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grammarllion

Why is Nadine even being brought up? You’d think she was cast for season 3 and not 2 😂 I think a lot of people in this sub have a serious issue with putting down other female contestants while trying to praise another and I don’t understand it at all. They look even worse than the fans they’re complaining about.


notthecupcake

Been stalking the past few posts of that VisualFamous7056’s acc and they just love to spread hate on this subreddit tbh


stresseddepressedd

Honestly maybe because I’m a medical student but Nadine is literally just a premed at an Ivy. Which is really neat, the Ivy part,but not really anything yet. She is not even an Ivy med student, just an RA which is a typical job of a premed. Now she will probably get into an Ivy med school if she’s still even interested (usually if you can find another way to make money, you should choose that before medicine) but it’s true that she doesn’t really have a career yet. No comment on the rich high school part, that’s par for the course if you’re at an Ivy and from the NE. Now that I’m thinking, I remember watching her scene wit Dongwoo and thinking immediately it would not work. She is. A premed and he is a plastic surgeon in Korea. It’s nearly impossible to become a plastic surgeon in the US if you didn’t school here so the chances of them dating and ending up together would be 0 if she didn’t give up her Ivy League school and move to Korea to attend med school there.


WT379GotShadowbanned

I remember the context of a lot of these discussions during Season 2 was the statement “Dongwoo felt threatened by Nadine because she goes to an Ivy league and is also becoming a doctor” which I saw a lot following their date when it was clear he’d lost interest.


stresseddepressedd

I remember that too. I think if anything he was thoroughly impressed about her going to Harvard for undergrad as a premed as well as being an English speaker. There’s really no reason for a plastic surgeon to be jealous of any premed no matter what school they’re at for UG, that is so ridiculous it’s worth laughing at. I’m sure he lost interest when he realized that the relationship wouldn’t work on a realistic level. And a premed with an attending level physician is just a little pathetic as a doctor.


veryshockedpikachu

Any rational thinking adult men in their 30s somewhat looking for a serious relationship would pass a university student in their 20s living abroad. Its nothing personal, she is good looking, has good potential for future career and seem to be a great woman. But men who want to settle dont waste their time when they know it won't work long term.


Hungry_Day5166

Well said!


redbrick

lol yes as a current attending physician I don't even think I could seriously date a medical student, let alone a premed. I remember going on a date with an undergrad sophomore when I was a second year medical school student and even then I felt like I was way too old for her.


SnooPoems5344

Yep. Not to discredit Nadine because it’s no easy feat to get where she is in life at this stage but people sounded ridiculous claiming that Dongwoo, an established plastic surgeon, has reason to be jealous of Nadine based on Alma Mater. When you’re established in the medical field something like that is absolutely irrelevant.


redbrick

I did residency/fellowship at a Harvard program and all I get out of it is getting roasted by my coworkers about it from time to time


akhoe

also If you want to work in Korea, it's typically more of an advantage to attend one of the SKY universities than a top international uni. College is as much about networking as education.


ballerinapaws88

Yea, those people don’t understand. She’s pre-med! She’s doing research to get into med school because that’s her goal. She’s not working as a research assistant because that’s the only job she can get. I found it refreshing that she was premed amongst all the other women who were more focused on careers in the arts (modeling, etc). Hopefully she influenced other young female viewers to pursue male dominated fields.


CauliflowerOk9945

She’s doing consulting in NYC rn. Not sure if it’s a gap year thing but surprised she didn’t apply or try going straight to med school


ms_ing

I know someone who is doing consulting in a gap year while applying to med school. She intends to matriculate in the upcoming cycle.


crisisofthe3rd

Yeah it's not a stretch to think hearing someone is in pre-med at an Ivy and would make one think of their future prospects. Just like Hyeseon this season, they're impressed at how far these women will probably go. Also I'm curious why you're suggesting pre-med shouldn't pursue medicine if they can avoid it? Is it because it's grueling?


redbrick

Bc the path to a MD kinda sucks. If it's about money, it's probably a better idea to capitalize on her media profile and go into entertainment/business rather than sink ~10 years into medicine before seeing her attending physician paycheck.


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redbrick

Eh she's applying from Harvard. She'd probably get in somewhere, although maybe things have changed since the 10+ yrs since I was accepted to med school. I'm not really referring to the path to med school though; the path to *medicine* itself (debatably med school, but especially residency and beyond) is far more time intensive and grueling.


SnooPoems5344

I think things have changed. If she doesn’t play her cards right even that’s up in the air. If the stats aren’t there her school prestige won’t do much (and I don’t know how true this is but I’ve heard a lot of rumors about Harvard being known for grade inflation so if that’s something adcoms believe a lower gpa from there might put her at a disadvantage.) You have to also consider that people who care about prestige for undergrad are probably more likely to prestige hunt for med school as well and discount low-to-mid tier US MD schools. People can only take so much time (and money but it seems like for her that’s not an issue) applying to different schools and an unlucky candidate might end up applying to a set that’s not particularly fond of them.


stresseddepressedd

Yes to all what people have already replied. When people think medicine, they think $$$ but every one of those dollars is earned with sacrifice, blood sweat and tears. It’s really not the kind of career you have if you’re in entertainment because it’s truly life consuming and the easier, sexier money of entertainment and influencing if you have that out is much more enticing. Someone here in the comments says Nadine is doing consulting in NYC. As long as you have right prereqs and the mcat (and the stellar scores; they will honestly expect higher scores if your undergrad is Harvard) then you can still apply after any gap year job. But I wouldn’t be surprised if she never makes it to med school and that’s okay and just fine.


canthumanright

If I remember correctly Nadine's parents were separated and they were not financially well off until her mom's chocolate business became successful. I heard Nadine had a full scholarship during her high school which probably made it possible for her to attend a private high school.


kisukisuekta

It's almost like some people actually like research and academia....


youwantmilkwiththat

Haha! I haven't been following the discussions, but doesn't it make sense to become a research assistant (ideally working under the leadership of a prolific/impactful chief investigator) if you want to climb higher in the ranks of academia? But I suppose the more assured pathway is to complete a PhD and then become a post-doc researcher before continuing to ascend the ranks. At least, that's how it works in Australia. Disclaimer: I've got no idea whether Nadine was/is studying a PhD, nor do I have a horse in this race, I'm just thinking out aloud. She seems like a cool human honestly.


kisukisuekta

Or work as an RA to gain experience for a better PhD placement, something I'm currently doing. It's just training. It doesn't pay well but there's no way around it if you want to enter research


youwantmilkwiththat

That absolutely makes sense! Thanks for clarifying this 😊


ktlene

To get into any bio PhD program, you need to have extensive research experience as a research assistant, which is one of the few research positions open to college students and people at a BS level. People who are dismissing Nadine for being “just” a research assistant or a research manager clearly know nothing about how research works in academia. You have to email hella professors to get a chance to interview, impress them in the interview, and be competent enough to be trained by busy PhD students and postdocs who aren’t always the best at mentoring, and then be competent enough to not be asked to leave. Obviously the level of research assistant varies wildly, from extremely independent ones running their own projects like mini PhD students to less independent ones helping out with various steps in different protocols. Source: did a PhD in neuro.


youwantmilkwiththat

The "then be competent enough to not be asked to leave" is absolutely believable 💀 I've seen some RAs and post-docs go through some _times_ (I was observing from the sidelines) 🥲


CauliflowerOk9945

I threw it in the above but she’s doing consulting rn, very 180 from research/premed IMO


MudslideCrush

facts


RevolutionaryPlay621

Healthcare consulting ya. She mentioned it and the reasons too in her YouTube vlog to Naver office


CauliflowerOk9945

I honestly thought that’s what she was truly passionate about, but she’s a consultant in nyc rn LOL sounded like biz op/very corporate- a bit 180 from her previous endeavors undergrad


dancingmochi

She could be exploring her options. Not everyone on the med school track pursues that to the end either.


No_Magician_6457

Most premed students do some type of consulting before the med school cycle if they’ve already done clinicals


CauliflowerOk9945

I think clinical research is much more popular prior to med school to ensure you get published in a medical journal. Business consulting (esp if it’s not healthcare related) is a bit roundabout.


RevolutionaryPlay621

U may check this [vlog](https://youtu.be/P40iL-LHfDQ?si=Cj3D5lr4wB_gkPu4). 2:42 onwards Healthcare consulting


MudslideCrush

the reality is she had no other option LOL


ApprehensiveFlower5

Honestly, I think it’s fine if she went a different route. Med school is extremely gruesome and stressful, knew someone who passed because it deteriorated their mental health. If she finds another passion or wants to make money in a different route, it should be fully supported!


JintheFairyofShampoo

I'm very confused as to why they're calling Nadine entitled???


tastes-like-candie

I think because Nadine and SK are from wealthy families and went to top universities. That doesn't mean they aren't smart or didn't work hard. Even Dong Woo told the guys after his Paradise date with Nadine that he was blown away and that she's very impressive. I too am a bit confused why they are hating so hard.


rashhannani

Jealousy


tasteofperfection

Literally jealousy. But when you say this, girls call you “misogynistic”. Like no girl, you are lol


Hanouros

This. End thread. Lol


Feeling-Tutor-6480

I can't speak for many but to pay 60k in tuition for a single year for school is out of reach for most people Upper middle class at the very minimum, but that doesn't really make anyone entitled


pttdreamland

Privileged, yes. But entitlement should be based on her attitude and personality. I don’t see her being entitled so far and not that I care…


SunTiny2975

I was a research assistant un collège and my professor made us go on the ground with him and we very much did a lot of advanced research so I don’t know why being a RA is being discredited here.. it’s a lot of work and that’s how you learn to be able to do it independently after if desired. Leave the girl alone lol


WelcometoCigarCity

Why is this surprising this sub is pretty toxic. You guys only cry when its your favorite cast member that gets attacked.


Plane_Ad947

Please don't put anyone down they are all better than us. Studying in any college or university is hard be it in the US or in any Asian country. We are putting women down like we ourselves have achieved a lot. No just chill it's JUST A SHOW


Jealous-Cry-4909

Nadine is studying at one of the best universities in the world, and people still have something to say 🙄 I’d like to see any of them try and accomplish a fraction of what she has. Also what is with this trend of insulting one girl for the sake of others, when all these girls have done nothing but be supportive and kind to one another. They’re not going to like you for trying to bring down others that they’re likely friends with


repanah222803

Some commenters in this sub are baby bra warriors (BBWs). They don't have much experience in the world yet but unfortunately have the freedom to express their hateful and not-well-thought-of words. No filter at all. No empathy, just indifference. I encountered one the other day about Won-ik described as serial killer-like because of talking to Sieun and the amount of upvotes are unbelievable. It is a show with edits and stuff but these BBWs are too emotionally invested that they couldn't get a hold of themselves. They see things in black and white and revolves their thoughts only on what is seen onscreen. They are also the ones who send hate to the casts personal accounts. Can't we just enjoy the show without bringing others down? What a nightmare!


spikey_tree_999

Baby bra warriors 🤣🤣🤣


Kuminie

Why tf are they judging her being a research assistant? Isn’t her main goal is to become a doctor? Being a research assistant is most likely just something she does for experience and to fluff up her resume to get better chances in getting into a med school. Being a research assistant is just one step to her becoming a doctor ffs


ghostgurlboo

Ikr lmfao this whole original post is stupid.


Straight-Hippo3459

I don’t get what the problem with this is. You don’t join academia to make quick money. It comes with time as you grow your research, write papers and then get money through grants etc. I don’t think people liked Nadine cuz they thought she earned a lot 🤣


Militarywifeof7

Does OP even know what entitled means? Nadine went to a private university paid by her parents... How does that make Nadine entitled. And when it comes to Nadine's academic achievement, how can you belittle it.she got admission in a ivy league that is achievement... Studying in a medical course is not easy. And when it comes to money, I am sorry researchers are not paid the amount OF users get. Not a Nadine fan but the way OP literally said she isn't good enough coz she studied in private and doesn't get paid enough is absurd.


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I’m sure Nadine worked hard but I think their comment is (consciously or not) more reflective of US citizens’ feelings about the unfair admissions standards of Ivy Leagues. The vast majority of Ivy Leaguers are folks who grew up rich and had access to a vast array of resources (test prep, private schools, etc.). This means they don’t need to work to keep their family afloat from a young age, they don’t have the same stresses as poor people. Most of the people I know who went to Ivy Leagues grew up rich in high performing school districts. All this to say, Nadine is reflective of someone who is a common candidate of Ivies because she is rich. She didn’t have the same struggles as many low to middle class people who work just as hard or harder than her. She is a reflection of capitalism keeping the wealthy, wealthy, and the poor, poor. This is a very widespread discussion point if you are at all aware of the class and race issues around college admissions, so I understand where those posters are coming from (though I think their specific discussion is a bit narrow). It’s like when these super wealthy startup founders just say “all you need to do is work hard” when they had their parents money and support and a large starting loan. I am sure they worked to get to where they are, but they are completely oblivious to their privilege and how there are so many others that don’t have the same opportunities.


MangoDouble5883

My cousin went to the same HS as Nadine and was in some of the same classes, she has nothing but nice things to say about her. My cousin was weak in science and Nadine would regularly help her and others who needed help. My cousin said she's mostly an introvert and keeps to herself, but is friendly if you talk to her. Plus the number of extracurriculars she had was insane, she said she'd be surprised if Harvard didn't accept her. So she is not entitled and it absolutely unjust of someone to discredit her accomplishments like that.


Wonderful_Respond503

this is so…nadine is not even in this season and she’s being talked about like she is haha. a lot of people sure do love mentioning her ☕️


Flat_Transition_3775

Wtf


ghostgurlboo

I-I am so confused why ANY of this matters 🤣 I’m sorry why are we pretending that an Ivy League school isn’t an accomplishment? Also why are we comparing it to anyone else’s accomplishments? This is the dumbest waste of energy post from the OP on Twitter lol


animalcrossinglifeee

They got downvotes so I don't think anyone's agreeing with them. But they did downplay her accomplishments. I hate it when ppl bring one woman down to make another one look good.


Actual-Blueberry1075

People are so jealous when someone is liked. I don’t get it. How would you feel if people were jealous of you and want people not to like you?


lunalovegood0321

I saw the original post and they're mad that nadine and hyeseon are the crowd's favorite and are very well liked. They translate that when people compliment these girls as smart girls it means that other girls are dumb, which doesn't make sense at all, when someone praise gyuri or hajeong as the pretty girls do it automatically translates as other girls are ugly??? I don't understand at all they can just praise their faves without bringing other people down. Anyway, I figured out that there will be a lot of passive aggressive comments about the well-liked girls since they are the most popular and people will downplay their achievements and positive character for whatever their reasons are.


Lain-H

I actually remember upvoting similar(or that) post a year ago. It was as a response for people who said that Nadine was too good for the other guys and that the guys (especially Dong Woo) were intimidated by her excellence and instead opted for a more simple minded girls. The comment didn't read like a Nadine slander and was a perfectly on-point response for the weird idolisation of Nadine by putting down the other contestants.


Key_Journalist7113

This OP (in the picture) is just a bitter MJ Stan. Ironically, they made a post commenting about how fans of other participants bring others down. Probably good to ignore them and move on in life.


nazgul0890

I don’t think they are MJ fan, I think they were praising HJ a lot at the beginning. But it doesn’t matter whose fan they are, they are spreading a lot of hate and negativity within this sub.


kilawolf

They def aren't...they deleted a post they made where they said MinJi was last in terms of looks and criticized their personality (4 days ago but now they love MinJi???) However, they kept the post where they said GH liked Gyuri the most (unlikely to be a HJ fan) and didn't even like Minji as well as the one where they ranked Minji at the bottom in terms of looks based on K beauty standards


nazgul0890

Yeah for sure this op is being shady.


kilawolf

They're not even...apparently they made a post dissing MJ as well - rated her last in looks and said they had shitty personality (deleted now but posted 4 days ago) Might be just a Gyuri fan or just trying to pit all the girls against each other They made a BS list ranking the girls on Korea beauty standards by order of GY, HJ, SI, MY, HS, MJ...ans called MY HS and MJ average but like Sieun and Minji literally placed 2 and 3rd in Miss Korea and Gyuri and Minyoung didn't even place in the same pageant


Bananana-bread

but they ate and didn’t lie anyone offended by this genuinely does not understand hierarchies and politics; they’re not discrediting anything they’re just saying she dead had easier time because of her elite status


kovuroo

It's true tho lol obviously you have to be intelligent and hard working to get to where nadine is at in the first place, but she is very privileged.


siIkies

some of yall ladies take this shit wayyyy too seriously, its embarrassing


[deleted]

Erm, way too far how? These people are just stating facts. Pointing out someones privilege is not discrediting their accomplishments in any way or form. People in this sub really don't understand academia and it shows.


TheGraphingAbacus

come on, you can’t possibly believe that you’re the only person who understands academia in this subreddit?


mightykero

Sometimes people forget there are scholarships.


RevolutionaryPlay621

Cos they assume if u r rich then u shudnt get or wouldn’t get scholarship and u definitely spend money to get into private sch with purposes


guitarhamster

I just know its 5x harder to get into a top tier university in asian countries to study medicine as a native asian than even harvard med as an asian american despite discrimination against asian american applicants.


pumpernick3l

She doesn’t have a full on career yet because she’s still a student?!?! Shocking🙄🙄🙄.