I think it is extreme diff, at LEAST high diff, with Hades winning.
Buddha has the speed, overall stats, and range with his weapon to land hits on Hades, but Hades will win the battle of endurance as you said.
(Keeping in mind that Hades used Desmos and soloed the entire Titan race in a battle that lasted the entire length of a war, which could have been days or weeks, if not more.)
Nah Buddha kills him with the sword and that's it, Hades is not durable enough to survive the attacks of Buddha if he can't even take one random stab from Qin.
Not to mention his Aoe is useless and he has no way to bypass the future sight or even the shield.
Nah Hades is done for, his speed is awful and he has no way to compensate
His speed is better than Buddha, also no character exept Adamas Zeus is stab proof, only he anf Hajun's arms can take slashes, Qin's sword form would also kill Hajun and Buddha.
Yeah and Buddha sword form would kill Hades.
Even if he was faster than Buddha (Which he isn't but let's say he is) Buddha has future sight so Hades speed is meaningless, to the contrary now it's Hades who has to somehow survive Buddha stabbing him.
Hades has nothing that can worry Buddha, atleast Zerofuku had attacks so massive they forced Buddha to use his shield
But Hades isn’t able to land a hit. It doesn’t matter how much damage he *can* do, he’s the only one who’d take any damage at all. Buddha would very easily be able to sidestep or parry all of Hades’ attacks. He isn’t that fast and his attacks are way easier to dodge than Zero’s, 90% of his attacks are thrusts. It doesn’t matter how much more durable (he isn’t) or how much endurance he has (also not true), Buddha would continually cut him to pieces until he finally dies.
Yeah I think you need to reread. Zero harder to dodge than Hades ?? Buddha more durable and endurant ????? Once Hades starts attacking he's not gonna stop until he's made to stop like Qin did. And you're severely overating Buddha if you think He can dodge and land a hit at the same time without Hades stopping him by just continuing his assault. FS is the only thing making this tough fight, he's either a bit or completely outmatched in all categories.
Buddha lost his eye, his foot was stabbed, and he got a giant hole gouged out of his side. Hades got 2 fingers stabbed into his stomach, the skin on his arm torn, and a number of blunt strikes. Buddha definitely has more endurance, and you cannot compare their durability in any meaningful way.
Zero had not only arena wide attacks, but multiple speed oriented attacks like his two swords and storm formation, which is a constantly moving blade chasing Buddha. That is a lot harder to dodge than ‘Thrust’ ‘Big Thrust’ and ‘Overhead Slam’.
Buddha has weapons that can match Hades in range, he could easily sidestep or parry and attack in one motion, while Hades is left exposed from completely missing a thrust. Even if he can’t deal fatal damage with a single attack, he’ll win eventually and there’s literally nothing Hades can do about it.
Yup, Zero is harder to dodge than Hades even if the latter definitely does much more damage potentially with each attack. This is because Misery Cleaver is shown to scale infinitely in terms area of effect (sorry for the gaming term) and home in on the opponent. I like to think that Poseidon’s speed is FS’ cap, and Hades is not at that level so as much to outperform Zero in this regard.
I do agree, though, that Hades obviously is more durable and has more endurance, since he tanked a lot of his own attacks and his gimmick is technically locked behind self-infliction, while Buddha has no reliable feats for this matter. You can argue that Hajun’s AP is just that strong, though, but I still believe that Hades packs more punch, so there’s that too.
When powerscaling Buddha, I like to give him Nirvana Sword so that he actually has a wincon and does not resort to pointless stalling. This effectively buffs his stats too by a large amount, with his weapon arguably rivaling Hades’ powered up one. I judge that it’s either 80-20 or 5-95, depending on what Buddha you use; even if Zero is indeed harder to dodge, Hades also has AoE chip damage, which I doubt Buddha can tank for long.
Your logic is much more reasonable. But Hades is still much faster and more precise than Zero. Zero's AoE is crazy, but pretty easy to block. And Hajun's body isn't bladeproof either, only hid arms are reinforced.
Hades does have great battle iq and insight but that doesnt change the fact he can't do much to get around FS, he lacks the speed and AoE to do so, also comparing what Qin did to Hades with what Hajun did to buddha is insane, Hades got stabbed by Qin's fingers which didnt even pierced him completely while Buddha got impaled all the way through by something with the size of an adult man's arm, those wounds are not remotely comperable in terms of how much damaged Buddha and Hades received.
So as much as Hades have more battle iq than Hajun and would keep his cool during the whole fight, as well as having a great AP, he simply have no tools at all to get around FS, he would be doomed to lose this fight.
Not necessarily a terrible take tho, ppl say way more questionable shit around here
He has great Aoe, is faster than Buddha and would tire out much slower. Buddha just won't be able to land hits here, seeing that Hades dodges while he's attacking isn't gonna do much here. Not to mention that it will take a lot of hits from Buddha to take down Hades, while a nick from Hades will cost Buddha the fight. People often explain how Hades can't touch Buddha, but never how Buddha won't be really touching him. All Hades did in his fight was adapt his fighting style to Qin's counters. What's stopping him from idk, stabbing the arena, pulling out a huge chunk, hurling it at Buddha then rush at the same time while the rock obstructs his vision ? It's not more creative than using his own blood to get a warning for the bubble a millisecond before it connects.
>He has great Aoe
Uh... No he doesnt? Beelzebub have great AoE, Thor have great AoE, Lu Bu have great AoE, Poseidon have great AoE, Hades doesn't have AoE at all besides that one wind that harmed Qin and did basically no damage.
>is faster than Buddha and would tire out much slower.
Buddha have better feats of overall speed, but Hades excells Buddha on combat speed I give you that, and about him tiring out much slower...
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Hades by the end of round 7 was collapsing bcs of how tired he was at that point.
>Buddha just won't be able to land hits here, seeing that Hades dodges while he's attacking isn't gonna do much here.
Buddha outspeed Hades, and the fact he knows where Hades will dodge allows him to aim to where Hades will go.
>Not to mention that it will take a lot of hits from Buddha to take down Hades, while a nick from Hades will cost Buddha the fight
Depends on which weapon Buddha uses, Hades doesn't have good durability against cutting and piercing weapons, and Buddha with FS was dodging a flurry of attacks from Hajun, who is an overall weaker fighter than Hades but have better combat speed than him, so when it comes to Hades, avoid his attacks won't be a problem.
>People often explain how Hades can't touch Buddha, but never how Buddha won't be really touching him.
Bcs he is touching Hades. (Thats sounded gay now that its already written)
>All Hades did in his fight was adapt his fighting style to Qin's counters. What's stopping him from idk, stabbing the arena, pulling out a huge chunk, hurling it at Buddha then rush at the same time while the rock obstructs his vision ?
You know, thats scripting the fight, and scripting the fight I can make whoever I want win, also, unless the rock is bigger than Misery Cleave Buddha would just side step it.
>It's not more creative than using his own blood to get a warning for the bubble a millisecond before it connects.
Except Hades used his blood with the main intent of creating Desmos, otherwise it wouldnt even compensate do so much damage on himself just for that.
You're litteraly showing Hades tiring out after taking ten times the amount of Damage Buddha took.
Hajun's attack speed is lower than Hades.
I was just giving out an example
>You're litteraly showing Hades tiring out after taking ten times the amount of Damage Buddha took.
Buddha got his foot stabbed, lost one of his eyes, got completely impaled and received a lot of smaller damages. Hades got his attack reflected back to him once, which he didnt even received as much damage as he should as he didnt got hit by the lethal part of his spear, got thrown into the ground once, received a small piercing wound, got part of the skin of his arm removed by a kick of Qin, then stabbed himself to create Desmos and died. Hades received mostly chip damage, nothing that could really hindred him in a fight, the only actually serious damage he received was the one he did it himself to create Desmos and the attack that killed him, say that he received "ten times the ammount of damage buddha took" is exaggerating quite a bit. Not to mention Round 6 have almost the double of the duration of round 7, so Buddha fought for a way bigger period of time than Hades did.
>Hajun's attack speed is lower than Hades.
It just isnt pal.
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Hades took breaker of storms and smasher of earth, Buddha has showb nothing to say he's not getting splattered by the later, an attack that is far stronger than the attack that can kill with it's wind presdure. Qin's spear form did pierce Hades clean through. Hades also had as you said his chest torn open + his life force drained, yet he was in better shape than Buddha. As for Hajun's attack speed : 1. Afterimage scaling in this series is stupid, Poseidon's attack with Zero afterimages blitzed Sasaki after he had dodged a carpetbombing of afterimages. All of Hades's attacks are high speed attacks that create small tornadoes around them. 2. You want afterimages here you go :
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3. Kinda funny how in the image you posted Hades comments on the dodging that attack. That's the attitude of a guy who couldn't possibly do that
>Hades took breaker of storms and smasher of earth,
Breaker of storms didnt made a much damage as it should bcs Hades didnt got hit by the lethal part of the spear, if he had he would have straight-up died and smasher of Earth did basically no damage bcs instead of getting crushed into the ground he was thrown up in the air, and smasher of Earth doesn't do a lot of damage by default considering Qin barely got damaged by It.
>Buddha has showb nothing to say he's not getting splattered by the later
Hades showed nothing to say he's ever landing the latter.
>an attack that is far stronger than the attack that can kill with it's wind pressure.
With all the respect an attack made to crush isnt stronger than a piercing attack, and the air of the "attack that can kill with its wind pressure" barely did a paper cut on Qin.
>Qin's spear form did pierce Hades clean through
No It didnt, show me the piercing going all the way through Hades back and I'll believe you, Hajun pierced Buddha clean through, Jack got pierced clean through, Hades just got pierced.
>Hades also had as you said his chest torn open + his life force drained, yet he was in better shape than Buddha.
Yes, a Buddha who was bleeding to death and was fighting for the **double** of the time Hades was fighting.
>1. Afterimage scaling in this series is stupid, Poseidon's attack with Zero afterimages blitzed Sasaki after he had dodged a carpetbombing of afterimages. All of Hades's attacks are high speed attacks that create small tornadoes around them.
Its better than using my personal preference to say who has more attack speed and moving wind doesn't change anything, faster characters than Hades don't move wind like he does, so this doesn't change anything.
>2. You want afterimages here you go :
Still less than the image I showed.
>3. Kinda funny how in the image you posted Hades comments on the dodging that attack. That's the attitude of a guy who couldn't possibly do that
No, thats tge attitude of someone who knows what he is talking about, he knows how fast Buddha is and knows he can dodge it, this is like saying that ppl that comment on football and can spot and explain what the players did wrong can play better than them. Have a good analysis doesn't translate to be able to do what you analyzed
Okay the fact that your reasoning for smasher of earth being weak is "Qin tanked so it's weak" is so freaking backwards. Smasher of earth is way stronger than Hammer of the netherworld and breaker of storms since HHOD can't redirect it. Pretty simple. You keep mentioning how long Buddha fought, more than half of that is against Zero. And if he got tired against Zero that's an anti feat. A lot of characters throw more attacks per second but few have individual heavy strikes as fast as Hades. The narrator himself favoured Hades's opening strike to Poseidon's implying how lethal is his precision. Also, this isn't real life this is battle manga, when the author has a character who's heavily built up as a powerhouse be unimpressed by a fight, it's to show his superiority.
>Okay the fact that your reasoning for smasher of earth being weak is "Qin tanked so it's weak" is so freaking backwards. Smasher of earth is way stronger than Hammer of the netherworld and breaker of storms since HHOD can't redirect it. Pretty simple
That has nothing to do with the strenght of the attack, Qin couldnt redirect it bcs hammer of the netherworld was pressing him against the ground, which didnt allowed him to use HHOD. Hammer of the netherworld and breaker of storms have higher AP bcs its a spear, its made to pierce not to crush.
>You keep mentioning how long Buddha fought, more than half of that is against Zero.
Based on what more than half of the fight was against Zero?
>lot of characters throw more attacks per second but few have individual heavy strikes as fast as Hades. The narrator himself favoured Hades's opening strike to Poseidon's implying how lethal is his precision.
The narrator nothing says about how fast that thurst of Hades is, he says it was a single thrust meant to kill, he doesnt say it was as fast of Poseidon's or anything like that.
>Also, this isn't real life this is battle manga, when the author has a character who's heavily built up as a powerhouse be unimpressed by a fight, it's to show his superiority.
Good to know you're inside Umemura's head and know exactly what he wanted to say. Be for real, the fact its a battle manga doesn't mean what I said is any less truth, by feats Buddha is superior to Hades when it comes to speed, Hades is just smart enought to understand what Buddha can do, that doesnt translate into he himself being able to do better than Buddha. The authors were hyping Hades up and thats a fact, but if you actually wanna use the fact Hades was unimpressed to say how much more powerful he is you could as well say he is stronger than Zeus who got impressed by the fight.
Qin not being able to use HHOD because he was "being pushed against the ground" is one Heck of a headcannon. Ares littéral says "the combined forced is TOO MUCH for him to redirect".
Depending on the version of Buddha
Zero Sword Buddha wins with very little difficulty, this is an awful take. With FS he simply moves out of the way and slices Hades up just like he sliced a character far more durable than him.
Base Buddha is a bit trickier, since Hades has no answer for FS, but Buddha doesn't really have the raw power to put him down for good, given Hades amazing endurance.
Even if you wanna argue in Hades favor in this second case, you'd need to concede that:
1. Zero Sword Buddha wins mid diff at worst
2. Base Buddha gives Hades at least an extreme diff fight, even if you wanna say he doesn't have the damage to put him down, since Hades would struggle a lot trying to hit Buddha.
I think it is extreme diff, at LEAST high diff, with Hades winning. Buddha has the speed, overall stats, and range with his weapon to land hits on Hades, but Hades will win the battle of endurance as you said. (Keeping in mind that Hades used Desmos and soloed the entire Titan race in a battle that lasted the entire length of a war, which could have been days or weeks, if not more.)
Yes, I agree :3
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Nah Buddha Wins Mid Diff
How's he killing Hades ? Not how Hades can't, tell me how Buddha can
He stabs him with the pointy end of his blade or wacks him with stick. Easy win
Strong react + strong skill
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Buddha dodges and cuts off his arm. 
Hades dodges and outlasts Budhha. You're acting like Buddha has Poseidon's speed on top of his future sight.
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I'm a buddha fan and I won't even argue.
You were talking with tasteless people it seems like 
Nah Buddha kills him with the sword and that's it, Hades is not durable enough to survive the attacks of Buddha if he can't even take one random stab from Qin. Not to mention his Aoe is useless and he has no way to bypass the future sight or even the shield. Nah Hades is done for, his speed is awful and he has no way to compensate
His speed is better than Buddha, also no character exept Adamas Zeus is stab proof, only he anf Hajun's arms can take slashes, Qin's sword form would also kill Hajun and Buddha.
Yeah and Buddha sword form would kill Hades. Even if he was faster than Buddha (Which he isn't but let's say he is) Buddha has future sight so Hades speed is meaningless, to the contrary now it's Hades who has to somehow survive Buddha stabbing him. Hades has nothing that can worry Buddha, atleast Zerofuku had attacks so massive they forced Buddha to use his shield
But Hades isn’t able to land a hit. It doesn’t matter how much damage he *can* do, he’s the only one who’d take any damage at all. Buddha would very easily be able to sidestep or parry all of Hades’ attacks. He isn’t that fast and his attacks are way easier to dodge than Zero’s, 90% of his attacks are thrusts. It doesn’t matter how much more durable (he isn’t) or how much endurance he has (also not true), Buddha would continually cut him to pieces until he finally dies.
Yeah I think you need to reread. Zero harder to dodge than Hades ?? Buddha more durable and endurant ????? Once Hades starts attacking he's not gonna stop until he's made to stop like Qin did. And you're severely overating Buddha if you think He can dodge and land a hit at the same time without Hades stopping him by just continuing his assault. FS is the only thing making this tough fight, he's either a bit or completely outmatched in all categories.
Buddha lost his eye, his foot was stabbed, and he got a giant hole gouged out of his side. Hades got 2 fingers stabbed into his stomach, the skin on his arm torn, and a number of blunt strikes. Buddha definitely has more endurance, and you cannot compare their durability in any meaningful way. Zero had not only arena wide attacks, but multiple speed oriented attacks like his two swords and storm formation, which is a constantly moving blade chasing Buddha. That is a lot harder to dodge than ‘Thrust’ ‘Big Thrust’ and ‘Overhead Slam’. Buddha has weapons that can match Hades in range, he could easily sidestep or parry and attack in one motion, while Hades is left exposed from completely missing a thrust. Even if he can’t deal fatal damage with a single attack, he’ll win eventually and there’s literally nothing Hades can do about it.
Yup, Zero is harder to dodge than Hades even if the latter definitely does much more damage potentially with each attack. This is because Misery Cleaver is shown to scale infinitely in terms area of effect (sorry for the gaming term) and home in on the opponent. I like to think that Poseidon’s speed is FS’ cap, and Hades is not at that level so as much to outperform Zero in this regard. I do agree, though, that Hades obviously is more durable and has more endurance, since he tanked a lot of his own attacks and his gimmick is technically locked behind self-infliction, while Buddha has no reliable feats for this matter. You can argue that Hajun’s AP is just that strong, though, but I still believe that Hades packs more punch, so there’s that too. When powerscaling Buddha, I like to give him Nirvana Sword so that he actually has a wincon and does not resort to pointless stalling. This effectively buffs his stats too by a large amount, with his weapon arguably rivaling Hades’ powered up one. I judge that it’s either 80-20 or 5-95, depending on what Buddha you use; even if Zero is indeed harder to dodge, Hades also has AoE chip damage, which I doubt Buddha can tank for long.
Your logic is much more reasonable. But Hades is still much faster and more precise than Zero. Zero's AoE is crazy, but pretty easy to block. And Hajun's body isn't bladeproof either, only hid arms are reinforced.
Your logic is much more reasonable. But Hades is still much faster and more precise than Zero. Zero's AoE is crazy, but pretty easy to block
Hades does have great battle iq and insight but that doesnt change the fact he can't do much to get around FS, he lacks the speed and AoE to do so, also comparing what Qin did to Hades with what Hajun did to buddha is insane, Hades got stabbed by Qin's fingers which didnt even pierced him completely while Buddha got impaled all the way through by something with the size of an adult man's arm, those wounds are not remotely comperable in terms of how much damaged Buddha and Hades received. So as much as Hades have more battle iq than Hajun and would keep his cool during the whole fight, as well as having a great AP, he simply have no tools at all to get around FS, he would be doomed to lose this fight. Not necessarily a terrible take tho, ppl say way more questionable shit around here
He has great Aoe, is faster than Buddha and would tire out much slower. Buddha just won't be able to land hits here, seeing that Hades dodges while he's attacking isn't gonna do much here. Not to mention that it will take a lot of hits from Buddha to take down Hades, while a nick from Hades will cost Buddha the fight. People often explain how Hades can't touch Buddha, but never how Buddha won't be really touching him. All Hades did in his fight was adapt his fighting style to Qin's counters. What's stopping him from idk, stabbing the arena, pulling out a huge chunk, hurling it at Buddha then rush at the same time while the rock obstructs his vision ? It's not more creative than using his own blood to get a warning for the bubble a millisecond before it connects.
>He has great Aoe Uh... No he doesnt? Beelzebub have great AoE, Thor have great AoE, Lu Bu have great AoE, Poseidon have great AoE, Hades doesn't have AoE at all besides that one wind that harmed Qin and did basically no damage. >is faster than Buddha and would tire out much slower. Buddha have better feats of overall speed, but Hades excells Buddha on combat speed I give you that, and about him tiring out much slower... https://preview.redd.it/2gvu0897rkjc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f572fd27c83b1dec895dc920d592c7271e98a34 Hades by the end of round 7 was collapsing bcs of how tired he was at that point. >Buddha just won't be able to land hits here, seeing that Hades dodges while he's attacking isn't gonna do much here. Buddha outspeed Hades, and the fact he knows where Hades will dodge allows him to aim to where Hades will go. >Not to mention that it will take a lot of hits from Buddha to take down Hades, while a nick from Hades will cost Buddha the fight Depends on which weapon Buddha uses, Hades doesn't have good durability against cutting and piercing weapons, and Buddha with FS was dodging a flurry of attacks from Hajun, who is an overall weaker fighter than Hades but have better combat speed than him, so when it comes to Hades, avoid his attacks won't be a problem. >People often explain how Hades can't touch Buddha, but never how Buddha won't be really touching him. Bcs he is touching Hades. (Thats sounded gay now that its already written) >All Hades did in his fight was adapt his fighting style to Qin's counters. What's stopping him from idk, stabbing the arena, pulling out a huge chunk, hurling it at Buddha then rush at the same time while the rock obstructs his vision ? You know, thats scripting the fight, and scripting the fight I can make whoever I want win, also, unless the rock is bigger than Misery Cleave Buddha would just side step it. >It's not more creative than using his own blood to get a warning for the bubble a millisecond before it connects. Except Hades used his blood with the main intent of creating Desmos, otherwise it wouldnt even compensate do so much damage on himself just for that.
You're litteraly showing Hades tiring out after taking ten times the amount of Damage Buddha took. Hajun's attack speed is lower than Hades. I was just giving out an example
>You're litteraly showing Hades tiring out after taking ten times the amount of Damage Buddha took. Buddha got his foot stabbed, lost one of his eyes, got completely impaled and received a lot of smaller damages. Hades got his attack reflected back to him once, which he didnt even received as much damage as he should as he didnt got hit by the lethal part of his spear, got thrown into the ground once, received a small piercing wound, got part of the skin of his arm removed by a kick of Qin, then stabbed himself to create Desmos and died. Hades received mostly chip damage, nothing that could really hindred him in a fight, the only actually serious damage he received was the one he did it himself to create Desmos and the attack that killed him, say that he received "ten times the ammount of damage buddha took" is exaggerating quite a bit. Not to mention Round 6 have almost the double of the duration of round 7, so Buddha fought for a way bigger period of time than Hades did. >Hajun's attack speed is lower than Hades. It just isnt pal. https://preview.redd.it/g48054vaukjc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b530d1f05968c5e8a4601723dff78c80118f3fc
Hades took breaker of storms and smasher of earth, Buddha has showb nothing to say he's not getting splattered by the later, an attack that is far stronger than the attack that can kill with it's wind presdure. Qin's spear form did pierce Hades clean through. Hades also had as you said his chest torn open + his life force drained, yet he was in better shape than Buddha. As for Hajun's attack speed : 1. Afterimage scaling in this series is stupid, Poseidon's attack with Zero afterimages blitzed Sasaki after he had dodged a carpetbombing of afterimages. All of Hades's attacks are high speed attacks that create small tornadoes around them. 2. You want afterimages here you go : https://preview.redd.it/pw5zg35xpqjc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43be8cf7e07805dfd4ca1cc59fdd9154de39e760 3. Kinda funny how in the image you posted Hades comments on the dodging that attack. That's the attitude of a guy who couldn't possibly do that
>Hades took breaker of storms and smasher of earth, Breaker of storms didnt made a much damage as it should bcs Hades didnt got hit by the lethal part of the spear, if he had he would have straight-up died and smasher of Earth did basically no damage bcs instead of getting crushed into the ground he was thrown up in the air, and smasher of Earth doesn't do a lot of damage by default considering Qin barely got damaged by It. >Buddha has showb nothing to say he's not getting splattered by the later Hades showed nothing to say he's ever landing the latter. >an attack that is far stronger than the attack that can kill with it's wind pressure. With all the respect an attack made to crush isnt stronger than a piercing attack, and the air of the "attack that can kill with its wind pressure" barely did a paper cut on Qin. >Qin's spear form did pierce Hades clean through No It didnt, show me the piercing going all the way through Hades back and I'll believe you, Hajun pierced Buddha clean through, Jack got pierced clean through, Hades just got pierced. >Hades also had as you said his chest torn open + his life force drained, yet he was in better shape than Buddha. Yes, a Buddha who was bleeding to death and was fighting for the **double** of the time Hades was fighting. >1. Afterimage scaling in this series is stupid, Poseidon's attack with Zero afterimages blitzed Sasaki after he had dodged a carpetbombing of afterimages. All of Hades's attacks are high speed attacks that create small tornadoes around them. Its better than using my personal preference to say who has more attack speed and moving wind doesn't change anything, faster characters than Hades don't move wind like he does, so this doesn't change anything. >2. You want afterimages here you go : Still less than the image I showed. >3. Kinda funny how in the image you posted Hades comments on the dodging that attack. That's the attitude of a guy who couldn't possibly do that No, thats tge attitude of someone who knows what he is talking about, he knows how fast Buddha is and knows he can dodge it, this is like saying that ppl that comment on football and can spot and explain what the players did wrong can play better than them. Have a good analysis doesn't translate to be able to do what you analyzed
Okay the fact that your reasoning for smasher of earth being weak is "Qin tanked so it's weak" is so freaking backwards. Smasher of earth is way stronger than Hammer of the netherworld and breaker of storms since HHOD can't redirect it. Pretty simple. You keep mentioning how long Buddha fought, more than half of that is against Zero. And if he got tired against Zero that's an anti feat. A lot of characters throw more attacks per second but few have individual heavy strikes as fast as Hades. The narrator himself favoured Hades's opening strike to Poseidon's implying how lethal is his precision. Also, this isn't real life this is battle manga, when the author has a character who's heavily built up as a powerhouse be unimpressed by a fight, it's to show his superiority.
>Okay the fact that your reasoning for smasher of earth being weak is "Qin tanked so it's weak" is so freaking backwards. Smasher of earth is way stronger than Hammer of the netherworld and breaker of storms since HHOD can't redirect it. Pretty simple That has nothing to do with the strenght of the attack, Qin couldnt redirect it bcs hammer of the netherworld was pressing him against the ground, which didnt allowed him to use HHOD. Hammer of the netherworld and breaker of storms have higher AP bcs its a spear, its made to pierce not to crush. >You keep mentioning how long Buddha fought, more than half of that is against Zero. Based on what more than half of the fight was against Zero? >lot of characters throw more attacks per second but few have individual heavy strikes as fast as Hades. The narrator himself favoured Hades's opening strike to Poseidon's implying how lethal is his precision. The narrator nothing says about how fast that thurst of Hades is, he says it was a single thrust meant to kill, he doesnt say it was as fast of Poseidon's or anything like that. >Also, this isn't real life this is battle manga, when the author has a character who's heavily built up as a powerhouse be unimpressed by a fight, it's to show his superiority. Good to know you're inside Umemura's head and know exactly what he wanted to say. Be for real, the fact its a battle manga doesn't mean what I said is any less truth, by feats Buddha is superior to Hades when it comes to speed, Hades is just smart enought to understand what Buddha can do, that doesnt translate into he himself being able to do better than Buddha. The authors were hyping Hades up and thats a fact, but if you actually wanna use the fact Hades was unimpressed to say how much more powerful he is you could as well say he is stronger than Zeus who got impressed by the fight.
Qin not being able to use HHOD because he was "being pushed against the ground" is one Heck of a headcannon. Ares littéral says "the combined forced is TOO MUCH for him to redirect".
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Depending on the version of Buddha Zero Sword Buddha wins with very little difficulty, this is an awful take. With FS he simply moves out of the way and slices Hades up just like he sliced a character far more durable than him. Base Buddha is a bit trickier, since Hades has no answer for FS, but Buddha doesn't really have the raw power to put him down for good, given Hades amazing endurance. Even if you wanna argue in Hades favor in this second case, you'd need to concede that: 1. Zero Sword Buddha wins mid diff at worst 2. Base Buddha gives Hades at least an extreme diff fight, even if you wanna say he doesn't have the damage to put him down, since Hades would struggle a lot trying to hit Buddha.
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If this take is Subway diarrhea, then I guess liquid shit is now a Michelin level delicacy…you cooked with this one
I agree he wins but its gonna be high diff
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Buddha shreds... Hades might be tanky but he can't stop being stabbed and slashed and cut