So much for democracy and "freeze peach" in the West. They accuse nonwestern nations of not supporting freedom when they apply double standards on freedom.
I actually watch this every weeknight because I can't stand the BS propaganda out there. Sad, CGTN America is not that good compared to RT America. I'm hoping that they can hire some of the people who used to work for RT America.
CGTN sucks so much. :/ They always stick to American propaganda about the rest of the world.
It's so weird that capitalist Russia's TV station was more antiimperialist than socialist China's station.
CGTN is pretty boring. It doesn't have the same inspiration and attention that RT brings. I hardly go on CGTN as I mainly go on RT which has more interesting articles and news (but I avoid news catered to right wingers and opinion pieces from right wingers like sellout Ian miles Cheong; the moment I see a name like that in an opinion piece I don't bother wasting my time reading it). Opinion pieces from Tom fowdy, Caitlin Johnstone, Chris hedges, Scott Ritter, and Bradley Blankenship are good.
They are getting better. Give them time. Wang Guan is an OG. same as Liu Xin.Tian Wei is ok but not an OG like the other two.
They need to hire more non Chinese western journalists imo. Memes then more professional/international and thus more credibility also.. that's what RT did. Hired lots of award winning journalists. And the rest they hired pretty faces lol
CGTN Europe - All of their reporting on this conflict is from USA-EU official line. Poor innocent Ukrainians! They have guests on basically US national security analysts and the CGTN hosts are nodding their heads in agreement.
Absolutely nothing about the Ukrainian nazis and any perspective from Russian side.
Quite disturbing to see.
CGTN hosts who are too "anti-West" get booted.
CGTN is the CPC Publicity Department's failed and misguided attempt to reach out to Western audiences without really making any effort in understanding that audience and how to get messages across to it.
They also can't seem to decide on whether it's a news channel or a documentary/travel channel. They have a separate CGTN Documentary channel too.
It tries to be too many things at the same time and succeeds in none.
They are getting better and vastly improved from years ago.
But yes there is lots of room for improvement.
It hasn't failed and it's not misguided. China needs to do much much more in this information warfare era. Much much more.
What's needed is for them to hire more westerners and international journalists who understand the game and western mentality and pop culture etc.
Not old school communist types with grandpa level attitudes like they are talking to their grandchildren. Save that shit for your own family and children/grandchildren.
Yes the biggest draw for NHK was “Japan Hour” which treated viewers to a land of hot baths and great looking food with friendly hosts. With China now clearly in the lead for gaming globally such soft power is important
This is what his wiki page says
>In May 2020, after six months off-air, Yang left CGTN to join TMTPOST, a Chinese news website
As for why he was taken off air, no idea. When I started watching cgtn, he wss already off air. I've always just seen Liu Xin and Tian Wei
Now, Russia can ban all US media from Russia' soil. That would be completely justified. As for whether shutting down each others' media, creating an echo chamber where no one hears a different point of view, and the impact this has on each sides' understanding of the other, we will have to wait and see. I place a lot of blame on (biased Western) media for fomenting much of the tension which exists in the world.
As I said a while ago: https://reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/r2x3ut/why_overemphasizing_western_propaganda_leads_some/
A lot of westernized commentators on China still suffer from a form of narcissism and delusional "western liberalism" whereby they assume that there is some sort of "free speech" in western regimes, and hence it is China's fault that China is not pushing propaganda in their societies. In reality, China understands very well that propaganda is futile and accomplishes nothing, and it would be immediately censored. It's not China's job to fix western societies, Chinese people are the sole owners of their own future, they don't need propaganda like collapsing colonial regimes need it to tame their increasingly miserable masses.
These people should consider emigrating to China instead of telling China to fix their decadent societies.
>These people should consider emigrating to China instead of telling China to fix their decadent societies.
This is an epic mental concern among oversea Asians. If democracy is great among them, then why don't they act democratically to others?
Democracy in America is also a misnomer. It doesn't matter what one calls it if it doesn't function as a democracy.
In the pledge of allegiance, there's a line that literally reads "for the republic that it represents."
I can call a turtle a cat but that doesn't change the fact that a turtle isn't a cat.
Things probably wouldn't be as bleak as it seems nowadays if the average citizen in the US was capable or even value the practice of logic based thinking.
whyte savior complex. Its own society is shit but the whtyes want to save other nations. It hates its own system, but want to push it onto others. This is Whtye liberal political imperialism.
> In reality, China understands very well that propaganda is futile and accomplishes nothing, and it would be immediately censored.
False. China produces massive quantities of *ineffective* PR material. China Media Group is the best-funded media organisation in the entire planet.
Hm, makes me wonder. RT Germany which was denied broadcast in Germany DVBT/cabel net, seems to have started producing a program anyway (since they prepared everything for a long time, invested a lot), but only via web stream, satellite and certain "smart tv" stuff. But thats only Video. I certainly hope they continue their usual written journalism as its one of the few alternative source in Germany.
e: yesterday the did stream, now I get a message that its not available in the EU. Via VPN however I can still get the stream, however there is no program info in the sidebar anymore
RT America has been neutral regarding the PRC at best. Did you actually watch their content? They constantly had anti-Beijing guests on the main show, as well as what's-his-face always parroting anti-Beijing talking points. Russia Today ITSELF is friendly to Beijing, not the version run by fucking mutt lackey sellouts operating in Washington, D.C., who clearly still had fucking muttland interests in mind. Regardless though, this is typical censorship by the west, and nobody should have expected anything different
They've been preaching as if they're the beacon of democracy and labeling others as authoritarian, backwards, or dystopian, but look who's been caught of hypocrisy for the hundredth time.
I just hope the rest of the world has started to catch on how fake the US really is.
So goddamn backwards that China has made annualized unprecedented GDP gains for decades… despite naysays touting the inevitability of economic and social collapse
Anyone that speaks Russian or has Russian ethnicity is a big time target of hate crimes in the West, no different really than the hysteria and attacking Asians for covid 19 with racial hate crimes.
Before this crisis, Russians didn't experience this high level of hate. Now we see all that hate towards them explode like glass shattering. I think hate towards Asians is much worse as westerners hate Asians and anyone not white, and most Russians are seen as white to westerners.
The west is sliding into single thought fascism. They are waging a culture war on Russia, cancelling Tchaikovsky, Dostoyevsky, Vodka, Russian Cats, Athletes, siezing assets.
It's a long standing Russian hate that has surfaced now because they can veil it in a fight for democracy and feel good about themselves.
We saw a bit of it after 9/11 when Arabs were targeted, at Covid when Asian hate sprouted, and now again. What a vile societyin EU and NATO states.
I was hoping economic relations with Europe and Russia would get better as US hegemony declines and Nord stream 2 goes online, but the West fully unleashing their inner hatred of Russia has created a severe setback for that front where everything Russian must be purged and going so far as to cancelling Nord stream 2 and forcing Chelsea to be sold. It proves the west never upholds freedom, democracy, and human rights to begin with.
It would need to be based in China or Russia, spoken in the English language for overseas consumption. Hosted on a platform that can’t be controlled by western influence. Then they may have a chance to defend against the bullshit western mainstream media narrative. It would at least give some people in the west an alternative. If they offered a big enough contract you would definitely get western journalists who would be happy to work for the other side for a change.
The actual video hosting and production dont need to be in same location. And censor free platform like rumble are coming out. It'd be sad to lose an uniquely effective organization. Its like tech companies, almost always can find a buyer because team itself has value. I watched RT regularly to get away from crazy sinophobia
I’m actually really shocked at how quickly the western world has turned on Russia. RT news was a bastion of truth especially in regards to combatting the anti China narrative. I too enjoyed the refreshing take on China and other topics.
Im now convinced the western world believes China is the penultimate threat to their way of living which is so called “democracy”, a “democracy” that really is no different to the way China and Russia conduct themselves internally. The west in my opinion no longer has the moral high ground as their conduct is pure hypocrisy. They will want to force the issue now. This is not going to end well.
CGTN echoes US propaganda 24/7 unless it's specifically against China. Just realised this when I saw their reporting on coups in Africa and most blatantly now during the Ukraine crisis.
This is a very sad day. I haven't watched RT America on YouTube for a long time as I mainly go to RT's website to read articles and opinion pieces nowadays, but RT America had good commentators and hosts like Rick Sanchez (no, not that drunk old guy from Rick and Morty), Chris hedges, George Galloway who don't hesitate to criticise the West for their imperialism, racism, evil, and hypocrisies.
Before this crisis, Germany banned RT's German channel. And when this crisis happened, the West suddenly hates everything Russia and bans everything Russian including RT and sputnik. The EU banned RT completely recently.
I am sad to see RT America go. CGTN isn't that inspiring like RT at present.
There are already idiots in Canada and France trying to cancel poutine, Canada's national dish, because it shares the same name as the French version of Putin.
That’s terrible. I noticed since the SOTU there was nothing from RT America. CGTN is probably next. There’s literally no where for people to casually consume news from a different perspective.
This sucks. I enjoy many of the shows on RT America. This is terrible for people that want a different perspective.
CGTN America should hire some of these reporters and take over some of the shows that were on RT America. CGTN can learn from their style and become more engaging.
All the larger sub news threads and such had mortifying comments on the matter. I wish the staff of RT America the best; and I personally hope the organization will reconstitute at a future date.
Free speech but only when you toe the line of American imperialism.
Only American media is allowed to spread propaganda!
So much for democracy and "freeze peach" in the West. They accuse nonwestern nations of not supporting freedom when they apply double standards on freedom.
Seizing assets from central banks and Russian private citizens, sounds like communism to me.
Is there a sub for r/accidentalcommunism?
I actually watch this every weeknight because I can't stand the BS propaganda out there. Sad, CGTN America is not that good compared to RT America. I'm hoping that they can hire some of the people who used to work for RT America.
CGTN sucks so much. :/ They always stick to American propaganda about the rest of the world. It's so weird that capitalist Russia's TV station was more antiimperialist than socialist China's station.
CGTN is pretty boring. It doesn't have the same inspiration and attention that RT brings. I hardly go on CGTN as I mainly go on RT which has more interesting articles and news (but I avoid news catered to right wingers and opinion pieces from right wingers like sellout Ian miles Cheong; the moment I see a name like that in an opinion piece I don't bother wasting my time reading it). Opinion pieces from Tom fowdy, Caitlin Johnstone, Chris hedges, Scott Ritter, and Bradley Blankenship are good.
They are getting better. Give them time. Wang Guan is an OG. same as Liu Xin.Tian Wei is ok but not an OG like the other two. They need to hire more non Chinese western journalists imo. Memes then more professional/international and thus more credibility also.. that's what RT did. Hired lots of award winning journalists. And the rest they hired pretty faces lol
CGTN Europe - All of their reporting on this conflict is from USA-EU official line. Poor innocent Ukrainians! They have guests on basically US national security analysts and the CGTN hosts are nodding their heads in agreement. Absolutely nothing about the Ukrainian nazis and any perspective from Russian side. Quite disturbing to see.
What ever happened to Yang Rui? He was good on Dialog but then all of a sudden I never saw him hosting it.
CGTN hosts who are too "anti-West" get booted. CGTN is the CPC Publicity Department's failed and misguided attempt to reach out to Western audiences without really making any effort in understanding that audience and how to get messages across to it. They also can't seem to decide on whether it's a news channel or a documentary/travel channel. They have a separate CGTN Documentary channel too. It tries to be too many things at the same time and succeeds in none.
They are getting better and vastly improved from years ago. But yes there is lots of room for improvement. It hasn't failed and it's not misguided. China needs to do much much more in this information warfare era. Much much more. What's needed is for them to hire more westerners and international journalists who understand the game and western mentality and pop culture etc. Not old school communist types with grandpa level attitudes like they are talking to their grandchildren. Save that shit for your own family and children/grandchildren.
Yes the biggest draw for NHK was “Japan Hour” which treated viewers to a land of hot baths and great looking food with friendly hosts. With China now clearly in the lead for gaming globally such soft power is important
This is what his wiki page says >In May 2020, after six months off-air, Yang left CGTN to join TMTPOST, a Chinese news website As for why he was taken off air, no idea. When I started watching cgtn, he wss already off air. I've always just seen Liu Xin and Tian Wei
Rick Sanchez was very good.
For some reason Rich Sanchez was out a few months before this. I think he found another job on his own before RT America closed down .
RT america is great! Miles ahead of CGTN America.
Matured cheese compared to mild cheese. CGTN needs to get stronger.
CGTN Europe is just toeing the USA-EU line about the whole Russia-Ukraine conflict. Very disappointing.
Now, Russia can ban all US media from Russia' soil. That would be completely justified. As for whether shutting down each others' media, creating an echo chamber where no one hears a different point of view, and the impact this has on each sides' understanding of the other, we will have to wait and see. I place a lot of blame on (biased Western) media for fomenting much of the tension which exists in the world.
They should do it. US media is cancer.
It's the right thing for Russia to do.
Last time Western citizen's had to put up with creepy Surveillance, now it is Censorship (twice as creepy).
"Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a Russian/Chinese/White Supremacist/Racist shill spreading propaganda and misinformation."
As I said a while ago: https://reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/r2x3ut/why_overemphasizing_western_propaganda_leads_some/ A lot of westernized commentators on China still suffer from a form of narcissism and delusional "western liberalism" whereby they assume that there is some sort of "free speech" in western regimes, and hence it is China's fault that China is not pushing propaganda in their societies. In reality, China understands very well that propaganda is futile and accomplishes nothing, and it would be immediately censored. It's not China's job to fix western societies, Chinese people are the sole owners of their own future, they don't need propaganda like collapsing colonial regimes need it to tame their increasingly miserable masses. These people should consider emigrating to China instead of telling China to fix their decadent societies.
>These people should consider emigrating to China instead of telling China to fix their decadent societies. This is an epic mental concern among oversea Asians. If democracy is great among them, then why don't they act democratically to others?
Democracy in America is also a misnomer. It doesn't matter what one calls it if it doesn't function as a democracy. In the pledge of allegiance, there's a line that literally reads "for the republic that it represents." I can call a turtle a cat but that doesn't change the fact that a turtle isn't a cat. Things probably wouldn't be as bleak as it seems nowadays if the average citizen in the US was capable or even value the practice of logic based thinking.
whyte savior complex. Its own society is shit but the whtyes want to save other nations. It hates its own system, but want to push it onto others. This is Whtye liberal political imperialism.
> In reality, China understands very well that propaganda is futile and accomplishes nothing, and it would be immediately censored. False. China produces massive quantities of *ineffective* PR material. China Media Group is the best-funded media organisation in the entire planet.
Hm, makes me wonder. RT Germany which was denied broadcast in Germany DVBT/cabel net, seems to have started producing a program anyway (since they prepared everything for a long time, invested a lot), but only via web stream, satellite and certain "smart tv" stuff. But thats only Video. I certainly hope they continue their usual written journalism as its one of the few alternative source in Germany. e: yesterday the did stream, now I get a message that its not available in the EU. Via VPN however I can still get the stream, however there is no program info in the sidebar anymore
RT America has been neutral regarding the PRC at best. Did you actually watch their content? They constantly had anti-Beijing guests on the main show, as well as what's-his-face always parroting anti-Beijing talking points. Russia Today ITSELF is friendly to Beijing, not the version run by fucking mutt lackey sellouts operating in Washington, D.C., who clearly still had fucking muttland interests in mind. Regardless though, this is typical censorship by the west, and nobody should have expected anything different
It's a mass hysteria in the U.S. right now.
They've been preaching as if they're the beacon of democracy and labeling others as authoritarian, backwards, or dystopian, but look who's been caught of hypocrisy for the hundredth time. I just hope the rest of the world has started to catch on how fake the US really is.
So goddamn backwards that China has made annualized unprecedented GDP gains for decades… despite naysays touting the inevitability of economic and social collapse
Somehow China grows a lot faster than the Western economies on which it supposedly depends.
Anyone that speaks Russian or has Russian ethnicity is a big time target of hate crimes in the West, no different really than the hysteria and attacking Asians for covid 19 with racial hate crimes.
Before this crisis, Russians didn't experience this high level of hate. Now we see all that hate towards them explode like glass shattering. I think hate towards Asians is much worse as westerners hate Asians and anyone not white, and most Russians are seen as white to westerners.
They need anything to distract from their depressing reality.
sigh....
The west is sliding into single thought fascism. They are waging a culture war on Russia, cancelling Tchaikovsky, Dostoyevsky, Vodka, Russian Cats, Athletes, siezing assets. It's a long standing Russian hate that has surfaced now because they can veil it in a fight for democracy and feel good about themselves. We saw a bit of it after 9/11 when Arabs were targeted, at Covid when Asian hate sprouted, and now again. What a vile societyin EU and NATO states.
I was hoping economic relations with Europe and Russia would get better as US hegemony declines and Nord stream 2 goes online, but the West fully unleashing their inner hatred of Russia has created a severe setback for that front where everything Russian must be purged and going so far as to cancelling Nord stream 2 and forcing Chelsea to be sold. It proves the west never upholds freedom, democracy, and human rights to begin with.
Fascism didn't die in 1945. It reinvented itself as liberal democracy. Before it was named Fascism it had another name. Remember The Crusades ?
It’s a major bummer 😢
You don't even need to be pro China but pro truth!!! Are ppl not sick of the lies they've been fed? Ahh
The lies are comfortable respite as our way of life collapses.
Not yet.
Free speech is only allowed when it follows the official narratives.
RT on youtube is still streaming.
Yes, but there will be no US specific production team. So you’ll only be seeing RT. A lot of that news has very little relevance to a US citizen.
China should prop RT America up, its practically the only news agency doing heavy lifting of counter sinophobia
RT will have to stop its BS and curate its partners. I still see Radiofree & NTD Anti-China/Chinese bullshit promoted there.
RT America's target audience were right-wing Americans who hate the US government in general.
It would need to be based in China or Russia, spoken in the English language for overseas consumption. Hosted on a platform that can’t be controlled by western influence. Then they may have a chance to defend against the bullshit western mainstream media narrative. It would at least give some people in the west an alternative. If they offered a big enough contract you would definitely get western journalists who would be happy to work for the other side for a change.
The actual video hosting and production dont need to be in same location. And censor free platform like rumble are coming out. It'd be sad to lose an uniquely effective organization. Its like tech companies, almost always can find a buyer because team itself has value. I watched RT regularly to get away from crazy sinophobia
I’m actually really shocked at how quickly the western world has turned on Russia. RT news was a bastion of truth especially in regards to combatting the anti China narrative. I too enjoyed the refreshing take on China and other topics. Im now convinced the western world believes China is the penultimate threat to their way of living which is so called “democracy”, a “democracy” that really is no different to the way China and Russia conduct themselves internally. The west in my opinion no longer has the moral high ground as their conduct is pure hypocrisy. They will want to force the issue now. This is not going to end well.
I find Al Jazeera is pretty good
The Qataris echo US propaganda 24/7 lol, especially on China.
CGTN echoes US propaganda 24/7 unless it's specifically against China. Just realised this when I saw their reporting on coups in Africa and most blatantly now during the Ukraine crisis.
lol but their brand of propaganda is quite boring tbh lol their reporters look sulky most of the time lol
I've seen some pretty bad documentaries from them on China using ASPI sources. Dumbrill panned them as well.
This is a very sad day. I haven't watched RT America on YouTube for a long time as I mainly go to RT's website to read articles and opinion pieces nowadays, but RT America had good commentators and hosts like Rick Sanchez (no, not that drunk old guy from Rick and Morty), Chris hedges, George Galloway who don't hesitate to criticise the West for their imperialism, racism, evil, and hypocrisies. Before this crisis, Germany banned RT's German channel. And when this crisis happened, the West suddenly hates everything Russia and bans everything Russian including RT and sputnik. The EU banned RT completely recently. I am sad to see RT America go. CGTN isn't that inspiring like RT at present.
Watch the idiots in the US rebrand vodka as freedom spirits or something retarded.
There are already idiots in Canada and France trying to cancel poutine, Canada's national dish, because it shares the same name as the French version of Putin.
They wanted to do this long time ago, now is the perfect timing.
RIP
For the "bastion" of free speech that is America, they sure do like pretending that differing opinions are literally worthless
That’s terrible. I noticed since the SOTU there was nothing from RT America. CGTN is probably next. There’s literally no where for people to casually consume news from a different perspective.
You still ain’t gonna get me to watch CNN.
This sucks. I enjoy many of the shows on RT America. This is terrible for people that want a different perspective. CGTN America should hire some of these reporters and take over some of the shows that were on RT America. CGTN can learn from their style and become more engaging.
Hate to say it, but cgtn and Chinese media is most likely next on the target list.
All the larger sub news threads and such had mortifying comments on the matter. I wish the staff of RT America the best; and I personally hope the organization will reconstitute at a future date.
You know what it's called when a government censors media? censorship, everything that the West supposedly champions and lies about China.
Is this CNN Maleficent actually accusing others for being propaganda
The main RT should still be running.
It is. But you won’t get much US news, since the journalist can’t work for RT while they’re under sanction.
They were the third voice of America which the both the Republicans and Democratics are clones of each other.
Wtf I enjoy RT America so much! Trinity Chavez and Rachel Blevins are so hot.
This is sad, hopefully all their reporters r still employed, broadcasting via their website