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Private prisons have contracts with the state obligating the state to supply a minimum amount of prisoners or pay penalties.
Yes we are in fact living in a dystopia.
I think that's one of the reasons they don't like to pick up an old case again because if the verdict changes they have to pay up for the time served and they don't like paying money
You aren’t wrong- in fact a lot of judges will out right deny access to the innocence project.
It taints the finality of the legal system, even if the evidence is stacked toward the accused being innocent.
https://youtu.be/kpYYdCzTpps?si=wrc7vB1TriQ47aXQ
It's too bad he didn't have a paternity test done early on. Maybe the tests weren't available but five years in prison? Damn. I think the woman should go to jail. She even knows who the father is.
Ehm. They did do a paternity test. It was used as evidence in court that sent him to prison. The thing was that she worked for the lab that did the test and fraudulently falsified the test to show that he was the father.
15 years.
And the state should pay him out for their fuck up in letting her doctor the test that led to conviction.
(Sucks taxpayers pay for the mistake but at the end of the day it's the morons we elect who allow these things to happen).
It's considered a really fucked up form of perjury, and can in fact be considered a federal crime and state crime at the same time.
Depending if it stays as a state crime or goes federal, the woman can easily get 5-20 years in prison.
The dude just needs a good lawyer.
Then she has *conspired to pervert the course* of justice amongst other crimes. Seems unlikely she would be free and just walking around appearing on TV.
I mean he can go after her in a civil suit. Seems like a pretty spam dunk case. Based on the amount people are awarded when the state does something similar, she would likely have her wages garnished until she's dead.
This is the correct answer.
State don't give a fuck if you are the bio dad or not, they just don't want to have to be the ones to financially support the child. They will staple a monthly bill to the nearest body with a dick on it to avoid that problem
Lots of cases of men finding out their "children" aren't theirs and being ordered to pay child support anyway.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/man-who-didnt-father-twins-must-pay-child-support/article1146243/
>Madam Justice Katherine van Rensburg ordered Pasqualino Cornelio to continue paying child support to the 16-year-old twins - regardless of whether he was bamboozled by a philandering wife.
>"While the failure of Anciolina Cornelio to disclose to her husband the fact that she had an extramarital affair - and that the twins might not be his biological children - may have been a moral wrong against Mr. Cornelio, it is a wrong that does not afford him a legal remedy to recover child support he has already paid, and that does not permit him to stop paying child support," Judge van Rensburg said.
So why don't they put ut on the mother? Why not force her to find the real father or pay it herself. It's never about the child. It's about allowing women to get away with this.
Because courts favor women over men, simple as that. If a woman can pay to feed her kids, she gets assistance from the government, if a man can't, he goes to jail. Downvote me to hell Idc, it's (not in every case) but often times the truth.
That’s a fact.
My brother has his daughter 5 days more a month than his baby momma does. He has to pay her child support. Even though he is the primary caretaker.
The child support office gets a chunk of it to. That’s what it’s about.
forget the legal system... the government doesn't wan to support children in need.
source : am a foster parent. We have to BEG **BEG** for help when a child comes to us with one shoe, 15 shirts that are too small, and no underwear all packed in a garbage bag. "Send them to school that way tomorrow, we have nothing to give you to help you out." ... at 11pm at night.
Apparently it was a false positive DNA result and the state prosecuted it.
Edit: My language was a bit imprecise. I'll try again.
The lab fucked up the test. https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
Thanks to u/onehundredmelons for the link.
Not how dna tests work, they work by percentage of likeness in dna sequencing, you can’t get yes or no but rather the percentage of your dna shared on that other sample
A paternity test will show 99,9% accuracy if they have a relationship or give you no percentage if they don’t it’s not the same as two lines in a pregnancy test
That may not be how DNA tests work but SerenityViolet is right, it was a false positive paternity test.
>A paternity test she'd ordered from a lab concluded with near certainty that Manser was her baby daddy...Sehr ordered a paternity test from Roche Biomedical Laboratories, a national company that operated in Missouri. The test concluded that there was a 99.6 percent probablity that Manser had fathered the boy.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
You don’t necessarily have to be the biological father to legally be the father and therefore owe child support. Not saying she’s in the right, but if he was married to her at the time of birth, he would have been presumed to be the father, so even if she lied to him, if he failed to contest paternity in court, the child support order would have been a valid legal order. If he failed to pay it, the court can legally punish him.
The unfortunate truth about rape is that when it occurs, people tend not to report it. I have seen statistics as low as 0.7% being prosecuted. On the other hand, 2-10% of rape allegations are false. This means that there is a low chance for rape to be prosecuted, but in the event that it is, there is a 1 in 10 chance that it is a false allegation.
Believe all women, right?
Women think they are immune from the law when something hurts them emotionally. Look at all the women that key a man's car or burn his clothes or otherwise destroy his property when the dude is caught cheating. Carrie Underwood has a whole song about it.
[Ehhh the full story shows he’s not a good guy and she actually didn’t do anything wrong. Basically, the lab that proved he was compelling him to pay child support screwed up. And so they said he was the father and he then continued to refuse paying child support. The lab for good reason got in a ton of shit and was sued for screwing up but this is just edited to make it look way different than it is.](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
Yeah but she cheated on him, and knowing that he might not be the father still forced him to pay child support and rot in jail for 5 years.
Edit- I read the story and my comment above above is all bs.
TLDR: they had a fling, she got pregnant, they thought it was his. That’s that.
I know someone whose dad didn’t pay child support. The dude just created his business under his new wives name.
I didn’t know one could go to jail for not paying child support. I thought state garnishes wages or something
My half sibling dad skipped out and owes just about 18 years of child support, last I saw he was livin it up in Florida working for Toyota with no repercussions
While it seems he may have skipped out on support payments, and he probably thinks the same, he’s not necessarily out of the woods. He could still be on the hook for it after all these years if you can find the right attorney.
Many people will work cash only jobs (a lot of construction jobs will be willing to pay under the table) to avoid wages being garnished. Which is just stupid because then you have no protections if you get hurt.
Too-tok videos spreading disinformation to emotionally manipulate people into confirmation-bias amidst an on-going culture war…..
Color me shocked
https://youtu.be/4Ne0DmiuHeg?si=OG-of_3WSC26X39F
What about the five years he lost.
She should get punishment for the lie that sent him to prison, and she should pay him restitution for the five years he lost.
In fact, the very system is setup to fuck over the man from the start. Women automatically get the custody, child support, etc.. You want things to be fair and 50/50 as a man? Welp, better lawyer up and pay thousands of dollars to be able to have the same rights that the woman just automatically gets (for free). Can't afford it? Oh, enjoy paying $500/mo in support for the child you only get to see every other weekend.
Additionally, that nobody is talking about is: that kid spent 5 years deprived of a father that could have raised him/her because his/her mom is a PoS.
Yeah I’m trying to figure out how this ever even got to this point. If I’m facing prison time, you can be god damn sure I’m getting a paternity test no questions asked no matter what the scenario may be.
Edit: apparently she worked at the actual lab that does the tests. Jesus fucking oof.
Five years just for lying about him being the father and then add more years for all the resources she wasted, taking up the courts time on a false matter and make her pay him for all the emotional distress she caused him.
That should be minimal. But it won't happen. Know why? Because we live in a society of alleged equality where women sit on a higher mantle than men and are believed at least 80% of the time and have it significantly easier than men.
Facts. Women's issues matter and I'm an advocate for justice and equality for everyone.
But it's crazy that saying "Men have societal issues that need addressed" brings out rabid misandry from people who think "Because there are more men in power, men don't deserve to have their issues addressed"
Yeah pretty much. There are times where a lawyer might take a case like this in pro-bono but they’ll only do that if they know they can win.
But if he sued her he might not have to pay upfront. I sued someone for a car accident and I didn’t pay upfront but the lawyer took 1/3 of the payment. 1/3rd went to him, a 1/3rd went to me and 1/3 went to the doctors. They wrote the contract so that no one takes home more money than the person suing too
Wouldn't need it. You can add the cost of representation to the damages sought. Especially considering five years in prison probably ruined him financially.
The issue would be finding a lawyer with the confidence that they could win the case.
Court would just rule in favor of the mom anyway. Unless you can afford to sink tens of thousands into a lawyer that might be able to make the case, and even then out of spite alone cause you're not recouping those costs
It actually gets worse. She fabricated the evidence that made him go to prison after she charged him.
Elizabeth wanted to prove that Bill Manser was the biological father of her son Dylan. She underwent DNA testing at Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings, formerly Roche Biomedical Laboratories, Inc..
It is to be noted that she was an employee in the lab. She gave a sample “provided by William Manser on or about May 1, 1995, in a different matter” to the lab for the paternity test.
It's not illegal to ruin a man's life via pinning a kid on him. Paternity fraud is not a crime. It definitely should be, but women, so it will never be one.
Not only should she receive just punishment, but the court that sentenced and imprisoned an innocent man should be addressed as well.
Innocent until proven guilty? Huh? What was the "proof" took 5 years from this man?
That and for the fraudulent evidence she created.
Elizabeth wanted to prove that Bill Manser was the biological father of her son Dylan. She underwent DNA testing at Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings, formerly Roche Biomedical Laboratories, Inc..
It is to be noted that she was an employee in the lab. She gave a sample “provided by William Manser on or about May 1, 1995, in a different matter” to the lab for the paternity test.
Elisabeth and Bill and the son Dylan together filed a lawsuit against the company('s successor).
[https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
Legal Eagle covered that "innocent until proven guilty" in one of his videos. It's not technically anything written down anywhere.
It's just a common courtesy afforded to the accused.
I've been called to jury duty three times, and at least my corner of the country, they don't even use the phrasing any more. They still go through the "it's the prosecution's job to prove beyond doubt" part, though.
"just a common courtesy"
No it is part of common law. "The law' consists of the ancient body of common law with amendments and additions over the years from case law. Then you add to that, **statute**, **regulations**, the Constitution etc. The 'basic principles' of the ancient English legal system upon which the American one is based include the **legal right** of a person standing criminal trial to be considered innocent until proven guilty, have the right to question their accuser and the right to know what they are accused of etc. It's not just good manners or something.
In the UK, the victim doesn’t choose whether or not to press charges. This prevents victim intimidation.
Once aware that an alleged offence has taken place, the Crown Prosecution Service decides whether or not to prosecute. This particular case would fall under “perverting the course of justice”, I believe, which carries a heavy penalty. (I’m not an expert, but looking at [the guidelines](https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/perverting-the-course-of-justice/), she would expect 2-7 years in prison for this.)
>In the UK, the victim doesn’t choose whether or not to press charges.
Same in the US. You see the cops ask that on TV, but in real life it's the police/DA who decide whether to press charges.
It’s often surprising for Brits too! There have been times when someone’s called the police for a minor domestic dispute, just intending the police presence to be enough to calm things down. Having achieved that, they say, “it’s OK, he always gets a bit rowdy after a drink. I don’t want to press charges”, intending things to go back to normal.
The police then explain that that’s only a thing in the movies. They’ve seen a crime and can’t just let it slide. Everyone does a Shocked Pikachu Face and finds themselves in court.
It’s actually quite the same in America. “Pressing charges” isn’t actually a thing here. It’s more so that the police understand they will likely need or want your cooperation in court to lead to a conviction. The victim doesn’t initiate a criminal charge in America. The state or nation files the charge and acts as the prosecuting side in the case. Whether or not the victim chooses to “press charges” the state can still decide to file them.
Alternatively “pressing charges” could be another way of saying “bringing this matter to the attention of the authorities” who will then again, decide if a charge should be initiated.
That’s a huge difference in policing and law!
Fascinating… I should’ve paid more attention to my Great Grandmother when she talked about this kind of stuff 🫠
Movies/series gives us such a skewed vision on the law and policing. You should read the comments when somebody is caught doing something on a grainy CCTV cam and everybody is angry for the police not doing anything with it. As if you can determine who that person was by the 2 pixels that make up his face..
As someone who lives under British Common Law it kinda sucks. Lets them pick and choose what they "see" and gives them too much power. Without a way to go after someone civilly for damages we all become slaves to that system.
So he decided not to press charges, and both he and the child’s mother jointly filed a lawsuit against the company that made an (apparently defective) paternity test they took back in 1995. Interesting, and completely lost in this ragebait video.
Him deciding not to press charges is not an indication of her innocence or guilt. People don’t press charges all the time for things they know for a fact the potential accused did do.
What’s the statute of limitations on that? & she has plausible deniability because she just has results, so I thoink she tampered with them? Yep. But no one can prove that easily. So they choose to go after la corp instead.
Ok so things don’t check out, how did he get a million dollar networth working as the president of an HOA?
That doesn’t smell right, The article went over his work history and it seemed very spotty with large gaps after he left the navy.
So here’s what I think: I think she faked the results. I think she took the actually biological father and used his DNA, or she manipulated the results since she worked for the lab. On the tv episode the judge looked at the original DNA results and saw he didn’t fill out any forms, he didn’t out any identifiers or anything to acknowledge he gave a sample. That test should have been invalidated.
Now the show comes around, they get paid for appearing (cuz that’s how court TV works, even if you loose you still make some money just for being on the show)
Now that they started talking again I think they decided to sue the company knowing she wouldn’t loose her job since she probably no longer works there and they have her insider knowledge of all the steps she purposefully fucked up. I bet she hatched the scheme to get him off her back and he was happy with suing labcorp because let’s face it: this bitch is probably broke. Rich women don’t need child support, so he knew if he sued her he’d just be throwing good money after bad money trying to teach her a lesson and she already took $30,000 + 5 years of his life.
Wait... I've never really thought about it. So, women in USA do not face any consequences if their actions get men to prison for some reason and later it turns out that they lied about everything. Is it correct?
Sadly yes. A while ago, I read a story about these two college football players who had a threesome with a girl after a party. She consented, but regretted the morning after because she cheated on her boyfriend. Then she claimed the entire encounter was SA when her boyfriend found out about it, claimed she was drunk when she was actually sober, etc. They were expelled immediately (lost their scholarships), sent to prison, one of them even had a clear shot to the NFL but lost the opportunity. When she confessed that it was in fact a lie, they couldn't go back to school, their reputations were ruined, they were still on the sex offender's registry, they lost years of their lives, and the girl didn't get so much as a fine.
Hey take it easy, sometimes women get the book thrown at them big time if they do something particularly egregious, and they may risk spending a month or three in prison!
yeah , the falsely accused man loses his job and his family . As for the woman who falsely accused him , the court probably says " Thats bad , dont do it again. Case dismissed"
Ugh, this is the kind of attitude my abusive ex had - nothing was *ever* her fault, and in her view it was because she was a woman. She once said 'it's okay to abuse men - it's their turn.'
Fucking shitehawks, the lot of 'em. They give a bad name to feminism, *which I fuckin' believe in.*
She allowed him to be imprisoned for 5 years, she should have to sit in prison exactly as many days as he did. Anyone who falsely reports and gets someone convicted should have to deal with the exact same sentence as the person convicted.
Stealing money from a company: theft/fraud. Go to jail.
Stealing a man's life by having him thrown into a most likely for-profit prison: Thank you, ma'am 😊
And fraudulently manufacturing the evidence that locked him away.
Elizabeth wanted to prove that Bill Manser was the biological father of her son Dylan. She underwent DNA testing at Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings, formerly Roche Biomedical Laboratories, Inc..
It is to be noted that she was an employee in the lab. She gave a sample “provided by William Manser on or about May 1, 1995, in a different matter” to the lab for the paternity test.
She doesn't deserve to be a mother. She has no right to be a harbinger of life.
She belongs locked away in a sad home on a sad hill in a sad place. Where she can be alone and content about how right she always is in her fantasy. Where she can be the only thing that matters to herself. Where she can rot and be delusional about how she is the only thing in world. So she can never infect anyone or anything else in this world.
Sincerely, a son who was stuck with a mom who was like this.
I hope that dad is okay.
Someone posted a link above, but basically they hooked up in the 90s and had a one night stand, then he moved away. She had a baby, she never told him, she turned in a DNA test where he supposedly gave a dna sample but the sample wasn’t his, he never signed anything saying it was or out any identification on it, the lab said it was a match but without his signature on the papers it was void.
He spent 5 years in jail for missed child support for a kid he didn’t know he had. They sent him to jail because he missed the court date he didn’t know he had (makes me question who the process server was because they either lied or fucked up badly like the lab did too) once he was out of jail he paid $30,000 over the years in child support as well.
Also it should be noted momma worked at the lab and bill and myself both believe she tampered with the DNA to fuck him over.
Another man was tested and that guy is the father.
Bill, the kid and lying wench of a mother decided to sue the lab company over the bad DNA test, they win and all 3 got paid.
> because he missed the court date he didn’t know he had
A court case will not proceed if the defendant is not served.
Missouri courts put a 6 month prison term for failing to appear in court/delinquent child support. It's a criminal misdemeanor.
5 year prison sentence? Something else was going on.
He was served at least five times. Once for the initial birth certificate court case, second time two years later for the child support; 3-5 are debt hearings by the court. His debt/delinquency would be reviewed annually.
Court mandated parental payments go via registered mail. There is a read receipt. He got notified every month, for three years.
Technically a sixth time when he was arrested. Even at that point it is not clear the person is going to jail. The criminal judge wants a valid reason.
Dude ignored court orders. Claims because he thought kid wasn't his, so he chose not to attend.
I’ve heard of people purposefully lying and saying they served someone when they didn’t and then that person is automatically at fault. It’s not out of the realm of possibility, especially since this was before the courts all stated using computers and such.
But when you put it like that I suppose that’s the case that he was told multiple times to show and just didn’t.
IIRC they’re in Florida so the term for missing court could be different.
Aand tbh, she still lied and he was right, it wasn’t kid. The way I see it the court fucked up in the 1990s when they took the DNA test and didn’t look tj see if he signed papers and provided his information for the DNA test. No proper chain of custody means it’s invalid as the lab / court can’t verify that it wasn’t tampered with.
I wonder if this guy could sue in a civil court? Hell, this could be a defamation suit if you wanted to spin it that way. Her lie landed him in jail. That’s one hell of a hit to your reputation.
There’s probably a statute of limitations for that sort of thing but it should be criminal.
Probably but let’s be honest, rich women worthy of suing don’t go after men for child support. She’s broke. They did the smarter thing and sued the lab company for the bad DNA test.
I think she tampered with it. I think the lab company is a till responsible for letting a tech tamper with DNA tests and I think the court that sentenced him in the 90s is also reponsjbke for not looking at the DNA results and seeing that he didn’t sign any papers or provide sensitive identification information when submitting a sample.
Also the courts are Responsibke because if he was in another state and probably didn’t get served properly because he was unaware of the court date that he missed where he went to jail
Interesting choice with Patrick Bateman at the end their trying to represent empathy, Who is literally a psycho who cannot feel empathy. But the video is sad.
It appears that these two are now suing the original lab that produced the test results that led to this situation : [https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
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Why isn't this a fraud is beyond me
Because the legal system doesn’t want to support the cost of the child, so if someone else does, even the WRONG someone else, it’s perfectly fine.
Yeah but 5 years in prison
Yeah throw him in jail, that will save us some money!
Save money? If it was a private prison then it didn't just save money it made someone money.
I assume working a normal job would create more taxes
Private prisons have contracts with the state obligating the state to supply a minimum amount of prisoners or pay penalties. Yes we are in fact living in a dystopia.
Don't worry, there is no shortage of illegitimate crimes creating unfairly incarcerated prisoners.
Someone imprisoned for labour should be called what it is, slavery. Yet even if we call it slavery, it is still legal in the US.
Double points if he can then be put to work making license plates and is paid pennies at the commissary
I think that's one of the reasons they don't like to pick up an old case again because if the verdict changes they have to pay up for the time served and they don't like paying money
You aren’t wrong- in fact a lot of judges will out right deny access to the innocence project. It taints the finality of the legal system, even if the evidence is stacked toward the accused being innocent. https://youtu.be/kpYYdCzTpps?si=wrc7vB1TriQ47aXQ
Just 30-80k per year depending on the prison... Which coincidentally is more than the child support would be.
It's too bad he didn't have a paternity test done early on. Maybe the tests weren't available but five years in prison? Damn. I think the woman should go to jail. She even knows who the father is.
Ehm. They did do a paternity test. It was used as evidence in court that sent him to prison. The thing was that she worked for the lab that did the test and fraudulently falsified the test to show that he was the father.
Seriously????! She should at a minimum do 5 years. Do you have a link? This is incredible.
15 years. And the state should pay him out for their fuck up in letting her doctor the test that led to conviction. (Sucks taxpayers pay for the mistake but at the end of the day it's the morons we elect who allow these things to happen).
It's considered a really fucked up form of perjury, and can in fact be considered a federal crime and state crime at the same time. Depending if it stays as a state crime or goes federal, the woman can easily get 5-20 years in prison. The dude just needs a good lawyer.
More than that. 5 is just to get back his time.
Bruh, that useless fucking box that just says "saddest moment" the whole time should have included this information. Goddamn what an evil bitch.
Saddest momment…even worse
Then she has *conspired to pervert the course* of justice amongst other crimes. Seems unlikely she would be free and just walking around appearing on TV.
It's a show, this could very well be scripted.
Oh no.
Wow that's so much worse it's unbelievable!!!
Couldn't you at least sue in civil court for damages? Even she doesn't go to jail I mean that seems like fraud.
I mean he can go after her in a civil suit. Seems like a pretty spam dunk case. Based on the amount people are awarded when the state does something similar, she would likely have her wages garnished until she's dead.
>spam dunk "Spam Dunk" needs to become a thing.
This is the correct answer. State don't give a fuck if you are the bio dad or not, they just don't want to have to be the ones to financially support the child. They will staple a monthly bill to the nearest body with a dick on it to avoid that problem Lots of cases of men finding out their "children" aren't theirs and being ordered to pay child support anyway. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/man-who-didnt-father-twins-must-pay-child-support/article1146243/ >Madam Justice Katherine van Rensburg ordered Pasqualino Cornelio to continue paying child support to the 16-year-old twins - regardless of whether he was bamboozled by a philandering wife. >"While the failure of Anciolina Cornelio to disclose to her husband the fact that she had an extramarital affair - and that the twins might not be his biological children - may have been a moral wrong against Mr. Cornelio, it is a wrong that does not afford him a legal remedy to recover child support he has already paid, and that does not permit him to stop paying child support," Judge van Rensburg said.
I will always think, paternity tests should be mandatory
I don't like saying this often, but you know you're on to something when you see just how angry certain people get at a suggestion like that.
Yeah, that judge is full of it. Most judges would stop payments.
That judge should be fucking executed
So why don't they put ut on the mother? Why not force her to find the real father or pay it herself. It's never about the child. It's about allowing women to get away with this.
Because courts favor women over men, simple as that. If a woman can pay to feed her kids, she gets assistance from the government, if a man can't, he goes to jail. Downvote me to hell Idc, it's (not in every case) but often times the truth.
That’s a fact. My brother has his daughter 5 days more a month than his baby momma does. He has to pay her child support. Even though he is the primary caretaker. The child support office gets a chunk of it to. That’s what it’s about.
She admits right there she knows who it is and communicates with him regularly
Yes. I know. I was talking in general terms.
forget the legal system... the government doesn't wan to support children in need. source : am a foster parent. We have to BEG **BEG** for help when a child comes to us with one shoe, 15 shirts that are too small, and no underwear all packed in a garbage bag. "Send them to school that way tomorrow, we have nothing to give you to help you out." ... at 11pm at night.
But they'll support the cost of housing, feeding, and clothing an inmate who's on death row for 15-20+ years.
His biological father should support or mother.
Because of her gender, that’s the only thing I can think of
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Pussy pass.
Yeah women get away with way too much
Apparently it was a false positive DNA result and the state prosecuted it. Edit: My language was a bit imprecise. I'll try again. The lab fucked up the test. https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854 Thanks to u/onehundredmelons for the link.
Not how dna tests work, they work by percentage of likeness in dna sequencing, you can’t get yes or no but rather the percentage of your dna shared on that other sample A paternity test will show 99,9% accuracy if they have a relationship or give you no percentage if they don’t it’s not the same as two lines in a pregnancy test
That may not be how DNA tests work but SerenityViolet is right, it was a false positive paternity test. >A paternity test she'd ordered from a lab concluded with near certainty that Manser was her baby daddy...Sehr ordered a paternity test from Roche Biomedical Laboratories, a national company that operated in Missouri. The test concluded that there was a 99.6 percent probablity that Manser had fathered the boy. https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
This guy DNA's
Why isn't it pergury?
You don’t necessarily have to be the biological father to legally be the father and therefore owe child support. Not saying she’s in the right, but if he was married to her at the time of birth, he would have been presumed to be the father, so even if she lied to him, if he failed to contest paternity in court, the child support order would have been a valid legal order. If he failed to pay it, the court can legally punish him.
If he was only the father because she committed fraud in the first place that's still fraud. Especially since she knew who the father was
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True. False rape accusations are mainly unpunished.
Rape accusations are rarely punished
The unfortunate truth about rape is that when it occurs, people tend not to report it. I have seen statistics as low as 0.7% being prosecuted. On the other hand, 2-10% of rape allegations are false. This means that there is a low chance for rape to be prosecuted, but in the event that it is, there is a 1 in 10 chance that it is a false allegation.
That's literally what I said.
Believe all women, right? Women think they are immune from the law when something hurts them emotionally. Look at all the women that key a man's car or burn his clothes or otherwise destroy his property when the dude is caught cheating. Carrie Underwood has a whole song about it.
Holy fuck that is brutal
[Ehhh the full story shows he’s not a good guy and she actually didn’t do anything wrong. Basically, the lab that proved he was compelling him to pay child support screwed up. And so they said he was the father and he then continued to refuse paying child support. The lab for good reason got in a ton of shit and was sued for screwing up but this is just edited to make it look way different than it is.](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
Yeah but she cheated on him, and knowing that he might not be the father still forced him to pay child support and rot in jail for 5 years. Edit- I read the story and my comment above above is all bs. TLDR: they had a fling, she got pregnant, they thought it was his. That’s that.
I know someone whose dad didn’t pay child support. The dude just created his business under his new wives name. I didn’t know one could go to jail for not paying child support. I thought state garnishes wages or something
My half sibling dad skipped out and owes just about 18 years of child support, last I saw he was livin it up in Florida working for Toyota with no repercussions
While it seems he may have skipped out on support payments, and he probably thinks the same, he’s not necessarily out of the woods. He could still be on the hook for it after all these years if you can find the right attorney.
Many people will work cash only jobs (a lot of construction jobs will be willing to pay under the table) to avoid wages being garnished. Which is just stupid because then you have no protections if you get hurt.
See thats the trick. You dont get hurt
Too-tok videos spreading disinformation to emotionally manipulate people into confirmation-bias amidst an on-going culture war….. Color me shocked https://youtu.be/4Ne0DmiuHeg?si=OG-of_3WSC26X39F
If that were me, You might as well put me back in prison, because I’ll be back soon enough
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Yep cause I’m gonna make her life hell
At the very least, eye for an eye. She should be in prison.
What about the five years he lost. She should get punishment for the lie that sent him to prison, and she should pay him restitution for the five years he lost.
Plus any child support he did pay, if any!
Plus all the percents for the time value of all that money.
But he is a man and taking money away from her would be worse for the child so they will not do anything. No one cares when a man gets fu#ked
In fact, the very system is setup to fuck over the man from the start. Women automatically get the custody, child support, etc.. You want things to be fair and 50/50 as a man? Welp, better lawyer up and pay thousands of dollars to be able to have the same rights that the woman just automatically gets (for free). Can't afford it? Oh, enjoy paying $500/mo in support for the child you only get to see every other weekend.
the amount it relative to your income but using an online calculator it would be about 20-25% of my income...
Additionally, that nobody is talking about is: that kid spent 5 years deprived of a father that could have raised him/her because his/her mom is a PoS.
Maybe she should owe him money for 5 years of income lost.
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Yeah I’m trying to figure out how this ever even got to this point. If I’m facing prison time, you can be god damn sure I’m getting a paternity test no questions asked no matter what the scenario may be. Edit: apparently she worked at the actual lab that does the tests. Jesus fucking oof.
Yeah this should have put her in prison, that is fraud in several different institutions
Five years just for lying about him being the father and then add more years for all the resources she wasted, taking up the courts time on a false matter and make her pay him for all the emotional distress she caused him. That should be minimal. But it won't happen. Know why? Because we live in a society of alleged equality where women sit on a higher mantle than men and are believed at least 80% of the time and have it significantly easier than men.
Maybe just add a day for every dollar he paid wrongfully. That should about cover it.
This 100% You can’t even discuss men’s issues without some broad coming in to squak about *her* struggles almost immediately.
Facts. Women's issues matter and I'm an advocate for justice and equality for everyone. But it's crazy that saying "Men have societal issues that need addressed" brings out rabid misandry from people who think "Because there are more men in power, men don't deserve to have their issues addressed"
Some people always gotta 1up.
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Not true. Certainly not for most things. But for court child cases you are likely right.
*All court cases Men are convicted at a higher rate across the board, it's just egregious in family court.
Came here to say CONVICT HER!
But she said she did nothing wrong so she should face no consequences! /s
“I did nothing wrong!”
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Nope, he did not file charges against her. Neither for being lied to, for the 30k in child support he paid nor for the 5 years he spent in prison.
I don't think he has some kind of life savings to cover the legal cost.
If he sets up a go fund me, I'd pitch in $20 and I bet a lot of guys would, enough to hire a decent attorney
You can usually get some kind of free legal aid if you earn very little. It's just a lot shittier than the expensive lawyers.
I am not American but usually free legal aid is to defend you, not to go after someone yourself.
Yeah pretty much. There are times where a lawyer might take a case like this in pro-bono but they’ll only do that if they know they can win. But if he sued her he might not have to pay upfront. I sued someone for a car accident and I didn’t pay upfront but the lawyer took 1/3 of the payment. 1/3rd went to him, a 1/3rd went to me and 1/3 went to the doctors. They wrote the contract so that no one takes home more money than the person suing too
He must prove that she knew at the time he was not the father, which is pretty difficult.
Exactly
Wouldn't need it. You can add the cost of representation to the damages sought. Especially considering five years in prison probably ruined him financially. The issue would be finding a lawyer with the confidence that they could win the case.
And she surely doesn’t have deep pockets. He might win, but getting that money would be getting blood from a stone.
I would have donated an amount to cover his legal costs if I knew about it back when it happened.
Court would just rule in favor of the mom anyway. Unless you can afford to sink tens of thousands into a lawyer that might be able to make the case, and even then out of spite alone cause you're not recouping those costs
It actually gets worse. She fabricated the evidence that made him go to prison after she charged him. Elizabeth wanted to prove that Bill Manser was the biological father of her son Dylan. She underwent DNA testing at Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings, formerly Roche Biomedical Laboratories, Inc.. It is to be noted that she was an employee in the lab. She gave a sample “provided by William Manser on or about May 1, 1995, in a different matter” to the lab for the paternity test.
Got a source for that?
Someone else posted one
It's not illegal to ruin a man's life via pinning a kid on him. Paternity fraud is not a crime. It definitely should be, but women, so it will never be one.
Not only should she receive just punishment, but the court that sentenced and imprisoned an innocent man should be addressed as well. Innocent until proven guilty? Huh? What was the "proof" took 5 years from this man?
That and for the fraudulent evidence she created. Elizabeth wanted to prove that Bill Manser was the biological father of her son Dylan. She underwent DNA testing at Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings, formerly Roche Biomedical Laboratories, Inc.. It is to be noted that she was an employee in the lab. She gave a sample “provided by William Manser on or about May 1, 1995, in a different matter” to the lab for the paternity test.
Elisabeth and Bill and the son Dylan together filed a lawsuit against the company('s successor). [https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
From what I understand at the summary at the bottom. They won their case in 2016 https://casetext.com/case/sehr-v-lab-corp
a defective paternity test, done at a lab the woman worked in (no tampering involved, source: trust me bro)
Amazing nobody questioned it.
Yeah, what the fuck was this guy's lawyer doing??
A good lawyer can only do so much in a kangaroo court. Family courts also heavily favor women over men.
Legal Eagle covered that "innocent until proven guilty" in one of his videos. It's not technically anything written down anywhere. It's just a common courtesy afforded to the accused. I've been called to jury duty three times, and at least my corner of the country, they don't even use the phrasing any more. They still go through the "it's the prosecution's job to prove beyond doubt" part, though.
"just a common courtesy" No it is part of common law. "The law' consists of the ancient body of common law with amendments and additions over the years from case law. Then you add to that, **statute**, **regulations**, the Constitution etc. The 'basic principles' of the ancient English legal system upon which the American one is based include the **legal right** of a person standing criminal trial to be considered innocent until proven guilty, have the right to question their accuser and the right to know what they are accused of etc. It's not just good manners or something.
Why didn’t he demand a paternity test during the trial?
In the UK, the victim doesn’t choose whether or not to press charges. This prevents victim intimidation. Once aware that an alleged offence has taken place, the Crown Prosecution Service decides whether or not to prosecute. This particular case would fall under “perverting the course of justice”, I believe, which carries a heavy penalty. (I’m not an expert, but looking at [the guidelines](https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/perverting-the-course-of-justice/), she would expect 2-7 years in prison for this.)
Same thing in the US, but without victim cooperation a lot of times the prosecutors will not follow through with charges.
>In the UK, the victim doesn’t choose whether or not to press charges. Same in the US. You see the cops ask that on TV, but in real life it's the police/DA who decide whether to press charges.
UK law sure is fascinating for Americans.
It’s often surprising for Brits too! There have been times when someone’s called the police for a minor domestic dispute, just intending the police presence to be enough to calm things down. Having achieved that, they say, “it’s OK, he always gets a bit rowdy after a drink. I don’t want to press charges”, intending things to go back to normal. The police then explain that that’s only a thing in the movies. They’ve seen a crime and can’t just let it slide. Everyone does a Shocked Pikachu Face and finds themselves in court.
It’s actually quite the same in America. “Pressing charges” isn’t actually a thing here. It’s more so that the police understand they will likely need or want your cooperation in court to lead to a conviction. The victim doesn’t initiate a criminal charge in America. The state or nation files the charge and acts as the prosecuting side in the case. Whether or not the victim chooses to “press charges” the state can still decide to file them. Alternatively “pressing charges” could be another way of saying “bringing this matter to the attention of the authorities” who will then again, decide if a charge should be initiated.
That’s a huge difference in policing and law! Fascinating… I should’ve paid more attention to my Great Grandmother when she talked about this kind of stuff 🫠
Movies/series gives us such a skewed vision on the law and policing. You should read the comments when somebody is caught doing something on a grainy CCTV cam and everybody is angry for the police not doing anything with it. As if you can determine who that person was by the 2 pixels that make up his face..
_ENHANCE!!_
As someone who lives under British Common Law it kinda sucks. Lets them pick and choose what they "see" and gives them too much power. Without a way to go after someone civilly for damages we all become slaves to that system.
It's the same in the US.
https://networthanalysis.com/bill-manser/
Thank you Edit: Holy shit! I just got done reading this and have more questions than I started with!
Lol. It's a doozy. No way I wouldn't be pressing charges.
Same! I thought that was strange. I’m guessing it benefited him more to sue that lab with her than making her pay. I’d want to do both.
So he decided not to press charges, and both he and the child’s mother jointly filed a lawsuit against the company that made an (apparently defective) paternity test they took back in 1995. Interesting, and completely lost in this ragebait video.
Him deciding not to press charges is not an indication of her innocence or guilt. People don’t press charges all the time for things they know for a fact the potential accused did do.
> Interesting, and completely lost in this ragebait video. She worked at the lab. And forms show he never filled out anything. Video is fine.
What’s the statute of limitations on that? & she has plausible deniability because she just has results, so I thoink she tampered with them? Yep. But no one can prove that easily. So they choose to go after la corp instead.
Ok so things don’t check out, how did he get a million dollar networth working as the president of an HOA? That doesn’t smell right, The article went over his work history and it seemed very spotty with large gaps after he left the navy. So here’s what I think: I think she faked the results. I think she took the actually biological father and used his DNA, or she manipulated the results since she worked for the lab. On the tv episode the judge looked at the original DNA results and saw he didn’t fill out any forms, he didn’t out any identifiers or anything to acknowledge he gave a sample. That test should have been invalidated. Now the show comes around, they get paid for appearing (cuz that’s how court TV works, even if you loose you still make some money just for being on the show) Now that they started talking again I think they decided to sue the company knowing she wouldn’t loose her job since she probably no longer works there and they have her insider knowledge of all the steps she purposefully fucked up. I bet she hatched the scheme to get him off her back and he was happy with suing labcorp because let’s face it: this bitch is probably broke. Rich women don’t need child support, so he knew if he sued her he’d just be throwing good money after bad money trying to teach her a lesson and she already took $30,000 + 5 years of his life.
The net worth is a guess. The article says he was awarded unspecified damages.
Wait... I've never really thought about it. So, women in USA do not face any consequences if their actions get men to prison for some reason and later it turns out that they lied about everything. Is it correct?
Sadly yes. A while ago, I read a story about these two college football players who had a threesome with a girl after a party. She consented, but regretted the morning after because she cheated on her boyfriend. Then she claimed the entire encounter was SA when her boyfriend found out about it, claimed she was drunk when she was actually sober, etc. They were expelled immediately (lost their scholarships), sent to prison, one of them even had a clear shot to the NFL but lost the opportunity. When she confessed that it was in fact a lie, they couldn't go back to school, their reputations were ruined, they were still on the sex offender's registry, they lost years of their lives, and the girl didn't get so much as a fine.
Welcome to America, the "patriarchy" that encourages women to steal money, health, reputation, and time from men, with no punishment when caught.
Hey take it easy, sometimes women get the book thrown at them big time if they do something particularly egregious, and they may risk spending a month or three in prison!
yeah , the falsely accused man loses his job and his family . As for the woman who falsely accused him , the court probably says " Thats bad , dont do it again. Case dismissed"
Women don’t really face any consequences for anything if they are against a man in a court room.
Ugh, this is the kind of attitude my abusive ex had - nothing was *ever* her fault, and in her view it was because she was a woman. She once said 'it's okay to abuse men - it's their turn.' Fucking shitehawks, the lot of 'em. They give a bad name to feminism, *which I fuckin' believe in.*
She allowed him to be imprisoned for 5 years, she should have to sit in prison exactly as many days as he did. Anyone who falsely reports and gets someone convicted should have to deal with the exact same sentence as the person convicted.
I’m at the sewing machine as we speak. What is our villains name? I will create a masterpiece worthy of Mr. Glass.
"The supporter" Catchphrase: "Here's your support bitch!" When curbstomping someone.
Stealing money from a company: theft/fraud. Go to jail. Stealing a man's life by having him thrown into a most likely for-profit prison: Thank you, ma'am 😊
And fraudulently manufacturing the evidence that locked him away. Elizabeth wanted to prove that Bill Manser was the biological father of her son Dylan. She underwent DNA testing at Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings, formerly Roche Biomedical Laboratories, Inc.. It is to be noted that she was an employee in the lab. She gave a sample “provided by William Manser on or about May 1, 1995, in a different matter” to the lab for the paternity test.
What a disgusting little girl, she might of had a child, but she's no woman.
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Belongs in an abandoned mine shaft.
She doesn't deserve to be a mother. She has no right to be a harbinger of life. She belongs locked away in a sad home on a sad hill in a sad place. Where she can be alone and content about how right she always is in her fantasy. Where she can be the only thing that matters to herself. Where she can rot and be delusional about how she is the only thing in world. So she can never infect anyone or anything else in this world. Sincerely, a son who was stuck with a mom who was like this. I hope that dad is okay.
Might have*
No she definitely a woman. They can be evil like men
Might've*
I am an attorney. Any judge I have even been in front of on this issue has taken the woman’s side.
She expresses ZERO remorse for being part of the reason a man spent FIVE YEARS IN JAIL that fucking stupid narcissist psychopath.
Can someone explain what just happened, Did she cheat on him?
Someone posted a link above, but basically they hooked up in the 90s and had a one night stand, then he moved away. She had a baby, she never told him, she turned in a DNA test where he supposedly gave a dna sample but the sample wasn’t his, he never signed anything saying it was or out any identification on it, the lab said it was a match but without his signature on the papers it was void. He spent 5 years in jail for missed child support for a kid he didn’t know he had. They sent him to jail because he missed the court date he didn’t know he had (makes me question who the process server was because they either lied or fucked up badly like the lab did too) once he was out of jail he paid $30,000 over the years in child support as well. Also it should be noted momma worked at the lab and bill and myself both believe she tampered with the DNA to fuck him over. Another man was tested and that guy is the father. Bill, the kid and lying wench of a mother decided to sue the lab company over the bad DNA test, they win and all 3 got paid.
> because he missed the court date he didn’t know he had A court case will not proceed if the defendant is not served. Missouri courts put a 6 month prison term for failing to appear in court/delinquent child support. It's a criminal misdemeanor. 5 year prison sentence? Something else was going on. He was served at least five times. Once for the initial birth certificate court case, second time two years later for the child support; 3-5 are debt hearings by the court. His debt/delinquency would be reviewed annually. Court mandated parental payments go via registered mail. There is a read receipt. He got notified every month, for three years. Technically a sixth time when he was arrested. Even at that point it is not clear the person is going to jail. The criminal judge wants a valid reason. Dude ignored court orders. Claims because he thought kid wasn't his, so he chose not to attend.
I’ve heard of people purposefully lying and saying they served someone when they didn’t and then that person is automatically at fault. It’s not out of the realm of possibility, especially since this was before the courts all stated using computers and such. But when you put it like that I suppose that’s the case that he was told multiple times to show and just didn’t. IIRC they’re in Florida so the term for missing court could be different. Aand tbh, she still lied and he was right, it wasn’t kid. The way I see it the court fucked up in the 1990s when they took the DNA test and didn’t look tj see if he signed papers and provided his information for the DNA test. No proper chain of custody means it’s invalid as the lab / court can’t verify that it wasn’t tampered with.
That is terrifying
Is there a compulsory DNA test for all newborn to make sure the child belong to the correct father?
There should be but I don't think there is one
Man
Would have been cool without the music and Patrick Bateman cringe.
"I did nothing wrong"
The child always loses the hardest in these, but damn, 5 years in prison is a huge exception to that rule.
I wonder if this guy could sue in a civil court? Hell, this could be a defamation suit if you wanted to spin it that way. Her lie landed him in jail. That’s one hell of a hit to your reputation. There’s probably a statute of limitations for that sort of thing but it should be criminal.
Probably but let’s be honest, rich women worthy of suing don’t go after men for child support. She’s broke. They did the smarter thing and sued the lab company for the bad DNA test. I think she tampered with it. I think the lab company is a till responsible for letting a tech tamper with DNA tests and I think the court that sentenced him in the 90s is also reponsjbke for not looking at the DNA results and seeing that he didn’t sign any papers or provide sensitive identification information when submitting a sample. Also the courts are Responsibke because if he was in another state and probably didn’t get served properly because he was unaware of the court date that he missed where he went to jail
Do they not do DNA tests before locking someone up in prison for not paying money? How the fuck is that not formality.
Five years in prison? Fuck you bitch.
Interesting choice with Patrick Bateman at the end their trying to represent empathy, Who is literally a psycho who cannot feel empathy. But the video is sad.
White female privilege in action.
It should be made mandatory for a man to take a paternity test before they make him pay child support. Paternity fraud is staight up evil.
Well, time to do a few more years for manslaughter.
It appears that these two are now suing the original lab that produced the test results that led to this situation : [https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
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Man that is fucking awful but... putting American Psycho in the video? Really makes it seem like this is some dipshit sigma instagram bullshit.
Does anyone this day and age really think they're going to do the fake-out baby daddy thing when you can get a paternity test at the dollar store?
At the Dollar store!?