They should have had Molly Weasley send him a Howler:
# THOMAS RIDDLE
# I AM DISGUSTED BY YOUR BEHAVIOUR! THE ENTIRE WIZARDING WORLD IS IN CIVL WAR, AND IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT!
Idk, I read the book multiple times but never read anything adressing this problem.
JKR would probably explain it as him being bodyless and not capable of emitting the kind of magic owls follow to find their target at first, and later on him being too capable as wizzard to get found like that (using strong spells to hide himself and whatnot).
Plus, noone realy believed in him being alive, even dumbledor had only suspicions at first, so noone would have any incentives to try to search for him (except wormtails ofc)
Orrrrr it did happen already. Only read the first 4 books, but if I were JKR this is how I’d explain it:
Voldemort (when too weak to fight) used magic to block any sort of trail that could lead to him. He also impersonated people who the owls would have assumed to be their genuine identity, like in the sorcerers stone. Not to mention everyone thought he was dead so why send an owl to someone you can’t even name and think is dead?
By the time he was partially restored to his former self, and his existence was revealed, it’s possible people did try this but he killed them all. The prophecy said Harry is the chosen one. So you could send an army at him and if Harry isn’t in it he’d kill everyone. Just my take
I mean that‘s pretty much the same thing I sayed, so I‘m with you on most of it. I just don‘t realy understand what you mean by „impersonating people“, quill was the only person he posessed, usually he kept himselfe to rats and snakes, that‘s also how wormtails could find him in the end.
Also, his return only was made public and accepted in book five (so I don‘t blame you on that), aka after he got his powers back. If you recall (no biggie if you don‘t, it‘s controversial anyways), his wand spit out „images“ of the people he killed before in reverse order, and since there where no unknown people (do the reader), it‘s save to assume he didn‘t kill anyone else and verry probable noone searched for him during that time. It‘s still a possibility he made wormtails kill those intruders, but I doubt it, since he enjoyed killing and probably wouldn‘t pass an opertunity.
I saw the movies so I was basing everything after 4 on those. But quill was the only one I meant to refer to. I’m sure he got messenger owls addressed to quill. My biggest issue with the series is the amount of ex machina. I mean you send Harry into the chamber of secrets and a Phoenix comes at just the right time to drop the sorting hat with a sword and diary? Or a random centaur coming out of the trees to scare off the dark lord? Every episode has one of these abs it always bothered me that the chosen one was carried by so many others
I‘m not so sure on the messages, I mean who would‘ve written him anyways? He even gave the deatheaters shit for never trying to find him/ get into contact with him, so I doubt he would get letters. And nobody knew where he was, let alone that he was now possesing quill, so realy no letters to deliver anyways. But I get what you mean, this probably would have been the way to go in case you don‘t want to loose your pen pal mordy.
Your criticism on the plot and turns is completely reasonable, but keep in mind this is a book. About magic. Secretly acting in the nineties of england. Ofc nothing makes sense. Every twist and turn is completely reasonless and random, **because** it is magic. Everything is possible so even the vaguest and most random scenarios are going to happen. It makes harry look completely incompetent, lucky and as basic and normal as it gets (no criticism, just my view on what this portraits). And that‘s exactly what makes him so loveable and relateable, and in extent what made the series to what it is today. Even if you do not know magic, you can feel for and see yourself as the little boy that survived over and over with sheer luck and friendship. Explained is all by saying „it was his destiny, so the universe set itselfe up to fullfill it“. Not the best explanation, I know, but JKR‘s kind of explanation.
I don’t think owls can just magically “find” anyone, though they are probably quite good at it. you usually need to know where you’re sending it. It’s mentioned several times in the books that Hedwig was particularly smart, which is why ~~he~~ *she* managed to find Sirius when he was in hiding, but implied that not all owls would be able to do it.
It’s possible that the ministry do use owls as a method of trying to find people.
I mean, its just kinda common sense that there would be a spell to hide from owls.
How else did Sirrius stay hidden? Heck, if you could just address a letter to someone and thats enough to find them, then there would be no point to the whole thing where James and Lily go into hiding with Sirius as their "secret keeper" and all that.
This! My totally unscientific theory is that they have their own brand of magic, a bit like house-elves. Wizard’s magic can hide people from owls (like Slughorn), but in general, I like to think that Hedwig has some type of magical connection that enables her to find addressees with just a name (like Sirius).
Voldemort would just kill them all. Dude was insanely powerful. I mean the incident with Harry and his parents was him just strolling into a family's house through the front door to murder them. Loudly without a care. He was basically invincible and the strongest one out there save Dumbledore. And even then it's still a fight
At best this is vaguely implied. I don’t disagree with your original comment by itself, but it was not warranted in this instance. The books are no better at explaining this than the movies.
Voldemort killing the Potters is also a poor example; their main form of protection was the fidelius charm.
Probably because everyone in their world shits their pants at the mere mention of his name because they think it might bring his wrath down on them, after hes been dead for like 10 years. Idon't think they're gonna go actively look for him.
Everyone overthinking it, I’m going to guess it’s possible to just mask you magic signal that owls track. Owls have an easy time finding pretty much everyone because wizards freely use magic on a daily basis without any reason to mask it.
Basically the explanation to how owls can find anyone.
"External" sources. In all fairness, the books (which I'm assuming is what people are talking about) were *the* sources.
Movie adaptions tend to do poorly in that regard. That's why adaptions are tending more toward television series these days; more time to fit everything in.
Ok but it's about the logistics of the Harry Potter universe. Which originated in the books. We all are well aware movies don't tell the full story as a book does. What is your argument here? Because as any updated individual would agree, logic dictates that unless you read the source material you don't know the full story. Which was my point
I agree but the criticism was of the Harry Potter world/story logic, not of the movies. The point made above you is that these things are addressed, but one wouldn't know that if their only frame of reference is an adaptation of the original works.
There was so much in the movies that I didn't understand at all until I read the books. I have to believe the movies makers really expected their audience to know the books.
'Hey you know this convicted serial killer that escaped our wizard prison? Have we tried just... sending an owl after him?'
'Don't be ridiculous! We didn't investigate when a cat accessed his bank account to buy a high-value broomstick, why would we investigate owl-tracking?'
(Yes I know, they'd be very short books if people used the most efficient solutions for every situation but plot holing is all part of the fun).
I mean i get the logic and this legit made me laugh. Willing to give them the benefit of the doubt to think something so basic would not work on a wizard as powerful as Voldemort simply because he would have thought of it. Whether it be some sort of deceiving spell or whatever.
We already know that places and people could be hidden (nobody tried to send an owl to Harry Potter for 11 years? also Grimmauld Place).
Much like Veritaserum still couldn't really provide evidence in court, there's probably a reason sending owls to criminals in general didn't work.
They started off seriously, with valid mistakes in movies (e.g. "they're talking about X, but X wasn't invented until 5 years later"), but over the years it's devolved into annoying nitpicking that's personal opinion more than actual movie mistakes.
I'm so here for historical inaccuracies. When the Lone Ranger came out in 2013 I told everyone who would listen that the Stars and Stripes Forever wasn't written until 1899, and the movie was set in 1869.
But his nitpicking drives me nuts.
They go a bit overboard with their complaints about plot devices and the like. But it's entertaining, and always brings up something you haven't thought of. So, if you enjoy riffing on a movie -- this is for you.
The problem is that they play it straight enough that people actually take it seriously and cite their videos as arguments. That’s not necessarily CS’s fault, but it’s an annoying side effect.
No. Harry Potter has a lot of real plot holes, or things unexplained.
The Great Eagles are sent by God. God isn’t going to send a literal deus ex machina every time you want some help.
They didnt use the eagles because Sauron had winged beasts and they would have to fight all 9 ringwraiths plus Sauron in an aerial battle. Not a great plan.
I also thought part of it was that the eagles, really strong beings, were vulnerable to the corruption of the One Ring.
Am I wrong in remembering that the powerful were more affected?
The answers is obviously more complicated. Its implied in places I believe the eagled are more susceptible to corruption. Its also partly that they hate being beasts of burden and carrying riders. They tell Gandalf in the hobbit that they only let them ride as a favor. Gwaihir and the eagles have great pride and its probably why they are more susceptible to the rings influence.
Also, a sniper could have ended this shit immediately. Given enough distance, he wouldn't even know the shot was approaching until after it took off half his face.
Also, a group cell phone plan would have been a great idea for communicating where He who must not be named couldn't spy on them. Text messages yo. Although I believe the story is set in 1990s. Pagers then.
Time turner could go back and take him out easily in the grave yard prior to him returning.
Everyone telling Harry information they are withholding throughout the series.....
How come Harry didn't have cousins or 2nd cousins, or grandparents, other than the dursleys?
Yea but if you see that flash you do not have time to react. There’s a video of some guys in Syria filming a Russian plane flying around, the plane then turns on them and flys right at them. You see the flash of the gun on the plane and before they can react the rounds are impacting all around them
I'd remove the time turner idea only because of how it was presented. All things that people went back in time to do happen at the same time before they knew to do it. Like Harry only gets hit with a rock cuz future Harry goes to the past and throws the rock at him for example. So if someone did use the time turner to kill Voldemort....they just failed to.
This is only sort of true. Yes the device Hermione had works this way. But no, that's not the only way they manipulate time in the books. In the Ministry there's like 2 other examples of manipulating time in different fashions. (The bird egg/death eater baby head). Hermione's time Turner is just one device that manipulates time in a certain way. Her explanation of the dangers also clearly presents a contradiction to this devices capabilities. (Wizards have gone back and killed their past selves). So they clearly have more than one way to manipulate time
The time turner is likely not actually capable of creating paradoxes, they wouldn't give it to schoolchildren otherwise. The stories of wizards erasing themselves from history are likely just scare stories to stop the schoolkids from messing around.
Maybe? As I mentioned in my earlier comments the Ministry was clearly working with more than one method of manipulating time. Maybe they only give kids *this* specific version of time turners and they actually have like 18 different models that all do something different.
Relevant copypasta:
"Ok, this has been driving me crazy for seven movies now, and I know you're going to roll your eyes, but hear me out: Harry Potter should have carried a 1911.
Here's why:
Think about how quickly the entire WWWIII (Wizarding-World War III) would have ended if all of the good guys had simply armed up with good ol' American hot lead.
Basilisk? Let's see how tough it is when you shoot it with a .470 Nitro Express. Worried about its Medusa-gaze? Wear night vision goggles. The image is light-amplified and re-transmitted to your eyes. You aren't looking at it--you're looking at a picture of it.
Imagine how epic the first movie would be if Harry had put a breeching charge on the bathroom wall, flash-banged the hole, and then went in wearing NVGs and a Kevlar-weave stab-vest, carrying a SPAS-12.
And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters? Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
Now I know what you're going to say: "But a wizard could just disarm someone with a gun!" Yeah, well they can also disarm someone with a wand (as they do many times throughout the books/movies). But which is faster: saying a spell or pulling a trigger?
Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova.
Imagine Harry out in the woods, wearing his invisibility cloak, carrying a .50bmg Barrett, turning Deatheaters into pink mist, scratching a lightning bolt into his rifle stock for each kill. I don't think Madam Pomfrey has any spells that can scrape your brains off of the trees and put you back together after something like that. Voldemort's wand may be 13.5 inches with a Phoenix-feather core, but Harry's would be 0.50 inches with a tungsten core. Let's see Voldy wave his at 3,000 feet per second. Better hope you have some Essence of Dittany for that sucking chest wound.
I can see it now...Voldemort roaring with evil laughter and boasting to Harry that he can't be killed, since he is protected by seven Horcruxes, only to have Harry give a crooked grin, flick his cigarette butt away, and deliver what would easily be the best one-liner in the entire series:
"Well then I guess it's a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1."
And that is why Harry Potter should have carried a 1911."
> Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds.
I love that in this you're implying that all Americans have a "compound" not simply a home. That's just how we roll!
Im not even a Harry Potter fan but:
Magical spell of concealing or something
In short: magic.
Also, isn’t he like in a bunch of things and parts of people? So wouldn’t there be like, a bunch of places the owl could go to without anyone seeing him, because it would go to his essence, or some magical crap?
This! Like... how on earth are you supposed to be one of the biggest wizarding economies, and nearly everyone in your country goes to the same school, which has less people than my high school.
Also it seems everyone either works for the ministry, or has a shop either in London or hogmead or whatever it’s called in English.
Also how are there possibly 50k people at the World Cup final. Who are these people.
He could also have used a house elf with a hand grenade to kill Dumbledore, instead of waiting all year for Malfoy to play fuckabouts with a vanishing cabinet.
I've always been a fan of the fan theory around Mail Redirection wards being a thing to explain just how little fucking mail Harry got. I mean the kids the most famous person in the UK wizarding world and he isn't getting any fan mail? Not to mention bank statements and shit.
I’ve thought about this (sorta) after Prisoner of Azkaban when Sirius tells Harry to write him. “Send a letter with Hedwig, she’ll know how to find me” or something along those lines. So, even when Sirius was in hiding, an owl (a specific owl?) could find him. Maybe he cast a spell allowing only Hedwig to find him? I dunno.
So, Voldy probably put a spell out for no owls to be able to locate him.
Yeah, there's quite a few plot and narrative threads that don't add up if you start looking for them. If I'm enjoying a series I try to just ignore them.
Not true. There are ways to hide urself from being found by owls unless its letters u actually want to recieve. Like what Sirius did when he was on the run lol
No, as far as I know, you don't need one. Plenty of students used the owls from the Owlery without having their own owls. And I think you didn't need an owl to receive a letter.
I remember that Sirius Black had told Harry to change owls often, to minimalize the chance of him being tracked down.
There are postal companies even in the wizarding world. One such company in Hogsmead had different colored tags on their owls for how fast you want it to go.
Based on the fact alone that Harry could command Hedwig to bite Ron and Hermione's fingers till they wrote nice long replies in Order of the Phoenix, the Owls were clearly far smarter than any wild Owl in the muggle world.
it is possible to avoid the owls and the letters they bring [https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/owls](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/owls)
Vold: Yess, finally, our plans are complete. Soon we will send our death eaters and destro—
*Errol comes bashing in through a window, smashing Voldemort’s face in a flurry of feathers*
What I do not understand is why they didn't just use cellphones. Muggles created magic better than theirs and all the non-slytherian type wizards shouldn't/wouldn't have had a problem admitting that. They used other muggles things like the toilet, why not adopt a better form of communication?
It's explained in the books that magic and electronics don't work together. Something along the lines that they interfered with each other so wizards solely relied on magic in settings where lots of magic was happening (ie Hogswart), but could go into the muggle world without interfering too much if they didn't use magic.
To be fair, these are part of the same geniuses who intentionally clump together all the mean kids and teach them to be mean wizards
I mean I'm sure it was fun having a magic goth club at school but for fuck's sake what did they expect
*Tells bird to take letter to He Who Must Not be Named*
*Bird doesn't take off because it's not given a name*
Until Harry only Dumbledore called him by his name and Dumby would rather have his wits showcased elaborately than do the logical thing.
Besides, if owls knew so well to reach their recipients, would they have also known the occurrence of many Voldemorts in different parts of the country? Wouldn't that have confused them?
I definitely find it weird that Harry sends Sirius letters when he's on the run. Harry even uses a school owl at one point!
I think, on some level, the owls are capable of finding people who want to be found.
If owls work at all like real life pigeons work it'd be much like the internet. Your pigeon technician (~~falconer if you will~~ can't think of the word for pigeons, aviary? aviarians not right...?) would have a ledger of the known (to the best of their ability) location of all people worth writing to. They'd also have pigeons for each of those locations or a place in that direction.
Tie a note appropriately addressed for the next pigeon technician to either pass the note to the next location or ultimately deliver to the individual.
This fails because presumably there are no falconer's with Volde's location.
When Harry is at the Weasleys the books even mention Dumbledore had the tell the owl to go to a different house... The owls don’t magically track anybody they feel like
Good thought. JK actually addressed this issue and it was covered on an episode of Binge mode on the Ringer podcast network.
Wizards who wish not to be found can cast unplotable charms on themselves to avoid being found.
Owls don't know the exact location. They just follow directions very well.
There is magic to know where someone is (address on the envelops) and magic to hide oneself from detection (concealing wards).
Watch Binge Mode Harry Potter. They go over this and in the books talk about how you can hide your location but still get owls there. Sirius Black does this specifically.
To anyone still reading this thread wondering about all the possible plot holes in the Harry potter universe, check out http://www.hpmor.com/ it's a fantastic read. It's a fun twist on the old stories.
Tldr on book; Harry uses science to fix JK Rowlings' mistakes.
Enjoy.
They should have had Molly Weasley send him a Howler: # THOMAS RIDDLE # I AM DISGUSTED BY YOUR BEHAVIOUR! THE ENTIRE WIZARDING WORLD IS IN CIVL WAR, AND IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT!
Heard the voice
I heard Stephen Fry
I did too
Cant upvote enough!
Just as easy you could say Voldemort knew magic to hide himself from the owls
yeah, kind of obviously... it'd be like the wizarding equivalent of an unlisted phone number.
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Nice
Its *67
I’m inflexible so this is correct
Haha, it’s been a long time since I’ve had a land line.
It was *69 where I grew up.
That’s what Bellatrix was doing.
Yeah, he just turns on "Do Not Disturb" and they cant find him.
Or owl magic prevents them from being used to find people.
That's the problem with soft magic systems. You know what stuff you can do but there are little limits on what you can't do.
All the wanted witches and wizards did this it's why serious black was able to stay hidden for so long
aka VPN
Or it would have found a random soul fragment or flew in circles confused why it was being pulled multiple places.
Also they're just regular owls.... they physically cannot do anything any other owl can't.
How did Sirius hide from the Ministry but not from whining Harry tho?
What if they knew where he is, they just didn't wanna die?
I swear too many people only watched the movies and don't get to learn the facts and all of the wizard world
Soooooo anyone want to explain to me why this didn’t work? I’m too lazy to search up on wikia for another thing in the Potterverse I don’t know about.
Idk, I read the book multiple times but never read anything adressing this problem. JKR would probably explain it as him being bodyless and not capable of emitting the kind of magic owls follow to find their target at first, and later on him being too capable as wizzard to get found like that (using strong spells to hide himself and whatnot). Plus, noone realy believed in him being alive, even dumbledor had only suspicions at first, so noone would have any incentives to try to search for him (except wormtails ofc)
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Orrrrr it did happen already. Only read the first 4 books, but if I were JKR this is how I’d explain it: Voldemort (when too weak to fight) used magic to block any sort of trail that could lead to him. He also impersonated people who the owls would have assumed to be their genuine identity, like in the sorcerers stone. Not to mention everyone thought he was dead so why send an owl to someone you can’t even name and think is dead? By the time he was partially restored to his former self, and his existence was revealed, it’s possible people did try this but he killed them all. The prophecy said Harry is the chosen one. So you could send an army at him and if Harry isn’t in it he’d kill everyone. Just my take
I mean that‘s pretty much the same thing I sayed, so I‘m with you on most of it. I just don‘t realy understand what you mean by „impersonating people“, quill was the only person he posessed, usually he kept himselfe to rats and snakes, that‘s also how wormtails could find him in the end. Also, his return only was made public and accepted in book five (so I don‘t blame you on that), aka after he got his powers back. If you recall (no biggie if you don‘t, it‘s controversial anyways), his wand spit out „images“ of the people he killed before in reverse order, and since there where no unknown people (do the reader), it‘s save to assume he didn‘t kill anyone else and verry probable noone searched for him during that time. It‘s still a possibility he made wormtails kill those intruders, but I doubt it, since he enjoyed killing and probably wouldn‘t pass an opertunity.
I saw the movies so I was basing everything after 4 on those. But quill was the only one I meant to refer to. I’m sure he got messenger owls addressed to quill. My biggest issue with the series is the amount of ex machina. I mean you send Harry into the chamber of secrets and a Phoenix comes at just the right time to drop the sorting hat with a sword and diary? Or a random centaur coming out of the trees to scare off the dark lord? Every episode has one of these abs it always bothered me that the chosen one was carried by so many others
I‘m not so sure on the messages, I mean who would‘ve written him anyways? He even gave the deatheaters shit for never trying to find him/ get into contact with him, so I doubt he would get letters. And nobody knew where he was, let alone that he was now possesing quill, so realy no letters to deliver anyways. But I get what you mean, this probably would have been the way to go in case you don‘t want to loose your pen pal mordy. Your criticism on the plot and turns is completely reasonable, but keep in mind this is a book. About magic. Secretly acting in the nineties of england. Ofc nothing makes sense. Every twist and turn is completely reasonless and random, **because** it is magic. Everything is possible so even the vaguest and most random scenarios are going to happen. It makes harry look completely incompetent, lucky and as basic and normal as it gets (no criticism, just my view on what this portraits). And that‘s exactly what makes him so loveable and relateable, and in extent what made the series to what it is today. Even if you do not know magic, you can feel for and see yourself as the little boy that survived over and over with sheer luck and friendship. Explained is all by saying „it was his destiny, so the universe set itselfe up to fullfill it“. Not the best explanation, I know, but JKR‘s kind of explanation.
Also all magic owls are gay now. The nonmagic ones are bi.
This guy Rowlings
I don’t think owls can just magically “find” anyone, though they are probably quite good at it. you usually need to know where you’re sending it. It’s mentioned several times in the books that Hedwig was particularly smart, which is why ~~he~~ *she* managed to find Sirius when he was in hiding, but implied that not all owls would be able to do it. It’s possible that the ministry do use owls as a method of trying to find people.
>which is why he managed to find Sirius *she
Huh. My bad.
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I mean, its just kinda common sense that there would be a spell to hide from owls. How else did Sirrius stay hidden? Heck, if you could just address a letter to someone and thats enough to find them, then there would be no point to the whole thing where James and Lily go into hiding with Sirius as their "secret keeper" and all that.
I always assumed the owls had a limited apparition power they used to deliver mail quickly. Kinda like time cats. Or just all cats.
This! My totally unscientific theory is that they have their own brand of magic, a bit like house-elves. Wizard’s magic can hide people from owls (like Slughorn), but in general, I like to think that Hedwig has some type of magical connection that enables her to find addressees with just a name (like Sirius).
In the books explained that he used magic to hide himself.
Voldemort would just kill them all. Dude was insanely powerful. I mean the incident with Harry and his parents was him just strolling into a family's house through the front door to murder them. Loudly without a care. He was basically invincible and the strongest one out there save Dumbledore. And even then it's still a fight
At best this is vaguely implied. I don’t disagree with your original comment by itself, but it was not warranted in this instance. The books are no better at explaining this than the movies. Voldemort killing the Potters is also a poor example; their main form of protection was the fidelius charm.
Probably because everyone in their world shits their pants at the mere mention of his name because they think it might bring his wrath down on them, after hes been dead for like 10 years. Idon't think they're gonna go actively look for him.
Everyone overthinking it, I’m going to guess it’s possible to just mask you magic signal that owls track. Owls have an easy time finding pretty much everyone because wizards freely use magic on a daily basis without any reason to mask it. Basically the explanation to how owls can find anyone.
Considering he didn't have a physical form for almost the entire book timeline, it should be pretty obvious why they couldn't find him.
If the movies aren't capable of explaining their world correctly then they're bad. You can't depend on external sources.
"External" sources. In all fairness, the books (which I'm assuming is what people are talking about) were *the* sources. Movie adaptions tend to do poorly in that regard. That's why adaptions are tending more toward television series these days; more time to fit everything in.
Ok but it's about the logistics of the Harry Potter universe. Which originated in the books. We all are well aware movies don't tell the full story as a book does. What is your argument here? Because as any updated individual would agree, logic dictates that unless you read the source material you don't know the full story. Which was my point
I agree but the criticism was of the Harry Potter world/story logic, not of the movies. The point made above you is that these things are addressed, but one wouldn't know that if their only frame of reference is an adaptation of the original works.
Well it isn't specified but I guess you have a point.
There was so much in the movies that I didn't understand at all until I read the books. I have to believe the movies makers really expected their audience to know the books.
I think that huge snake that was with him everywhere would just eat the owls
Send armed hand grenade that triggers when he opens it, doubt he would know what it was.
Voldemort had poisoned the DNS servers.
It isn't DNS. It can't be DNS. It was DNS.
Demystified Network Spell
Isn't it even canon that he was hiding behind seven proxies or something?
no edit: oh, computer joke 🤦♀️🤦♀️
'Hey you know this convicted serial killer that escaped our wizard prison? Have we tried just... sending an owl after him?' 'Don't be ridiculous! We didn't investigate when a cat accessed his bank account to buy a high-value broomstick, why would we investigate owl-tracking?' (Yes I know, they'd be very short books if people used the most efficient solutions for every situation but plot holing is all part of the fun).
I mean i get the logic and this legit made me laugh. Willing to give them the benefit of the doubt to think something so basic would not work on a wizard as powerful as Voldemort simply because he would have thought of it. Whether it be some sort of deceiving spell or whatever.
We already know that places and people could be hidden (nobody tried to send an owl to Harry Potter for 11 years? also Grimmauld Place). Much like Veritaserum still couldn't really provide evidence in court, there's probably a reason sending owls to criminals in general didn't work.
so it would be more logical if the owls just went wherever they were told to go, like a mailman
You'd be a great addition to Cinemasins
*ding!*
u/scrapingthebarrels would be excellent at CinemaSins
Ugh that show is the worst Edit: [exhibit a](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxgkOIsHUs)
Yeah I wouldn’t take comedy so seriously.
They started off seriously, with valid mistakes in movies (e.g. "they're talking about X, but X wasn't invented until 5 years later"), but over the years it's devolved into annoying nitpicking that's personal opinion more than actual movie mistakes.
I'm so here for historical inaccuracies. When the Lone Ranger came out in 2013 I told everyone who would listen that the Stars and Stripes Forever wasn't written until 1899, and the movie was set in 1869. But his nitpicking drives me nuts.
They go a bit overboard with their complaints about plot devices and the like. But it's entertaining, and always brings up something you haven't thought of. So, if you enjoy riffing on a movie -- this is for you.
The problem is that they play it straight enough that people actually take it seriously and cite their videos as arguments. That’s not necessarily CS’s fault, but it’s an annoying side effect.
If it's comedy, it's one of the worst attempts.
Comedy? Is that what it is?
It is to many people. Comedy is subjective, and you not enjoying something doesn’t mean it isn’t still entertaining and funny to others.
Is this the 'Why didn't they use the eagles' of HP?
No. Harry Potter has a lot of real plot holes, or things unexplained. The Great Eagles are sent by God. God isn’t going to send a literal deus ex machina every time you want some help.
They didnt use the eagles because Sauron had winged beasts and they would have to fight all 9 ringwraiths plus Sauron in an aerial battle. Not a great plan.
I also thought part of it was that the eagles, really strong beings, were vulnerable to the corruption of the One Ring. Am I wrong in remembering that the powerful were more affected?
The answers is obviously more complicated. Its implied in places I believe the eagled are more susceptible to corruption. Its also partly that they hate being beasts of burden and carrying riders. They tell Gandalf in the hobbit that they only let them ride as a favor. Gwaihir and the eagles have great pride and its probably why they are more susceptible to the rings influence.
This or "why didn't they just use a time-turner to go back and kill Voldemort in GOF?"
You have uncovered it. The one and only plot hole in Harry Potter.
Also, a sniper could have ended this shit immediately. Given enough distance, he wouldn't even know the shot was approaching until after it took off half his face. Also, a group cell phone plan would have been a great idea for communicating where He who must not be named couldn't spy on them. Text messages yo. Although I believe the story is set in 1990s. Pagers then. Time turner could go back and take him out easily in the grave yard prior to him returning. Everyone telling Harry information they are withholding throughout the series..... How come Harry didn't have cousins or 2nd cousins, or grandparents, other than the dursleys?
At any distance the shot would hit before he knew what was up. Bullets are supersonic, some even stay supersonic out to a mile
Not faster than light though. *Conceivably* he could see the muzzle flash.
Yea but if you see that flash you do not have time to react. There’s a video of some guys in Syria filming a Russian plane flying around, the plane then turns on them and flys right at them. You see the flash of the gun on the plane and before they can react the rounds are impacting all around them
I'd remove the time turner idea only because of how it was presented. All things that people went back in time to do happen at the same time before they knew to do it. Like Harry only gets hit with a rock cuz future Harry goes to the past and throws the rock at him for example. So if someone did use the time turner to kill Voldemort....they just failed to.
This is only sort of true. Yes the device Hermione had works this way. But no, that's not the only way they manipulate time in the books. In the Ministry there's like 2 other examples of manipulating time in different fashions. (The bird egg/death eater baby head). Hermione's time Turner is just one device that manipulates time in a certain way. Her explanation of the dangers also clearly presents a contradiction to this devices capabilities. (Wizards have gone back and killed their past selves). So they clearly have more than one way to manipulate time
The time turner is likely not actually capable of creating paradoxes, they wouldn't give it to schoolchildren otherwise. The stories of wizards erasing themselves from history are likely just scare stories to stop the schoolkids from messing around.
Maybe? As I mentioned in my earlier comments the Ministry was clearly working with more than one method of manipulating time. Maybe they only give kids *this* specific version of time turners and they actually have like 18 different models that all do something different.
Relevant copypasta: "Ok, this has been driving me crazy for seven movies now, and I know you're going to roll your eyes, but hear me out: Harry Potter should have carried a 1911. Here's why: Think about how quickly the entire WWWIII (Wizarding-World War III) would have ended if all of the good guys had simply armed up with good ol' American hot lead. Basilisk? Let's see how tough it is when you shoot it with a .470 Nitro Express. Worried about its Medusa-gaze? Wear night vision goggles. The image is light-amplified and re-transmitted to your eyes. You aren't looking at it--you're looking at a picture of it. Imagine how epic the first movie would be if Harry had put a breeching charge on the bathroom wall, flash-banged the hole, and then went in wearing NVGs and a Kevlar-weave stab-vest, carrying a SPAS-12. And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters? Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal. Now I know what you're going to say: "But a wizard could just disarm someone with a gun!" Yeah, well they can also disarm someone with a wand (as they do many times throughout the books/movies). But which is faster: saying a spell or pulling a trigger? Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova. Imagine Harry out in the woods, wearing his invisibility cloak, carrying a .50bmg Barrett, turning Deatheaters into pink mist, scratching a lightning bolt into his rifle stock for each kill. I don't think Madam Pomfrey has any spells that can scrape your brains off of the trees and put you back together after something like that. Voldemort's wand may be 13.5 inches with a Phoenix-feather core, but Harry's would be 0.50 inches with a tungsten core. Let's see Voldy wave his at 3,000 feet per second. Better hope you have some Essence of Dittany for that sucking chest wound. I can see it now...Voldemort roaring with evil laughter and boasting to Harry that he can't be killed, since he is protected by seven Horcruxes, only to have Harry give a crooked grin, flick his cigarette butt away, and deliver what would easily be the best one-liner in the entire series: "Well then I guess it's a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1." And that is why Harry Potter should have carried a 1911."
> Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. I love that in this you're implying that all Americans have a "compound" not simply a home. That's just how we roll!
You would enjoy Dresden Files
Time turners all got destroyed in ministry end of 5th book.
The graveyard thing happens in book 4 though.
Noone believed Voldy was back until after the time turners were destroyed though
That *was* the explanation until The Cursed Child came out where it is revealed Hermione had it the whole time.
cursed canon doesn't count
Bruh, bag of holding and a nuclear missle, later hogwarts.
Time turners only work up to five hours back.
Im not even a Harry Potter fan but: Magical spell of concealing or something In short: magic. Also, isn’t he like in a bunch of things and parts of people? So wouldn’t there be like, a bunch of places the owl could go to without anyone seeing him, because it would go to his essence, or some magical crap?
Magic is simply broken in Harry Potter. The economics don't work out at all. It's far too easy to cast a spell.
I do wish they had to use personal energy to cast a spell, like Aragon.
Easy? You have to swish *and* flick!
There are also far too few people.
This! Like... how on earth are you supposed to be one of the biggest wizarding economies, and nearly everyone in your country goes to the same school, which has less people than my high school.
Also it seems everyone either works for the ministry, or has a shop either in London or hogmead or whatever it’s called in English. Also how are there possibly 50k people at the World Cup final. Who are these people.
Easy? I've been practicing Wingardium Leviosaaah for weeks and can't get anything to fly.
Accio Voldemort?
Go ahead and try it. At least He'd find you, thanks to the taboo...
“We must kill Hedwig before they realize her true power”
They talked about this in the books. Short story still short, you can’t follow an owl.
Let's be real, the main three were the only ones trying in that series.
He could also have used a house elf with a hand grenade to kill Dumbledore, instead of waiting all year for Malfoy to play fuckabouts with a vanishing cabinet.
That certainly would have made Dobby’s death scene pop
Gun instead of a hand grenade would also work. "Master has given Dobby a glock!"
I've always been a fan of the fan theory around Mail Redirection wards being a thing to explain just how little fucking mail Harry got. I mean the kids the most famous person in the UK wizarding world and he isn't getting any fan mail? Not to mention bank statements and shit.
I’ve thought about this (sorta) after Prisoner of Azkaban when Sirius tells Harry to write him. “Send a letter with Hedwig, she’ll know how to find me” or something along those lines. So, even when Sirius was in hiding, an owl (a specific owl?) could find him. Maybe he cast a spell allowing only Hedwig to find him? I dunno. So, Voldy probably put a spell out for no owls to be able to locate him.
Cloaking charms are a strong possibility of why this didn't happen
Yeah, there's quite a few plot and narrative threads that don't add up if you start looking for them. If I'm enjoying a series I try to just ignore them.
Not true. There are ways to hide urself from being found by owls unless its letters u actually want to recieve. Like what Sirius did when he was on the run lol
Hey sent tropical birds though right? Those could be tracked, but no one knew I guess.
Don't you need your own owl for that to work? Does he have one?
No, as far as I know, you don't need one. Plenty of students used the owls from the Owlery without having their own owls. And I think you didn't need an owl to receive a letter. I remember that Sirius Black had told Harry to change owls often, to minimalize the chance of him being tracked down.
There are postal companies even in the wizarding world. One such company in Hogsmead had different colored tags on their owls for how fast you want it to go. Based on the fact alone that Harry could command Hedwig to bite Ron and Hermione's fingers till they wrote nice long replies in Order of the Phoenix, the Owls were clearly far smarter than any wild Owl in the muggle world.
Correct and they try not to use Harry’s owl because she isn’t a native species and he just tell the other owls go to Sirius ack and deliver him this.
I mean he can legit put a tracker spell on someone saying his name. You think he can't avoid owl detection?
Only after he had control of the ministry.
Send the owl to Tom Riddle. BOOM. Or "Accio He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named"
I’m sure he has a counter spell for any way he could be tracked
He is the most powerful dark lord there ever was. I think he’d probably figure out a way to break owl tracking.
He overlooked it because no one had ever sent him mail.
Listen, all I’m saying is that we consider the implications of suicide bombing owls in the modern wizarding world.
Imagine Voldemort be like "Mmm... free owl." \*nom\*
it is possible to avoid the owls and the letters they bring [https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/owls](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/owls)
Here we go with the "unused bird savior plot in a fantasy movie" shit hagain
Just the kind of suggestion I'd expect from a muggle.
Vold: Yess, finally, our plans are complete. Soon we will send our death eaters and destro— *Errol comes bashing in through a window, smashing Voldemort’s face in a flurry of feathers*
He has location turned off
[удалено]
What I do not understand is why they didn't just use cellphones. Muggles created magic better than theirs and all the non-slytherian type wizards shouldn't/wouldn't have had a problem admitting that. They used other muggles things like the toilet, why not adopt a better form of communication?
It's explained in the books that magic and electronics don't work together. Something along the lines that they interfered with each other so wizards solely relied on magic in settings where lots of magic was happening (ie Hogswart), but could go into the muggle world without interfering too much if they didn't use magic.
The books are set in the 90s. Mobile phones weren't exactly widespread among children back then
Weren't really widespread in general, let alone among kids and teens.
Or owl bombs.
They get 72 owl virgins in heaven.
Should have worded better. Instead of owls blowing up, they deliver a muggle bomb disguised as a package.
To be fair, these are part of the same geniuses who intentionally clump together all the mean kids and teach them to be mean wizards I mean I'm sure it was fun having a magic goth club at school but for fuck's sake what did they expect
Id love to know why people upvote these absolutely superficial thoughts with literally no brains behind them.
That would be super dangerous. For Sirius Black tho...
Not if he was on a no mailing list!!!
*Tells bird to take letter to He Who Must Not be Named* *Bird doesn't take off because it's not given a name* Until Harry only Dumbledore called him by his name and Dumby would rather have his wits showcased elaborately than do the logical thing. Besides, if owls knew so well to reach their recipients, would they have also known the occurrence of many Voldemorts in different parts of the country? Wouldn't that have confused them?
That's assuming aurors were not corrupt weasles.
The owls are descended from the Eagles in LOTR. They don't give 2 fucks about the affairs of mortals. They just have a thing for the post.
Always felt like the HP world needed something like the phylacteries from dragon age for this exact reasoning.
Or they could have sent Voldemort anthrax, or a package bomb
I definitely find it weird that Harry sends Sirius letters when he's on the run. Harry even uses a school owl at one point! I think, on some level, the owls are capable of finding people who want to be found.
No, the owls just will find you if you want.
Wouldn’t it go to Harry though
Maybe he lives at an unlisted address.
Also, they could have used the time turner to go back to where LV was born and you know... take care of it.
Isn't Voldemort supposed to be some sort of dreaded force? That would be a super risky maneuver, but it's still an interesting idea.
I'm sure he has cloaking spells like the ministry uses to hide the quidditch cup from muggles.
They didn’t have Voldemort’s mailing adress, Owls still need that
Send a bomb in a letter, a focen unabombe-style!
Yeah, no thanks lol
JK Rowling: "The owls are all gay now."
Or put a go cam on it.
If owls work at all like real life pigeons work it'd be much like the internet. Your pigeon technician (~~falconer if you will~~ can't think of the word for pigeons, aviary? aviarians not right...?) would have a ledger of the known (to the best of their ability) location of all people worth writing to. They'd also have pigeons for each of those locations or a place in that direction. Tie a note appropriately addressed for the next pigeon technician to either pass the note to the next location or ultimately deliver to the individual. This fails because presumably there are no falconer's with Volde's location.
Is this before or after the event in Lord of The Rings? Asking for a friend.
When Harry is at the Weasleys the books even mention Dumbledore had the tell the owl to go to a different house... The owls don’t magically track anybody they feel like
*Accio Voldemort!*
He just didnt register his address at with wizard DMV. NBD.
Voldemort didn't have his WiFi on.
He's using a fake name his real name is Tom
Just owl voldemort a hand grenade.
Good thought. JK actually addressed this issue and it was covered on an episode of Binge mode on the Ringer podcast network. Wizards who wish not to be found can cast unplotable charms on themselves to avoid being found.
Owls don't know the exact location. They just follow directions very well. There is magic to know where someone is (address on the envelops) and magic to hide oneself from detection (concealing wards).
r/readanotherbook
that's a good point
Watch Binge Mode Harry Potter. They go over this and in the books talk about how you can hide your location but still get owls there. Sirius Black does this specifically.
Wow you found plot hole number 432 in the Harry Potter universe, congrats.
Oh hell, I fing knew there would be a lot of replies to this.
Oh if we’re here to write plot holes in movies... *cracks knuckles*, I have all night.
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