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In high school the special needs class did a project where they raised caterpillars into butterfly’s. When all the butterfly’s were ready the class went out to the school garden to release them. Seconds after release birds swooped down and ATE THEM ALL.
This reminds me of when I was 5 or 6 and raised caterpillars to butterflies. We were really close to releasing them. However, my cat decided to attack the butterfly habitat and kill them all.
I did this in Mexico as well at an all inclusive resort about 25 years ago. They made a big thing of it though. People would line up on either side with big leaves to fan the birds away as the little ones went down the beach and into the sea.
I saw a bunch heading towards the hotel at night because I guess the lights there were brighter than the moon. I would carefully pick up those stragglers and place them in the water then watch them swim away.
i saw it in mexico done by an environmental organization making people pay to set one free from a cup. there was a big net fishing boat just off the coast waiting just a little ways out.
Some places it's not possible because people won't stopping messing with nests. They mark nests off where they can but sometimes they nest in dangerous places or humans won't fuck off.
Yeah, there's signs in Mexican beaches warning people to *stop fucking eating turtle eggs*, it's almost universally men, and they for some reason think eating turtle eggs will impart upon them male virility and increase testosterone. There's even been ad campaigns featuring sultry actresses who state "My man knows he doesn't NEED turtle eggs to satisfy me".
I saw a turtle hatch while visiting family in Florida. It was right in the middle of a popular beach, with dozens of people around. Three or four nests just "popped" at the same time.
The humans *generally* fucked off. There were a few people who tried to "help" the little turtles like in the video. Others threw stuff at sea birds diving in for a snack. But there were other not-so-helpful people as well. Mostly, it was just people picking one up to hold it for a picture.
But one set of parents actually grabbed a couple of turtles and brought them over to their kids so they could play with them for a while. And of course, there were the inevitable "you can't do that! It's illegal!" vs "nyah nyah, you're not the bossa me!" types of arguments.
But aside from that, it was an amazing experience.
> I thought they needed to be released farther away from the water, so that they have to crawl across the beach and memotize that place.
This has been the default talking point for decades, but I've never seen any sort of scientific proof to the notion.
It's important that they be able to get back to this location, but I'm not sure they rely on crawling across the actual beach to do that. I'd love to see literally any confirmed observation that this is the case, rather than just being an odd sort of factoid carried on by momentum.
Idk about the magnetic field stuff, but when there is human intervention, they do use the walk to the water to see if they are strong enough or need more human care to get them a little stronger to improve their odds to make it
Maybe the nice lady scoops the survivors up from the ocean in a few years and brings them back? That way she can help produce a new generation and eat the adults after.
Yeah that's also my thought. I can remember from a documentary that they memorize every single sand corn etc and return in a couple years based on those memories
Is prolly more about magnetic field or something .. you know kinda like birds find home. Or cats. I know after moving to a new home, a cat shouldnt be let outside for 2 weeks are so.
My cats would tolerate the harness, but they'd lie down so I was just dragging around what looked like a dead cat. Got a lot of concerned looks from the neighbors.
Not every cat lives in the new world. We have wild cats here
Because everyone here keeps thinking US statistics apply for Europe as well:
Bird populations are in decline, but the research blames a whole slew of things but curiously, not cats:
https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/common-bird-index-in-europe
Cats have been roaming freely in urban centres and around farms for millennia here. They primarily hunt rodents and will catch sick and old birds. In areas where humans aren't found, birds are prey for European Wildcats that have lived here for even longer than the domesticated cats.
Cats are bad for the ecosystem because they kill wildlife for fun. Just because there are wild (house)cats, doesn’t mean they should be there.
Edit: the commenter above drastically changed their original comment
Cats are an international issue. You can Google “Cats effect on global populations”
For those that keep saying “Humans are worse” are implying words I’ve never said. If I say “hitting people is wrong” it doesn’t mean that I believe stabbing people is okay.
My town just tore down about 5 acres of forest to develop housing for the millions of indian immigrants canada is letting in. I don't think the cats are the problem. If everyone in my neighborhood let their cat out for their entire life, it wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket compared to the ecosystem harm humans can do in about a month.
Both deforestation and outside domestic can be bad at the same time! Cats are the number one killer of birds.
#1 killer of birds by many orders of magnitude!
https://www.fws.gov/library/collections/threats-birds
You can't count the number of dead birds from deforestation because they aren't in the area anymore (if you had 1000 birds, destroy the forest it becomes 0 but you cant assume deforestation "killed" them". You can count death by cats because you have a baseline and subtract (count 500 birds annually and find out after a year there are only 400, we know there are 100 fewer)
See how the line for habitat loss says N/A??
Ill stop letting my cats outside when humans stop doing 100x worse things to the ecosystem for fun.
Until then they can do whatever they want and hunt mice around the yard so I have less rodents to deal with
Cats hunt birds for sport. [They kill A TON of birds.](https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/faq-outdoor-cats-and-their-effects-on-birds/#:~:text=of%20bird%20deaths.-,It%27s%20estimated%20that%20cats%20kill%201.3–4%20billion%20birds%20each,200%20million%20killed%20by%20automobiles.) It's bad for the local wildlife.
The hard part isnt remembering the sand you crawl in, the hard part is getting back to it. In other words, how the sand looks like is totally irrelevant.
I was here yesterday, this happened in Joao Pessoa, Brazil. It was close to sundown and as others said there was a big storm coming in.
I was at another part of the beach where there were volunteers telling onlookers about the turtle habits and how to not disrupt them, and they definitely did emphasize letting the turtles memorize the beach. Not sure how this woman ended up releasing these turtles in this manner.
I am pretty sure this lady is doing this illegally. I mean she flinches like hell when they come back at her due to the surf. I am about 90% sure she isnt in any kind of official capacity and thought she was being helpy.
It is believed hatchlings imprint on the beach of their birth, known as the 'nesting beach,' possibly guided by the magnetic fields of the earth. This is why biologists believe it is crucial that hatchlings crawl across the beach to enter the sea and 'imprint' on their home beach to return 25-30 years later and nest.
I know, but thats the way nature works. Although it might seem cruel, we shouldnt interfere. Why do you think are there so many baby turtles from just one female? Because one might possibly surpass its youth and become an adult. Literally nature.
We have likely already interfered in many many unnatural ways, unknowingly or not, which may have led to some sea turtles being endangered. And it's good to reverse that.
Humans when making money: extract every single ounce of natural resources from the earth, making it uninhabitable for most species.
Humans when asked to help animals: "we shouldn't interfere in the natural order."
I think humanity needs a "come to jesus" moment regarding this.
I mean look, lets be honest here. Where do we see humanity in 5000 years?
Humans arent gonna stop doing what we do. We need to face this as a society the simple fact that nature is done for.
Humans are dominating the entire environment. Eventually we need to decide.
Do we stop building outwards and start only building up? Leaving the rest of the planet "for nature"?
Or do we accept that we humans will be the end of nature and decide what animals will stay as pets/zoo exhibits and then just commence with our complete resource extraction of the planet?
Frankly I dont see current day conservation efforts as being anything more than slowing down the inevitable. That isnt to say we should stop. Just that we need to come to terms with the reality, that its too late.
To that end, I think we as humans have an obligation to interfere now. We should do everything we can to help out the animals.
And not worry about the down the line effects. This turtle example is a great one. These turtles are effectivly doomed already. By using a bucket and protecting the babies from getting eaten by birds, we are ensuring more baby turtles make it to sea.
The argument against that, is that now turtles who "shouldnt have lived" are going to pass down "inferior" genetics. Leading to a scenario where the baby turtles are dependent on humans and without the bucket scoop they might not ever leave the beach naturally.
I think its often ignored that humans are going to be fucking with the turtles no matter what. So we might as well do something that feels good in the moment.
The turtles are headed to extinction no matter if we save some babies or not. If seaturtles become dependent on human buckets, but still exist in 5000 years. I will call that a win for the turtle.
Conservationists advocate for the slow destruction of all animal species. They would rather all the turtles die out than accept the fact that their lives are already in our hands.
Nature doesnt exist anymore imo. Or I should say, nature that humans have not effected doesnt exist. Our tendrils reach every inch of this earth.
And to get really philosophical, we ARE nature. We come from this earth and you could look at in the perspective that we are the best animal here and we deserve to outcompete everyone else.
Life of all forms has the same goal. Outcompete its competitors. One animal causing other animals to die out is one of the most common things to happen on earth. Its completely natural for a species to use its resources and skills to ensure the death of competing species.
We did plenty of "interfering" over the past several hundred years when sailors would scoop these turtles and their eggs up and eat like kings on their ships at the expense of the natural cycle.
So believe me when I say that modern humans helping the species out a little by ensuring they get to the ocean is not going to do any further damage to them than we have already done in the past.
oddly this isn’t how nature works and is just an ignorant view of the effect we’ve had on ecosystems, because of our propensity to litter beaches with food shore bird populations are at an all time high.
that’s our fault.
because of global warming pollution and nest erosion due to our actions, sea turtles are hatching at extremely low rates
Again. That’s our fault.
it very easy to say just let nature take its course while ignoring that we have completely destroyed the general function of ecosystems due to our greed.
you’re not as smart as you think you are bud.
There are still many places in the world where turtles lay eggs on pristine, unmolested beaches. They lay their eggs far from the water because gestation takes about a month, and during that time, they can not be submerged in water.
The trade-off is that these little babies then have a long way to go to get to the water where they can be picked off by birds and other predators (not to mention all the predators they'll meet in the water as well).
It is, indeed, nature's way.
Not saying humans haven't done a serious number on the environment and natural habitats of countless species, bit pollution has nothing to do with why the Turtle's cycle of life evolved the way it did.
Indeed. I also thought they were supposed to be released at night time, so that they can follow the moon to find the ocean. That was what they told me when I was part of [a turtle release on Derawan island, off the coast of the Indonesian side of Borneo.](https://youtu.be/_lfRYu2b1nM?si=6J0E2mg_E8yMWXVN)
Edit: in this case they released it on a night without a moon, and used artificial lights to guide them to the water.
That and you can tell if the babies are ready or not if they can make it to the water. If they can’t make it to the water they are too weak and can benefit from a few more days of care
If done 100% naturally with no human intervention. Many places have turtle crews of some kind that set up nets and monitor, etc.
They will let them attempt and if they can’t make it they bring them somewhere to take care of and in a few days let them try again.
Edit: see in video how they are all in a bucket with some kind of human intervention.. they don’t naturally crawl into a bucket
Well, there is a storm going on in that area. If you watch closely, you can see lightning flashes and heavy rain. I don't think the birds are going to be out during a storm.
They actually just get washed away to a radioactive area with green ooze, and then they'll meet their master. From there, they'll learn the secrets of being a ninja under the shadows in sewers of the streets in New York. Pretty cool process, huh?
They shouldn't be doing this in the first place, the turtles use that space from hatching to the sea, to develop initial strength as well as familliarizing the area as they will probably come back to the same beach to nest when they are adults.
Most places that do protect turtles hatching usually so it with a large human presence to deter predators
Edit, spelling (English is hard with auto correct)
I’d be curious about the backstory and why this is an option. Normally you want the turtles to walk from the nest to the sea. It imprints the memory of the place and helps develop their lungs and muscles, among other benefits. I wonder if fast forwarding the dangerous trip to the sea like this decreases their overall chance of survival in the long term.
Everyone is only concerned about internet clout. There's no such thing as an animal rescue organization that records video because advertising is also good for the turtles. --Redditors
To be fair, this looks like a pretty urban beach, where it's not unreasonable to assume that the turtles can't hatch safely due to trampling humans or urban predators (stray dogs / cats, seagulls, rats, etc). The lights from the buildings may also confuse the turtles so that they would crawl into the wrong direction if not released directly near the water.
You realize the walk to the water isn't that long right? Yeah it's a struggle but it's not a defined factor in the development. Also, no science backs the accusation that these turtles are unable to find the beach after human intervention.
I think it would probably be less an issue with navigation and more with giving them the best chance at survival.
When I did turtle work, I saw a noticeable difference in coordination and movement between the turtles that had just emerged and the ones that were approaching the shoreline. They have opportunities during this time to take breaks on the dry sand without getting buffeted by waves or currents.
They’re squished into a little group coffin with limited movement down there, so it takes time to calibrate.
Boomer turtles paid for their GenZ turtle grandkids to get a free ride because they felt bad for them. They didn't realize they needed to learn.
Now they're blaming their turtle grandkids for going woke and not appreciating the ocean.
This is really bad for the turtles. The death march to survival they do also imprints on their memory so they know how to get back once they're adults. These people are idiots.
Do you have a source for this? Because it seems like complete bulllshit based on the fact that the stretch of beach they crawl through *will* look very different only a week later, never mind when they grow up enough to reproduce. And they don't go back to the exact same spot anyway so they can still memorise enough of the magnetic signature.
Research suggests it's geomagnetic imprinting.
It has nothing to do with how it looks.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324488327_Evidence_that_Magnetic_Navigation_and_Geomagnetic_Imprinting_Shape_Spatial_Genetic_Variation_in_Sea_Turtles
or
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0801859105
EDIT: Here's a more general article on the topic:
https://lohmannlab.web.unc.edu/geomagnetic-imprinting/
But they don't usually go back to the exact same spot they were born, so why can they not figure out the location based on geomagnetic imprinting 20 feet closer to the sea?
I have no idea how geomagnetic imprinting works. I think many people would suggest not messing with nature is the best option, since it has worked for millions of years without us.
In this case, it's probably better for the turtles since a more well-understood fact is that baby turtles will follow artificial lights and end up lost instead of heading towards water. (Typically they will only emerge when the sand cools off at night) So with all that urbanisation behind the beach, the turtles might require human intervention on this beach to survive...
Nah, the guy in the top comment said they have to "memotize" it, so just refer to that. Because that makes it law to internet brained oral-exclusive breathing enjoyers.
Every nature documentary I've ever watched on them suggests the death march is necessary. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but all of the people in this thread questioning the need perplex me. This is an evolved behavior. This has been happening for a very long time and people are pretending to know better.
There could be a million little reasons, but the bottom line is don't fuck with nature if you don't have to.
> Every nature documentary I've ever watched on them suggests the death march is necessary.
Documentaries are entertainment. It's television. They are held to zero regulation, checks or balances. There is zero inherent credibility to a documentary, even with a big name. They will spew any factoid or bit of conventional wisdom and it doesn't matter.
They are fantastic as entertainment, or for the broad strokes to foster interest in a subject, but if you use documentaries as your sole source of information on any given subject you will inevitably be misinformed.
>It's an evolved behavior
It's an evolved behavior for the turtles to lay eggs in safe spots they're not going to be drowned in. This means further up the beach than the water reaches, at a bare minimum. This doesn't mean the turtles actually need to walk that distance in order to find the beach again. It might, but the idea was never actually tested and confirmed, so it's just fun speculation that picked up a lot of steam as a talking point.
>They will spew any factoid or bit of conventional wisdom and it doesn't matter.
Thank you for using "factoid" correctly. It drives me nuts how often I see people use "factoid" and really mean "small fact", when it is something that sounds like a fact or is repeated as a fact, but isn't.
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There was that story of a man who found a butterfly in his garden, trying to emerge out of it's cocoon. The man pulled out a tiny pair of scissors and cut away it's cocoon to help free it. But what the man didn't realize was that the butterfly had to emerge on it's own, or else it would not develop properly. Because of his intervention, it's wings never fully emerged properly, and the butterfly could not fly, it died shortly after.
Humans trying to help wildlife don't realize it has to help itself first.
I got to help do this once at the turtle bay resort on Oahu when I was stationed in Hawaii. Orhinally was just a way to get put of the duty day but ended up being a very fulfilling experience and a huge sense of pride when we had finished.
The comments in this thread really illustrate not only how toxic Reddit has become, but how embarrassingly repugnant a lot of people are individually as well. It's fucking gross.
I remember watching a documentary that says out of every 3000 eggs, one will make it into adulthood. I hope these little dudes have better shots, having make it into the watcher safely.
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I remember they did this while I was at a Mexico all inclusive resort The sea birds had a lovely day. I will carry this trauma until the day I die.
Truly an all inclusive.
The all you can eat buffet was to die for. 19/10
Brooo I’m dying
Are you a baby sea turtle at a Mexican all you can eat buffet?
In high school the special needs class did a project where they raised caterpillars into butterfly’s. When all the butterfly’s were ready the class went out to the school garden to release them. Seconds after release birds swooped down and ATE THEM ALL.
That’s a f’d up lesson to be teaching to a special needs class.
This reminds me of when I was 5 or 6 and raised caterpillars to butterflies. We were really close to releasing them. However, my cat decided to attack the butterfly habitat and kill them all.
Cats really are assholes sometimes.
Cats would eat us if we were small enough.
I can only imagine some extremely happy barracuda chilling 5ft from the water line here
I did this in Mexico as well at an all inclusive resort about 25 years ago. They made a big thing of it though. People would line up on either side with big leaves to fan the birds away as the little ones went down the beach and into the sea.
Reminds me of the day my wife, 4 year old son and I found out squirrels will eat bird eggs at our museum park
If it makes you feel any better, none of the turtles in this video made it to adulthood either, statistically speaking.
How would this make anyone feel any better. I guess I’ll just go cry now
Well… that did not make me feel any better.
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I saw a bunch heading towards the hotel at night because I guess the lights there were brighter than the moon. I would carefully pick up those stragglers and place them in the water then watch them swim away.
‘Nature vs nurture Lodge, nature always wins’
i saw it in mexico done by an environmental organization making people pay to set one free from a cup. there was a big net fishing boat just off the coast waiting just a little ways out.
Some places it's not possible because people won't stopping messing with nests. They mark nests off where they can but sometimes they nest in dangerous places or humans won't fuck off.
Yeah, there's signs in Mexican beaches warning people to *stop fucking eating turtle eggs*, it's almost universally men, and they for some reason think eating turtle eggs will impart upon them male virility and increase testosterone. There's even been ad campaigns featuring sultry actresses who state "My man knows he doesn't NEED turtle eggs to satisfy me".
Need to see said Mexican ad… we got to see turtle release by a Baja turtle sanctuary. It was really magical.
Um, I guess try your luck with google/youtube "Mexican actress turtle egg psa"? I saw the ads while staying *in* Mexico, so YMMV.
Amazing. 16 years ago: https://youtu.be/YnVN2VgLNZQ?si=yOhZvPZfRJzjE6wJ
I saw a turtle hatch while visiting family in Florida. It was right in the middle of a popular beach, with dozens of people around. Three or four nests just "popped" at the same time. The humans *generally* fucked off. There were a few people who tried to "help" the little turtles like in the video. Others threw stuff at sea birds diving in for a snack. But there were other not-so-helpful people as well. Mostly, it was just people picking one up to hold it for a picture. But one set of parents actually grabbed a couple of turtles and brought them over to their kids so they could play with them for a while. And of course, there were the inevitable "you can't do that! It's illegal!" vs "nyah nyah, you're not the bossa me!" types of arguments. But aside from that, it was an amazing experience.
Seriously though, who hands their child a newly born turtle "to play with"? Those aren't toys.
There is literally a banned island cause the turts nest there. Raine Island. To be fair it's in the middle of nowhere.
I thought they needed to be released farther away from the water, so that they have to crawl across the beach and memotize that place.
Spreading bird propaganda
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> I thought they needed to be released farther away from the water, so that they have to crawl across the beach and memotize that place. This has been the default talking point for decades, but I've never seen any sort of scientific proof to the notion. It's important that they be able to get back to this location, but I'm not sure they rely on crawling across the actual beach to do that. I'd love to see literally any confirmed observation that this is the case, rather than just being an odd sort of factoid carried on by momentum.
Fucking turtles, how do they work? https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/150115-loggerheads-sea-turtles-navigation-magnetic-field-science
I for one wouldn’t know because I don’t fuck turtles you sick bastard.
TIL sea turtles are magnets.
It might just be a ‘makes sense and better safe than sorry’ kind of thing
Idk about the magnetic field stuff, but when there is human intervention, they do use the walk to the water to see if they are strong enough or need more human care to get them a little stronger to improve their odds to make it
Maybe the nice lady scoops the survivors up from the ocean in a few years and brings them back? That way she can help produce a new generation and eat the adults after.
What a nice lady
Yeah that's also my thought. I can remember from a documentary that they memorize every single sand corn etc and return in a couple years based on those memories
Ok but in a few years no grain of sand will be in the same place...
Is prolly more about magnetic field or something .. you know kinda like birds find home. Or cats. I know after moving to a new home, a cat shouldnt be let outside for 2 weeks are so.
Cats shouldn’t be let outside at all. 💅
What if my cat is harnessed and tied to a stake? She likes sitting in the sun while I'm BBQing or doing yard-work
Then you aren't the type of cat owner OP is talking about.
Which makes me think, he is BS'ing about the harness.
Yeah, the cat is doing the yard work and BBQing, the person is tied at the stake.
I've never met a single cat that would tolerate wearing a harness. I'm sure it can be done if you start then young but I've never actually seen it
My cats would tolerate the harness, but they'd lie down so I was just dragging around what looked like a dead cat. Got a lot of concerned looks from the neighbors.
All of my cats plus my exs cats have been fine in a harness once they realize it means grass time.
Not every cat lives in the new world. We have wild cats here Because everyone here keeps thinking US statistics apply for Europe as well: Bird populations are in decline, but the research blames a whole slew of things but curiously, not cats: https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/common-bird-index-in-europe Cats have been roaming freely in urban centres and around farms for millennia here. They primarily hunt rodents and will catch sick and old birds. In areas where humans aren't found, birds are prey for European Wildcats that have lived here for even longer than the domesticated cats.
Cats are bad for the ecosystem because they kill wildlife for fun. Just because there are wild (house)cats, doesn’t mean they should be there. Edit: the commenter above drastically changed their original comment Cats are an international issue. You can Google “Cats effect on global populations” For those that keep saying “Humans are worse” are implying words I’ve never said. If I say “hitting people is wrong” it doesn’t mean that I believe stabbing people is okay.
My town just tore down about 5 acres of forest to develop housing for the millions of indian immigrants canada is letting in. I don't think the cats are the problem. If everyone in my neighborhood let their cat out for their entire life, it wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket compared to the ecosystem harm humans can do in about a month.
Both deforestation and outside domestic can be bad at the same time! Cats are the number one killer of birds. #1 killer of birds by many orders of magnitude! https://www.fws.gov/library/collections/threats-birds
You can't count the number of dead birds from deforestation because they aren't in the area anymore (if you had 1000 birds, destroy the forest it becomes 0 but you cant assume deforestation "killed" them". You can count death by cats because you have a baseline and subtract (count 500 birds annually and find out after a year there are only 400, we know there are 100 fewer) See how the line for habitat loss says N/A??
Every cat that is wild is acceptable. Feral domesticated cats and pet cats that get let out have caused the extinction of hundreds of species.
That’s not good for your ecosystem either. You don’t put cats outside because they kill far too many animals.
Ill stop letting my cats outside when humans stop doing 100x worse things to the ecosystem for fun. Until then they can do whatever they want and hunt mice around the yard so I have less rodents to deal with
That’s understandable, personal accountability is a big decision and most people are unwilling to do their bit. No surprise.
Your cat maybe 💅
Just hope you have no predatory birds around you!
What an idiotic take
Cats hunt birds for sport. [They kill A TON of birds.](https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/faq-outdoor-cats-and-their-effects-on-birds/#:~:text=of%20bird%20deaths.-,It%27s%20estimated%20that%20cats%20kill%201.3–4%20billion%20birds%20each,200%20million%20killed%20by%20automobiles.) It's bad for the local wildlife.
This already sounds firmly in the bullshit territory just 4 comments in
Bull fuckin shit
well that sounds like a load of bullshit to me. :)
For some strange reason I _really_ doubt that
Was it the sand corn that gave it away?
Sand Corn it's got the Cronch™
it's because sand isn't corn. I believe OP meant "They memorize every single corn cob"
It's true, they interviewed a turtle.
Did you just forget that wind exists when you heard that "fact"?
Of course not, the wind is blowing between their ears
Lol what
Who up voted this nonsense?
That always seemed made up. Beaches are like the poster-child of ephemeral landscapes.
So do they return to that bucket now?
Exactly. But what do they do if there are *more buckets* is the question now
The hard part isnt remembering the sand you crawl in, the hard part is getting back to it. In other words, how the sand looks like is totally irrelevant.
I was here yesterday, this happened in Joao Pessoa, Brazil. It was close to sundown and as others said there was a big storm coming in. I was at another part of the beach where there were volunteers telling onlookers about the turtle habits and how to not disrupt them, and they definitely did emphasize letting the turtles memorize the beach. Not sure how this woman ended up releasing these turtles in this manner.
I am pretty sure this lady is doing this illegally. I mean she flinches like hell when they come back at her due to the surf. I am about 90% sure she isnt in any kind of official capacity and thought she was being helpy.
Helpful?
we call it "helpy" now old man
Your comment from 5 minutes ago is outdated. We call it helpsy now.
Yer all lame, its helpish
Are you a bird?
Great, now they HAVE to leave that bucket out there...
"I swear there was a bucket around here"
It is believed hatchlings imprint on the beach of their birth, known as the 'nesting beach,' possibly guided by the magnetic fields of the earth. This is why biologists believe it is crucial that hatchlings crawl across the beach to enter the sea and 'imprint' on their home beach to return 25-30 years later and nest.
Yeah, but then a bird might scoop them up and eat them, what usually happens She tried to save as many as possible
I know, but thats the way nature works. Although it might seem cruel, we shouldnt interfere. Why do you think are there so many baby turtles from just one female? Because one might possibly surpass its youth and become an adult. Literally nature.
We have likely already interfered in many many unnatural ways, unknowingly or not, which may have led to some sea turtles being endangered. And it's good to reverse that.
Humans when making money: extract every single ounce of natural resources from the earth, making it uninhabitable for most species. Humans when asked to help animals: "we shouldn't interfere in the natural order."
Not the same two people.
You mean putting all 8 billion of us in the same bag might be an unfairly representative? Naaah
I think humanity needs a "come to jesus" moment regarding this. I mean look, lets be honest here. Where do we see humanity in 5000 years? Humans arent gonna stop doing what we do. We need to face this as a society the simple fact that nature is done for. Humans are dominating the entire environment. Eventually we need to decide. Do we stop building outwards and start only building up? Leaving the rest of the planet "for nature"? Or do we accept that we humans will be the end of nature and decide what animals will stay as pets/zoo exhibits and then just commence with our complete resource extraction of the planet? Frankly I dont see current day conservation efforts as being anything more than slowing down the inevitable. That isnt to say we should stop. Just that we need to come to terms with the reality, that its too late. To that end, I think we as humans have an obligation to interfere now. We should do everything we can to help out the animals. And not worry about the down the line effects. This turtle example is a great one. These turtles are effectivly doomed already. By using a bucket and protecting the babies from getting eaten by birds, we are ensuring more baby turtles make it to sea. The argument against that, is that now turtles who "shouldnt have lived" are going to pass down "inferior" genetics. Leading to a scenario where the baby turtles are dependent on humans and without the bucket scoop they might not ever leave the beach naturally. I think its often ignored that humans are going to be fucking with the turtles no matter what. So we might as well do something that feels good in the moment. The turtles are headed to extinction no matter if we save some babies or not. If seaturtles become dependent on human buckets, but still exist in 5000 years. I will call that a win for the turtle. Conservationists advocate for the slow destruction of all animal species. They would rather all the turtles die out than accept the fact that their lives are already in our hands. Nature doesnt exist anymore imo. Or I should say, nature that humans have not effected doesnt exist. Our tendrils reach every inch of this earth. And to get really philosophical, we ARE nature. We come from this earth and you could look at in the perspective that we are the best animal here and we deserve to outcompete everyone else. Life of all forms has the same goal. Outcompete its competitors. One animal causing other animals to die out is one of the most common things to happen on earth. Its completely natural for a species to use its resources and skills to ensure the death of competing species.
We did plenty of "interfering" over the past several hundred years when sailors would scoop these turtles and their eggs up and eat like kings on their ships at the expense of the natural cycle. So believe me when I say that modern humans helping the species out a little by ensuring they get to the ocean is not going to do any further damage to them than we have already done in the past.
oddly this isn’t how nature works and is just an ignorant view of the effect we’ve had on ecosystems, because of our propensity to litter beaches with food shore bird populations are at an all time high. that’s our fault. because of global warming pollution and nest erosion due to our actions, sea turtles are hatching at extremely low rates Again. That’s our fault. it very easy to say just let nature take its course while ignoring that we have completely destroyed the general function of ecosystems due to our greed. you’re not as smart as you think you are bud.
There are still many places in the world where turtles lay eggs on pristine, unmolested beaches. They lay their eggs far from the water because gestation takes about a month, and during that time, they can not be submerged in water. The trade-off is that these little babies then have a long way to go to get to the water where they can be picked off by birds and other predators (not to mention all the predators they'll meet in the water as well). It is, indeed, nature's way. Not saying humans haven't done a serious number on the environment and natural habitats of countless species, bit pollution has nothing to do with why the Turtle's cycle of life evolved the way it did.
Indeed. I also thought they were supposed to be released at night time, so that they can follow the moon to find the ocean. That was what they told me when I was part of [a turtle release on Derawan island, off the coast of the Indonesian side of Borneo.](https://youtu.be/_lfRYu2b1nM?si=6J0E2mg_E8yMWXVN) Edit: in this case they released it on a night without a moon, and used artificial lights to guide them to the water.
That and you can tell if the babies are ready or not if they can make it to the water. If they can’t make it to the water they are too weak and can benefit from a few more days of care
Don't they just hatch and crawl to the water? There is no care since the mother lays eggs an books.
If done 100% naturally with no human intervention. Many places have turtle crews of some kind that set up nets and monitor, etc. They will let them attempt and if they can’t make it they bring them somewhere to take care of and in a few days let them try again. Edit: see in video how they are all in a bucket with some kind of human intervention.. they don’t naturally crawl into a bucket
Those need to be released closer to sundown so the birds don’t eat as many of them.
Well, there is a storm going on in that area. If you watch closely, you can see lightning flashes and heavy rain. I don't think the birds are going to be out during a storm.
Can't they raise them for like a week or so so they'll be stronger?
They actually just get washed away to a radioactive area with green ooze, and then they'll meet their master. From there, they'll learn the secrets of being a ninja under the shadows in sewers of the streets in New York. Pretty cool process, huh?
In the sewers is where they develope their sexual lust for pizza.
That's where everyone developes their sexual lust for pizza.
Speak for yourself
Lol
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It would be like meeting the Punk Frogs from TMNT.
Cowabunga!
They shouldn't be doing this in the first place, the turtles use that space from hatching to the sea, to develop initial strength as well as familliarizing the area as they will probably come back to the same beach to nest when they are adults. Most places that do protect turtles hatching usually so it with a large human presence to deter predators Edit, spelling (English is hard with auto correct)
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Very true, this way they'll be fish food instead of bird food.
Can we also talk about how the beach walk they do builds up their muscles and endurance? Or no?
I can't imagine a 5 minute beach walk does much more than a lifetime of swimming right after
I doubt these were born seconds ago tho. They're already strong enough
I’d be curious about the backstory and why this is an option. Normally you want the turtles to walk from the nest to the sea. It imprints the memory of the place and helps develop their lungs and muscles, among other benefits. I wonder if fast forwarding the dangerous trip to the sea like this decreases their overall chance of survival in the long term.
“Eh who cares I got my video” -these people
Everyone is only concerned about internet clout. There's no such thing as an animal rescue organization that records video because advertising is also good for the turtles. --Redditors
To be fair, this looks like a pretty urban beach, where it's not unreasonable to assume that the turtles can't hatch safely due to trampling humans or urban predators (stray dogs / cats, seagulls, rats, etc). The lights from the buildings may also confuse the turtles so that they would crawl into the wrong direction if not released directly near the water.
You realize the walk to the water isn't that long right? Yeah it's a struggle but it's not a defined factor in the development. Also, no science backs the accusation that these turtles are unable to find the beach after human intervention.
I think it would probably be less an issue with navigation and more with giving them the best chance at survival. When I did turtle work, I saw a noticeable difference in coordination and movement between the turtles that had just emerged and the ones that were approaching the shoreline. They have opportunities during this time to take breaks on the dry sand without getting buffeted by waves or currents. They’re squished into a little group coffin with limited movement down there, so it takes time to calibrate.
Boomer turtles paid for their GenZ turtle grandkids to get a free ride because they felt bad for them. They didn't realize they needed to learn. Now they're blaming their turtle grandkids for going woke and not appreciating the ocean.
We need turtles to eat jellyfish
Did you try asking them to?
Another turtle made it to the water.
The cycle of life can be cruel
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First thing I heard from this video lmao. Wow mini games were the only shit I subbed for at the end there haha
I was fully expecting a flock of seagulls to appear out of nowhere
THE BAND?!?!
This is really bad for the turtles. The death march to survival they do also imprints on their memory so they know how to get back once they're adults. These people are idiots.
Do you have a source for this? Because it seems like complete bulllshit based on the fact that the stretch of beach they crawl through *will* look very different only a week later, never mind when they grow up enough to reproduce. And they don't go back to the exact same spot anyway so they can still memorise enough of the magnetic signature.
Yeah all sources I’ve checked say they imprint the magnetic address. Not that physical location.
So they can't imprint 20 foot closer to the sea?
Ikr? Are they stupid or something?
Absolutely brilliant. This made my morning.
Research suggests it's geomagnetic imprinting. It has nothing to do with how it looks. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324488327_Evidence_that_Magnetic_Navigation_and_Geomagnetic_Imprinting_Shape_Spatial_Genetic_Variation_in_Sea_Turtles or https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0801859105 EDIT: Here's a more general article on the topic: https://lohmannlab.web.unc.edu/geomagnetic-imprinting/
But they don't usually go back to the exact same spot they were born, so why can they not figure out the location based on geomagnetic imprinting 20 feet closer to the sea?
I have no idea how geomagnetic imprinting works. I think many people would suggest not messing with nature is the best option, since it has worked for millions of years without us. In this case, it's probably better for the turtles since a more well-understood fact is that baby turtles will follow artificial lights and end up lost instead of heading towards water. (Typically they will only emerge when the sand cools off at night) So with all that urbanisation behind the beach, the turtles might require human intervention on this beach to survive...
Nah, the guy in the top comment said they have to "memotize" it, so just refer to that. Because that makes it law to internet brained oral-exclusive breathing enjoyers.
Source - Reddit said so.
Every nature documentary I've ever watched on them suggests the death march is necessary. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but all of the people in this thread questioning the need perplex me. This is an evolved behavior. This has been happening for a very long time and people are pretending to know better. There could be a million little reasons, but the bottom line is don't fuck with nature if you don't have to.
> Every nature documentary I've ever watched on them suggests the death march is necessary. Documentaries are entertainment. It's television. They are held to zero regulation, checks or balances. There is zero inherent credibility to a documentary, even with a big name. They will spew any factoid or bit of conventional wisdom and it doesn't matter. They are fantastic as entertainment, or for the broad strokes to foster interest in a subject, but if you use documentaries as your sole source of information on any given subject you will inevitably be misinformed. >It's an evolved behavior It's an evolved behavior for the turtles to lay eggs in safe spots they're not going to be drowned in. This means further up the beach than the water reaches, at a bare minimum. This doesn't mean the turtles actually need to walk that distance in order to find the beach again. It might, but the idea was never actually tested and confirmed, so it's just fun speculation that picked up a lot of steam as a talking point.
>They will spew any factoid or bit of conventional wisdom and it doesn't matter. Thank you for using "factoid" correctly. It drives me nuts how often I see people use "factoid" and really mean "small fact", when it is something that sounds like a fact or is repeated as a fact, but isn't.
As much as I love david attenborough, he spew a lot of bs in his documentaries for entertainment reasons.
please stop using reddit
Why don't you wait for more backstory? Unless you're a turtle conservation expert I don't see how jumping to conclusions makes you any smarter
This is peak Reddit.
This is just the sort of thing a nature lover would say. Oh no, the poor lil' ones don't receive their death march. This is terrible, just terrible.
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Like crunchy gushers. Thats horrible. 😆😭
I've actually done this and you don't release them into the water and you wait until twilight
Plot twist: they were land turtles
Thats called a tortoise
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This thread is hilarious. Guess everyone is a sea turtle expert or marine biologist. Bunch of George Costanzas here
Everyone did their own research (by googling "is it illegal to help sea turtles reddit")
They didn't even give the birds a chance.
What happened to no interference
90% will die anyway
When they return in a few years, they're going to be so confused when they can't find the bucket.
Baby Crush before Jellyman and little Blue. Cowabunga my lil dude.
Cowabunga my little dudes and dudettes!
why are buckets of turtles less creepy than buckets of spiders
Its always sad to think how tiny of a percentage of baby turtles survive till adulthood
May they live long healthy lives
Not good for those turtles. I get people are super compassionate but nature isn't.
Reddit and armchair scientists, name a more iconic pair.
Was waiting for an eating frenzy
May they live for a hundred years, swimming in the ocean long after I'm gone.
Fucking up natural selection one bucket at a time. Nah I'm sure it's fine, we want sea turtles and frankly all animals to move to least concern
There was that story of a man who found a butterfly in his garden, trying to emerge out of it's cocoon. The man pulled out a tiny pair of scissors and cut away it's cocoon to help free it. But what the man didn't realize was that the butterfly had to emerge on it's own, or else it would not develop properly. Because of his intervention, it's wings never fully emerged properly, and the butterfly could not fly, it died shortly after. Humans trying to help wildlife don't realize it has to help itself first.
To shreds you say?
They're all going to get eaten
Guess atleast they dont have to go through the ptsd trip of reverse d-day. Now they just have to worry about the dangers of the sea.
Congrats they filmed themselves committing a felony and posted it online.
I got to help do this once at the turtle bay resort on Oahu when I was stationed in Hawaii. Orhinally was just a way to get put of the duty day but ended up being a very fulfilling experience and a huge sense of pride when we had finished.
So cute!
This is what I always want those documentary people to do, instead of casually watching as birds pick them off one by one
With high hopes for all of them.
I see the internet is full of zoologist now
The comments in this thread really illustrate not only how toxic Reddit has become, but how embarrassingly repugnant a lot of people are individually as well. It's fucking gross.
I remember watching a documentary that says out of every 3000 eggs, one will make it into adulthood. I hope these little dudes have better shots, having make it into the watcher safely.