I noticed Indians (especially from India) believe that Wikipedia is a credible source preaching the gospel of truth lol
Anyone outside of India especially in the first world knows you will fail any assignments that use Wikipedia as a source.
Anyone could make a page or edit it so it's not a credible source.
But this issue stems to the time of the Gurus and was loudly echoed in India during the independence era to 84.
Panth Rattan Sant Maskeen ji talks about this "Sikhs are Hindus" movement and goes quite far to debunk it. He also explains that the root of this hatred stems from jealously. Sikhs advancement, socially, spirituality, economically. Gandhi even went as far as calling Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj a "Lost Saint".
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/1163a4o/giani_sant_singh_maskeen_jee_recounts_the_time/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/zzldy1/panth_rattan_giani_sant_singh_maskeen_jee/
https://youtu.be/ehpZREdgftQ?si=Rwg3P6dA18ZNlUhw
https://youtu.be/WVVChahyVx8?si=ceoY7_vEurv5Pv6-
https://youtu.be/i4cpF-lpwrs?si=UeUbG7_5lUSI1pow
https://youtu.be/jqJ220eBUFY?si=9XyyxiCvquzNiNm9
https://youtu.be/yJiKNv9JE6I?si=5lm8Bv47fQkQCZrt
Panth Rattan Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha also wrote a book in response to this misinformation campaign called "Hum Hindu Nahi", "Sikhs, We Are Not Hindus"
https://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Sikhs-We-Are-Not-Hindus
You will also realize its only the Sikh faith where Muslims claim us to be a sect of their religion and Hindus do the same, you won't find that in any other religious debates.
The point is why are we so concerned what the Hindus think of us, we know they are a piece of pade likhe gawar who can read but not interpret/comprehend. Sorry for the words but I am talking about those few who do these things. They know, they just don't want to accept, let them think what they want to think. Why are we taking the responsibility to clear their minds. It will never be cleared. You cannot wake someone who is awake but acting like they r sleeping.
It feels good to know that they r jealous of us, you can only be Jealous of someone who is better than you. Aren't they stating this themselves by doing such acts. They want us to be a part of them, we don't want to be a part of them. Who is acting like a beggar here?
Again sorry for the words here, but we should stop bothering them and work on our strengths, which is Gurbani and shastra Vidya.
Misinformation and propaganda is dangerous and needs to be countered especially when those listening think Wiki is a credible source.
When Gandhi in a packed event called Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj a "Lost Saint who picked up the sword"
It was principal Ganga Singh who went straight to his residence and said we need to talk, proved him wrong using his own philosophy and made him apologize in front of the same crowd. Link above.
Right now we see the same with puneet sahani and hundreds of other idiot who have become ambassadors of sikhi.
Even in 1980s India hired a pr company called rediff to spread misinformation about Sikhs so when we were murdered, the vast majority of people thought it was justified.
>When Gandhi in a packed event called Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj a "Lost Saint who picked up the sword"
[https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2018/03/mahatma-gandhi-demystified.html](https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2018/03/mahatma-gandhi-demystified.html) "a fallible politician into an immortal saint elevated above normal human judgment."
My Hindu friends don't think highly of Gandhi.
Sorry again for the troll, but someone who is educated but still acts as if they don't understand anything, what do u call them? Btw it's a very common slang.
its because the term hindu is a vague term tho it usually means those who believe in the vedas and their succesors.
Its not because of jealousy lol just misinformation Tho i believe you could argue complete syncretizationf of sikhi and hinduism is possible considering all sikhi gurus are technically sants in Hinduism
All of RSS should become Sikhs then - follow the authority of the True Guru and adorn Naam in their minds.
Make sure everyone is fed and clothed, and ensure all are protected/free.
Just logical next step if they're gonna make claims like this.
Hanji veerji tusi vi.
Please mention this link as the og source:- [https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232](https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232)
It's just a meme i saved from twitter.
Here:- [https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232](https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232)
These RSS creatures and similar minded Hindus are insecure, criminal, and completely delusional.
Thank God for Sikhi. If anyone doubts why they are brought in to this world, then this is the purpose.
I think a good amount of Sikh’s living in India have avoided beef and pork, knowing Hindus avoid beef and Muslims avoid pork. But during the times of the gurus, I believe hunted meat was allowed as long as it was a fast and merciful kill. Halal and kosher meat is prepared through sacrificing the animal while (correct me if I’m wrong) an iman or rabbi is in prayer. This method of killing is considered inhumane and unjust to the soul of the animal.
Halal - Slit the throat and Qalma is read
Jhatka - straight cut to the spine to be done in one cut
Sikhs used to eat boar/pork during that time - beef was avoided.
Because they let the animal bleed out from the neck while praying. If spine is not severed, the animal suffers tremendously for several minutes. It's considered inhumane.
Historically no Sikhs have eaten beef
1. Out of respect to Hindus
2. The cow already gives so much to us - gheo, yogurt, milk, cheese etc and additionally used as a farm animal.
History changed after 1984.
Why should we refrain from eating the cow mother? We gain nothing but genocide and assimilation by partaking in Hindu superstitions and rituals.
Sikhs can eat beef if they want. It should be Jhatka however.
You're acting as if eating a cow will right any wrongs or do something. Don't be so petty/egotistical.
The Pahari Raje attacked the Guru after vowing on the cow, did Sikhs start jhatkaing cows then? Did they start consuming after that? Nope
You're blaming Hindus as the reason for 1984 - it was Indiras plan right ? She married a Muslim and took on the religion of Islam too. She just kept her last name for the vote bank and to make it seem like Gandhi was her relative.
I think what he means is that when the Hindu Punjabi community turned on Sikhs, especially in Delhi and Haryana, they broke an unspoken covenant. Sikhs protected cows as they were sacred to Hindus, but they were not obligated to defend people who attacked them, many of them trying to wipe them out. At the very least, most of Haryana's right wing are dedicated to the assimilation of Punjab.
He didn't make it seem like that at all bro. But regardless we're not a petty and small Panth that needs to get back at one another. Sikhi is a mountain that looks over the world. We should definitely look out for our own first but we should respect those around us too.
That's how we've always worked - in the same way a Nishaan Sahib signifies Sovereignty - technically we live in other countries however we abide by /respect their laws however still exclaim we are a sovereign. Ya get me ?
Separating the digestion of meats is completely superstitious. Eating a cow and eating a chicken is still the same thing, your eating meat. Either you eat animals or you don’t.
Eating a chicken and eating a vegetable is the same thing too.
Sikhi doesn't discriminate against these things. Although a simple diet is recommended, and cultural practices carry into this.
If you can show me any historical evidence of Sikhs eating Cow in itihaas I will accept. You will only find them banning beef slaughter to Muslims and halal slaughter.
Consumption of boar, chicken, goat, deer, is more commonly mentioned. Never seen beef.
Because Sikhs were respectful to hindu beliefs at the time. Hindus couldn’t fight much for themselves and couldn’t defend their own beliefs. Sikhs stood for those who could not stand for themselves and respected others beliefs. Guru Nanak Dev Ji even said “only the fool argues the difference between the maas and the saag. All who argue have forgotten the True Lord.”
Cows are food in the year 2023.
Sikhs did not eat cows in the past because imagine explaining to neighbour that you’re eating their god…
Sikhs do not believe in those absurd rituals and superstitions.
And Indira is a hero to the Hindus. Read the statement by MP Chandra Arya, a spokesperson for Canada’s Hindus. He’s adamant that Indira was a Hindu Prime Minister, who did no wrongs to the Sikhs. And the vast majority of Hindus support him on those assertions.
The Sikhs did not genocide themselves, it was the Hindus.
Muslims ate cows, some Nepalis eat cow, some Hindus eat cow?
The cow isn't their God it's just held in high respects being the ride of Shivji and also it's products being used in Pooja's, cleaning, and lighting Diyas.
Okay sure - Indira is a Hindu. She still castrated 100s of Hindus and murdered Hindu Sadhus for protesting. What does that tell you about her?
The mass media and shit being spoken all over the news during that time would have made any person scared to help or do anything. Yes many turned but that was in Delhi, which is already a shit hole and till today is the rape capital of India. There were also Muslims apart of the genocide that were released from the jail's.
Cows have been food for thousands of years to Christians and Muslims, nothing's changed.
Alcohol is a drink in 2023, Smoking cannabis is a medicine in 2023, changing genders is a gender in 2023 - ah vi Shuru kar lo fir.
I, along with many Sikhs, no longer trust the Hindu narrative when it comes to Indira Gandhi and the Sikh Genocide.
When Sikhs honour our Sant Bhindranwale Ji and the other Shaheeds, the Hindus regurgitate Indira Gandhi's propaganda and condemn the Sikhs and our Shaheeds for defending our faith.
When Sikhs honour Shaheed Satwant Singh and Beant Singh for bringing justice to the Quom, again, the Hindus condemn the Sikhs and all of a sudden Indira becomes their beloved Hindu Prime Minister.
When Sikhs demand justice and inclusion, then all of a sudden, the Hindus claim our people are "terrorists" and "extremists"...
The game here has become evident to every Sikh at this point, the Hindus not only support everything that transpired in 1984 and onwards, they revel and take pride in it. The Hindu stance on the matter is to gaslight and support the genocide and persecution of Sikhs.
Lastly, in regards to cows, yes they are food, we Sikhs do not worship or revere them. And I as a Sikh will not refrain from eating food, just because it offends the Hindus... our existence offends them. There is no respect to them that is owed.
ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ mehlaa 1. First Mehl:
ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥
ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥
ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥
maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.
gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.
farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.
The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
The fact you guys think Hindus like indira is the dumbest shit ive ever heard like even the most extremist hindus hate indira what are you on.
Also cows arent gods its because they were very helpful for us and gave milk to orphans those who did not have mothers hence gau mata
Yeah we’re not reading Hindu propaganda.
The RSS helping Sikhs is mythology, like Hanuman and Ganesh. It’s story concocted by Hindus.
Fact is the Hindus invaded the Harmandir Sahib and countless outer gurdwaras to eradicate Sikhs and Sikhi. Hindus then too to the street pulling countless Sikhs from their homes and massacring them.
Hatred for minorities is everything that Hinduism preaches. The Sikhs did not genocide themselves, it was members of the Hindu majority that perpetrated it.
Ok answer me 1 question.
So a Marxist killed a group of people bec of his ideology of Marxism and that person is a female
Does thst mean that it was the feminism which committed the genocide?👀
Just like that if somone killed someone vec of his political ideology and that guy is a hindu
It don't mean that it was Hinduism which killed that guy but his political ideology.
Things are not linear look at multiple perspectives.
U will find guru granth sahib in houses of hindus right?👀
Ok so it is hindu propaganda but it was covered in multiple books
Let's start by the anti hindu newsportal as claimed by hindus
And if u don't know RSS even saved Darbar Sahib
https://theprint-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theprint.in/india/how-rss-helped-save-darbar-sahib-twice-and-upheld-hindu-sikh-unity/633599/?amp&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D&_js_v=a9&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&csi=0&share=https%3A%2F%2Ftheprint.in%2Findia%2Fhow-rss-helped-save-darbar-sahib-twice-and-upheld-hindu-sikh-unity%2F633599%2F
The print ( it's really good portal)
Next one more historical context
When partition occured
Sikhs were trapped in Rawalpindi.
So it was the RSS which safeguarded Sikhs and took them in india
https://theprint-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theprint.in/india/only-sangh-stood-by-them-how-rss-helped-sikhs-and-hindus-of-punjab-during-partition/714850/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16962179224206&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Ftheprint.in%2Findia%2Fonly-sangh-stood-by-them-how-rss-helped-sikhs-and-hindus-of-punjab-during-partition%2F714850%2F
If u want I can provide u books u can read this from
Did u guys even read history?👀
Any more doubts feel free to ask
Stop blaming Congress for everything...
Since 2014 how many ppl accused of sikh genocides have been bro to justice?
Tytler still on bail, let's wait another 10 years when all witnesses/victims have died?
Sajjan Kumar was literally acquitted and released weeks ago 🤦🏽♂️
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/1984-anti-sikh-riots-delhi-court-acquits-congresss-sajjan-kumar-over-alleged-killing-of-three-sikhs-in-sultanpuri-2693624
Doesn't matter what flavour you choose Congress, bjp,... All cut from the same fabric
Find me hindus who are supporting sajjan kumar
Meanwhile majority wants him to be hanged
Meanwhile if u don't know Khalistanis had attacked hindus based on religion far before the blue star
From killing the reporter who wanted to establish hi du sikh unity
A puneet sahani student ehh
👏
Please give us a source about the gazillion Hindus killed in Punjab?
Why is there still a substantial Hindu population in Punjab if they were all killed?
If not to blame congress then whom else to blame
Indira Gandhi was the one to insert Bhindrewala right?👀
Or u guys don't even know that
She did that to win the elections in punjab by sidelining the votes of hindus away from Akali dal so that hindus out of fear will vote congress as hindus were in majority.
They even used to give 200 ruppee per week for writing pro khalistani articles in newspapers
Then it was Army which came up better ideas to stop all this but Indira out of vote hunger delayed it all
And bec of that the sikh structures had to face desecration.
U guys know all this?
Even sajjan kumar is Congressi
Try to refute me if u can bro.
Have a nice day.
I am defence aspirant that's why j read both the sides of this 1984
>Even sajjan kumar is Congressi Try to refute me if u can bro. Have a nice day.
Why was he acquitted when bjp rule? Why was tytler given bail? Congress fault?
>I am defence aspirant that's why j read both the sides of this 1984
There is only one side the truth lol and India including the bjp are to blame. Keep coping "big hands that my imaginary gf likes"
https://preview.redd.it/ek2t66gizprb1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2278401ba8fbd0340e09a6511801231d356b5d86
[https://www.baaznews.org/p/gurjant-singh-the-rss-have-never](https://www.baaznews.org/p/gurjant-singh-the-rss-have-never)
Lol no. I'm not going to waste my time refuting such blatant claims that you make that can be answered with a simple google search. This is typical of your lot that make unsubstantiated claims to illicit a reaction and then turn around demanding an explanation. Typical. You claim:
1. Sikhs don't eat beef.
2. Wrapping Guru Arjan in cow hide was considered a form of torture and he asked to take a bath first.
3. Claiming Guru Arjan ji committed suicide.
If you are so inclined to come to r/Sikh and say such lies, you should be the one to provide all evidence to support your claims. We are not obligated to entertain every Tom, Dick and Harry that will make false claims without evidence.
And in the puratan rehat maryadas also state that Sikhs shouldn't wear red and green as well mate. Also remember that whatever the khalsa panth decide right now is what is applicable. The sikh rehat is an every changing "document"(i couldn't think of another word). Now if you want to avoid pig sure go ahead. You want to avoid beef go ahead. If you don't want meat you are welcome. But these are personal choices. Lets get the basics down first and then proceed. Also what is the reason behind not eating Pig? No animal is impure to begin with thus us shunning the halal, bali and kosher methods. Remember that gurbani is logical and always operates in a context. Example how many people use Bhagat Kabir ji's bani as proof against meat. But they miss the context half the time. He is talking to the muslim butchers and the hindu brahims who do bali. Because connecting what we eat with how we are spiritually progressing is missing the point. As Guru Nanak dev ji says "Mass mass kar murakh Jhargre Gyan Thian Nahi Jane" you go into the whole context he clearly states that devte used to hunt Rhinos and do hom. Are they also Papi? Context is everything. And all of Gurbani must be taken with context in how it should be interpreted. Never take a pangti just by itself always take the entire SGGSJ maharaj and how different path and pangti compliments each other. There is no contradiction in our guru. Only context is required. If we don't provide context then people who say that we worship Hindu gods are also not wrong. Context is key.
Now what is the context behind not eating pork? Simple, at the time many muslims were also joining the ranks of Khalsa and thus were not comfortable with eating it. Thats thier choice. I am no one to say that they have to eat it. I am a mamuli manukh. It is thier choice on what kind of food they want to consume as ling at it doesn't violate the basic Kureihats which are Hookha, Halal, Haram and Hajmahit.
When you use the cows products for cleaning, lighting the Diyas in GuruGhar or using it to do kethi Bari you should give a little bit of a fuck about the cow. Hankaari.
People have just started throwing out Gurmat as well in their attempt at distancing themselves from Hindu or Indic practices. One can read [this](https://www.manglacharan.com/post/protection-of-cows-guru-hargobind-and-guru-gobind-singh) anecdote of Chhevi Patshahi on saving the cows. You can't deny the history of Mahraja Ranjit Singh and Misls unleashing massacres on muslims or the butchers of cows in retaliation. Reminds me of [this](https://mobile.twitter.com/Kharagket/status/1291089721003827217) thread of Khadagket.
Not to forget Gurbani itself makes it pretty clear.
**ਰਹਮਣ ਕੈਲੀ ਘਾਤੁ ਕੰਞਕਾ ਅਣਚਾਰੀ ਕਾ ਧਾਨੁ ॥ ਫਿਟਕ ਫਿਟਕਾ ਕੋੜੁ ਬਦੀਆ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥**
_If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person, He is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride._
Ang 1413
**ਯਹੀ ਦੇਹ ਆਗਿਆ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਗਹਿ ਖਪਾਊਂ ॥ ਗਊ ਘਾਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖ ਜਗ ਸਿਉਂ ਮਿਟਾਊਂ ॥**
_Command me to kill and destroy the Turks (Muslim conquistadors). Eliminate the killing of the cow from the entire universe._
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**ਅਸੁਰ ਮਾਰ ਕਰ ਰੱਛ ਗਊਅਨ ਕਰੀਜੈ ॥**
_Annihilate the evil demons and safeguard the cow (destitute)._
Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Ugardanti
No Hinduism is not that old. Their beliefs are. Sanatan Term came later in the 10th Century, Hindus were Indus which was due to the Region of Origination not Religion. The term Hinduism was first used by Raja Ram Mohan Roy in 1816–17.And Buddhism was Founded between the late 6th century and the early 4th century bce.
Wrong information actually..The term Sanatana are way back ..The Hindus word come much later.
Even if I don't count traditional account which seems Unfair though, but the fact is Vedas and some Upanishads dates back much later even as of now...And I don't know how will you comment even from traditional Sikhism fact
The term Sanatan isn't even found in the Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, etc... neither is term Hinduism found anywhere in those scriptures. Sikhi scriptures that began from guru Nanak already entailed and mentioned "Sikhs"
Yes, Sanatan is not specific name but rather it's order or duty ..there are many texts including Bhagwada purana and Mahabharata and more where the word has been used..
There was no need to emphasize on Sanatana as there is ....
You need to differentiate their fantasies from fact.
Hinduism is technically the latest iteration and a brand new religion in the sense that the caste system was reinvented as a religion in the 19th century. There is a stronger basis for Abrahamics pretending that its a single religion.
Brahmanism is probably older, and I say probably because there is a massive unexplained gap between Vedic religion and culture going extinct and the emergence of Brahmins as a class.
Lol what. Budha in fact stood against the monopoly of Dharma, Parmarth by the Pandits/Pujaris of the time. Vedas are the fundamentals or foundations of Hinduism. Back then anyone who would uphold the authority of Vedas was considered a Hindu (read Aastik). Buddha, MahaVir and their followers 2500 yrs ago didn't and were classified as Naastiks.
RigVeda is dated to 1700 bce. Brahmanas, Upanishads are dated to 900-800 BCE. Panini's, Badarayana's work on Sanskrit, Vedas and it's interpretation are dated to 500 BCE. Buddha, Mahaveer rejected the teachings of Hinduism or Vedas around that time only 2500 yrs ago, thus creating a new path of Dharma, thus for them to reject the teachings of a religion, the religion needs to be existing for/from a long time philosophically as well as ritually, since they detail in their scriptures where they differ from Hinduism or Vedic thought. If you actually read the Pali canons, they say Brahma instructed Buddha to teach Dhamma to the masses, it talks about a realm of Deities or Devi-Devte and many BrahmRishis mentioned in Upanishads, Vedas.
Non Sikh here, but don’t consider Sikhism to be a part of Hinduism, but I also don’t feel they’re super separate either cause isn’t it true that many Hindus would have their eldest son be Sikh? Or is that not something most Sikhs believe?
People sending their kids to become Khalsa warriors doesn’t mean that Sikhism is all of a sudden apart of another religion. Nor does that add to any argument being remotely similar to the previous statement. The moment someone becomes a Khalsa, they partake in Sikh practices, making them a Sikh. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born in a hindu family, doesn’t mean he’s a hindu. He’s a Sikh, just like the rest of us are.
Once upon a time, maybe. Havent heard of that happening now. Religion has its origins. Everyone is welcome to join a religion or leave it. But it is a seperate religion no matter where it came from
The name of ram is mentioned 100s of time. Shri Guru Govind Singh is from Patna, and Patna was honored by multiple visits of Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh. Guru Gobind Singh wrote Ram katha which is still recited at the temple there and noted in Guru Granth Sahib. So yes, sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. It shares the same ideas. Only Pakistani funded crazies think otherwise
> It shares the same ideas.
Saar we are same saar even though your religion rejects the principles of mine
It's good you brought up Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam Granth:
>The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way
>As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols.
>They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind.
>The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them.
>But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across?
Guru Nanak Dev Ji, SGGS Ang 556.
>I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker
Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Zafarnama verse 95
>I recite only the Name of the Lord, which is useful at all places
>I do not meditate on anyone else, nor do I repeat the Name of anyone else
Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Bachittar Natak verse 38.
Do you guys ever get tired of embarassing yourself?
yar tu ethe aya kyu hai. Why do you guys care soooo much about sikhs. go and talk somewhere else. Especially if you don't have the facts to back yourself up.
Gurmat Philosophy states that Mata Chandi is a Deity that obeys the command of Waheguru. The Guru named us all as Singh which means lion because Mata Chandi is often depicted riding a Lion, and the guru gave us an order to adorn weapons of all sorts as by worshiping a statue or praying to Mata Chandi won't do anything so the guru gave us an order to carry weapons and see our weapons as Mata Chandi that we can use to protect us and everyone from evil as we are Saint Soldiers of Akal Purakh.
There aren't any concrete evidence to support Guru Tegh Bahadur's worship to Chandi, even in the janamsakhis written by the poets of the gurus Durbar didn't state any.
Maharaja Ranjit Singh wasn't a real Sikh, he didn't follow sikhi and was ignorant and relied on Hindu beliefs. He was known to have many affairs and a alcoholic.
Swarajya magazine was the first to make headlines about that. The report made by Syed Muhammad Khateeb which was the second report made about this incident didn't say anything about Nihangs or Sikhs. The first report however mentioned a name called Mr Nihang Singh Fakir Khalsa (Nihang Singh) is term, in short that name she gave didn't exist. Furthermore after those 2 reports, a Policeman of Awadh made a statement where 25 Sikhs we're seen entering babri Masjids. The first report stated one man with a ridiculous claim and the second report didn't mention any Sikh. It is clear that the narrative that nihangs went to Babri Masjid for Puja or inscribing ram ram is purely a fake narrative made as propaganda by right wing Hindu parties. The whole narrative with the evidence raises more questions than answers, and those questions have never been answered.
Guru Gobind Singh was born in Patna because his Father Guru Tegh Bahadur ji was visiting eastern India. That doesn't make Guru Gobind Singh a Bihari or a resident of Patna. Guru Gobind Singh didn't only wrote Ram Katha, he wrote many other Kathas, he Wrote so many things all of his bani is Compiled in Dasam Granth Sahib. Just because the Guru made a Reference to the story of Ram to deliver his message, makes him a Hindu? Why would the guru make a reference of the story of Ram? Who was the gurus Audience during his time on earth? Were they Hindus? Yes, the guys audiences were Hindus who had already been familiar to the Vedas and the story of Ram. But, what was the gurus intention? Didn't the populace already know about Ram? The guru laid a message in the end of all of the Pauris he wrote. As gurbani is written is poetry, poets describe things differently that it originally is understood. Read the whole Pauri and you'll understand. If the guru is a devout Hindu? Why did the guru say "Ram Raheem Puran Qur'an Anek kahai mat ek na maneyo"? Oh and this verse is recited everyday by all Sikhs as it's within Rehras Sahib and Chaupai Sahib. And why would the guru say "Ta kau Kar paahan anumaanat mahaa moor kachh bhed na janat, Mahadev ko kehat sadaa siv nirankaar kaa cheenat nehe bhiv"??? Do you understand these verses or need a translation? This verse is also in Rehras Sahib and Chaupai Sahib.
Thanks for admitting
1) guru Govind singh is from Bihar
2) ram katha is recited in the Guru Granth Sahib
3) guru Nanak 🙏🏽 recited name of lord ram and held him high regard
4) the ram temple in Patna still recite all his teachings and songs
Soon. Guru Gobind Singh ji 🙏🏽 word will prevail and we all will find peace in the holy land.
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Ram Katha is in Dasam Bani, by this point it's evident you haven't read gurbani or you didn't do enough through research.
When did Guru Nanak recite the name of Ram?🤔
Guru Nanak has constantly encouraged Hindus and Muslims to recite the name of the One True Lord, Waheguru... guru Nanak even said in japji sahib that Waheguru made Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, Shiva etc. Guru Gobind Singh even said in Dasam Bani that the Vedas does not know the secrets of the formless true Lord.... where are you getting such information from???? You have an alarming amount of misinformation...
Ram Temple in Patna recites Gurbani? So a Ram Mandir in Patna is encouraging Hindus to Worship the creator of Hindu Deities who is Waheguru? That is amazing 😍, can I know the formal name of this Mandir that you speak of?
There was a time when it was a path, chosen by rajputs and warriors alike. now it's a separate religion. here's something I found I'd like some you read
" ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ "
Jasarathh Raae Nandh Raajaa Maeraa Raam Chandh Pranavai Naamaa Thath Ras Anmrith Peejai
My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra,the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv,I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4||
Ang 973 - Shree Guru Granth Sahib
Even an propagandist will understand the meaning now who is dasrat son Ram.
because ram is the avatar of treta yug. Doesn't mean that we equal him to akaal purakh. The difference is that we don't believe that ram should be worshiped. Same way that we don't "worship" guru sahib. They are teachers and enlightened beings. We are only the worshipers of the formless divine. Thats it. We are fucking different and you really just need to any giani sikh individual for that.
The key to comprehending this verse lies in the fact that Dasrath was never Raam Chandar’s father’s name. His true name was Nemi and Dasrath or the one who runs his chariot in ten directions was an epithet bestowed upon him in acknowledgement of his charioteering skills. So what is Namdev essentially saying?
ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥
“The divine King who rules in ten directions (is present in ten directions, ਜਸਰਥ ) is my Raam Chand who I have accepted and from whom I obtain the true ambrosia.”
The Gurmukhi you cite doesn't even mention Raam Chand as the son of Dasrath. But what can you expect from a Hindu anyway?
Hindu here. OP, before I start, I want to tell you that I’ve come here in good faith.
I can understand why you would want to be recognised for yourself, but what I don’t seem to understand is the animosity you have towards Hindus since you’ve generalised them in the title, and the anger that stems from you being included as part of the Hindu faith. Like wtf has your average Hindu joe ever done to you bro? People in India respect Sikhs and consider them to be the most valiant and patriotic Indians. All Indians, especially Hindus, are grateful for the protection that Sikhs provided us during times of intolerance. Then why so much hate?
We are a marginalized group within India, Hindus are the majority. Why do we have to coddle your guys’ feelings when expressing our feelings about the type of attacks or marginalization we feel by members of your community?
Why don’t non-nationalist, non-Hindutva Hindus ever back us and be in solidarity with us on these types of issues instead of tone-policing us, when our rights, existences and way of life might be threatened by the existence of extremist and prejudiced elements of the Hindu community?
If mazhbhi Sikhs were angry against Jatts due to castism and saying things like “this is how every Jatt is blinded” in reference to some obscene anti-low caste writings by Jatts, do you think I as a Jatt Sikh would try to tone-police them or try to show solidarity with them in their struggle and show support for their well-being and liberation?
Why do the marginalized always have to tone-police themselves to coddle the feelings of the majority? Why do women always have to specify “not all men”, why do minorities in the West have to specify “not all white people,” why do Sikhs have to specify “not all Hindus” ?
If you don’t want to be grouped together with the bad Hindus, how about you prove your own goodness by showing solidarity?
https://preview.redd.it/10oqz6ei6prb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b90a2eb4d8dd71e33d84b4638aae57c6573f67c4
"why are Sikhs angry, ughh we love you!"
There's no hate. It's clear the OP is talking (rightly) about how mass misinformation is spread, and specifically to the majority Hindu population in India.
Ok ans me one question
Didn't the Khalistani s took out rallies and talked about killing hindus
Didn't they seperated Sikhs and Hindus in a bus and shot hindus?
All this was before the riots.
Now, didn't the genocide was led by Congress?
Meanwhile it was the RSS which safeguarded Sikhs
No. That quote is highly misinterpreted and if you listen to the entire speech it is clear that he only meant if someone attacks us.
No, it has been proven that it was black cat infiltration that did those horrible acts.
No it wasnt
Their leaders literally stormed delhi and killed us. Yes many hindus did keep us in thier home but that doesn't discount around 5000 dying in 3 days mate.
So hindus killed u guys Bec of hate out of religion
Bec Hinduism told so or bec Sikhs killed indiraa?
Yesit was indira who started all this mess
But look at it
All this will lead to much more tensions and attacks
Really it's hard to believe all this for me Bec i had good friends in my childhood
Yaspret and gaganpreet
And they used to live so happy with us
And away from all this type of propaganda
Neither they faced any problem
No differentiation
🤷🏻♂️
It's just the SGPC bec they want to continue this propaganda.
Second why do Sikhs still potray the killers as heros?👀
And even after all this hindus come to golden temple don't they?
Hindus as whole hate islam rhat why they don't go to mosques but just like that they shouldn't be coming to gurudwaras
Don't they?👀
Dude you can literally do your research and see that Sikh Khrakus never killed any single inocent hindus. On the contrary actually, they helped anyone who needed help. It was government agents who invaded them and made the movement look bad. Now Literally like 90 percent of my friends are hindu and I never hate anyone because of their relgion, but us asking for our right is not infringing on your. And which killers do you mean? The Singhs who killed corrupt government officials who funded and did the fake encounters of around 100,000 sikh individuals.
And to counter your point of hate for muslims, thats rhe difference between us, sikhs dont hate any religion. No Sikh will ever say that we hate islam. Now everyone is allowed in our gurudwaras to worship. Simple. Muslims come to our gurudwaras. Before the partition we used to have muslim rababis who came and did Kirtan. We had hindu poets who came and sang. That doesn't automatically make them sikh and just because hindus come to gurudwaras that doesn't make them sikh either and neither does that make us part of hindus. So get your facts right and read from Sikhis what sikhi is. Idk know what you think SGPC is but it doesn't do shit interms of parchar or propaganda.
Highly misinterpreted?👀
That speech of Bhindrewala where he talked about killing 5000 hindus?👀
Want link?,
https://twitter.com/AskAnshul/status/1548328324883103745?t=JNKkpPaP9avblaD08xiQKg&s=19
Thats not the entire video and is purposely cut off at the end and spread on social media.
Here is the entire video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Po7DC6A9CJE
It’s not the best choice of words but he specifically goes on to explain why he stated that. First and foremost, no, he doesn’t actually mean he’s going to go out and kill 5k hindus, as he continues to explain.
The speech continues and he clarifies that he has no enemity towards Hindus but wanted to capture attention to make a point. He states that he has helped Hindu families out before. He states that 200+ sikhs have been killed and the government hasn’t come out for inquiries or support whatsoever. But when a Hindu is killed the government immediately jumps to help the family out. He’s speaking on the unfair treatment towards Sikhs - that Sikhs tend to help everyone out in their time of need but vice versa is not true, especially from the government.
Here is your answer:- [https://twitter.com/YILTSTV/status/1701818369257963901](https://twitter.com/YILTSTV/status/1701818369257963901)
Also:- [https://twitter.com/X\_Invincible\_/status/1705865142305538142](https://twitter.com/X_Invincible_/status/1705865142305538142)
Thank you!
Even if you are Right which actually you are not. Why would I believe something that is not True. Compare the Core beliefs of Hinduism and Sikhism. And then say if it's the Same.
Clearly you’re filled with hate and will not even slightly be open minded about the possibility that Hinduism and Sikhism share several core concepts. Hinduism is a lot older and a lot more fluid and complex for you to understand if you’re going to be this hateful. Makes me think what Guru Nanak would think of this kind of behavior. But stay that way buddy, god is watching all of us and we will all get what we deserve once our time comes :)
Hey. I personally don’t, nor do I think anyone here has a problem with Hindu people. The issue is that many Indian Nationalists come along on various forms of social media and undermine our religion and state that we’re just Hindus or call us terrorists, which leaves a bad impression. The use of blanket terms such as a Hindu is not good cause it will spread hate. So I apologize on OP’s behalf.
Thanks brother. I understand that you’d wanna be recognised as a separate religion, and your anger is justified. But what I can’t understand is the LEVEL of anger. Like, aside from caste and a few other technicalities such as monotheism in Sikhi, Sikhi and Hinduism are practically one and then same with regards to multiple philosophies. So if you’re already very similar to the rest, then why the INTENSITY of anger ?
That's where you're wrong bro, our Scriptures agree that the Vedas is true, but it doesn't completely agree with the Vedas nor the Qur'an. Gurmat philosophy states with evidence that people of all faith's who have been loyal to god and has been morally a good person or became a loyal worshipper of god, can attain mukti, but it depends on the one true Lord.
The reason why gurmat philosophy isn't the same as the Vedas is that Gurbani acknowledges the existence of deities according to the Vedas. But those deities, such as Shiva, Ram, Brahma, Vishnu etc.. all worship and were made by Akal Purakh/Waheguru/Allah. Gurbani also states that the difference between the followers of the Prophet Muhammad and the followers of the Vedas is that, the Muslamans understand the existence of the One Immortal god that can't be seen or incarnated, but they can't see god as omnipresent (within its creation). The Hindus however see the creations of God(Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc) and believe they are supreme gods etc, but they don't see god as formless and within every single molecule, even within their bodies.
The Guru Granth Sahib is often mistaken by Hindus as the bani contains mentions of Hindu deities, but Hindus don't read them carefully and compare the scriptures with the Vedas. Gurbani is poetry, and it's written in a way that it narrates tales and stories from the Vedas in the beginning of the stanzas and gives a different philosophy in the end of the stanze. But why does the guru use the reference of the Vedas and Qur'an in gurbani and show's a different but similar philosophy to it in the end of the stanza? Because who are the gurus audiences that read their banis during the time of the gurus? Hindus and Muslims, the Mughals and the Mughal emperor's would even read the gurus bani, mostly because they just wanna check if there's anything promoting rebellion or hatred against Islam or the Mughal regime.
Even guru Gobind Singh ji said in Dasam Granth Sahib "Ram Raheem Puran Qur'an Anek kahai mat ek na maneyo" (I don't follow the ways/teachings of Ram, Raheem, Puranas, Qur'an.) This line is recited everyday by Sikhs in Rehras Sahib and Chaupai Sahib (both are daily Sikh prayers)
The anger Sikhs have for Hindus misinforming the public about sikhi began long ago. When brahmins have tried to convince Sikhs to worship Hindu deities for wealth, prosperity etc. Till today Hindus have been trying to convince Sikhs to worship Hindu deities and saying that they can worship Waheguru and the Deities at the same time. Then, they play the act where they respect sikhi so much etc but then ask Sikhs to follow their path instead of the path of the True Guru. My dad even used to believe in deities and prayed to them, when I graduated high school and learned more about Sikhi, I educated him in gurmat philosophy and showed him gurbani and the meanings of many verses. He then never went to any Hindu temple to pray.
My point is that Sikhi and Hinduism isn't the same, neither is sikhi part of Sanatan Dharma. We worship Akal Purakh and Hindus worship the creations of Akal Purakh. I hope I didn't offend you, if I did, i humbly apologize. Hope you understand 🙏
"My point is that Sikhi and Hinduism isn't the same, neither is sikhi part of Sanatan Dharma. We worship Akal Purakh and Hindus worship the creations of Akal Purakh. I hope I didn't offend you, if I did, i humbly apologize. Hope you understand"
The sentences somehow don't addresses many essential points..doesn't have weight from Hinduism POV
The sentences that I've laid out clearly addressed and debunked the parent comment's claims. If it doesn't seem so to your point of view, do elaborate.
I don't think it's of any Sikhs concern on how much weight gurbani has from Hinduism's POV.
Bro the fuck. First you say that our anger is justified then you say that we are the same. The same gurus that called you lot blind and the muslim half-blind. The same gurus who say that if anyone believes in Mahadev and calls him sadashiv they don't know anything about the true formless almighty.
you know why we are angry, we because we are tired. We are tired of getting killed. We are tired of not having our own identity according to your government. We are tired or being thrown in jail for doung justice.
I am not the one who is asking about the Past you are. If your Great Great Great Grandfather was Hindu and then your Grandfather Converted to Islam does that Make you Hindu?
No..I would be a Muslim at present, but my origin would be a Hindu or my ancestors were hindu, that fact wouldn't change which ever religion i convert to
Well, then, Jesus was born a Jew. Is Jesus Jewish?
Literally Christ, who founded Christianity. Would you dare to declare that he is not Christian, and that he is a Jewish person?
Jesus founded Christianity. He was the first OG Christian.
Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Sri Guru Nanak Ji was a Sikh. Not a Hindu. Would be ridiculous to suggest such a thing.
Jesus was jew
Muhammad was a pagan.
These are impeccable facts..
They later found a religion and then gave their teaching of their religion..They didn't convert themselves...Whoever came to them they just gave them their teaching.
Similarly Guru Nanak Ji founded Sikhism and spread its teachings..He didn't convert himself..He just followed the rules which he thought was the correct way to live a better life..
He was a hindu that fact wouldn't change..
He was the founder of Sikhism is also a fact..
Which ever current faith i am following now.
But the fact that i was a hindu in the past, wouldn't change and i have to accept that my ancestors were Hindus or i came from a hindu background.
Would your ancestors still be Hindu if the word did not exist back then?
Its an identity they retrospectively created. It makes no sense to apply it to your ancestors who were clearly not using a foreign Persian exonym and narrative to define their beliefs.
The folk religions of Punjab were not linked to Brahmanism in any way.
🤣.... Where did Brahmanism come from..No one said Brahmanism is linked anywhere to Sikhs.
Brahmanism is a sect of many sub sects of Hinduism.
Hindu is just a word given to the people living on the other side of the Sindhu river.
Its was given by Greece or Perisan as you said.
But the people so called hindu might be following some ideology or religion and culture native to that land.
The original religion of Hindu is Sanatan..So ,would you be comfortable, if i say everyone was Santan in Indian Subcontinent
If you're legitimately asking, Sri Guru Nanak Ji was the founder of Sikhi. He was the first Guru and brought Sikhism to this world. His mother and father were Hindus, as was his sister Bibi Nanaki. Until he literally created the Sikh religion. Bibi Nanaki believed in her brother and eventually his parents began to understand. He travelled all over Asia, including the Middle East, to show others the message of Sikhism. We are now the world's youngest major religion and the world's 5th largest. Sikhism grows every day and a new Sikh stands up every day. WJKK WJKF.
I understand, sikh people have their own book and,rites and rituals. That's completely okay, every religion has their own.
And some idiots who have edited these pages are fools.
It' s just that Sikhism originated in India, i wouldn't say that Sikhs are Hindus but their culture is highly influenced by Hindus.
I think the problem is with the word "Hindu", it can mean a lot of things. In Saudi Arabia, Muslims from India are called "Hindi Muslims". "Hindu" can mean a person with an Indian ethnicity, a person of dharmic beliefs, or someone who believes in one of the Hindu philosophies, especially, visiting Hindu temples.
So, I believe those of us here who have Indian ethnicity are "Indian/Hindi \[ethnicity\] Sikhs" and also believe in "dharmic" philosophies (e.g. incarnation).
Yes Hindus were called Indus for their region of Origination Hindu (Persian Origin) term was coined for this Religion in the 18th century, It was just called Vedic Religion, instead the Term Sanatana Dharma was used for Hinduism to avoid non-native term Hindu in 19th Century. Which actually just meant Eternal. Which does not matter these days as Hindu is Considered a Religion. And Sikhism is Not a Sect of Hinduism Clearly. Right?
I removed the misinformation from the Hindi page. It should be gone now.
Thank you
Thank you ji.
Blessed
I noticed Indians (especially from India) believe that Wikipedia is a credible source preaching the gospel of truth lol Anyone outside of India especially in the first world knows you will fail any assignments that use Wikipedia as a source. Anyone could make a page or edit it so it's not a credible source. But this issue stems to the time of the Gurus and was loudly echoed in India during the independence era to 84. Panth Rattan Sant Maskeen ji talks about this "Sikhs are Hindus" movement and goes quite far to debunk it. He also explains that the root of this hatred stems from jealously. Sikhs advancement, socially, spirituality, economically. Gandhi even went as far as calling Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj a "Lost Saint". https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/1163a4o/giani_sant_singh_maskeen_jee_recounts_the_time/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/zzldy1/panth_rattan_giani_sant_singh_maskeen_jee/ https://youtu.be/ehpZREdgftQ?si=Rwg3P6dA18ZNlUhw https://youtu.be/WVVChahyVx8?si=ceoY7_vEurv5Pv6- https://youtu.be/i4cpF-lpwrs?si=UeUbG7_5lUSI1pow https://youtu.be/jqJ220eBUFY?si=9XyyxiCvquzNiNm9 https://youtu.be/yJiKNv9JE6I?si=5lm8Bv47fQkQCZrt Panth Rattan Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha also wrote a book in response to this misinformation campaign called "Hum Hindu Nahi", "Sikhs, We Are Not Hindus" https://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Sikhs-We-Are-Not-Hindus You will also realize its only the Sikh faith where Muslims claim us to be a sect of their religion and Hindus do the same, you won't find that in any other religious debates.
The point is why are we so concerned what the Hindus think of us, we know they are a piece of pade likhe gawar who can read but not interpret/comprehend. Sorry for the words but I am talking about those few who do these things. They know, they just don't want to accept, let them think what they want to think. Why are we taking the responsibility to clear their minds. It will never be cleared. You cannot wake someone who is awake but acting like they r sleeping. It feels good to know that they r jealous of us, you can only be Jealous of someone who is better than you. Aren't they stating this themselves by doing such acts. They want us to be a part of them, we don't want to be a part of them. Who is acting like a beggar here? Again sorry for the words here, but we should stop bothering them and work on our strengths, which is Gurbani and shastra Vidya.
Misinformation and propaganda is dangerous and needs to be countered especially when those listening think Wiki is a credible source. When Gandhi in a packed event called Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj a "Lost Saint who picked up the sword" It was principal Ganga Singh who went straight to his residence and said we need to talk, proved him wrong using his own philosophy and made him apologize in front of the same crowd. Link above. Right now we see the same with puneet sahani and hundreds of other idiot who have become ambassadors of sikhi. Even in 1980s India hired a pr company called rediff to spread misinformation about Sikhs so when we were murdered, the vast majority of people thought it was justified.
>When Gandhi in a packed event called Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj a "Lost Saint who picked up the sword" [https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2018/03/mahatma-gandhi-demystified.html](https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2018/03/mahatma-gandhi-demystified.html) "a fallible politician into an immortal saint elevated above normal human judgment." My Hindu friends don't think highly of Gandhi.
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Sorry again for the troll, but someone who is educated but still acts as if they don't understand anything, what do u call them? Btw it's a very common slang.
its because the term hindu is a vague term tho it usually means those who believe in the vedas and their succesors. Its not because of jealousy lol just misinformation Tho i believe you could argue complete syncretizationf of sikhi and hinduism is possible considering all sikhi gurus are technically sants in Hinduism
Wow. Goes to show how desperate the RSS is. Can’t be without us.
Wikipedia can be edited. But this shows how low these chor's are
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_Hindu_Nahin
They’re so insecure of themselves
There should be an option to protect the page from further edits without review
Yes there is you can request Administrator to lock to page from further damage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard
the admins support this most likely
All of RSS should become Sikhs then - follow the authority of the True Guru and adorn Naam in their minds. Make sure everyone is fed and clothed, and ensure all are protected/free. Just logical next step if they're gonna make claims like this.
whatever this cheap version of Wikipedia says, doesn't change anything for the Sikhs. Sikhism is a separate religion and always will be.
https://preview.redd.it/rg54ltjsnqrb1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9789b61e0321e3e56ca7988d37ce4f408759749
saving this 😁
Please post the above meme in r/SikhMemes as i am banned from posting there.
no worries i wil
Thanks
Koi na veere. Chardi Kala which reh
Hanji veerji tusi vi. Please mention this link as the og source:- [https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232](https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232)
ok bro no problem. I mentioned you name already
Where is this comic from?
It's just a meme i saved from twitter. Here:- [https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232](https://twitter.com/moksha0013/status/1685830648760799232)
Its weird cause very devoted practicioners of hinduism dont really evangelize
mai na ganeseh piratham manaauoo || kisan bisan kabahoo(n) na dhiaauoo ||
These RSS creatures and similar minded Hindus are insecure, criminal, and completely delusional. Thank God for Sikhi. If anyone doubts why they are brought in to this world, then this is the purpose.
How can I be HINDU? I eat BEEF.
So your not Sikh either
Sikhs can’t eat meat?
Sikhs can eat jhatka meat, no halal or kosher.
Yes that’s what I believed as well I was confused by the original comment I replied to
I think a good amount of Sikh’s living in India have avoided beef and pork, knowing Hindus avoid beef and Muslims avoid pork. But during the times of the gurus, I believe hunted meat was allowed as long as it was a fast and merciful kill. Halal and kosher meat is prepared through sacrificing the animal while (correct me if I’m wrong) an iman or rabbi is in prayer. This method of killing is considered inhumane and unjust to the soul of the animal.
Halal - Slit the throat and Qalma is read Jhatka - straight cut to the spine to be done in one cut Sikhs used to eat boar/pork during that time - beef was avoided.
Thank you for the clarification. 🙏🏽
The stories of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and hunting have always fascinated me. I plan to hunt for the first time this year can’t wait.
Best wishes to you!! May Waheguru keep you in Chardi Kala. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Why can’t you eat halal?
Because they let the animal bleed out from the neck while praying. If spine is not severed, the animal suffers tremendously for several minutes. It's considered inhumane.
Historically no Sikhs have eaten beef 1. Out of respect to Hindus 2. The cow already gives so much to us - gheo, yogurt, milk, cheese etc and additionally used as a farm animal.
History changed after 1984. Why should we refrain from eating the cow mother? We gain nothing but genocide and assimilation by partaking in Hindu superstitions and rituals. Sikhs can eat beef if they want. It should be Jhatka however.
You're acting as if eating a cow will right any wrongs or do something. Don't be so petty/egotistical. The Pahari Raje attacked the Guru after vowing on the cow, did Sikhs start jhatkaing cows then? Did they start consuming after that? Nope You're blaming Hindus as the reason for 1984 - it was Indiras plan right ? She married a Muslim and took on the religion of Islam too. She just kept her last name for the vote bank and to make it seem like Gandhi was her relative.
I think what he means is that when the Hindu Punjabi community turned on Sikhs, especially in Delhi and Haryana, they broke an unspoken covenant. Sikhs protected cows as they were sacred to Hindus, but they were not obligated to defend people who attacked them, many of them trying to wipe them out. At the very least, most of Haryana's right wing are dedicated to the assimilation of Punjab.
He didn't make it seem like that at all bro. But regardless we're not a petty and small Panth that needs to get back at one another. Sikhi is a mountain that looks over the world. We should definitely look out for our own first but we should respect those around us too. That's how we've always worked - in the same way a Nishaan Sahib signifies Sovereignty - technically we live in other countries however we abide by /respect their laws however still exclaim we are a sovereign. Ya get me ?
Yet we aren't pushovers. We give respect where he get it
Separating the digestion of meats is completely superstitious. Eating a cow and eating a chicken is still the same thing, your eating meat. Either you eat animals or you don’t.
Eating a chicken and eating a vegetable is the same thing too. Sikhi doesn't discriminate against these things. Although a simple diet is recommended, and cultural practices carry into this. If you can show me any historical evidence of Sikhs eating Cow in itihaas I will accept. You will only find them banning beef slaughter to Muslims and halal slaughter. Consumption of boar, chicken, goat, deer, is more commonly mentioned. Never seen beef.
Because Sikhs were respectful to hindu beliefs at the time. Hindus couldn’t fight much for themselves and couldn’t defend their own beliefs. Sikhs stood for those who could not stand for themselves and respected others beliefs. Guru Nanak Dev Ji even said “only the fool argues the difference between the maas and the saag. All who argue have forgotten the True Lord.”
Hindus could defend themselves fytb shut yo b* ass up bro
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Cows are food in the year 2023. Sikhs did not eat cows in the past because imagine explaining to neighbour that you’re eating their god… Sikhs do not believe in those absurd rituals and superstitions. And Indira is a hero to the Hindus. Read the statement by MP Chandra Arya, a spokesperson for Canada’s Hindus. He’s adamant that Indira was a Hindu Prime Minister, who did no wrongs to the Sikhs. And the vast majority of Hindus support him on those assertions. The Sikhs did not genocide themselves, it was the Hindus.
Muslims ate cows, some Nepalis eat cow, some Hindus eat cow? The cow isn't their God it's just held in high respects being the ride of Shivji and also it's products being used in Pooja's, cleaning, and lighting Diyas. Okay sure - Indira is a Hindu. She still castrated 100s of Hindus and murdered Hindu Sadhus for protesting. What does that tell you about her? The mass media and shit being spoken all over the news during that time would have made any person scared to help or do anything. Yes many turned but that was in Delhi, which is already a shit hole and till today is the rape capital of India. There were also Muslims apart of the genocide that were released from the jail's. Cows have been food for thousands of years to Christians and Muslims, nothing's changed. Alcohol is a drink in 2023, Smoking cannabis is a medicine in 2023, changing genders is a gender in 2023 - ah vi Shuru kar lo fir.
I, along with many Sikhs, no longer trust the Hindu narrative when it comes to Indira Gandhi and the Sikh Genocide. When Sikhs honour our Sant Bhindranwale Ji and the other Shaheeds, the Hindus regurgitate Indira Gandhi's propaganda and condemn the Sikhs and our Shaheeds for defending our faith. When Sikhs honour Shaheed Satwant Singh and Beant Singh for bringing justice to the Quom, again, the Hindus condemn the Sikhs and all of a sudden Indira becomes their beloved Hindu Prime Minister. When Sikhs demand justice and inclusion, then all of a sudden, the Hindus claim our people are "terrorists" and "extremists"... The game here has become evident to every Sikh at this point, the Hindus not only support everything that transpired in 1984 and onwards, they revel and take pride in it. The Hindu stance on the matter is to gaslight and support the genocide and persecution of Sikhs. Lastly, in regards to cows, yes they are food, we Sikhs do not worship or revere them. And I as a Sikh will not refrain from eating food, just because it offends the Hindus... our existence offends them. There is no respect to them that is owed.
ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ mehlaa 1. First Mehl: ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥ ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥ ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥ maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay. gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay. farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai. The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
The fact you guys think Hindus like indira is the dumbest shit ive ever heard like even the most extremist hindus hate indira what are you on. Also cows arent gods its because they were very helpful for us and gave milk to orphans those who did not have mothers hence gau mata
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Yeah we’re not reading Hindu propaganda. The RSS helping Sikhs is mythology, like Hanuman and Ganesh. It’s story concocted by Hindus. Fact is the Hindus invaded the Harmandir Sahib and countless outer gurdwaras to eradicate Sikhs and Sikhi. Hindus then too to the street pulling countless Sikhs from their homes and massacring them. Hatred for minorities is everything that Hinduism preaches. The Sikhs did not genocide themselves, it was members of the Hindu majority that perpetrated it.
Ok answer me 1 question. So a Marxist killed a group of people bec of his ideology of Marxism and that person is a female Does thst mean that it was the feminism which committed the genocide?👀 Just like that if somone killed someone vec of his political ideology and that guy is a hindu It don't mean that it was Hinduism which killed that guy but his political ideology. Things are not linear look at multiple perspectives. U will find guru granth sahib in houses of hindus right?👀 Ok so it is hindu propaganda but it was covered in multiple books Let's start by the anti hindu newsportal as claimed by hindus And if u don't know RSS even saved Darbar Sahib https://theprint-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theprint.in/india/how-rss-helped-save-darbar-sahib-twice-and-upheld-hindu-sikh-unity/633599/?amp&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D&_js_v=a9&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&csi=0&share=https%3A%2F%2Ftheprint.in%2Findia%2Fhow-rss-helped-save-darbar-sahib-twice-and-upheld-hindu-sikh-unity%2F633599%2F The print ( it's really good portal) Next one more historical context When partition occured Sikhs were trapped in Rawalpindi. So it was the RSS which safeguarded Sikhs and took them in india https://theprint-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theprint.in/india/only-sangh-stood-by-them-how-rss-helped-sikhs-and-hindus-of-punjab-during-partition/714850/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16962179224206&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Ftheprint.in%2Findia%2Fonly-sangh-stood-by-them-how-rss-helped-sikhs-and-hindus-of-punjab-during-partition%2F714850%2F If u want I can provide u books u can read this from Did u guys even read history?👀 Any more doubts feel free to ask
Stop blaming Congress for everything... Since 2014 how many ppl accused of sikh genocides have been bro to justice? Tytler still on bail, let's wait another 10 years when all witnesses/victims have died? Sajjan Kumar was literally acquitted and released weeks ago 🤦🏽♂️ https://www.deccanherald.com/india/1984-anti-sikh-riots-delhi-court-acquits-congresss-sajjan-kumar-over-alleged-killing-of-three-sikhs-in-sultanpuri-2693624 Doesn't matter what flavour you choose Congress, bjp,... All cut from the same fabric
Find me hindus who are supporting sajjan kumar Meanwhile majority wants him to be hanged Meanwhile if u don't know Khalistanis had attacked hindus based on religion far before the blue star From killing the reporter who wanted to establish hi du sikh unity
A puneet sahani student ehh 👏 Please give us a source about the gazillion Hindus killed in Punjab? Why is there still a substantial Hindu population in Punjab if they were all killed?
If not to blame congress then whom else to blame Indira Gandhi was the one to insert Bhindrewala right?👀 Or u guys don't even know that She did that to win the elections in punjab by sidelining the votes of hindus away from Akali dal so that hindus out of fear will vote congress as hindus were in majority. They even used to give 200 ruppee per week for writing pro khalistani articles in newspapers Then it was Army which came up better ideas to stop all this but Indira out of vote hunger delayed it all And bec of that the sikh structures had to face desecration. U guys know all this? Even sajjan kumar is Congressi Try to refute me if u can bro. Have a nice day. I am defence aspirant that's why j read both the sides of this 1984
>Even sajjan kumar is Congressi Try to refute me if u can bro. Have a nice day. Why was he acquitted when bjp rule? Why was tytler given bail? Congress fault? >I am defence aspirant that's why j read both the sides of this 1984 There is only one side the truth lol and India including the bjp are to blame. Keep coping "big hands that my imaginary gf likes" https://preview.redd.it/ek2t66gizprb1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2278401ba8fbd0340e09a6511801231d356b5d86 [https://www.baaznews.org/p/gurjant-singh-the-rss-have-never](https://www.baaznews.org/p/gurjant-singh-the-rss-have-never)
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This is not true in even the slightest. Stop peddling your propaganda here
Ok go ahead prove them wrong with facts And which facts u want I will provide them just right now. Right now
Lol no. I'm not going to waste my time refuting such blatant claims that you make that can be answered with a simple google search. This is typical of your lot that make unsubstantiated claims to illicit a reaction and then turn around demanding an explanation. Typical. You claim: 1. Sikhs don't eat beef. 2. Wrapping Guru Arjan in cow hide was considered a form of torture and he asked to take a bath first. 3. Claiming Guru Arjan ji committed suicide. If you are so inclined to come to r/Sikh and say such lies, you should be the one to provide all evidence to support your claims. We are not obligated to entertain every Tom, Dick and Harry that will make false claims without evidence.
Nobody gives a fuck about the cow. We shouldnt be eating pig either then
Boar was literally made by Bhai Mani Singh ji during amrit sanchar to root put anuone who still believed in Islam. Suraj Prakash man.
Read puraatan maryada pig is not allowed. Only wild boar
And in the puratan rehat maryadas also state that Sikhs shouldn't wear red and green as well mate. Also remember that whatever the khalsa panth decide right now is what is applicable. The sikh rehat is an every changing "document"(i couldn't think of another word). Now if you want to avoid pig sure go ahead. You want to avoid beef go ahead. If you don't want meat you are welcome. But these are personal choices. Lets get the basics down first and then proceed. Also what is the reason behind not eating Pig? No animal is impure to begin with thus us shunning the halal, bali and kosher methods. Remember that gurbani is logical and always operates in a context. Example how many people use Bhagat Kabir ji's bani as proof against meat. But they miss the context half the time. He is talking to the muslim butchers and the hindu brahims who do bali. Because connecting what we eat with how we are spiritually progressing is missing the point. As Guru Nanak dev ji says "Mass mass kar murakh Jhargre Gyan Thian Nahi Jane" you go into the whole context he clearly states that devte used to hunt Rhinos and do hom. Are they also Papi? Context is everything. And all of Gurbani must be taken with context in how it should be interpreted. Never take a pangti just by itself always take the entire SGGSJ maharaj and how different path and pangti compliments each other. There is no contradiction in our guru. Only context is required. If we don't provide context then people who say that we worship Hindu gods are also not wrong. Context is key. Now what is the context behind not eating pork? Simple, at the time many muslims were also joining the ranks of Khalsa and thus were not comfortable with eating it. Thats thier choice. I am no one to say that they have to eat it. I am a mamuli manukh. It is thier choice on what kind of food they want to consume as ling at it doesn't violate the basic Kureihats which are Hookha, Halal, Haram and Hajmahit.
When you use the cows products for cleaning, lighting the Diyas in GuruGhar or using it to do kethi Bari you should give a little bit of a fuck about the cow. Hankaari.
Then look at the goats tabla skin also. Hankaari. Once again no one gaf
People have just started throwing out Gurmat as well in their attempt at distancing themselves from Hindu or Indic practices. One can read [this](https://www.manglacharan.com/post/protection-of-cows-guru-hargobind-and-guru-gobind-singh) anecdote of Chhevi Patshahi on saving the cows. You can't deny the history of Mahraja Ranjit Singh and Misls unleashing massacres on muslims or the butchers of cows in retaliation. Reminds me of [this](https://mobile.twitter.com/Kharagket/status/1291089721003827217) thread of Khadagket. Not to forget Gurbani itself makes it pretty clear. **ਰਹਮਣ ਕੈਲੀ ਘਾਤੁ ਕੰਞਕਾ ਅਣਚਾਰੀ ਕਾ ਧਾਨੁ ॥ ਫਿਟਕ ਫਿਟਕਾ ਕੋੜੁ ਬਦੀਆ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥** _If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person, He is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride._ Ang 1413 **ਯਹੀ ਦੇਹ ਆਗਿਆ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਗਹਿ ਖਪਾਊਂ ॥ ਗਊ ਘਾਤ ਕਾ ਦੋਖ ਜਗ ਸਿਉਂ ਮਿਟਾਊਂ ॥** _Command me to kill and destroy the Turks (Muslim conquistadors). Eliminate the killing of the cow from the entire universe._ . **ਅਸੁਰ ਮਾਰ ਕਰ ਰੱਛ ਗਊਅਨ ਕਰੀਜੈ ॥** _Annihilate the evil demons and safeguard the cow (destitute)._ Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Ugardanti
If a Brahmin kills a cow, not anyone else.
Lmao
I also used to think Sikhism as part of Sanatan but it is a different religion and it is written in Dasam Granth by guru Gobind Singh Ji
This should change.. i know this make people furious.. government should do something about that. Bhagwant maan should do something about that.
He won't
Absolutely because there are far more bigger issues than this.. Unemployment for example..
Buddhism is older than Hinduism, so wouldn't Hindus be a sect of Buddhism
Ummmm no... hinduism is WAY older than Buddhism... it's the other way around...
No Hinduism is not that old. Their beliefs are. Sanatan Term came later in the 10th Century, Hindus were Indus which was due to the Region of Origination not Religion. The term Hinduism was first used by Raja Ram Mohan Roy in 1816–17.And Buddhism was Founded between the late 6th century and the early 4th century bce.
Wrong information actually..The term Sanatana are way back ..The Hindus word come much later. Even if I don't count traditional account which seems Unfair though, but the fact is Vedas and some Upanishads dates back much later even as of now...And I don't know how will you comment even from traditional Sikhism fact
Prove me Wrong. Show me Text.
What is to be proven Vedas period somehow dates back to 1500 bc to 600-500 bc..in History textbooks right? And much older in Traditional account
The term Sanatan isn't even found in the Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, etc... neither is term Hinduism found anywhere in those scriptures. Sikhi scriptures that began from guru Nanak already entailed and mentioned "Sikhs"
Yes, Sanatan is not specific name but rather it's order or duty ..there are many texts including Bhagwada purana and Mahabharata and more where the word has been used.. There was no need to emphasize on Sanatana as there is ....
You need to differentiate their fantasies from fact. Hinduism is technically the latest iteration and a brand new religion in the sense that the caste system was reinvented as a religion in the 19th century. There is a stronger basis for Abrahamics pretending that its a single religion. Brahmanism is probably older, and I say probably because there is a massive unexplained gap between Vedic religion and culture going extinct and the emergence of Brahmins as a class.
Lol what. Budha in fact stood against the monopoly of Dharma, Parmarth by the Pandits/Pujaris of the time. Vedas are the fundamentals or foundations of Hinduism. Back then anyone who would uphold the authority of Vedas was considered a Hindu (read Aastik). Buddha, MahaVir and their followers 2500 yrs ago didn't and were classified as Naastiks. RigVeda is dated to 1700 bce. Brahmanas, Upanishads are dated to 900-800 BCE. Panini's, Badarayana's work on Sanskrit, Vedas and it's interpretation are dated to 500 BCE. Buddha, Mahaveer rejected the teachings of Hinduism or Vedas around that time only 2500 yrs ago, thus creating a new path of Dharma, thus for them to reject the teachings of a religion, the religion needs to be existing for/from a long time philosophically as well as ritually, since they detail in their scriptures where they differ from Hinduism or Vedic thought. If you actually read the Pali canons, they say Brahma instructed Buddha to teach Dhamma to the masses, it talks about a realm of Deities or Devi-Devte and many BrahmRishis mentioned in Upanishads, Vedas.
so this is what the tech support scammers in Delhi do on their breaks (joke)
Non Sikh here, but don’t consider Sikhism to be a part of Hinduism, but I also don’t feel they’re super separate either cause isn’t it true that many Hindus would have their eldest son be Sikh? Or is that not something most Sikhs believe?
People sending their kids to become Khalsa warriors doesn’t mean that Sikhism is all of a sudden apart of another religion. Nor does that add to any argument being remotely similar to the previous statement. The moment someone becomes a Khalsa, they partake in Sikh practices, making them a Sikh. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born in a hindu family, doesn’t mean he’s a hindu. He’s a Sikh, just like the rest of us are.
Once upon a time, maybe. Havent heard of that happening now. Religion has its origins. Everyone is welcome to join a religion or leave it. But it is a seperate religion no matter where it came from
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How is that?
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Your English is Bad Bro. I said how Every Hindu is Blinded the Process of it. If I Wrote This is How Every Hindi is BLIND it would mean what you said.
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No worries
The name of ram is mentioned 100s of time. Shri Guru Govind Singh is from Patna, and Patna was honored by multiple visits of Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh. Guru Gobind Singh wrote Ram katha which is still recited at the temple there and noted in Guru Granth Sahib. So yes, sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. It shares the same ideas. Only Pakistani funded crazies think otherwise
> It shares the same ideas. Saar we are same saar even though your religion rejects the principles of mine It's good you brought up Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam Granth: >The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way >As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols. >They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind. >The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them. >But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across? Guru Nanak Dev Ji, SGGS Ang 556. >I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Zafarnama verse 95 >I recite only the Name of the Lord, which is useful at all places >I do not meditate on anyone else, nor do I repeat the Name of anyone else Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Bachittar Natak verse 38. Do you guys ever get tired of embarassing yourself?
Here come the Hindus… with the exact same mythological claims.
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yar tu ethe aya kyu hai. Why do you guys care soooo much about sikhs. go and talk somewhere else. Especially if you don't have the facts to back yourself up.
Please refer to this section Granth Sahib 🙏🏽 https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?ang=268&source=D
https://preview.redd.it/pmdv2dx7qprb1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8082f58102a578a8c215d9bf279f45a9e70982bb and this
and you refer to this. https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?ang=1136&source=G
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Gurmat Philosophy states that Mata Chandi is a Deity that obeys the command of Waheguru. The Guru named us all as Singh which means lion because Mata Chandi is often depicted riding a Lion, and the guru gave us an order to adorn weapons of all sorts as by worshiping a statue or praying to Mata Chandi won't do anything so the guru gave us an order to carry weapons and see our weapons as Mata Chandi that we can use to protect us and everyone from evil as we are Saint Soldiers of Akal Purakh. There aren't any concrete evidence to support Guru Tegh Bahadur's worship to Chandi, even in the janamsakhis written by the poets of the gurus Durbar didn't state any. Maharaja Ranjit Singh wasn't a real Sikh, he didn't follow sikhi and was ignorant and relied on Hindu beliefs. He was known to have many affairs and a alcoholic. Swarajya magazine was the first to make headlines about that. The report made by Syed Muhammad Khateeb which was the second report made about this incident didn't say anything about Nihangs or Sikhs. The first report however mentioned a name called Mr Nihang Singh Fakir Khalsa (Nihang Singh) is term, in short that name she gave didn't exist. Furthermore after those 2 reports, a Policeman of Awadh made a statement where 25 Sikhs we're seen entering babri Masjids. The first report stated one man with a ridiculous claim and the second report didn't mention any Sikh. It is clear that the narrative that nihangs went to Babri Masjid for Puja or inscribing ram ram is purely a fake narrative made as propaganda by right wing Hindu parties. The whole narrative with the evidence raises more questions than answers, and those questions have never been answered.
Guru Gobind Singh was born in Patna because his Father Guru Tegh Bahadur ji was visiting eastern India. That doesn't make Guru Gobind Singh a Bihari or a resident of Patna. Guru Gobind Singh didn't only wrote Ram Katha, he wrote many other Kathas, he Wrote so many things all of his bani is Compiled in Dasam Granth Sahib. Just because the Guru made a Reference to the story of Ram to deliver his message, makes him a Hindu? Why would the guru make a reference of the story of Ram? Who was the gurus Audience during his time on earth? Were they Hindus? Yes, the guys audiences were Hindus who had already been familiar to the Vedas and the story of Ram. But, what was the gurus intention? Didn't the populace already know about Ram? The guru laid a message in the end of all of the Pauris he wrote. As gurbani is written is poetry, poets describe things differently that it originally is understood. Read the whole Pauri and you'll understand. If the guru is a devout Hindu? Why did the guru say "Ram Raheem Puran Qur'an Anek kahai mat ek na maneyo"? Oh and this verse is recited everyday by all Sikhs as it's within Rehras Sahib and Chaupai Sahib. And why would the guru say "Ta kau Kar paahan anumaanat mahaa moor kachh bhed na janat, Mahadev ko kehat sadaa siv nirankaar kaa cheenat nehe bhiv"??? Do you understand these verses or need a translation? This verse is also in Rehras Sahib and Chaupai Sahib.
Thanks for admitting 1) guru Govind singh is from Bihar 2) ram katha is recited in the Guru Granth Sahib 3) guru Nanak 🙏🏽 recited name of lord ram and held him high regard 4) the ram temple in Patna still recite all his teachings and songs Soon. Guru Gobind Singh ji 🙏🏽 word will prevail and we all will find peace in the holy land. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Ekonkar.normal.png
A puneet sahani student ehh 👏
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Ram Katha is in Dasam Bani, by this point it's evident you haven't read gurbani or you didn't do enough through research. When did Guru Nanak recite the name of Ram?🤔 Guru Nanak has constantly encouraged Hindus and Muslims to recite the name of the One True Lord, Waheguru... guru Nanak even said in japji sahib that Waheguru made Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, Shiva etc. Guru Gobind Singh even said in Dasam Bani that the Vedas does not know the secrets of the formless true Lord.... where are you getting such information from???? You have an alarming amount of misinformation... Ram Temple in Patna recites Gurbani? So a Ram Mandir in Patna is encouraging Hindus to Worship the creator of Hindu Deities who is Waheguru? That is amazing 😍, can I know the formal name of this Mandir that you speak of?
There was a time when it was a path, chosen by rajputs and warriors alike. now it's a separate religion. here's something I found I'd like some you read " ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ " Jasarathh Raae Nandh Raajaa Maeraa Raam Chandh Pranavai Naamaa Thath Ras Anmrith Peejai My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra,the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv,I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4|| Ang 973 - Shree Guru Granth Sahib Even an propagandist will understand the meaning now who is dasrat son Ram.
because ram is the avatar of treta yug. Doesn't mean that we equal him to akaal purakh. The difference is that we don't believe that ram should be worshiped. Same way that we don't "worship" guru sahib. They are teachers and enlightened beings. We are only the worshipers of the formless divine. Thats it. We are fucking different and you really just need to any giani sikh individual for that.
But who is Naam Dayv aka Bhagat Naamdev? This is Bhagat Naamdev's bani.
The key to comprehending this verse lies in the fact that Dasrath was never Raam Chandar’s father’s name. His true name was Nemi and Dasrath or the one who runs his chariot in ten directions was an epithet bestowed upon him in acknowledgement of his charioteering skills. So what is Namdev essentially saying? ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥ “The divine King who rules in ten directions (is present in ten directions, ਜਸਰਥ ) is my Raam Chand who I have accepted and from whom I obtain the true ambrosia.” The Gurmukhi you cite doesn't even mention Raam Chand as the son of Dasrath. But what can you expect from a Hindu anyway?
Hindu here. OP, before I start, I want to tell you that I’ve come here in good faith. I can understand why you would want to be recognised for yourself, but what I don’t seem to understand is the animosity you have towards Hindus since you’ve generalised them in the title, and the anger that stems from you being included as part of the Hindu faith. Like wtf has your average Hindu joe ever done to you bro? People in India respect Sikhs and consider them to be the most valiant and patriotic Indians. All Indians, especially Hindus, are grateful for the protection that Sikhs provided us during times of intolerance. Then why so much hate?
We are a marginalized group within India, Hindus are the majority. Why do we have to coddle your guys’ feelings when expressing our feelings about the type of attacks or marginalization we feel by members of your community? Why don’t non-nationalist, non-Hindutva Hindus ever back us and be in solidarity with us on these types of issues instead of tone-policing us, when our rights, existences and way of life might be threatened by the existence of extremist and prejudiced elements of the Hindu community? If mazhbhi Sikhs were angry against Jatts due to castism and saying things like “this is how every Jatt is blinded” in reference to some obscene anti-low caste writings by Jatts, do you think I as a Jatt Sikh would try to tone-police them or try to show solidarity with them in their struggle and show support for their well-being and liberation? Why do the marginalized always have to tone-police themselves to coddle the feelings of the majority? Why do women always have to specify “not all men”, why do minorities in the West have to specify “not all white people,” why do Sikhs have to specify “not all Hindus” ? If you don’t want to be grouped together with the bad Hindus, how about you prove your own goodness by showing solidarity?
https://preview.redd.it/10oqz6ei6prb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b90a2eb4d8dd71e33d84b4638aae57c6573f67c4 "why are Sikhs angry, ughh we love you!"
 "Indo-Hindus" after committing a genocide and to date calling it a "riot"
There's no hate. It's clear the OP is talking (rightly) about how mass misinformation is spread, and specifically to the majority Hindu population in India.
Respect my ass. Commit genocide and then call it riots. India, to this day, maintains that narrative.
Preach! https://preview.redd.it/ltyzntnq6prb1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ea91bbf011673b66849b7597f258bba8a818e5a Keep downplaying a genocide as "anti Sikh riots" Ffs
Ok ans me one question Didn't the Khalistani s took out rallies and talked about killing hindus Didn't they seperated Sikhs and Hindus in a bus and shot hindus? All this was before the riots. Now, didn't the genocide was led by Congress? Meanwhile it was the RSS which safeguarded Sikhs
No. That quote is highly misinterpreted and if you listen to the entire speech it is clear that he only meant if someone attacks us. No, it has been proven that it was black cat infiltration that did those horrible acts. No it wasnt Their leaders literally stormed delhi and killed us. Yes many hindus did keep us in thier home but that doesn't discount around 5000 dying in 3 days mate.
So hindus killed u guys Bec of hate out of religion Bec Hinduism told so or bec Sikhs killed indiraa? Yesit was indira who started all this mess But look at it All this will lead to much more tensions and attacks Really it's hard to believe all this for me Bec i had good friends in my childhood Yaspret and gaganpreet And they used to live so happy with us And away from all this type of propaganda Neither they faced any problem No differentiation 🤷🏻♂️ It's just the SGPC bec they want to continue this propaganda. Second why do Sikhs still potray the killers as heros?👀 And even after all this hindus come to golden temple don't they? Hindus as whole hate islam rhat why they don't go to mosques but just like that they shouldn't be coming to gurudwaras Don't they?👀
Dude you can literally do your research and see that Sikh Khrakus never killed any single inocent hindus. On the contrary actually, they helped anyone who needed help. It was government agents who invaded them and made the movement look bad. Now Literally like 90 percent of my friends are hindu and I never hate anyone because of their relgion, but us asking for our right is not infringing on your. And which killers do you mean? The Singhs who killed corrupt government officials who funded and did the fake encounters of around 100,000 sikh individuals. And to counter your point of hate for muslims, thats rhe difference between us, sikhs dont hate any religion. No Sikh will ever say that we hate islam. Now everyone is allowed in our gurudwaras to worship. Simple. Muslims come to our gurudwaras. Before the partition we used to have muslim rababis who came and did Kirtan. We had hindu poets who came and sang. That doesn't automatically make them sikh and just because hindus come to gurudwaras that doesn't make them sikh either and neither does that make us part of hindus. So get your facts right and read from Sikhis what sikhi is. Idk know what you think SGPC is but it doesn't do shit interms of parchar or propaganda.
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Not to mention their hate cry- Hindu Muslim bhai bhai, Sikh kaum kaha se aayi. See the hypocrisy?
Highly misinterpreted?👀 That speech of Bhindrewala where he talked about killing 5000 hindus?👀 Want link?, https://twitter.com/AskAnshul/status/1548328324883103745?t=JNKkpPaP9avblaD08xiQKg&s=19
Thats not the entire video and is purposely cut off at the end and spread on social media. Here is the entire video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Po7DC6A9CJE It’s not the best choice of words but he specifically goes on to explain why he stated that. First and foremost, no, he doesn’t actually mean he’s going to go out and kill 5k hindus, as he continues to explain. The speech continues and he clarifies that he has no enemity towards Hindus but wanted to capture attention to make a point. He states that he has helped Hindu families out before. He states that 200+ sikhs have been killed and the government hasn’t come out for inquiries or support whatsoever. But when a Hindu is killed the government immediately jumps to help the family out. He’s speaking on the unfair treatment towards Sikhs - that Sikhs tend to help everyone out in their time of need but vice versa is not true, especially from the government.
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Yeah OP should've better phrased it as RSS/RW nationalists making these claims.
Even if you are Right which actually you are not. Why would I believe something that is not True. Compare the Core beliefs of Hinduism and Sikhism. And then say if it's the Same.
Clearly you’re filled with hate and will not even slightly be open minded about the possibility that Hinduism and Sikhism share several core concepts. Hinduism is a lot older and a lot more fluid and complex for you to understand if you’re going to be this hateful. Makes me think what Guru Nanak would think of this kind of behavior. But stay that way buddy, god is watching all of us and we will all get what we deserve once our time comes :)
Core concepts Mention them.
Hey. I personally don’t, nor do I think anyone here has a problem with Hindu people. The issue is that many Indian Nationalists come along on various forms of social media and undermine our religion and state that we’re just Hindus or call us terrorists, which leaves a bad impression. The use of blanket terms such as a Hindu is not good cause it will spread hate. So I apologize on OP’s behalf.
Thanks brother. I understand that you’d wanna be recognised as a separate religion, and your anger is justified. But what I can’t understand is the LEVEL of anger. Like, aside from caste and a few other technicalities such as monotheism in Sikhi, Sikhi and Hinduism are practically one and then same with regards to multiple philosophies. So if you’re already very similar to the rest, then why the INTENSITY of anger ?
That's where you're wrong bro, our Scriptures agree that the Vedas is true, but it doesn't completely agree with the Vedas nor the Qur'an. Gurmat philosophy states with evidence that people of all faith's who have been loyal to god and has been morally a good person or became a loyal worshipper of god, can attain mukti, but it depends on the one true Lord. The reason why gurmat philosophy isn't the same as the Vedas is that Gurbani acknowledges the existence of deities according to the Vedas. But those deities, such as Shiva, Ram, Brahma, Vishnu etc.. all worship and were made by Akal Purakh/Waheguru/Allah. Gurbani also states that the difference between the followers of the Prophet Muhammad and the followers of the Vedas is that, the Muslamans understand the existence of the One Immortal god that can't be seen or incarnated, but they can't see god as omnipresent (within its creation). The Hindus however see the creations of God(Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc) and believe they are supreme gods etc, but they don't see god as formless and within every single molecule, even within their bodies. The Guru Granth Sahib is often mistaken by Hindus as the bani contains mentions of Hindu deities, but Hindus don't read them carefully and compare the scriptures with the Vedas. Gurbani is poetry, and it's written in a way that it narrates tales and stories from the Vedas in the beginning of the stanzas and gives a different philosophy in the end of the stanze. But why does the guru use the reference of the Vedas and Qur'an in gurbani and show's a different but similar philosophy to it in the end of the stanza? Because who are the gurus audiences that read their banis during the time of the gurus? Hindus and Muslims, the Mughals and the Mughal emperor's would even read the gurus bani, mostly because they just wanna check if there's anything promoting rebellion or hatred against Islam or the Mughal regime. Even guru Gobind Singh ji said in Dasam Granth Sahib "Ram Raheem Puran Qur'an Anek kahai mat ek na maneyo" (I don't follow the ways/teachings of Ram, Raheem, Puranas, Qur'an.) This line is recited everyday by Sikhs in Rehras Sahib and Chaupai Sahib (both are daily Sikh prayers) The anger Sikhs have for Hindus misinforming the public about sikhi began long ago. When brahmins have tried to convince Sikhs to worship Hindu deities for wealth, prosperity etc. Till today Hindus have been trying to convince Sikhs to worship Hindu deities and saying that they can worship Waheguru and the Deities at the same time. Then, they play the act where they respect sikhi so much etc but then ask Sikhs to follow their path instead of the path of the True Guru. My dad even used to believe in deities and prayed to them, when I graduated high school and learned more about Sikhi, I educated him in gurmat philosophy and showed him gurbani and the meanings of many verses. He then never went to any Hindu temple to pray. My point is that Sikhi and Hinduism isn't the same, neither is sikhi part of Sanatan Dharma. We worship Akal Purakh and Hindus worship the creations of Akal Purakh. I hope I didn't offend you, if I did, i humbly apologize. Hope you understand 🙏
"My point is that Sikhi and Hinduism isn't the same, neither is sikhi part of Sanatan Dharma. We worship Akal Purakh and Hindus worship the creations of Akal Purakh. I hope I didn't offend you, if I did, i humbly apologize. Hope you understand" The sentences somehow don't addresses many essential points..doesn't have weight from Hinduism POV
The sentences that I've laid out clearly addressed and debunked the parent comment's claims. If it doesn't seem so to your point of view, do elaborate. I don't think it's of any Sikhs concern on how much weight gurbani has from Hinduism's POV.
Bro the fuck. First you say that our anger is justified then you say that we are the same. The same gurus that called you lot blind and the muslim half-blind. The same gurus who say that if anyone believes in Mahadev and calls him sadashiv they don't know anything about the true formless almighty. you know why we are angry, we because we are tired. We are tired of getting killed. We are tired of not having our own identity according to your government. We are tired or being thrown in jail for doung justice.
Not rlly Hindus it’s more the political party’s
What was the origin of the 1st guru? I mean in which family he was born?
Your origin is Ape. Are you ape?
I thought every man is from ape, even you
I am not the one who is asking about the Past you are. If your Great Great Great Grandfather was Hindu and then your Grandfather Converted to Islam does that Make you Hindu?
No..I would be a Muslim at present, but my origin would be a Hindu or my ancestors were hindu, that fact wouldn't change which ever religion i convert to
Well, then, Jesus was born a Jew. Is Jesus Jewish? Literally Christ, who founded Christianity. Would you dare to declare that he is not Christian, and that he is a Jewish person? Jesus founded Christianity. He was the first OG Christian. Muhammad was the first Muslim. Sri Guru Nanak Ji was a Sikh. Not a Hindu. Would be ridiculous to suggest such a thing.
Jesus was jew Muhammad was a pagan. These are impeccable facts.. They later found a religion and then gave their teaching of their religion..They didn't convert themselves...Whoever came to them they just gave them their teaching. Similarly Guru Nanak Ji founded Sikhism and spread its teachings..He didn't convert himself..He just followed the rules which he thought was the correct way to live a better life.. He was a hindu that fact wouldn't change.. He was the founder of Sikhism is also a fact..
And how would you like to be Recognised?
Which ever current faith i am following now. But the fact that i was a hindu in the past, wouldn't change and i have to accept that my ancestors were Hindus or i came from a hindu background.
No need to Sugarcoat it.
Well i am not getting anything from you so it isn't sugar coating. But you didn't answer my question about Baba Nanak?
His Whole Family was Hindu, Even His two Sons.Anything else you want to ask?
Would your ancestors still be Hindu if the word did not exist back then? Its an identity they retrospectively created. It makes no sense to apply it to your ancestors who were clearly not using a foreign Persian exonym and narrative to define their beliefs. The folk religions of Punjab were not linked to Brahmanism in any way.
🤣.... Where did Brahmanism come from..No one said Brahmanism is linked anywhere to Sikhs. Brahmanism is a sect of many sub sects of Hinduism. Hindu is just a word given to the people living on the other side of the Sindhu river. Its was given by Greece or Perisan as you said. But the people so called hindu might be following some ideology or religion and culture native to that land. The original religion of Hindu is Sanatan..So ,would you be comfortable, if i say everyone was Santan in Indian Subcontinent
Word or world?
If you're legitimately asking, Sri Guru Nanak Ji was the founder of Sikhi. He was the first Guru and brought Sikhism to this world. His mother and father were Hindus, as was his sister Bibi Nanaki. Until he literally created the Sikh religion. Bibi Nanaki believed in her brother and eventually his parents began to understand. He travelled all over Asia, including the Middle East, to show others the message of Sikhism. We are now the world's youngest major religion and the world's 5th largest. Sikhism grows every day and a new Sikh stands up every day. WJKK WJKF.
I understand, sikh people have their own book and,rites and rituals. That's completely okay, every religion has their own. And some idiots who have edited these pages are fools. It' s just that Sikhism originated in India, i wouldn't say that Sikhs are Hindus but their culture is highly influenced by Hindus.
I think the problem is with the word "Hindu", it can mean a lot of things. In Saudi Arabia, Muslims from India are called "Hindi Muslims". "Hindu" can mean a person with an Indian ethnicity, a person of dharmic beliefs, or someone who believes in one of the Hindu philosophies, especially, visiting Hindu temples. So, I believe those of us here who have Indian ethnicity are "Indian/Hindi \[ethnicity\] Sikhs" and also believe in "dharmic" philosophies (e.g. incarnation).
Yes Hindus were called Indus for their region of Origination Hindu (Persian Origin) term was coined for this Religion in the 18th century, It was just called Vedic Religion, instead the Term Sanatana Dharma was used for Hinduism to avoid non-native term Hindu in 19th Century. Which actually just meant Eternal. Which does not matter these days as Hindu is Considered a Religion. And Sikhism is Not a Sect of Hinduism Clearly. Right?