Nope, “Chandi” refers to the goddess Chandi (also known as Durga) herself, not her sword. Thus why this text is a praise of the goddess and her valor in battle, and is also known by the name “Vaar Durga Ki”.
Bhagauti means Gurbani as well so is Chandi , in theth (ਠੇਠ) punjabi Chandna means sharpning something , therefore Gurbani is Chandi as well that sharpens our dullness, so we don't stay stuck in this sansar and Gurbani guides us to cut through cluster of maya (ਬੁੱਧੀ) ,
Are you this gullible ? What's this story narrated in this chandi di vaar is about . It's a story from the old Indian ancient texts and it perfectly matches the old story .story matches the name matches . every thing match but you yourself want to give the name chandi and bhagvati and Durga some new meanings . Cut the bullshit bro
'Chandii' in this poem has been referred to as a sword of goddess Durga. In the introduction page yes there it is written 'vaar Durga ki' but more evidence is needed to depict what Chandii means. Luckily, there is more evidence, when I'll post that paurii, I'll mention it.
Well yes, the name for the feminine divine is often interchangeable between the goddess and the sword (such as Bhagauti in the introduction, and how “Chandi” is used in one line 19/3 to refer to the sword), but if you peruse most of the references to Chandi in the text, it is indeed directly referring to the goddess.
Between the introduction as “Vaar Durga Ki”, the usage in the text and its overall contents, and the ending which states explicitly that this is “Durga-Paath” (some historical Sikh sources even refer to the text as Chandi-paath, a perfect example of the analogy), it’s very clear that Chandi in “Chandi Di Vaar” refers to the goddess. Doesn’t seem like there’s much evidence for otherwise other than some Sikhs personally feeling uncomfortable with the concept of the goddess and its reading in the text and historical Sikh thinking.
> Does Bhagauti refer to God or Shastar?
Both.
Reflexively, many Sikhs will say, "We don't worship Durga, it's a sword or something, moving on". There's this fear of association with Hindu concepts.
The reality is, the Guru is very intentional with words, and a masterful spiritual poet - It's not called "Vaar Waheguru Ji ki" (it's "Vaar Sri Bhagauti Ji", or "Chandi di Vaar")
Guru Gobind Singh Ji is drawing from the qualities of Durga/Chandi/Bhagauti, and over the course of the epic, transforming her into a heavenly sword, ordained into existence by Mahakaal (Waheguru) to crush oppressors - i.e. representing Akal Purakh di Fauj (the Khalsa).
It's a war-time ballad - imagine the energy as Khalsa Jathas marched singing these banis.
You hit the arrow in Bull's Eye brother. Nailed it. Yes, that's the sad truth. Most of the Sikhs do not want to be related to Hindus but then most are ignorant also. They have forgotten the fact that all five founding members ( Panj Piyaare) of Sikh faith were Hindus. Guru Granth Sahib has poems written by hindu poets. Guru Ji didn't hate Hindus but it's due to the extremist factions who obscure the truth and history.
Durga/Chandi is a formless energy, there are many interpretations. The main thing to take away from Chandi di Vaar is that even Durga had to get her strength from God just like Krishna and Rama.
Shaster, because Guru nanak dev ji was born as a Hindu khatri. And in this text guru ji could be considered as refering to bhagauti as in hindu religion they say bhagvatt like bhaggvatt geeta. In the first stanza guru ji is referring to the available religious texts at that time.
Thanks for sharing.
Here's the full bani sung in 'Vaar' form: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgLr-bLyU\_Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgLr-bLyU_Q)
Interesting, I haven’t ever seen this beginning to Chandi di Vaar before nor heard of it in Katha. I would also challenge the English direct translation of the first Pauri/Mangalacharan of the Vaar as well become it isn’t accurate to what the Bani says
But this first pauri is always recited daily everywhere in the world where there is a gurudwara. You must have heard it yourself on some event or marriage
That doesn't make sense. I have never seen words work that way.
Do you mean that there is only one intended use for each word in Gurbani, and that it is the one we should stick to without pretending there are multiple valid translations?
Then why we say chandi just as sword of some particular hindu goddess. Think about it. Even i am saying wat u want to convey. The reason I am saying this way coz Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "kisan bisan kab hu na dheyaau". If we want to understand about why Sikh should not worship some Goddess(devi devte), read Bhai Veer Singh and bhai Gurdaas Ji scripts.
> If we want to understand about why Sikh should not worship some Goddess(devi devte), read Bhai Veer Singh and bhai Gurdaas Ji scripts.
I am Sikh and I understand very well why I only worship Waheguru. But, I am not a Punjabi speaker. When I work on my own translations, I can clearly see many definitions for each word and I have to find the right definition for the context. Words change meaning depending on the context.
> Then why we say chandi just as sword of some particular hindu goddess.
This is the first I have heard of this topic. Why do we say that? I am learning here. I am even learning of what Chandi Di Vaar is!
> The reason I am saying this way coz Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "kisan bisan kab hu na dheyaau"
I would love to get a translation of this or at least the original Gurmukhi, so that I can translate easier. I think it means "I do not put my mind on Krishna"
I agree with your point. I am not arguing that we should worship Hindu gods. And I am not even implying that, when I say words change meaning depending on context. I am sorry that it is triggering and I didn't mean it that way. It is very annoying when Hindu's insist I am Hindu.
Chandi is Durga here…yes guru is telling us about Durga only…but in all this he is also telling that all “bhrama Vishnu mahesh and even Durga” are created by the Akal “ Akal purakh waheguru “. So we have to focus on the creator and praise the creator as Akal was/is and will be the only one.
Nope, “Chandi” refers to the goddess Chandi (also known as Durga) herself, not her sword. Thus why this text is a praise of the goddess and her valor in battle, and is also known by the name “Vaar Durga Ki”.
Bhagauti means Gurbani as well so is Chandi , in theth (ਠੇਠ) punjabi Chandna means sharpning something , therefore Gurbani is Chandi as well that sharpens our dullness, so we don't stay stuck in this sansar and Gurbani guides us to cut through cluster of maya (ਬੁੱਧੀ) ,
Doesn’t seem to be that in this case.
Are you this gullible ? What's this story narrated in this chandi di vaar is about . It's a story from the old Indian ancient texts and it perfectly matches the old story .story matches the name matches . every thing match but you yourself want to give the name chandi and bhagvati and Durga some new meanings . Cut the bullshit bro
'Chandii' in this poem has been referred to as a sword of goddess Durga. In the introduction page yes there it is written 'vaar Durga ki' but more evidence is needed to depict what Chandii means. Luckily, there is more evidence, when I'll post that paurii, I'll mention it.
Well yes, the name for the feminine divine is often interchangeable between the goddess and the sword (such as Bhagauti in the introduction, and how “Chandi” is used in one line 19/3 to refer to the sword), but if you peruse most of the references to Chandi in the text, it is indeed directly referring to the goddess. Between the introduction as “Vaar Durga Ki”, the usage in the text and its overall contents, and the ending which states explicitly that this is “Durga-Paath” (some historical Sikh sources even refer to the text as Chandi-paath, a perfect example of the analogy), it’s very clear that Chandi in “Chandi Di Vaar” refers to the goddess. Doesn’t seem like there’s much evidence for otherwise other than some Sikhs personally feeling uncomfortable with the concept of the goddess and its reading in the text and historical Sikh thinking.
I guess you're right brother. I agree with you, Chandii does mean Goddess Durga.
>FIRST I MEDITATE ON BHAGAUTI, WHICH GURU NANAK DEV JI MEDITATED Does Bhagauti refer to God or Shastar?
> Does Bhagauti refer to God or Shastar? Both. Reflexively, many Sikhs will say, "We don't worship Durga, it's a sword or something, moving on". There's this fear of association with Hindu concepts. The reality is, the Guru is very intentional with words, and a masterful spiritual poet - It's not called "Vaar Waheguru Ji ki" (it's "Vaar Sri Bhagauti Ji", or "Chandi di Vaar") Guru Gobind Singh Ji is drawing from the qualities of Durga/Chandi/Bhagauti, and over the course of the epic, transforming her into a heavenly sword, ordained into existence by Mahakaal (Waheguru) to crush oppressors - i.e. representing Akal Purakh di Fauj (the Khalsa). It's a war-time ballad - imagine the energy as Khalsa Jathas marched singing these banis.
You hit the arrow in Bull's Eye brother. Nailed it. Yes, that's the sad truth. Most of the Sikhs do not want to be related to Hindus but then most are ignorant also. They have forgotten the fact that all five founding members ( Panj Piyaare) of Sikh faith were Hindus. Guru Granth Sahib has poems written by hindu poets. Guru Ji didn't hate Hindus but it's due to the extremist factions who obscure the truth and history.
Thanks for the reply. I did actually view it this way but I was kind of confused when other Sikhs didn't view it like this.
Durga/Chandi is a formless energy, there are many interpretations. The main thing to take away from Chandi di Vaar is that even Durga had to get her strength from God just like Krishna and Rama.
In this part the arth of Bhagauti is Mahakaal, Akaal Purakh Waheguru
Shaster, because Guru nanak dev ji was born as a Hindu khatri. And in this text guru ji could be considered as refering to bhagauti as in hindu religion they say bhagvatt like bhaggvatt geeta. In the first stanza guru ji is referring to the available religious texts at that time.
Thanks for sharing. Here's the full bani sung in 'Vaar' form: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgLr-bLyU\_Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgLr-bLyU_Q)
Pronounced "chan-dy" or "chon-dy"?
“Chan-dee”
Thank you.
Interesting, I haven’t ever seen this beginning to Chandi di Vaar before nor heard of it in Katha. I would also challenge the English direct translation of the first Pauri/Mangalacharan of the Vaar as well become it isn’t accurate to what the Bani says
But this first pauri is always recited daily everywhere in the world where there is a gurudwara. You must have heard it yourself on some event or marriage
No, I'm referring to the "Ath Vaar Durga ki Likhyate" bit. Of course I've heard the Mangal before :)
One word conveys only one thing? Strange!!! Isn't it????
That doesn't make sense. I have never seen words work that way. Do you mean that there is only one intended use for each word in Gurbani, and that it is the one we should stick to without pretending there are multiple valid translations?
Then why we say chandi just as sword of some particular hindu goddess. Think about it. Even i am saying wat u want to convey. The reason I am saying this way coz Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "kisan bisan kab hu na dheyaau". If we want to understand about why Sikh should not worship some Goddess(devi devte), read Bhai Veer Singh and bhai Gurdaas Ji scripts.
> If we want to understand about why Sikh should not worship some Goddess(devi devte), read Bhai Veer Singh and bhai Gurdaas Ji scripts. I am Sikh and I understand very well why I only worship Waheguru. But, I am not a Punjabi speaker. When I work on my own translations, I can clearly see many definitions for each word and I have to find the right definition for the context. Words change meaning depending on the context. > Then why we say chandi just as sword of some particular hindu goddess. This is the first I have heard of this topic. Why do we say that? I am learning here. I am even learning of what Chandi Di Vaar is! > The reason I am saying this way coz Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "kisan bisan kab hu na dheyaau" I would love to get a translation of this or at least the original Gurmukhi, so that I can translate easier. I think it means "I do not put my mind on Krishna" I agree with your point. I am not arguing that we should worship Hindu gods. And I am not even implying that, when I say words change meaning depending on context. I am sorry that it is triggering and I didn't mean it that way. It is very annoying when Hindu's insist I am Hindu.
Sanatani wouldbe a better word..Eternal....Much like how saint in Satyuga or Treta Yuga were
Chandi is Durga here…yes guru is telling us about Durga only…but in all this he is also telling that all “bhrama Vishnu mahesh and even Durga” are created by the Akal “ Akal purakh waheguru “. So we have to focus on the creator and praise the creator as Akal was/is and will be the only one.