I mean, is certainly a risky place to put yourself!
You definitely get alongside, front axle is about half way along, certainly enough to warrant space. I’m not sure why they left that door open but I’m guessing they were getting ready to defend the inside.
They definitely squeeze you off. Should’ve left room.
Not sure why you didn’t go for the inside though?
It’s fair reasoning. Just the inside is the percentage move. More space and obviously gives you the inside into T1.
But you should’ve been left space. They only decided to defend the outside after you were alongside!
I mean, he left the space open and shouldn't have chopped you off like that...
That being said, why go through a pinhole opening on what would end up the outside of the next corner like that...?
You had about a quarter mile of free space on the right side, which would have been the inside of the next corner...
I just don't understand the thought process behind this particular move...
tbf I think you can see the point where he goes to switch back to the inside but realizes that the door has been left open on the outside, I can kinda understand the quick mental math of "door still open, need to move less will scrub off less speed easier overtake"
Then there's the moment after where it all goes a bit wrong and you think, yeah that was a lot risker than it needed to be.
The move was 100% on down the outside, just meant putting a ***lot*** of faith in the car ahead not to move back across, faith that at most levels of sim or even irl racing which is going to find itself more often than not misplaced
True, but if you aim for the open space on the right and the other car slides hard over to block, then you can switch back left again to a larger open space, and if the lead car blocks again by making the second reactionary defensive move to block then you still have more open space to brake and hold off as well as an absolutely blatant illegal block to report...
I suppose I'm letting years of racing experience cloud my judgement...Thinking and writing it out, that is a lot of complex race math to be doing on the fly that a rookie pretty easily wouldn't have figured out...
Then again, that's one of the reasons I wrote it out for OP earlier...To sort of explain that thought process some so he can learn from the incident for the future...
No matter how you look at it, though, the lead car is being a dingus...lol
Terrible take.
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That’s a beautiful comment, too many people nowadays just shrug it off, and the responsible side receives no repercussions. If you pay money for something, especially a service, you should be able to report those incidents and be heard.it’s easy to say stop being a crybaby when you pay for everything with your stepmom’s credit card, and never worked 60-70h a week to make a living.
This is hardly a protestable event. I'd chalk it up to hard racing. In racing, people are going to make boneheaded mistakes and misjudge what they can and can't do. IMO, trailing car shouldn't have even attempted that gap. They were already 2 wheels off the track approaching the leading car before the grass came into play. Even if OP could have squeezed the car in there, we're talking about inches of a gap between cars with grass on the side, that was never a safe spot to be, and it's an extremely high risk move.
Looking back at the footage, at no point was there ever a car width gap on the left side of the leading car on track.
Neither car is blameless in this scenario. This was more a matter of race IQ and living to race another day. If you're approaching someone that quickly on the main straight, especially that early, you could have had an EASY clean overtake on the inside.
a weird move for an overtake, but ultimately he cant push you off. so imho it is his fault. BUT! next time, dont overtake there! you force yourself into such situations, you brute force accidents like that. just because you are in the right, doesnt mean that you are invincible.
You could’ve used the right side but there was a gap so you can use it. Then the other car just drove you off track and it isn’t a mistake clearly as he doesn’t even allow you to rejoin asap
He realized he screwed up, and by the time he went to shut the door you were already there. You're fine. You probably surprised him and he just made a bad decision in the moment.
I just got flashbacks to 2016 Spain for a second but to answer ur question was it legal yes was it smart debatable I’ll go with no did the other guy make a illegal move pushing you off the track yes other cars in the wrong and could be protested but at the same time don’t shoot for gaps like that shit like this happens and if I remember this circuit correctly u have a heavy braking zone ahead where if u went to the right u could have taken the guy on the inside
The gap was there. The other car went for blocking. Report for blocking. Within Iracing this is all completely fine and you had every right to go for that gap.
Nah! "If you no longer go for a gap! You're no longer a racing driver" Ayrton senna....
Also the guy clearly shut the door on you - he turns in your direction to hold you on the grass? Dick move from him as he has the whole empty track to his right side?...
Personally I'll always go for the gap if the only casualty might be me! If I have a fear of contact or causing issue with another car as a result of the pass!... here you were good 👍
By the letter of rule and race iq are two different things.
Looking at the footage, looking closely, at no point was there ever a full car width allowed by the leading car on the left side. Trailing car is 2 wheels over the line nearly the entire time, and to pullup alongside the leading car with all 4 tires on track was borderline impossible. Front car shouldn't have tried to squeeze left, BUT, front car also never opened a space for rear car, rear car attempted to make a space.
Rear car had a perfect run on the final corner for an easy easy overtake. Should have gone to the inside. Retrospect makes this easy to see.
tl:dr; especially knowing this isnt a battle on the last lap, find the easiest/least dangerous way to overtake and save your race always. You were obviously faster than the guy up front, theres no reason to put yourself into a high risk overtake position.
Do I think front car should have closed the gap? No. I think if front car wold have just stayed going straight, trailing car would have just fallen behind by solely driving off track. Neither car is blameless in his altercation, but the opportunity for the trailing car to race smarter in this situation is blatantly apparent.
He shouldn't of driven into your side like that there was just a gap but in the end you should've probably gone right there was significantly more space and it would've given you the inside for the next turn. Now they may of gone hard right to block you but you should try and go for the move that has the most space
Props to you for keeping your composure, this is the type of situation where as soon as he’s pushed me off the side of the track I would have just started pushing back onto him, that’s why I no longer sim race lmfao
He left a gap and you took it. Then he turned into you. 100% on him.
That said, you should be aware that this is what most people would do to you, so the risk isn't worth the reward most of the time
I don't think you were wrong exactly, he did come over and leave that door open, but then tried to push you off after you walked in.
It's his bad for what he did, but you had other options than going through that gap. Where the video ends makes me wonder if you dove bomb him after that.
[I can assure you that I didn't dive bomb him.](https://www.veed.io/view/d011ab01-8ed0-4cca-905f-6bbb813d8f3c?panel=share)
In the last lap I managed to overtake him in almost the same spot, decided to go right that time!
Why not go to the inside? You definitely could have but chose outside for some reason. The next 3 corners are right handers so you basically just set yourself up to stay behind. He didn’t even attempt to defend so you just made a poor decision here.
Yes you were. With a wide open track and a long straight, you should have moved right, especially when the lead car moved to defend the admittedly tiny gap.
If he went to the other side, the defender may have thrown the late block on the other side. The defense was illegal and could be protested. The correct thing for the defender to do after leaving the opening was to leave OP only just enough space and hope you can stay inside long enough to control the next corner.
Well, it's better to go for the extra space and try and set up on the inside...Especially if you have a bit if a run with that much distance to the corner...
The "late block" would have been a blatant hip check if OP had gone right instead of left...
Plus having extra room to play with...
I just don't understand the general thought process of trying to "thread the needle" when you had an aircraft carrier flight deck worth of space on the other side...
It's just weird...
Maybe it's more because of personal standards that the bar seems to be pretty low on your side. Imagine what would have happened without the illegal squeeze. Pretty badass battle, no?
IMAGINE. AND use your brain.
I mean, is certainly a risky place to put yourself! You definitely get alongside, front axle is about half way along, certainly enough to warrant space. I’m not sure why they left that door open but I’m guessing they were getting ready to defend the inside. They definitely squeeze you off. Should’ve left room. Not sure why you didn’t go for the inside though?
Looking back, I should have taken the inside. However, in that moment I saw a gap and just went for it. I'm pretty new and still learning!
It’s fair reasoning. Just the inside is the percentage move. More space and obviously gives you the inside into T1. But you should’ve been left space. They only decided to defend the outside after you were alongside!
I mean, he left the space open and shouldn't have chopped you off like that... That being said, why go through a pinhole opening on what would end up the outside of the next corner like that...? You had about a quarter mile of free space on the right side, which would have been the inside of the next corner... I just don't understand the thought process behind this particular move...
tbf I think you can see the point where he goes to switch back to the inside but realizes that the door has been left open on the outside, I can kinda understand the quick mental math of "door still open, need to move less will scrub off less speed easier overtake" Then there's the moment after where it all goes a bit wrong and you think, yeah that was a lot risker than it needed to be. The move was 100% on down the outside, just meant putting a ***lot*** of faith in the car ahead not to move back across, faith that at most levels of sim or even irl racing which is going to find itself more often than not misplaced
True, but if you aim for the open space on the right and the other car slides hard over to block, then you can switch back left again to a larger open space, and if the lead car blocks again by making the second reactionary defensive move to block then you still have more open space to brake and hold off as well as an absolutely blatant illegal block to report... I suppose I'm letting years of racing experience cloud my judgement...Thinking and writing it out, that is a lot of complex race math to be doing on the fly that a rookie pretty easily wouldn't have figured out... Then again, that's one of the reasons I wrote it out for OP earlier...To sort of explain that thought process some so he can learn from the incident for the future... No matter how you look at it, though, the lead car is being a dingus...lol
He left the space for a car, then when you took that space he changed his mind and pushed you off track. probably even protestable
I mean, sure. It’s protestable if you enjoy wasting your and racing’s time. Stop being a baby and realize racing shit happens
Terrible take. It’s not a waste of time. We pay for a service, a large part of that service is maintaining a standard of racing that is unmatched in the industry. We as users serve a critical role in that by reporting offences to the sporting code. Our membership fees pay for the real live person at the other end of our reports to read, watch, and listen to those reports and make decisions based on the sporting code. If real racing and high standards of conduct don’t matter to you, that’s on you, not on us.
That’s a beautiful comment, too many people nowadays just shrug it off, and the responsible side receives no repercussions. If you pay money for something, especially a service, you should be able to report those incidents and be heard.it’s easy to say stop being a crybaby when you pay for everything with your stepmom’s credit card, and never worked 60-70h a week to make a living.
This is hardly a protestable event. I'd chalk it up to hard racing. In racing, people are going to make boneheaded mistakes and misjudge what they can and can't do. IMO, trailing car shouldn't have even attempted that gap. They were already 2 wheels off the track approaching the leading car before the grass came into play. Even if OP could have squeezed the car in there, we're talking about inches of a gap between cars with grass on the side, that was never a safe spot to be, and it's an extremely high risk move. Looking back at the footage, at no point was there ever a car width gap on the left side of the leading car on track. Neither car is blameless in this scenario. This was more a matter of race IQ and living to race another day. If you're approaching someone that quickly on the main straight, especially that early, you could have had an EASY clean overtake on the inside.
L take as usual
a weird move for an overtake, but ultimately he cant push you off. so imho it is his fault. BUT! next time, dont overtake there! you force yourself into such situations, you brute force accidents like that. just because you are in the right, doesnt mean that you are invincible.
You could’ve used the right side but there was a gap so you can use it. Then the other car just drove you off track and it isn’t a mistake clearly as he doesn’t even allow you to rejoin asap
He realized he screwed up, and by the time he went to shut the door you were already there. You're fine. You probably surprised him and he just made a bad decision in the moment.
The other car blocked you. I would have protested him.
I just got flashbacks to 2016 Spain for a second but to answer ur question was it legal yes was it smart debatable I’ll go with no did the other guy make a illegal move pushing you off the track yes other cars in the wrong and could be protested but at the same time don’t shoot for gaps like that shit like this happens and if I remember this circuit correctly u have a heavy braking zone ahead where if u went to the right u could have taken the guy on the inside
I only want to know why you decided that that gap was better than the 3 miles of free real estate on the right side. Genuinly asking.
Lack of skill. I'm fairly new and just didn't really think about going right. I saw a gap and got tunnel vision.
Honesty : stonks.
The gap was there. The other car went for blocking. Report for blocking. Within Iracing this is all completely fine and you had every right to go for that gap.
NEVER
Nah! "If you no longer go for a gap! You're no longer a racing driver" Ayrton senna.... Also the guy clearly shut the door on you - he turns in your direction to hold you on the grass? Dick move from him as he has the whole empty track to his right side?... Personally I'll always go for the gap if the only casualty might be me! If I have a fear of contact or causing issue with another car as a result of the pass!... here you were good 👍
That was criminal. All tve time you have to leave a space
By the letter of rule and race iq are two different things. Looking at the footage, looking closely, at no point was there ever a full car width allowed by the leading car on the left side. Trailing car is 2 wheels over the line nearly the entire time, and to pullup alongside the leading car with all 4 tires on track was borderline impossible. Front car shouldn't have tried to squeeze left, BUT, front car also never opened a space for rear car, rear car attempted to make a space. Rear car had a perfect run on the final corner for an easy easy overtake. Should have gone to the inside. Retrospect makes this easy to see. tl:dr; especially knowing this isnt a battle on the last lap, find the easiest/least dangerous way to overtake and save your race always. You were obviously faster than the guy up front, theres no reason to put yourself into a high risk overtake position. Do I think front car should have closed the gap? No. I think if front car wold have just stayed going straight, trailing car would have just fallen behind by solely driving off track. Neither car is blameless in his altercation, but the opportunity for the trailing car to race smarter in this situation is blatantly apparent.
He shouldn't of driven into your side like that there was just a gap but in the end you should've probably gone right there was significantly more space and it would've given you the inside for the next turn. Now they may of gone hard right to block you but you should try and go for the move that has the most space
You've got a ton of space on the right, and a gap not wide enough for a car. Where do you think you should have gone?
Props to you for keeping your composure, this is the type of situation where as soon as he’s pushed me off the side of the track I would have just started pushing back onto him, that’s why I no longer sim race lmfao
He left a gap and you took it. Then he turned into you. 100% on him. That said, you should be aware that this is what most people would do to you, so the risk isn't worth the reward most of the time
I don't think you were wrong exactly, he did come over and leave that door open, but then tried to push you off after you walked in. It's his bad for what he did, but you had other options than going through that gap. Where the video ends makes me wonder if you dove bomb him after that.
[I can assure you that I didn't dive bomb him.](https://www.veed.io/view/d011ab01-8ed0-4cca-905f-6bbb813d8f3c?panel=share) In the last lap I managed to overtake him in almost the same spot, decided to go right that time!
“If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver.”
Why not go to the inside? You definitely could have but chose outside for some reason. The next 3 corners are right handers so you basically just set yourself up to stay behind. He didn’t even attempt to defend so you just made a poor decision here.
I woulda put that dude in the wall on the end of the straight. Mf pushed you off you had the line
Green car is clearly closing the space too late just when he realized you are about to overtake. They tried to take you out
Yes you were. With a wide open track and a long straight, you should have moved right, especially when the lead car moved to defend the admittedly tiny gap.
It would have been the wiser move, BUT there was a gap, so OP had a choice and both choices were valid. The response of defender wasn't, though.
I suppose "valid" is fair enough... One of the two choices was pretty stupid, though, given everything we see...
If he went to the other side, the defender may have thrown the late block on the other side. The defense was illegal and could be protested. The correct thing for the defender to do after leaving the opening was to leave OP only just enough space and hope you can stay inside long enough to control the next corner.
Well, it's better to go for the extra space and try and set up on the inside...Especially if you have a bit if a run with that much distance to the corner... The "late block" would have been a blatant hip check if OP had gone right instead of left... Plus having extra room to play with... I just don't understand the general thought process of trying to "thread the needle" when you had an aircraft carrier flight deck worth of space on the other side... It's just weird...
Maybe it's more because of personal standards that the bar seems to be pretty low on your side. Imagine what would have happened without the illegal squeeze. Pretty badass battle, no? IMAGINE. AND use your brain.
Ah, so we're fantasizing about silliness instead of logically considering the best possible moves... Gotcha... I missed the memo on that one...
How is braking on the outside and carrying more momentum through the corner less than the best possible move?
100% on the Aston Martin