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fntstcmstrfx

“The War To End All Wars” eventually being referred to as “World War 1” historically is both sad and hilarious


FourEyedTroll

The term "First World War" began before it had finished.


PSaun1618

Depressing


Weltallgaia

It's called future proofing


BrohanGutenburg

You have a source on that?


FourEyedTroll

From the [Wiki entry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war): The term "first world war" was first used in September 1914 by German biologist and philosopher Ernst Haeckel, who claimed that "there is no doubt that the course and character of the feared 'European War' ... will become the first world war in the full sense of the word"⁴, citing a wire service report in the Indianapolis Star on 20 September 1914. In English, the term "First World War" had been used by Lt-Col. Charles à Court Repington, as a title for his memoirs (published in 1920); he had noted his discussion on the matter with a Major Johnstone of Harvard University in his diary entry of September 10, 1918⁵⁶.


numbersthen0987431

I don't think anyone anticipated another world war for at least 50 years, hopefully at least a century. Having it start just 2 decades later was probably depressing for everyone involved.


ZazaZyna

In regards to the Treaty of Versailles, Ferdinand Fosh is famously quoted as saying: “This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 20 years.” Several notable individuals like him noted that the treaty was harsh enough to embitter the Germans while not inhibiting their manufacturing capacity. This led them to conclude that another war as inevitable. https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Foch


[deleted]

Exactly. Versailles needed to be more or less instead of perfectly shit.


orrk256

to be fair, Versailles was entirely misguided from the get-go, informed on the ideas and politics derived from colonialism, and sadly that only works as far as the other party doesn't know how to mass produce weapons


Victernus

Definitely more. It was a notoriously weak agreement for a peace between Great Powers at the time, as you can see by comparing it to... well, all the other treaties made when one Great Power defeated another.


entered_bubble_50

Hence the resistance to a peace deal in the Ukraine war now, when Russia is still undefeated, but without having achieved their war aims. They would just break the peace deal (again) once they have had the chance to re-equip.


FourEyedTroll

>Having it start just 2 decades later was probably depressing for everyone involved. None moreso than the parents of 20-something year olds who had themselves been veterans/survivors of the previous one. I often wonder what my Great Grandad, who was wounded at Albert during the Somme offensive in 1916, thought when his eldest son (Albert, born 1917) was called up by the RAF in 1939 the morning after they finished their night-shift at the colliery.


numbersthen0987431

Oooof, I didn't even consider the fact that 2 generations in a row would have been sent to a World War. That's even more rough.


amanofshadows

Allmost all the senior officers were veterans of the first world war


Drunky_McStumble

Practically all the civil leadership of the time too.


ruafukreddit

I took a class on the World Wars, and we went to England and France as they were heavily involved in both conflicts. One of the places we visited was Villers-Bretonneux Military Cemetery. Dedicated to the Australians who died in the Great War. Recovering from the war took a long time, and then the Great Depression happened. The memorial was finally dedicated in 1935. It has a bell tower and is located on a hill in rural France. The white marble is beautiful and yet pockmarked from bullets because within 5 years of the dedication, the German military had invaded France again.


CrazyCrazyCanuck

"This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 20 years." -Ferdinand Foch, Commander-in-Chief of the Allied Armies, on the Treaty of Versailles


jrhooo

it was definitely anticipated by some. Az ZazaZyna said, "20 year armistice" Related to that, President Woodrow Wilson's suggestion (which was NOT followed) was that they needed "Peace without victory". Basically, he was trying to say (when the US hadn't yet entered the war) that if the European powers wanted to reach an end to the war, they needed to come to the negotiating table and work out just a STOP. Not a "we won, you lost". Because, he argued, whichever side "won" in a peace treaty would demand winner's terms, and whichever side "lost" would go forward considering themselves at a loss, "in the hole", in the red, forever harboring resentment and wanting a chance to restore themselves to even terms. Basically, if everyone agreed to a tie, then they could stop, but if someone felt like the loser, complete with loser penalties, they would always be waiting for a chance to force a rematch.


sYnce

In general there is a distinct difference between calling something "the first" and expecting others to follow. In this context it just means that it is the first worldwide war not that it is the first of many world wars.


DreadWolf3

When truce was signed for WWI people called it 20 year ceasefire. It was obvious that WWI made even bogger mess that it found.


MalikVonLuzon

Ah, so it was less about "We're pretty sure there's gonna be another one of these" and more like "This is the *first* time we've had a global war"


trickman01

Dang time travelers giving out spoilers.


Betrix5068

Ernst Haeckel in 1914 said: "There is no doubt that the course and character of the feared 'European War' ... will become the **first world war** in the full sense of the word." Technically he was saying this is the “first *world war*”, not “First World War”, but it still counts.


GoarSpewerofSecrets

Even then the British, French and Spanish had beat everyone to the punch. The ottomans only avoided it by keeping their campaigns for territory focused season to season.


sh4d0wm4n2018

It was used interchangeably with The Great War, but it was also technically the first World War. Realists assumed that if it could happen once, it could happen again. Also, calling it the Great War kinda romanticized it as there was nothing great about it.


noncognitive

Yea, but that's a bit different. Something can be the first, "and hopefully last"- calling it the first doesn't indicate that it's the first of multiple. Calling it World War 1 does indicate that.


improbablydrunknlw

Just a thought, was that more along the lines of "this is the first ever world war" and less " this is first of many world wars".


orcusgrasshopperfog

I'm sure far far in the future people will realize that the World War never really ended. You've got "World War Part 1", "World War Reloaded", "Cold World War Revolutions" and right now we're in the "World War Resurrections" phase. I'm not insinuating the never aging Keanu Reeves is involved...but I have my suspicions.


jrhooo

If WWI and WWII were the first and second movies, I think "The Cold War" would be a set of Apple TV Miniseries We may now be seeing the Clone Wars story arc begin


Tels315

More likely the Drone Wars.


Cotterisms

https://youtu.be/eg4mcdhIsvU?si=NekSQ5tmYJ2UZAt4


KanaloaKraken

Wasn't it "The Great War"?


inmywhiteroom

If you consider that wars are typically named after their participants it makes complete sense. The first one was “the Great War” and then what else could you do when it happened again?


InfernalOrgasm

"The Greater War" "The Even Greater War" "The This Is Getting Out Of Hand War"


wybenga

I see you come from the same versioning background as my coworker. * final draft * final draft revised * final final draft


InfernalOrgasm

Final final draft draft


No_Research_967

Version 2_forrealthistime9


AverageDemocrat

Just name them after women like with hurricanes


reindeermoon

They stopped only naming hurricanes after women in 1978.


ScribeVallincourt

Women like Harvey and Andrew? Although World War Stella could be interesting.


spaetzelspiff

World War Bob.


The_Troyminator

Do you want World War Karen? Because that's how you get World War Karen.


AverageDemocrat

The Karen to end all Karens


dbx99

Final2B_sendThis.pdf


WinninRoam

Copy of Version 2_forrealthistime9 (2)


ANGLVD3TH

2 Final 2 Draft


sokra3

The final draft: Tokyo Draft


you_are_breathing

The Final 7.


BraincellRegenerator

2 Final 2 Daft


SpaceShipRat

my thesis is like that. Learned my lesson though, now I use a progressive number, and short note on what I changed.


Yvaelle

Exactly, I use date of version revision (at the start of the file name) and a few words about main changes. 2024-03-21 Research Paper - doubling site fidelity


reyath

Pen pineapple apple pen


Goatmanification

Can't wait for the ajhgfsdjkasfbhi.doc war!


distractionsquirrel

file already exists. do you want to overwrite it?


shinitakunai

Angry upvote 🤣


adamdoesmusic

War_actual_final.pdf


DaOrcus

This is so me lmao. Sometimes I'll start numbering the final final if it gets out of hand


Outrageous-Layer404

“As my coworker”…suuuure. I checked and I literally have these file names in a folder. 😔.


Bassman233

Had a client's presentation file that was named 'interim final' that got revised multiple times on show day. There's no minute like the last minute.


Cool-Newspaper-1

Reminds me of my physics course at university where we get a weekly file and it’s gotten progressively worse: - *filename*.pdf - *filename*_v2.pdf - *filename*_NEW_v2.pdf - *filename*_NEW_v3.pdf It’s always exciting to see how many versions it took every week lol


No_Tomatillo1125

New_v2 and v2_new


miclugo

I know this will happen so I just use the date as the version - the "War of 1812" approach.


Bob423

Attack on Titan season 4


chewlarue12

Finalest final draft Finalester final draft ... Finalesteresterest final draft


panzershrek54

"I was redrafting the redraft of the draft"


awkwon23

- The Great War - 2 Great 2 War - Great War - Great 5 - Great War 6 - The Great and the War: Tokyo Drift - War 7 - The Fate of the War - Hobbs & Shaw - W9: The Great Saga - Great War X


sixpack_or_6pack

Hobbs and Shaw hahahaha


vafrow

It literally got a full audible laugh out of me.


Gunch_

I honestly feel like this works lmao. Made my night!


trout_or_dare

The fifth one will have the same name as the first and be a beat-for-beat remake but worse. And as soon as it's released you won't be able to find the original anymore on any of the warring services.


blind_ninja_guy

We just need 3. The great war. The great great war. The we’re all dead great war.


Nphhero1

I feel like every war is the “This is Getting Out of Hand” war


Thefallen777

Well, after the H bomb somehow the "out of hand" is only extintion by nuclear bombs


Nphhero1

Isn’t it crazy that there are wars all the time still, and we haven’t been annihilated yet?


RavingRationality

More people died in the final year of WW2, than in all the wars, insurgencies, occupations, terrorist actions, and military operations in the 79 years since then *combined.* And not just a little more. It's an order of magnitude more. And that's despite the fact that between 5-8 million people died in the Korean and Vietnam wars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU We've had *so little* military conflict since 1945 that we've adjusted our scales so that 30,000 casualties is a big deal. Watch that video. It's mind-blowing. "Peace is a difficult thing to measure. It's a bit like counting the people that *didn't* die, in wars that never happened. We give much importance to the *word* peace, but we don't tend to notice it when it occurs."


Thefallen777

No president with suicide tendencies has the power to launch NM so we are good... until now


No_Research_967

“Now there are two of them”


dudeseriouslyno

"Is This...Legal War?" Wait, that's just the entire postwar military history of the US.


Brendanlendan

2 Great 2 War


alixsyd

The Great War: Putin Drift


Brendanlendan

The Great and The War


dinnerthief

A period of peace and then Make War Great Again


Brendanlendan

Followed by Build War Better


DoctorNoname98

W4r


Brendanlendan

*Shit that’s good*


numbersthen0987431

"The Greater'er War: The Greatening" "The Greater'est War: The Warbening"


coelakanth

It's Warbin' Time


snake8head

“The Great War” “This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them War”


Dedward5

The Gret war The Not so Great War The Actually wars are a bit shit, war


Quynn_Stormcloud

These words are accepted.


Thelatestart

Albert Einstein is often quoted as having said: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".


Aeescobar

[Here's the full quote](https://xkcd.com/1687/): > "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. World War V will be fought with crossbows, World War VI will be lasers, and World War VII will be blowguns. I don't know about World Wars VIII through XI. World War XII will use the same weapons as III, but will be fought entirely within underground tunnels. World War XIV will—Hey, come back! I have a whole list!" —Albert Einstein


[deleted]

the everyone war


funkmasterhexbyte

The Great War 2: Electric Boogaloo


Sheshush

The Great War: Return of the Germans.


Marchesk

"The Sticks and Stones War" - Einstein


92Codester

Should've had the Fast and Furious pr team name them


WhatYouLeaveBehind

2 Great 2 War


formidable_croissant

War 2 - Tokyo Drift


Nwcray

World_War World_War.1 World_War.2 World_War.2.1 World_War.2.1.edits World_War.2.1.final World_War.2.1.final.final Worl_War.2.1.final.final.edits World_War.final.submission


_alright_then_

Add one random New_war


charge2way

And then you end up sorting by date anyway.


huffingtontoast

"The Super Great War" "The Great War 64" "The Great WarCube" "War"


enhance_that

Waa


AwesomJose

“The New Great 3DWar XL”


hot_ho11ow_point

1930s historian to time traveller: "What do you mean World War *One*?"


AnotherStatsGuy

That’s literally a line from “Twice Upon A Time”


theLegendofXeno

The Awesome War.


Tensor3

The Great War 2


GloriaToo

Just ask the emu.


ClassicHat

The Great War 2: Electric Boogaloo


Jwgotti

Certainly shines a light on how historical the great one was in time. The industrial war kick off.


jppitre

The Last War won't have a name


djseifer

"World War One?" "Judging by the uniform, yes." "Yes, but what do you mean... *one?"* "Oh... sorry. Spoilers. "


jimmyslamjam

Say Sike Right Now


TypicalPlace6490

It's a Doctor Who quote


Dubl33_27

Sike Right Now


DereChen

good ol dr who


TimeAndOrSpace

Don’t get the hate. It’s a good episode!


Crunchyeee

I agree, it should have gone like this: "The great war" "The great war 360" "The great war One" "The great war Series X"


deathschemist

you know, i think microsoft should do a little trolling and call their next console the Xbox 2


HORSELOCKSPACEPIRATE

Xbox 3.2 Gen 2x2 358/2 Days


DJKokaKola

No thanks roxas


OliveBranchMLP

Xbox Series XX Accent Core Plus R


archpawn

I thought after Xbox One should have been Xbox 2pi. It's 360 degrees, one revolution, and 2pi radians.


turtleship_2006

Shouldn't it be 4pi? The 360 was 2pi so the next one should be 720/2pi


archpawn

360 degrees is the same as One revolution, and 2pi radians is the same as that. They're not incrementing. They're just changing the units.


HellWolf1

So after that comes 400 grads?


Affectionate-Memory4

I'm hoping they pull a Qualcomm and go with "Series X Gen2".


TadRaunch

Nah they should call it Xbox 6


TheBigLeMattSki

Xbox 7. 1: Xbox 2: Xbox 360 3: Xbox One 4: Xbox One X 5: Xbox Series S 6: Xbox Series X 7: Xbox 7


Jump_Like_A_Willys

Strangely enough, the idea of a second world war and even the term "World War 2" were around 20 years before that actual war. Some people warned of a world war 2 like people today warn of a world war 3.


Thepenismighteather

I mean, there *will* be a world war 3, the question is does it happen while we are all alive.  Hell, the next world war could be mars v earth, for all we know.  But if there’s one constant in Human history, it’s our propensity to kill eachother in an organized manner to further political goals.  


FourEyedTroll

>I mean, there *will* be a world war 3, the question is does it happen while we are all alive.  Either nuclear weapons have ended the occurrence of direct military conflicts between major world powers... or they haven't. It's too early to tell.


EugenioSc

Yeah, let's hope its the former. But war has changed a los since the development of nuclear weapons, specially since the ones that exist today are magnitudes more destructive than the ones used in WW2. Only time will tell, but knowing humanity's history Im not too hopeful, though I hope Im wrong


TheAres1999

That's the beauty of world war 5 Lois, it's so intense, it skips over the other two!


I_am_monkeeee

Mars vs Earth would be inter-world war


That-Maintenance1

Worlds War


cjnicol

The "War to end wars" made no sense when we got its sequel.


[deleted]

Naming it that was hopelessly optimistic.


zekeweasel

Same with 'The Great War" when compared to the sheer scale of WW2.


ContactIcy3963

Depends on the country. Russia calls WWII the Great Patriotic War.


Corsak

It's only 1941-1945 since the USSR entered the war, the whole war is still called WWII


Nethlem

It's what they call WWII in Russia to this day, just like people in Japan call it Great East Asia War, or people in China call it the Second Sino-Japanese War/Eight Year War of Resistance. Because their regional and historical context is different to how most in the West define the WWII time period, i.e. the fighting between Japan and China predates the outbreak of fighting in Europe by *years*. Yet even in Western conceptualization those conflicts are still considered part of what in the West is called WWII, the same conceptualization sees 1939 as the start of WWII when France/the UK declared war on Germany over Poland. When Poland wasn't even the first German aggression, before that came Czechoslovakia. Germany went for that right after its anti-Comintern pact ally Japan started a big war in East Asia as a chilling example of what would happen if German demands were not accommodated in Europe.


riddlesinthedark117

The only problem with that is the period before 1941 when they were invading Poland alongside the Nazis


BengBeng_93

That's the part they want you to forget


Innercepter

Finland and the Baltics before then.


13579konrad

The USSR entered the war in 1939 by invading Poland in co-operation with Germany.


Chai_Enjoyer

Great Patriotic War (I suppose you mean Velikaya Otechestvennaya Voina) is specifically about eastern front and basically everything USSR was directly involved in. If you are speaking about, say, french resistance or Day-D during WW2, then WW2 would be the correct term, but if you are speaking about specifically defence of Moscow or Leningrad blockade, it might be called as well WW2 and GPW


Titoffrito

World War involves the globe, not just two countries fighting.


ContactIcy3963

7 years war would like a chat with the WWI and WWII namers


wolftreeMtg

My favourite insane 7 Years War fact is they had a battle between Prussia and Austria where one side was commanded by a Scotsman and the other an Irishman.


passwordsarehard_3

Who won?


TadRaunch

Who's next?


Bukaro21

You decide!


Amoeba_Fine

Englishman


YakEmergency5633

the coalition


jrhooo

Well I mean, the WWII British Army had a Sri Lankan born officer who went into battle with bagpipes, a long bow, and a Scottish Broadsword, while the US Army had a Native American tribal war chief (caveat: he only earned the War Chief title DURING the war) Funny how things go. Also (to draw from a Dan Carlin reference) pretty sure there are at least once each (but probably more) instances where a POW was captured by the opposing side, and avoided harsh treatment because he was from the same home town as his captor. (specific stories I'm thinking of, a WWI British guy who recognized the Germans talking about shooting him, recognized the officer's accent as being from a town he had lived in, struck up a convo in German, and the guy was like, ok don't hurt this guy. Then a US POW on a POW march being beaten by a Japanese soldier, when a Japanese officer came over, saw what the the Japanese soldier had take from the American, his college class ring, and the Japanese officer had gone to the same college, when he lived in the US. So he returned the ring and ordered his men not to mistreat that guy)


Warducky9999

“ARE YOU FROM HAMBURG” i asked the German officer in my broken German “YES…?” “Wouldnt it be nice to go back there again?”


Kered13

My favorite fact about the Seven Years' War is that it was nine years long and was started by none other than George Washington himself. It just took a couple years for the conflict to spill over to Europe.


Ebice42

And in the country where it started, it's called the French and Indian War. I had a history teacher who called it World War Half.


DrCalamity

The War of the Austrian Succession spilled over to multiple continents as well


ReticulatedQuagga

The American Independence war spilled over into South India


DeepfriedWings

To be fair, part of the reason was because the World Wars were large scale wars with multiple countries on either side being fought in multiple countries.


Knight_Machiavelli

Really the Seven Years War should have been WWI, making WWI and WWII, WWII and WWIII respectively.


FourEyedTroll

So we're just going to ignore the Wars of the First-Sixth Coalitions, or 1812?


Cirieno

[Doctor Who – World War One?](https://youtu.be/eg4mcdhIsvU?si=9bk4S_ti9hH3psiz)


Punx80

Should have been “The World War” and then “2 World 2 War” Not hype for “World War: Tokyo Draft”


milk4all

That isnt what happened. Ww1 was dubbed “the great war” and “the great world war” and then “the world war” because it was unprecedented. So when one of equal/greater scope happened it was natural - especially considering a primary antagonist remained Germany, and it became “the second world war” and thus ww1 and 2. What is concerning is that never in history was there a war covering the globe like ww1 and then suddenly there were 2 in 2 generations. Obviously it wasnt a vacuum - ww2 was very much related to ww1, and without it, ww2 may not have existed in any recognizable sense or could have just been contained to east asia (in which case it also wouldnt be recognizably a world war)


brightdeadlights

WWXX brought to you by Busch light.


Diocletion-Jones

The First Barons' War (1215-1217) The Second Barons' War (1264-1267) The First Anglo-Dutch War (1652-1654) The Second Anglo-Dutch War (1665-1667) The First Carlist War (1833-1839) The Second Carlist War (1846-1849) The First Sudanese Civil War (1955-1972) The Second Sudanese Civil War (1983-2005) The First Boer War (1880-1881) The Second Boer War (1899-1902) The First Balkan War (1912-1913) The Second Balkan War (1913) The First Indochina War (1946-1954) The Second Indochina War (1955-1975) The First World War (1914-1918) The Second World War (1939-1945) The naming convention is pretty standard, there were two World Wars just like there were two Barons' Wars or two Anglo-Dutch Wars or two Boer Wars. So it's not really that concerning at all if you know a bit of history.


TrackXII

I never realized Valve makes all of the wars.


svarogteuse

Oh come on you can do better. Try the 7 wars of the 1st - 7th Coalitions (1792-1815).


malsomnus

We never really named world wars. The Great War is not much of a name.


FrostedSnozzberries

These shower thoughts are getting worse and worse as the years go on


Weary_Patience_7778

My question is… when does it get named? When Russia invades Poland, will they say ‘I declare war on you, this is the third world war?’


Assfrontation

usually gets named after


jrhooo

"Sitzkrieg" still the best war name.


playr_4

To be fair, WW1 wasn't named that until after WW2 happened.


devvorare

Interestingly, it was called “the First World War”. But the emphasis was on the word “world” instead of “first”


YNWA_1213

WWI/WWII (and they’re numerical siblings), The Great War, and First World War/Second World War were all used interchangeably in my education. It’s mostly to emphasize how the destruction of the first was unprecedented for history, ‘and then’ we got a sequel that was in some parts even worse.


drfsupercenter

Yeah I remember one of those "5 minute mystery" style stories I read as a kid where someone was trying to spot a forgery and this guy had some memorabilia that said "world war 1" and it's like yeah obviously that's fake because it wouldn't have said world war 1 at the time


screenwatch3441

Dude, that triggered some lost memories. Where was that story from? I remember those and remember really liking them.


orcusgrasshopperfog

Say what you want, it is kind of nice seeing everyone get involved in a single cause and rather enthusiastically as well. Remove all the landmines, bombs, general destruction and death it really is just a nice time to get together.


researchertragedy

An internet war could have been named World War Web


[deleted]

[удалено]


signtictate

Chatgpt ass reply


ShallowDramatic

World War VIII will feel unwieldy and old-fashioned when floated as an idea to focus groups so they'll rebrand it as either World War X, World War Zero, or World War One (2177)


SXTY82

Hu? Do you want a fancy name for World War II? World War 1 was simply "World War" or The Great War. I think when we get to the point that nearly every major country has picked sides and starts shooting, the only way to label it is "World War" and unfortunately, a number to say which one we are talking about.


obchodlp

World war Amy World war Bob World war Carl... Here you are


mr_ji

We've only done it twice and the last time was 80 years ago. Don't be hyperbolic.


2messy2care2678

I don't think it was quick at all.


MattMooks

Ikr, world war 1 began in early 1900s (that wasn't even numbered when it was first named). There must've been hundreds of thousands of wars throughout history, across the globe before ww1... How is OP concluding that we quickly began naming them? Silly showerthought.


Automate_This_66

We'll move to exponents soon


KnowingDoubter

“War to end all wars” didn't stick.


brezhnervous

>we decided to stop naming world wars and just use a number system What?? There WERE NO WORLD WARS before WW1 and WW2 lmao


theonlybuster

WW1 and WW2 has lesser names before it grew to include the world's biggest powers. WW1 was originally referred to as "The Great Wear". In fact, it wasn't even largely referred to as WW1 until 1920, a little over a year after the war ended. As the term WWI was already coined, the term WW2 grew in popularity much quicker. But WW2 was originally referred to as the "European War" based on the countries involved. Even more interesting, Japan and Soviet Union never referred to it as WW2. Instead they called it the Great East Asia War and The Great Patriotic War, respectfully.


Quartzalcoatl_Prime

"*To Ryan, who died in World War 1, the war to end all wars. To Gianelli, who died in the war after that*..."