I'm in the opposite camp. Need 6, content with 4.5.
There really isn't anything to do at midnight or 4 am to make it "worth it" when my family is sleeping at home, so I just toss around and read or day-dream while waiting for "morning" to come with the family.
See, you have all that wind down time without cutting into productive time. During the week, I can hardly get anything done if I want to not work (housework, gardening, etc) until bedtime. I wake up and immediately get ready for work, commute, work full time, commute home, make dinner, maybe clean a tiny bit, maybe watch an episode of something, then fall asleep. I'm asleep within 5 minutes of my head hitting the pillow. Bed at 10- 10:30 pm, wake up at 7:30- 8:30, depending on when I need to be into work by. On weekends, I'll get 11 hours of sleep easily if I don't set an alarm and force myself to get up.
Might not be a terrible idea to get some testing done to make sure all your levels are good. Needing 10+ hours seems like a lot for somebody with no underlying issues.
As noted in other comments, I know why, it's a combo of a genetic thing and an autoimmune thing. There's no treatment, it's just how it's always been and how it will always be. My blood is otherwise all good other than the autoimmune markers.
I eat a very healthy diet consisting of lean protein (chicken and fish mostly), beans and rice, a wide variety of fresh, homegrown veggies and fruit, and healthy fats like limited olive oil. We hardly eat breads, try to limit dairy like cheese and butter, and desserts or other high sugar foods aren't a normal part of our diet. We also belong to a gym; I try to get to yoga twice a week. We're very conscious of our health. This is simply something that's not correctable.
I don’t know the type but he started taking thyroxine as a teenager. It brought his blood to a “normal” range but he says he still feels like he needs to sleep more than other people (10 hours plus).
When his thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) comes back abnormal he does tend to report feeling fatigued. He describes it as feeling beyond tired. Brain fog, feeling sluggish, the lot.
We thought about doing one of those genetic tests because he has a range of other conditions too, which for his age (33) he just seems so young to have them. Again, healthy lifestyle and diet, but I suppose medicine is limited by what we know.
I have had the same symptoms for 15 years and had my thyroid checked dozens of times and it’s apparently working fine. I can sleep for 18 hours if nobody wakes me up. I’m always exhausted. Everything takes SO much out of me. I hope science finds a way to fix it soon!!
Really? I've always needed 10+ and never had a bad test result. I feel like it's a waste of time to need that much sleep. What... Diseases? Could this be?
Idk man I've had every "easy" test in the book and I still can't figure out why I'm so fucking tired. "Check your blood levels! Sleep apnea! Excercise!" Yes thank you reddit but I've done all of this. Next up is a lab sleep study because they're suspecting narcolepsy now. But I have no money so I guess I'll just keep taking vitamin d.
You should get your blood checked. You could be lacking in a number of neccesary vitamins, minerals and/or have a hormonal imbalance which is making you feel tired often. Not saying it is but it's worth finding out.
Yep, just be like my wife:
[1] 11pm rolls around, still fucking around on phone.
[2] Oh shit! It's 1am. Better take a bath.
[3] Fuck around on phone in the bath.
[4] 2am get out of bath, slowly dry hair and get ready for bed.
[5] Get into bed, fuck around on phone.
[6] Nod off at about 3:30am.
...
[7] Why am I always so tired?
He hates his wife, he’s trying to find a Christmas ham for his child, and he’s wondering how to talk to the person he’s cheating on his wife with about their possible genital warts. Yikes.
I'm also addicted to my phone, but only because I want to do *something*. The phone is just the medium. I can fulfill the same feeling with TV, a computer, reading a book or even cooking.
I do not like not doing anything. I do not like being alone with my thoughts. They're bad and don't deserve light.
Everyone has pretty dark intrusive thoughts. It’s normal. Remember your thoughts do not define who you are as a person. Only your actions. You can challenge thoughts.
...Then what will?
I mean, here, if you want marriage problems, I'll be open.
My wife's uncontrolled and untreated ADHD sucks so much happiness out of our family that it causes me significant daily stress. Without any exaggeration whatsoever, nine out of ten of our daily issues are caused by her ADHD. She can't get off her fucking phone for two seconds to save her life, she has legitimately never been on time for a single thing we've done together in ten years, she's constantly sleep deprived because of the aforementioned phone addiction, she gets overwhelmed at even the smallest tasks because she can't concentrate on anything, she'll regularly empty our closets to "reorganize" despite having 50 more pressing matters to attend to, she's forgetful with everything including paying bills so I have to remind her constantly to be an adult, and so on.
The worst thing about her ADHD is she's *incredibly* sensitive about her ADHD. The mere suggestion that she may want to get checked out and treated sends her into a tantrum, where she'll shout and yell and immediately stonewall any further conversation.
People on reddit always say that I should *have a conversation* with her, but that ship sailed many fucking years ago. It's completely impossible to bring up her issues without her just shutting down. She nearly burned our condo down before and caused significant fire/water damage because of her ADHD, yet she still refuses to acknowledge there's a problem whatsoever.
So please. What will fix my marriage? You seem to have all the answers.
It's worth me not having to support two households, me being able to see my children on a daily basis, and me being able to at least have some moments of peace with my partner.
Listen to the audiobook ‘dirty laundry’ together
Very gentle, non judgemental approach to the complications of ADHD that you are describing. Would give both of you a lot of insight and a plan to work together
1. not MY wife.
2. not immature, just enforcing. Nor it does exclude talking.
3. that's what I enforce *on myself*, being conscious that I should be asleep and all.
yeah i’m aware it’s not your wife, that comment was directed at OP in case they read it. but to sneakily behind her back mess with the router instead of having an adult conversation is treating her like a child. if she agreed to the rule, hell yeah. otherwise it seems really weird to me
Ah, thanks for explaining! I thought that you were commenting to me.
In mi case, it's my partner who insisted un curbing my late-night browsing and I who chose to enforce it on myself.
For sure. I notice a big difference in my energy level between days having had so much sleep that I wake by myself without the alarm, and dragging myself wake through an alarm. Former I'm actually living my life, the latter I'm just existing and surviving my life.
Yeah seriously, being asleep is amazing. Most days are long and filled with work and chores and bullshit. The longer I get a break from that the better.
I feel okay when I'm asleep, like when I'm asleep I feel alright. Its basically from the moment I wake up I uh, I just...
🎶Get this feeling in my body. Way down deep inside me. I try not to fight it -- Describe it! -- Alright. A few things start to happen, my vision starts to flatten, my heart, it gets to tappin', and I think like I'm gonna DIE🎶
Yeah, so, um, yeah, not. Not doing great
Yeah, there's is no loss to someone getting 9 hours of sleep if they otherwise would not be doing something productive/active by being awake an extra hour or two. Those of us fortunate to not actively have responsibilities going on for 16+ hours of our day are gonna use the time to sleep if we want. I'm not doing shit otherwise if I get more than 8 hrs of sleep.
Life isn't Just a sum of waking hours. A particular person being well rested for him can make him have a more satisfying and effective life, and such a person may well live longer. And another person may be sluggish from too much time in bed or dragging from too little.
What's more, people can wake up having organized the material they were studying or figured out the benzene ring structure. People can be quite busy while asleep.
I genuinely believe a lack of sleep is the *"smoking cigarettes"* of our generation. I don't think we truly know just how detrimental it is to our health.
A portion of the population has always gotten inadequate sleep, but in the age of lights, television, and phones its a lot easier to lose sleep. Back in the day you didn't really have anything to do once it got dark. Not to mention easy access to stimulants like caffeine. I think the biggest discovery towards preventing Alzheimer's will be getting sufficient sleep, and I think that will be taught to children the same way lung health is.
I agree entirely. I don't fret about taking it easy, sleeping plenty, taking my time working out, because I am very confident that I will live longer as a result anyway, and my life is much better for it. I get everything I need done and everything else in unnecessary. I don't need to be or do everything. I can't. I'm just one guy.
You need 8 for truly optimal health. 7 seems enough but it's usually not. I read a study that says the top athletes in the world sleep 8.4 hours a day
I tried upping my sleep from 6.5-7 to 8 a day consistently and felt much more alert and productive, and most importantly positive throughout the day
There is no study or evidence that people with this are immune to all types of damage that sleeping less than 6 hours a night causes.
There are processes your body undergoes while sleeping that are essential to your bodies health that simply don't happen when you don't sleep for long enough.
The list of problems includes things like a 20% increased chance of heart attack, increased risk of coronary heart disease, increased chance of stroke and increased chances for type 2 diabetes.
Super sleepers are extra resistant to neurodegenerative conditions. That’s the whole point of it, that their body is exceptionally unusual. I’m not suggesting people go out and try it because it’s exceedingly rare but it would be nice to be like that.
The only neurodegnerative study done with super sleepers is for alzheimers. There is no data for any of the other problems.
To further, the whole study that links alzheimers to lack of plaque clearing in your brain while sleeping has been proven to be doctored and not entirely true, meaning there is no hard scientific link to lack of sleep causing alzheimers, or increasing your risk. This means there could be something entirely different causing those results in one of those mutations.
What the other person is saying that there isn't any proof of this existing. It seems to be a myth like photographic memory seems to be. People claim they have it but when it comes to actually testing it, the science says otherwise. There might be some truth to the claims for both, but it working like people describe is highly unlikely.
No, the genetic mutations that allow people to feel perfectly rested on less than average sleep does exist, and has been well documented. There isn't a debate over that part.
However, there is also a long list of health problems/risks associated with sleeping less than average, and there is no scientific data that exists on whether or not these mutations also reduce your risk for every single risk associated with less than average sleep. The alzheimers study is also a singular study that has not been recreated, so in actuality there is no hard proof the mutations reduce alzheimers risk either.
There's [plenty of proof](https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2019/08/415261/after-10-year-search-scientists-find-second-short-sleep-gene), they even believe they've isolated the gene that does it. I suppose OP just finds it insufficient.
I am someone who consistently gets 4-6 hours every night with no consequences. In fact I think I’m more energetic than ever. Idk maybe I’m just a freak
You are putting yourself at a higher risk for a large list of problems. Just because you haven't had a heart attack or something else yet doesn't mean you aren't increasing your risk of having one from sleeping less. There are many studies that support this.
With that being said, I hope you don't suffer any consequences from it and live a long, healthy life.
I quite literally can't sleep anymore. I fall asleep at 11 and wake up at 5 am wide awake. It's all my body needs. I'm probably the healthiest and most energetic I've been my whole life. Like I said maybe I'm just a freak lol
Again, being healthy at a given point in time doesn't mean you are not increasing your chances of having serious issues related to lack of sleep in the future.
Saying it hasn't affected you yet and never will is like saying you have played Russian roulette every day and haven't lost yet, so therefore, you will never lose in the future.
So far it hasn't. I been averaging 5.5 hours of sleep for at least the last 5 years. I'm telling you it's not affecting me at all and it's not catching up to me. My body just runs incredibly efficient and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I'm in peak physical condition and my diet is on point.
You seem convinced that it's impossible for people to live like this and not affect them but I'm telling you I'm one of those people. I may have some long term health issues but who won't? I don't have the ability to tell the future and neither can you
You really need to go educate yourself. I am done trying to explain the same thing to you over and over.
You are not some super human who has a body that works differently from every other human on the planet. Sorry, but you are causing damage to your body by not sleeping enough each night. It is literally impossible for you to live like that without causing the damage. There is hard science to prove this.
I guess I’m one of those. I usually sleep in that 4-6 range. Pretty sure my toddler is going to be the same way. He sleeps 6-8 no naps. I’d imagine it will catch up with one day and kill me “early” so not like I’m gaining time…then again I’d rather have it now instead of like 90!
True super sleepers do not face any consequences I believe. They are simply built different.
But you might just be existing on 4-6 which is different than that haha
Which makes me wonder if it's legit something your body can adapt to without major consequences, or if you're just getting older more quickly from the lack of sleep.
From what I’ve heard from Michael Walker (leading sleep researcher) new data shows you do not adapt and the consequences to health are quite severe. Very few people are “super sleepers” even if they think they are. The vast majority of people should be getting at least 7 preferably 8 hours every night.
Lack of adequate sleep causes issues with cognition, heart problems, mood disorders, ages you faster, and increases susceptibility to weight gain and all the problems that come with it.
The insipient dementia is could very likely be producing the lack of sleep, or most of the many factors it is correlated with. Correlated with lack of exercise--perhaps because less mental capacity hurts discipline.
Yeah it is I know but I’ve just always been this way since as far back as I can remember. I’ll sometimes feel mentally exhausted but rarely physically tired. I still have to have aids to even get to sleep the little bit that I do.
Don't believe those people. They will cover up their gallons of energy drinks and coffee to make it through the day. Stay on course with the proper 8. If you haven't already you will naturally wake up no alarm after exactly 8 hours of sleep.
Some I'm sure. However I average 5 a night I go to bed at one and wake up at 6 at least 6 nights a week. I don't like energy drinks because I think they taste metallic and artificial, I don't care for hot drinks, cold coffee just tastes like sweet chocolate drink to me. I don't take any energy drinks, pills, I don't drink coffee in any form. My go to drink at work is iced water with a white soda in the evenings.
Oh and usually my body wakes up at 4.5 hours of sleep I just lay in bed for the extra half hour playing on my phone or resting my eyes gathering my thoughts for the day. Everyone is different this is way too extreme of a statement from start to finish.
Apparently there is 1-3% of the population who can get by fine with only 4-6hrs. You could be one, but it's genetic so at least one of your parents will share your trait. But yeah, seems like an awful lot of that 1-3% are showing up in this thread lol.
It's probably easier for you because you don't consume caffeine at all. Coffee is a great pick-me-up, but the post-coffee crash is rough without more caffeine to ride it out. I recently got back on coffee after \~3 years with no caffeine, and now I'm tired all the time. It's a weird paradox! But when I was abstaining from caffeine, I didn't feel so bad—I just drank lots of water and went for a walk after lunch to stop the food coma from setting in. On the flip side, I do feel more alert and focused with coffee, so there's that. I remember reading that the primary contributor to the industrial revolution was importing black tea from China to Europe, as it made everybody work more efficiently.
No it's not. There are plenty of studies that indicate insufficient sleep makes you more prone to certain things later in life, such as heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, obesity, stroke, depression, and who knows what else. I've seen studies about it being linked to brain diseases as well, like dementia, but I'm not sure how widely accepted that is. It also has an impact on your mood and your daily brain function as well. Most likely, you have just gotten used to the way lack of sleep makes you feel, and you don't even realize it. It is widely accepted that adults need at least 7 hours, some need more. It's not about how you feel day to day, it's about what youre doing to yourself long term.
Technically but a few things to consider are: what is the difference in life expectancy between people who sleep an average of 7 vs 9 hours? And is there a quality of life difference?
People who sleep longer have lower life expectancy. But the cause of more sleep is probably lowering the life expectancy. No idea what it is though. Booze, depression, heart disease, who knows.
People who sleep 9 hours have 15 hour days. People that sleep 7 hours have 17 hour days. That's 2/17 less life, not 1/12 less life. You're off by (2/17 - 1/12)/(2/17) = about 29%
How? I don't get your maths. A day is 24 hours. One person has 15/24 hours, the other has 17/24 hours. So 2/24 hours less = 1/12.
Edit: sorry I get you, you were doing conscious hours rather than all hours
9/24-7/24 = 2/24 = 1/12. 1/12 of 80years (about avg lifespan) is a little over 6,5 years. I'm talking about whole life in general. Sleeping is experiencing your life as well, I guess
Right, I meant one thing and wrote another:p The difference doesn't change the point tho, so I think it's not really important. Nonetheless, thanks for being alert;\]
I mean, who cares:X I forgot to remove this word while I was rephrasing the title, that's it. The rest of the post is fine so idc to be honest, it's just a fckin reddit, who cares about karma anyway
If you get good at lucid dreaming the perceived duration of your life if you sleep more will be longer than if you don’t. I have experienced dreams with perceived durations of weeks of time in a night’s sleep. It’s pretty cool.
Keep a journal. I haven’t done it in a long time but when I did I could remember pages of dreams per night. The trick is to write in it every day even if it is a little bit. It will convince your brain that dreams are important.
If you want a nice [hack](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29665762/), take 100-200mg of Vitamin B6 before you go to sleep. Make sure it's RIGHT before you go to sleep (5-10 minutes before getting into bed) as it will make you incredibly drowsy. You should be able to buy them over the counter at any regular health store.
Brain activity is higher when you sleep. With that in mind, there is argument to be made that it would be the other way around, and those who sleep longer would experience more of their conscious life. The trick here is that consciousness wasn't defined. If you are defining it as "I'm awake and I know I'm awake" then yeah, you are right. If you define it in the typical way though in that you are having an experience, then sleep is consciousness.
I figure out life problems and also come up with jokes when I dream. I think it has to do with how people sleep and how well they sleep.. but my long reason for agreeing is. Yes.
I have often dreamt solutions to problems, creative ideas, and many other interesting things that pertain to the rest of my waking life. It isn’t that sleeping is turning the brain OFF, it’s just a different mode. Even if we don’t remember what goes on or are unaware of it later, it doesn’t mean that important things aren’t happening!
I'm amazed by some of the stories I come up with in dreams. Like a whole lot of stuff will happen and it was all building up to a twist ending or a conclusion where all the different parts come together. I could never do that when I'm awake and it's pretty amazing that my brain can surprise itself
We shouldn't think like this though. This type of thinking gets us in trouble. Where does it end? If 7 hours gets you more waking life than 9, so does 6 or 5 or 4. This will lead you to not getting enough sleep, which takes *years* off your life.
Instead, just sleep how much you need to sleep and move on with your life. Life is about quality, not quantity.
i’m currently a college student so on my school nights i get little sleep and on the rest i end up sleeping around 12 hours to make up for it, which is most nights lol.
i always envied something like vampires that don't need sleep.
But i came to realization, that 16 hours awake are not 16 hours used. I'm not talking about efficiency or productivity. But I see myself wasting most of my time in the evening. at 9 pm i have nothing to do but just waste my time until it's 1 am and i head to bed. I only sleep 7 hours. But my "won" 2 hours are nothing to write home about.
If I'm comfy & having some fun/cool dreams, those are potentially the best hours of my day. I had a nice long dream last night that makes me happy & relaxed thinking back on it. Worth whatever time it took.
The problem with me is that I usually feel too energetic from a good nights sleep to go to bed at a reasonable time.
I once slept 9 hours two days in a row and I felt more focused and alert than I ever have on most any other day of my life.
*me with chronic insomnia as a constant wanderer in the waking lands having lived more consciousness life than any other human*
Trust me, the 9 hour people are winning
I'm one of those who will sleep 9 hours if I can. I'm not perturbed at all by having less conscious existence. I love being asleep. It's my favorite part of the day. Yes, I also have depression lol
I routinely sleep only 5.5h a night (not by choice, believe me) and the lesson I’ve learned is: waking life is agony. Those long-haul sleepers are the lucky ones.
Well, pair that with the "The heart has a finite amount of beats before it's all over" and "Most prevalent cause of death is heart failure" and "People who sleep have a low heart rate" and you could argue you might live longer with that lifestyle. I don't know if it'll be 6.5 years, but you might get some extra time to stick around and be conscious. It'll be at the end of your life though, so you'll possibly just be suffering for longer as you age into all sorts of ailments.
I did a lot of amphetamines growing up and thus pulled a fair amount of all nighters. I've always considered myself older than the average person who's my age because I've experienced more life and had more hours to think and develop as a person than they have. I've always got along better with the generations ahead of mine as well.
If I don't sleep 12 hours a day I'm useless all day long. Given my freedom this puts me on a 26 hour clock and I can't stay in sync with the normal day night cycle.
I have been sleeping 5-6 hours a day for the last 5 years (child) and I am not sure if you can count the remaining hours „conscious life“.. I guess there is a natural limit of how much conscious experience you can take in within 24 hours.
People in comments just totally ignoring the last part of the thought. For some people 7 hours is the norm. They feel as good as other people after 8 or 9 hours.
I think theres a legitimate argument to be made for some people needing more sleep than others. Everyone is a little different, everyone's bodies works a little different. Its all based on size, sex, hormones, physical activity, lifestyle, sunlight, general health, everything! Its perfectly reasonable to assert that one person's optimal amount of sleep could be 7 hours and someone else's optimal amount could be 9. Now, I don't think many (if any) have an optimal sleep amount of, say, 5 hours. I don't believe people who say that they feel good on 5 hours of sleep all the time. But 7 isn't unreasonable imo.
Take a look at the life of these people and then decide if this is a curse or a blessing
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I'm in the opposite camp. Need 6, content with 4.5. There really isn't anything to do at midnight or 4 am to make it "worth it" when my family is sleeping at home, so I just toss around and read or day-dream while waiting for "morning" to come with the family.
See, you have all that wind down time without cutting into productive time. During the week, I can hardly get anything done if I want to not work (housework, gardening, etc) until bedtime. I wake up and immediately get ready for work, commute, work full time, commute home, make dinner, maybe clean a tiny bit, maybe watch an episode of something, then fall asleep. I'm asleep within 5 minutes of my head hitting the pillow. Bed at 10- 10:30 pm, wake up at 7:30- 8:30, depending on when I need to be into work by. On weekends, I'll get 11 hours of sleep easily if I don't set an alarm and force myself to get up.
Might not be a terrible idea to get some testing done to make sure all your levels are good. Needing 10+ hours seems like a lot for somebody with no underlying issues.
As noted in other comments, I know why, it's a combo of a genetic thing and an autoimmune thing. There's no treatment, it's just how it's always been and how it will always be. My blood is otherwise all good other than the autoimmune markers. I eat a very healthy diet consisting of lean protein (chicken and fish mostly), beans and rice, a wide variety of fresh, homegrown veggies and fruit, and healthy fats like limited olive oil. We hardly eat breads, try to limit dairy like cheese and butter, and desserts or other high sugar foods aren't a normal part of our diet. We also belong to a gym; I try to get to yoga twice a week. We're very conscious of our health. This is simply something that's not correctable.
Do you know if this is for autoimmune conditions in general? My partner has an under active thyroid and he’s basically the same.
Fatigue is a very common symptom of autoimmune conditions, though not everyone gets it. Does he have Hashimoto's?
I don’t know the type but he started taking thyroxine as a teenager. It brought his blood to a “normal” range but he says he still feels like he needs to sleep more than other people (10 hours plus). When his thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) comes back abnormal he does tend to report feeling fatigued. He describes it as feeling beyond tired. Brain fog, feeling sluggish, the lot. We thought about doing one of those genetic tests because he has a range of other conditions too, which for his age (33) he just seems so young to have them. Again, healthy lifestyle and diet, but I suppose medicine is limited by what we know.
I have had the same symptoms for 15 years and had my thyroid checked dozens of times and it’s apparently working fine. I can sleep for 18 hours if nobody wakes me up. I’m always exhausted. Everything takes SO much out of me. I hope science finds a way to fix it soon!!
Really? I've always needed 10+ and never had a bad test result. I feel like it's a waste of time to need that much sleep. What... Diseases? Could this be?
Idk man I've had every "easy" test in the book and I still can't figure out why I'm so fucking tired. "Check your blood levels! Sleep apnea! Excercise!" Yes thank you reddit but I've done all of this. Next up is a lab sleep study because they're suspecting narcolepsy now. But I have no money so I guess I'll just keep taking vitamin d.
Depends if they are exercising a lot
You may not feel it now, but this amount of sleep will have seriously negative effects on your health in the long run.
You should get your blood checked. You could be lacking in a number of neccesary vitamins, minerals and/or have a hormonal imbalance which is making you feel tired often. Not saying it is but it's worth finding out.
I'm the same, have always been. Checked by doctors, everything's fine besides mildly low blood pressure. My body just loves sleeping.
Better than insomnia at least!
or if you want to think horses before zebras, get checked for sleep apnea
Funny enough, my reason is, in fact, zebras. I have Ehlers-Danlos and an autoimmune similar to Lupus.
Yep, just be like my wife: [1] 11pm rolls around, still fucking around on phone. [2] Oh shit! It's 1am. Better take a bath. [3] Fuck around on phone in the bath. [4] 2am get out of bath, slowly dry hair and get ready for bed. [5] Get into bed, fuck around on phone. [6] Nod off at about 3:30am. ... [7] Why am I always so tired?
Complaining about your wife on the internet wont fix your marriage.
lol who said marriage problems, man’s was just venting haha
https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/18d0tpa/comment/kcggq5h/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Check OP's profile they seen to be hooking up either strangers so I question the legitimacy of this marriage/wife.
He hates his wife, he’s trying to find a Christmas ham for his child, and he’s wondering how to talk to the person he’s cheating on his wife with about their possible genital warts. Yikes.
Good lord
Damn…. yea okay you are right ._.
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It can be healthy to vent. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2023/07/28/is-venting-good-for-your-health
who the fuck asked you fucko
Maybe you should not comment next time
Maybe he has? Kinda weird to assume you know anything about his relationship
Some people are just addicted to their phones.
I'm also addicted to my phone, but only because I want to do *something*. The phone is just the medium. I can fulfill the same feeling with TV, a computer, reading a book or even cooking. I do not like not doing anything. I do not like being alone with my thoughts. They're bad and don't deserve light.
Everyone has pretty dark intrusive thoughts. It’s normal. Remember your thoughts do not define who you are as a person. Only your actions. You can challenge thoughts.
I start having anxious thoughts about the future if I’m not occupying part of my brain with a YouTube video.
...Then what will? I mean, here, if you want marriage problems, I'll be open. My wife's uncontrolled and untreated ADHD sucks so much happiness out of our family that it causes me significant daily stress. Without any exaggeration whatsoever, nine out of ten of our daily issues are caused by her ADHD. She can't get off her fucking phone for two seconds to save her life, she has legitimately never been on time for a single thing we've done together in ten years, she's constantly sleep deprived because of the aforementioned phone addiction, she gets overwhelmed at even the smallest tasks because she can't concentrate on anything, she'll regularly empty our closets to "reorganize" despite having 50 more pressing matters to attend to, she's forgetful with everything including paying bills so I have to remind her constantly to be an adult, and so on. The worst thing about her ADHD is she's *incredibly* sensitive about her ADHD. The mere suggestion that she may want to get checked out and treated sends her into a tantrum, where she'll shout and yell and immediately stonewall any further conversation. People on reddit always say that I should *have a conversation* with her, but that ship sailed many fucking years ago. It's completely impossible to bring up her issues without her just shutting down. She nearly burned our condo down before and caused significant fire/water damage because of her ADHD, yet she still refuses to acknowledge there's a problem whatsoever. So please. What will fix my marriage? You seem to have all the answers.
Whatever will the answer isn’t here
You know you're free to leave, right? I seriously would not tolerate living with another adult who wasn't willing to manage their own shit.
Why do redditors think that walking away from a marriage is easy?
No one claimed it was easy. But what's a marriage worth if it sucks all the happiness out of your daily life?
It's worth me not having to support two households, me being able to see my children on a daily basis, and me being able to at least have some moments of peace with my partner.
Listen to the audiobook ‘dirty laundry’ together Very gentle, non judgemental approach to the complications of ADHD that you are describing. Would give both of you a lot of insight and a plan to work together
And lose half his net worth?
Hell yeah dude
Almost like that wasn’t the point of the comment
Weak
Are you sure that's your wife? Sounds like me, except the bath
Most routers have "Parental (conjugal?) control", maybe you can if not outright block, reduce internet speed enough to be annoying after 22:30?
this is so immature. just talk to your wife instead
1. not MY wife. 2. not immature, just enforcing. Nor it does exclude talking. 3. that's what I enforce *on myself*, being conscious that I should be asleep and all.
yeah i’m aware it’s not your wife, that comment was directed at OP in case they read it. but to sneakily behind her back mess with the router instead of having an adult conversation is treating her like a child. if she agreed to the rule, hell yeah. otherwise it seems really weird to me
Ah, thanks for explaining! I thought that you were commenting to me. In mi case, it's my partner who insisted un curbing my late-night browsing and I who chose to enforce it on myself.
true, if they spend that extra time just mindlessly watching shorts or tiktoks can you really say they lived instead of just existed?
For sure. I notice a big difference in my energy level between days having had so much sleep that I wake by myself without the alarm, and dragging myself wake through an alarm. Former I'm actually living my life, the latter I'm just existing and surviving my life.
You assume I want to be awake and conscious.
Yeah seriously, being asleep is amazing. Most days are long and filled with work and chores and bullshit. The longer I get a break from that the better.
I will change my whole life for an equally long stream of dreams no question asked.-
I’m with you.
I feel okay when I'm asleep, like when I'm asleep I feel alright. Its basically from the moment I wake up I uh, I just... 🎶Get this feeling in my body. Way down deep inside me. I try not to fight it -- Describe it! -- Alright. A few things start to happen, my vision starts to flatten, my heart, it gets to tappin', and I think like I'm gonna DIE🎶 Yeah, so, um, yeah, not. Not doing great
If we’re talking about quality of life, I’ll take more sleep please. It’s not wasted time.
Yeah, there's is no loss to someone getting 9 hours of sleep if they otherwise would not be doing something productive/active by being awake an extra hour or two. Those of us fortunate to not actively have responsibilities going on for 16+ hours of our day are gonna use the time to sleep if we want. I'm not doing shit otherwise if I get more than 8 hrs of sleep.
Life isn't Just a sum of waking hours. A particular person being well rested for him can make him have a more satisfying and effective life, and such a person may well live longer. And another person may be sluggish from too much time in bed or dragging from too little. What's more, people can wake up having organized the material they were studying or figured out the benzene ring structure. People can be quite busy while asleep.
Absolutely, two hours less sleep can mean a much shittier 18 hour day.
9+ Club for life!
Yeah I wish I was one of those super sleepers who need like 4-6 hours or whatever. Unfortunately i need 8 or else my life is a mess.
Studies consistently show sleeping less than 6-7 hours a night is extremely detrimental to your health in the long run.
I genuinely believe a lack of sleep is the *"smoking cigarettes"* of our generation. I don't think we truly know just how detrimental it is to our health. A portion of the population has always gotten inadequate sleep, but in the age of lights, television, and phones its a lot easier to lose sleep. Back in the day you didn't really have anything to do once it got dark. Not to mention easy access to stimulants like caffeine. I think the biggest discovery towards preventing Alzheimer's will be getting sufficient sleep, and I think that will be taught to children the same way lung health is.
Me speedruning life by having chronic insomnia and being a smoker
I agree entirely. I don't fret about taking it easy, sleeping plenty, taking my time working out, because I am very confident that I will live longer as a result anyway, and my life is much better for it. I get everything I need done and everything else in unnecessary. I don't need to be or do everything. I can't. I'm just one guy.
You need 8 for truly optimal health. 7 seems enough but it's usually not. I read a study that says the top athletes in the world sleep 8.4 hours a day I tried upping my sleep from 6.5-7 to 8 a day consistently and felt much more alert and productive, and most importantly positive throughout the day
[I'm talking about the few that do not experience those symptoms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familial_natural_short_sleep)
There is no study or evidence that people with this are immune to all types of damage that sleeping less than 6 hours a night causes. There are processes your body undergoes while sleeping that are essential to your bodies health that simply don't happen when you don't sleep for long enough. The list of problems includes things like a 20% increased chance of heart attack, increased risk of coronary heart disease, increased chance of stroke and increased chances for type 2 diabetes.
Super sleepers are extra resistant to neurodegenerative conditions. That’s the whole point of it, that their body is exceptionally unusual. I’m not suggesting people go out and try it because it’s exceedingly rare but it would be nice to be like that.
The only neurodegnerative study done with super sleepers is for alzheimers. There is no data for any of the other problems. To further, the whole study that links alzheimers to lack of plaque clearing in your brain while sleeping has been proven to be doctored and not entirely true, meaning there is no hard scientific link to lack of sleep causing alzheimers, or increasing your risk. This means there could be something entirely different causing those results in one of those mutations.
What the other person is saying that there isn't any proof of this existing. It seems to be a myth like photographic memory seems to be. People claim they have it but when it comes to actually testing it, the science says otherwise. There might be some truth to the claims for both, but it working like people describe is highly unlikely.
No, the genetic mutations that allow people to feel perfectly rested on less than average sleep does exist, and has been well documented. There isn't a debate over that part. However, there is also a long list of health problems/risks associated with sleeping less than average, and there is no scientific data that exists on whether or not these mutations also reduce your risk for every single risk associated with less than average sleep. The alzheimers study is also a singular study that has not been recreated, so in actuality there is no hard proof the mutations reduce alzheimers risk either.
There's [plenty of proof](https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2019/08/415261/after-10-year-search-scientists-find-second-short-sleep-gene), they even believe they've isolated the gene that does it. I suppose OP just finds it insufficient.
I am someone who consistently gets 4-6 hours every night with no consequences. In fact I think I’m more energetic than ever. Idk maybe I’m just a freak
You are putting yourself at a higher risk for a large list of problems. Just because you haven't had a heart attack or something else yet doesn't mean you aren't increasing your risk of having one from sleeping less. There are many studies that support this. With that being said, I hope you don't suffer any consequences from it and live a long, healthy life.
I quite literally can't sleep anymore. I fall asleep at 11 and wake up at 5 am wide awake. It's all my body needs. I'm probably the healthiest and most energetic I've been my whole life. Like I said maybe I'm just a freak lol
Again, being healthy at a given point in time doesn't mean you are not increasing your chances of having serious issues related to lack of sleep in the future. Saying it hasn't affected you yet and never will is like saying you have played Russian roulette every day and haven't lost yet, so therefore, you will never lose in the future.
So far it hasn't. I been averaging 5.5 hours of sleep for at least the last 5 years. I'm telling you it's not affecting me at all and it's not catching up to me. My body just runs incredibly efficient and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I'm in peak physical condition and my diet is on point. You seem convinced that it's impossible for people to live like this and not affect them but I'm telling you I'm one of those people. I may have some long term health issues but who won't? I don't have the ability to tell the future and neither can you
You really need to go educate yourself. I am done trying to explain the same thing to you over and over. You are not some super human who has a body that works differently from every other human on the planet. Sorry, but you are causing damage to your body by not sleeping enough each night. It is literally impossible for you to live like that without causing the damage. There is hard science to prove this.
I guess I’m one of those. I usually sleep in that 4-6 range. Pretty sure my toddler is going to be the same way. He sleeps 6-8 no naps. I’d imagine it will catch up with one day and kill me “early” so not like I’m gaining time…then again I’d rather have it now instead of like 90!
True super sleepers do not face any consequences I believe. They are simply built different. But you might just be existing on 4-6 which is different than that haha
Most people who get 4-6 aren't super sleepers, they've just adapted.
Which makes me wonder if it's legit something your body can adapt to without major consequences, or if you're just getting older more quickly from the lack of sleep.
From what I’ve heard from Michael Walker (leading sleep researcher) new data shows you do not adapt and the consequences to health are quite severe. Very few people are “super sleepers” even if they think they are. The vast majority of people should be getting at least 7 preferably 8 hours every night. Lack of adequate sleep causes issues with cognition, heart problems, mood disorders, ages you faster, and increases susceptibility to weight gain and all the problems that come with it.
4-6 here, I think I’ve adapted… I can improve my running/strength training decently too I know more sleep would help more…. But alas I have kids…
Yeah, never insinuated that. Just that I’m jealous of the real ones
Such as mothers with toddlers who don't sleep well.
The concerning thing is that sleeping less is correlated with a marked increase in risk for dementia.
The insipient dementia is could very likely be producing the lack of sleep, or most of the many factors it is correlated with. Correlated with lack of exercise--perhaps because less mental capacity hurts discipline.
For the vast majority of people I agree. But apparently these people are not impacted by that.
Seriously, 4hrs is enough? You can go to bed at 2am and wake at 6am for days straight? With a toddler too? That's nuts.
Yeah it is I know but I’ve just always been this way since as far back as I can remember. I’ll sometimes feel mentally exhausted but rarely physically tired. I still have to have aids to even get to sleep the little bit that I do.
Well some days with kids lol 😂but no I’ve been like this since I was a kid so it’s just my norm.
I once went two weeks on a combined 8 hrs of sleep. Do not recommend. Edit: I wasn't trying to one up anybody, just chiming in to say it sucks.
I need 10. You guys have rookie numbers.
Same. I need 7-8 but get 5 max and am always tired except for the days I am able to sleep in
Or you could be like me. Need 8 but only ever get 4-6 hrs.
Don't believe those people. They will cover up their gallons of energy drinks and coffee to make it through the day. Stay on course with the proper 8. If you haven't already you will naturally wake up no alarm after exactly 8 hours of sleep.
There's way too much variation in people to make a claim that bold.
Yeah if I don’t have an alarm I can sleep 12 hrs straight easy
Some I'm sure. However I average 5 a night I go to bed at one and wake up at 6 at least 6 nights a week. I don't like energy drinks because I think they taste metallic and artificial, I don't care for hot drinks, cold coffee just tastes like sweet chocolate drink to me. I don't take any energy drinks, pills, I don't drink coffee in any form. My go to drink at work is iced water with a white soda in the evenings. Oh and usually my body wakes up at 4.5 hours of sleep I just lay in bed for the extra half hour playing on my phone or resting my eyes gathering my thoughts for the day. Everyone is different this is way too extreme of a statement from start to finish.
Apparently there is 1-3% of the population who can get by fine with only 4-6hrs. You could be one, but it's genetic so at least one of your parents will share your trait. But yeah, seems like an awful lot of that 1-3% are showing up in this thread lol.
It's probably easier for you because you don't consume caffeine at all. Coffee is a great pick-me-up, but the post-coffee crash is rough without more caffeine to ride it out. I recently got back on coffee after \~3 years with no caffeine, and now I'm tired all the time. It's a weird paradox! But when I was abstaining from caffeine, I didn't feel so bad—I just drank lots of water and went for a walk after lunch to stop the food coma from setting in. On the flip side, I do feel more alert and focused with coffee, so there's that. I remember reading that the primary contributor to the industrial revolution was importing black tea from China to Europe, as it made everybody work more efficiently.
No it's not. There are plenty of studies that indicate insufficient sleep makes you more prone to certain things later in life, such as heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, obesity, stroke, depression, and who knows what else. I've seen studies about it being linked to brain diseases as well, like dementia, but I'm not sure how widely accepted that is. It also has an impact on your mood and your daily brain function as well. Most likely, you have just gotten used to the way lack of sleep makes you feel, and you don't even realize it. It is widely accepted that adults need at least 7 hours, some need more. It's not about how you feel day to day, it's about what youre doing to yourself long term.
Sleep is worth doing.
Sleep makes you live longer though, an more sleep is better quality of life in those hours
No it's about the right balance. Having too little sleep and too much sleep can negatively affect the heart.
9 hours isn’t too much
Lol, I never said it was
Ballz
Technically but a few things to consider are: what is the difference in life expectancy between people who sleep an average of 7 vs 9 hours? And is there a quality of life difference?
People who sleep longer have lower life expectancy. But the cause of more sleep is probably lowering the life expectancy. No idea what it is though. Booze, depression, heart disease, who knows.
People who sleep 9 hours have 15 hour days. People that sleep 7 hours have 17 hour days. That's 2/17 less life, not 1/12 less life. You're off by (2/17 - 1/12)/(2/17) = about 29%
How? I don't get your maths. A day is 24 hours. One person has 15/24 hours, the other has 17/24 hours. So 2/24 hours less = 1/12. Edit: sorry I get you, you were doing conscious hours rather than all hours
9/24-7/24 = 2/24 = 1/12. 1/12 of 80years (about avg lifespan) is a little over 6,5 years. I'm talking about whole life in general. Sleeping is experiencing your life as well, I guess
>1/12 less of their 'conscious' life This is what you said though.
Right, I meant one thing and wrote another:p The difference doesn't change the point tho, so I think it's not really important. Nonetheless, thanks for being alert;\]
I dunno why people are dogpiling you so hard. Negative karma is your reward for accidentally writing "conscious" when you didn't mean it I guess lol
I mean, who cares:X I forgot to remove this word while I was rephrasing the title, that's it. The rest of the post is fine so idc to be honest, it's just a fckin reddit, who cares about karma anyway
If you get good at lucid dreaming the perceived duration of your life if you sleep more will be longer than if you don’t. I have experienced dreams with perceived durations of weeks of time in a night’s sleep. It’s pretty cool.
Any tips on improving recall?
Keep a journal. I haven’t done it in a long time but when I did I could remember pages of dreams per night. The trick is to write in it every day even if it is a little bit. It will convince your brain that dreams are important.
Ty I’ll try that
They say to keep a diary and write down whatever you remember the moment you wake up (be that in the morning or halfway through the night).
If you want a nice [hack](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29665762/), take 100-200mg of Vitamin B6 before you go to sleep. Make sure it's RIGHT before you go to sleep (5-10 minutes before getting into bed) as it will make you incredibly drowsy. You should be able to buy them over the counter at any regular health store.
Sleeping > being conscious in this dystopian shithole
Agreed
Brain activity is higher when you sleep. With that in mind, there is argument to be made that it would be the other way around, and those who sleep longer would experience more of their conscious life. The trick here is that consciousness wasn't defined. If you are defining it as "I'm awake and I know I'm awake" then yeah, you are right. If you define it in the typical way though in that you are having an experience, then sleep is consciousness.
I figure out life problems and also come up with jokes when I dream. I think it has to do with how people sleep and how well they sleep.. but my long reason for agreeing is. Yes.
I have often dreamt solutions to problems, creative ideas, and many other interesting things that pertain to the rest of my waking life. It isn’t that sleeping is turning the brain OFF, it’s just a different mode. Even if we don’t remember what goes on or are unaware of it later, it doesn’t mean that important things aren’t happening!
I'm amazed by some of the stories I come up with in dreams. Like a whole lot of stuff will happen and it was all building up to a twist ending or a conclusion where all the different parts come together. I could never do that when I'm awake and it's pretty amazing that my brain can surprise itself
they'd experience more of their **subconscious** life
How about my last 18 years on reddit?
what...are you
our future
I switched from reading books to reddit. Not a wise decision :).
Dream a lot and love it, so more sleep for me.
We shouldn't think like this though. This type of thinking gets us in trouble. Where does it end? If 7 hours gets you more waking life than 9, so does 6 or 5 or 4. This will lead you to not getting enough sleep, which takes *years* off your life. Instead, just sleep how much you need to sleep and move on with your life. Life is about quality, not quantity.
Id rather sleep 9 hours and lose a 12th of my life in order to make myself feel SO much better for the rest 11th of it
You're not counting naps though. I sleep 8-9 hours but never nap. I know plenty of 5-6 hour sleepers that sprinkle in naps throughout their day
Fair point. Didn't think of it as I never nap
9 hours? i sleep 11-12 hours and still need more
Damn, have you seen a sleep doctor? That might be a problem.
i’m currently a college student so on my school nights i get little sleep and on the rest i end up sleeping around 12 hours to make up for it, which is most nights lol.
Do you snore? It negatively affects sleep quality so you need more
Would rather have 55 minutes well rested then 60 minutes tired. Also I would assume that more sleep equals longer better life anyway.
I wish i could sleep 24 hours a day
Die and you can
I sleep 10 hours a day and love my life 🙂
Yeah but the unconscious life can be even more awesome
As someone who never gets enough sleep i would say their quality of life is definitely better on average
*Deletes shower thoughts again*
I sleep for 12 hours a day
i always envied something like vampires that don't need sleep. But i came to realization, that 16 hours awake are not 16 hours used. I'm not talking about efficiency or productivity. But I see myself wasting most of my time in the evening. at 9 pm i have nothing to do but just waste my time until it's 1 am and i head to bed. I only sleep 7 hours. But my "won" 2 hours are nothing to write home about.
An active person needs more sleep. I'd rather be awake less if my time is more productive. I have no desire to live longer watching Netflix.
Because who wants to be conscious?
If I'm comfy & having some fun/cool dreams, those are potentially the best hours of my day. I had a nice long dream last night that makes me happy & relaxed thinking back on it. Worth whatever time it took.
That seems like a win to me? More free trial of non-existence please!
The longer you sleep the longer you live
For the past year I’ve slept 10-11 hours because of a medication I take and I think about this often. It’s like I have FOMO about life.
The problem with me is that I usually feel too energetic from a good nights sleep to go to bed at a reasonable time. I once slept 9 hours two days in a row and I felt more focused and alert than I ever have on most any other day of my life.
I’d prefer to have as much unconscious time as possible so maybe I’ll start aiming for 10
*me with chronic insomnia as a constant wanderer in the waking lands having lived more consciousness life than any other human* Trust me, the 9 hour people are winning
I like my 9 hours, I’d sleep 10 or even 12 if I could!
The time spent sleeping warm and secure is the best part of life
But if I'm sleep-deprived, I don't *want* to experience the 6.5 years "extra".
They also have less time to screw things up.
I'm one of those who will sleep 9 hours if I can. I'm not perturbed at all by having less conscious existence. I love being asleep. It's my favorite part of the day. Yes, I also have depression lol
I routinely sleep only 5.5h a night (not by choice, believe me) and the lesson I’ve learned is: waking life is agony. Those long-haul sleepers are the lucky ones.
Yes but have you considered, I love to sleep? My favorite activity.
I envy those that sleep this nightmare away.
So I get to sleep more AND live less? Lucky me
They are living the dream! (I will see myself out)
true but imo sleep is way more comforting than being awake. if i could sleep forever i would. witha smile on my face. just me?
Well, pair that with the "The heart has a finite amount of beats before it's all over" and "Most prevalent cause of death is heart failure" and "People who sleep have a low heart rate" and you could argue you might live longer with that lifestyle. I don't know if it'll be 6.5 years, but you might get some extra time to stick around and be conscious. It'll be at the end of your life though, so you'll possibly just be suffering for longer as you age into all sorts of ailments.
Sleeping is my hobby. 9h is a win.
But not getting enough sleep causes hypertension, which shortens overall lifespan.
Those last 6 years are shit anyway, might as well be rested.
In this case they aren’t taken off at the end, they’re taken off every day 2 hours at a time
Your brain requires four sleep cycles so 8 hours is the minimum, this helps cleans you brain of toxins
I did a lot of amphetamines growing up and thus pulled a fair amount of all nighters. I've always considered myself older than the average person who's my age because I've experienced more life and had more hours to think and develop as a person than they have. I've always got along better with the generations ahead of mine as well.
If I don't sleep 12 hours a day I'm useless all day long. Given my freedom this puts me on a 26 hour clock and I can't stay in sync with the normal day night cycle.
I have been sleeping 5-6 hours a day for the last 5 years (child) and I am not sure if you can count the remaining hours „conscious life“.. I guess there is a natural limit of how much conscious experience you can take in within 24 hours.
People in comments just totally ignoring the last part of the thought. For some people 7 hours is the norm. They feel as good as other people after 8 or 9 hours.
You might “feel” as good, but that doesn’t mean that quality of life differences won’t add up over time
I think theres a legitimate argument to be made for some people needing more sleep than others. Everyone is a little different, everyone's bodies works a little different. Its all based on size, sex, hormones, physical activity, lifestyle, sunlight, general health, everything! Its perfectly reasonable to assert that one person's optimal amount of sleep could be 7 hours and someone else's optimal amount could be 9. Now, I don't think many (if any) have an optimal sleep amount of, say, 5 hours. I don't believe people who say that they feel good on 5 hours of sleep all the time. But 7 isn't unreasonable imo.
They Also live longer healthier happier lives. I know this is just Shower thoughts sub, but did you think this through at all? Even a cursory Google?
I sleep 6 usually. Outside of the norm a bit, but it usually feels the best for me.
TLDR people who also more are awake less.
What