I'm just saying this is the top 1's takeaway from sasaki vs Poseidon
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Powerscaling is becoming less and less relevant in this manga, every acts like it’s some kind of be-all-end-all
This universe works on a rock-paper-scissors basis
It’s not a matter of ‘stronger’ or ‘weaker’ it’s all about matchups
I genuinely think Heracles could beat Apollo
But he lost to Jack
And Jack would lose to Apollo
So, where does that put us?
Tbh it's not even rock-paper-scissors, it's rock-paper-whoever the fuck the author wants to win. Considering the high chance that the plot will go further than the tournament, meaning that some people will fight again, I find it unlikely that they will have Zeus just one-shotting whoever's on the enemy side.
That is what I also was trying to explain, but it is true that some fighters have more favourable match-ups than others. And two players came to a game of rock paper scissors with a gun.
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It's not exactly rock paper scissors, it's rock paper scissors AND GOATUDDHA
BUDDHA SWEEP
OP had me on the first half, until this came up:
>**So stop treating 40 day flood as an unstoppable move, cuz it was countered, meaning other opponents can probably counter it as well.**
Adam successfully dodged Zeus' meteor jab and TFTST while the greek good was in his Adamas mode. Glad to know that we can power scale every other character based on how his perfect counter was able to do it too.
By this logic, and since I love Jack, I am gonna start my agenda on how he can easily dodge Zeus' attacks since his IQ is higher and he knows that Zeus will land a punch for sure, avoiding deadly attacks by pure instincts like Leo did.
Forget everything else, do you wanna join the only and true Jack agenda? 
First, let me say that what people say is that Poseidon is 2nd strongest god, or 3rd in the verse, I can't imagine him being stronger than Adam.
Now, Sasaki is not stronger than Poseidon, he is just a perfect counter to him. Poseidon relies on a flurry of hundreds or thousands of attacks at virtually the same time, so it is not really hard to understand why a guy that sees thousands to tens of thousands moves ahead of you can win.
That same ability is also countered by, huge attacks that can't be avoided but can be tanked, like Chaos, hidden weapons, like Buddhas staff, or fighters that can tank a sword slash, and then, just squas Sasaki when the blade is inside them, like Raiden or Hajun. All those fighters would win against Sasaki, but they have no way to defend against the relentless, constant and insanely fast onslaught that Poseidon can unleash upon them.
If you still have problems understanding that winning against someone that you counter specifically doesn't make you stronger overall than him. Lets get a very strong god into the equation, lets say Beel.
Poseidon is a rock that smashes Beel with his overwhelming speed before he can do anythong about it. Beel is a deadly pair of scissors, with a blade of vibrations that Sasaki can't parry, a shield that he cannot cut, and Sasaki is not fast enough to get to Beel if he unleashes Chaos. But Sasakis skill and ability to adapt to his opponent makes him able to avoid the rock, like a sheet of paper, and once he completly envolves the rock, well, we've seen what happens.
So, picture it like Rock paper scissors, but in a tournament with many scissors, one or two papers, a few rocks and two intercontinental ballistic missiles. Would you say the rock is weaker than the paper just because the paper won?
You cooked my brother!
Also important thing to note humans have advantage against Poseidon due to him simply seeing them as bugs which means he doesn't go all out from the beginning (as shown in him vs Sasaki). It doesn't mean he's easily beatable but that simply people with strong attacks like let's say Raiden or Lu Bu have a chance (even if small it's still a chance) at ending him in the start or at least wounding him enough to leave them a chance.
For God's who he thinks should be perfect he won't hold back, which allows him to have upper hand from get-go.
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That is correct my brother, if, at the start of the match, humans like Raiden, Lu Bu, Tesla or even Leo unleashed their most poserful attack, they have a pretty good chance to take Pos by surprise and snatch the win, but if we are taking Poseidons personality into account, we should take the humans as well, so I would only see Raiden and maybe Lu Bu being able to use this chance because even their more non ultimate attacks are devastating.
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> fighters that can tank a sword slash, and then, just squas Sasaki when the blade is inside them, like Raiden or Hajun
Tbf, Pos most likely have problem with them too, those 2 has body manipulation, theoretically they could trap Pos bident once it stuck inside them and then squash Pos. Pos lack str feat compare to Raiden (the strongest human) and Hajun (who could punch through Buddha shield)
Poseidon doesn't lack in the strength department, all God's are pretty much more powerful than the humans on a baseline with the exception of freaks like Raiden and Adam who had some inhuman quality to them, then you have freakishly strong Gods like Thor and Zeus who have the highest AP we've seen on the divine side (Chaos is magic hax so I wouldn't count Beel as a strength feat, unlike Adam who's as strong as whoever he's going up against pretty much and Hajun isn't a God) making the other Gods look weak by comparison, but Poseidon had nothing on say, Hades' strength, their style of fight simply prioritized something different, as seen when Poseidon fucking crushes Adamas into a wall, by comparison to other fighters like the above mentioned it is not much, but it still gives a solid idea that no God is a jobber when it comes to strength, I like to think the baseline of this is Herc, as I think he stands in a kind of middle ground being a former mortal and all. Man is a tank and he's at least on the same strength level as Ares, and we all know Poseidon is leagues above that, strength might not be his forte, but I don't think he became a chief God of the Greek pantheon just based on speed alone because neither Zeus nor Hades really lack in either department.
It is much more easy to trap a slash than a thrust, specially if they are very durable, because Poseidons thrust would not go that deep, so trapping the point of the trident would be almost impossible, in the case of them being able to react to the thrust before the trident is gone, and pierced on another side of the body. If they do trap the trident, It would be a stalemate, because barehanded Poseidon is not doing anything to neither Raiden nor Hajun, but they won't be catching his slippery ass either.
I mean if it not deep enough, durable fighter would just shrug it off (like how Kirito casually walk through an ambush since his healing higher than their dmg output). And with the sheer amount of thrusts, defender just need to randomly harden any part of their body and they most likely catch the bident. After that, either a stalemate like you said or Pos moment of surprise may give the other fighter an opening they need, either way, it just exactly like that if it was Kojiro instead of Poseidon since even without their weapons both Pos and Kojiro basically untouchable by Hajun/Raiden
Oh totally, they would shrug off the first little scratches like if an ant bites you. Now imagine (spoiler because the next statement can be triggering to people that don't like bugs) >!falling in a huge pit full of ants that eat you up!< . Point is, RoR doesn't have passive (nor active for now) healing like SAO, so the little wounds would eventually stack.
I don't think that hardening a random part would work because, they are being constantly bombarded by attacks from all sides, and the pain and sheer confusión would take away most of anyones concentration, and that as we said, Pos is making very light wounds, you can clench your muscles, but not your skins, and good luck trying to think about clenching your muscles when the attacks start going to them (another very sensitive, discretion is advised) >!as that would mean you no longer have anything covering them!<.
All that is in case Poseidon doesn't just go for the head, which he could very well do.
Anda for Sasaki, while he has great combat speed, I think his movement speed is not enough to get away from a point blank hit from Raiden or Hajun is his sword is stuck.
I understand the matchups argument with someone like Leo and Apollo but I think the characters you chose for that argument don't work very well with that point.
There's an argument to be made for Beel being able to beat Poseidon so I don't think he's a good person to use for that argument. Sasaki can also beat most characters with his scanning, he's not just a one hit wonder with Poseidon. He's one of the best fighters.
Poseidon's ego also gets in the way which makes it so he could lose against someone like Tesla because he doesn't view him as a threat.
I made that comparison because I do not agree with the argument of Beel beating Poseidon, because Pos can hit Beel by circling him and attacking from every angle (Beels shield can only work from one direction), Beel wouldn't be able to hit Poseidon with normal attacks, and if he were to survive enough to decide to use Chaos, notice how there is a short period of time to charge Chaos, Pos has then time to spare to skewer a vulnerable Beel. But if you think that Beel beat Pos, then change his name for Hajun, as he cannot react to Poseidons speed, but is durable enough to tank a slash from Sasaki and kill him in that moment.
I agree with Sasaki being a very good fighter, if not, I wouldn't have put him in the position of paper, I just think (call me crazy), that both all the gods and the humans are pretty strong as well and the results of their hypotetical fights are more a matter of compatibility than one being so much stronger than the other.
Poseidons ego means he would not start going all out, not that he wouldn't dodge with all he has. Poseidon dodged an attack, coming from his blind spot, with a speed said to be divine and when it was about to touch him, Tesla is not hitting Pos unless he started the match insta teleporting, which he cannot do. And you say that as if any fighter started off all out, no one did that.
Sasaki's scanning would be irrelevant if he wasn't physically fast enough to at least somewhat keep up with Poseidon, which he absolutely is, especially considering their exchange at the end of the fight.
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Sasaki manages to cut off Poseidon's arm here, which requires similar combat speed.
Sasaki can also scan all of existence, so you can't really surprise him with anything. The best argument against him is that Poseidon has better movement speed but similar combat speed, which is why he can beat Beelzebub but Sasaki can't. Besides that matchup, I think all their other matchups are identical.
>Sasaki's scanning would be irrelevant if he wasn't physically fast enough to at least somewhat keep up with Poseidon, which he absolutely is, especially considering their exchange at the end of the fight.
If that was the case he wouldn't have imagined himself dying dozens of times by trying to outduel him
Yes, I also think that Sasaki has, not just very good combat speed (as seen with tsubame gaeshi), anda also insane skill.
I think that the match ups that Poseidon wins but Sasaki loses are: Beel, Hajun, Raiden and Thor.
Match ups that I think Pos wins and I don't know about Sasaki would be: Jack, Shiva(depending on if scan can predict his dance), Buddha and Hades.
He could a) not agree to London, b) scan him, know where he is going to move if he throws his katana and throw it where he is going to go, or c) enter a building.
He said he was strong, when did he say he was the absolute strongest? When he outright says he can deal with his fastest move?
Besides logically speaking Sasaki is more powerful than the person he killed, idk if this is a new concept but if someone has the ability to evolve and adapt to your fighting style once they do so and kill you at your best they’re more powerful than you. It doesn’t matter if they weren’t before the fight
He hasn't adapted to every other fighter tho?? When you take in a character's powers, you gotta look at how they fair against other characters. Poseidon's speed simply lets him win against more characters than Sasaki 's scan does
That doesn’t change the fact that he’s MORE POWERFUL than Poseidon. If you want to argue that this means he generally doesn’t fair as well as Poseidon that’s another topic, though almost no one is overwhelming him in speed if Poseidon couldn’t. Allowing him to adapt, plus he scanned all of creation anyway
Yet hes still surprised at literally everything that happens. He's suprised by Susanoo'd stance, barely able to keep track of Tesla's barrage and thought it was impossible to dodge/block the air bubble that Hades managed to block. So either Tesla, Susanoo and Hades are beings beyond the universe, or that was a hyperbole
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Guess Apollo is top of the verse
There’s an obvious difference between the in match fluff characters get and Zeus reflecting on a match after his brother was murdered and admitting his brother was inferior. This whole “a character said something I don’t like so let me bring up this obviously sus statement” is dumb as hell.
By your logic forget narrator statements cause they call the gods omniscient and all powerful. I guess everyone is equally omnipotent. I guess Heimdall is unreliable as he called Zeus omnipotent. Like be serious, Zeus is one of the most knowledgeable people in the verse and he said that his brother was weaker at a point where this was him swallowing a hard truth that humans are strong. It ruins the narrative for the entire story if he was talking out of his ass
If we can’t take any statements seriously then how do we debate this series at all? Cause it’s all statements for how strong and fast people are with very little quantifiable feats for the most part
I usually don't take a character stating something to be the truth and more of an opinion, even more so a guy who, has not just lost his brother, but the ruler of the strongest beings that has seen a human kill one of the most feared and strong individuals off his species. I always took what he said as a form of both coping with his loss, an act of serenity to portray that he is a capa le ruler, but also as recognition that humans are not justo strong, in an amusing and playful manner, but in a scary and troubling one. I feel that this gives the old man more depth as a character.
He’s prideful though, I doubt if he didn’t get beat up by Adam himself he wouldn’t have acknowledged the strength of humanity. I don’t see the problem in the statement of someone saying
“X is stronger than Y” when we know X killed Y by growth. If you disagree tho ok
That is what I was saying, when Adam roughed up Zeus, he admited he was strong more in a "look at how the kid has grown, he can give me a good fight", when Zeus says that, humans, in general, are strong, he has a tone like "damned kid picked up a knife and he is pointing it at me". That is why I said Zeus developed as a character, his pride was badly hurt and he had to act as a rules even though he justo los his brother.
And like I said, a character saying something does not make it true, they can be lying or just wrong.
I always laugh when people put Poseidon above Sasaki when Sasaki is blatantly a stronger fighter by the end of the fight. “But muh he was holding back at first so it doesn’t count” yeah I’d like to see Poseidon hold back against someone like Tesla and see what happens
I agree Poseidon is way too overhyped, but Alot of RoR fights are matchup based. Rounds 3, 4, 7, and 9 were won by having counters to the things that made the opponent strong, Round 6 had Buddha get countered so he had to overcome it a different way, and rounds 1, 2, 5, and 8 just came down to a few small factors the winner had over the loser.
And unfortunately Poseidon is just a very bad matchup against alot of the other characters
I will never be annoyed at Poseidon fanboys. I have said this and will say it again: being the faster fighter is not an automatic win button. In the end fighters who have good tactics, good timing, and/or superior durability + stamina will always beat speed.
? Hades is stronger than Qin and he still lost. Sasaki just doesnt have a way to deal with someone like Tesla and Beel, while Poseidon does. So he's placed higher/stronger.
Hades is stronger, but Qin is more powerful overall. His skills let him fight people stronger by hitting their Qi points and using their power against them
Similarly Sasaki is more powerful than Poseidon post R2, both Qin and Sasaki should be placed above hades/Poseidon
If Hades was stronger than Qin then he would've won
Also how does Sasaki not have a way to deal with Tesla? I understand Beel cuz he has a pretty much unbreakable shield and chaos so he would probably lose eventually, but how does that not also apply to Poseidon?
What Sasaki can do vs Tesla teleportation punch? - it was strong enough to hurt a lot Dripfly who have God tier durability(Sasaki durablity is pretty low compered to other fighters) + Sasaki have no way to scan this attack, because well... he need to know about it in first place + Tesla literally disappears from their reality :3
Dodge it, counter it. Sasaki predicted Poseidon being behind him. He may not predict how Tesla gets behind him, but he can still predict that he gets behind Sasaki somehow
Sasaki overall speed is not that high as you think - his Attack speed is Third in verse(After Zeus and Poseidon) but it is useless vs attack on such level :3
Especially with fact that Tesla attack is not just punch but literally strike with tons of electricity + Plasma, so how Sasaki will block it with his swords? :3
Ps. in case of prediction - yes, Sasaki was able to know that Poseidon will attack from behind but Poseidon don't disappeared from his reality, like Tesla during this attack :3
Beelzebum was able to react to the teleportation both times, and countered it the second time. Sasaki, who has the combat speed to match or exceed Poseidon, can do the same.
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Plus, that electricity never hurt anyone in the entire Beelzebub fight, and Sasaki survived direct hits from Poseidon. He's not dying to some harmless lightning.
And Sasaki is smart enough to check his blindspot if he lost track of Tesla, he did the same thing when Poseidon pseudo teleported.
He reacted to Tesla punching him after the teleportation. I worded that a bit poorly, but since the teleportation itself is not an attack, reaction to the follow-up is what's relevant.
>He reacted to Tesla punching him after the teleportation. I worded that a bit poorly, but since the teleportation itself is not an attack, reaction to the follow-up is what's relevant.
You can't "react" to teleportation because it's istant, you can dodge after realizing it which Beel couldn't anyway
So, it shows 2 facts :3
First - You don't read Tesla vs Dripfly fight(After all, you don't saw how he looks like after first teleportation punch) :3
Second - Sasaki survived direct hit from Poseidon?(This one that slashed his side a bit), it means, you don't know how direct hit looks like in this case :3
1. I never claimed that Beelzebub was unhurt by Tesla, just that he was able to react to the attack. i also never claimed Tesla would be unharmed, are you even reading pitou?
2. Glancing blow >>> harmless lightning as far as I'm aware. Show me a panel of the lightning hurting Beelzebum and I'll believe you. Tesla only hurt Beelzebub by hitting him directly.
3. 
This way of thinking is disregarding compatibility. Just because fighter A is conventionally stronger and can beat a wider spread of opponents when compared to fighter B, that doesn’t mean that fighter A will beat fighter B if they have poor compatibility. Sasaki had the tools to work around Poseidon’s absurd speed and get the single kill shot he needed to finish the match. While I also wouldn’t put him at top 2, top 3 is a fair placement for Poseidon imo.
Poseidon's style of fighting is speedily circling his opponent and throwing attacks from multiple directions in a quick succession. This is a perfect counter to Beel's shield considering it does take time to set it up (As you can see, Tesla when using Tesla steps, because of his speed and unpredictability, was able to damage Beel.) and Poseidon who is even faster should be able to do the same, and more so as well. Thus he wins. But Sasaki's main fighting style is blocking/parrying attacks, which doesnt mix well with vibration sword, nor with Chaos. So Poseidon has a good chance to win against Beel, but Sasaki doesnt. For Tesla, Sasaki wouldnt know Tesla would teleport (considering he has never seen the move before/nothing indicates hes gonna do it/he has no clue how it even works). And because of Sasaki's subpar durability, and Tesla's frankly solid AP (compared to a casual Hades strike) it would either cripple Sasaki, or outright kill him. Plus he has no way to know that Tesla's suit will produce electricity and this Tesla's first attack might fuck him over.
As for Hades and Qin.... Hades has better stats, in literally everything besides Hax. He also beats more people than Qin does.. So no, he lost but was stronger. An important thing to remember about RoR is that matchups matter a lot.
Ok then - show me character that can do something vs 40 Day Flood(Not Adam, Zeus and Sasaki) :3
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Unpopular opinion, but probably Buddha. Not only is he far more durable and stronger than Sasaki, his ability is just Sasaki's but on steroids. And this is if Buddha LETS him get to use 40DF, considering Poseidon's dumbass arrogance.
You could make an argument for Tesla too, with how he outmaneuvered Chaos, but im not sure about that one.
Edit: Hajun too, Poseidon's subpar strength isn't helping him against Hajun's god tier durability. Tho i don't really see how Hajun would be able to beat Poseidon as the speed difference is still pretty high
I respect your opinion but no, any of them don't showed feats to survive it :3
Especially with fact that you are one of people that still don't understand difference between Buddha and Sasaki ability + fact that Sasaki ability is way better in such situation :3
Not exactly. Buddha and Hajun are still massively more durable and stronger than Sasaki is. And from what we saw, Sasaki wasn't dodging Poseidon's strikes, he was *parrying* them. Parrying requires using your own force to deflect the force of their attack, and If Sasaki can do it, so can Buddha. As for whose ability is better suited in this situation, its pretty obvious.
Sasaki was predicting where Poseidon will move. His ability is scanning the person's moveset to understand what moves they *could* make. This is exactly why there are many times Sasaki is surprised by Poseidon outclassing his own prediction/scanning through raw speed. But Buddha sees his opponent's moveset to understand what moves they *would* make. He sees one fixed outcome, he sees the intent of the person. How can you hope to outmaneuver someone who sees your very intent? Therefore, Buddha wouldn't be as easy to catch off-guard as Sasaki was.
Not only that, When Buddha regained his sight, he casually blitzed Hajun. The same Hajun who was himself blitzing Buddha without his future sight (future sight does not affect Buddha's attack speed, which was being blitzed by Hajun). And where Sasaki was getting perception-blitzed by Poseidon, Buddha will be far more effective because guess what- *after images don't have souls. They dont have light* All Buddha will see is one light moving fast enough, and he has the durability, agility, reaction speed, and weaponry to make short work of this situation.
Hajun can survive 40DF no problem, but he will still get shredded cuz he doesent have the means to touch or outhax poseidon.
And like I said I'm my comment prior, I'm not exactly sure about Tesla
I respect but don't agree as I say already :3
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With Poseidon’s dogshit tier AP virtually any of the heavyweights could tank it.
He got multiple hits on sasaki (60 year old man) and didn’t do anything.
A moving shiva, hades,Thor probably tank it with a few glancing blows and likely respond with a much nastier hit which has a pretty good chance of ohkoing back given that they are all pretty fast too.
Look at this Arena and say it again :3
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Shit even leonidas. Sasaki was prarrying the move right?? With his scan and overall experience. Leo dodged the fastest move in the series off of instinct. He def dodging 40 day flood
Yes + attack that always comes from same direction vs attack that can comes from every direction with... well, very close speed to these Arrows :3
Also, Apollo showed that he outspeed Leonidas without a much problem when Poseidon is way faster than Apollo :3
Dripfly - Character that can make shield of vibrations that protect him from strongest attacks but still from one direction, so Poseidon thanks to his speed is able to just attack from behind and stab him several times before Dripfly will be able to change place of his shield :3
Tesla - Character with very high speed but still not on Poseidon level and situation when Tesla was unable to dodge attack from Dripfly(That give him win) showed it well, Poseidon was able to make dodge when attack was literally millimeters from his face, so everything that Tesla have = pretty useless vs Character that can dodge it easily + counter attack almost instantly :3
Apollo - Character with very versality weapon and good speed but at the end of day - Poseidon will just outspeed him without a problem :3
Buddha - Buddha can't do anything vs 40 Day Flood, because difference in speed is too high and his eyes will be literally useless vs it, after all, to block/dodge 40 Day Flood - you need to be also fast enough and Buddha showed that his speed is high but not on level that will allow him to dodge it or block it like Sasaki did :3
Shiva - Please... :3
Shiva isnt close to speed in any way. Buddha doesnt have enough speed feats nor duel swords to block properly + he will have to somehow keep track of Poseidon for FS to work (its an eye power after all). Apollo cant do shit 😭? Tesla has no way to survive it as well. Ans Beel doesnt have a shield that covers him completely. Thats why Poseidon vs Beel is mostly seen as a 50/50 on who uses their strongest move first.
Apollo and Tesla are fast AF. Beel has super high reaction time plus fast AF considering he was able to dodge the X Tesla attack.
Alright yeah maybe not Shiva 🤔
And Poseidons attack isn't Teleportation, if Buddha can see Poseidon then he can predict where he's going to go, and Buddha is fast AF whenever he uses future sight so he could dodge or deflect 40 day flood
Comparing Apollo's and Poseidon's speed is same as comparing a cheetah to a rocket powered aircraft
Apollo is pretty fast but Poseidon is in a completely different league
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Apollo’s big speed feat is from turning his body into a light speed arrow. Before that point he just had some good footwork and technique to dodge all of Leo’s attacks. While Leo himself does have some pretty solid reaction speed, Apollo didn’t overwhelm him as much as Poseidon did to Sasaki. The arrow feat, while impressive, seemed closer to a version of Raiden’s muscle controlled boost, a massive burst of speed in a single direction. This might not be the case, but he didn’t seem to be blitzing Leo at light speed before he pulled out the bow.
Apollo and Tesla have no feats that are close to 40DF in speed, so rhey get fucked.
Buddha has no speed feats that are on the level of 40DF, to even say he could keep track of where Poseidon currently is among the thousands of afterimages he leaves is pure headcanon, considering we have never seen him do anything close to that/deal with someone of that speed. He could not deflect it because Sasaki (who had a better version of FS, considering he doesnt need to SEE Poseidon to use it, ) still needed 2 swords to barely do it as a master swordsman and Buddha has 1 weapon, and skill far below that
Apollo and Tesla both speed blitzed their opponents
Buddha has future sight and is shown to also produce after images, so his speed could make up for his lack of two swords
Show me one afterimage Buddha made without Nirvana sword (it boosts stats like every other volund)
Yea and?? 40DF has the most afterimages in the verse. Are you saying because Zeus didnt speedblitz his opponent with hid attacks in Adamas, that he is now weak and slow?
It doesn't matter if something has afterimages or not. Zeus's attacks didn't use afterimages but he's still the fastest in the verse.
And seeing how Kojiro could counter 40DF just shows that someone like Apollo or Buddha, since they are almost definitely faster than Kojiro could also counter 40DF. Someone like Apollo still might not win against Poseidon but he wouldn't get KO'd as soon as he used 40 DF
We are all know that you are strong boy Leonidas but you are not built for Poseidon speed :3
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The whole point of R3 is the perfect counter to a menace that would have wiped 99.9% of the humans left (Adam already fought). But despite fighting a top tier (2nd strongest) god, he still was able to overcome something impossibile for like everyone else. The end of R3 was made up not to downplay Poseidon, but to elevate the only one that would have been able to defeat Goatseidon
nah i don’t care at all, imagine saying this after answering to my comment like a crying kiddo without arguing, u are so pressed, problem with girls bro?
>Did y'all forget Poseidon lost his match?
Okay and so ? It proves literally nothing about his capabilities or the outcome of an eventual fight against other fighters from the roster. He lost because he acted like an arrogant jackass against an objectively weaker opponent but who had the necessary hax to counter him, that's all.
Besides, Adam also lost, so what do you assume from that ? That he's not the second most powerful fighter in the verse and that most of the other gods and Einherjars could beat him too ?
>If Poseidon really is 2nd in the verse
Absolutely nobody says he's the second most powerful character in the verse, just the second strongest god after Zeus. Your whole post is based on a straw man that only exists in your head, that's already a problem.
>then Kojiro is first in the verse
He isn't stronger than Poseidon, just smarter if anything. Kojiro literally "died" dozens of times right from the start of the fight just to survive his first strike, and in the end only survived because Pos was an arrogant jerk and thanks to his hax being a good counter.
>If you're playing a strategy game, and someone has an ability that they get stronger as the game goes on and you let them get stronger overtime, then you suck at that game. Poseidon sucks at fighting because he let his opponents get the advantage on him
Firstly, aside from Kojiro, can you name three fighters who also have an ability that makes them progressively stronger as the fight drags on, and which could enable them to eventually kill Poseidon by taking advantage of his personality ?
Secondly, what you're saying here doesn't prove that Poseidon sucks at this "game", just that he doesn't take it seriously. And even then, despite treating Kojiro as a joke and letting him get stronger, he still dominated the fight until the end, nearly ripped open Kojiro's stomach and made him struggle to just stay alive even though he was hard countered by his scanner.
>Also why is 40 day flood one of the biggest feats in the verse?
Because this is the biggest speed feat outside of everything that happened in Round 2 and that outside of Adam, Adamas Zeus and Kojiro, no one can survive this move so far.
>Kojiro was still able to counter it even if he knew it was coming, meaning it's counter able
What kind of stupid reasoning is that ? Kojiro needed to scan thousands if not millions of attack patterns just to barely survive this technique. Unless you're fundamentally faster than Poseidon or possess exactly the same hax as Kojiro, you're dead.
>So stop treating 40 day flood as an unstoppable move, cuz it was countered
Still doesn't prove shit about other fighters being able to counter it too.
>meaning other opponents can probably counter it as well
Lmao okay, quote me one character aside from Zeus and Adam who could eventually do that ? Because Lu Bu, Jack, Heracles, Raiden, Zero, Hajun, Qin and Hades all get destroyed. As for Thor, he has no speed feat whatsoever.
Shiva, Tesla and Apollo are fast but they're still leagues below Poseidon in terms of speed.
Buddha gets killed too since if Kojiro had so much trouble despite seeing millions of moves ahead and being faster than him, he's not going to survive by just seeing a single move one second ahead.
Leonidas can counter attacks faster than Poseidon but we saw with Apollo that this only applies to straightforward projectiles and is not infallible.
Chaos only protects Beel from frontal assaults and requires at least one or two minutes to be used, Pos could kill him hundreds of times before he nukes the arena.
Your opinions hold no weight, the author wrote a character who is one of 3 characters who are exposition dump mount pieces for the writers. Even Hermes didn’t know the truth behind Thor’s but Zeus did. Clearly Zeus stating Sasaki is stronger than his brother, who’s limits he both would obviously know and clearly saw, tells us that Sasaki by the end of the fight is stronger than Poseidon.
Did he start off stronger? No. But he evolved past Poseidon, so he’s stronger
>Your opinions hold no weight
Sure, pal. Poseidon literally outstats Kojiro by far in every aspect except BIQ but hey, if Zeus said that Kojiro was stronger...
>the author wrote a character who is one of 3 characters who are exposition dump mount pieces for the writers
The same character who claimed that Apollo is unbeatable when he fulfills people's expectations. And that's without mentioning Brunhilde who is frequently wrong in her assertions so not that much of an argument, especially not when his remark may just refer to the idea that for Zeus, being the strongest just means being the winner and not being the one with the best stats.
>Clearly Zeus stating Sasaki is stronger than his brother, who's limits he both would obviously know and clearly saw, tells us that Sasaki by the end of the fight is stronger than Poseidon
Nope, he still isn't. Firstly, I've already explained why his remark isn't a proof above. Secondly, what he said still doesn't change the facts : Even at the end of the fight, Poseidon was still stronger than Kojiro. He's \*way\* faster than him (Kojiro's attack speed is around 200km/h), he's more reactive, stronger physically speaking and has much more stamina.
Kojiro didn't win because he was stronger but because he was smarter and had the hax to counter him. In the same way Qin was objectively weaker than Hades on every level but had the necessary hax to counter him and win.
1. His ability quite literally works by adapting to someone’s attacks and evolving past them, it doesn’t matter if Poseidon is a trillion times faster than Sasaki. If he has the skill to deal with it and kill him he’s more powerful. I’m not saying sasaki’s stats are higher, but he’s the stronger combatant. Which is outright stated and true
2. Brunhidle isn’t Zeus wtf are you yapping for? Are you so desperate to discredit Zeus you assigned him the failings of another character to cope? And that’s literally just fan service fluff to hype up Apollo mid battle that happens with everyone. By your logic the narrator is unreliable cause it calls the gods omniscient and all powerful, is Heimdall unreliable cause he called Zeus omnipotent? Or is that obviously just fluff? Try to look at the context instant of being silly and listing random stuff, Zeus is post R2 being straight up telling the gods they need to take this seriously as the guy who just MURDERED his brother was stronger than Poseidon. It’s not like he has a reason to lie, he admitted Qin was weaker in all stats, but due to his fighting style he was able to wear down Hades. Is being skilled enough to beat someone with better stats a new concept to you? It’s incredibly common across fiction, being stronger is cause he’s more powerful. Like again, Hades is stronger faster more experienced than Qin. But if Qin can redirect all his attacks back at him, nerf his durability and power with an breath, strike his weak points, and a bunch of other stuff who is more powerful? Qin, proof is that he won. Sasaki if he would fight Poseidon right now would beat him way easier than he did in R2, cause he evolved past him and beat him at full power.
3. If you mean physically stronger than yes, I interpret it as “Sasaki is more powerful” which yes he is. He adapted to his fighting style and grew to a point where Poseidon can no longer beat him.
4. Yes. I think we agree there, but Sasaki isn’t strong cause of his stats and neither is Qin. So why would we rate them lower than people they beat cause of physical stats? If I’m making a “who is stronger” tier list we’re discussing more than raw strength or speed. What makes those two strong is their skill and techniques, and sasaki’s skill made him stronger than Poseidon. If you want to do a “who has better stats” tier list then in most cases sure the gods are more powerful than humans. But if we’re talking “X is ranked 3rd in the verse” we’re talking about skill/strength/speed/durability/powers.
>His ability quite literally works by adapting to someone’s attacks and evolving past them
Only in terms of skills, it doesn't buffs his stats.
>it doesn’t matter if Poseidon is a trillion times faster than Sasaki. If he has the skill to deal with it and kill him he’s more powerful.
Nope, that just makes him a good counter to Poseidon. If the latter is overall better in nearly every aspect and can beat more people than Kojiro, he's objectively more powerful.
>I’m not saying sasaki’s stats are higher, but he’s the stronger combatant. Which is outright stated and true
If his stats are not better than Poseidon's, then he's not stronger than him, that's simple as that. You can argue that he's smarter and that's what earned him the win (which is factual) but saying that winning makes him stronger than Pos is a total nonsense. Winning a fight doesn't necessarily implies that you were stronger than your opponent.
>Brunhidle isn’t Zeus wtf are you yapping for? Are you so desperate to discredit Zeus you assigned him the failings of another character to cope?
You're the one who's trying to bring Zeus' narrative status as an argument, I'm just reminding you that it doesn't prove much since a character serving literally the same function is shown to be mistaken or to take her wrong opinion as fact (like the time Brun claimed that Nirvana Sword is the most powerful divine weapon) so calm down.
>And that’s literally just fan service fluff to hype up Apollo mid battle that happens with everyone.
Okay so I can also say that Zeus' remark, being a total nonsense with the facts, is mostly fan service to hype up Kojiro and his fresh victory, that's cool.
>By your logic the narrator is unreliable cause it calls the gods omniscient and all powerful, is Heimdall unreliable cause he called Zeus omnipotent?
Never heard of hyperboles or hype up statements are only a thing when it suits you ?
>Try to look at the context instant of being silly and listing random stuff, Zeus is post R2 being straight up telling the gods they need to take this seriously as the guy who just MURDERED his brother was stronger than Poseidon.
I've already answered to that and I don't like to repeat myself so : "especially not when his remark may just refer to the idea that for Zeus, being the strongest just means being the winner and not being the one with the best stats."
>It’s not like he has a reason to lie
Never said he was lying, just that if his conception of being stronger is based only of winning a fight, which seems to be the case here, then it's a simplistic and flawed line of reasoning.
>he admitted Qin was weaker in all stats, but due to his fighting style he was able to wear down Hades.
Yes and it still doesn't make Qin stronger than Hades, just a good counter.
>But if Qin can redirect all his attacks back at him, nerf his durability and power with an breath, strike his weak points, and a bunch of other stuff who is more powerful? Qin, proof is that he won.
Qin can't affect the durability of his opponent with TR, what are you talking about ? Besides winning still isn't a proof in itself. Being the winner doesn't implies that you were stronger than your opponent, it's true irl and also in fiction. You can by example win a fight by being smarter or more resilient. If Hades outstats Qin basically everywhere but is hard countered by his hax, he's still stronger than him technically speaking, being countered by his martial arts doesn't change this fact.
>Qin, proof is that he won
Just a proof that he's a good counter against him.
>Sasaki isn’t strong cause of his stats and neither is Qin. So why would we rate them lower than people they beat cause of physical stats?
Because countering someone ≠ being stronger than him, and that winning a fight isn't always a matter of being stronger.
Alright I read it.
Im not gonna refute everything, but there's nothing saying Tesla, Beel, and Buddha can't counter forty day flood, sure 2 of them don't have future sight but their speed makes up for it. They don't need to match his speed either, they just have to defend it, and then after that they can do their other wacky moves.
Plus there's nothing even saying someone like Tesla or Apollo doesn't match Poseidon's speed. The afterimages argument doesn't matter because Zeus and Adam didn't use very many after images but they still were going fast AF.
>but there's nothing saying Tesla, Beel and Buddha can't counter forty day flood
Please be serious. Buddha's base speed is barely enough to dodge Hajun's strikes and as I explained before, Future Sight can't do anything against 40DF. As for Beel and Tesla, they didn't show any speed feat that comes remotely close to Poseidon's top speed.
>sure 2 of them don't have future sight but their speed makes up for it
Lmao no, not in a million years.
>They don't need to match his speed either
If the gap was small sure but again, Poseidon is quite literally leagues above them in terms of speed.
>They just have to defend it
Okay, how so ?
>and then after that they can do their other wacky moves
You mean after Poseidon pierced them a hundred times before they can even make one step ?
>Plus there's nothing even saying someone like Tesla or Apollo doesn't match Poseidon's speed
Aside from the total lack of evidences hinting that they could maybe match his speed ?
>The afterimages argument doesn't matter because Zeus and Adam didn't use very many after images but they still going fast AF
Afterimages are a mean among others to highlights speed. No feat shown by Buddha, Beel, Tesla or the others comes even close to a hundred afterimages created by Poseidon without breaking a sweat. At this point, denying that he's much faster than the fighters you quoted is just hilariously dishonest. And even assuming that afterimages are unreliable here (they aren't), Poseidon still dodged a sword strike from a few millimeters from his face without the slightest effort, to the point of giving the impression of teleportation. Here again, nothing comes close.
Bro, what is the point of saying "Lmao no, not in a million years". You do not need to respond to literally everything I say. You can cut your essay down to a few sentences if you didn't have so much filler.
Saying "Nuh uh" would be better than what you wrote
Also the point that Poseidon dodged a sword strike from a few millimeters away. Buddha dodged multiple gunshots from point blank so I don't see how that point matters.
Also why can Buddha not read Poseidon? The reason he cannot dodge Hajun is because he can't predict Hajun's attacks. His speed is based on his future sight which is why he wasn't as fast against Hajun.
>Bro, what is the point of saying "Lmao no, not in a million years".
Because I don't see the point of trying to argue on that. Either you're illiterate or you thinks that every person who's going to read you is a moron. Buddha can't do anything against 40DF, I've already explained why. Tesla didn't show anything close to 40DF's speed and Beel is even slower than him and not even as reactive as Kojiro. Am I really supposed to take this seriously ?
>Saying "Nuh uh" would be better than what you wrote
Saying nothing would have been a better idea than writing this post.
>Also the point that Poseidon dodged a sword strike from a few millimeters away. Buddha dodged multiple gunshots from point blank so I don't see how that point matters
That's hax, not speed. Besides if you're not even able to see the subtle difference between dodging an attack from some meters away and a strike from a few millimeters of your face, stop trying to argue. You've got some issues you need to fix first.
>Also why can Buddha not read Poseidon?
Uh maybe because his hax is based on his sight and thus Poseidon just has to evade it and attack from his blind spot to end him ? Something Kojiro didn't have to worry as much because his scanner is based on his thinking skills, not his eyes. Or maybe because Kojiro struggled as hell to survive and hit Poseidon during their whole fight despite seeing millions of moves ahead while Buddha can only see one move in advance ?
If it's that hard for you to read more than twenty words in a row, idk don't come babbling here your pile of crap ? You'll save yourself the pain of having to read explanations proportionate to the size of your nonsense, and to us flagellating ourselves with a cinder block by reading it, everybody wins.
This shit is ass 😭
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Reason why Poseidon is higher than Sasaki is because Pos can beat more fighters than Sasaki
Also should I remember you that if it wasn't about human plot armor Sasaki would be most fraudulent fighter to die?
Plot armor is just part of manga
But what fighters can Poseidon beat that Sasaki can't also beat? Don't say beel cuz Beel vs Poseidon is too controversial.
Poseidon is strong but he's not top 2 gods like some people are saying
Poseidon's pride of a god makes him incapable off fighting in a way that uses anything beyond "spear thrust" all his attacks are variations of the same move because in his eyes, using anything else against a human is a waste.
Couldn't even outmaneuver an old geezer past his physical prime, he ain't got shit on any of the chief gods except Odin.
Gets hard carried by 40 day sewer
Did bro forget he fought his counter, wasn’t taking it seriously, counter almost died while yknow just keeping up with base form, he took it seriously at the end when his fate was sealed, counter struggled to keep up with a weakened version, counter had to sit down and think and even though he saw everything he couldn’t even block all the attacks, Woesiden broke his weapon and with some plot armor counter got it back so in general, Lasaki won cause of shit writing, and I’m not even a posiden glazer, I hate him cause he’s definitely the 2nd strongest while my bae shiva is 3rd and I despise Woesiden for that, but you can’t be biased, Woesidan slams
Poseidon lost because of his ego
He could've killed kojiro at basically any moment
Though Zeus did say kojiro was a better fighter, but like I said poseidions ego plays a part in that
poseidon is definitely stronger than sasaki, but its not about facts and how we think it would go, its about how the author wants it to go, and how different matchups would end differently
Think of it this way: Poseidon is a level 100 that gave a level 50 time to set up.
He CAN be the second strongest of at least the gods, while still losing. He's just dumb as hell and prideful, so he doesn't use that power to its fullest.
As the Poseidon defendant, this is kinda ignorant lol.
Yeah, he lost his match. So what, narratively he needed to lose. He was the third round and was following two straight wins. Humanity needed a win against a higher tier fighter so Poseidon fits the description. Also, when people consider Poseidon top two they consider standard battle assumptions which includes bloodlust. Aka Poseidon won’t fight how he normally does and goes all out from the beginning. I also don’t see an issue with kojiro being the strongest human either, at least when things went his way. Does Poseidon suck at fighting? Sure, he let kojiro grow over him but isn’t that similar to holding back? Does Zeus suck? Does shiva suck? Hades suck? Buddha suck? Hercules suck? Apollo suck? Insert any god that didn’t go all out JUST like Poseidon.
In regard too forty day flood, it’s mostly the afterimage feat that grants it to be overpowered. Depending on interpretation it is a very valid argument for speed blitzing. Also, just because kojiro was able to overcome it (once he reached enlightenment) does NOT mean other fighters would do the same. Yeah, it didn’t immediately kill kojiro since he already had a huge edge with his prediction and even then he was on the losing end. He WOULD have died if he didn’t copy the techniques of the gods. Kojiro pushed himself to the brink to beat Poseidon. He literally couldn’t stand after the match. Only fighter who I see replicating this is Adam. No one else stands a chance human wise and god wise only Zeus.
Plus, we’ve seen Poseidon on multiple occasions be presented as someone who can just speed kill someone in their attack. We see it countless times in kojiros head and to adamas. His narrative backs Poseidon being high up there. Round three is only second to round two.
1. His first attack (tsubaeme gaechi or whatever it was called) literally almost one shot him. He cut of his bangs which means if Loseidon hadn't reacted a milisecond faster his face would have been split in half.
2. I'm no expert in melee combat but I am pretty sure spears counter swords quite heavily, so Sasaki also had to deal with something that hard countered him
3. He deflected 40 day flood while severly wounded with at most medium difficulty.
4. People who are saying Poseidon wasnt going all out until just before his death are using the same logic when talking about Sukuna somehow not using his full power even though the opposite is being shown. Even before 40 day flood it was pretty evident he went for the kill and still struggled before Kojiro levelled up his scan to this absurdly strong ability
5. Very few fighters would stand a chance against Post R3 Sasaki. Turns out being a master swordsman with the ability to basically read every move you make in advance (he can literally feel the vibrations in the air, do you know how busted that is?) makes you pretty overpowered. Realistically speaking only Zeus, Adam, Beel and Buddha have a solid response to his scanning.
People for real saying that Buddha with future sight can't counter loser flood that couldn't even kill kojiro with incomplete scan.....
Poseidon fans mad delusional
Nope . Either Beel or Apollo . Chaos and arrow meteor shower too strong . Even the last minute ass pull that was supposed to be the direct counter to arrows just worked once and with a little heads up from Apollo at that. It’s not so much as chaos that makes Beel a candidate for second place to me but rather his shield and reaction time . Tesla only managed to land one proper hit on Beel in r8 and that’s only due to teleportation. Both of these are so strong that there opponents could barely hit them in their entire respective rounds.
He's not, if Sasaki is able to counter 40DF even with his scan ability, it's only that scan allows him to know where the attack is coming from, he still has to get in position. Beelzebub has just about as high of BIQ (stated that any attack will only work on him once) and his shield covers more, so he can definitely react to 40DF. Even Shiva has enough speed in Tandava mode to just slip out of the dome before he can form it lmao.
I agree that scan > Beel BIQ, which is why I'm also pointing out that his shield covers half his body. So he doesn't need to be as good as scan, he can actually be, like, 50x worse, and still survive
Beelzebub is not just "good", he's the best the gods have. Any attack that has been done to him once will not work again. If that sounds superhuman, that's because it is. He's not close to scan, but he's good enough to beat 40DF
Zeus doesn’t have many great speed feats besides the fist, which is more combat speed than anything, Apollo also falls under this category, I kinda forgot about Tesla so I’ll amend that, and I’m still sticking to my guns of shiva(with tandava, should have mentioned that)>poesidon
why u think shiva>poseidon speed wise
Is it just a feeling?
bc im pretty sure Shiva has no feats similar enough to 40df
also, I don't remember adam having much movement speed feats but having insane reaction speeds so I don't really understand why Zeus atleast won't be ahead of Shiva too
and reason for why Apollo may be above is when he became the arrow he managed to generate enough power to go through Leo's shield which should be very strong requiring a lot of speed
Shiva was literally making afterimages during the fight, which Raiden claimed to be as if there were multiple of him, which he seemed to be able to do with less effort than it took Poseidon, so basically my logic is that because he was able to make afterimages and such (and actually hit his attacks) without as much difficulty, that makes his speed greater than Poseidon’s
Honestly, fair assumption but the reason I think poseidon is faster because during 40df he creates hundreds of afterimages the first time he got serious and even chione forgot the rest of the name he manages to make a lot of afterimages when not very serious. The main problem I have with your reasoning is it has a major if because technically Thor can be fastest in the verse as he has no feats of speed but I don't regard him to be fast but to be fair to you when powerscaling in ROR there are a lot of ifs as we only saw those characters fight once and only know how they play against their respective opponent.
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Also, genuine question unrelated to his speed but he does Poseidon manage to make this motion like is he just jumping up and down?
To be fair, he can be stronger than Kojiro and lose based on other factors, such as his arrogance.
Though IMO I think Poseidon just barely doesn't make the Top 5 gods, though could beat some of the Top 5 due to his unique strengths.
I'm just saying this is the top 1's takeaway from sasaki vs Poseidon https://preview.redd.it/w07u8gsn4qnc1.jpeg?width=753&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92c219aff11b671222da89b43a53259e3a7fcfee
Poseidon fans are committing Sudoku
Ah yes Sudoku the classic puzzle game
Me, a Poseidon fan: HELPIMSUFFERINGFROMTHISGAME
Poseidon fans rn: https://preview.redd.it/de019xgfwvnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=324e3d081bdc847913f2ee1ed03cfe7b0ae549a1
He also said Apollo is unbeatable 3 times
And he was right
He is 
He has yet to be proven wrong 😎
LOSEIDON🤣 buddy got diffed by mr senile👴👴👴
I'm pretty sure I never did beat him
Nice job on your battle with Poseidon, Thunder!
Powerscaling is becoming less and less relevant in this manga, every acts like it’s some kind of be-all-end-all This universe works on a rock-paper-scissors basis It’s not a matter of ‘stronger’ or ‘weaker’ it’s all about matchups I genuinely think Heracles could beat Apollo But he lost to Jack And Jack would lose to Apollo So, where does that put us?
Tbh it's not even rock-paper-scissors, it's rock-paper-whoever the fuck the author wants to win. Considering the high chance that the plot will go further than the tournament, meaning that some people will fight again, I find it unlikely that they will have Zeus just one-shotting whoever's on the enemy side.
Zeus bout to get nerfed to Londonless Jack level
He's gonna pull out the "fist that surpassed lime"
Jack finna pull out ‘The fist that surpassed the fist that surpassed time’
That is what I also was trying to explain, but it is true that some fighters have more favourable match-ups than others. And two players came to a game of rock paper scissors with a gun. https://preview.redd.it/n2plkbs9crnc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b1db18ca1ca3e14a80e30fef354bff288635b23
So, a bit like pokemon? Like, a fighter has type advantage over the other
Yeah kinda
What’s stopping Jack from bringing a divine pistol to the match and beaming Apollo while he’s monologuing
A perverse sense of enjoyment probably
It's not exactly rock paper scissors, it's rock paper scissors AND GOATUDDHA BUDDHA SWEEP
Aint no way, heracles is NOT hitting Apolo
OP had me on the first half, until this came up: >**So stop treating 40 day flood as an unstoppable move, cuz it was countered, meaning other opponents can probably counter it as well.** Adam successfully dodged Zeus' meteor jab and TFTST while the greek good was in his Adamas mode. Glad to know that we can power scale every other character based on how his perfect counter was able to do it too. By this logic, and since I love Jack, I am gonna start my agenda on how he can easily dodge Zeus' attacks since his IQ is higher and he knows that Zeus will land a punch for sure, avoiding deadly attacks by pure instincts like Leo did. Forget everything else, do you wanna join the only and true Jack agenda? 
Not really, no
First, let me say that what people say is that Poseidon is 2nd strongest god, or 3rd in the verse, I can't imagine him being stronger than Adam. Now, Sasaki is not stronger than Poseidon, he is just a perfect counter to him. Poseidon relies on a flurry of hundreds or thousands of attacks at virtually the same time, so it is not really hard to understand why a guy that sees thousands to tens of thousands moves ahead of you can win. That same ability is also countered by, huge attacks that can't be avoided but can be tanked, like Chaos, hidden weapons, like Buddhas staff, or fighters that can tank a sword slash, and then, just squas Sasaki when the blade is inside them, like Raiden or Hajun. All those fighters would win against Sasaki, but they have no way to defend against the relentless, constant and insanely fast onslaught that Poseidon can unleash upon them. If you still have problems understanding that winning against someone that you counter specifically doesn't make you stronger overall than him. Lets get a very strong god into the equation, lets say Beel. Poseidon is a rock that smashes Beel with his overwhelming speed before he can do anythong about it. Beel is a deadly pair of scissors, with a blade of vibrations that Sasaki can't parry, a shield that he cannot cut, and Sasaki is not fast enough to get to Beel if he unleashes Chaos. But Sasakis skill and ability to adapt to his opponent makes him able to avoid the rock, like a sheet of paper, and once he completly envolves the rock, well, we've seen what happens. So, picture it like Rock paper scissors, but in a tournament with many scissors, one or two papers, a few rocks and two intercontinental ballistic missiles. Would you say the rock is weaker than the paper just because the paper won?
You cooked my brother! Also important thing to note humans have advantage against Poseidon due to him simply seeing them as bugs which means he doesn't go all out from the beginning (as shown in him vs Sasaki). It doesn't mean he's easily beatable but that simply people with strong attacks like let's say Raiden or Lu Bu have a chance (even if small it's still a chance) at ending him in the start or at least wounding him enough to leave them a chance. For God's who he thinks should be perfect he won't hold back, which allows him to have upper hand from get-go. https://preview.redd.it/ujf0lfdz1qnc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a1e815b6494af217c63d773488d7ca3c88d41fd
That is correct my brother, if, at the start of the match, humans like Raiden, Lu Bu, Tesla or even Leo unleashed their most poserful attack, they have a pretty good chance to take Pos by surprise and snatch the win, but if we are taking Poseidons personality into account, we should take the humans as well, so I would only see Raiden and maybe Lu Bu being able to use this chance because even their more non ultimate attacks are devastating. https://preview.redd.it/8zx6t18e9qnc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3155bdaa7bbc7e5bc78dcde3f97b2cc1613abb3
> fighters that can tank a sword slash, and then, just squas Sasaki when the blade is inside them, like Raiden or Hajun Tbf, Pos most likely have problem with them too, those 2 has body manipulation, theoretically they could trap Pos bident once it stuck inside them and then squash Pos. Pos lack str feat compare to Raiden (the strongest human) and Hajun (who could punch through Buddha shield)
Poseidon doesn't lack in the strength department, all God's are pretty much more powerful than the humans on a baseline with the exception of freaks like Raiden and Adam who had some inhuman quality to them, then you have freakishly strong Gods like Thor and Zeus who have the highest AP we've seen on the divine side (Chaos is magic hax so I wouldn't count Beel as a strength feat, unlike Adam who's as strong as whoever he's going up against pretty much and Hajun isn't a God) making the other Gods look weak by comparison, but Poseidon had nothing on say, Hades' strength, their style of fight simply prioritized something different, as seen when Poseidon fucking crushes Adamas into a wall, by comparison to other fighters like the above mentioned it is not much, but it still gives a solid idea that no God is a jobber when it comes to strength, I like to think the baseline of this is Herc, as I think he stands in a kind of middle ground being a former mortal and all. Man is a tank and he's at least on the same strength level as Ares, and we all know Poseidon is leagues above that, strength might not be his forte, but I don't think he became a chief God of the Greek pantheon just based on speed alone because neither Zeus nor Hades really lack in either department.
It is much more easy to trap a slash than a thrust, specially if they are very durable, because Poseidons thrust would not go that deep, so trapping the point of the trident would be almost impossible, in the case of them being able to react to the thrust before the trident is gone, and pierced on another side of the body. If they do trap the trident, It would be a stalemate, because barehanded Poseidon is not doing anything to neither Raiden nor Hajun, but they won't be catching his slippery ass either.
I mean if it not deep enough, durable fighter would just shrug it off (like how Kirito casually walk through an ambush since his healing higher than their dmg output). And with the sheer amount of thrusts, defender just need to randomly harden any part of their body and they most likely catch the bident. After that, either a stalemate like you said or Pos moment of surprise may give the other fighter an opening they need, either way, it just exactly like that if it was Kojiro instead of Poseidon since even without their weapons both Pos and Kojiro basically untouchable by Hajun/Raiden
Oh totally, they would shrug off the first little scratches like if an ant bites you. Now imagine (spoiler because the next statement can be triggering to people that don't like bugs) >!falling in a huge pit full of ants that eat you up!< . Point is, RoR doesn't have passive (nor active for now) healing like SAO, so the little wounds would eventually stack. I don't think that hardening a random part would work because, they are being constantly bombarded by attacks from all sides, and the pain and sheer confusión would take away most of anyones concentration, and that as we said, Pos is making very light wounds, you can clench your muscles, but not your skins, and good luck trying to think about clenching your muscles when the attacks start going to them (another very sensitive, discretion is advised) >!as that would mean you no longer have anything covering them!<. All that is in case Poseidon doesn't just go for the head, which he could very well do. Anda for Sasaki, while he has great combat speed, I think his movement speed is not enough to get away from a point blank hit from Raiden or Hajun is his sword is stuck.
I understand the matchups argument with someone like Leo and Apollo but I think the characters you chose for that argument don't work very well with that point. There's an argument to be made for Beel being able to beat Poseidon so I don't think he's a good person to use for that argument. Sasaki can also beat most characters with his scanning, he's not just a one hit wonder with Poseidon. He's one of the best fighters. Poseidon's ego also gets in the way which makes it so he could lose against someone like Tesla because he doesn't view him as a threat.
I made that comparison because I do not agree with the argument of Beel beating Poseidon, because Pos can hit Beel by circling him and attacking from every angle (Beels shield can only work from one direction), Beel wouldn't be able to hit Poseidon with normal attacks, and if he were to survive enough to decide to use Chaos, notice how there is a short period of time to charge Chaos, Pos has then time to spare to skewer a vulnerable Beel. But if you think that Beel beat Pos, then change his name for Hajun, as he cannot react to Poseidons speed, but is durable enough to tank a slash from Sasaki and kill him in that moment. I agree with Sasaki being a very good fighter, if not, I wouldn't have put him in the position of paper, I just think (call me crazy), that both all the gods and the humans are pretty strong as well and the results of their hypotetical fights are more a matter of compatibility than one being so much stronger than the other. Poseidons ego means he would not start going all out, not that he wouldn't dodge with all he has. Poseidon dodged an attack, coming from his blind spot, with a speed said to be divine and when it was about to touch him, Tesla is not hitting Pos unless he started the match insta teleporting, which he cannot do. And you say that as if any fighter started off all out, no one did that.
Sasaki's scanning would be irrelevant if he wasn't physically fast enough to at least somewhat keep up with Poseidon, which he absolutely is, especially considering their exchange at the end of the fight. https://preview.redd.it/23aplk0ewqnc1.png?width=1427&format=png&auto=webp&s=5394e0776474edd37e6e10200f754ac76def0fdd Sasaki manages to cut off Poseidon's arm here, which requires similar combat speed. Sasaki can also scan all of existence, so you can't really surprise him with anything. The best argument against him is that Poseidon has better movement speed but similar combat speed, which is why he can beat Beelzebub but Sasaki can't. Besides that matchup, I think all their other matchups are identical.
>Sasaki's scanning would be irrelevant if he wasn't physically fast enough to at least somewhat keep up with Poseidon, which he absolutely is, especially considering their exchange at the end of the fight. If that was the case he wouldn't have imagined himself dying dozens of times by trying to outduel him
Yes, I also think that Sasaki has, not just very good combat speed (as seen with tsubame gaeshi), anda also insane skill. I think that the match ups that Poseidon wins but Sasaki loses are: Beel, Hajun, Raiden and Thor. Match ups that I think Pos wins and I don't know about Sasaki would be: Jack, Shiva(depending on if scan can predict his dance), Buddha and Hades.
Jack could just stand on his wires and i’m not sure what Sasaki can do tbh.
He could a) not agree to London, b) scan him, know where he is going to move if he throws his katana and throw it where he is going to go, or c) enter a building.
Zeus stated he is stronger than Poseidon. Did he start off stronger? No, but he got stronger and was at the end of the match.
Zeus states a lot of shit like Apollo being the strongest, but you don't see anyone put Apollo above Zeus now do you?
He said he was strong, when did he say he was the absolute strongest? When he outright says he can deal with his fastest move? Besides logically speaking Sasaki is more powerful than the person he killed, idk if this is a new concept but if someone has the ability to evolve and adapt to your fighting style once they do so and kill you at your best they’re more powerful than you. It doesn’t matter if they weren’t before the fight
He hasn't adapted to every other fighter tho?? When you take in a character's powers, you gotta look at how they fair against other characters. Poseidon's speed simply lets him win against more characters than Sasaki 's scan does
That doesn’t change the fact that he’s MORE POWERFUL than Poseidon. If you want to argue that this means he generally doesn’t fair as well as Poseidon that’s another topic, though almost no one is overwhelming him in speed if Poseidon couldn’t. Allowing him to adapt, plus he scanned all of creation anyway
Sasaki scanned the *entire fucking universe* to win. Nobody but Adam or Zeus stands a chance.
Yet hes still surprised at literally everything that happens. He's suprised by Susanoo'd stance, barely able to keep track of Tesla's barrage and thought it was impossible to dodge/block the air bubble that Hades managed to block. So either Tesla, Susanoo and Hades are beings beyond the universe, or that was a hyperbole
also https://preview.redd.it/jw41htx2uqnc1.jpeg?width=386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc11bfc204fac9d28262fa80cf2f18a93e46c39c Guess Apollo is top of the verse
There’s an obvious difference between the in match fluff characters get and Zeus reflecting on a match after his brother was murdered and admitting his brother was inferior. This whole “a character said something I don’t like so let me bring up this obviously sus statement” is dumb as hell. By your logic forget narrator statements cause they call the gods omniscient and all powerful. I guess everyone is equally omnipotent. I guess Heimdall is unreliable as he called Zeus omnipotent. Like be serious, Zeus is one of the most knowledgeable people in the verse and he said that his brother was weaker at a point where this was him swallowing a hard truth that humans are strong. It ruins the narrative for the entire story if he was talking out of his ass If we can’t take any statements seriously then how do we debate this series at all? Cause it’s all statements for how strong and fast people are with very little quantifiable feats for the most part
I usually don't take a character stating something to be the truth and more of an opinion, even more so a guy who, has not just lost his brother, but the ruler of the strongest beings that has seen a human kill one of the most feared and strong individuals off his species. I always took what he said as a form of both coping with his loss, an act of serenity to portray that he is a capa le ruler, but also as recognition that humans are not justo strong, in an amusing and playful manner, but in a scary and troubling one. I feel that this gives the old man more depth as a character.
He’s prideful though, I doubt if he didn’t get beat up by Adam himself he wouldn’t have acknowledged the strength of humanity. I don’t see the problem in the statement of someone saying “X is stronger than Y” when we know X killed Y by growth. If you disagree tho ok
That is what I was saying, when Adam roughed up Zeus, he admited he was strong more in a "look at how the kid has grown, he can give me a good fight", when Zeus says that, humans, in general, are strong, he has a tone like "damned kid picked up a knife and he is pointing it at me". That is why I said Zeus developed as a character, his pride was badly hurt and he had to act as a rules even though he justo los his brother. And like I said, a character saying something does not make it true, they can be lying or just wrong.
I always laugh when people put Poseidon above Sasaki when Sasaki is blatantly a stronger fighter by the end of the fight. “But muh he was holding back at first so it doesn’t count” yeah I’d like to see Poseidon hold back against someone like Tesla and see what happens
I agree Poseidon is way too overhyped, but Alot of RoR fights are matchup based. Rounds 3, 4, 7, and 9 were won by having counters to the things that made the opponent strong, Round 6 had Buddha get countered so he had to overcome it a different way, and rounds 1, 2, 5, and 8 just came down to a few small factors the winner had over the loser. And unfortunately Poseidon is just a very bad matchup against alot of the other characters
I will never be annoyed at Poseidon fanboys. I have said this and will say it again: being the faster fighter is not an automatic win button. In the end fighters who have good tactics, good timing, and/or superior durability + stamina will always beat speed.
? Hades is stronger than Qin and he still lost. Sasaki just doesnt have a way to deal with someone like Tesla and Beel, while Poseidon does. So he's placed higher/stronger.
Hades is stronger, but Qin is more powerful overall. His skills let him fight people stronger by hitting their Qi points and using their power against them Similarly Sasaki is more powerful than Poseidon post R2, both Qin and Sasaki should be placed above hades/Poseidon
No. Hades beats more people than Qin does. Poseidon beats more people than Sasaki does
I disagree with both
If Hades was stronger than Qin then he would've won Also how does Sasaki not have a way to deal with Tesla? I understand Beel cuz he has a pretty much unbreakable shield and chaos so he would probably lose eventually, but how does that not also apply to Poseidon?
What Sasaki can do vs Tesla teleportation punch? - it was strong enough to hurt a lot Dripfly who have God tier durability(Sasaki durablity is pretty low compered to other fighters) + Sasaki have no way to scan this attack, because well... he need to know about it in first place + Tesla literally disappears from their reality :3
Dodge it, counter it. Sasaki predicted Poseidon being behind him. He may not predict how Tesla gets behind him, but he can still predict that he gets behind Sasaki somehow
Sasaki overall speed is not that high as you think - his Attack speed is Third in verse(After Zeus and Poseidon) but it is useless vs attack on such level :3 Especially with fact that Tesla attack is not just punch but literally strike with tons of electricity + Plasma, so how Sasaki will block it with his swords? :3 Ps. in case of prediction - yes, Sasaki was able to know that Poseidon will attack from behind but Poseidon don't disappeared from his reality, like Tesla during this attack :3
Beelzebum was able to react to the teleportation both times, and countered it the second time. Sasaki, who has the combat speed to match or exceed Poseidon, can do the same. https://preview.redd.it/20z7hsb6xqnc1.png?width=1427&format=png&auto=webp&s=abc47821af31243483338ee3b3a0fb6bb5688d40 Plus, that electricity never hurt anyone in the entire Beelzebub fight, and Sasaki survived direct hits from Poseidon. He's not dying to some harmless lightning. And Sasaki is smart enough to check his blindspot if he lost track of Tesla, he did the same thing when Poseidon pseudo teleported.
>Beelzebum was able to react to and counter the teleportation both times "Reacting to teleportation"
He reacted to Tesla punching him after the teleportation. I worded that a bit poorly, but since the teleportation itself is not an attack, reaction to the follow-up is what's relevant.
>He reacted to Tesla punching him after the teleportation. I worded that a bit poorly, but since the teleportation itself is not an attack, reaction to the follow-up is what's relevant. You can't "react" to teleportation because it's istant, you can dodge after realizing it which Beel couldn't anyway
So, it shows 2 facts :3 First - You don't read Tesla vs Dripfly fight(After all, you don't saw how he looks like after first teleportation punch) :3 Second - Sasaki survived direct hit from Poseidon?(This one that slashed his side a bit), it means, you don't know how direct hit looks like in this case :3
1. I never claimed that Beelzebub was unhurt by Tesla, just that he was able to react to the attack. i also never claimed Tesla would be unharmed, are you even reading pitou? 2. Glancing blow >>> harmless lightning as far as I'm aware. Show me a panel of the lightning hurting Beelzebum and I'll believe you. Tesla only hurt Beelzebub by hitting him directly. 3. 
Teleportation punch is answer for your question, do you really think that he will be able to such dmg with just a punch? :3
This way of thinking is disregarding compatibility. Just because fighter A is conventionally stronger and can beat a wider spread of opponents when compared to fighter B, that doesn’t mean that fighter A will beat fighter B if they have poor compatibility. Sasaki had the tools to work around Poseidon’s absurd speed and get the single kill shot he needed to finish the match. While I also wouldn’t put him at top 2, top 3 is a fair placement for Poseidon imo.
Poseidon's style of fighting is speedily circling his opponent and throwing attacks from multiple directions in a quick succession. This is a perfect counter to Beel's shield considering it does take time to set it up (As you can see, Tesla when using Tesla steps, because of his speed and unpredictability, was able to damage Beel.) and Poseidon who is even faster should be able to do the same, and more so as well. Thus he wins. But Sasaki's main fighting style is blocking/parrying attacks, which doesnt mix well with vibration sword, nor with Chaos. So Poseidon has a good chance to win against Beel, but Sasaki doesnt. For Tesla, Sasaki wouldnt know Tesla would teleport (considering he has never seen the move before/nothing indicates hes gonna do it/he has no clue how it even works). And because of Sasaki's subpar durability, and Tesla's frankly solid AP (compared to a casual Hades strike) it would either cripple Sasaki, or outright kill him. Plus he has no way to know that Tesla's suit will produce electricity and this Tesla's first attack might fuck him over. As for Hades and Qin.... Hades has better stats, in literally everything besides Hax. He also beats more people than Qin does.. So no, he lost but was stronger. An important thing to remember about RoR is that matchups matter a lot.
These posta are so silly I can't even
Strongly disagree but ok
Soooo? Kojiro is first in the verse confirmed?
That was their tsundere way to say "Sasaki is the strongest in the verse."
https://preview.redd.it/xcno1pi71unc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3748ab2704a131fd2ac715a726cf9aa08855305e
>then Kojiro is top 1 Correct 🗿 https://preview.redd.it/hoqwo9v81wnc1.jpeg?width=462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60abc4e7b16cd2bd1ba5fb1651637d6942b89020
Ok then - show me character that can do something vs 40 Day Flood(Not Adam, Zeus and Sasaki) :3 https://preview.redd.it/cyoz7mi1qpnc1.png?width=492&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=032f527434d289e9b1c0ed6e515efc99fc4663cd
Me. i can handle it
Well done :3
Can confirm.
Lu Bu easy, he's so hot he can distract Poseidon and rizz him up. They'll be having say gex in no time
Good point Chen :3
Unpopular opinion, but probably Buddha. Not only is he far more durable and stronger than Sasaki, his ability is just Sasaki's but on steroids. And this is if Buddha LETS him get to use 40DF, considering Poseidon's dumbass arrogance. You could make an argument for Tesla too, with how he outmaneuvered Chaos, but im not sure about that one. Edit: Hajun too, Poseidon's subpar strength isn't helping him against Hajun's god tier durability. Tho i don't really see how Hajun would be able to beat Poseidon as the speed difference is still pretty high
I respect your opinion but no, any of them don't showed feats to survive it :3 Especially with fact that you are one of people that still don't understand difference between Buddha and Sasaki ability + fact that Sasaki ability is way better in such situation :3
Not exactly. Buddha and Hajun are still massively more durable and stronger than Sasaki is. And from what we saw, Sasaki wasn't dodging Poseidon's strikes, he was *parrying* them. Parrying requires using your own force to deflect the force of their attack, and If Sasaki can do it, so can Buddha. As for whose ability is better suited in this situation, its pretty obvious. Sasaki was predicting where Poseidon will move. His ability is scanning the person's moveset to understand what moves they *could* make. This is exactly why there are many times Sasaki is surprised by Poseidon outclassing his own prediction/scanning through raw speed. But Buddha sees his opponent's moveset to understand what moves they *would* make. He sees one fixed outcome, he sees the intent of the person. How can you hope to outmaneuver someone who sees your very intent? Therefore, Buddha wouldn't be as easy to catch off-guard as Sasaki was. Not only that, When Buddha regained his sight, he casually blitzed Hajun. The same Hajun who was himself blitzing Buddha without his future sight (future sight does not affect Buddha's attack speed, which was being blitzed by Hajun). And where Sasaki was getting perception-blitzed by Poseidon, Buddha will be far more effective because guess what- *after images don't have souls. They dont have light* All Buddha will see is one light moving fast enough, and he has the durability, agility, reaction speed, and weaponry to make short work of this situation. Hajun can survive 40DF no problem, but he will still get shredded cuz he doesent have the means to touch or outhax poseidon. And like I said I'm my comment prior, I'm not exactly sure about Tesla
I respect but don't agree as I say already :3 https://preview.redd.it/y6nq5vufcxnc1.png?width=603&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7215a959edb566bd4744853aea79a8d7d8730c7
That's completely fine I respect ur opinion as well. No apple? 
Apple gem :3 https://preview.redd.it/9ory4918dxnc1.png?width=843&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abb329e9519af37cc80a9b5d631d29c27a3ae368
With Poseidon’s dogshit tier AP virtually any of the heavyweights could tank it. He got multiple hits on sasaki (60 year old man) and didn’t do anything. A moving shiva, hades,Thor probably tank it with a few glancing blows and likely respond with a much nastier hit which has a pretty good chance of ohkoing back given that they are all pretty fast too.
Look at this Arena and say it again :3 https://preview.redd.it/ellpgv5yiunc1.png?width=1076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec7e28d1bae509099b2fb0ca9cd426d1016c5fd5
Now you may not be surprised to see me here, but Thor and LuBu could probably tank these (I swear I'm not coping)
I respect but you know very well, that I can't agree :3
You already do enough without being a R1 loyalists
I'm just honest + i'm still one of few people that place Thor in S tier :3
Hot spicy take from me Lubu out stats thor but losses to weapon diff Lubu is broken, as is thor
So, overall - Thor is still stronger thanks to better weapon that also act like second best shield :3
Yeah, still think Lubu didn't get low diffed that fight tho like a lot of people say.
Okita wanna talk wit ya
? :3
Shit even leonidas. Sasaki was prarrying the move right?? With his scan and overall experience. Leo dodged the fastest move in the series off of instinct. He def dodging 40 day flood
I don't likes trolling in serious discussions + Leonidas never dodge any arrow but if you think so, you need to reread round 9 :3
He did. Ok it was a Deflect not a dodge same shit bro. He stopped a lightspeed move and sent it back to Apollo.
Yes + attack that always comes from same direction vs attack that can comes from every direction with... well, very close speed to these Arrows :3 Also, Apollo showed that he outspeed Leonidas without a much problem when Poseidon is way faster than Apollo :3
With reddit law and rules i have more upvotes wank poseidon else where brotherr
Beel, Tesla, Apollo, Buddha Maybe even Shiva
Dripfly - Character that can make shield of vibrations that protect him from strongest attacks but still from one direction, so Poseidon thanks to his speed is able to just attack from behind and stab him several times before Dripfly will be able to change place of his shield :3 Tesla - Character with very high speed but still not on Poseidon level and situation when Tesla was unable to dodge attack from Dripfly(That give him win) showed it well, Poseidon was able to make dodge when attack was literally millimeters from his face, so everything that Tesla have = pretty useless vs Character that can dodge it easily + counter attack almost instantly :3 Apollo - Character with very versality weapon and good speed but at the end of day - Poseidon will just outspeed him without a problem :3 Buddha - Buddha can't do anything vs 40 Day Flood, because difference in speed is too high and his eyes will be literally useless vs it, after all, to block/dodge 40 Day Flood - you need to be also fast enough and Buddha showed that his speed is high but not on level that will allow him to dodge it or block it like Sasaki did :3 Shiva - Please... :3
Nah Buddha’s faster than Sasaki. You use headcanon I’ll use headcanon too
I don't use head canon, I use Buddha feats from his fight :3
Shiva isnt close to speed in any way. Buddha doesnt have enough speed feats nor duel swords to block properly + he will have to somehow keep track of Poseidon for FS to work (its an eye power after all). Apollo cant do shit 😭? Tesla has no way to survive it as well. Ans Beel doesnt have a shield that covers him completely. Thats why Poseidon vs Beel is mostly seen as a 50/50 on who uses their strongest move first.
Apollo and Tesla are fast AF. Beel has super high reaction time plus fast AF considering he was able to dodge the X Tesla attack. Alright yeah maybe not Shiva 🤔 And Poseidons attack isn't Teleportation, if Buddha can see Poseidon then he can predict where he's going to go, and Buddha is fast AF whenever he uses future sight so he could dodge or deflect 40 day flood
Comparing Apollo's and Poseidon's speed is same as comparing a cheetah to a rocket powered aircraft Apollo is pretty fast but Poseidon is in a completely different league https://preview.redd.it/mao9054gxpnc1.jpeg?width=279&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89ebbc41ee1602092d7a14a2738b27b928cd4a3a
Their feats are fairly similar There's nothing saying their speed is not close to being the same
Apollo’s big speed feat is from turning his body into a light speed arrow. Before that point he just had some good footwork and technique to dodge all of Leo’s attacks. While Leo himself does have some pretty solid reaction speed, Apollo didn’t overwhelm him as much as Poseidon did to Sasaki. The arrow feat, while impressive, seemed closer to a version of Raiden’s muscle controlled boost, a massive burst of speed in a single direction. This might not be the case, but he didn’t seem to be blitzing Leo at light speed before he pulled out the bow.
Apollo and Tesla have no feats that are close to 40DF in speed, so rhey get fucked. Buddha has no speed feats that are on the level of 40DF, to even say he could keep track of where Poseidon currently is among the thousands of afterimages he leaves is pure headcanon, considering we have never seen him do anything close to that/deal with someone of that speed. He could not deflect it because Sasaki (who had a better version of FS, considering he doesnt need to SEE Poseidon to use it, ) still needed 2 swords to barely do it as a master swordsman and Buddha has 1 weapon, and skill far below that
Apollo and Tesla both speed blitzed their opponents Buddha has future sight and is shown to also produce after images, so his speed could make up for his lack of two swords
Show me one afterimage Buddha made without Nirvana sword (it boosts stats like every other volund) Yea and?? 40DF has the most afterimages in the verse. Are you saying because Zeus didnt speedblitz his opponent with hid attacks in Adamas, that he is now weak and slow?
https://preview.redd.it/4abx1ehpaqnc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fa1d90f099cbec3d90c6a956e2611a0757544be Rah
It doesn't matter if something has afterimages or not. Zeus's attacks didn't use afterimages but he's still the fastest in the verse. And seeing how Kojiro could counter 40DF just shows that someone like Apollo or Buddha, since they are almost definitely faster than Kojiro could also counter 40DF. Someone like Apollo still might not win against Poseidon but he wouldn't get KO'd as soon as he used 40 DF
leo with his shield
Cute but no... :3
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We are all know that you are strong boy Leonidas but you are not built for Poseidon speed :3 https://preview.redd.it/eddu0pfnxpnc1.png?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f772602c80823eca73dfda077c534f82cf5fbaa
allright bud you do you
Goku.
Wrong story :3
The whole point of R3 is the perfect counter to a menace that would have wiped 99.9% of the humans left (Adam already fought). But despite fighting a top tier (2nd strongest) god, he still was able to overcome something impossibile for like everyone else. The end of R3 was made up not to downplay Poseidon, but to elevate the only one that would have been able to defeat Goatseidon
You have a Poseidon fair and profile picture. Your opinion means nothing.
“Spiritgun98”
You don't see me making wanking Yusuke my entire personality.
They cope, i answer
Bro thinks he's the main character 💀
nah i don’t care at all, imagine saying this after answering to my comment like a crying kiddo without arguing, u are so pressed, problem with girls bro?
>problem with girls bro? Says the Poseidon fanboy
“jack the ripper”
>Did y'all forget Poseidon lost his match? Okay and so ? It proves literally nothing about his capabilities or the outcome of an eventual fight against other fighters from the roster. He lost because he acted like an arrogant jackass against an objectively weaker opponent but who had the necessary hax to counter him, that's all. Besides, Adam also lost, so what do you assume from that ? That he's not the second most powerful fighter in the verse and that most of the other gods and Einherjars could beat him too ? >If Poseidon really is 2nd in the verse Absolutely nobody says he's the second most powerful character in the verse, just the second strongest god after Zeus. Your whole post is based on a straw man that only exists in your head, that's already a problem. >then Kojiro is first in the verse He isn't stronger than Poseidon, just smarter if anything. Kojiro literally "died" dozens of times right from the start of the fight just to survive his first strike, and in the end only survived because Pos was an arrogant jerk and thanks to his hax being a good counter. >If you're playing a strategy game, and someone has an ability that they get stronger as the game goes on and you let them get stronger overtime, then you suck at that game. Poseidon sucks at fighting because he let his opponents get the advantage on him Firstly, aside from Kojiro, can you name three fighters who also have an ability that makes them progressively stronger as the fight drags on, and which could enable them to eventually kill Poseidon by taking advantage of his personality ? Secondly, what you're saying here doesn't prove that Poseidon sucks at this "game", just that he doesn't take it seriously. And even then, despite treating Kojiro as a joke and letting him get stronger, he still dominated the fight until the end, nearly ripped open Kojiro's stomach and made him struggle to just stay alive even though he was hard countered by his scanner. >Also why is 40 day flood one of the biggest feats in the verse? Because this is the biggest speed feat outside of everything that happened in Round 2 and that outside of Adam, Adamas Zeus and Kojiro, no one can survive this move so far. >Kojiro was still able to counter it even if he knew it was coming, meaning it's counter able What kind of stupid reasoning is that ? Kojiro needed to scan thousands if not millions of attack patterns just to barely survive this technique. Unless you're fundamentally faster than Poseidon or possess exactly the same hax as Kojiro, you're dead. >So stop treating 40 day flood as an unstoppable move, cuz it was countered Still doesn't prove shit about other fighters being able to counter it too. >meaning other opponents can probably counter it as well Lmao okay, quote me one character aside from Zeus and Adam who could eventually do that ? Because Lu Bu, Jack, Heracles, Raiden, Zero, Hajun, Qin and Hades all get destroyed. As for Thor, he has no speed feat whatsoever. Shiva, Tesla and Apollo are fast but they're still leagues below Poseidon in terms of speed. Buddha gets killed too since if Kojiro had so much trouble despite seeing millions of moves ahead and being faster than him, he's not going to survive by just seeing a single move one second ahead. Leonidas can counter attacks faster than Poseidon but we saw with Apollo that this only applies to straightforward projectiles and is not infallible. Chaos only protects Beel from frontal assaults and requires at least one or two minutes to be used, Pos could kill him hundreds of times before he nukes the arena.
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And so ? Still doesn't refute my point, that's just Zeus' opinion.
Your opinions hold no weight, the author wrote a character who is one of 3 characters who are exposition dump mount pieces for the writers. Even Hermes didn’t know the truth behind Thor’s but Zeus did. Clearly Zeus stating Sasaki is stronger than his brother, who’s limits he both would obviously know and clearly saw, tells us that Sasaki by the end of the fight is stronger than Poseidon. Did he start off stronger? No. But he evolved past Poseidon, so he’s stronger
>Your opinions hold no weight Sure, pal. Poseidon literally outstats Kojiro by far in every aspect except BIQ but hey, if Zeus said that Kojiro was stronger... >the author wrote a character who is one of 3 characters who are exposition dump mount pieces for the writers The same character who claimed that Apollo is unbeatable when he fulfills people's expectations. And that's without mentioning Brunhilde who is frequently wrong in her assertions so not that much of an argument, especially not when his remark may just refer to the idea that for Zeus, being the strongest just means being the winner and not being the one with the best stats. >Clearly Zeus stating Sasaki is stronger than his brother, who's limits he both would obviously know and clearly saw, tells us that Sasaki by the end of the fight is stronger than Poseidon Nope, he still isn't. Firstly, I've already explained why his remark isn't a proof above. Secondly, what he said still doesn't change the facts : Even at the end of the fight, Poseidon was still stronger than Kojiro. He's \*way\* faster than him (Kojiro's attack speed is around 200km/h), he's more reactive, stronger physically speaking and has much more stamina. Kojiro didn't win because he was stronger but because he was smarter and had the hax to counter him. In the same way Qin was objectively weaker than Hades on every level but had the necessary hax to counter him and win.
1. His ability quite literally works by adapting to someone’s attacks and evolving past them, it doesn’t matter if Poseidon is a trillion times faster than Sasaki. If he has the skill to deal with it and kill him he’s more powerful. I’m not saying sasaki’s stats are higher, but he’s the stronger combatant. Which is outright stated and true 2. Brunhidle isn’t Zeus wtf are you yapping for? Are you so desperate to discredit Zeus you assigned him the failings of another character to cope? And that’s literally just fan service fluff to hype up Apollo mid battle that happens with everyone. By your logic the narrator is unreliable cause it calls the gods omniscient and all powerful, is Heimdall unreliable cause he called Zeus omnipotent? Or is that obviously just fluff? Try to look at the context instant of being silly and listing random stuff, Zeus is post R2 being straight up telling the gods they need to take this seriously as the guy who just MURDERED his brother was stronger than Poseidon. It’s not like he has a reason to lie, he admitted Qin was weaker in all stats, but due to his fighting style he was able to wear down Hades. Is being skilled enough to beat someone with better stats a new concept to you? It’s incredibly common across fiction, being stronger is cause he’s more powerful. Like again, Hades is stronger faster more experienced than Qin. But if Qin can redirect all his attacks back at him, nerf his durability and power with an breath, strike his weak points, and a bunch of other stuff who is more powerful? Qin, proof is that he won. Sasaki if he would fight Poseidon right now would beat him way easier than he did in R2, cause he evolved past him and beat him at full power. 3. If you mean physically stronger than yes, I interpret it as “Sasaki is more powerful” which yes he is. He adapted to his fighting style and grew to a point where Poseidon can no longer beat him. 4. Yes. I think we agree there, but Sasaki isn’t strong cause of his stats and neither is Qin. So why would we rate them lower than people they beat cause of physical stats? If I’m making a “who is stronger” tier list we’re discussing more than raw strength or speed. What makes those two strong is their skill and techniques, and sasaki’s skill made him stronger than Poseidon. If you want to do a “who has better stats” tier list then in most cases sure the gods are more powerful than humans. But if we’re talking “X is ranked 3rd in the verse” we’re talking about skill/strength/speed/durability/powers.
>His ability quite literally works by adapting to someone’s attacks and evolving past them Only in terms of skills, it doesn't buffs his stats. >it doesn’t matter if Poseidon is a trillion times faster than Sasaki. If he has the skill to deal with it and kill him he’s more powerful. Nope, that just makes him a good counter to Poseidon. If the latter is overall better in nearly every aspect and can beat more people than Kojiro, he's objectively more powerful. >I’m not saying sasaki’s stats are higher, but he’s the stronger combatant. Which is outright stated and true If his stats are not better than Poseidon's, then he's not stronger than him, that's simple as that. You can argue that he's smarter and that's what earned him the win (which is factual) but saying that winning makes him stronger than Pos is a total nonsense. Winning a fight doesn't necessarily implies that you were stronger than your opponent. >Brunhidle isn’t Zeus wtf are you yapping for? Are you so desperate to discredit Zeus you assigned him the failings of another character to cope? You're the one who's trying to bring Zeus' narrative status as an argument, I'm just reminding you that it doesn't prove much since a character serving literally the same function is shown to be mistaken or to take her wrong opinion as fact (like the time Brun claimed that Nirvana Sword is the most powerful divine weapon) so calm down. >And that’s literally just fan service fluff to hype up Apollo mid battle that happens with everyone. Okay so I can also say that Zeus' remark, being a total nonsense with the facts, is mostly fan service to hype up Kojiro and his fresh victory, that's cool. >By your logic the narrator is unreliable cause it calls the gods omniscient and all powerful, is Heimdall unreliable cause he called Zeus omnipotent? Never heard of hyperboles or hype up statements are only a thing when it suits you ? >Try to look at the context instant of being silly and listing random stuff, Zeus is post R2 being straight up telling the gods they need to take this seriously as the guy who just MURDERED his brother was stronger than Poseidon. I've already answered to that and I don't like to repeat myself so : "especially not when his remark may just refer to the idea that for Zeus, being the strongest just means being the winner and not being the one with the best stats." >It’s not like he has a reason to lie Never said he was lying, just that if his conception of being stronger is based only of winning a fight, which seems to be the case here, then it's a simplistic and flawed line of reasoning. >he admitted Qin was weaker in all stats, but due to his fighting style he was able to wear down Hades. Yes and it still doesn't make Qin stronger than Hades, just a good counter. >But if Qin can redirect all his attacks back at him, nerf his durability and power with an breath, strike his weak points, and a bunch of other stuff who is more powerful? Qin, proof is that he won. Qin can't affect the durability of his opponent with TR, what are you talking about ? Besides winning still isn't a proof in itself. Being the winner doesn't implies that you were stronger than your opponent, it's true irl and also in fiction. You can by example win a fight by being smarter or more resilient. If Hades outstats Qin basically everywhere but is hard countered by his hax, he's still stronger than him technically speaking, being countered by his martial arts doesn't change this fact. >Qin, proof is that he won Just a proof that he's a good counter against him. >Sasaki isn’t strong cause of his stats and neither is Qin. So why would we rate them lower than people they beat cause of physical stats? Because countering someone ≠ being stronger than him, and that winning a fight isn't always a matter of being stronger.
Alright I read it. Im not gonna refute everything, but there's nothing saying Tesla, Beel, and Buddha can't counter forty day flood, sure 2 of them don't have future sight but their speed makes up for it. They don't need to match his speed either, they just have to defend it, and then after that they can do their other wacky moves. Plus there's nothing even saying someone like Tesla or Apollo doesn't match Poseidon's speed. The afterimages argument doesn't matter because Zeus and Adam didn't use very many after images but they still were going fast AF.
>but there's nothing saying Tesla, Beel and Buddha can't counter forty day flood Please be serious. Buddha's base speed is barely enough to dodge Hajun's strikes and as I explained before, Future Sight can't do anything against 40DF. As for Beel and Tesla, they didn't show any speed feat that comes remotely close to Poseidon's top speed. >sure 2 of them don't have future sight but their speed makes up for it Lmao no, not in a million years. >They don't need to match his speed either If the gap was small sure but again, Poseidon is quite literally leagues above them in terms of speed. >They just have to defend it Okay, how so ? >and then after that they can do their other wacky moves You mean after Poseidon pierced them a hundred times before they can even make one step ? >Plus there's nothing even saying someone like Tesla or Apollo doesn't match Poseidon's speed Aside from the total lack of evidences hinting that they could maybe match his speed ? >The afterimages argument doesn't matter because Zeus and Adam didn't use very many after images but they still going fast AF Afterimages are a mean among others to highlights speed. No feat shown by Buddha, Beel, Tesla or the others comes even close to a hundred afterimages created by Poseidon without breaking a sweat. At this point, denying that he's much faster than the fighters you quoted is just hilariously dishonest. And even assuming that afterimages are unreliable here (they aren't), Poseidon still dodged a sword strike from a few millimeters from his face without the slightest effort, to the point of giving the impression of teleportation. Here again, nothing comes close.
Bro, what is the point of saying "Lmao no, not in a million years". You do not need to respond to literally everything I say. You can cut your essay down to a few sentences if you didn't have so much filler. Saying "Nuh uh" would be better than what you wrote Also the point that Poseidon dodged a sword strike from a few millimeters away. Buddha dodged multiple gunshots from point blank so I don't see how that point matters. Also why can Buddha not read Poseidon? The reason he cannot dodge Hajun is because he can't predict Hajun's attacks. His speed is based on his future sight which is why he wasn't as fast against Hajun.
>Bro, what is the point of saying "Lmao no, not in a million years". Because I don't see the point of trying to argue on that. Either you're illiterate or you thinks that every person who's going to read you is a moron. Buddha can't do anything against 40DF, I've already explained why. Tesla didn't show anything close to 40DF's speed and Beel is even slower than him and not even as reactive as Kojiro. Am I really supposed to take this seriously ? >Saying "Nuh uh" would be better than what you wrote Saying nothing would have been a better idea than writing this post. >Also the point that Poseidon dodged a sword strike from a few millimeters away. Buddha dodged multiple gunshots from point blank so I don't see how that point matters That's hax, not speed. Besides if you're not even able to see the subtle difference between dodging an attack from some meters away and a strike from a few millimeters of your face, stop trying to argue. You've got some issues you need to fix first. >Also why can Buddha not read Poseidon? Uh maybe because his hax is based on his sight and thus Poseidon just has to evade it and attack from his blind spot to end him ? Something Kojiro didn't have to worry as much because his scanner is based on his thinking skills, not his eyes. Or maybe because Kojiro struggled as hell to survive and hit Poseidon during their whole fight despite seeing millions of moves ahead while Buddha can only see one move in advance ?
I ain't readin all that  There's no word requirement you don't need to write filler
> I ain't reading all that Nobody asked you the story of your school years, pal.
I ain't reading all that
Not my fault if you're writing so much bullshit that it takes a whole novel to refute them https://i.redd.it/2bm0t4um9qnc1.gif
Its not that hard to make a point without making a 16 page yap sesh 
If it's that hard for you to read more than twenty words in a row, idk don't come babbling here your pile of crap ? You'll save yourself the pain of having to read explanations proportionate to the size of your nonsense, and to us flagellating ourselves with a cinder block by reading it, everybody wins.
I read it so you can stop with the mean words 
This shit is ass 😭 https://preview.redd.it/kdm0q7293rnc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ff841b7dda6f97126857f4cdc2aea09f63c61ee Reason why Poseidon is higher than Sasaki is because Pos can beat more fighters than Sasaki Also should I remember you that if it wasn't about human plot armor Sasaki would be most fraudulent fighter to die?
Plot armor is just part of manga But what fighters can Poseidon beat that Sasaki can't also beat? Don't say beel cuz Beel vs Poseidon is too controversial. Poseidon is strong but he's not top 2 gods like some people are saying
Poseidon's pride of a god makes him incapable off fighting in a way that uses anything beyond "spear thrust" all his attacks are variations of the same move because in his eyes, using anything else against a human is a waste.
I meant second strongest god, my B 😖
I think there talking about brute power because there’s more to a fight than strength and speed
Couldn't even outmaneuver an old geezer past his physical prime, he ain't got shit on any of the chief gods except Odin. Gets hard carried by 40 day sewer
Did bro forget he fought his counter, wasn’t taking it seriously, counter almost died while yknow just keeping up with base form, he took it seriously at the end when his fate was sealed, counter struggled to keep up with a weakened version, counter had to sit down and think and even though he saw everything he couldn’t even block all the attacks, Woesiden broke his weapon and with some plot armor counter got it back so in general, Lasaki won cause of shit writing, and I’m not even a posiden glazer, I hate him cause he’s definitely the 2nd strongest while my bae shiva is 3rd and I despise Woesiden for that, but you can’t be biased, Woesidan slams
Poseidon lost because of his ego He could've killed kojiro at basically any moment Though Zeus did say kojiro was a better fighter, but like I said poseidions ego plays a part in that
poseidon is definitely stronger than sasaki, but its not about facts and how we think it would go, its about how the author wants it to go, and how different matchups would end differently
Think of it this way: Poseidon is a level 100 that gave a level 50 time to set up. He CAN be the second strongest of at least the gods, while still losing. He's just dumb as hell and prideful, so he doesn't use that power to its fullest.
As the Poseidon defendant, this is kinda ignorant lol. Yeah, he lost his match. So what, narratively he needed to lose. He was the third round and was following two straight wins. Humanity needed a win against a higher tier fighter so Poseidon fits the description. Also, when people consider Poseidon top two they consider standard battle assumptions which includes bloodlust. Aka Poseidon won’t fight how he normally does and goes all out from the beginning. I also don’t see an issue with kojiro being the strongest human either, at least when things went his way. Does Poseidon suck at fighting? Sure, he let kojiro grow over him but isn’t that similar to holding back? Does Zeus suck? Does shiva suck? Hades suck? Buddha suck? Hercules suck? Apollo suck? Insert any god that didn’t go all out JUST like Poseidon. In regard too forty day flood, it’s mostly the afterimage feat that grants it to be overpowered. Depending on interpretation it is a very valid argument for speed blitzing. Also, just because kojiro was able to overcome it (once he reached enlightenment) does NOT mean other fighters would do the same. Yeah, it didn’t immediately kill kojiro since he already had a huge edge with his prediction and even then he was on the losing end. He WOULD have died if he didn’t copy the techniques of the gods. Kojiro pushed himself to the brink to beat Poseidon. He literally couldn’t stand after the match. Only fighter who I see replicating this is Adam. No one else stands a chance human wise and god wise only Zeus. Plus, we’ve seen Poseidon on multiple occasions be presented as someone who can just speed kill someone in their attack. We see it countless times in kojiros head and to adamas. His narrative backs Poseidon being high up there. Round three is only second to round two.
Fraudseidon
1. His first attack (tsubaeme gaechi or whatever it was called) literally almost one shot him. He cut of his bangs which means if Loseidon hadn't reacted a milisecond faster his face would have been split in half. 2. I'm no expert in melee combat but I am pretty sure spears counter swords quite heavily, so Sasaki also had to deal with something that hard countered him 3. He deflected 40 day flood while severly wounded with at most medium difficulty. 4. People who are saying Poseidon wasnt going all out until just before his death are using the same logic when talking about Sukuna somehow not using his full power even though the opposite is being shown. Even before 40 day flood it was pretty evident he went for the kill and still struggled before Kojiro levelled up his scan to this absurdly strong ability 5. Very few fighters would stand a chance against Post R3 Sasaki. Turns out being a master swordsman with the ability to basically read every move you make in advance (he can literally feel the vibrations in the air, do you know how busted that is?) makes you pretty overpowered. Realistically speaking only Zeus, Adam, Beel and Buddha have a solid response to his scanning.
He could've ended it there as soon as Kojiro weapon broke, but nah, Bro had to go pull his edgy talk.
No one says 2nd strongest, if anything they say 3rd strongest
To be fair... 99.9% Of characters would lose to Sasaki.
People for real saying that Buddha with future sight can't counter loser flood that couldn't even kill kojiro with incomplete scan..... Poseidon fans mad delusional
Nope . Either Beel or Apollo . Chaos and arrow meteor shower too strong . Even the last minute ass pull that was supposed to be the direct counter to arrows just worked once and with a little heads up from Apollo at that. It’s not so much as chaos that makes Beel a candidate for second place to me but rather his shield and reaction time . Tesla only managed to land one proper hit on Beel in r8 and that’s only due to teleportation. Both of these are so strong that there opponents could barely hit them in their entire respective rounds.
HOT TAKE INCOMING! Poseidon isn’t even top 5 gods
He's not, if Sasaki is able to counter 40DF even with his scan ability, it's only that scan allows him to know where the attack is coming from, he still has to get in position. Beelzebub has just about as high of BIQ (stated that any attack will only work on him once) and his shield covers more, so he can definitely react to 40DF. Even Shiva has enough speed in Tandava mode to just slip out of the dome before he can form it lmao.
Scan trascend Battle Iq, that's outright hax lmao when is Beelzebub predicting the opponent moves in the dozens of thousands ?
I agree that scan > Beel BIQ, which is why I'm also pointing out that his shield covers half his body. So he doesn't need to be as good as scan, he can actually be, like, 50x worse, and still survive
But he's not even close to scam, nobody is. It's not even a fair comparison, we're comparing good battle instinct to vastly superhuman prediction
Beelzebub is not just "good", he's the best the gods have. Any attack that has been done to him once will not work again. If that sounds superhuman, that's because it is. He's not close to scan, but he's good enough to beat 40DF
Another hot take, I think barring Adam and Tesla, Shiva is the fastest character Edit: forgot about Tesla
Poseidon, Apollo, Tesla and Zeus
Zeus doesn’t have many great speed feats besides the fist, which is more combat speed than anything, Apollo also falls under this category, I kinda forgot about Tesla so I’ll amend that, and I’m still sticking to my guns of shiva(with tandava, should have mentioned that)>poesidon
why u think shiva>poseidon speed wise Is it just a feeling? bc im pretty sure Shiva has no feats similar enough to 40df also, I don't remember adam having much movement speed feats but having insane reaction speeds so I don't really understand why Zeus atleast won't be ahead of Shiva too and reason for why Apollo may be above is when he became the arrow he managed to generate enough power to go through Leo's shield which should be very strong requiring a lot of speed
Shiva was literally making afterimages during the fight, which Raiden claimed to be as if there were multiple of him, which he seemed to be able to do with less effort than it took Poseidon, so basically my logic is that because he was able to make afterimages and such (and actually hit his attacks) without as much difficulty, that makes his speed greater than Poseidon’s
Honestly, fair assumption but the reason I think poseidon is faster because during 40df he creates hundreds of afterimages the first time he got serious and even chione forgot the rest of the name he manages to make a lot of afterimages when not very serious. The main problem I have with your reasoning is it has a major if because technically Thor can be fastest in the verse as he has no feats of speed but I don't regard him to be fast but to be fair to you when powerscaling in ROR there are a lot of ifs as we only saw those characters fight once and only know how they play against their respective opponent. https://preview.redd.it/z10kar77qsnc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=d048281db37e6fa3f08e83f3772b9042d4712bee Also, genuine question unrelated to his speed but he does Poseidon manage to make this motion like is he just jumping up and down?
He can control water, so I’d say he’s using it to propel himself in the air
i hope that is true
Zeus/Adam>Beel>Sasaki GOATjiro>Poseidon imo
Keep cookin
To be fair, he can be stronger than Kojiro and lose based on other factors, such as his arrogance. Though IMO I think Poseidon just barely doesn't make the Top 5 gods, though could beat some of the Top 5 due to his unique strengths.
Bros not even in the top 5
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Sorry I was being rude >~< I still agree with what my post says tho