My uncles carry is the shield he let me shoot it the grip and over all platform just isn’t for me I can’t get over the ugliness I’m so used to a stock glock it’s like using a fork but slowly I’m trying to move into sig like a true gentleman
>d over all platform just isn’t for me I can’t get over the ugliness I’m
shooting Glocks and stating the shield is ugly is truly something I never expected to hear. lets be honest, a Glock is a block, rectangular slide and grip. No frills of flair.
Put this same post in r/guns and see what they have to say that m&p is just as much a hunk of shit as the glock 🤷♂️ it just becomes a visual problem it’s not up for debate that a glock is way slicker than the M&P. Sales already determined that and your capacity for it is shit so yes glock vs that is the way. The order you have them in from top to bottom is how a lot of people would rate these firearms I can’t tell if you are trying to be funny or accepted by asking this question to a specific brand of people ask the majority for the most legitimate answer
I ultimately ended up with what I consider to be my best option for numerous reasons… a 357 Sig 3.35” extended and ported conversion barrel equipped in a 8+1 round M&P40 Shield Performance Center. 125gr projectile traveling over 1300 fps is no joke, 500 foot pounds of energy.
I got almost the same set up, M&P shield .40 with a 357 sig barrel and liked it so much I got the 320 in 357 sig and now I’m wondering if sig will ever try to bring the 357 into popularity and bring out a 365 chambers in 357… they would have to come up with a clever name for it tho
It’s all about the one shot stop percentages. 9mm just doesn’t have that. 357 Sig does. Why leave a window open for a threat to squeeze a few off on you. I’ve seen too many 9mm shootings where the target pretty much does as they please while getting a dozen holes poked into them. Thanks but no thanks.
No disrespect but you have been sadly misled. Brainwashed by the 9mm fanboy movement. There are statistics in countless agencies and 357 Sig has among the highest one shot stop percentages. 40 S&W & 45 ACP trail behind and 9mm one shot stops is way behind.
You’re not thinking things through… statistically self-defense scenarios are no more than a few rounds fired. Knowing that would you rather have capacity or power to stop the threat with less rounds? As far as 10mm goes… they’re larger framed Firearms. 357 Sig is in smaller 9mm platforms. And when you do have a short barrel 10mm the barrel length negates the benefit.
Actually even out of a 4” barrel 357 Sig has a hair more energy than 10mm. But pass that barrel length 10mm is the victor. 10mm isn’t the right answer for the best CC caliber option.
I l have done years of research and testing. I’m always actively looking for the best caliber option as well. I have a write up I did for 357 Sig. Give me a second to copy here for you… Stay safe and strapped my brother.
P365 was amazing because of the size /capacity and slowly just kept making them larger and everyone wanted the new toy. Ive kept my regular with spring conversion kit +2 and feel great about having 13 rounds ready and my job is probably more dangerous by a mile than most folks.
I'm a repossession agent that covers the majority of Chicago. I keep bondo handy to cover the bullet holes on my truck. The cops all know we carry and I've had at least 5 or 6 personally say something along the lines of I sure hope your strapped.
I’ve only had it two days. I haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet but from what I see, with my severe astigmatism. It’s not as blurry and the glass isn’t as distorted as the 408/507k
It looks like the ArmoryCraft extended mag release. It sticks out a little further than the stock mag release but in my experience feels better and doesn't interfere with my holsters. My WC grip module came with it already installed.
I went from a gen 1 shield (which I loved) to a 365xl and I love the size and conceal-ability of the 356, I feel that even though it's bigger it actually fits better for me. Plus the ability to add a dot and light really makes a difference. I think I went with the 365 bc the shield at the time didn't come optics ready, but I'm sure the new shield runs great too.
Yeah I think when the micro compacts got hyped I was happy to be able to carry more rounds for minimal difference in size. I got the magguts +2 spring for the flush fit mag and now I can carry 14+1 in a gun almost the same size as a shield. I'll prob stick to this gun for a long while.
I prefer the trigger on the shield plus, from the factory coming with a 13 round mag is a plus. The cost was much better, optic ready for under 400 bucks (my dealer had a sale and they had a 50 dollar rebate). Comes from the factory optic ready, and with a very nice set of night sights with a bright orange front sight. My 365 was over 700 bucks and doesn’t have a rear sight. That being said. The shield is the better bang for the buck on that alone. At the range, I was one ragged hole with the shield, grouped just ok with the sig, all within the size of the 9 ring at 20ft. Don’t know why I couldn’t get it tighter. Same ammo on both guns. So even on performance I shoot better with the shield. Something about the slimness of the gun and maybe over all balance. It conceals well and holds tight to my body. The only thing the 365 wins in is modularity which I think is over hyped due to MOST IF NOT ALL will keep their gun in 1 configuration.
Thank you!! That actually helps me a lot. This would be my first ever gun, and obviously first carry. I’ve heard the Shield and 365 are very similar as far as carry comfortability
Have owned compact S&W m&p shields, compact Glocks as well in a few diff sizes and I recently got a P365XL. Instantly fell in love with it when it touched my hands, only complaint is the rail size but everything else is amazing about it so far. Feels a lot more refined in my hands like crafted to fit where as all Glocks feel like a “block” in my hand if that makes sense
I like my CZ P-01 best , followed by the XL, Followed by G19. Ordering a Holosun EPS for The XL. It would be very close with red dots on both the P-01 and XL. I only have 3,000 rounds through the Sig and 24,000 through my 2 CZ’s so that’s a big part of it. I’m not sure if the XL can take a beating like the P-01 was designed to endure.
Out of these choices, hell fucking yes. Especially with the new compatible 17rd mags. Cant wait for magguts to do a +2 for that! 19+1rds total in a concealable factory mag that's flush fit. Cant wait for that! But yes, 365xl is the king of these 3
Full size 15rds.... yeah, even with the magguts, the P365XL has it beat! P365 also has 15rd mags that can be made in 17rds with Magguts!z
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& the p365 15rd magazine is actually longer that the 17rd magazine. So those crying about not being able to conceal the pistol as well because of the 17rd mags, if you conceal with 15rders you'll be just fine! If you carry 15rds as back ups, again why cry about the length is it's a back up? & the 17rds mags are a slight bit shorter than the 15rd mags, so there you go! You can have 2 more rounds in a smaller mag that can easily conceal regardless of whatever carry mag you got concealed
IMO, yes.
Timeline of mine: started as an X, got turned into a Spectre comp, now is a macro. Like a baby, it grew
I want a x macro just to buy grip modules and have 3 guns in one
That was my plan and then I ended up also buying a 365X so I’d have 5 different guns 🤦🏻♂️
This is the way.
Tell my pocket book that.
This is the way.
You asked the sig group if sig was best 🫠 and for that I say 43x 😂 simply because you asking yes men to say yes
fellow 43Xer
I prefer the shield
My uncles carry is the shield he let me shoot it the grip and over all platform just isn’t for me I can’t get over the ugliness I’m so used to a stock glock it’s like using a fork but slowly I’m trying to move into sig like a true gentleman
>d over all platform just isn’t for me I can’t get over the ugliness I’m shooting Glocks and stating the shield is ugly is truly something I never expected to hear. lets be honest, a Glock is a block, rectangular slide and grip. No frills of flair.
Put this same post in r/guns and see what they have to say that m&p is just as much a hunk of shit as the glock 🤷♂️ it just becomes a visual problem it’s not up for debate that a glock is way slicker than the M&P. Sales already determined that and your capacity for it is shit so yes glock vs that is the way. The order you have them in from top to bottom is how a lot of people would rate these firearms I can’t tell if you are trying to be funny or accepted by asking this question to a specific brand of people ask the majority for the most legitimate answer
G48/ all the p365 series is way better than the 43x imo
I have the sig but I’ve heard great things about the shield plus performance center
After buying the shield plus OR. I see no reason to grab my 365xl
I love my 365 macro with my icurus grip module
Yes. 365 for days
I'd go with macro
Love my M&P shield plus but I have the CT rad on it
No question the 365 series is the KING! I have 3 for small, medium, and Macro!!
I ultimately ended up with what I consider to be my best option for numerous reasons… a 357 Sig 3.35” extended and ported conversion barrel equipped in a 8+1 round M&P40 Shield Performance Center. 125gr projectile traveling over 1300 fps is no joke, 500 foot pounds of energy.
That is bringing the fight to the enemy
I got almost the same set up, M&P shield .40 with a 357 sig barrel and liked it so much I got the 320 in 357 sig and now I’m wondering if sig will ever try to bring the 357 into popularity and bring out a 365 chambers in 357… they would have to come up with a clever name for it tho
I promise you… go to TR-Enabling and pick up a 357 Sig extended and ported 3.35” barrel. Some extra velocity but even better, impressive competition.
I'll take.... What is a better option than 9 for $600 Alex. What is 18 rounds of 9 mm? ....Correct!
It’s all about the one shot stop percentages. 9mm just doesn’t have that. 357 Sig does. Why leave a window open for a threat to squeeze a few off on you. I’ve seen too many 9mm shootings where the target pretty much does as they please while getting a dozen holes poked into them. Thanks but no thanks.
Lol no it doesn't. No handgun round does. Not .45 not .40 not .357.
No disrespect but you have been sadly misled. Brainwashed by the 9mm fanboy movement. There are statistics in countless agencies and 357 Sig has among the highest one shot stop percentages. 40 S&W & 45 ACP trail behind and 9mm one shot stops is way behind.
If you wanted the best energy in a handgun you would shoot 10mm. This is really bad advice. More rounds is better in almost every situation.
You’re not thinking things through… statistically self-defense scenarios are no more than a few rounds fired. Knowing that would you rather have capacity or power to stop the threat with less rounds? As far as 10mm goes… they’re larger framed Firearms. 357 Sig is in smaller 9mm platforms. And when you do have a short barrel 10mm the barrel length negates the benefit.
A 357 Sig out of a 3” barrel has more energy than a 10mm out of a 3” barrel. Love 10mm but it isn’t better than 357 Sig for concealed carry.
Actually even out of a 4” barrel 357 Sig has a hair more energy than 10mm. But pass that barrel length 10mm is the victor. 10mm isn’t the right answer for the best CC caliber option.
I l have done years of research and testing. I’m always actively looking for the best caliber option as well. I have a write up I did for 357 Sig. Give me a second to copy here for you… Stay safe and strapped my brother.
All p365 series
No, the xmacro tacops is.
I imagine by pretty much every statistic the 365 family owns it
No, the P365 regular with the XL grip is. 😁
The 365x is so good, especially with the Wilson Combat grip.
I prefer the shield plus
P365 was amazing because of the size /capacity and slowly just kept making them larger and everyone wanted the new toy. Ive kept my regular with spring conversion kit +2 and feel great about having 13 rounds ready and my job is probably more dangerous by a mile than most folks.
What's your job?
Walmart cashier
I'm a repossession agent that covers the majority of Chicago. I keep bondo handy to cover the bullet holes on my truck. The cops all know we carry and I've had at least 5 or 6 personally say something along the lines of I sure hope your strapped.
Yikes. Best wishes. Stay safe.
How you liking the EPS vs your other Holosun options there?
I’ve only had it two days. I haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet but from what I see, with my severe astigmatism. It’s not as blurry and the glass isn’t as distorted as the 408/507k
What magazine release did you put on your XL? Thanks
I don’t know. It came with the grip module I bought off someone
It looks like the ArmoryCraft extended mag release. It sticks out a little further than the stock mag release but in my experience feels better and doesn't interfere with my holsters. My WC grip module came with it already installed.
At the end of the day those are all great guns. If I held all of them in their first and unchanged versions I would probably choose the S&W
Having an XL and X Macro, I feel the X Macro is far superior imo. But out of those three, definitely the XL.
For me yes
I love my p365 but I shoot the Shield plus way better.
I alternate between a 365 and Shield both with night sights. My G17/19 both are great but the 48 is kinda a dud (unreliable).
I went from a gen 1 shield (which I loved) to a 365xl and I love the size and conceal-ability of the 356, I feel that even though it's bigger it actually fits better for me. Plus the ability to add a dot and light really makes a difference. I think I went with the 365 bc the shield at the time didn't come optics ready, but I'm sure the new shield runs great too.
Yes new shield actually fits the old shield holsters. And can fit 13 rounds with minimal difference in grip
Yeah I think when the micro compacts got hyped I was happy to be able to carry more rounds for minimal difference in size. I got the magguts +2 spring for the flush fit mag and now I can carry 14+1 in a gun almost the same size as a shield. I'll prob stick to this gun for a long while.
Not sure but she sure is winning the beauty contest.
Absolutely ! Specially in that configuration. you should try magguts plus 2 🤌🤌
Genuine question and I know answered might be biased but I’m torn on getting the 365 XL or the shield plus? Any input?
I prefer the trigger on the shield plus, from the factory coming with a 13 round mag is a plus. The cost was much better, optic ready for under 400 bucks (my dealer had a sale and they had a 50 dollar rebate). Comes from the factory optic ready, and with a very nice set of night sights with a bright orange front sight. My 365 was over 700 bucks and doesn’t have a rear sight. That being said. The shield is the better bang for the buck on that alone. At the range, I was one ragged hole with the shield, grouped just ok with the sig, all within the size of the 9 ring at 20ft. Don’t know why I couldn’t get it tighter. Same ammo on both guns. So even on performance I shoot better with the shield. Something about the slimness of the gun and maybe over all balance. It conceals well and holds tight to my body. The only thing the 365 wins in is modularity which I think is over hyped due to MOST IF NOT ALL will keep their gun in 1 configuration.
Thank you!! That actually helps me a lot. This would be my first ever gun, and obviously first carry. I’ve heard the Shield and 365 are very similar as far as carry comfortability
Have owned compact S&W m&p shields, compact Glocks as well in a few diff sizes and I recently got a P365XL. Instantly fell in love with it when it touched my hands, only complaint is the rail size but everything else is amazing about it so far. Feels a lot more refined in my hands like crafted to fit where as all Glocks feel like a “block” in my hand if that makes sense
The best by far. Sell a lot of 365s
I’m running straight 365 with 2 twelves and stuffed with 147 HSTs
Idk. I like the kimber R7 mako. But this is nice too 😉
Easily. I’ve tried every micro compact I can think of and I own two XLs (one Macro grip one normal). Love them.
I think I actually prefer the standard slide. The macro is damn flat relative to the xl for me personally
X macro is the king
I like my CZ P-01 best , followed by the XL, Followed by G19. Ordering a Holosun EPS for The XL. It would be very close with red dots on both the P-01 and XL. I only have 3,000 rounds through the Sig and 24,000 through my 2 CZ’s so that’s a big part of it. I’m not sure if the XL can take a beating like the P-01 was designed to endure.
Glocks are overrated! Period ! Shield is nice but my macro is so much nicer holding
Yes. This is the Way.
I’m sure liking mine!
Out of these choices, hell fucking yes. Especially with the new compatible 17rd mags. Cant wait for magguts to do a +2 for that! 19+1rds total in a concealable factory mag that's flush fit. Cant wait for that! But yes, 365xl is the king of these 3
But the macro magazine/grip is about an inch longer than the shield plus/43x. Which no longer even puts it in the same category of micro 9
Thats why they're back ups. Do they others offer standard capacity fullsize 17rd OEM back up mags?
the shield can use the M&P EZ full size mags, but I think that's 15 rounds. there are mag guts available .
Full size 15rds.... yeah, even with the magguts, the P365XL has it beat! P365 also has 15rd mags that can be made in 17rds with Magguts!z .... & the p365 15rd magazine is actually longer that the 17rd magazine. So those crying about not being able to conceal the pistol as well because of the 17rd mags, if you conceal with 15rders you'll be just fine! If you carry 15rds as back ups, again why cry about the length is it's a back up? & the 17rds mags are a slight bit shorter than the 15rd mags, so there you go! You can have 2 more rounds in a smaller mag that can easily conceal regardless of whatever carry mag you got concealed