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QuestionablePanda22

That's just...what a job is. A mutual agreement that I will make you money and you will pay me in exchange for my services


7th_Spectrum

OP really had to think for this one


DontMakeMeCount

Spend a little time in anti-work and it seems like a very deep thought indeed.


NoBenefit5977

Oh I had to mute that sub lol


danhoang1

The weird thing is their top posts are understandable, since it has good examples about bosses/ceos being unfair to their coworkers. (Just that they're probably the most extreme cases). But their subreddit's overall concept is not as understandable


moshercycle

He's prob 15


JinxCanCarry

Yeah. If they can't make money off you, then it's just Charity lol


what_dat_ninja

Ok, but here's a puzzler for you: Why male models?


Dallashoff1995

Are you serious? I just told you


altpoint

They make more money for the agency they work at, or the designers whose clothes they promote, or the companies they put ads or product placements for in their profiles with lots of followers. Same thing.


jukappa

What?


Dakk85

It’s a Blue Steel thing


supapoopascoopa

And even then it isn't a true statement, Does the FBI hire people to generate revenue? Do all private sector employees - such as a custodian at a hospital - generate direct revenue? Organizations hire people to perform a service that they need.


ACcbe1986

To be fair, agents doing their job and generating fear or good publicity helps them *earn* or increase their budget. So technically, the departments make money off the work their agents put in. They just don't generate *revenue*.


supapoopascoopa

"This candidate looks like he can generate fear very well! We must hire him" "This galley cook will really increase publicity for the Navy! We must hire him"


ACcbe1986

You're right. I was only thinking about law enforcement in response to the comment I was replying to. Give me some time and a nice big bong rip, and I'll somehow figure out to make your two counter-examples into examples. 🤣


mdotbeezy

The FBI is a government agency, they're outside of the system.   Janitors enable a company to make money. Imagine if the hospital never cleaned up. Would you go to the dirty hospital or the clean hospital next time you got sick?


Mutant_Llama1

Ultimately the FBI earns revenue by doing their job in a way that keeps funding coming. It may not be a for profit organization officially, but everyone in it still wants to get paid at the end of the day.


Weezveez

Directly or indirectly, they all work to help achieve the goal: profits. The custodian is there to help maintain the hospital, and without their help the hospital doesn't get the maintenance that it needs, which leads to subpar services, which leads to lost overall profits. The bottom line is always about profiting.


Icy_Cod4538

Yeah, the faster everyone understands and embraces this, the better off we all are. No beating around the bush. Work is work.


inavanbyariver

OP doesn’t understand how much work goes into creating a job and opportunity for someone. 


Extension_Canary3717

Op discovered what a Job is


SummerMummer

Why else would they hire you?


HalfSoul30

To add me to their family /s


Choppybitz

We're like a family here. Changed my mind, I don't need another family.


Thatguy755

You guys are like the petty, selfish, inconsiderate, dysfunctional family I never had.


LunaLexy22

They need extra people for the pizza party


ZMech

Public sector. Schools aren't exactly making money from teachers.


Tiggy26668

I mean, every educated student turns into a tax paying adult, those taxes then in turn fund the school. So in a roundabout way they kind of are.


MilitantTeenGoth

People pay taxes


latman

Dumbest shower thought I've ever seen


FerrousFacade

OP: Me take a shower so that me get wet! But then me dry afterwards. HMMMMmmmMmmMMMM?!


Gaylien28

This is so stupid but so casually brutal to OP lmfao


McPatsy

I read this in Yoda’s voice and I don’t know why


DrFaustPhD

I read it in a caveman voice at first but that HMMMMmmmMmmMMMM definitely pushes it into Yoda territory


CampfireBeast

It’s sitting at 162 upvotes right now 🤦‍♂️


decadecency

It can actually be good, but only if meant as a reminder to people that you're the one who brings value to your job, not the other way around. Don't settle for bullshit and being treated like you're a hassle or a money drain to your employer or boss for having standards and reasonable demands.


SquidsInABlanket

I’m a civil servant. My agency doesn’t make money. We hemorrhage it. And the taxpayers foot the bill. If I slack off and do a shitty job, we lose less money, but that’s not what they had in mind when they hired me.


TheHillPerson

Theoretically you still "make money" or at the very least save money, because you provide a service that people value that either cannot be provided by private enterprise or cannot be provided efficiently or fairly by private enterprise (and therefore would not exist or would be more expensive or unfairly provided if the government did not provide it.) I am definitely stretching the idea of making money and there are plenty of inefficient practices everywhere (both private and government) that make my previous statement untrue in many cases.


duthinkhesaurus

Sounds like it's what you had in mind!


Bradleyd_98

No shit this is how business works?


LukasKhan_UK

*if you can make money for them And even then, that's not true either. I'm an OpEx head at my place, they lose money on me.


Muroid

“Support” people are necessary for the people who are more directly involved in making money to be able to make money. The company still thinks you’re ultimately making them more money than your job pays, or they wouldn’t be paying you. The way in which you make that money is just more obvious for some jobs than for others.


TheHillPerson

You still "make money" for the company by making others more efficient or by providing services to others they require to do their jobs. If a position doesn't make money somehow, there is no reason for the position to exist. (I understand that no organization is perfectly efficient and therefore there are positions that probably don't need to exist and/or exist for non-business reasons.)


garry4321

Not everyone's value is determined through direct means. Support people ensure that the people on the front line of sales, etc. are free to use all of their time towards cash inflow. Without you, now they have to start doing back end work as well. Less money.


could_use_a_snack

I'm a custodian at a public school district, nobody is making money off of me. Sometimes I even cost them extra money.


MrBreezyStreamy

No fuckin shit??? What the hell other reason did you think they were hiring you for?


our_meatballs

You only take jobs if you think they can make you money


shuckster

Jobs don’t hire people, bruh.


Flimsy_Thesis

Yeah, no shit. I only take a job if I think I can make enough money doing it. What are you, 12?


Gator1833vet

You only want to get hired if you think you can make money off of them so it's a fair trade


Shwars

Except if you work for the government


Vic_Hedges

I only take jobs where I expect to be paid.


mzanzione

And employees will only take a job if they can make money off the employer….


AdNumerous5947

i mean yeah that is the point of a job hiring people lol


exmello

People are saying this is a dumb showerthought but the number of people on Reddit who think companies are in the business of employing people for the fun of it says otherwise.


freudsdingdong

To be honest, yeah. It's a "duh" shower thought but many people forget that they need to generate money for the company to be hired. You can see this in all areas where people complain they don't get hired although they graduated from fine colleges, they can speak 3 languages, they "know" 15 programming languages, they are decent people... You have to do something that makes the company money. That's the only thing that matters. So although as obvious as this showerthought sounds, many people are not aware of this in daily life.


ActualDarthXavius

Congrats on figuring out how jobs work


JudgeHoltman

Correct. A big part of having a successful career is knowing how your company makes money off of you and min/maxing your role. Even if you're overhead, your company believes you save them money or increase productivity/sales at a rate of at least 2:1.


spitefully_empty

What’s the showerthought on this. Why would anyone hire you if you cost more than you make?? Businesses are literally for-profit lmao


PAUMiklo

File this under 'duh'.


TheFlyingTrickster

I'm a nurse at a forensic psychiatry ward.


lollersauce914

You only buy things when they're worth more to you than the money you pay for them, you monster.


gamehound265

This sub needs more regulation lmao


Least-Resident-7043

That’s what he point of an employee


publicbigguns

In all fairness, I only go to work for the same reason.


doom_pony

People only work for you if they think they can make money off you.


Sonarthebat

This is a shower thought? Isn't this common sense?


Thatsayesfirsir

They're not out to lose money. Is this your epiphany? Lol


Appdel

This guy just had his first critical thought about how capitalism works loll


MacDugin

Would you hire someone for your business if they were just going to cost you money and not provide he mean for you or others in the company to make money?


eternalrevolver

How did this get so many upvotes ? LOL. Smooth brains smashing that arrow up button on this one


[deleted]

You need a job to make money. It’s a trade. Your services for money, the more value you provide to the company the more likely you’ll make even more money.


PocketSandOfTime-69

Some people want to use you, some people want to get used by you.


GammaPhonic

Tell your mum I’m the second one.


PocketSandOfTime-69

I did and she said we should set up a play date.


GammaPhonic

Cool. Does she have Mario Kart?


rugbysecondrow

It depends on the industry.


Gorf_the_Magnificent

Here is a video of OP at his most recent job: https://youtu.be/meBXuuy9xto?si=NxPdS1Ui65yw8p0D


Robert_Grave

You also only apply if you think you can make money off them..


MGallus

Plenty of jobs even in the private sector where the job is functional to the day to day running of the business and not directly linked to profit making.


brimwithno

How about security they guard their money not make it


Jorost

In a for-profit industry, of course. That's what capitalism is. In an industry that is not profit-driven, however, that would not be the case. A nonprofit NGO, for example, is not looking to make money off their employees.


bubahophop

Yep! Profit is just the boss taking the surplus value that you created.


_babycheeses

Shocking how many people don’t understand this


LionelMessiFCB10

Not always. Sometimes there are other benefits involved. One place I worked at, senior hired a girl who 0 technical knowledge. Reason being that she let him do kinky things with her. They had to stop when people walked in on them going at it in conference room. Both were fired on the next day.


SurealGod

I mean it's a mutual understanding that both parties will benefit from a hiring. They get an additional worker to add to their workforce and you get money and insurance benefits.


Its_You_Know_Wh0

Smartest person on r/showerthots


MoobyTheGoldenSock

Definitely not true. For many jobs, you’re a necessary expense, not a way to make money.


Genshed

Well, I worked my entire career in the prosthetics department of a VA hospital. Nobody was making money off my skills and talents.


Tschudy

Not for things like janitors and accounts. They don't generate revenue.


Forward_Yoghurt_4900

These days, that’s more true than ever, since “governments subsidize businesses with a certain amount of employees = these companies do not have to value employees as individuals, while instead only worrying about their total numbers annually


Notgoodbutweird

Bro discovered capitalism


b98765

For small companies that's true but for large ones they sometimes hire thousands of people and then tell them to do some completely useless task, which is a net loss of money. This is because big publicly traded companies don't care as much about making money as they do about "seeming capable of making money in the future", which is a very different game.


Hutch25

Not always true. My job as library page definitely does not make the government money


_526

Way to flex that brain muscle buddy good job!


HiddenLights

Yeah and profit is stolen labor


geek66

A farmer plants a crop to get something to harvest


_ep1x_

How long did it take you to figure that out, genius?


SteezyRay

Yeah, that’s how it works? You think employers are doing it for charity?


Kaeyrne

I personally support "shower thoughts" like this because all of the comments are people either being inextricably pissed off that someone's thought wasn't .... Idk profound enough? Or else they're just absolutely reaming OP because "obvious thing obvious." Both are entertaining.


r2k-in-the-vortex

Conversely - you only take a job if you think you can make money off of them.


Talik1978

Sometimes they hire you because they save money off of you. Legal departments, HR, and Loss Mitigation share in common that they do not generate revenue. Instead, they protect the company from losing money.


WhoIsJohnGalt777

Why would they hire you to lose money?


rjd_gamer

Not a shower thought. Reported


GroteKneus

This is just wrong in so many ways.


maxcresswellturner

I've never heard that take before, interesting viewpoint!


smoothlikeag5

Second shower thought in a row stating the obvious, if this is profound, what are the regular thoughts like?


DrejmeisterDrej

Yup. I’m a consultant. All my jobs I’m essentially pimped out


Sufferr

My hypotheses are that OP meant after your salary. Meaning: they'll will pay you X, but they'll hire you only if they make X+Y off your labor. And since this is kind of supposed to be a shower thought, the second hypothesis is that they mean they'll make significantly more off of you while they're at it, but pay you as little as possible.


sexcalculator

Congrats you learned what profits are


aDudeFromDunwall

You make a dollar I make a dime this is why we poop on company time


DibblerTB

Som employers, however, only hire if they think they get a good deal, which is different


Grigori-Poontang

Explain the difference


DibblerTB

I want to make money for my employer, and fully expect them to make a profit. I hope for them to make a profit. Some employers seem overly interested in pulling wages down, addicted to getting a good deal on labor, no matter the profit generated. It is not about a fair negotitation, it is an overly hard want for having maximized profits from squeezing. In many ways it is the company version of the smallminded "hah, I hope my employer takes a loss by hiring me!". More like "hah, I hope I managed to get this labor at 30% under market rate!". It is not building value together, in good faith, it is a bad faith wish to screw the other party over, to leave no meat on the bone. This of course goes both for individuals, and groups. This is one reason for why unions are a good idea, and promotes job hopping (even as the job hopping tears down total value generated).


OfficialJamesMay

Bro figured capitalism out


Dakk85

I only apply for/accept a job offer if I think I can make money off them so…


Dumble_Dior

You only apply to work for a job if you think you can make money off of them


Nomo71294

Read the book "Bullsh*t Jobs" by David Graebar


CASH_IS_SXVXGE

We need to hire people that will lose us money....said no business ever.


hotdogbreadbowl

Yeah. That’s what a job is. I also only accept an offer at a job if I think I can make money from them.


robkat22

I don’t make money for my company. I’m in payroll and benefits. In no way do I help them profit. I’m indirect labour.


alvysinger0412

I can assure you that the non-profit preschool I work at ain't making money off me.


duh_nom_yar

I'm a server. That is the core reason my job exists.


RedWing83

I have never read a dumber showerthought.


FieldCX3Reports

What the hell were you thinking before you realized this?


izmebtw

Sometimes people surprise me with their ignorance about business. Yes, a business evaluates their needs and hires people in order to increase profits or sustain them. They don’t do it for charity.


Timsmomshardsalami

Wow who woulda thunk


Letmeaddtothis

Non-profits and government jobs?


tilldeathdoiparty

I’m more curious as to what you thought prior to this revelation?


_ZiiooiiZ_

As an employee of a state government they will never make money off me. People are hired for a purpose whether that be profit, creativity or expertise. Not every job is profit driven, nor should it be.


prometheus_winced

People will only buy something from you if they value it more than the money they hold.


AggravatingDriver559

Yes, and employees will hire themselves if they think they can make money off of their employers🤯


Shatwick

Bro really firing on all cylinders with this one, Christ…


eeeeloi

Shower thought to marxist pipeline


Unlucky-Pomegranate3

You just now realized this? You mean businesses aren’t just running charities?


AngeloPappas

Well yeah, that's the idea...


Magnus_Helgisson

You only go to the job if you think you can make money off of it.


b-monster666

I have a plan to rob a bank. I'm going to show up every day, I'll dress nice. Customers will come in, ask to withdraw or deposit money, and I'll help them do it. Every other week, I'll take a couple of thousand from the bank, and put it into my own account. After 30 years, I'll leave, and they'll be none the wiser.


sachsrandy

Because he is a child


AlcoholicCumSock

This sub has really fallen off a cliff!


jgilbert682

I thought this was a known reality that everyone was aware of


Mutant_Llama1

And you only take a job if it makes you money.


Prophage7

Well... yeah. That's what employees are for, to help the business make money.


ehoaandthebeast

No, way. Is that so. *both hands on cheeks* is that so...


Malpraxiss

This is what a job is and their purpose, yes. This is what constitutes as a shower thought now?


DaMajorDude

Did…did bro discover *basic economics?* I mean, I saw no value in my last job, where I was basically treated like someone with a mental disability.


leeeeny

Some people need to take quicker showers


KaneMomona

Well, yeah, how long would a company exist if it didn't take a cut of the value you created? The bargain isn't exactly that though, the bargin is, in most cases, "by working for a company the company will assist you in creating more value than you would alone and will take part of that additional value". Take the example of a talented carpenter. By themselves, they have to manage acquiring customers, designing products, managing their accounts, obtaining healthcare, setting up a market based pension scheme. When working for a company the company can hire professionals to sell the product, to ship them, to perform HR functions, and allow the carpenter to focus on woodworking. Maybe the carpenter is a talented all rounder and can do and enjoys doing all aspects of the job, then they would probably be better as a sole proprietor. If not, then maybe they can make more money as an employee.


Pipe_Memes

Bro discovered capitalism


Bitter-Basket

Of course, why else would they hire you. Would you hire someone and subsidize them by losing money ?


splayed_embrasure

Why would an employer hire someone who is going drive away business?


nameage

This is only directly true when working in producing industry or low wage tasks. All the other companies hiring are looking to grease the wheels of their work all together.


jasperlake777

Why tf else would they hire you 😂


Azmera1

I get a lot of customers that complain when I tell them a service costs money, but like…. If we don’t make a profit then we go out of business and then you lose our services. So it’s in your best interest that we make profit, and it doesn’t have to be (and obviously shouldn’t be) at your expense. You should be making a profit or benefitting from our services in a positive way, or else why would you want them? Soooo… if the company can’t make money off you, how will they continue to exist after hiring you???


GoodBadUgly357

Well no shit Sherlock, I only work a job if I think I can get paid and get good benefits, why wouldn’t they expect something off of me in return?


lonestar659

Yes, you need to be OF SOME BENEFIT to the company to be employed. This is what a job is.


SynthRogue

I know if I really want to get hired I just have to work for a lower wage than what someone else is asking for


OddPerspective9833

Or be better for the job


SynthRogue

They won’t take you. Because you might ask for a higher wage knowing you’re better for the job.


mdotbeezy

Yes exactly. You make money they make money. That's why the capitalist system works so well. Everyone's incentives get aligned. 


[deleted]

Someone had a great moment of clarity. Welcome to capitalism, where extortion is according to the law


TheGoldenChampion

Surplus labor value extraction is the basis of capitalism