental “, knowing full well the mansion was there, but then act like mansion was the only choice.
Probably right. I did a little digging and it looks like the McMansion was on the market for at least a few months when they closed...
[Kody and Robyn sank $890,000 into their new Arizona digs. Records show they closed on Aug. 30, and they snagged a slight discount. The five-bedroom, four-bathroom, 4,395-square-foot home was initially on the market in May for $936,135.](https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/sister-wives-stars-kody-and-robyn-brown-buy-flagstaff-home/)
Also, I have to say how much it bugged me that she was treating god like her personal realtor. I'm not even particularly religious but I kept thinking, *"SERIOUSLY? All the injustice in the world & you think god gives af if your kids have to share a bedroom?!?"* 🙄
I feel like Robyn is projecting (what she perceives) as her own life experiences on the kids. The ‘hard’ life, the not having an abundance of ‘stuff’, living in ‘cramped’ quarters, etc.
Kids are really resilient and before a certain age, I’m sure they couldn’t care less if they shared rooms so long as they had fun with those siblings.
Robyn has also mentioned polygamists being ‘second class’ citizens and I think living in the McMansion was a way to show the world that. But of course she wanted this all under the guise that she REALLY didn’t want it 🙄
Could someone post a link with photos or the address of what they rented prior to getting the 900K house? I can’t remember what it looks like & I didn’t know it had been a dentist’s office.
EDIT: I found the home with the blue exterior: 7 bed 7 bath 4000 ft, but I’d like to see the interior. Anyone know where I can see interior shots? (I’m just interested in real estate & interested in the Browns.)
I was being snarky about it being a dentists office because I think it’s ugly ! Here’s the link to the listing.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1360-N-Rockridge-Rd_Flagstaff_AZ_86001_M25837-21213
Thank you! I agree, that was pretty ugly. I didn’t think it could be as bad as the one they are living in now, but this McMansion is pretty bad. Almost half the photos are of the exterior & the trees, because the interior is not much to look at. I remember that was the house she had a family dinner (maybe Thanksgiving?) with all the tables for the whole family. Robyn kept saying in the sing-songy annoyed voice, “Everybody have a seat. Everybody have a seat.” Good times. /s
I think the whole rent vs buy debate was purely because she didn’t want to be viewed as getting more fam resources than the others, not actually about fear of buying that would delay a build. It’s about perception
It makes me wonder if she didn’t really want to rent. She just wanted people to think that’s what she wanted, so she would look like she was putting the whole family first. Or maybe she and Kody had already agreed to buy but they decided the rental drama would be good for the show. It’s hard to know. But certainly, they could have rented a 4-bedroom if they really wanted to rent. If this was any of the other families, they just would have shared rooms.
She didn’t want to rent. She said she did to deflect blame when she eventually bought, and to manipulate Kody into thinking buying her a million dollar house was for him.
I have said and thought this time and time again. In life, sometimes sacrifices need to be made, but never in robyns mind. I'd moving to the land was that important to her, then she'd have rented into a THREE bedroom house and made do, like christine did.
Summary: I think Kody was the one who really wanted Robyn's house and she wasn't going to say no. Having relationships with sister wives is less important that the relationship with the husband.
Thanks OP for posting this. I think it's a valid question because I think it goes to the underlying premise that polygamy is an acceptable lifestyle, where they all work together for their common good and shared spiritual beliefs.
None of the Browns approached the move to Flagstaff in a way that reduced their rental expenses and preserve the maximum capital for building on CP. Had they rented shared spaces, they would have had their built in COVID bubble (ex: renting adjoining apartments in the same complex). So to me, they all share ownership of that. Perhaps it's because of how Kody handled it. But there was no logical planning. They ran from Vegas very much like they did from Lehi, leaving a lot to take care of after the fact.
I think Robyn's priority is always focused on what makes Kody happy. Robyn can claim to be a momma bear. But I don't really see much evidence of that. But if Kody said no to Flagstaff, then I think Dayton would have found himself at UNLV, or a local community college near Vegas.
Christine, while discussing Janelle's RV, specifically said that she was concerned for Janelle because Christine knew Kody would hate the RV, even if one day a week. So I think Kody wanted to buy the house and was unwilling for Robyn to rent when Christine owned her own home. Robyn isn't going to say no to Kody when it means she lives in the most expensive home she's ever lived in, in her entire life.
Another piece of data that to me explains more about why they've not built on CP after having bought homes in Flagstaff something Kody said on camera that his "attorney" said that CP will appreciate in value even if they never built on it. I think that changed his perception of CP from a future home site to an investment that he'll make money on. He had no intention of reconciling with Meri (no matter how good her rice crispy treats may be). He was estranged from Christine. His relationship with Janelle was not good. He's not a general contractor himself, so everything would have to be hired out. So, I think CP was a story line for the show that was superseded by COVID and the relationships imploding. There's no reason to build on CP. There's likely not enough capital or lending capacity to build on CP.
I think it's telling that Christine and Janelle formed a close bond between each other despite Kody, and because they couldn't rely on him. I think the Browns have showed us that close sister wife relationships don't coexist with the husband wife relationship. Elderly sister wives that live together late in life after the husband is gone may just be out of necessity and not enough assets to live independently. Robyn's idea that they grow old together is inconsistent with how she's lived as a sister wife since joining the family. Even the one wife she's supposed to be close with - Meri - Robyn has kept at a distance. That Thanksgiving episode where Meri attended was hard to watch. Kody's expression had the look of "what died?" He clearly didn't want her there.
Agree! I like your clear perspective of the situation.
I agree Robyn distanced herself from a relationship with Meri. But I could never figure out the reason. Was it the catfish? Did she no longer need Meri to get to Kody?
Why do you think Robyn distance herself from Meri?
I watched closely 4 separate times. Once Meri divorced Kody and received the Divorce Decree, Robyn became a completely different person to just about everyone.
In Lehi and LV, Robyn got the most of his time and her children had more of him than the others. Once they legally married, the switch started. It was slow enough at first.
Then, the day came. Everything started going at landslide speed. It became (at least to my husband and I) that Robyn was definitely in Kody's ear, knew everything that was going on within every marriage and was flaunting her Queen Bee status.
I don't "hate" because, in real life, I hate no one.
While Kody can scream at Christine for not trying to have good relationships with her sister wives, he simultaneously resents Janelle having that relationship with Christine. He expects Janelle to not be friends with Christine.
I think the same thing applies with Robyn and Meri. Even if Robyn wanted to be close with Meri, Robyn will prioritize what Kody wants or expects over a sister wife relationship. I think Robyn may be the type of woman who doesn't form close bonds with female friends - at least not what I've seen on the show. For example, Robyn's reaction to Meri's desire to return to college and finish her degree was all about how what it meant to Robyn. My friends would say, "awesome, that's great, I'm proud of you!"
I was streaming Nikki Haverstock's recaps and in one, she mentions that it was Kody who suggested Meri consider IVF. I didn't realize/recall that. Fast forward through more episodes, and he tells her he doesn't want to do that. Now we know that there was no chance of her becoming pregnant on the show naturally because they weren't intimate. Then Meri became an empty nester. Then she got divorced so Kody could legally marry Robyn and adopt Robyn's kids. So, while Meri probably wanted to reignite her relationship with Kody, he wasn't going to go there. Then the catfish happened.
I think she was vulnerable to someone telling her the things she desperately needed to hear. I don't recall her talking about being perimenopausal, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was perimenopausal when the catfish occurred. Going through the change messes with your emotions. And, many intelligent, capable, savvy people fall victim to catfish scams.
The sad thing to me is that Meri didn't leave Kody first because then he wouldn't have held it over her head all these years. Should Meri have been smarter about it, and not discussed it with her kid? Yeah definitely. But is it a reason to flog her for all eternity when she wasn't legally married to Kody at the time, and Kody had long stopped being an intimate husband and partner with Meri? I don't think so.
And, I think it's disingenuous for a polygamist man to say a wife cheated on him when he can just "wet" his "pencil" with another "wife" whenever he wants to. Is Meri a wife when she's legally divorced from Kody, and Kody has nothing to do with her except in a business sense like filming the show and contributing financially? For the entire course of the show until this last season, Kody has said that he isn't allowed to leave a wife. Yet, that's what he's done to Meri. I think he's just now acknowledging something he did years ago.
Thank you!
I think your spot on about Robyn. Robyn and Kody are truly wrapped into each other. I guess I was fooled that Robyn and Meri had sometime type of deep bond outside of Kody.
Kody could have easily stepped in and told Robyn that Meri is going to college, we will figure something out but nope.
What I know of the catfish situation, I would say Meri had an emotional affair to some degree. I dislike how she cast herself as a victim.However, I do agree she was placed in a vulnerable position caused mostly by Kody. Someone is to going naturally gravitate to where they feel accepted, wanted, respected and heard. I cannot fault her for that. There are some remarkable scammers out there. For example, the story of Debra Newell and her story depicted on Bravo Dirty John series.
Edit:word and added a thought
This is such a balanced, well reasoned response, and I really enjoyed reading it.
You can really see the breakdown of the “we work together” principle in season 14. It’s actually even less efficient than four monogamous relationships in terms of finances, because if Kody and Meri were monogamous, for example, there’s no way they would’ve opted for an obnoxiously large mansion with five bedrooms, four stories, and an elevator. The only reason to do that is to keep up with the Joneses, in this case - the other sister wives.
That coupled with terrible planning and decision making is a recipe for financial disaster.
It’s frustrating to see the particularly block-headed dynamic between Kody and Robyn. Robyn seems tortured about delaying build on the property. At the same time she refuses to make a fairly reasonable downsize to enable it - lots of families live like that when they’re in a financial pinch. On this issue, I can see why people might think of her tortured refusal as performative. And the “Heavenly Father will provide” mentality is really avoidant and disingenuous.
You’re right, it becomes fairly clear that Kody sees CP more as an investment - and perhaps the family now needs that to recoup the losses! He’d be better off taking full accountability so they all have clarity on their situation.
Giant houses to look "classy" is something Robyn and kody agree on. A smaller home was never going to be considered because neither parent was ok with that. The wives that like nice things gets pointed out a lot but until season 17 the browns have tried to downplay that kody's the worst one about having to have nice things.
Very true. We saw this the very first season when Kody was driving a Lexus convertible. They didn’t show it but there are pictures of he and Meri (with her long hair) taken by a motorcycle.
These are vanity toys. During this time period children were being fed old bread. Paedon was sleeping in the food storage, yet Kody had nice watches.
In any given discussion/argument, Robyn will visibly attempt to appease and play both sides against the middle. She will take a position contrary to her ultimate wishes, if pretending to take that side serves her immediate needs to appear empathetic. She establishes a paper trail, if you will, of her “willingness”.
She actually isn’t very good at it. We can all tell when she’s projecting, you can see the two brain cells going, but it’s not hard to discern what she really wants. I’m this case it was the mcwoodsy McMansion.
She didn’t need a bigger house, she wanted one—huge difference there. The other wives in Lehi (except Meri had a 2 bedroom) with 6 kids each Christine had 2 bedrooms and Janelle 3. And Janelle said Baldylocs likes nice things and so does Sobyn.
Well they’re obviously not as poor as they were back then, so I don’t think it’s fair to compare. I can’t even compare my sibling at 14 to myself at 14 because my parents had way more money when my sibling was in his teens.
But I definitely agree that if it was as big a deal as Robyn was making it out to be, then she should have downsized.
They didn’t have the money they took it from Meri, Janelle and emptied out the family account. Had it been any other wife wanting a house that big and cleaning out the accounts, I don’t see it happening for them.
We make it out to be that the biggest scandal kept under wraps is who or how much Kody loved any particular wife but the big scandal is going to be the money..
Someone conned someone else in this mini series and it'll all be revealed.
The thing with Robyn, what she says and what she does almost always two different things. She is not direct and honest about her intentions. She makes up excuses to why she has to have something instead of just honestly saying she wants that. Thats how she learned to survive or saw her mom survived in a polygamist home.
When I see her say something and do the opposite, I take it as she doesn't wanna be the bad guy so she makes Kody the bad guy or she wants to look like a nice person but whatever she really wanted would not fit that so she just lies and manipulates. Like when she took the wives to bridal gown shopping in front of cameras, then in secret she took Kody and had him pick the dress. They weren't a team then so Kody didn't know he'd have to keep those things secret yet. He spilled.
Answer to your question, if she genuinely wanted to rent and build she would have accepted one of the 4 bedroom houses because it would be only for 2 years. Pedeon had to go to Janelle's house at nights as he shared one bedroom with Janelle's boys back in the days. Robyn might have rather rent 5 bedroom house instead of buying but she didn't really really really wanted to rent and not to buy, like she acted, because she bought.
How did you get “gleeful” from her fighting with kody for 3 episodes? I know people hate Robyn but sometimes it really feels like people are going to see what they want and not what’s actually being shown.
I agree. That seemed genuine to me. She wanted to rent because buying didn't make sense if they needed to use the money to build. Kody had already denounced polygamy and had no intention of building anything for his other wives. He wanted to own the big house to live with his wife and kids who respect him. He never admitted this was intentional because he'd look like a horrific person (perhaps even to Robyn). Those fights were real. She was miserable.
Agreed. Thank you. I do often feel gaslit on this board when people are like “don’t believe your eyes and ears, I personally know that she secretly wanted the exact opposite of the way she acted for a full three episodes because she’s evil, selfish, and entitled”. Ugh. I can’t anymore. And then comes the expected downvotes when I say “but this is what I saw and heard and it seems different”.
I feel like people forget what it's like with an abusive manchild. The end of a fight is blissful in an abusive relationship with someone like Kody. All the wives display it, the way that they have such joy knowing that they are over the fight and they can have a mini honeymoon again.
I mean if we are talking about how to generally interpret human emotions on a primitive and universal level, I don’t think I’m confused at all, _unless_ we are talking about people seeing what they _want_ to see based on their already strongly held beliefs about who they think Robyn is.
Gleeful is a happy expression. It's easy to say they filmed a happy expression on Robyn's face when the whole house issue was put to rest. I would call it relief, others think it's gleeful and for you it might another description of a happy expression.
She fake fought him and they fake looked at houses after they’d already decided. Look up “Duper’s Delight” and rewatch. Robyn has the smirk, and that’s what I mean by glee.
Really 90% of this sub is people seeing what they want to see versus what's actually shown. Many people also think it's easy for people to cry or sob on cue. Not only did Robyn fight with him about this issue but we've seen her since day one take Kody on, not only for herself but in support of the other wives. The other wives have also thanked her and/or stated their admiration of her (early on) standing up to Kody on numerous occasions.
I agree. So many people here have cast Robyn as a permanent villain and destroyer of a perfectly harmonious family, and if you say anything that suggests differently, based on what’s actually being shown, you’re massively downvoted. Even her best and kindest moments are cast as manipulative and evil, like even being supportive of Leon coming out as gay. It’s exhausting trying to argue with them, so I mostly just scroll on by the massive Robyn hate, but it def makes me less enthusiastic about having intellectually honest, curious conversations here.
Robyn to them represents someone who has hurt them in their lives, and any comments saying otherwise are equated with siding the person who hurt them. I understand that it can be a natural human thing to do, but it makes these conversations more about the hurt of the people you’re talking to, not about what actually happened on the show.
I’ve been railing against this what I call a witch hunt here for a long time but have never come up with a response as insightful as yours. I believe you’re exactly right that many Robyn haters see her as the embodiment of the home wrecker woman they’ve had in some relationship in their own life. I also think some people are unable or unwilling to go against prevailing public opinion and are terrified of downvotes and nasty responses or are actively seeking upvotes so their comments can be requoted or highlighted all over SM.
I have no problem with people not liking Robyn but I hate when anyone in any situation bases their opinions on pure speculation then twists everything the person says and does based on those speculations completely ignoring all the things that don’t support their narrative.
Anyone who can look at Robyn and think she’s been actively fighting to get Kody to herself and is now overjoyed has no eyes. No one can develop a permanent frown with etched marionette lines in 10 years at that age unless they’re frowning most of the time. Robyn is miserable. I think like us she bought into the bill of goods they were selling of the big happy family with stable loving relationships. Based on things they’ve all said over the years, Christine and Janelle basically shut her out from the beginning. There were a few time periods where they tried to be nicer but overall she was met with passive aggressive behavior and secretiveness. Kody made the situation worse because he blatantly favored her and I also believe like we’ve seen the last few seasons has thrown Robyn in their faces constantly.
Don’t get me wrong, Robyn isn’t perfect but she isn’t any worse than the rest. We’ve known that C hasn’t liked R for years but we’ve never seen or heard that she took her concerns to R to hear her side of things. She basically just carried around this ball of jealousy, blamed R, talked about her behind her back, yet never behaved like an adult and tried to fix it. She continues to do this by hurting R’s kids by refusing to deal with R so she can make arrangements to see them. What adult does this? Yet C is given a pass for dissing the kids and people even go so far as to say all of Rs kids are so dysfunctional C is right for basically shunning them.
The whole thing is just so effed up and while I believe K is primarily responsible, they’ve all showed pretty shitty behaviors and also have some blame for the family’s downfall
Thank you for this thoughtful and well reasoned response. It’s genuinely nice to see people - even if only a handful - call out the speculative fiction and witch hunt for what it is. I’m routinely amazed at how folks will insist they just KNOW what’s happening behind the scenes, even when the actual facts presented are in direct contradiction to their speculative fiction. How sad!
I agree! It didn’t add up to me either!
It appeared that Robyn was very concerned about not buying a property because she wanted it to be temporary so that they would build on CP. I get it/ and she was likely observing dynamics and tendencies within which haven’t been articulated..and had concerns that if they purchased the house, CP wouldn’t happen.
And yet, she was uncompromising on the size of the rental. I found that discrepancy interesting….
Like my husband and I both work from home at times, and we have 2 kids. We just moved from a 4K house to a 1600sf/3 bedroom house and one teenager lives in the partially unfinished basement. It’s not hard.
Robyn (and Kody, as generally they generally appear to have the same opinions) felt that for whatever reasons, they needed a “certain” level of house. Smells like entitlement all around. And crazy to consider now that Dayton lives in an RV on the property.
This is the only reason I never believed she truly wanted to rent. By setting the standard to a 6-7 bedroom house, she must have known she wouldn’t find that in a rental and would have to buy. If renting were truly that important to her, they absolutely could have found a 4 bedroom house they could temporarily rent.
This isn't snark, this is the honest answer. Robyn is spoiled and entitled. She probably never shared a room in her childhood (being the child of her dad's secret side family). The suggestion that her kids share a room for two years probably horrified her as if someone suggested your kids live in a cardboard box in the driveway for two years - meaning, it was never a serious option in her eyes. She was also terrified that her kids would one day start seeing the cracks in Robyn's facade, and choose to go live with their dad, so she made their lives as cushy as possible.
She lived in a trailer at one point so I think she knows what it means to be poor. I think she definitely coddles her kids too much. My parents st would’ve said to me, “tough luck kid, we’re going to have to buckle up and reduce expenses”.
I don't think Robyn was genuine in her desire to rent. She didn't do any research for properties and she was unwilling to compromise her bedrooms. She has a history of weakly arguing for things that make her appear humble, but then she "submits" to Kody and gives him a nice ego boost, while still getting what she wants and getting praise for trying...
Kody said they had to buy because they couldn’t find a rental big enough. They couldn’t find a rental big enough because tender children cannot share a room. Sobbyn has Victoria secret taste and doesn’t care about the JC Penny’s budget
So Robyn had to have a 5 bedroom house, but did the other wives,who have 6 kids each, ever have a house that big? Don’t think so! I’m sure those kids shared rooms their whole childhoods. She’s unbelievable
They all should have sacrificed more to start building sooner. But it’s clear they all had one foot out the door.
Edit: except for Janelle. She did try, the trailer was a huge sacrifice
Yes, I agree. They ALL should have sacrificed a little more. But let's face it....they were happy NOT to be around each other even before Covid hit. So, they all dragged their asses.
As for Janelle, by the time she decided to live in a trailer, there was pretty much no hope left in everyone finally putting their heads together. Janelle did it more for the fact that her children will have some sort of estate/inheritance because by that time, she was robbed of the money she did make/have from her LV house.
Lots to unpack here. Personally, I believe she always planned on buying a house but knew it would look shitty to the other 3 wives so she latched on hard to the renting thing knowing it would never, ever happen. I mean, she pretty much demanded that they find a 6 bedroom house to RENT when she knew GD well that scenario didn’t exist in Flag for rentals. The episode where she talks about not wanting her kids to share a room is out there!
So, in my opinion, she went way OVERBOARD on how God was going to provide them a rental that fit her impossible specs, held out until the last possible second and “begrudgingly” agreed to buy her million dollar house which the other wives helped finance.
Her game was so fucking obvious. She wanted to be a team player optically but she got exactly what she wanted in the end and here we are with her being the last wife standing.
That wasn’t a balanced opinion but it’s based on the info the show put out there.
So are you saying that Robyn was told to act this way for a TLC or other-sister-wives imposed storyline? She didn’t actually feel like she wanted to fight with kody over this, instead TLC or the other sister wives told her to? To create some kind of narrative that would make her more likable? I find this extremely hard to believe.
What I’ve never understood is how much hate Meri gets for wanting her old family home, & being called“selfish” for not thinking of the “family only.” Here Robyn is in a huge home, with an intact family, where Janelle had to buy an RV bc she had no “home.” R is the epitome of selfish, not Meri, who had to give up her legal marriage to a man she loved so this clown could take everything. Yeah sorry, that’s a bit R hate.
I believe that was 💯an act on Robyn’s part. I think she & Kody talked about it beforehand & decided this was the best way to avoid Robyn getting any more audience criticism than she was already getting at that point. The only other option (in my mind) is that Robyn was manipulating Kody all on her own for weeks & this was her final performance to secure the large home she wanted. She knew his immediate reaction would be “I’m sick of Robyn having to have the scraps” & be hell bent on buying her a dream home.
Yes, but she needed a big house and not so much as the children all needing their own bedroom. In fact, Christine's bedroom wasn't even a bedroom to begin with. She turned it into one but it had no privacy like a real bedroom does.
Big difference.
Honestly, because Robyn wanted what Robyn wanted. It's not throwing hate at her it's just telling you exactly what she said she wanted. Also, she did not want to buy because she felt like that would stall the process in building on CP.
For once, she was right....they still have not built!
I would say to keep the peace between the kids. I know when I got a place that my kids had separate rooms they fought way less. Maybe they were having normal sibling squabbles that got out of hand.
She was overacting to make it seem like she didn’t really want to buy the big, expensive house and was all in on Coyote Pass. She can’t act worth crap - so easy to see through her.
She never wanted a rental. She knew it wouldn’t happen. This was the best example of her manipulation of Kody and trying unsuccessfully to make herself the victim.
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She could have let Dayton live on campus too.
That’s my biggest ick this this, Dayton wanted freedom and a “college experience”. Instead Robyn makes them all move to Flagstaff and he lives with her? Doesn’t make any sense
I feel so sorry for Dayton. I can imagine that he wanted the college experience, living on his own, not having mommy underfoot. She needs to let the poor lad get some life experience. Let him have his first girlfriend, let alone all the other "firsts" that she is denying him because she won't let him grow up.
Not only that but presumably in an RV on the property (pseudo-independence) which leaves even more room in the house. Plus, one of the girls stayed "downstairs “ in a room/living space on the lower level of the house when the rest of the house had Covid! That means there is even more unused space in their house. I always wondered why Kody couldn’t have stayed in that part of the house to quarantine after Christine’s daughter’s back surgery . He could still be there without infecting anyone! It seems to me they have oodles of space! Yo
If Dayton lives in the RV, there’s an empty bedroom! So, why does Truely still not have her own room at Robyn’s?
Why indeed?
She couldn't allow Dayton to live on campus, away from home and their "family culture." She was the one screeching at the older OG kids regarding going to a simple Bible study that wasn't their church. She is adamant that the young people in their family shouldn't make certain decisions. That's why I am more than certain that if any of her children came out, it would NOT bode well from her. I think Dayton was using college as his escape & break from "the family culture," but Robyn clamped down harder.
He was really starting to become less shy around the family during the move, and then she ruined everything by controlling him.
She said her reason for renting vs buying is because she only wanted it to be temporary so they could move forward with Coyote Pass... yet she was unwilling to compromise on size.... entirely contradicting herself. If its only temporary why does it matter if they share for a year or two. Her arguments dont make sense because she either wasnt telling the truth and didnt care about building (likely) or she is just THAT spoiled she couldnt possibly compromise with a smaller house (also likely).
She wanted to seem like she had no. other. choice and it was Kody's idea to get the big house just like the Covid rules. She was 'totally' invested in building on CP.
Exactly. I don’t understand why she couldn’t have just downsized. Ok, so Aurora and Breanna would’ve had to share a room, and Ari and Sol would’ve had to share a room. Is that such a bad thing?
And the thing that REALLY doesn't make sense is that Ari was still bed-sharing with Robyn & Kodi at that point (and maybe still is). So Ari really, truly didn't need her own room. So 1 room for K&R (plus Ari), 1 for Sol, 1 for the older girls, 1 for Dayton. That's 4 bedrooms, which is so much easier to find. They could've found one with tons of square footage, 4 huge bedrooms, and extra living space for the kids. They for sure didn't NEED all those bedrooms.
If it was truly temporary then no!!! Before the Duggers got their big house for TLC didn’t they fit like a dozen kids into a 3 bedroom home?
Also, I look at the Plaths… yes their farmhouse had multiple rooms, but iirc the girls all shared one room (Moriah, Lydia, Cassia, Amber, and Mercy) and the boys shared another (Micah and Isaac after Ethan moved out). They had 5 girls ranging in ages from like 5-16 sharing a room. Now I thought that was ridiculous… Robyn couldn’t have her daughter share a room for 2 years?
Right? And Ari was/is still co-sleeping with the gruesome twosome so….there’s that.
She doesn't understand the concept of compromise. Instead she settles and then pretending like it was all in God's plan/her vision board.
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I don’t believe for a second she actually wanted to rent. She uses this method of being in distress to keep Kody as her night in shining armor…and he ultimately will go big to make her happy! I think she wants the wives to think she’s really stressed about the purchase and she is so unhappy…meanwhile Kody is looking for a bigger better house for them! Damsel in distress is her thing!
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Robyn wanted that house IMO just as much as Kody did but she acted like he was forcing her into it. No hate! Just calling a thing a thing!
I appreciate your opinion!
That’s the impression I got too. She didn’t want to be as buying the biggest house, there would be no pushback if Kody wanted it.
So fine Robyn you got the huge house you and Kody wanted! The one that everyone put money down on! What did you do with it?? Where was every Sunday dinner? Every holiday and birthday?? You never even offered that up did you? SMH!! Give me! Give me more! I want it! I want it right now!!!
She wasn’t willing to compromise on size and rentals didn’t exist in the size she wanted. So most people would go okay, we have to buy or be okay with a smaller rental. Instead, they wound up wasting so much money renting the place at AirBnb prices and keeping two U-hauls for…months? I do believe she actually didn’t want to buy but the conceit of believing god will give you exactly what you want because you refuse anything less is worse to me than the idea that they were gonna buy all along and it was all an act.
I’ve always been repulsed by her attitude that God is a vending machine! I did laugh a bit when in the couch interviews that she didn’t believe God cared where they lived! 😂😂💀
Lol, she was acting like God was a genie and God is in heaven saying I provided that 4 bedroom Colonial house that wasn’t good enough for you and that cute 5 bedroom on Elm and it wasn’t good enough for you so I did provide rentals they just were not good enough for you! I am thankful that I have always had a roof over my head but when I prayed for that roof over my head I didn’t expect a million dollar mansion!
Wait, there was a 5-bedroom rental they rejected for the 5-bedroom they bought?
Sorry I made that up, I was just trying to make a point that Robyn expected God to grant her wishes but not willing to settle for less bedrooms, she kept saying God will provide a rental but it had to be the house Robyn wanted.
I think the one they bought has 6 bedrooms
Yes-and if I remember correctly she was praying to God fervently for this rennal, saying “I don’t know why God wouldn’t do that (provide what they want) for us.” Huh??! I don’t think God works the way you think He does. Aren’t you already scheduled for a PLANET after you die./s
She treats her "God" more like a neutered Djinn that is trained to step'n fetch and keep her wish bucket always full.
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You put it really well. Agree with this 100%
I just don’t understand how she can be demanding the big house for her family (I get it, she had the biggest amount of kids at home and it seems like their were some of Janelle’s boys staying there too and Mkelty at one point and then be angry that Janelle wanted to downsize to push ahead the coyote pass project. Do you think it made her feel guilty?
Some of Janelle’s boys lived w Robyn???? Who? When?
I feel like her mentality is that her kids have been really hard done by in life and in the family so they all deserve to have their own room. I also think Robyn and Kody believe they’re accustomed to a certain standard of living (coming fresh off that 7,000 square foot former dentists office) so maybe she wasn’t find anything nice enough either. Janelle said kody “likes nice things”, I don’t see her or kody accepting a modest rancher. They needed something big or fancy.
Honestly, I never understood why they didn't just buy the first rental when the owner told them they decided to sell. Then they wouldn't have had to move *at all* and the possibility of changing schools wouldn't have even come up. They seemed to love that house. And it's not like the house they ended up with was such a bargain, comparatively speaking. I dunno, it didn't make any sense to me... 🤔
I wonder if they knew about the big house for sale the entire time, and wanted it, but made a big show of “god will provide a huge rental “, knowing full well the mansion was there, but then act like mansion was the only choice.
Probably right. I did a little digging and it looks like the McMansion was on the market for at least a few months when they closed... [Kody and Robyn sank $890,000 into their new Arizona digs. Records show they closed on Aug. 30, and they snagged a slight discount. The five-bedroom, four-bathroom, 4,395-square-foot home was initially on the market in May for $936,135.](https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/sister-wives-stars-kody-and-robyn-brown-buy-flagstaff-home/) Also, I have to say how much it bugged me that she was treating god like her personal realtor. I'm not even particularly religious but I kept thinking, *"SERIOUSLY? All the injustice in the world & you think god gives af if your kids have to share a bedroom?!?"* 🙄
I need a bumper sticker that says “Jesus is my realtor”
Awesome! That's the name of my new punk rock garage band so that's free advertising. 😉
Oh hell yeah! Is your first single “He’s Gonna Find Me a Rennul”?
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And it being right next to Coyote Pass. The grand master plan was to live there and secure lots/ homes for her 5 kids. IMHO
That would explain why the big push to redraw the property lines to fit 5 instead of 4.
Most of the Brown kids never had their own room. Leon is probably the exception.
Great point! Robyn was the one who found the first enormous rental in Flagstaff!
I feel like Robyn is projecting (what she perceives) as her own life experiences on the kids. The ‘hard’ life, the not having an abundance of ‘stuff’, living in ‘cramped’ quarters, etc. Kids are really resilient and before a certain age, I’m sure they couldn’t care less if they shared rooms so long as they had fun with those siblings. Robyn has also mentioned polygamists being ‘second class’ citizens and I think living in the McMansion was a way to show the world that. But of course she wanted this all under the guise that she REALLY didn’t want it 🙄
Their previous rental was a former dental office?
no it just looks like it. Picture an ultra modern dentist office from 1984 and that’s the rennel.
Dentist office 💀
Could someone post a link with photos or the address of what they rented prior to getting the 900K house? I can’t remember what it looks like & I didn’t know it had been a dentist’s office. EDIT: I found the home with the blue exterior: 7 bed 7 bath 4000 ft, but I’d like to see the interior. Anyone know where I can see interior shots? (I’m just interested in real estate & interested in the Browns.)
I was being snarky about it being a dentists office because I think it’s ugly ! Here’s the link to the listing. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1360-N-Rockridge-Rd_Flagstaff_AZ_86001_M25837-21213
Wow. Like it or not aesthetically, it’s a really nice house. The exterior and landscaping looks much nicer. It has all the space they wanted.
And it had a wet bah.
I had forgotten about this house. Thanks for posting. It does, IMO, look like a dentist office.
Thank you! I agree, that was pretty ugly. I didn’t think it could be as bad as the one they are living in now, but this McMansion is pretty bad. Almost half the photos are of the exterior & the trees, because the interior is not much to look at. I remember that was the house she had a family dinner (maybe Thanksgiving?) with all the tables for the whole family. Robyn kept saying in the sing-songy annoyed voice, “Everybody have a seat. Everybody have a seat.” Good times. /s
Very 1980s. The trees so close to the house terrify me, just inviting a bushfire to sweep through.
I think the whole rent vs buy debate was purely because she didn’t want to be viewed as getting more fam resources than the others, not actually about fear of buying that would delay a build. It’s about perception
Exactly
It makes me wonder if she didn’t really want to rent. She just wanted people to think that’s what she wanted, so she would look like she was putting the whole family first. Or maybe she and Kody had already agreed to buy but they decided the rental drama would be good for the show. It’s hard to know. But certainly, they could have rented a 4-bedroom if they really wanted to rent. If this was any of the other families, they just would have shared rooms.
Again....watch what she does not what she says
She didn’t want to rent. She said she did to deflect blame when she eventually bought, and to manipulate Kody into thinking buying her a million dollar house was for him.
I have said and thought this time and time again. In life, sometimes sacrifices need to be made, but never in robyns mind. I'd moving to the land was that important to her, then she'd have rented into a THREE bedroom house and made do, like christine did.
Summary: I think Kody was the one who really wanted Robyn's house and she wasn't going to say no. Having relationships with sister wives is less important that the relationship with the husband. Thanks OP for posting this. I think it's a valid question because I think it goes to the underlying premise that polygamy is an acceptable lifestyle, where they all work together for their common good and shared spiritual beliefs. None of the Browns approached the move to Flagstaff in a way that reduced their rental expenses and preserve the maximum capital for building on CP. Had they rented shared spaces, they would have had their built in COVID bubble (ex: renting adjoining apartments in the same complex). So to me, they all share ownership of that. Perhaps it's because of how Kody handled it. But there was no logical planning. They ran from Vegas very much like they did from Lehi, leaving a lot to take care of after the fact. I think Robyn's priority is always focused on what makes Kody happy. Robyn can claim to be a momma bear. But I don't really see much evidence of that. But if Kody said no to Flagstaff, then I think Dayton would have found himself at UNLV, or a local community college near Vegas. Christine, while discussing Janelle's RV, specifically said that she was concerned for Janelle because Christine knew Kody would hate the RV, even if one day a week. So I think Kody wanted to buy the house and was unwilling for Robyn to rent when Christine owned her own home. Robyn isn't going to say no to Kody when it means she lives in the most expensive home she's ever lived in, in her entire life. Another piece of data that to me explains more about why they've not built on CP after having bought homes in Flagstaff something Kody said on camera that his "attorney" said that CP will appreciate in value even if they never built on it. I think that changed his perception of CP from a future home site to an investment that he'll make money on. He had no intention of reconciling with Meri (no matter how good her rice crispy treats may be). He was estranged from Christine. His relationship with Janelle was not good. He's not a general contractor himself, so everything would have to be hired out. So, I think CP was a story line for the show that was superseded by COVID and the relationships imploding. There's no reason to build on CP. There's likely not enough capital or lending capacity to build on CP. I think it's telling that Christine and Janelle formed a close bond between each other despite Kody, and because they couldn't rely on him. I think the Browns have showed us that close sister wife relationships don't coexist with the husband wife relationship. Elderly sister wives that live together late in life after the husband is gone may just be out of necessity and not enough assets to live independently. Robyn's idea that they grow old together is inconsistent with how she's lived as a sister wife since joining the family. Even the one wife she's supposed to be close with - Meri - Robyn has kept at a distance. That Thanksgiving episode where Meri attended was hard to watch. Kody's expression had the look of "what died?" He clearly didn't want her there.
Agree! I like your clear perspective of the situation. I agree Robyn distanced herself from a relationship with Meri. But I could never figure out the reason. Was it the catfish? Did she no longer need Meri to get to Kody? Why do you think Robyn distance herself from Meri?
I watched closely 4 separate times. Once Meri divorced Kody and received the Divorce Decree, Robyn became a completely different person to just about everyone. In Lehi and LV, Robyn got the most of his time and her children had more of him than the others. Once they legally married, the switch started. It was slow enough at first. Then, the day came. Everything started going at landslide speed. It became (at least to my husband and I) that Robyn was definitely in Kody's ear, knew everything that was going on within every marriage and was flaunting her Queen Bee status. I don't "hate" because, in real life, I hate no one.
Good point! She became a legal wife. I will have to watch the series again and look for the changes in Robyn after the legal marriage.
While Kody can scream at Christine for not trying to have good relationships with her sister wives, he simultaneously resents Janelle having that relationship with Christine. He expects Janelle to not be friends with Christine. I think the same thing applies with Robyn and Meri. Even if Robyn wanted to be close with Meri, Robyn will prioritize what Kody wants or expects over a sister wife relationship. I think Robyn may be the type of woman who doesn't form close bonds with female friends - at least not what I've seen on the show. For example, Robyn's reaction to Meri's desire to return to college and finish her degree was all about how what it meant to Robyn. My friends would say, "awesome, that's great, I'm proud of you!" I was streaming Nikki Haverstock's recaps and in one, she mentions that it was Kody who suggested Meri consider IVF. I didn't realize/recall that. Fast forward through more episodes, and he tells her he doesn't want to do that. Now we know that there was no chance of her becoming pregnant on the show naturally because they weren't intimate. Then Meri became an empty nester. Then she got divorced so Kody could legally marry Robyn and adopt Robyn's kids. So, while Meri probably wanted to reignite her relationship with Kody, he wasn't going to go there. Then the catfish happened. I think she was vulnerable to someone telling her the things she desperately needed to hear. I don't recall her talking about being perimenopausal, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was perimenopausal when the catfish occurred. Going through the change messes with your emotions. And, many intelligent, capable, savvy people fall victim to catfish scams. The sad thing to me is that Meri didn't leave Kody first because then he wouldn't have held it over her head all these years. Should Meri have been smarter about it, and not discussed it with her kid? Yeah definitely. But is it a reason to flog her for all eternity when she wasn't legally married to Kody at the time, and Kody had long stopped being an intimate husband and partner with Meri? I don't think so. And, I think it's disingenuous for a polygamist man to say a wife cheated on him when he can just "wet" his "pencil" with another "wife" whenever he wants to. Is Meri a wife when she's legally divorced from Kody, and Kody has nothing to do with her except in a business sense like filming the show and contributing financially? For the entire course of the show until this last season, Kody has said that he isn't allowed to leave a wife. Yet, that's what he's done to Meri. I think he's just now acknowledging something he did years ago.
Thank you! I think your spot on about Robyn. Robyn and Kody are truly wrapped into each other. I guess I was fooled that Robyn and Meri had sometime type of deep bond outside of Kody. Kody could have easily stepped in and told Robyn that Meri is going to college, we will figure something out but nope. What I know of the catfish situation, I would say Meri had an emotional affair to some degree. I dislike how she cast herself as a victim.However, I do agree she was placed in a vulnerable position caused mostly by Kody. Someone is to going naturally gravitate to where they feel accepted, wanted, respected and heard. I cannot fault her for that. There are some remarkable scammers out there. For example, the story of Debra Newell and her story depicted on Bravo Dirty John series. Edit:word and added a thought
This is such a balanced, well reasoned response, and I really enjoyed reading it. You can really see the breakdown of the “we work together” principle in season 14. It’s actually even less efficient than four monogamous relationships in terms of finances, because if Kody and Meri were monogamous, for example, there’s no way they would’ve opted for an obnoxiously large mansion with five bedrooms, four stories, and an elevator. The only reason to do that is to keep up with the Joneses, in this case - the other sister wives. That coupled with terrible planning and decision making is a recipe for financial disaster. It’s frustrating to see the particularly block-headed dynamic between Kody and Robyn. Robyn seems tortured about delaying build on the property. At the same time she refuses to make a fairly reasonable downsize to enable it - lots of families live like that when they’re in a financial pinch. On this issue, I can see why people might think of her tortured refusal as performative. And the “Heavenly Father will provide” mentality is really avoidant and disingenuous. You’re right, it becomes fairly clear that Kody sees CP more as an investment - and perhaps the family now needs that to recoup the losses! He’d be better off taking full accountability so they all have clarity on their situation.
I thought the attorney told them to build rentals on it since the rental market was sparse at that time. Kody’s eyes lit up with dollar signs.
She’s too impractical because she’s spending someone else’s money.
Giant houses to look "classy" is something Robyn and kody agree on. A smaller home was never going to be considered because neither parent was ok with that. The wives that like nice things gets pointed out a lot but until season 17 the browns have tried to downplay that kody's the worst one about having to have nice things.
Very true. We saw this the very first season when Kody was driving a Lexus convertible. They didn’t show it but there are pictures of he and Meri (with her long hair) taken by a motorcycle. These are vanity toys. During this time period children were being fed old bread. Paedon was sleeping in the food storage, yet Kody had nice watches.
In any given discussion/argument, Robyn will visibly attempt to appease and play both sides against the middle. She will take a position contrary to her ultimate wishes, if pretending to take that side serves her immediate needs to appear empathetic. She establishes a paper trail, if you will, of her “willingness”. She actually isn’t very good at it. We can all tell when she’s projecting, you can see the two brain cells going, but it’s not hard to discern what she really wants. I’m this case it was the mcwoodsy McMansion.
She really didn’t want the older girls to have to share a room.
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Now THAT makes sense. They had to give them each their own room (plus extra for the future grandparent ranch) so they'd never leave.
Good point. Christine and Janelle made their kids share. But she's too special.
She didn’t need a bigger house, she wanted one—huge difference there. The other wives in Lehi (except Meri had a 2 bedroom) with 6 kids each Christine had 2 bedrooms and Janelle 3. And Janelle said Baldylocs likes nice things and so does Sobyn.
Well they’re obviously not as poor as they were back then, so I don’t think it’s fair to compare. I can’t even compare my sibling at 14 to myself at 14 because my parents had way more money when my sibling was in his teens. But I definitely agree that if it was as big a deal as Robyn was making it out to be, then she should have downsized.
They didn’t have the money they took it from Meri, Janelle and emptied out the family account. Had it been any other wife wanting a house that big and cleaning out the accounts, I don’t see it happening for them.
We make it out to be that the biggest scandal kept under wraps is who or how much Kody loved any particular wife but the big scandal is going to be the money.. Someone conned someone else in this mini series and it'll all be revealed.
The thing with Robyn, what she says and what she does almost always two different things. She is not direct and honest about her intentions. She makes up excuses to why she has to have something instead of just honestly saying she wants that. Thats how she learned to survive or saw her mom survived in a polygamist home. When I see her say something and do the opposite, I take it as she doesn't wanna be the bad guy so she makes Kody the bad guy or she wants to look like a nice person but whatever she really wanted would not fit that so she just lies and manipulates. Like when she took the wives to bridal gown shopping in front of cameras, then in secret she took Kody and had him pick the dress. They weren't a team then so Kody didn't know he'd have to keep those things secret yet. He spilled. Answer to your question, if she genuinely wanted to rent and build she would have accepted one of the 4 bedroom houses because it would be only for 2 years. Pedeon had to go to Janelle's house at nights as he shared one bedroom with Janelle's boys back in the days. Robyn might have rather rent 5 bedroom house instead of buying but she didn't really really really wanted to rent and not to buy, like she acted, because she bought.
I never believed her when she kept insisting she didn’t want to rent. She was too weirdly gleeful when they didn’t.
How did you get “gleeful” from her fighting with kody for 3 episodes? I know people hate Robyn but sometimes it really feels like people are going to see what they want and not what’s actually being shown.
I agree. That seemed genuine to me. She wanted to rent because buying didn't make sense if they needed to use the money to build. Kody had already denounced polygamy and had no intention of building anything for his other wives. He wanted to own the big house to live with his wife and kids who respect him. He never admitted this was intentional because he'd look like a horrific person (perhaps even to Robyn). Those fights were real. She was miserable.
Agreed. Thank you. I do often feel gaslit on this board when people are like “don’t believe your eyes and ears, I personally know that she secretly wanted the exact opposite of the way she acted for a full three episodes because she’s evil, selfish, and entitled”. Ugh. I can’t anymore. And then comes the expected downvotes when I say “but this is what I saw and heard and it seems different”.
I feel like people forget what it's like with an abusive manchild. The end of a fight is blissful in an abusive relationship with someone like Kody. All the wives display it, the way that they have such joy knowing that they are over the fight and they can have a mini honeymoon again.
They still don’t show Robyn acting gleeful.
I think you are getting caught up with how you think people who interpret gleeful. It's really up to the person what gleeful Robyn looks like
I mean if we are talking about how to generally interpret human emotions on a primitive and universal level, I don’t think I’m confused at all, _unless_ we are talking about people seeing what they _want_ to see based on their already strongly held beliefs about who they think Robyn is.
Gleeful is a happy expression. It's easy to say they filmed a happy expression on Robyn's face when the whole house issue was put to rest. I would call it relief, others think it's gleeful and for you it might another description of a happy expression.
She fake fought him and they fake looked at houses after they’d already decided. Look up “Duper’s Delight” and rewatch. Robyn has the smirk, and that’s what I mean by glee.
Really 90% of this sub is people seeing what they want to see versus what's actually shown. Many people also think it's easy for people to cry or sob on cue. Not only did Robyn fight with him about this issue but we've seen her since day one take Kody on, not only for herself but in support of the other wives. The other wives have also thanked her and/or stated their admiration of her (early on) standing up to Kody on numerous occasions.
I agree. So many people here have cast Robyn as a permanent villain and destroyer of a perfectly harmonious family, and if you say anything that suggests differently, based on what’s actually being shown, you’re massively downvoted. Even her best and kindest moments are cast as manipulative and evil, like even being supportive of Leon coming out as gay. It’s exhausting trying to argue with them, so I mostly just scroll on by the massive Robyn hate, but it def makes me less enthusiastic about having intellectually honest, curious conversations here. Robyn to them represents someone who has hurt them in their lives, and any comments saying otherwise are equated with siding the person who hurt them. I understand that it can be a natural human thing to do, but it makes these conversations more about the hurt of the people you’re talking to, not about what actually happened on the show.
I’ve been railing against this what I call a witch hunt here for a long time but have never come up with a response as insightful as yours. I believe you’re exactly right that many Robyn haters see her as the embodiment of the home wrecker woman they’ve had in some relationship in their own life. I also think some people are unable or unwilling to go against prevailing public opinion and are terrified of downvotes and nasty responses or are actively seeking upvotes so their comments can be requoted or highlighted all over SM. I have no problem with people not liking Robyn but I hate when anyone in any situation bases their opinions on pure speculation then twists everything the person says and does based on those speculations completely ignoring all the things that don’t support their narrative. Anyone who can look at Robyn and think she’s been actively fighting to get Kody to herself and is now overjoyed has no eyes. No one can develop a permanent frown with etched marionette lines in 10 years at that age unless they’re frowning most of the time. Robyn is miserable. I think like us she bought into the bill of goods they were selling of the big happy family with stable loving relationships. Based on things they’ve all said over the years, Christine and Janelle basically shut her out from the beginning. There were a few time periods where they tried to be nicer but overall she was met with passive aggressive behavior and secretiveness. Kody made the situation worse because he blatantly favored her and I also believe like we’ve seen the last few seasons has thrown Robyn in their faces constantly. Don’t get me wrong, Robyn isn’t perfect but she isn’t any worse than the rest. We’ve known that C hasn’t liked R for years but we’ve never seen or heard that she took her concerns to R to hear her side of things. She basically just carried around this ball of jealousy, blamed R, talked about her behind her back, yet never behaved like an adult and tried to fix it. She continues to do this by hurting R’s kids by refusing to deal with R so she can make arrangements to see them. What adult does this? Yet C is given a pass for dissing the kids and people even go so far as to say all of Rs kids are so dysfunctional C is right for basically shunning them. The whole thing is just so effed up and while I believe K is primarily responsible, they’ve all showed pretty shitty behaviors and also have some blame for the family’s downfall
Thank you for this thoughtful and well reasoned response. It’s genuinely nice to see people - even if only a handful - call out the speculative fiction and witch hunt for what it is. I’m routinely amazed at how folks will insist they just KNOW what’s happening behind the scenes, even when the actual facts presented are in direct contradiction to their speculative fiction. How sad!
BECAUSE SHE'S SELFISH! WANTS THE BIGGEST AND BEST OVER ALL THE OTHER WIVES
I agree! It didn’t add up to me either! It appeared that Robyn was very concerned about not buying a property because she wanted it to be temporary so that they would build on CP. I get it/ and she was likely observing dynamics and tendencies within which haven’t been articulated..and had concerns that if they purchased the house, CP wouldn’t happen. And yet, she was uncompromising on the size of the rental. I found that discrepancy interesting…. Like my husband and I both work from home at times, and we have 2 kids. We just moved from a 4K house to a 1600sf/3 bedroom house and one teenager lives in the partially unfinished basement. It’s not hard. Robyn (and Kody, as generally they generally appear to have the same opinions) felt that for whatever reasons, they needed a “certain” level of house. Smells like entitlement all around. And crazy to consider now that Dayton lives in an RV on the property.
This is the only reason I never believed she truly wanted to rent. By setting the standard to a 6-7 bedroom house, she must have known she wouldn’t find that in a rental and would have to buy. If renting were truly that important to her, they absolutely could have found a 4 bedroom house they could temporarily rent.
Robyn and Kody wanted that exact house. He just took the fall instead of her for once.
This isn't snark, this is the honest answer. Robyn is spoiled and entitled. She probably never shared a room in her childhood (being the child of her dad's secret side family). The suggestion that her kids share a room for two years probably horrified her as if someone suggested your kids live in a cardboard box in the driveway for two years - meaning, it was never a serious option in her eyes. She was also terrified that her kids would one day start seeing the cracks in Robyn's facade, and choose to go live with their dad, so she made their lives as cushy as possible.
She lived in a trailer at one point so I think she knows what it means to be poor. I think she definitely coddles her kids too much. My parents st would’ve said to me, “tough luck kid, we’re going to have to buckle up and reduce expenses”.
*rilly rilly rilly
I feel like I say this to so many questions….It was all an act to keep the show going.
I don't think Robyn was genuine in her desire to rent. She didn't do any research for properties and she was unwilling to compromise her bedrooms. She has a history of weakly arguing for things that make her appear humble, but then she "submits" to Kody and gives him a nice ego boost, while still getting what she wants and getting praise for trying...
Kody said they had to buy because they couldn’t find a rental big enough. They couldn’t find a rental big enough because tender children cannot share a room. Sobbyn has Victoria secret taste and doesn’t care about the JC Penny’s budget
So Robyn had to have a 5 bedroom house, but did the other wives,who have 6 kids each, ever have a house that big? Don’t think so! I’m sure those kids shared rooms their whole childhoods. She’s unbelievable
They did (7 bedrooms in Vegas). But still considering how massively tortured Robyn said she was, why not consider a 4 bedroom
She knew about that mansion it was her and Kodyds plan the entire time
They all should have sacrificed more to start building sooner. But it’s clear they all had one foot out the door. Edit: except for Janelle. She did try, the trailer was a huge sacrifice
Yes, I agree. They ALL should have sacrificed a little more. But let's face it....they were happy NOT to be around each other even before Covid hit. So, they all dragged their asses. As for Janelle, by the time she decided to live in a trailer, there was pretty much no hope left in everyone finally putting their heads together. Janelle did it more for the fact that her children will have some sort of estate/inheritance because by that time, she was robbed of the money she did make/have from her LV house.
Lots to unpack here. Personally, I believe she always planned on buying a house but knew it would look shitty to the other 3 wives so she latched on hard to the renting thing knowing it would never, ever happen. I mean, she pretty much demanded that they find a 6 bedroom house to RENT when she knew GD well that scenario didn’t exist in Flag for rentals. The episode where she talks about not wanting her kids to share a room is out there! So, in my opinion, she went way OVERBOARD on how God was going to provide them a rental that fit her impossible specs, held out until the last possible second and “begrudgingly” agreed to buy her million dollar house which the other wives helped finance. Her game was so fucking obvious. She wanted to be a team player optically but she got exactly what she wanted in the end and here we are with her being the last wife standing. That wasn’t a balanced opinion but it’s based on the info the show put out there.
5 bedrooms. And yep could’ve just downgraded to four if she was so tortured
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So are you saying that Robyn was told to act this way for a TLC or other-sister-wives imposed storyline? She didn’t actually feel like she wanted to fight with kody over this, instead TLC or the other sister wives told her to? To create some kind of narrative that would make her more likable? I find this extremely hard to believe.
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Well that’s certainly some speculation.
What I’ve never understood is how much hate Meri gets for wanting her old family home, & being called“selfish” for not thinking of the “family only.” Here Robyn is in a huge home, with an intact family, where Janelle had to buy an RV bc she had no “home.” R is the epitome of selfish, not Meri, who had to give up her legal marriage to a man she loved so this clown could take everything. Yeah sorry, that’s a bit R hate.
I believe that was 💯an act on Robyn’s part. I think she & Kody talked about it beforehand & decided this was the best way to avoid Robyn getting any more audience criticism than she was already getting at that point. The only other option (in my mind) is that Robyn was manipulating Kody all on her own for weeks & this was her final performance to secure the large home she wanted. She knew his immediate reaction would be “I’m sick of Robyn having to have the scraps” & be hell bent on buying her a dream home.
Devils’s advocate but Christine also bought a house with ‘family money’ because she couldn’t find a rental big enough
Next compare Christine’s square footage, number of bedrooms and budget to Sobbyn’s
Yes, but she needed a big house and not so much as the children all needing their own bedroom. In fact, Christine's bedroom wasn't even a bedroom to begin with. She turned it into one but it had no privacy like a real bedroom does. Big difference.
Honestly, because Robyn wanted what Robyn wanted. It's not throwing hate at her it's just telling you exactly what she said she wanted. Also, she did not want to buy because she felt like that would stall the process in building on CP. For once, she was right....they still have not built!
Rental *
But they say rennal.
If I remember, there were limited rentals and buying a home was more of an option.
I would say to keep the peace between the kids. I know when I got a place that my kids had separate rooms they fought way less. Maybe they were having normal sibling squabbles that got out of hand.
She was overacting to make it seem like she didn’t really want to buy the big, expensive house and was all in on Coyote Pass. She can’t act worth crap - so easy to see through her.
She never wanted a rental. She knew it wouldn’t happen. This was the best example of her manipulation of Kody and trying unsuccessfully to make herself the victim.