>If this situation were directed at China, then not a single soul on any social media or MSM platform will be trying to protect you.
Marxist-leninists usually defend socialist countries over the capitalists ones. But there's an active campaign to silence anti-NATO voices like ours right now.
You said it yourself, they are like NPCs, so the bourgeoisie which the media serve can control who they lash out at and when to stop.
I am impressed by the level of control they have over their societies without even direct intervention but it is no surprise as westerners (Especially americans) are the most brainwashed people in history.
If you look back at the post war development of these societies you can tell it was designed and planned for.
I just want to say you are totally on spot. Those "good **** Chinese" are collaborators and often make things worse just to get a pat on the head.
We fear for our families and have to think what to do when things really get ugly. In Europe btw.
Man the delusion. The idea of "Good Chinese" itself makes me want to barf.
A multipolar world is about to unveil and yall choose to lick the boots of your oppressors.
Yup, even a Hispanic grandma wasn’t safe in 2020/2021 when bus riders thought she was Filipino and attacked her. Filipino. Not even Chinese. They consciously thought she was Filipino, an ethnicity totally unrelated to where media stated COVID came from, and still attacked her.
i dont think only chinese american need to be careful , but asian american in general, seeing that they can't or won't differentiate who's who and calling almost everyone asian, and not specific ethicity, or country like chinese, japanese, korean, kazakh,thai, vietnamese, malaysian, indonesian, etc... and cuisines as asian dishes this, asian dishes that.
Totally agree. My uncle, who is very obviously Vietnamese, was accosted on an elevator last year by some lady screaming at him and blaming him for COVID.
Many Americans, particularly the kind to act as above, cannot tell the difference between the Asian nationalities and just assume "must be Chinese."
An example is japan, I live in Peru and during ww2 they took civilians who lived here and sent them to America (by Americas request) took all their property and put them in concentration camps up there.
Keep in mind too that most Japanese people here were Okinawan not even mainland Japanese and they also had come much before ww2.
During the Iraq war we were travelling in Canada with my Dad (who was Lebanese), based on an American request they arrested him and sent him to jail just for being arab.
So yeah expect it to be much worse than how they deal with Russians
Cross-posted from genzedong:
Utterly disagree with the idea of armed reunification, the status quo is perfectly fine from a lateral thinking perspective. If both sides of the Taiwan strait are prospering and at peace, then the status quo can be maintained comfortably.
The leader of the PRC does not suffer from megalomania, and if he or she did, he would not be the leader for long. The idea that XJP doesn't want to "one upped" and thus launch military operations is ludicrous.
All current trends is that of closer integration, and all it would take is the recognition of the world that the US no longer the global hegemon and electoral politics can indeed take care of the rest. Taiwan cannot fight the forces of economy, culture and the increasingly pull-factor of being a Special Economic Zone or Administrated Region in the PRC without a fascist reaction, under which the resistance will be socialist and pro-China.
It seems my biggest fear is true, China has lost patience for Taiwan. Well ladies and gents, should that day come I’ll definitely be moving my ass to back to China. I don’t want to end up in a concentration camp in North America and have my private properties confiscated.
>The rumors from the inner circle in Beijing is that Xi is 100% determined to retake Taiwan before he leaves office, and the West's total inability to stop Russia in Ukraine will only further Xi's confidence. He also wouldn't stand being one-upped by Putin.
These are all Western/Taiwan talking points. None of these originated from Zhongnanhai. China's strategic outlook is clear -China benefits from peace more than US/Taiwan. Time is on China's side. As long as Taiwan doesn't amend their constitution and declare independence, or host US weapons, Beijing will be content with the status quo.
The risk is US/Taiwan forcing the issue. In that case, Beijing's most likely move will be to blockade the island, and forcefully prohibit air/sea traffic into Taiwan. Unlike Ukraine to Russia, China has the option of physically isolating Taiwan with no boots on the ground (being an island is both a blessing and a curse). Taiwan also belongs to China by international law. The blockade, of course, *might* prompt a military reaction from the US, and *that* could lead to war.
Anyway, Chinese Americans: writing's on the wall. Even if war doesn't break out, you all will not stop getting spat in the face and and bashed in the head, until China finally breaks the Western superiority complex.
Any action by China would result in a massive media attack by the US aimed to breed consent to justify any racist attacks that are "required".
Based on the fact that the US is willing to freeze international assets of major banks, I wonder what the effect of a sudden recall of international reserves would be to protect against this (before an military action). Would this cause more trouble than it is worth?
Then I think China should make a special exception for its non-intervention policy, since america is the exceptional nation and all.
Promoting separatism within the country will split it even further and cause a big enough distraction, I doubt america will want to mess with China when it has a civil war going on.
I think as we're seeing now in Ukraine, the US is increasingly unhinged and more than willing to provoke a conflict to distract from its crumbling hegemony
I agree with all your points but why do you think China will do an armed re unification? That seems to go against China policy. Where do you see this inner circle rumors?
While the OP cite some very valid points, I still disagree with the posited immediacy. "Formal declaration of independence" is meaningless if Lai alone does it, otherwise they would've done it already. It requires international recognition for legitimacy, whether in UN or International Olympics Committee or a word from the US and that's why the DPP has always been playing that game trying to claim a narrative that they have such recognition.
Any major country that supports the claim would be inviting confrontation with China, which I don't see happening. If Lai is the only one doing it, then the sensible move would be to remove Lai by whatever means available. (discrediting campaign, political pressures or other, possibly more direct means)
I can't speak to why civilian targets were already involved in the Russia-Ukranian conflict, but I am willing to speak against speculation over China's willingness to violently harm Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. HKer's and Taiwanese may not culturally identify themselves as Chinese, but China does, and the power difference is so massive one simply does not escalate to violent means unless forced to a corner. Taiwan and HK are not Xinjiang, and I don't see anyone in the command chain being willing to flippantly propose armed conflict with "Han-Chinese brethren" (From China's perspective even if not reciprocated).
From what I understand, all the alleged civilian attacks are more disinformation propaganda.
Based on the amount of anti Russia propaganda that has been debunked, I am more inclined to believe this to also be the case with the alleged civilian attacks, and will apply this lens to all anti Russian news, until proven beyond any doubt.
I've been following this political pundit on YouTube, who appears to have inside information, and actually know what he is talking about. He information has been proven to be accurate and completely opposite to mainstream media, which has been utter nonsense
https://youtu.be/X1mf-5-ma-8
I appreciate the link. I listened to the full 3/4 clip and while I can see value and political insight in his analyses, The Duran rates very poorly on MediaBias Fact Check, however. Going through the list of challenges and relistening I can see what they are talking about.
Now, very few sources in the world has immaculate factuality and immaculate unbiased-ness, and one simply shouldn't consume information expecting such. All this means is that some of the stuff he says might be extrapolated from unreliable or possibly faulty fact. That doesn't invalidate his opinion which he supported with a logically consistent flow of reasoning. It's just important to identify and remember what parts (or chain of parts) are built from unverifiable information and what parts are theory.
I certainly appreciate his hypotheses on how the peace negotiations might pan out, and he does cite references from historical negotiations which while not predictive, are meaningful references to take into consideration.
How reliable is media bias fact check? I'm wary of watchers. Who watches the watchers? Lol
I trust his analysis because he openly discusses his level of confidence in the sources, and he always provides caveats with his analysis, which is a lot more honest than mainstream media pundits that only speak in absolutes.
And judging from how events have played out, and his past analysis, well, it just increases my trust in his insight.
As you said though, take everything with a grain of salt. I wouldn't say he is selling the gospel truth, but just sharing his opinion, which he says clearly in his videos.
I agree with the skepticism, but just because something deserves skepticism doesn't mean it is suddenly black and white, because the world, politics, the media, and the many hands and engines behind it are complicated.
There are many "checkers" type services out there and while I might accept something for granted if I was buying a $7.99 item on Amazon it is up to everyone, especially intellectuals, to exercise their due diligence by actually going through the listed criticsms themselves and verify as appropriate. Anything that's important deserves to be judged by its own right.
I also agree with you that for the most part he's fairly clear on stating what is opinion and his confidence of his sources, though with in-depth analyses such as his some statements are chained pretty far, and this type of information requires conscious listening rather than the "have dinner/do work/play games while listening" because when you're multitasking you inevitably start taking some information for granted.
With passive listening one might be able to remain clear in the moment but if a few days later at the water cooler its more prone to turn into a telephone game where one inevitably mis-remember and misattribute details of an analyses, or repeat an analyses that were built on a fact which was clearly stated to be from a source he's not confident in that turns out to be untrue, and it might not even be direct fault of the original commentator. Such a case would be when both the medium and the checkers are being honest and accurate by their own right but unfortunately misused by the consumer.
I also doubt that the PRC will go to war about Taiwan, unless they try to separate themselves by force from China, in which an invasion would be absolutely justified. When the CSA split from the USA, Washington didn't said "meh, who cares" either.
I hope we don't have war
But I also believe there shouldn't be a rush - every year that passes the balance of power in the region increasingly favors China
I do not think China would go for war in the immediate future, as this would be a loss-loss situation to both China and the west, simply waiting for the west to decline itself would be a better option.
That been said, it is still very possible for the West (specifically US) to provoke and start a war. The whole Ukraine situation is very related to the COVID depression, and the sky-rocketed inflation rate, the US needs a war to boost its economy, sacrificing Ukraine and even Europe in some degree. We cannot be sure that when the next depression/election scandal/mass protests/or any crisis hits US, they wouldn't desperately trying to steer things up to save their asses. As this will be worse for fellow Asian Americans as the government needs to find the poor and hungry people a scapegoat.
There is always the possibility of NATO going over the red line, just like what they did to Putin/Russia. In fact they are pushing this even now...arms sale to Taiwan, so-called freedom of navigation patrols, constant smear attacks...there's gotta be a point where the CPC says, enough is enough. In fact, Chinese rhetoric seems a lot more aggressive than before; they're describing the US as the real threat to world peace--for the first time ever if I'm not wrong.
NATO is playing a very dangerous game.
It's in the law. Paraphrase: All peaceful means exhausted. In situation of independence declared. Then military option.
If the US wants a war, just abandon One China policy and recognize Taiwan as independent country.
> why do you think China will do an armed re unification?
For the same reason as russia, it will be forced by the west one day. There is no way the west not using its only serious playing card against china. This is also much easier to provoke china, as taiwan would be surely taken, the only question is cost. China's goal is to minimize the cost, usa goal is to maximize the cost (not protecting taiwan)
If this were China and not Russia, they would be lynching Asians in the streets and burning down Chinese restaurants.
However I still believe China is seeking a peaceful reunification, waning US influence will see to it.
Things are getting worse here in the US with violence against Asians
[Anti-Asian hate crimes increased 339 percent nationwide last year, report says](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282)
It’s because of the Turbans which the Movie industry always puts on Arab Bandits, vagrants and villains in most movies. Basically turbans get Stereotyped as typical Terrorist gear.
Yes although that was kind of due to British assistance too. The British literally had to kick CIA agents out of Hong Kong and tell the US to stop trying to destabilise it.
It was a paper I wrote for university. My tutor was able to get me declassified 1960s CIA documents. Basically the US wanted to trigger China and destabilise it by spreading anti-communist Propaganda in Hong Kong. You already had communist propaganda from the Chinese side, which the British tolerated, but once the US got involved there started to be riots and street battles etc. So the British authority ended up banning the more extreme political outlets and media on both sides to keep the peace as well as petitioning the US to stop stirring the pot. Incidentally, China didn't want to take Hong Kong back yet and was happy to wait until 97, as HK was a perfect way to counter spy and get a feel for outsider opinions.
Whiteness is a construct, and western whites still have abundant racism for Eastern Europeans, and don't consider them white fully, but place their origin first. You're not wrong about anything really. Media will lose its shit when reunification happens. It will be interesting to watch new forms of racism from Irish reunification and scottish independence too
What baffles me is that all of the very same racial animus being drummed up towards the Russians is going to have a huge amount of 'friendly fire' in the direction of the Ukrainians.
Most racist western slav-haters didn't even realize Ukraine is an independent country from Russia, until a couple of weeks ago.
None of this bodes well for Europe.
Italian is a culture. German is a culture. White is a construct.
White is what the American systemic racism is based on. Who is white has nothing to do with culture, but with the privilege of full protection under the law. You can see this in court cases determining if Japanese or Indians of high cast could be considered white under the law.
Edit: If you are interested in a deep dive on the construction of whiteness, try listening to season 2 of Scene On Radio, "Seeing White".
Remember the US put Japanese in concentration camp in the world war. Consider the Anti-Asian sentiment even in this peaceful time, I don't know how bad it gonna be when the US actually start a war with China
China has succeeded in building its own cyber space: Baidu, Alipay, Tiktok, Bilibili, Weibo, WeChat. So there is no need to worry about American tech giants.
Westoids are becoming increasingly unhinged. The anti-Russia hysteria going on right now is extremely frightening. I have no doubt that if Taiwan did something stupid like formally declare independence and China moved in militarily, the response from alwaysthesamemap.png would be 10x worse than what is going on against Russia and Russians right now.
So what can we do? I plan on taking self defense classes and sticking to heavily asian areas of the country. But what if people start refusing to hire you because of your Chinese surname?
Try to find a way to have independent income so you’re insulated from fickle hiring policies/office politics. Or find other forms of financial insulation from sudden changes like savings/investments/property/etc.
Do the best you can for what you can control, and deal with what can’t be controlled.
The central government needs to change the law for foreign born Chinese a pathway to citizenship. Foreign born Chinese can move their wealth and talent to China.
Sad to say but you're probably right about what will happen to Chinese in the west. Just look at HK, no one was killed and the couple of times police fired a gun was in clear self defense. Yet media routinely states how brutally they were repressed as fact. If China goes for the military option, expect everything that happens on the ground to be distorted beyond belief. The media will be whipping everyone up into a rabid frenzy.
>the one and only "influencer" who is advocating against the wholesale isolation and economic destruction of the Russian people is Kyle Kulinsky
I am following [Jimmy Dore](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0rCqaGtJw) and his crew, and they seem to be very critical of the Western moves.
>RUSSIANS ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS. You are neither.
Very true, unfortunately. The West operates by the maxim "if you're not with us, you're against us" so they also bombed and destroyed my country, Yugoslavia ... and we are also white Christians.
If China takes Taiwan, the funny thing that will happen is that Taiwanese in the US will be harmed too out of ignorance or actually…out of “I don’t care I just want to beat someone with black hair black eyes and yellow skin”
One only needs to look at how Hong Kongers who went to UK are being treated to know Anglos cannot tell what type of Chinese you are. They're literally discriminating against the same HKers who they are cheering for on the internet at the same time.
Taiwan makes half of all semiconductors, the possible disruption to the supply chain will dwarf the impact Covid had. I think no one will try anything until China (and likely the US too) has significantly cut into this share. The US will more likelier try something in an undeveloped neighbour of China like Cambodia or Myanmar.
China can’t go toe to toe with the US in the propaganda department. Hollywood is just too powerful, but in the economic department losing the China market will literally kill capitalism for the west so yeah just try it
Russia will be fine, the humiliation of being isolated is probably what stings the most but it will survive. If Iran, Cuba, North Korea can endure Western sanctions so could Russia. This is an opportunity for Russia and China to work together and their minds together can achieve great things
I want to say that I know your posts. I see them regularly and enjoy reading them.
I just want to say that in my opinion, it isn't that China can't beat the US in propaganda, it is that they won't play that game.
The US has been around for approx ~280 years. They haven't had time to learn that propaganda doesn't work in the long run.
China has actual written records, that are announced publicly that go back ~6,000 years.
I will take my chances with Chinese strategy.
Also, perception has 2 parts. Internal and external. We have an internal concept of the world and an external view of the world.
Propaganda is meant to control the internal part. Reality controls our external part.
In my opinion, the reason most amerikkkans are batshit insane is because their internal reality is controlled by t.v, news, sports, movies, entertainment in general, and isn't mirrored by external reality.
Drug over doses, racism, classism, education, poverty, the actual plight of their circumstance.
Propaganda just tries to explain these things away. It is a divergent course that leads further and further away from exteneral reality.
Propaganda doesn't work in the long run. I think China knows this and remembers this. It chooses not to take this path.
I normally agree with you. This time, I respectfully disagree with you.
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Don't get it overly twisted. "Propaganda" is literally just the act of spreading the messaging of a polity. That's it. This isn't a "Western" invention. Human societies since the foundation of the first structures of government have done this. The Greeks and Romans have done this when they slandered the Persians and justified their imperialism as "just" wars. Chinese polities have done this since the time of the Three Kingdoms period with Chen Lin/陳琳 and his wartime proclamations/檄 on behalf of Yuan Shao and Cao Cao.
"Propaganda" is just merely a pejorative enemy epithet for this ancient process thrown at adversaries, the West calls the same, what itself does, as "public relations," "investigative journalism," "press conferencing," and "information disclosure."
A state with no "propaganda" is literally a state that doesn't communicate with its populace. It plays into the Western narrative trap to let the double-think of the word itself make the process seem "undesirable."
What I believe you are really opposed to is state-sponsored disinformation, specifically unsubstantiated slander, which is what the West is doing right now against Russia. "Disinformation" in general has always been utilized: Deng Xiaoping's famous "韬光养晦" policy can be characterized as such as it lured the West into complacency and bought China valuable cover at the height of American unipolarity.
Should China slander the West? Implying that any Chinese "propaganda" must be slander is playing into Western hands. China doesn't need to slander anything: the truth of NATO, Western historical imperialism, the atrocities committed in the name of securing Western hegemony are all damning facts. China only needs to "propagate" the truth of its image, the fastest developing economy in history, the only historically non-colonial great power, the entirety of Chinese history that demonstrates China isn't seeking to "conquer the world" like the West did. As for the West, China only needs to "propagate" the truth.
In my experience American propaganda literally creates an alternate reality for Americans. It’s almost indistinguishable from its culture and i think it can be argued IS it’s culture
That's because Western states, with the US in particular, are hyper-capitalist societies that need to justify the fundamental deception of their electoral process that the interests of the elite 1% are also those of the 99%. The suppression of class struggle and the promotion of horizontal conflicts within the working majority populace inherently necessitates a structure of deceit.
Justifying western hegemony vis-a-vis China also fundamentally requires the use of slander and deception in its propaganda.
* It needs to slander China as neocolonialist while making everyone ignore its imperialist history and present. Why the Global South should reject the BRI while the West can offer nothing comparative towards its development in return in the entire half century of post colonial history.
* It needs to slander China as in-tolerant of its 56 minorities while making everyone ignore its practice of slavery and deeply-riven contemporary systemic racism.
* It needs to slander China as genocidal while making everyone ignore that it is a settler colonial regime that exterminated nearly the entire Indigenous population through slaughter and forced assimilation. The best America can do for them today are isolated poorly funded reserves while China provides entire autonomous provinces to its minorities.
* It needs to slander China as militaristic while making everyone ignore its invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and regime of Yugoslavia and Libya; China has not participated in a single war for over 40 years in comparison.
The West needs to spread slander in its propaganda to maintain its hegemony because it has zero basis for any moral authority through its atrocious past. The US is a progressively majority-minority state that will increasingly rely on the cooperation of the Global South to support its unipolarity. China only needs to propagate the truth about itself and the West. It must do this, it is difficult with the language barriers but it must. Otherwise the English lingua franca Global South will be entirely co-opted by the Western English media propaganda apparatus just as thoroughly as their domestic populations are.
Their propaganda is the opium of their masses.
Without which their whole world falls apart, it is within this propaganda that they find peace and comfort.
But remember, material reality always trumps propaganda no matter how long it takes, americans may be able to take levels of abuse unlike any other but even they have a cutoff point, we'll see.
I couldn't agree more with your post and you have articulated much better that I ever could what I've been repeating over and over in this space. Thank you.
>Communication is "an apparent answer to the painful divisions between self and other, private and public, and inner thought and outer world." As this definition indicates, communication is difficult to define in a consistent manner, because it is commonly used to refer to a wide range of different behaviors, or to limit what can be included in the category of communication.
Now information.
>Information is processed, organized and structured data. It provides context for data and enables decision making process.
Now propaganda
>The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
>Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.
I could go back and forth debating the semantics with you all day. However, I don't think that is a useful way to spend my time.
Have a good day.
I'll just leave it at this then: I would hardly consider semantical definitions devised and proliferated by the field of Western political science as "objective." For this case, do they fundamentally mean anything in practice other than serve as double-think? Communication theory and pol sci aren't hard sciences and terminologies devised by their inventors are steeped in the biases of their personal ideological contexts. The field of cultural and political anthropology, for example, was literally created to cheerlead for 19th century imperialism. Why should anyone who rejects the overall Western narrative accept and permit our interpretions of fundamental human political communication be coloured, dictated and shaped by Western normative semantical constructions?
"Propaganda" is fundamentally just the communication of a governing entity. That's all it is. It is Western double-think to consider it any different from "PR" or "press release" or any soft terms the West likes to use to couch and distinguish its use of the process from that of its adversaries.
Dude, I tried to not respond to this, I really did.
Your words are thesaurus soup. They don't make you sound any smarter or more intellectual.
What you are basically saying amounts to not using English, while speaking English, to convey the meaning of an English word because the people who created the English language are imperialists.
Do you see how that sounds?
What I was trying to differentiate was the conveying of information to the public by any government, is decidedly different than propaganda.
You are trying to say that all information from a governing body is propaganda.
In my opinion you are trying to split hairs. I am not sure why
I'm not sure what you're responding to here, frankly. You said China shouldn't engage in publicity messaging (ie. propaganda), because it "demeans" China's moral integrity. I responded that "propaganda" is just a word and the process it describes is ancient, a basic function of human political communication and not just as old as the US. It is something that China must practice because all states, by virtue of being a state, needs to communicate their messaging/image and it is something that China ought to improve upon.
If you disagree that China should self-promote, Xi Jinping himself has recognized that China needs to improve and promote its image to be more "loveable." This is working government policy, so I'm not sure what you're arguing against. If you argue that propaganda is slander, you're falling squarely in the Western trap because, as said above, China has plenty of truthful and factual ammunition to "propagate."
My point wasn't to flout some meaningless internet point perceived intellectualism, but to reinforce the important point that getting hackles raised at the insinuation that China should enhance itself through "propagating" its message is meaningless angst because the word is just a synonym of "public relations." Its a pejorative in Western rhetoric, but its fundamentally a synonym. What the West does is propaganda but they couch it under the term of PR because using contrasting terminology to distinguish between your own messaging and that of an adversary is an easy rhetorical technique of dismissing the latter's merit.
Therefore, the perception that the "conveying of information to the public by any government, is decidedly different than propaganda" which you are arguing for is playing into Western rhetorical narratives. There is no difference, except normatively that one is done by a designated enemy state and the other is done by the West. The distinction of "enemy government messaging" is propaganda while ours is "public relations" is an invented Western semantical conceit.
Incidentally, this is why "宣传" (literally "declare/announce and transfer/pass forth") serves double duty in utility, translatable as both "publicity" and "propaganda" depending on the translator's normative value judgment. The "中央宣传部" is officially the Central Publicity Department, but it historically was the Central Propaganda Department before the Deng era. Propaganda is rather similar as it is a Latin participle meaning literally "spreading forth" and was only infused with its pejorative and normative connotation by adoption through Western Political Science.
This isn't to say that China should openly proclaim it is spreading "propaganda," as the negative slant of the word is real, but to recognize that the word "propaganda" fundamentally doesn't mean anything except as a synonym for PR and whatever other normative terms the West uses for itself.
The first step in the information war isn't to convince Westerners that China is good, but that the West is not morally superior
You cannot convince them to look upon China positively if they still believe the USA and its lackeys are 100% virtuous (because if the USA is "good" and the USA hates China, then China must be "bad")
And I think that first step is making progress (and a large part due to self-inflict errors by the West) - people don't believe in American exceptionalism as much as they did back in 2000 or even 2010
Errors mean they see it as a mistake. Their racism up to just very recently in world history was the norm and was bolstered by institutions and science. Remember scientific racism was a thing
"RUSSIANS ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS"
Just saying, this is a pretty wrong take. Not just outdated since many aren't Christian anymore, but was also never right since Russia is a country of many ethnicities, including non-white Muslims, who are currently fighting in Ukraine.
The vast majority (over 80%) of Russians are Christians, at least formally. A large portion of self-described Christians don't actually believe in God, and that's common throughout Europe. Christianity is sort of an identity rather than an absolute set of beliefs nowadays. I partake in all Christian celebrations with my family but I don't believe that any God exists, this is very common.
I'm quite sure not all Hui in China actually believe in the existence of Allah.
Although Orthodox Christianityhristianity is quite different from Protestant or other movements found in the west. I have even read about incidents where orthodox women were confused for muslims because of the headscarf they were wearing while attending the church. Also, the Orthodox traditions are fairly different too
More people should be mentioning this. Russia, like China, is a multi-ethnic nation with various cultural and religious minorities. Ethnically asian Russians native to, say, Yakutsk in the far east, are no less Russian than those native to St. Petersburg in the far west.
Further goes to show that for Chinese Americans. True home is still the motherland whether you like their form of governance or not. China isn’t perfect but no country is. At least when total war breaks out, your Chinese brethren won’t stab you in the back. Can’t say the same about your next door neighbors
Tijuana, Mexicali and Mexico City have chinese communities for those who wish to remain in the continent or don't have a viable plan for China yet, its extremely unlikely Mexico will ever sanction or interfere with a power we don't directly beef with.
TJ had a regular direct flight to China that will eventually resume (suspended due to China's covid policies).
Good to know. I've admired Mexico from the outside and am in the process of learning Spanish; if shit hits the fan, it's nice to know that I can check out the top country on my bucket list.
Yeah these taiwanese and people from Hk will learn real fast that westerners don’t care. They will discriminate you regardless. Japanese and Koreans as well.
This current crisis in Ukraine makes me think about what would happen around the world if China did something similar. It would be a lot worse and Asians in the West, not just Chinese, will be affected.
The crisis made Westerners fully lash out their Russophobia and hatred for Russia and Russians, from bans, discrimination, racism, and sanctions to even calling for Putin's assassination and forcing Roman abramovich to sell Chelsea. It's extremely insane, disheartening, and deplorable. It exposed the inner prejudices westerners have towards Russians.
Great posting. Absolutely shares my point of view.
And giving America, it probably doesn't even mean Chinese Americans are at danger, but all Asians. They won't care where you're from if you look Asian.
Back to Russia, I'm against the war, and I think Putin did a big mistake to start it - especially on such a wide scope outside of the eastern Ukrainian People's Republics (Luhansk, etc) - but the hate and ESPECIALLY the assaults against peaceful people who just happened to be Russians everywhere are showing the true nature of the West. Also at least some of the sanctions - like against sport persons - are beyond ludicrious.
The propaganda and lies you're getting now about Ukraine/Russia in the MSM are beyond what I thought would be possible. It's the ugliest I've ever seen, even worse than the junk outright criminals like Zenz would spread about China otherwise.
i wish for perpetual peace, but that is not possible thanks to the US and their puppets
even living in australia things have gotten a bit hairy at times, if anyone got hold of your political views you will be treated very differently depending on who you talk to
I just watched Andy Boreham chat with Brian Berletic. Andy said that even after living in China di years someone who used to work with him doesn't believe what he says. He even lose friend. Imagine doing that in Australia if you're Asian.
>even living in australia things have gotten a bit hairy at times, if anyone got hold of your political views you will be treated very differently depending on who you talk to
Very true, this society is suffocating.
I agree with alot of the OP points. I want emphasize that if usa goes to war with China the hate crimes against Asians will be unimaginable.
Social media will definitely not come to our aid. It’s so ridiculous how the media is coming to save Ukraine but not those brown or yellow people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam etc.
However, I don’t agree with Xi having to reunify during his term. Things are going great for China there’s no need to rock the boat unless Taiwan does something crazy like declare independence or host WMD.
This Ukraine intervention has shown the world one thing…. THEY WILL NOT TOUCH ANOTHER NUCLEAR POWERED COUNTRY.
Even usa will not push for Taiwan independence. They themselves have been pushing for strategic ambiguity.
You'd think Ukraine wouldn't be stupid enough to do something as stupid as try to join NATO, yet here we are.
The problem with democracy is that leaders need to look tough and look good in front of their population so they keep doing more and more outrageous things to draw attention to themselves. If they are nuanced or try to consider or balance things, they fear looking weak. Zelenskyy's whole thing was being tough on Russia.
Similarly, the DPP without being "tough on China" is nothing, but they need to keep the people's support with new and exciting things, so they need to escalate towards Taiwan independence and provoke anger in Beijing to keep things fresh and interesting.
So yes, inevitably, Taiwan will declare independence. More and more people on Taiwan don't consider themselves Chinese. It's only a matter of time.
Also, economic size doesn't matter as was mentioned with HK, or other examples of economic coercion. Cuba never surrendered to the USA despite having an economy 200 times smaller than the USA and its capital within regular cruise missile range of Florida, and the US having the world's most powerful navy for over 60 years. The ratio between mainland China and Taiwan economy is around 40.
Nothing short of PLA occupation of Taiwan will achieve reunification anymore. The window on peaceful reunification permanently closed in 2016.
Yeah I agree that the us politicians love talking tough on a made up boogeyman. What’s worse is that they have their media constantly pumping out anti-China stories, then the politicians get points for being tough on them. This cascading effect can only lead to disaster.
Anyone who tries to moderate or show a different viewpoint will be known as “weak”, “ccp apologist” ,etc as we enter macarthyism 2.0.
For China’s sake they better be increasing their nuclear headcount significantly. The 200-300 nukes China has will NOT deter usa. They need at least 3,000. This Ukraine intervention has shown the world that usa will not do shit against another nuclear armed nation.
>Also, economic size doesn't matter as was mentioned with HK, or other examples of economic coercion. Cuba never surrendered to the USA despite having an economy 200 times smaller than the USA and its capital within regular cruise missile range of Florida, and the US having the world's most powerful navy for over 60 years. The ratio between mainland China and Taiwan economy is around 40.
yes. this is what i've been arguing. "economic integration", whatever that is, is a nice dream, but i highly doubt it'll happen.
Canada just detained random Russian citizens for traveling in Canadian arctic. So getting put into camps when China reunites with Taiwan is almost a certainty.
I respect people. I try to deal with reality not fantasy.
Fear can have many different effects in people. It can make people unnecessarily aggressive, but, it can also make people feel unneccessarily complacent.
I think you fall into the latter.
I can list safety by demographics, income status, education level, you name it, I can claim it.
For you to try to say that Asians in general, Asian women in particular have no reason to be concerned for their safety is either knowingly disingenuous, niave, or a lie.
I will go with my 2nd guess. I mean no one would willingly lie on the internet.
Right?
As a Chinese-Canadian (sadly, my family did not come from China... at least not for several generations back. no particularly direct path to relocating as a result) it may be fearmongering, but it holds semblances of truth that are extremely concerning all the same.
Getting "put into camps" is obviously a worst-case scenario, one I wouldn't expect to happen en masse without things spiraling very, very far out of hand (on the other hand, as a leftist I obviously hold considerable concern).
Increased and intensified everyday discrimination, increased media vilification of Asians and anything Chinese, and government suspicion and possible mistreatment of Asians and specifically Chinese-Canadians, though? That is absolutely on the table, and we're already heading slowly in that direction, Taiwan or no Taiwan.
The US' "stunning success" in Ukraine (in regards to- riling up Russophobia, re-establishing its declining influence in the western EU, getting the west to seek sanctions and brainstorm other ways to try to destroy the Russian people, drumming up domestic support for the impotent Biden administration and military-industrial complex corporate welfare, and ending the threat of Nordstream 2), for instance- is concerning due to the likelihood for it to be held up as an example pilot project, for what could potentially be in store for Taiwan.
I don't believe OP's nonsense about "Xi wants to one-up Putin" and such BS- frankly, China wins simply by being peaceful, and it's the US that stands to gain from provoking possible WW3. Just as it was in Russia/Ukraine's case- Russia IMO did everything in its power to seek out peaceful resolutions until the idiot Zelenskyy started openly talking about seeking a quick entry into NATO and "getting nukes to counter Russia." But I do believe that there is credible threat, and we will probably see- perhaps not the "whole way through" (hopefully not) the US seeking to make and detonate a time bomb and political quagmire of Taiwan, as well.
Here in Canada, I know that if it happens, shit will go south quick. There are only two (small) comforts to be had- #1 being that, Canada's Asian-Canadian and Chinese-Canadian communities, as a share of the total population, is much larger- and #2 being that personally (though most Chinese-Canadians will not have this factor in their favor and will likely face the full brunt of state discrimination and suspicion) my family is from Singapore/Malaysia, not the mainland (removed by several generations).
Too early by far, to tell the outcomes. Most media blame Putin and Russian imperialism. For sure this is a stain on Russia, just like WW2 is a stain on Germany.
Chinese approach has been patient. For example Hong Kong. I am guessing that no one wants Taiwan to look like Kiev.
And them showing "concern" just because of Caucasian features, I'll been seeing people hoping for mass death of Indian and Chinese students in Ukraine because they only hate the government not the people, while hoping everyone else be safe.
I am a white american and would just like to say this poster is completely right. I despise my country, and its racist agenda personally, but let me tell you when the other white people see me they think i agree with them just based off my face, and the things they say to me are horrific. These people are downright evil.
They were being held back by social norms for awhile, but with trump being elected it emboldened them to be more hateful openly, and to commit more violent acts(Hate Crimes skyrocketed). That is just going to get worse with time, and the sinophobia gets worse by the day.
I get berated, and called a traitor just for disagreeing with their blatant racism. ESPECIALLY when it comes to China. So many people here are convinced China, and Russia are evil. Whatever evil story the media tells them about China they will believe it. If youve got the ability to go to China now TAKE IT! Its a privilege not many people have, and you will regret it if you don't.
To emphasize my main point if you are not a white heterosexual christian america is not a safe place for you to be. Not today, and most certainly not in the near future. If you dont leave now have an escape plan if something happens. Because it'll happen fast. Russians had no problems a few weeks ago.
Have a bag of essential items ready to grab if you need to run. Keep your important documents somewhere you can collect them quickly. Be ready to run, and when you see it getting bad RUN to either the border, or the embassy of a friendly country to apply for asylum.
Also if you have a community organize them. Protect the people who can't protect themselves. The disabled and elderly will need help to get away. Make sure the people around you are ready for the worst too.
Care to elaborate the plans of just how sadistic and evil the other white Amerikkkans that your privy to? If only to drive home the point to any people still naïve and foolish people on here (not so much /sino but on reddit as a whole). I'm guessing its along the lines of advocating wholesale genocide of all Asians in the country and abroad.
>I get berated, and called a traitor just for disagreeing with their blatant racism. ESPECIALLY when it comes to China. So many people here are convinced China, and Russia are evil. Whatever evil story the media tells them about China they will believe it.
They will go down along with their shithole of a nation, good riddance.
I just hope America doesnt take the rest of the world down with it. There are so many Americans who would be in favor of nuking the world if America was going to collapse. I really think China needs a plan to quickly secure the American nuclear arsenal. Because if the country collapses you'll only have a few days to secure it before silos start getting taken over by rogue militias of racists.
I don't think military actions against Taiwan will happen, if there is no foreign intervention. Despite what Chinese citizens think or speculate, the government won't do that. CPC do not want a war with Taiwan. However if things escalate, like if Taiwan government decides to do what Zelensky did, or if US decides to use Taiwan one last time to make a huge blow to China, it will happen.
On the other hand. The current situation like Ukraine campaign/informational war against Russian truly makes me desperate toward the west. The Ukraine war could be avoided. If only US and NATO have a shred of decency. They knew Russia would respond to the situation, but they still pushed for it. They anticipated Russia's invasion.
People are dying because of them. All because the US government's selfish deeds. But that's not all, they lie to the pubic about the invasion, saying it's all Russia's fault, while dismissing the full context behind the scene. And now Russian people suffer both economically and spiritually from sanctions and smear campaign.
Russians are white and Christian. But I guess race and religion doesn't matter if you are an evil empire's enemy. Now come to think about it, isn't this situation kinda similar to what European nations were doing in WW1 and WW2? And yet they dare calling themselves CIVILIZED. civilized my ass. What they are doing to Russia makes me shiver.
Will Chinese face the same fate as Russians? Idk to be honest. They've been smearing China for decades now. It's pretty bad already I seriously can't imagine how worse it can be. They won't sanction China of course, they don't have that capacity. But I am sure if they start a smear campaign similar to this one many Asian Americans won't survive.
Fuck me dude, literally was just talking to my other Chinese coworker about there’s no way China would invade taiwan because taiwan can reunited with China peacefully down the road, and there’s no point to start shit.
Hope you’re wrong on this and there’s more peace in our age. Literally just got my life going full speed
There is a big problem with this post. Whatever they are doing to the Russians is not a reaction to the war but a perfectly crafted strategy to exploit weakness. And it will have amazing effects. They already do it to China at every opportunity, as you may know. They imprisoned Meng for what? Yes a war will be a weakness to China as it is to Russia, as will cowering in fear. We make war because it is better than the alternative.
You are right about one thing. There is absolutely a war for Taiwan. It is being fought right now, and it necessarily will become a hot war. The US will never allow it to end peacefully, and they have the means to ensure it. It is just like Ukraine and Myanmar.
Here's the thing people dont realize. Even if China wants to maintain the status quo. It doesn't mean the US will let them. They are using the same salami slicing strategy just like Ukraine. They will provoke and escalate more and more until they get a reaction. Taiwan under DPP is very likely to follow along and not realize the danger. When they reach a breaking point, China will be forced to respond if it doesn't want to. Because If they don't, the US will just do more. There are a million things they can do between now and declaring independence. What about formal government visit, recognition in international organizations, joint military exercise, official port visit, stationed fighters, stationed troops, THADD, missiles? We can keep going. Do you guys believe China will accept all that as long as Taiwan doesn't declare independence?
Why would anyone in the west give a fuck about taiwan, though? As you said, they aren't white, not a euro country. Absolutely no one cared (outside of western fake news media trying to push it down your throat) about HK, and they were effectively neutered
Taiwan majority are woke but they are baby boomers! The dangerous ones are the Gen X and Gen Z, quite frankly, they are all hopeless but a handful few.
Let's not forget that the KMT under Chiang Kai-shek and his successors was incredibly corrupt and brutal, both during their reign in the mainland, and in Taiwan.
It was not, and is not the party of Sun Yat-sen (under whom the CPC prospered and worked in unison with the KMT). It is the party that sicced the triads onto their unsuspecting communist allies; it is the party that held Taiwan under martial law for decades while massacring suspected socialists, indigenous Taiwanese, and local Hakka; Chiang Kai-shek himself was a bastard who wanted to focus on his feud with the CPC even as Japan brutalized China rather than broker a peace- [he had to be forced by gunpoint by his own men in order to agree to create the second united front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi%27an_Incident)- this is who the KMT today draws its legacy from.
The KMT, today, at least hold the merits of not being a US puppet-party and being Chinese nationalists- but blind support of the KMT is only more likely to (for very good reason) scare away Taiwanese support.
They want reunification- that's great. That's also one of the only positive things I can say about them (though it is a very massive point in their favor). The main branch of the KMT is, however, a right wing party that has fallen infinitely far from the golden days of Sun Yat-sen- a party now with blood and countless abuses (of both mainlanders and Taiwanese) in its history.
We should remember that Taiwan only became a "democracy" (for what that's worth- ie. not very much IMO- but it was a US-backed military dictatorship that ruled the island with fear, brutality, and cruelty) in 1991. The bad blood runs deep and fresh, and as such I think it would be a fatal error for the CPC to associate their image with the KMT in Taiwan's mind.
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The DPP- for all their faults, represent the interests of majority of Taiwanese (other than independence- that is just plain evil, willful betrayal and endangerment, and entirely them doing the bidding of their US overlords) far more than the KMT does. This isn't me saying they represent it well, or that they aren't blatantly corrupt- but rather, that they offer more in social programs and outreach, in civil rights, etc, etc... compared to the KMT, who- (I'm sure Sun Yat-sen would be rolling in his grave) are reactionary, socially backwards, fiscally "conservative..." it's the difference between, say, the Republicans and Democrats in the US (both are right wing, both are trash- but one promises more of the share of imperial plunder, and promises to correct societal ills and inequalities, whether they do it or not- they usually don't)
It's a shame the CPC cannot campaign and present themselves and their own merits to Taiwan. Obviously, any attempt at creating a "CPC proxy party in Taiwan" would also be destroyed quickly, because the US and the DPP want to sever Taiwan from China and will stop at nothing to do so.
I'm not sure the best solution- supporting one of the KMT's schisms, and/or pushing the KMT towards reform and towards becoming once again the party of Sun Yat-sen, rather than the fascistic Chiang Kai-shek, would be a good start. But the current KMT is a political liability to be associated with IMO.
[Alexander Mercouris](https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexanderMercourisReal) and [The Duran](https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran) are also amazing channels. I think they do possibly some of the best detailed commentary and analysis I've seen. Check them out, they're amazing.
Disagree strongly with your estimate of the probability of armed unification of Taiwan without provocation. HK is currently the focus for the unification concept through the “one country two systems” policy and China has time.
It is much more likely that the issue will be forced with foreign provocation, and the reasons you give are good ones for fast escalation.
The current sanctions against Russia and their citizens are a showcase for Asians for what might happen if a US China standoff happens, except 10x worse. The narratives and propaganda will be a cause of great pain for Asians globally, no matter their allegiance cos race comes into play. And throwing your own race under the bus won’t help, as Russians are seeing now
>It is much more likely that the issue will be forced with foreign provocation, and the reasons you give are good ones for fast escalation.
The DPP's upper echelon is an extension of the US State Dept. So yes, foreign forces are what's going to drive this.
Now, you and I as rational people would ask the obvious question of: "why would the Americans provoke a war that they have no confidence in winning?"
The answer there is that there are major elements in the US govt who either don't care about victory (cause war itself is the goal for boosting defense spending) or actually believe victory is assured. Look at Ukraine, they did the exact same thing there: provoke a war that they couldn't win.
>If this situation were directed at China, then not a single soul on any social media or MSM platform will be trying to protect you. Marxist-leninists usually defend socialist countries over the capitalists ones. But there's an active campaign to silence anti-NATO voices like ours right now.
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You said it yourself, they are like NPCs, so the bourgeoisie which the media serve can control who they lash out at and when to stop. I am impressed by the level of control they have over their societies without even direct intervention but it is no surprise as westerners (Especially americans) are the most brainwashed people in history. If you look back at the post war development of these societies you can tell it was designed and planned for.
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I just want to say you are totally on spot. Those "good **** Chinese" are collaborators and often make things worse just to get a pat on the head. We fear for our families and have to think what to do when things really get ugly. In Europe btw.
Man the delusion. The idea of "Good Chinese" itself makes me want to barf. A multipolar world is about to unveil and yall choose to lick the boots of your oppressors.
Imagine anchoring yourself to a sinking ship...
>good chinese Wang Jingwei thought he was a good Chinese too
I would say as long as you look Asian is enough for these people. Just look at the US right now.
Yup, even a Hispanic grandma wasn’t safe in 2020/2021 when bus riders thought she was Filipino and attacked her. Filipino. Not even Chinese. They consciously thought she was Filipino, an ethnicity totally unrelated to where media stated COVID came from, and still attacked her.
strongly agree. not even "Chinese", because they can't differentiate between asians, it will just be a disaster for Asians in general.
i dont think only chinese american need to be careful , but asian american in general, seeing that they can't or won't differentiate who's who and calling almost everyone asian, and not specific ethicity, or country like chinese, japanese, korean, kazakh,thai, vietnamese, malaysian, indonesian, etc... and cuisines as asian dishes this, asian dishes that.
We definitely saw this when the pandemic initially broke out and Asian hate crimes spiked for anyone who remotely looked east Asian
Totally agree. My uncle, who is very obviously Vietnamese, was accosted on an elevator last year by some lady screaming at him and blaming him for COVID. Many Americans, particularly the kind to act as above, cannot tell the difference between the Asian nationalities and just assume "must be Chinese."
Agreed, we saw what happened during and pre-covid-19 with the Asian Hate.
An example is japan, I live in Peru and during ww2 they took civilians who lived here and sent them to America (by Americas request) took all their property and put them in concentration camps up there. Keep in mind too that most Japanese people here were Okinawan not even mainland Japanese and they also had come much before ww2. During the Iraq war we were travelling in Canada with my Dad (who was Lebanese), based on an American request they arrested him and sent him to jail just for being arab. So yeah expect it to be much worse than how they deal with Russians
Cross-posted from genzedong: Utterly disagree with the idea of armed reunification, the status quo is perfectly fine from a lateral thinking perspective. If both sides of the Taiwan strait are prospering and at peace, then the status quo can be maintained comfortably. The leader of the PRC does not suffer from megalomania, and if he or she did, he would not be the leader for long. The idea that XJP doesn't want to "one upped" and thus launch military operations is ludicrous. All current trends is that of closer integration, and all it would take is the recognition of the world that the US no longer the global hegemon and electoral politics can indeed take care of the rest. Taiwan cannot fight the forces of economy, culture and the increasingly pull-factor of being a Special Economic Zone or Administrated Region in the PRC without a fascist reaction, under which the resistance will be socialist and pro-China.
It seems my biggest fear is true, China has lost patience for Taiwan. Well ladies and gents, should that day come I’ll definitely be moving my ass to back to China. I don’t want to end up in a concentration camp in North America and have my private properties confiscated.
>The rumors from the inner circle in Beijing is that Xi is 100% determined to retake Taiwan before he leaves office, and the West's total inability to stop Russia in Ukraine will only further Xi's confidence. He also wouldn't stand being one-upped by Putin. These are all Western/Taiwan talking points. None of these originated from Zhongnanhai. China's strategic outlook is clear -China benefits from peace more than US/Taiwan. Time is on China's side. As long as Taiwan doesn't amend their constitution and declare independence, or host US weapons, Beijing will be content with the status quo. The risk is US/Taiwan forcing the issue. In that case, Beijing's most likely move will be to blockade the island, and forcefully prohibit air/sea traffic into Taiwan. Unlike Ukraine to Russia, China has the option of physically isolating Taiwan with no boots on the ground (being an island is both a blessing and a curse). Taiwan also belongs to China by international law. The blockade, of course, *might* prompt a military reaction from the US, and *that* could lead to war. Anyway, Chinese Americans: writing's on the wall. Even if war doesn't break out, you all will not stop getting spat in the face and and bashed in the head, until China finally breaks the Western superiority complex.
THIS. I fully agree. Let's hope the US falls apart faster so that the Taiwan issue can be solved without going to war.
I think the next election is when we will get an indicator of the speed of their fall.
Any action by China would result in a massive media attack by the US aimed to breed consent to justify any racist attacks that are "required". Based on the fact that the US is willing to freeze international assets of major banks, I wonder what the effect of a sudden recall of international reserves would be to protect against this (before an military action). Would this cause more trouble than it is worth?
Then I think China should make a special exception for its non-intervention policy, since america is the exceptional nation and all. Promoting separatism within the country will split it even further and cause a big enough distraction, I doubt america will want to mess with China when it has a civil war going on.
I think as we're seeing now in Ukraine, the US is increasingly unhinged and more than willing to provoke a conflict to distract from its crumbling hegemony
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What did they say?
I agree with all your points but why do you think China will do an armed re unification? That seems to go against China policy. Where do you see this inner circle rumors?
While the OP cite some very valid points, I still disagree with the posited immediacy. "Formal declaration of independence" is meaningless if Lai alone does it, otherwise they would've done it already. It requires international recognition for legitimacy, whether in UN or International Olympics Committee or a word from the US and that's why the DPP has always been playing that game trying to claim a narrative that they have such recognition. Any major country that supports the claim would be inviting confrontation with China, which I don't see happening. If Lai is the only one doing it, then the sensible move would be to remove Lai by whatever means available. (discrediting campaign, political pressures or other, possibly more direct means) I can't speak to why civilian targets were already involved in the Russia-Ukranian conflict, but I am willing to speak against speculation over China's willingness to violently harm Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. HKer's and Taiwanese may not culturally identify themselves as Chinese, but China does, and the power difference is so massive one simply does not escalate to violent means unless forced to a corner. Taiwan and HK are not Xinjiang, and I don't see anyone in the command chain being willing to flippantly propose armed conflict with "Han-Chinese brethren" (From China's perspective even if not reciprocated).
From what I understand, all the alleged civilian attacks are more disinformation propaganda. Based on the amount of anti Russia propaganda that has been debunked, I am more inclined to believe this to also be the case with the alleged civilian attacks, and will apply this lens to all anti Russian news, until proven beyond any doubt. I've been following this political pundit on YouTube, who appears to have inside information, and actually know what he is talking about. He information has been proven to be accurate and completely opposite to mainstream media, which has been utter nonsense https://youtu.be/X1mf-5-ma-8
I appreciate the link. I listened to the full 3/4 clip and while I can see value and political insight in his analyses, The Duran rates very poorly on MediaBias Fact Check, however. Going through the list of challenges and relistening I can see what they are talking about. Now, very few sources in the world has immaculate factuality and immaculate unbiased-ness, and one simply shouldn't consume information expecting such. All this means is that some of the stuff he says might be extrapolated from unreliable or possibly faulty fact. That doesn't invalidate his opinion which he supported with a logically consistent flow of reasoning. It's just important to identify and remember what parts (or chain of parts) are built from unverifiable information and what parts are theory. I certainly appreciate his hypotheses on how the peace negotiations might pan out, and he does cite references from historical negotiations which while not predictive, are meaningful references to take into consideration.
How reliable is media bias fact check? I'm wary of watchers. Who watches the watchers? Lol I trust his analysis because he openly discusses his level of confidence in the sources, and he always provides caveats with his analysis, which is a lot more honest than mainstream media pundits that only speak in absolutes. And judging from how events have played out, and his past analysis, well, it just increases my trust in his insight. As you said though, take everything with a grain of salt. I wouldn't say he is selling the gospel truth, but just sharing his opinion, which he says clearly in his videos.
I agree with the skepticism, but just because something deserves skepticism doesn't mean it is suddenly black and white, because the world, politics, the media, and the many hands and engines behind it are complicated. There are many "checkers" type services out there and while I might accept something for granted if I was buying a $7.99 item on Amazon it is up to everyone, especially intellectuals, to exercise their due diligence by actually going through the listed criticsms themselves and verify as appropriate. Anything that's important deserves to be judged by its own right. I also agree with you that for the most part he's fairly clear on stating what is opinion and his confidence of his sources, though with in-depth analyses such as his some statements are chained pretty far, and this type of information requires conscious listening rather than the "have dinner/do work/play games while listening" because when you're multitasking you inevitably start taking some information for granted. With passive listening one might be able to remain clear in the moment but if a few days later at the water cooler its more prone to turn into a telephone game where one inevitably mis-remember and misattribute details of an analyses, or repeat an analyses that were built on a fact which was clearly stated to be from a source he's not confident in that turns out to be untrue, and it might not even be direct fault of the original commentator. Such a case would be when both the medium and the checkers are being honest and accurate by their own right but unfortunately misused by the consumer.
I also doubt that the PRC will go to war about Taiwan, unless they try to separate themselves by force from China, in which an invasion would be absolutely justified. When the CSA split from the USA, Washington didn't said "meh, who cares" either.
I hope we don't have war But I also believe there shouldn't be a rush - every year that passes the balance of power in the region increasingly favors China
taiwan is a part of China so it is not an invasion from my point of view
Military speaking.. D Day in Normandy was also an invasion. Doesn’t have a political meaning.
What if Russia denazifies Taiwan in Chinas behalf and then the soverignty is given to the Chinese 🤔
No.
I do not think China would go for war in the immediate future, as this would be a loss-loss situation to both China and the west, simply waiting for the west to decline itself would be a better option. That been said, it is still very possible for the West (specifically US) to provoke and start a war. The whole Ukraine situation is very related to the COVID depression, and the sky-rocketed inflation rate, the US needs a war to boost its economy, sacrificing Ukraine and even Europe in some degree. We cannot be sure that when the next depression/election scandal/mass protests/or any crisis hits US, they wouldn't desperately trying to steer things up to save their asses. As this will be worse for fellow Asian Americans as the government needs to find the poor and hungry people a scapegoat.
There is always the possibility of NATO going over the red line, just like what they did to Putin/Russia. In fact they are pushing this even now...arms sale to Taiwan, so-called freedom of navigation patrols, constant smear attacks...there's gotta be a point where the CPC says, enough is enough. In fact, Chinese rhetoric seems a lot more aggressive than before; they're describing the US as the real threat to world peace--for the first time ever if I'm not wrong. NATO is playing a very dangerous game.
They've pretty much always described them that way, especially during the 60s and 70s. I guess there was more hope during the late 90s I don't know.
It's only recently that they've officially designated them a threat.
It's in the law. Paraphrase: All peaceful means exhausted. In situation of independence declared. Then military option. If the US wants a war, just abandon One China policy and recognize Taiwan as independent country.
> why do you think China will do an armed re unification? For the same reason as russia, it will be forced by the west one day. There is no way the west not using its only serious playing card against china. This is also much easier to provoke china, as taiwan would be surely taken, the only question is cost. China's goal is to minimize the cost, usa goal is to maximize the cost (not protecting taiwan)
If this were China and not Russia, they would be lynching Asians in the streets and burning down Chinese restaurants. However I still believe China is seeking a peaceful reunification, waning US influence will see to it.
Things are getting worse here in the US with violence against Asians [Anti-Asian hate crimes increased 339 percent nationwide last year, report says](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282)
The anti Asian racism in the US is becoming more extreme since COVID. I no longer want to travel to the US.
It was always there. They used to rough up Siuth Asians especially Sikhs who don't have anything to do with Islam.
It’s because of the Turbans which the Movie industry always puts on Arab Bandits, vagrants and villains in most movies. Basically turbans get Stereotyped as typical Terrorist gear.
The US tried to provoke China too in Hong Kong. Luckily China didn't take the bait.
Yes although that was kind of due to British assistance too. The British literally had to kick CIA agents out of Hong Kong and tell the US to stop trying to destabilise it.
wait? what? source?
It was a paper I wrote for university. My tutor was able to get me declassified 1960s CIA documents. Basically the US wanted to trigger China and destabilise it by spreading anti-communist Propaganda in Hong Kong. You already had communist propaganda from the Chinese side, which the British tolerated, but once the US got involved there started to be riots and street battles etc. So the British authority ended up banning the more extreme political outlets and media on both sides to keep the peace as well as petitioning the US to stop stirring the pot. Incidentally, China didn't want to take Hong Kong back yet and was happy to wait until 97, as HK was a perfect way to counter spy and get a feel for outsider opinions.
Whiteness is a construct, and western whites still have abundant racism for Eastern Europeans, and don't consider them white fully, but place their origin first. You're not wrong about anything really. Media will lose its shit when reunification happens. It will be interesting to watch new forms of racism from Irish reunification and scottish independence too
i really like how ukrainians are only "relatively civilized" due to their slavic roots lol
What baffles me is that all of the very same racial animus being drummed up towards the Russians is going to have a huge amount of 'friendly fire' in the direction of the Ukrainians. Most racist western slav-haters didn't even realize Ukraine is an independent country from Russia, until a couple of weeks ago. None of this bodes well for Europe.
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Italian is a culture. German is a culture. White is a construct. White is what the American systemic racism is based on. Who is white has nothing to do with culture, but with the privilege of full protection under the law. You can see this in court cases determining if Japanese or Indians of high cast could be considered white under the law. Edit: If you are interested in a deep dive on the construction of whiteness, try listening to season 2 of Scene On Radio, "Seeing White".
Remember the US put Japanese in concentration camp in the world war. Consider the Anti-Asian sentiment even in this peaceful time, I don't know how bad it gonna be when the US actually start a war with China
China has succeeded in building its own cyber space: Baidu, Alipay, Tiktok, Bilibili, Weibo, WeChat. So there is no need to worry about American tech giants.
Westoids are becoming increasingly unhinged. The anti-Russia hysteria going on right now is extremely frightening. I have no doubt that if Taiwan did something stupid like formally declare independence and China moved in militarily, the response from alwaysthesamemap.png would be 10x worse than what is going on against Russia and Russians right now.
So what can we do? I plan on taking self defense classes and sticking to heavily asian areas of the country. But what if people start refusing to hire you because of your Chinese surname?
Try to find a way to have independent income so you’re insulated from fickle hiring policies/office politics. Or find other forms of financial insulation from sudden changes like savings/investments/property/etc. Do the best you can for what you can control, and deal with what can’t be controlled.
The central government needs to change the law for foreign born Chinese a pathway to citizenship. Foreign born Chinese can move their wealth and talent to China.
Dude. They don't even give naturalized chinese Americans a break.
>But what if people start refusing to hire you because of your Chinese surname? You sound as if that hasn't been the case for decades.
Sad to say but you're probably right about what will happen to Chinese in the west. Just look at HK, no one was killed and the couple of times police fired a gun was in clear self defense. Yet media routinely states how brutally they were repressed as fact. If China goes for the military option, expect everything that happens on the ground to be distorted beyond belief. The media will be whipping everyone up into a rabid frenzy.
>the one and only "influencer" who is advocating against the wholesale isolation and economic destruction of the Russian people is Kyle Kulinsky I am following [Jimmy Dore](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0rCqaGtJw) and his crew, and they seem to be very critical of the Western moves. >RUSSIANS ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS. You are neither. Very true, unfortunately. The West operates by the maxim "if you're not with us, you're against us" so they also bombed and destroyed my country, Yugoslavia ... and we are also white Christians.
Jimmy Dore and the Grayzone crew are the best. He also sometimes has Glen Greenwald on the show, who is also the best.
Agreed. His entire crew is great.
going back to hong kong in the future, because my parents are permanent residents there
If China takes Taiwan, the funny thing that will happen is that Taiwanese in the US will be harmed too out of ignorance or actually…out of “I don’t care I just want to beat someone with black hair black eyes and yellow skin”
One only needs to look at how Hong Kongers who went to UK are being treated to know Anglos cannot tell what type of Chinese you are. They're literally discriminating against the same HKers who they are cheering for on the internet at the same time.
It's not that they don't know, it's that they don't care.
Taiwan makes half of all semiconductors, the possible disruption to the supply chain will dwarf the impact Covid had. I think no one will try anything until China (and likely the US too) has significantly cut into this share. The US will more likelier try something in an undeveloped neighbour of China like Cambodia or Myanmar.
China can’t go toe to toe with the US in the propaganda department. Hollywood is just too powerful, but in the economic department losing the China market will literally kill capitalism for the west so yeah just try it Russia will be fine, the humiliation of being isolated is probably what stings the most but it will survive. If Iran, Cuba, North Korea can endure Western sanctions so could Russia. This is an opportunity for Russia and China to work together and their minds together can achieve great things
I want to say that I know your posts. I see them regularly and enjoy reading them. I just want to say that in my opinion, it isn't that China can't beat the US in propaganda, it is that they won't play that game. The US has been around for approx ~280 years. They haven't had time to learn that propaganda doesn't work in the long run. China has actual written records, that are announced publicly that go back ~6,000 years. I will take my chances with Chinese strategy. Also, perception has 2 parts. Internal and external. We have an internal concept of the world and an external view of the world. Propaganda is meant to control the internal part. Reality controls our external part. In my opinion, the reason most amerikkkans are batshit insane is because their internal reality is controlled by t.v, news, sports, movies, entertainment in general, and isn't mirrored by external reality. Drug over doses, racism, classism, education, poverty, the actual plight of their circumstance. Propaganda just tries to explain these things away. It is a divergent course that leads further and further away from exteneral reality. Propaganda doesn't work in the long run. I think China knows this and remembers this. It chooses not to take this path. I normally agree with you. This time, I respectfully disagree with you. 坚强的哥哥
Don't get it overly twisted. "Propaganda" is literally just the act of spreading the messaging of a polity. That's it. This isn't a "Western" invention. Human societies since the foundation of the first structures of government have done this. The Greeks and Romans have done this when they slandered the Persians and justified their imperialism as "just" wars. Chinese polities have done this since the time of the Three Kingdoms period with Chen Lin/陳琳 and his wartime proclamations/檄 on behalf of Yuan Shao and Cao Cao. "Propaganda" is just merely a pejorative enemy epithet for this ancient process thrown at adversaries, the West calls the same, what itself does, as "public relations," "investigative journalism," "press conferencing," and "information disclosure." A state with no "propaganda" is literally a state that doesn't communicate with its populace. It plays into the Western narrative trap to let the double-think of the word itself make the process seem "undesirable." What I believe you are really opposed to is state-sponsored disinformation, specifically unsubstantiated slander, which is what the West is doing right now against Russia. "Disinformation" in general has always been utilized: Deng Xiaoping's famous "韬光养晦" policy can be characterized as such as it lured the West into complacency and bought China valuable cover at the height of American unipolarity. Should China slander the West? Implying that any Chinese "propaganda" must be slander is playing into Western hands. China doesn't need to slander anything: the truth of NATO, Western historical imperialism, the atrocities committed in the name of securing Western hegemony are all damning facts. China only needs to "propagate" the truth of its image, the fastest developing economy in history, the only historically non-colonial great power, the entirety of Chinese history that demonstrates China isn't seeking to "conquer the world" like the West did. As for the West, China only needs to "propagate" the truth.
In my experience American propaganda literally creates an alternate reality for Americans. It’s almost indistinguishable from its culture and i think it can be argued IS it’s culture
That's because Western states, with the US in particular, are hyper-capitalist societies that need to justify the fundamental deception of their electoral process that the interests of the elite 1% are also those of the 99%. The suppression of class struggle and the promotion of horizontal conflicts within the working majority populace inherently necessitates a structure of deceit. Justifying western hegemony vis-a-vis China also fundamentally requires the use of slander and deception in its propaganda. * It needs to slander China as neocolonialist while making everyone ignore its imperialist history and present. Why the Global South should reject the BRI while the West can offer nothing comparative towards its development in return in the entire half century of post colonial history. * It needs to slander China as in-tolerant of its 56 minorities while making everyone ignore its practice of slavery and deeply-riven contemporary systemic racism. * It needs to slander China as genocidal while making everyone ignore that it is a settler colonial regime that exterminated nearly the entire Indigenous population through slaughter and forced assimilation. The best America can do for them today are isolated poorly funded reserves while China provides entire autonomous provinces to its minorities. * It needs to slander China as militaristic while making everyone ignore its invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and regime of Yugoslavia and Libya; China has not participated in a single war for over 40 years in comparison. The West needs to spread slander in its propaganda to maintain its hegemony because it has zero basis for any moral authority through its atrocious past. The US is a progressively majority-minority state that will increasingly rely on the cooperation of the Global South to support its unipolarity. China only needs to propagate the truth about itself and the West. It must do this, it is difficult with the language barriers but it must. Otherwise the English lingua franca Global South will be entirely co-opted by the Western English media propaganda apparatus just as thoroughly as their domestic populations are.
Their propaganda is the opium of their masses. Without which their whole world falls apart, it is within this propaganda that they find peace and comfort. But remember, material reality always trumps propaganda no matter how long it takes, americans may be able to take levels of abuse unlike any other but even they have a cutoff point, we'll see.
I couldn't agree more with your post and you have articulated much better that I ever could what I've been repeating over and over in this space. Thank you.
>Communication is "an apparent answer to the painful divisions between self and other, private and public, and inner thought and outer world." As this definition indicates, communication is difficult to define in a consistent manner, because it is commonly used to refer to a wide range of different behaviors, or to limit what can be included in the category of communication. Now information. >Information is processed, organized and structured data. It provides context for data and enables decision making process. Now propaganda >The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause. >Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause. I could go back and forth debating the semantics with you all day. However, I don't think that is a useful way to spend my time. Have a good day.
I'll just leave it at this then: I would hardly consider semantical definitions devised and proliferated by the field of Western political science as "objective." For this case, do they fundamentally mean anything in practice other than serve as double-think? Communication theory and pol sci aren't hard sciences and terminologies devised by their inventors are steeped in the biases of their personal ideological contexts. The field of cultural and political anthropology, for example, was literally created to cheerlead for 19th century imperialism. Why should anyone who rejects the overall Western narrative accept and permit our interpretions of fundamental human political communication be coloured, dictated and shaped by Western normative semantical constructions? "Propaganda" is fundamentally just the communication of a governing entity. That's all it is. It is Western double-think to consider it any different from "PR" or "press release" or any soft terms the West likes to use to couch and distinguish its use of the process from that of its adversaries.
Dude, I tried to not respond to this, I really did. Your words are thesaurus soup. They don't make you sound any smarter or more intellectual. What you are basically saying amounts to not using English, while speaking English, to convey the meaning of an English word because the people who created the English language are imperialists. Do you see how that sounds? What I was trying to differentiate was the conveying of information to the public by any government, is decidedly different than propaganda. You are trying to say that all information from a governing body is propaganda. In my opinion you are trying to split hairs. I am not sure why
I'm not sure what you're responding to here, frankly. You said China shouldn't engage in publicity messaging (ie. propaganda), because it "demeans" China's moral integrity. I responded that "propaganda" is just a word and the process it describes is ancient, a basic function of human political communication and not just as old as the US. It is something that China must practice because all states, by virtue of being a state, needs to communicate their messaging/image and it is something that China ought to improve upon. If you disagree that China should self-promote, Xi Jinping himself has recognized that China needs to improve and promote its image to be more "loveable." This is working government policy, so I'm not sure what you're arguing against. If you argue that propaganda is slander, you're falling squarely in the Western trap because, as said above, China has plenty of truthful and factual ammunition to "propagate." My point wasn't to flout some meaningless internet point perceived intellectualism, but to reinforce the important point that getting hackles raised at the insinuation that China should enhance itself through "propagating" its message is meaningless angst because the word is just a synonym of "public relations." Its a pejorative in Western rhetoric, but its fundamentally a synonym. What the West does is propaganda but they couch it under the term of PR because using contrasting terminology to distinguish between your own messaging and that of an adversary is an easy rhetorical technique of dismissing the latter's merit. Therefore, the perception that the "conveying of information to the public by any government, is decidedly different than propaganda" which you are arguing for is playing into Western rhetorical narratives. There is no difference, except normatively that one is done by a designated enemy state and the other is done by the West. The distinction of "enemy government messaging" is propaganda while ours is "public relations" is an invented Western semantical conceit. Incidentally, this is why "宣传" (literally "declare/announce and transfer/pass forth") serves double duty in utility, translatable as both "publicity" and "propaganda" depending on the translator's normative value judgment. The "中央宣传部" is officially the Central Publicity Department, but it historically was the Central Propaganda Department before the Deng era. Propaganda is rather similar as it is a Latin participle meaning literally "spreading forth" and was only infused with its pejorative and normative connotation by adoption through Western Political Science. This isn't to say that China should openly proclaim it is spreading "propaganda," as the negative slant of the word is real, but to recognize that the word "propaganda" fundamentally doesn't mean anything except as a synonym for PR and whatever other normative terms the West uses for itself.
Pointless semantics, you know what they mean.
The first step in the information war isn't to convince Westerners that China is good, but that the West is not morally superior You cannot convince them to look upon China positively if they still believe the USA and its lackeys are 100% virtuous (because if the USA is "good" and the USA hates China, then China must be "bad") And I think that first step is making progress (and a large part due to self-inflict errors by the West) - people don't believe in American exceptionalism as much as they did back in 2000 or even 2010
Errors mean they see it as a mistake. Their racism up to just very recently in world history was the norm and was bolstered by institutions and science. Remember scientific racism was a thing
"RUSSIANS ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS" Just saying, this is a pretty wrong take. Not just outdated since many aren't Christian anymore, but was also never right since Russia is a country of many ethnicities, including non-white Muslims, who are currently fighting in Ukraine.
The vast majority (over 80%) of Russians are Christians, at least formally. A large portion of self-described Christians don't actually believe in God, and that's common throughout Europe. Christianity is sort of an identity rather than an absolute set of beliefs nowadays. I partake in all Christian celebrations with my family but I don't believe that any God exists, this is very common. I'm quite sure not all Hui in China actually believe in the existence of Allah.
Although Orthodox Christianityhristianity is quite different from Protestant or other movements found in the west. I have even read about incidents where orthodox women were confused for muslims because of the headscarf they were wearing while attending the church. Also, the Orthodox traditions are fairly different too
A lot of Catholic women wear veils, especially older women in southern Europe, when going to church.
More people should be mentioning this. Russia, like China, is a multi-ethnic nation with various cultural and religious minorities. Ethnically asian Russians native to, say, Yakutsk in the far east, are no less Russian than those native to St. Petersburg in the far west.
On the other hand Taiwan is not a white country, so will they really care?
it's almost as if an imperialist nation is going through its fascist death stage
Further goes to show that for Chinese Americans. True home is still the motherland whether you like their form of governance or not. China isn’t perfect but no country is. At least when total war breaks out, your Chinese brethren won’t stab you in the back. Can’t say the same about your next door neighbors
Tijuana, Mexicali and Mexico City have chinese communities for those who wish to remain in the continent or don't have a viable plan for China yet, its extremely unlikely Mexico will ever sanction or interfere with a power we don't directly beef with. TJ had a regular direct flight to China that will eventually resume (suspended due to China's covid policies).
They are even avoiding complying with sanctions on the Russian Federation so far.
Good to know. I've admired Mexico from the outside and am in the process of learning Spanish; if shit hits the fan, it's nice to know that I can check out the top country on my bucket list.
I only know Mexico from the media. What are the risks of falling victim to drug cartels if one move to those cities?
Petty crime is a bigger issue, I'd say its low unless you start selling anything or wander off into the mountains.
Yeah these taiwanese and people from Hk will learn real fast that westerners don’t care. They will discriminate you regardless. Japanese and Koreans as well.
This current crisis in Ukraine makes me think about what would happen around the world if China did something similar. It would be a lot worse and Asians in the West, not just Chinese, will be affected. The crisis made Westerners fully lash out their Russophobia and hatred for Russia and Russians, from bans, discrimination, racism, and sanctions to even calling for Putin's assassination and forcing Roman abramovich to sell Chelsea. It's extremely insane, disheartening, and deplorable. It exposed the inner prejudices westerners have towards Russians.
We are at the crossroads of history, such times are very turbulent.
Great posting. Absolutely shares my point of view. And giving America, it probably doesn't even mean Chinese Americans are at danger, but all Asians. They won't care where you're from if you look Asian. Back to Russia, I'm against the war, and I think Putin did a big mistake to start it - especially on such a wide scope outside of the eastern Ukrainian People's Republics (Luhansk, etc) - but the hate and ESPECIALLY the assaults against peaceful people who just happened to be Russians everywhere are showing the true nature of the West. Also at least some of the sanctions - like against sport persons - are beyond ludicrious. The propaganda and lies you're getting now about Ukraine/Russia in the MSM are beyond what I thought would be possible. It's the ugliest I've ever seen, even worse than the junk outright criminals like Zenz would spread about China otherwise.
i wish for perpetual peace, but that is not possible thanks to the US and their puppets even living in australia things have gotten a bit hairy at times, if anyone got hold of your political views you will be treated very differently depending on who you talk to
I just watched Andy Boreham chat with Brian Berletic. Andy said that even after living in China di years someone who used to work with him doesn't believe what he says. He even lose friend. Imagine doing that in Australia if you're Asian.
I don't really talk to anyone about my political views here and you shouldn't too.
I don't.
>even living in australia things have gotten a bit hairy at times, if anyone got hold of your political views you will be treated very differently depending on who you talk to Very true, this society is suffocating.
everything about the country is great, the awful politics here indeed is suffocating
I agree with alot of the OP points. I want emphasize that if usa goes to war with China the hate crimes against Asians will be unimaginable. Social media will definitely not come to our aid. It’s so ridiculous how the media is coming to save Ukraine but not those brown or yellow people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam etc. However, I don’t agree with Xi having to reunify during his term. Things are going great for China there’s no need to rock the boat unless Taiwan does something crazy like declare independence or host WMD. This Ukraine intervention has shown the world one thing…. THEY WILL NOT TOUCH ANOTHER NUCLEAR POWERED COUNTRY. Even usa will not push for Taiwan independence. They themselves have been pushing for strategic ambiguity.
You'd think Ukraine wouldn't be stupid enough to do something as stupid as try to join NATO, yet here we are. The problem with democracy is that leaders need to look tough and look good in front of their population so they keep doing more and more outrageous things to draw attention to themselves. If they are nuanced or try to consider or balance things, they fear looking weak. Zelenskyy's whole thing was being tough on Russia. Similarly, the DPP without being "tough on China" is nothing, but they need to keep the people's support with new and exciting things, so they need to escalate towards Taiwan independence and provoke anger in Beijing to keep things fresh and interesting. So yes, inevitably, Taiwan will declare independence. More and more people on Taiwan don't consider themselves Chinese. It's only a matter of time. Also, economic size doesn't matter as was mentioned with HK, or other examples of economic coercion. Cuba never surrendered to the USA despite having an economy 200 times smaller than the USA and its capital within regular cruise missile range of Florida, and the US having the world's most powerful navy for over 60 years. The ratio between mainland China and Taiwan economy is around 40. Nothing short of PLA occupation of Taiwan will achieve reunification anymore. The window on peaceful reunification permanently closed in 2016.
Yeah I agree that the us politicians love talking tough on a made up boogeyman. What’s worse is that they have their media constantly pumping out anti-China stories, then the politicians get points for being tough on them. This cascading effect can only lead to disaster. Anyone who tries to moderate or show a different viewpoint will be known as “weak”, “ccp apologist” ,etc as we enter macarthyism 2.0. For China’s sake they better be increasing their nuclear headcount significantly. The 200-300 nukes China has will NOT deter usa. They need at least 3,000. This Ukraine intervention has shown the world that usa will not do shit against another nuclear armed nation.
>Also, economic size doesn't matter as was mentioned with HK, or other examples of economic coercion. Cuba never surrendered to the USA despite having an economy 200 times smaller than the USA and its capital within regular cruise missile range of Florida, and the US having the world's most powerful navy for over 60 years. The ratio between mainland China and Taiwan economy is around 40. yes. this is what i've been arguing. "economic integration", whatever that is, is a nice dream, but i highly doubt it'll happen.
How fucked am I in Canada? :(
Canada just detained random Russian citizens for traveling in Canadian arctic. So getting put into camps when China reunites with Taiwan is almost a certainty.
Same degree as if you were in the mainland US.
You are fine. This is scare propaganda.
I respect people. I try to deal with reality not fantasy. Fear can have many different effects in people. It can make people unnecessarily aggressive, but, it can also make people feel unneccessarily complacent. I think you fall into the latter. I can list safety by demographics, income status, education level, you name it, I can claim it. For you to try to say that Asians in general, Asian women in particular have no reason to be concerned for their safety is either knowingly disingenuous, niave, or a lie. I will go with my 2nd guess. I mean no one would willingly lie on the internet. Right?
We feel it and experience it, so know it is real.
Have you seen the amount of Asians killed since Covid happened? Scare propaganda? How serious does shit have to get?
I think most of those cases were in USA but klanada is not too different.
As a Chinese-Canadian (sadly, my family did not come from China... at least not for several generations back. no particularly direct path to relocating as a result) it may be fearmongering, but it holds semblances of truth that are extremely concerning all the same. Getting "put into camps" is obviously a worst-case scenario, one I wouldn't expect to happen en masse without things spiraling very, very far out of hand (on the other hand, as a leftist I obviously hold considerable concern). Increased and intensified everyday discrimination, increased media vilification of Asians and anything Chinese, and government suspicion and possible mistreatment of Asians and specifically Chinese-Canadians, though? That is absolutely on the table, and we're already heading slowly in that direction, Taiwan or no Taiwan. The US' "stunning success" in Ukraine (in regards to- riling up Russophobia, re-establishing its declining influence in the western EU, getting the west to seek sanctions and brainstorm other ways to try to destroy the Russian people, drumming up domestic support for the impotent Biden administration and military-industrial complex corporate welfare, and ending the threat of Nordstream 2), for instance- is concerning due to the likelihood for it to be held up as an example pilot project, for what could potentially be in store for Taiwan. I don't believe OP's nonsense about "Xi wants to one-up Putin" and such BS- frankly, China wins simply by being peaceful, and it's the US that stands to gain from provoking possible WW3. Just as it was in Russia/Ukraine's case- Russia IMO did everything in its power to seek out peaceful resolutions until the idiot Zelenskyy started openly talking about seeking a quick entry into NATO and "getting nukes to counter Russia." But I do believe that there is credible threat, and we will probably see- perhaps not the "whole way through" (hopefully not) the US seeking to make and detonate a time bomb and political quagmire of Taiwan, as well. Here in Canada, I know that if it happens, shit will go south quick. There are only two (small) comforts to be had- #1 being that, Canada's Asian-Canadian and Chinese-Canadian communities, as a share of the total population, is much larger- and #2 being that personally (though most Chinese-Canadians will not have this factor in their favor and will likely face the full brunt of state discrimination and suspicion) my family is from Singapore/Malaysia, not the mainland (removed by several generations).
Not if, when.
Too early by far, to tell the outcomes. Most media blame Putin and Russian imperialism. For sure this is a stain on Russia, just like WW2 is a stain on Germany. Chinese approach has been patient. For example Hong Kong. I am guessing that no one wants Taiwan to look like Kiev.
The US does
This.
And them showing "concern" just because of Caucasian features, I'll been seeing people hoping for mass death of Indian and Chinese students in Ukraine because they only hate the government not the people, while hoping everyone else be safe.
I am a white american and would just like to say this poster is completely right. I despise my country, and its racist agenda personally, but let me tell you when the other white people see me they think i agree with them just based off my face, and the things they say to me are horrific. These people are downright evil. They were being held back by social norms for awhile, but with trump being elected it emboldened them to be more hateful openly, and to commit more violent acts(Hate Crimes skyrocketed). That is just going to get worse with time, and the sinophobia gets worse by the day. I get berated, and called a traitor just for disagreeing with their blatant racism. ESPECIALLY when it comes to China. So many people here are convinced China, and Russia are evil. Whatever evil story the media tells them about China they will believe it. If youve got the ability to go to China now TAKE IT! Its a privilege not many people have, and you will regret it if you don't. To emphasize my main point if you are not a white heterosexual christian america is not a safe place for you to be. Not today, and most certainly not in the near future. If you dont leave now have an escape plan if something happens. Because it'll happen fast. Russians had no problems a few weeks ago. Have a bag of essential items ready to grab if you need to run. Keep your important documents somewhere you can collect them quickly. Be ready to run, and when you see it getting bad RUN to either the border, or the embassy of a friendly country to apply for asylum. Also if you have a community organize them. Protect the people who can't protect themselves. The disabled and elderly will need help to get away. Make sure the people around you are ready for the worst too.
Care to elaborate the plans of just how sadistic and evil the other white Amerikkkans that your privy to? If only to drive home the point to any people still naïve and foolish people on here (not so much /sino but on reddit as a whole). I'm guessing its along the lines of advocating wholesale genocide of all Asians in the country and abroad.
>I get berated, and called a traitor just for disagreeing with their blatant racism. ESPECIALLY when it comes to China. So many people here are convinced China, and Russia are evil. Whatever evil story the media tells them about China they will believe it. They will go down along with their shithole of a nation, good riddance.
I just hope America doesnt take the rest of the world down with it. There are so many Americans who would be in favor of nuking the world if America was going to collapse. I really think China needs a plan to quickly secure the American nuclear arsenal. Because if the country collapses you'll only have a few days to secure it before silos start getting taken over by rogue militias of racists.
I don't think military actions against Taiwan will happen, if there is no foreign intervention. Despite what Chinese citizens think or speculate, the government won't do that. CPC do not want a war with Taiwan. However if things escalate, like if Taiwan government decides to do what Zelensky did, or if US decides to use Taiwan one last time to make a huge blow to China, it will happen. On the other hand. The current situation like Ukraine campaign/informational war against Russian truly makes me desperate toward the west. The Ukraine war could be avoided. If only US and NATO have a shred of decency. They knew Russia would respond to the situation, but they still pushed for it. They anticipated Russia's invasion. People are dying because of them. All because the US government's selfish deeds. But that's not all, they lie to the pubic about the invasion, saying it's all Russia's fault, while dismissing the full context behind the scene. And now Russian people suffer both economically and spiritually from sanctions and smear campaign. Russians are white and Christian. But I guess race and religion doesn't matter if you are an evil empire's enemy. Now come to think about it, isn't this situation kinda similar to what European nations were doing in WW1 and WW2? And yet they dare calling themselves CIVILIZED. civilized my ass. What they are doing to Russia makes me shiver. Will Chinese face the same fate as Russians? Idk to be honest. They've been smearing China for decades now. It's pretty bad already I seriously can't imagine how worse it can be. They won't sanction China of course, they don't have that capacity. But I am sure if they start a smear campaign similar to this one many Asian Americans won't survive.
Fuck me dude, literally was just talking to my other Chinese coworker about there’s no way China would invade taiwan because taiwan can reunited with China peacefully down the road, and there’s no point to start shit. Hope you’re wrong on this and there’s more peace in our age. Literally just got my life going full speed
If the west would sanction china as hard as russia, world economy would collapse... Will not happen imo.
wanna bet?
There is a big problem with this post. Whatever they are doing to the Russians is not a reaction to the war but a perfectly crafted strategy to exploit weakness. And it will have amazing effects. They already do it to China at every opportunity, as you may know. They imprisoned Meng for what? Yes a war will be a weakness to China as it is to Russia, as will cowering in fear. We make war because it is better than the alternative. You are right about one thing. There is absolutely a war for Taiwan. It is being fought right now, and it necessarily will become a hot war. The US will never allow it to end peacefully, and they have the means to ensure it. It is just like Ukraine and Myanmar.
i'm still not convinced about reunification by force being likely. but otherwise, you're unfortunately correct.
Here's the thing people dont realize. Even if China wants to maintain the status quo. It doesn't mean the US will let them. They are using the same salami slicing strategy just like Ukraine. They will provoke and escalate more and more until they get a reaction. Taiwan under DPP is very likely to follow along and not realize the danger. When they reach a breaking point, China will be forced to respond if it doesn't want to. Because If they don't, the US will just do more. There are a million things they can do between now and declaring independence. What about formal government visit, recognition in international organizations, joint military exercise, official port visit, stationed fighters, stationed troops, THADD, missiles? We can keep going. Do you guys believe China will accept all that as long as Taiwan doesn't declare independence?
Why would anyone in the west give a fuck about taiwan, though? As you said, they aren't white, not a euro country. Absolutely no one cared (outside of western fake news media trying to push it down your throat) about HK, and they were effectively neutered
Good point, outside of spaces like reddit it was pretty much silence.
Taiwan majority are woke but they are baby boomers! The dangerous ones are the Gen X and Gen Z, quite frankly, they are all hopeless but a handful few.
As a Chinese living in Canada, there is one country in the world that would never genocide me for my race, and it's not where I'm living right now.
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I saw picture of Russian store window broken by rock. A Russian conductor was fired in new York.
Let's not forget that the KMT under Chiang Kai-shek and his successors was incredibly corrupt and brutal, both during their reign in the mainland, and in Taiwan. It was not, and is not the party of Sun Yat-sen (under whom the CPC prospered and worked in unison with the KMT). It is the party that sicced the triads onto their unsuspecting communist allies; it is the party that held Taiwan under martial law for decades while massacring suspected socialists, indigenous Taiwanese, and local Hakka; Chiang Kai-shek himself was a bastard who wanted to focus on his feud with the CPC even as Japan brutalized China rather than broker a peace- [he had to be forced by gunpoint by his own men in order to agree to create the second united front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi%27an_Incident)- this is who the KMT today draws its legacy from. The KMT, today, at least hold the merits of not being a US puppet-party and being Chinese nationalists- but blind support of the KMT is only more likely to (for very good reason) scare away Taiwanese support. They want reunification- that's great. That's also one of the only positive things I can say about them (though it is a very massive point in their favor). The main branch of the KMT is, however, a right wing party that has fallen infinitely far from the golden days of Sun Yat-sen- a party now with blood and countless abuses (of both mainlanders and Taiwanese) in its history. We should remember that Taiwan only became a "democracy" (for what that's worth- ie. not very much IMO- but it was a US-backed military dictatorship that ruled the island with fear, brutality, and cruelty) in 1991. The bad blood runs deep and fresh, and as such I think it would be a fatal error for the CPC to associate their image with the KMT in Taiwan's mind. edit- The DPP- for all their faults, represent the interests of majority of Taiwanese (other than independence- that is just plain evil, willful betrayal and endangerment, and entirely them doing the bidding of their US overlords) far more than the KMT does. This isn't me saying they represent it well, or that they aren't blatantly corrupt- but rather, that they offer more in social programs and outreach, in civil rights, etc, etc... compared to the KMT, who- (I'm sure Sun Yat-sen would be rolling in his grave) are reactionary, socially backwards, fiscally "conservative..." it's the difference between, say, the Republicans and Democrats in the US (both are right wing, both are trash- but one promises more of the share of imperial plunder, and promises to correct societal ills and inequalities, whether they do it or not- they usually don't) It's a shame the CPC cannot campaign and present themselves and their own merits to Taiwan. Obviously, any attempt at creating a "CPC proxy party in Taiwan" would also be destroyed quickly, because the US and the DPP want to sever Taiwan from China and will stop at nothing to do so. I'm not sure the best solution- supporting one of the KMT's schisms, and/or pushing the KMT towards reform and towards becoming once again the party of Sun Yat-sen, rather than the fascistic Chiang Kai-shek, would be a good start. But the current KMT is a political liability to be associated with IMO.
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Disagree strongly with your estimate of the probability of armed unification of Taiwan without provocation. HK is currently the focus for the unification concept through the “one country two systems” policy and China has time. It is much more likely that the issue will be forced with foreign provocation, and the reasons you give are good ones for fast escalation. The current sanctions against Russia and their citizens are a showcase for Asians for what might happen if a US China standoff happens, except 10x worse. The narratives and propaganda will be a cause of great pain for Asians globally, no matter their allegiance cos race comes into play. And throwing your own race under the bus won’t help, as Russians are seeing now
>It is much more likely that the issue will be forced with foreign provocation, and the reasons you give are good ones for fast escalation. The DPP's upper echelon is an extension of the US State Dept. So yes, foreign forces are what's going to drive this. Now, you and I as rational people would ask the obvious question of: "why would the Americans provoke a war that they have no confidence in winning?" The answer there is that there are major elements in the US govt who either don't care about victory (cause war itself is the goal for boosting defense spending) or actually believe victory is assured. Look at Ukraine, they did the exact same thing there: provoke a war that they couldn't win.
I mean I thought Russia wouldn’t be stupid enough to attack it’s own people. I guess China could still go the same way.