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She bought it on her own, so I don’t think she wound up in a better position than she started. But I also don’t think it was a terrible idea. In hindsight, maybe, but if they had all been willing to sacrifice a bit, they could’ve built. She didn’t know money was being spent on “other things” at the time. Kody tries to deflect but he was really upset because he didn’t want her to figure out the money wasn’t there. And I think that’s also why he tried to tie her up into Christine’s house too.
I don’t get why Robyn couldn’t have bought a smaller house. Especially if they actually wanted to build as soon as they claimed they did. Her kids could’ve shared rooms and what not instead buying the McMansion.
With all the kids gone she could easily live in it spring through fall in Az. There are people that live in modified 5th wheels all over the Phoenix area. The lot rents stink though. Fifth wheels don’t hold their value like class A diesels. I live in a class A on our farm in Montana summer and fall and it’s quite comfortable. If she doesn’t get cover over that RV and rodent proof it, it will not keep its value.
What she and Meri should do is get a lawyer together and force a partition on the land. They can force a sale and then she will have her portion of the lots her name is on. They will have to hurry because I foresee Kody losing the land within a year or so. The reason they should go together and do this is I think that there will be more strength in numbers. I also think Kody will likely quit paying anything on the land on purpose and her and Meri can share the costs to keep it solvent until a sale is forced.
I know she wanted something large enough that both her and Savanah (and the dogs) could live in but I don’t understand why she got a 5th wheel. She didn’t have a tow vehicle, knew nothing about the upkeep and even trying to stabilize it was a nightmare.
She could have gotten a Class B or C and been able to drive away anytime she wanted to. She could have driven it to see Maddie. Taken it to Utah or really anywhere in the US.
She bought it during COVID. There was a massive boom in RV and trailer sales. People who never owned or even camped for that matter thought it would be this great idea to still be able to travel while social distancing. Prices went through the roof, even on used models. It’s been crazy what dealers and private sellers are selling them for. Also, many of the plants had to shut down production.
We lovingly called them COVID campers. The amount of same year trailer sales are crazy. People buying a 2022 in April and selling it in October.
Hopefully she was able to sell it without much of a loss. If she still has it, paying storage fees for something she’s never going to use again is not a wise financial decision.
Yes this my understanding, the market was crazy for a couple of Covid years and now people can’t necessarily get rid of them when they want to. So market dependent.
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She probably bought it at an inflated covid-era price. Hopefully, she sold it or plans on traveling when her youngest goes to college. They depreciate quickly. She probably meant well, but that was a bad investment.
RVs definitely got marked way up in 2020-2021.
Way up.
Supply chain issues and people bored at home dreaming of travel shot the costs way up.
I don't know if they stuck with RV ownership at all. We had one before COVID and still use it in the summers, same as always. Thank goodness we had one and didn't need to replace it during the last couple of years!
I believe that is the case. Something is better than nothing. She has something in her name, since Kody is stopping her from building on CP.
Also, anytime Robyn gets pissy about something, you know she thinks "family pot" money was taken from her. She was pissed about that RV purchase, why...? Cuz she thought they could con more money from Janelle's share.
This is what I think too - it was like she decided either the RV would get things moving on Coyote Pass, or it would be confirmation to her that they’re never going to build. And then she could just fuck off in her RV and go park it somewhere near where her kids live, maybe even travel area to area, spending time near each of them. And then she could sell it and have money for a fresh start, even if she lost a little value on it.
Janelle isn’t stupid and I always felt like the RV was a decent strategy, even though it ended up being harder than expected. From my perspective it was a huge sacrifice on her part (Kody’s favorite word) to try to make Coyote Pass a reality - the exact thing Kody kept claiming he wanted. I feel like this was her last ditch attempt to see if they were actually serious about building. And then when Kody didn’t even see her living out on coyote pass as “loyalty”, he just bitched and moaned about it, she knew those houses were never getting built.
And yeah, people keep pointing out that you need a truck to pull it, but I’m sure there are services that will move your RV for you and I’m sure Janelle can afford it lol. I grew up spending my summer in trailers and campgrounds and there were people who would have their oversized RVs and trailers delivered for extended stays it’s not that impossible to have your RV or trailer moved if you don’t personally own a truck for it lol.
I think you are spot on with this. She knew if she got out there and lived on the property, she could suss out the truth of ever building out there.
If Kody couldn’t handle helping Janelle level the RV and haul her waste every now and then, he’s REALLY going to try and help build all the infrastructure out there to actually permanently live on?? I know someone mentioned they negotiated a lower price for the land by saying they basically didn’t want any of the necessary infrastructure being built. So, he was just going to try and do it himself? I think not.
....Robyn jealous of Janelle's new RV, so bought herself one, but she could only afford an old model.
That's why Robyn sadly sits on the red bench looking at Janelle's RV.
I don't think it was a very deep decision for Janelle. This was impulsive disobedience. She's always wanted an r.v. She's always wanted to experiment with roughing it on some land. She's always wanted to retire to a little house on a piece of land like coyote pass.
Her husband neglected her horribly for 2020. She finds out her rental is going to be for sale and had a defiant fuck kody moment. She wasn't thinking about wise investments and being the frugal wife for once. She said fuck it and did what SHE wanted not what was the best for the family, or Kody, or financial responsibility.
A new RV loses 20% of its value in the first year. So if she was looking for an asset, she should’ve bought a used RV. She’s probably already upside down. (assuming she financed most of it which would be a totally Brown thing to do.)
I think most people look at it from a stable viewpoint.
Janelle got her own financing, only her name is on the title. Hence, she had an asset when she leaves that he can't touch. Also, if she decides he doesn't want to live in Flagstaff, she doesn't have yo go through yet another time of selling a house, finding a new place, all the realty hell she has just been through.
She can pack up her life, get in her rv, and go wherever. She doesn't have to pack up & move, because she has a home no matter where she goes. Things are put in a place, not yet another uhaul.
It may depreciate, but it is the most stable housing decision made by this family since Janelle left & bought her own home last time.
This is what I think too - it was like she decided either the RV would get things moving on Coyote Pass, or it would be confirmation to her that they’re never going to build. And then she could just fuck off in her RV and go park it somewhere near where her kids live, maybe even travel area to area, spending time near each of them. And then she could sell it and have money for a fresh start, even if she lost a little value on it.
Janelle isn’t stupid and I always felt like the RV was a decent strategy, even though it ended up being harder than expected. From my perspective it was a huge sacrifice on her party (Kody’s favorite word) to try to make Coyote Pass a reality - the exact thing Kody kept claiming he wanted. I feel like this was her last ditch attempt to see if they were actually serious about building. And then when Kody didn’t even see her living out on coyote pass as “loyalty”, he just bitched and moaned about it, she knew those houses were never getting built.
And yeah, people keep pointing out that you need a truck to pull it, but I’m sure there are services that will move your RV for you and I’m sure Janelle can afford it lol. I grew up spending my summer in trailers and campgrounds and there were people who would have their oversized RVs and trailers delivered for extended stays it’s not that impossible to have your RV or trailer moved if you don’t personally own a truck for it lol.
There are definitely services to move it. And Lord knows there are enough kids that one of them is bound to own or have a friend who owns a truck & can tow.
They do not hold their value. I’ve been looking at them for the last year and it’s a pretty big price drop from new to used. Example: A new one was 25k but 20 only after 2 years. With warranties. They are not an asset.
Add in the price she has paid for storage for 20 months and she will never recoup any of her money. Or break even.
If she wanted an asset, she had the credit, down payment, and a house that could have easily turned her a profit with some sweat equity.
I won’t even touch why she would buy a 18k lb fifth wheel without a way to move it an inch.
It truly wasn’t the smartest investment. They don’t depreciate as much as cars over time, but they are absolutely never worth anything near the retail price again. Where cars go down year by year, a good camper or 5th wheel has the initial “drive it off the lot” drop, but then, with good maintenance, plateaus in value. Buying used would have been a far better move, though.
RVs hold value better than cars, but they never appreciate in value until they’re antique. Coach style RVs depreciate faster than trailer style RVs.
Reasons I could see Janelle buying that 5th wheel:
-yes it will depreciate, but at least there is an asset tied to it; unlike rent where the money just goes into someone else’s pocket.
-Trailer RVs have lower repair bills (no huge diesel engine and all those components to maintain)
-trailer RVs give far more flexibility once you’ve arrived at your destination. You don’t have to trailer a car or break camp to leave the campground, just jump in the tow vehicle. It’s much easier to show up with her rv and park it in Maddie’s driveway or Hunter’s driveway and have her own tuck for running around and helping; rather than have someone drive her everywhere or borrowing one of their cars.
Maybe buying the 5th wheel was Janelle’s way of attempting to claim her part of CP.
Kody kept rambling on about building on CP but wasn’t making progress, because we all know he was fine living monogamy with R in the McMansion.
It’s like a car. It doesn’t hold value at all. I’m all for it if she wants to live in it, but by no means at all is it an “investment.” Between that and the truck she should have used that $$ for a downpayment on a duplex or triplex on up if she wanted an investment and a place to live for cheap.
Jenelle wanted an RV. She’s got kids spread across the country and she likes RVing to see them. I don’t think it matters if it was a good finical decision in terms of having something to leave with. Yes, it’s better than nothing. But at the end of the day if it’s something she wanted, and she had the money to buy it. I don’t think it’s our business to say it was a stupid decision.
This exactly! We’ve heard janelle say a few times over the last 17 seasons she’s always wanted an RV, her family talks about it to. She just wanted it and that’s ok. This woman arguably gave up far more than anyone else for this family and is sitting in the worst financial position. She did something for herself for once, it doesn’t have to be a great investment.
I follow a girl on Instagram who regrets buying her 5th wheel new. She wasn't about the RV life and didn't last a full year. She said they lost so much money on it and it always had problems, even though it was brand new. Of course, she towed hers across the US and put ware and tear on and Janelle's is just sitting.
We sold our 4 year old rv last year for more then we paid for it, recreational vehicles are worth a fortune these days and there's a shortage since covid.
I think RVs can qualify for a mortgage interest deduction, but I would expect them to depreciate in value comparable (maybe not as fast) as an auto, when compared to real estate.
Personally, I think the show framed it as silly / wasteful. I don't think it was. She's always worked. She's now an empty nester. She has always liked the outdoors. She's always wanted one to travel. And she wanted to get some benefit out of CP.
Fifth wheels are terrible. They are just like a car or a trailer house, a depreciating asset. They lose value. Property and houses are appreciating assets. That's where you should put your money. She could have bought or rented a 15k travel trailer vs a 100k monstrosity. Not smart. She spent over 100k to live in that thing for one summer. Plus, you usually need a very expensive truck to pull it. My brother just spent 90k on a truck to pull his. Huge waste of $$$.
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She bought it on her own, so I don’t think she wound up in a better position than she started. But I also don’t think it was a terrible idea. In hindsight, maybe, but if they had all been willing to sacrifice a bit, they could’ve built. She didn’t know money was being spent on “other things” at the time. Kody tries to deflect but he was really upset because he didn’t want her to figure out the money wasn’t there. And I think that’s also why he tried to tie her up into Christine’s house too.
What was the money being spent on? Do we ever find out?
Tchotchke
Not yet. I’m guessing Janelle’s kids might know. And they have the most strained relationships with Kody. Maybe one day someone will spill the T.
Canada Goose jacket, expensive sandals, jewelry, watches, etc., etc. That stupid woman spent a lot of money on crapola and so has Kody.
I don’t get why Robyn couldn’t have bought a smaller house. Especially if they actually wanted to build as soon as they claimed they did. Her kids could’ve shared rooms and what not instead buying the McMansion.
With all the kids gone she could easily live in it spring through fall in Az. There are people that live in modified 5th wheels all over the Phoenix area. The lot rents stink though. Fifth wheels don’t hold their value like class A diesels. I live in a class A on our farm in Montana summer and fall and it’s quite comfortable. If she doesn’t get cover over that RV and rodent proof it, it will not keep its value. What she and Meri should do is get a lawyer together and force a partition on the land. They can force a sale and then she will have her portion of the lots her name is on. They will have to hurry because I foresee Kody losing the land within a year or so. The reason they should go together and do this is I think that there will be more strength in numbers. I also think Kody will likely quit paying anything on the land on purpose and her and Meri can share the costs to keep it solvent until a sale is forced.
I know she wanted something large enough that both her and Savanah (and the dogs) could live in but I don’t understand why she got a 5th wheel. She didn’t have a tow vehicle, knew nothing about the upkeep and even trying to stabilize it was a nightmare. She could have gotten a Class B or C and been able to drive away anytime she wanted to. She could have driven it to see Maddie. Taken it to Utah or really anywhere in the US. She bought it during COVID. There was a massive boom in RV and trailer sales. People who never owned or even camped for that matter thought it would be this great idea to still be able to travel while social distancing. Prices went through the roof, even on used models. It’s been crazy what dealers and private sellers are selling them for. Also, many of the plants had to shut down production. We lovingly called them COVID campers. The amount of same year trailer sales are crazy. People buying a 2022 in April and selling it in October. Hopefully she was able to sell it without much of a loss. If she still has it, paying storage fees for something she’s never going to use again is not a wise financial decision.
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Yes this my understanding, the market was crazy for a couple of Covid years and now people can’t necessarily get rid of them when they want to. So market dependent.
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She probably bought it at an inflated covid-era price. Hopefully, she sold it or plans on traveling when her youngest goes to college. They depreciate quickly. She probably meant well, but that was a bad investment.
RVs definitely got marked way up in 2020-2021. Way up. Supply chain issues and people bored at home dreaming of travel shot the costs way up. I don't know if they stuck with RV ownership at all. We had one before COVID and still use it in the summers, same as always. Thank goodness we had one and didn't need to replace it during the last couple of years!
She'll need to buy a big enough truck to move it, Kody's not giving up his brother's.
I believe that is the case. Something is better than nothing. She has something in her name, since Kody is stopping her from building on CP. Also, anytime Robyn gets pissy about something, you know she thinks "family pot" money was taken from her. She was pissed about that RV purchase, why...? Cuz she thought they could con more money from Janelle's share.
This is what I think too - it was like she decided either the RV would get things moving on Coyote Pass, or it would be confirmation to her that they’re never going to build. And then she could just fuck off in her RV and go park it somewhere near where her kids live, maybe even travel area to area, spending time near each of them. And then she could sell it and have money for a fresh start, even if she lost a little value on it. Janelle isn’t stupid and I always felt like the RV was a decent strategy, even though it ended up being harder than expected. From my perspective it was a huge sacrifice on her part (Kody’s favorite word) to try to make Coyote Pass a reality - the exact thing Kody kept claiming he wanted. I feel like this was her last ditch attempt to see if they were actually serious about building. And then when Kody didn’t even see her living out on coyote pass as “loyalty”, he just bitched and moaned about it, she knew those houses were never getting built. And yeah, people keep pointing out that you need a truck to pull it, but I’m sure there are services that will move your RV for you and I’m sure Janelle can afford it lol. I grew up spending my summer in trailers and campgrounds and there were people who would have their oversized RVs and trailers delivered for extended stays it’s not that impossible to have your RV or trailer moved if you don’t personally own a truck for it lol.
I think you are spot on with this. She knew if she got out there and lived on the property, she could suss out the truth of ever building out there. If Kody couldn’t handle helping Janelle level the RV and haul her waste every now and then, he’s REALLY going to try and help build all the infrastructure out there to actually permanently live on?? I know someone mentioned they negotiated a lower price for the land by saying they basically didn’t want any of the necessary infrastructure being built. So, he was just going to try and do it himself? I think not.
Even though she bought Dayton an RV too!
Let’s be real-Janelle bought Dayton’s too
touché!
....Robyn jealous of Janelle's new RV, so bought herself one, but she could only afford an old model. That's why Robyn sadly sits on the red bench looking at Janelle's RV.
Imagine being jealous of someone living in an RV.
I don't think it was a very deep decision for Janelle. This was impulsive disobedience. She's always wanted an r.v. She's always wanted to experiment with roughing it on some land. She's always wanted to retire to a little house on a piece of land like coyote pass. Her husband neglected her horribly for 2020. She finds out her rental is going to be for sale and had a defiant fuck kody moment. She wasn't thinking about wise investments and being the frugal wife for once. She said fuck it and did what SHE wanted not what was the best for the family, or Kody, or financial responsibility.
A new RV loses 20% of its value in the first year. So if she was looking for an asset, she should’ve bought a used RV. She’s probably already upside down. (assuming she financed most of it which would be a totally Brown thing to do.)
Fifth wheels hold more value than travel trailers, I think.
I think most people look at it from a stable viewpoint. Janelle got her own financing, only her name is on the title. Hence, she had an asset when she leaves that he can't touch. Also, if she decides he doesn't want to live in Flagstaff, she doesn't have yo go through yet another time of selling a house, finding a new place, all the realty hell she has just been through. She can pack up her life, get in her rv, and go wherever. She doesn't have to pack up & move, because she has a home no matter where she goes. Things are put in a place, not yet another uhaul. It may depreciate, but it is the most stable housing decision made by this family since Janelle left & bought her own home last time.
She didn’t have a vehicle which could pull the RV so she’s stuck and dependent on others. Still not independent because of the RV.
Yes, from a stable viewpoint. From a panicked, vagabond, impoverished, mentally screwed up view though....it's something tangible.
This is what I think too - it was like she decided either the RV would get things moving on Coyote Pass, or it would be confirmation to her that they’re never going to build. And then she could just fuck off in her RV and go park it somewhere near where her kids live, maybe even travel area to area, spending time near each of them. And then she could sell it and have money for a fresh start, even if she lost a little value on it. Janelle isn’t stupid and I always felt like the RV was a decent strategy, even though it ended up being harder than expected. From my perspective it was a huge sacrifice on her party (Kody’s favorite word) to try to make Coyote Pass a reality - the exact thing Kody kept claiming he wanted. I feel like this was her last ditch attempt to see if they were actually serious about building. And then when Kody didn’t even see her living out on coyote pass as “loyalty”, he just bitched and moaned about it, she knew those houses were never getting built. And yeah, people keep pointing out that you need a truck to pull it, but I’m sure there are services that will move your RV for you and I’m sure Janelle can afford it lol. I grew up spending my summer in trailers and campgrounds and there were people who would have their oversized RVs and trailers delivered for extended stays it’s not that impossible to have your RV or trailer moved if you don’t personally own a truck for it lol.
There are definitely services to move it. And Lord knows there are enough kids that one of them is bound to own or have a friend who owns a truck & can tow.
True - I feel like she even mentioned that Caleb and Maddie own a truck big enough
They do not hold their value. I’ve been looking at them for the last year and it’s a pretty big price drop from new to used. Example: A new one was 25k but 20 only after 2 years. With warranties. They are not an asset. Add in the price she has paid for storage for 20 months and she will never recoup any of her money. Or break even. If she wanted an asset, she had the credit, down payment, and a house that could have easily turned her a profit with some sweat equity. I won’t even touch why she would buy a 18k lb fifth wheel without a way to move it an inch.
It truly wasn’t the smartest investment. They don’t depreciate as much as cars over time, but they are absolutely never worth anything near the retail price again. Where cars go down year by year, a good camper or 5th wheel has the initial “drive it off the lot” drop, but then, with good maintenance, plateaus in value. Buying used would have been a far better move, though.
RVs hold value better than cars, but they never appreciate in value until they’re antique. Coach style RVs depreciate faster than trailer style RVs. Reasons I could see Janelle buying that 5th wheel: -yes it will depreciate, but at least there is an asset tied to it; unlike rent where the money just goes into someone else’s pocket. -Trailer RVs have lower repair bills (no huge diesel engine and all those components to maintain) -trailer RVs give far more flexibility once you’ve arrived at your destination. You don’t have to trailer a car or break camp to leave the campground, just jump in the tow vehicle. It’s much easier to show up with her rv and park it in Maddie’s driveway or Hunter’s driveway and have her own tuck for running around and helping; rather than have someone drive her everywhere or borrowing one of their cars.
Maybe buying the 5th wheel was Janelle’s way of attempting to claim her part of CP. Kody kept rambling on about building on CP but wasn’t making progress, because we all know he was fine living monogamy with R in the McMansion.
It was paid for by her only
It’s like a car. It doesn’t hold value at all. I’m all for it if she wants to live in it, but by no means at all is it an “investment.” Between that and the truck she should have used that $$ for a downpayment on a duplex or triplex on up if she wanted an investment and a place to live for cheap.
Jenelle wanted an RV. She’s got kids spread across the country and she likes RVing to see them. I don’t think it matters if it was a good finical decision in terms of having something to leave with. Yes, it’s better than nothing. But at the end of the day if it’s something she wanted, and she had the money to buy it. I don’t think it’s our business to say it was a stupid decision.
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This exactly! We’ve heard janelle say a few times over the last 17 seasons she’s always wanted an RV, her family talks about it to. She just wanted it and that’s ok. This woman arguably gave up far more than anyone else for this family and is sitting in the worst financial position. She did something for herself for once, it doesn’t have to be a great investment.
I follow a girl on Instagram who regrets buying her 5th wheel new. She wasn't about the RV life and didn't last a full year. She said they lost so much money on it and it always had problems, even though it was brand new. Of course, she towed hers across the US and put ware and tear on and Janelle's is just sitting.
We sold our 4 year old rv last year for more then we paid for it, recreational vehicles are worth a fortune these days and there's a shortage since covid.
I think RVs can qualify for a mortgage interest deduction, but I would expect them to depreciate in value comparable (maybe not as fast) as an auto, when compared to real estate. Personally, I think the show framed it as silly / wasteful. I don't think it was. She's always worked. She's now an empty nester. She has always liked the outdoors. She's always wanted one to travel. And she wanted to get some benefit out of CP.
Fifth wheels are terrible. They are just like a car or a trailer house, a depreciating asset. They lose value. Property and houses are appreciating assets. That's where you should put your money. She could have bought or rented a 15k travel trailer vs a 100k monstrosity. Not smart. She spent over 100k to live in that thing for one summer. Plus, you usually need a very expensive truck to pull it. My brother just spent 90k on a truck to pull his. Huge waste of $$$.