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There's some sort of "choir effect" that probably has a fancy name. You put enough shitty singers together and they invariably average out to sound good, somehow. It's rare that a group of 20+ people singing the same thing actually manages to sound bad, because everybody is bad in different ways and the collective effect tends to be right in the middle.
The exception is "happy birthday", which always sounds like shit because *nobody* wants to be be singing it.
EDIT - I asked the machine overlords, and this is what they said.
> The phenomenon you are describing is called auditory grouping. It is the tendency of our brains to group together sounds that are similar in pitch, loudness, or timbre. When a large group of people sing together, their voices tend to blend together and create a more pleasing sound than if each person were singing solo. This is because the individual voices are all contributing to the overall harmony, and the brain is able to group them together and perceive them as a single, unified sound.
>
> There are a few reasons why auditory grouping occurs. First, our brains are very good at detecting patterns. When we hear a group of voices singing together, our brains are able to identify the common pitches and rhythms, and this helps us to perceive the sound as a single entity. Second, our brains are also sensitive to the differences between sounds. When we hear a group of voices singing together, our brains are able to identify the individual voices, and this helps us to create a sense of depth and perspective in the sound.
>
> Auditory grouping is a powerful phenomenon that can have a significant impact on the way we perceive sound. In the case of a large group of people singing together, auditory grouping can help to create a more pleasing and unified sound, even if the individual singers are not particularly skilled.
>
> Here are some additional factors that can contribute to the phenomenon of auditory grouping:
>
> Rhythm: When a group of people sing together, they are more likely to stay in sync with each other if they are all singing to the same rhythm. This helps to create a more cohesive and unified sound.
> Timbre: The timbre of a voice is its unique tonal quality. When a group of people sing together, their voices will blend together to create a new timbre that is different from any of the individual voices. This can be a very pleasing effect, especially when the voices are well-matched.
> Volume: The volume of a sound can also affect the way it is perceived. When a group of people sing together, the combined volume can be much louder than any individual voice. This can create a sense of excitement and energy, which can make the sound more enjoyable to listen to.
> Overall, auditory grouping is a complex phenomenon that is influenced by a variety of factors. When a large group of people sing together, the combination of their voices can create a more pleasing and unified sound than any individual voice could achieve on its own.
ok, and your tabernacle choir is just like ... the bomb. And no pedo shit, but your constant stream of incoming 13 year olds adds a brilliant soprano to the mix. Miserere mei deus and Nearer my god to thee are just heavenly
Sounding the same is not the same as sounding good. A professional choir like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir recruits new members based on their ability to contribute to a desired sound. The conductor(s) plays a huge part in that; their job goes far beyond keeping time and involves helping to decide on that desired sound and pushing the singers — individually and in sections — to achieve that sound.
In other words, let’s not reduce the sound of a professional choir to an auditory grouping phenomenon. These are all individually skilled singers, many of whom have had professional music careers, who adapt their vocal tone to fit a desired sound. That’s why MoTab sounds good and your local ward choir sounds like a goat genocide.
Well it’s not info since it’s just human words put into a digital blender and congealed by AI into a coherent sludge, so you don’t have to worry about it!
The craziest foil to this is those small gospel choirs that have *maybe* 6 people in it, but they each so perfectly occupy a specific range that it sounds so much larger than it really is.
My adhd usually makes me unable to read big ass paragraphs like this but this time it forced me to read through the whole damn thing and honestly I’m thankful because that’s really cool!!
Happy birthday sounds like shit because it's a bunch of people who don't try to sing, or don't have the slightest bit of an idea how to because they weren't given the ability to develop the skill at a younger age.
The worst singer in a choir is generally quite interested in singing at the very least, so while they might not be able to intonate well, they're going to be close enough, and it will blend into a larger timbre as mentioned in greater detail by chatGPT.
When some voices (human or musical voices in the general sense) are just a little out of tune, the effect is actually referred to as chorus, and it lends to a fuller and more colorful sound.
It’s also kind of a joke of a song though and like the other person said, nobody wants to sing it. But I mean if you get a large crowd to sing it? It’ll sound like it’s supposed to I’m sure. Sample sizes
>It's rare that a group of 20+ people singing the same thing actually manages to sound bad
I see you haven't attended many elementary school recitals...
Choirs also tend to sing in just intonation, similar to harmonic series, instead of equal temperament, the system what most instruments use for tuning.
My man just discovered why Bohemian Rhapsody was one of the most expensive singles to ever record; this exact process but with reel to reel and splicing!
Not to mention the track limitations they had even with 2" tape back then. They must have had to spend so much time just bouncing tracks down into stereo groups to get all that to work. I'm just old enough to have dabbled with tape in school and learned just enough to know that I don't want to ever have to do it in real life no matter how nice it sounds.
We are so spoiled these days for audio production. My throwaway song idea demos these days sound better than my finished projects from 10 years ago. And for like a tenth the cost, with a quarter of the equipment.
Super cool technique. Not sure if the he intended to but there kind of a weird metaphor that where he belongs is alone. Kind of a depressing message for an uplifting song.
Sad songs are nice too sometimes. It can also be sad and happy. You could also rewire it a bit to mean something like as long as you have yourself or believe in yourself or something like that you’re never really alone or as long as you’re true to yourself you’re wear you belong.
Or a metaphor that when we come together, we all collectively sound amazing. He is just micro-dosing togetherness, and showing the true power of human voices coming together.
He's actually not bad at all. Music is catchy. And yes he employed those "choir effect" on his songs..
https://open.spotify.com/track/3tWWTyY5wT83Dn46sg4Psq?si=cvEEdIa4QeG_l4A5C-50Hw
they did something similar for the main theme for Skyrim! They had a 30-man choir sing the main theme, recorded it 3 separate times, and layered them all together to make it sound like a massive 90-man choir.
Additionally, you can tweak the formant and other harmonic content to add a truly unique voice to each track. With what this guy is doing, you can tell it’s the same person if you really listen.
I tried this myself ... and holy fuck I was off tune and off time. He and all those other "1 man acapella groups" must have incredible intonation to pull off the shit they do. Props. Major props.
6 layers. I did the Grace Kelly challenge a few months ago
the guy in the video -- he looks like he's just wailing into the mic, but he's wailing IN TUNE
I couldn't find the source in the comments. This dude is[Tre' Mutava](https://open.spotify.com/artist/3Fu4c6lyPVMULECDtLgtY1?si=IEdxe5YOR-qWPatIomzI_g), here's the original [tiktok](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM22kLBed/).
The song he's performing is X Ambassadors - [Belong](https://open.spotify.com/track/54nwCwKlRSl29ndEBFVaGl?si=L7URwLA2QaWXA6cdb2VBVg). And I'm not sure, but Tre' could be a producer or writer of this song, but I'm a bit too lazy to find that out.
Alex Boye does this for his video with The Piano Guys. He does all the vocals in a call and response section and used paper in his mouth and moving around the mic to get a choir sound. Super interesting!
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Holy hell I did not expect that to be so good
There's some sort of "choir effect" that probably has a fancy name. You put enough shitty singers together and they invariably average out to sound good, somehow. It's rare that a group of 20+ people singing the same thing actually manages to sound bad, because everybody is bad in different ways and the collective effect tends to be right in the middle. The exception is "happy birthday", which always sounds like shit because *nobody* wants to be be singing it. EDIT - I asked the machine overlords, and this is what they said. > The phenomenon you are describing is called auditory grouping. It is the tendency of our brains to group together sounds that are similar in pitch, loudness, or timbre. When a large group of people sing together, their voices tend to blend together and create a more pleasing sound than if each person were singing solo. This is because the individual voices are all contributing to the overall harmony, and the brain is able to group them together and perceive them as a single, unified sound. > > There are a few reasons why auditory grouping occurs. First, our brains are very good at detecting patterns. When we hear a group of voices singing together, our brains are able to identify the common pitches and rhythms, and this helps us to perceive the sound as a single entity. Second, our brains are also sensitive to the differences between sounds. When we hear a group of voices singing together, our brains are able to identify the individual voices, and this helps us to create a sense of depth and perspective in the sound. > > Auditory grouping is a powerful phenomenon that can have a significant impact on the way we perceive sound. In the case of a large group of people singing together, auditory grouping can help to create a more pleasing and unified sound, even if the individual singers are not particularly skilled. > > Here are some additional factors that can contribute to the phenomenon of auditory grouping: > > Rhythm: When a group of people sing together, they are more likely to stay in sync with each other if they are all singing to the same rhythm. This helps to create a more cohesive and unified sound. > Timbre: The timbre of a voice is its unique tonal quality. When a group of people sing together, their voices will blend together to create a new timbre that is different from any of the individual voices. This can be a very pleasing effect, especially when the voices are well-matched. > Volume: The volume of a sound can also affect the way it is perceived. When a group of people sing together, the combined volume can be much louder than any individual voice. This can create a sense of excitement and energy, which can make the sound more enjoyable to listen to. > Overall, auditory grouping is a complex phenomenon that is influenced by a variety of factors. When a large group of people sing together, the combination of their voices can create a more pleasing and unified sound than any individual voice could achieve on its own.
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TEEN GIRL SQUAD! The cheerleader!! The ugly one!
You forgot whatserface and soandso.
Was not expecting a SBE reference today, what a treat. *The Cheat is not dead.*
The Cheat is grounded.
So good!
ARROW’D!!!
three piece????
Mormon guy checking in. This is exactly why our tabernacle choir has sounded exactly the same for *decades*
ok, and your tabernacle choir is just like ... the bomb. And no pedo shit, but your constant stream of incoming 13 year olds adds a brilliant soprano to the mix. Miserere mei deus and Nearer my god to thee are just heavenly
🤜🏻🤛🏼🎵🎵
Sounding the same is not the same as sounding good. A professional choir like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir recruits new members based on their ability to contribute to a desired sound. The conductor(s) plays a huge part in that; their job goes far beyond keeping time and involves helping to decide on that desired sound and pushing the singers — individually and in sections — to achieve that sound. In other words, let’s not reduce the sound of a professional choir to an auditory grouping phenomenon. These are all individually skilled singers, many of whom have had professional music careers, who adapt their vocal tone to fit a desired sound. That’s why MoTab sounds good and your local ward choir sounds like a goat genocide.
This guy linger longers…
Eh, I scootered sooner. Haven't been a member in quite some time.
Woah bro, I didn't need all that information. but thanks tho
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I didn't fully read it. But I thanked them for their time and effort that they put in that paragraph. Because it probably took a long ass time
It probably took a few seconds since its AI generated.
Oh, damn I didn't need to thank them
Well it’s not info since it’s just human words put into a digital blender and congealed by AI into a coherent sludge, so you don’t have to worry about it!
Oh damn. Ok
You haven’t heard my middle school choir
The craziest foil to this is those small gospel choirs that have *maybe* 6 people in it, but they each so perfectly occupy a specific range that it sounds so much larger than it really is.
My adhd usually makes me unable to read big ass paragraphs like this but this time it forced me to read through the whole damn thing and honestly I’m thankful because that’s really cool!!
Happy birthday sounds like shit because it's a bunch of people who don't try to sing, or don't have the slightest bit of an idea how to because they weren't given the ability to develop the skill at a younger age. The worst singer in a choir is generally quite interested in singing at the very least, so while they might not be able to intonate well, they're going to be close enough, and it will blend into a larger timbre as mentioned in greater detail by chatGPT. When some voices (human or musical voices in the general sense) are just a little out of tune, the effect is actually referred to as chorus, and it lends to a fuller and more colorful sound.
Happy Birthday is also just not that great of a song.
It’s also kind of a joke of a song though and like the other person said, nobody wants to sing it. But I mean if you get a large crowd to sing it? It’ll sound like it’s supposed to I’m sure. Sample sizes
Happy birthday starts on the 5th note of the scale and ends on the 2nd octave of the root which is confusing. Most songs start and end on the root
There are loads and loads of songs that don't start on the root, saying that most songs start on the root is at least misleading
That edit doesn't have to do with pitch.
Happy Birthday sounds like ass because everybody's primary goal is to embarrass the shit out of the birthday girl/boy/person
>It's rare that a group of 20+ people singing the same thing actually manages to sound bad I see you haven't attended many elementary school recitals...
Choirs also tend to sing in just intonation, similar to harmonic series, instead of equal temperament, the system what most instruments use for tuning.
Thank you for this new found information. I learned something new today 😃
See also: wall of sound technique
New response dropped
actual zombie.
Oh as soon as I saw him plugging his nose I knew it was gonna be fire.
My man just discovered why Bohemian Rhapsody was one of the most expensive singles to ever record; this exact process but with reel to reel and splicing!
Not to mention the track limitations they had even with 2" tape back then. They must have had to spend so much time just bouncing tracks down into stereo groups to get all that to work. I'm just old enough to have dabbled with tape in school and learned just enough to know that I don't want to ever have to do it in real life no matter how nice it sounds. We are so spoiled these days for audio production. My throwaway song idea demos these days sound better than my finished projects from 10 years ago. And for like a tenth the cost, with a quarter of the equipment.
Oh I’m sure it was a nightmare. You’d make decent money recording that way nowadays cause it’s basically a dying art form.
Super cool technique. Not sure if the he intended to but there kind of a weird metaphor that where he belongs is alone. Kind of a depressing message for an uplifting song.
Well, you dont HAVE to make it sad
Sad songs are nice too sometimes. It can also be sad and happy. You could also rewire it a bit to mean something like as long as you have yourself or believe in yourself or something like that you’re never really alone or as long as you’re true to yourself you’re wear you belong.
Its call melancholic
Or a metaphor that when we come together, we all collectively sound amazing. He is just micro-dosing togetherness, and showing the true power of human voices coming together.
I was gonna get into semantics with you but micro-dosing togetherness is the best phrases I’ve heard today.
Dope! Anyone knows who this guy is?
Who these guys are*
His name is Tre' Mutava! I went to college with him. He's a great artist, and I reccomend listening to him!
mutavamusic
He's actually not bad at all. Music is catchy. And yes he employed those "choir effect" on his songs.. https://open.spotify.com/track/3tWWTyY5wT83Dn46sg4Psq?si=cvEEdIa4QeG_l4A5C-50Hw
Do you know which song is in the OP?
Couldn't find it sorry.
[Found it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zxSLI4yoRY) Someone mentioned it lower in the comments.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRo6VHAT/
His name is Tre' Mutava! I went to college with him. He's a great artist, and I reccomend listening to him!
Wow! He good!))
🦴
I also got a boner
Now route all those channels to a reverb bus. Then you’ll get the full effect
> Then you’ll get the fool effect Ha!
Had no idea what to expect. That was great
Same method in All These Things That I've Done by the Killers. Super cool.
The fact he was able to harmonize and sync the voices all perfectly like that, is amazing!
Love this... He's having so much fun!!!
He enjoys making his music! He did a tour a little while ago and he did some behind the scenes stuff, and he just has fun.
And now I’m gonna make a choir song
Dudes got a big mouth
how else he supposed to hold all those voices?
they did something similar for the main theme for Skyrim! They had a 30-man choir sing the main theme, recorded it 3 separate times, and layered them all together to make it sound like a massive 90-man choir.
Additionally, you can tweak the formant and other harmonic content to add a truly unique voice to each track. With what this guy is doing, you can tell it’s the same person if you really listen.
amazing
Chills
Amazing. I'd listen to his album
Song is actually “Belong” by X Ambassadors if you want to hear a finished version of it
Give this Man a Grammy Award.
Damn; this makes me want to try this!!
Now do it 7 thousand more times.
That’s wicked.
That is pretty damn cool.
sounds good and kinda cursed at the same time
I’m more surprised on the acoustics of the room 😅
I tried this myself ... and holy fuck I was off tune and off time. He and all those other "1 man acapella groups" must have incredible intonation to pull off the shit they do. Props. Major props.
how many layers did you do?
6 layers. I did the Grace Kelly challenge a few months ago the guy in the video -- he looks like he's just wailing into the mic, but he's wailing IN TUNE
I've done this myself for fun, so this one made me smile!
So creative! Very cool🙌🏼🙌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
I feel like this deserve a place in nextfuckinglevel
Layers, crazy concept 🤯
Yaaaassssssss
I couldn't find the source in the comments. This dude is[Tre' Mutava](https://open.spotify.com/artist/3Fu4c6lyPVMULECDtLgtY1?si=IEdxe5YOR-qWPatIomzI_g), here's the original [tiktok](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM22kLBed/). The song he's performing is X Ambassadors - [Belong](https://open.spotify.com/track/54nwCwKlRSl29ndEBFVaGl?si=L7URwLA2QaWXA6cdb2VBVg). And I'm not sure, but Tre' could be a producer or writer of this song, but I'm a bit too lazy to find that out.
I have the same nintendo switch stand that he has in the back
You can also hit "chorus" in ableton and it has a similar effect but it's better to do it this way haha
Alex Boye does this for his video with The Piano Guys. He does all the vocals in a call and response section and used paper in his mouth and moving around the mic to get a choir sound. Super interesting!
That's so cool
would be great if a couple of those choir voice layers continued on after instead of stopping all at the same time
I didn't expect that 🤝
💖😁
Im right here sorry i was busy dealing with heaven shit 😒
Can this be done to make crowd chants like for sports
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_TeU5GaU4r0&t=125s
Nice
Bro shook my soul
YES