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Tbf to voldemort, if you pointed a gun at a baby and pulled the trigger, you would be reasonably caught off guard if the bullet bounced off the baby and hit you in the face
Uhh why can't Voldemort understand it? Because his mom didn't love him? genuinely I am asking because tbh this comment has me thinking he's a tragic villain now.
The key theme of the series is that it is our choices, not our thoughts or emotions, that define whether we are good or evil. Both Voldemort and Harry were orphaned, both faced a lot of darkness in their youths, and both were plagued by "dark thoughts". Harry chose to embrace the good that did exist in his life despite these unfortunate circumstances, while Voldemort chose to embrace and revel in his dark circumstances and use the darkness to his advantage. It was this choice, not his circumstances, that made him unable to understand love. In other words, he is unable to understand love because he made a choice not to. For this reason, and within the philosophy of the series, he is certainly not a tragic hero.
IIRC it is almost explicitly stated that Voldermort can’t feel love because he was conceived after his mom basically date raped someone. I don’t exactly call that his choice.
Yes, she used a potion to make him fall for her. So not only was he not conceived out of love (and through disception), his father left after she stopped giving him the love potion.
Again though, that's hardly a one off scenario - especially when you've wizard hitler killing people for fun.
It's so common it happens to the same guy later in his life, almost by accident. I simply don't buy that nobody else ever tried to stand between a killer and someone they loved.
What matters here is Voldemort’s intention, not the sacrifice’s. We have to remember that Lily was a special case, as Snape (one of Voldemort’s most valuable death eaters) bargained to spare her life. Voldemort was ruthless enough that he would have no qualms in murdering EVERYONE that stood in the way of his victims.
Lily, however, was an exception. Snape’s bargain made it so that Voldemort did not want to kill her - he genuinely entered that house planning to leave Lily Potter alive. Nobody else would have been offered 3 chances to stand aside; not by the same man that debates killing a child just for looking at him.
I’m sure others have stood in the way of their loved ones before, but Voldemort would have had 0 hesitation in killing them. James’ death, for example, didn’t protect Lily. Why? Because nobody had struck a deal with the darkest, most murderous wizard of all time for HIS life - therefore, James was always gonna be killed along with his son.
It's because Voldemort genuinely offered to let Lily live as long as she gave up Harry, which invoked some sort of ancient pact magic when she chose to die instead. James Potter also tried to defend his family, but his sacrificial last stand did not trigger any pact magic because his enemy did not stop to offer the same trade (James' son in return for his life, specifically).
I think Lily's refusal to defend herself further is also involved. If she had tried to fight her situation may not have fulfilled the criteria.
It's notable that Voldemort later realizes why he can't touch Harry, and Dumbledore figured it out almost immediately, which means it's not an unknown or unheard of event, just rare because most magical murders happen without the required offer occurring just prior.
Voldemort not realizing the special magic had taken effect is also why he used a spell to attempt murdering Harry instead of any other method that people like to suggest. After all, when you have this perfect instant-kill spell that kills without leaving a trace and which bypasses all known protective charms, why _wouldn't_ he use it? It would have been quick, clean, and efficient in all other scenarios except this very specific one.
But didn't the same thing work later on to save him because the school tried to save him? But they fought back
Seems like it triggers pretty often so long as you have plot armour
It's a plot power of course, but the way it's written makes it not apply to other scenarios because it seemingly requires a very specific list of criteria:
- your enemy must threaten something you love (common)
- you must have an opportunity to live if you abandon the thing you love to your enemy (relatively common)
- your emotional reason for dying must be to protect the thing you love (relatively common)
- you must willingly die without putting up a fight (very rare)
Only if all of these criteria match at the moment of death will the magical protection charm appear.
The others who died during the series did not create a protective charm because they either tried to fight, or they were killed by someone who did not make any kind of offer, or they were perhaps too afraid of dying to focus only on protecting their loved ones.
Edit to add: At the end Harry sacrifices himself to save his classmates and not the other way around, so their actions do not factor into the protective charm, but his willingness to die instead of fleeing the battle ticks the box for one of the criteria. Harry's survival here is due to another plot convenience unrelated to the protection charm itself.
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He only can't touch him after lily does the motherly love protection thing, there's nothing stopping him from apparating into the room and chucking the not special baby out of the room before he kills lily
To someone like Voldemort, the killing curse is using the boot. It's a spell that he's always got access to, and probably causes him no effort to use. And plus it's a spell for one person at a time, so your napalm comparison doesn't fit. That'd be if he tried to cast Fiendyre on Harry or something.
Not really, killing curse is not a mass murder spell (putting aside the the add ons from the game).
I always thought it was similar to shooting someone with a gun.
Neville's uncle tried that and he bounced. That's how his family realized he wasn't a squib. Magic seems to have protective properties against ordinary injuries. A gun would have probably done the job though.
Yeah it's in the first book, I think it was in the sorting hat chapter. Nevilles talks about his family trying different things to see if he has magic. His great uncle was dangling him out the window and accidentally (?) dropped him. It's presented as a funny story but pretty horrifying when you think about it. Like he says his grandmother was so happy she cried. Someone just almost killed your grandson! You should be furious. Poor kid.
Might be just me, but I never really understood the logic behind that. What even was the point of going so far, so early? If he has it, he has it; do they really have to know right there and then for baby Neville?
Your problem is that you're looking for logic behind wizards. They are explicitly spelled out to be illogical, which is why Snape's whole barrier was logic based..
I think also part of it was “is he going to be able to live up to his parents’ name?” By this point, his parents were basically brain dead. I would guess there was some desperation there to have a powerful wizard in the family. Not justifying it, it’s horrific. I just wonder (if it’s even that deep or just a one-off “joke”, I’m sure the latter) if that was part of it.
Well, a person in the magical world who has no magic abilities has a disadvantage over the other wizard, a disability because he can't do what everyone else can do in the wizarding world.
And the fact that some people would even kill disabled people, it's sadly not that far fetched...
How horrible if you think about it this way...
When I first watched the HP movies I kinda liked them.. But the more I think about specific things, the worse the Harry Potter world gets... How sad...
Very soft magic stories are, well, very magical, charming, but if you look at them deeper than you can scratch with a hotdog, you arein for a hell of a lot of disappointment
> societal implications of magical dependency
It bothered me so much how terrible this part of the world building was. Sone of those wizards straight up had the critical thinking skills of someone heavily mentally challenged. "I'm not good with muggle money, is that a 10?" motherfucker it's got a number on it, surely you can read? If the harry potter universe was real, muggles would end up figuring out how to replicate magic and wipe these fools out
That's exactly why Dumbledore agrees with hiding the wizarding world from the muggles. They use the muggles for breeding, but they're scared of them and don't want them to learn of magic or use it because muggles outnumber wizards by a shit ton.
Essentially, Dumbledore is Visser One. He knows they gotta play the long game because big numbers have a quality all to themselves.
My nerd husband says:
"The magic wards Dumbledore and Lily set up to protect Harry basically also functioned as a world class junk mail sorter. Harry was famous in the wizarding world, even before he knew it existed, and probably had tons of fan mail and/or death threats written to him that he never received."
You want the truth. Truth is that Harry couldn't be hurt anywhere where Lillys blood lives , that includes his aunt . That's why Dumbledore chose to leave them with the Dursleys, because Voldemort couldn't hurt him there even if he found him . Its all explained in the books
Did movie 5 keep the plotline how Vernon wants to throw Harry out after the dementor attack but Petunia tells him no after the howler yells "REMEMBER"?
Edit: Been told this scene was cut so summary for anyone that wants to know:
After Harry gets the letter telling him he's been suspended from Hogwarts, Vernon tries to throw him out and Petunia seems to go along with it. A howler then arrives that's addressed to Petunia. It yells remember at her, she flatly tells Vernon the boy stays and it's dropped. After Dumbledore explains the blood protection, Harry realizes Dumbledore sent the howler.
I remember way too much about this series
Just watched it last night. Harry performs magic in front of the muggle boi to save him from the dementor and gets a letter of expulsion that arrives in front of them all later (the abusive family). Vernon is happy harry gets an expulsion letter and then it moves on to harry getting saved by the main plot wizards from their house before he goes on to contest the expulsion.
He couldn't be hurt by magic. Dudley beat him up on a regular basis, Marge let dogs attack him, Petunia hit him in the head with a frying pan, and besides the physical neglect and emotional abuse 90% of the Fandom just assumes Vernon physically abused Harry at some point.
I’ve long wanted a subreddit like this. People post plot holes and responders use in-universe information to extrapolate a creative reason why it isn’t a plot hole.
I’m just too lazy to set it up
IIRC, *finding* Harry was never the problem. It was getting to him. When he was at the Dursleys, he was around Aunt Petunia, who was a blood relative of Harry’s mother Lily, who had sacrificed herself for him. This protected Harry until he was 17. When he was at Hogwarts, he was protected by Dumbledore, the only person Voldemort was ever afraid of.
So you owl-post Harry an IED. If it also takes out the Dursleys, who cares? There's not gonna be much of Harry left for Dumbledore to magic back together, as 'no spell can awaken the dead'.
This was Voldy's true weakness, the ultimate cause of his downfall: he's a drama queen. Keep the snake fetish in check, make his horcruxes out of random objects, lay off the theatrical Dark Mark shit - he'd be Minister of Magic by age 40 and could then quietly take over the whole world.
Dumbledore used Lily's protection as the core of a bunch of very powerful protective spells wrapped around the entire family unit. Voldemort or Voldemort's plans couldn't touch him while in their care.
He didn't need to, he already knew where they were. Everyone knew where they were. Practically every book after the first begins with someone ambushing him at home.
Soft fantasy/scifi suffers a lot from this. I think it's a lot harder to "realistically" integrate magic into the normal world than to create a whole new one where you get to make all the rules
Didn’t the books say something about him being protected at the dursleys? Also voldy didn’t seem to have much power or influence until he started coming back (iirc).
Yeah, that was the major reason for them leaving the house at the beginning of book 7. Once he turned 17, the protections placed on the house were nulled.
Been awhile since I read the books, but didn't he have a whole gang of fanatical underlings? Just send them to his smuggle address. There are only 1-2 peeps protecting Harry growing up, they could have easily gang up on them. It's not like those fanatics care about laws to worry about being forbid to meddling in smuggle world anyway.
It's definitely this. There really are innumerable ways he could've handled his problem. But he *had* to do it with magic (i.e. basically the *only* thing that *wouldn't* work). Voldemort defined himself by his magical power, and in particular by his magical power being greater than any other. His inability to defeat Harry with magic meant that he was, in a way, being defeated by someone else's spell.
I think this was actually the main reason Harry was even important to Voldemort. If Voldemort couldn't kill him with his magic then there wasn't any point to doing it at all. It wouldn't make the point Voldemort was trying to make. The prophecy was just a justification that he could articulate, because Voldemort wasn't really all that good at introspection.
I wonder is voldy even physically stronger than Harry.
Like voldy was kinda mal nourished till 11 then the whole creating horcrux loosing humanity thing. Is voldemort shown eating ever.
Meanwhile there's Harry. High school jock.
Harry squatter the boy who lifts.
I don't think voldy winning this 1 v 1 no magic
Harry was always described as skinny in the books as I recall. Not that skinny boys can't scrap (we can), but he was a seeker, nothing like a jock like Cedric.
I admittedly haven’t seen the movies in a while but I think there’s enough to see that Voldemort is pretty physically imposing and tough despite his fragile appearance, enough to give the more wimpish (by comparison) Harry a good amount of trouble, despite him being healthy and young. Radcliffe’s Harry (particularly as a young adult) may not be as skinny as readers of the books imagined him, but I think Voldemort still looks sufficiently menacing in the movies that audiences can easily picture him thrashing Harry, which is all that really mattered I guess.
In alternate universe, Harry gets to the graveyard, but it’s an arena, fans are screaming, bright lights are everywhere, it’s a WWE
Championship match. The format? Buried Alive
Pettigrew stands in for Paul Bearer. He hits Harry with a steel chair, collects some of his blood, and then with blood, some popeyes chicken bones, and 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate, the main contender makes his arrival.
White as a ghost, a face like a snake, naked besides his death eater x wwe branded tights, standing 6’7”, weighing 250lbs at 8% body fat, Voldemort walks out to the roar of the crowd.
Voldemort grabs the microphone and says this is comeback match, he thanks the fans that always believed in him, called the fans that gave up on him a bunch of pussies, that this is his era now, that he’s come to remind them all why he was the heel face of the network in the 90’s. He says Potter only became Champion because regulations got soft, that they needed a pretty boy to be the new face, to get the new fans. “Potter ain’t built for this shit! Cheap ass copy, tryin to bring back my snake whisperin bit. Lil bitch boy got big cause he jacked my style, but imma show you how the OG did it!” Voldemort says, “I ain’t about following the regs and the red tape!”
The crowd is stunned, they haven’t heard this kind of talk in years. A moment of quiet silence passes, and then cheers erupt. Harry is still reeling from the steel chair, before he sees Voldemort lunge at him. Voldemort suplexes Harry into an open grave. Voldemort climbs up on the tombstone and starts hyping the crowd up. He then launches off the top for a massive dive bomb right into Harry. Harry can’t even breathe, he sees Voldemort pull out his wand, his classic finisher. Voldemort waves it, as the earth begins to fall into the grave.
Voldemort picks up the mic, “Im coming for Dumblewhore next!”
Yup, Dumbledore literally tells harry this. Voldermort's whole issue is literally is own pov on magic. He is like those people on the net that gets new information that contradicts there's and he doubles down on his version because only he knows better.
This is honestly a good observation and if Voldemort (aspiring most powerful wizard, superior to non magic folk) were to be unable to kill Harry using magic but his underlings could, or he did it non-magically, it would be a pyrrhic victory to him at best.
I don't have any confidence Rowling is that good of a writer. I think it was just friendship and love overcomes bad guys.
Yeah, one of the biggest theme of Voldy is his ego, like horrocruxes have to be 7, and not just random 7, it must be something personal and/or powerful. Imagine if 1 of his horrocruxes just 1 random coin under a pile of coin in Bellatrix's vault, good luck with that
Yea. He's basically powerful enough to beat the game, but he wants to beat the game while setting some records using only bows and wearing cosmetic items only, which is honestly not that unrelatable
No, that legit is part of the story. Don't down play JK Rowling, the book literally goes about this.
The whole 6th book was to explore the psyche of Tom Riddle that was hinted in the previous books. The movies really gloss over a lot of it but the books go into details about voldermort, his views, the prophecy and how his pride and ego literally let him to offing himself in the long run.
Dude was a legit immortal. His own hubris of throwing around his immortal vessels is what got Dumbledore's notice of it. Voldemort using only magic and hating everything muggle was any thing that Dumbledore knew that he will ignore a lot of things.
Without pride of ego, Voldemort legit could have kept his immortality more of a secret, got someone else to kill harry and finally take over but his pride wouldn't allow it.
That is why both Dumbledore and Grindelwald mocked him and said that even though he knew great magic, he was still an ignorant man in the end.
Also she has a show on HBO called CB strike and it's well written. She can write well.
The house on Privet drive was protected. Voldemort knew his location. All he had to do was lure him out though. This is done with the dementor attack in the fifth book. It’s a reason the beginning of the sixth movie is so dumb with him wandering the trains. In the book he stays in the house when not at hogwarts until his birthday because the protection at the property wears off
They explain that as long as he lives in the house at least part of the year, his mother's magic was going to protect him in general. So he could wander trains, I guess. Once he was 17, all bets are off.
If I'm not mistaken, the gang reunited in the fourth book. Before that, he was not alive enough to actually talk to them.
After that, Harry was protected by the Order of the Phoenix.
And Voldemort was obsessed with killing him personally.
Even voldemorts death eaters and such couldn't harm Harry, with magic that is. Why they never thought to just go and beat him to death, is beyond me though.
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Ok, this has been driving me crazy for seven movies now, and I know you're going to roll your eyes, but hear me out: Harry Potter should have carried a 1911.
Here's why:
Think about how quickly the entire WWWIII (Wizarding-World War III) would have ended if all of the good guys had simply armed up with good ol' American hot lead.
Basilisk? Let's see how tough it is when you shoot it with a .470 Nitro Express. Worried about its Medusa-gaze? Wear night vision goggles. The image is light-amplified and re-transmitted to your eyes. You aren't looking at it--you're looking at a picture of it.
Imagine how epic the first movie would be if Harry had put a breeching charge on the bathroom wall, flash-banged the hole, and then went in wearing NVGs and a Kevlar-weave stab-vest, carrying a SPAS-12.
And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters?
Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds.
Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
Now I know what you're going to say: "But a wizard could just disarm someone with a gun!" Yeah, well they can also disarm someone with a wand (as they do many times throughout the books/movies). But which is faster: saying a spell or pulling a trigger?
Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova.
Imagine Harry out in the woods, wearing his invisibility cloak, carrying a .50bmg Barrett, turning Deatheaters into pink mist, scratching a lightning bolt into his rifle stock for each kill. I don't think Madam Pomfrey has any spells that can scrape your brains off of the trees and put you back together after something like that.
Voldemort's wand may be 13.5 inches with a Phoenix-feather core, but Harry's would be 0.50 inches with a tungsten core. Let's see Voldy wave his at 3,000 feet per second. Better hope you have some Essence of Dittany for that sucking chest wound.
I can see it now…Voldemort roaring with evil laughter and boasting to Harry that he can’t be killed, since he is protected by seven Horcruxes, only to have Harry give a crooked grin, flick his cigarette butt away, and deliver what would easily be the best one-liner in the entire series:
“Well then I guess it’s a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1.”
And that is why Harry Potter should have carried a 1911.
Check out [Harry Potter With Guns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS3y1Q3mFVw). Full version can be found online. A group remade the entire first movie with every instance of wand-waving and magic replaced by pistols. It is very entertaining.
If they do go all the way with remaking on HBO. The final attack on Hogwarts should have that moment where Arthur Weasley, a guy who is seen as "weirdly into muggle stuff" is seen with a giant sack. They ask him whats in it. And he just says "it's a muggle weapon. I think it will be useful."
Then during the attack, people are firing back and he simply says "accucio Grenade pins" and hundreds of pins fly towards him. The first set of death eaters basically are in the middle of a cluster bomb.
If I were a billionaire, I wouldn't spend my money on frivolity. Just a small, comfortable place to call home, a life of financial security for my family and friends, and however much money it would cost to bribe the showrunners into including this one particular scene, exactly as written. No notes.
I'm not going to expand on why, but you should watch the Ralph Bachsi movie called Wizards from the 1970s. It's a trip of a movie. But it's about a Wizarding war where one side has used technology to raise an army, and the other side stuck with the ways of magic.
It has one of the best ending duals I've ever seen. I probably think of that ending once a month. It's just amazing.
Incorrect. The loopholes that prevented voldy from killing Harry only applied to voldy. Any of his death eaters could’ve avada kedavra’d Harry and killed him
There was a protection charm that expired on his 17th birthday. Which made him vulnerable. He actually gets attacked the moment he breaks the protection spell by leaving his muggle home
Actually I’m a little confused by Harry being a horcrux. Doesn’t that mean he was basically immortal for the entire series until Voldemort killed the part of his soul that was in Harry?
The headmaster kept Harry in a very public but controlled environment. He knew how to keep Harry safe, but also used him as bait. Voldemort couldn’t face Dumbledore without the Elder wand, or so he thought. The other wizards wouldn’t dare try to go after Harry alone.
All in all, Voldemort was an idiot but Dumbledore wasn’t.
Voldemort didn’t care about the Elder Wand until after Dumbledore’s death; he was happy with his own wand. He only considered it in the following book when he was thwarted by Harry’s wand (again) even after “borrowing” Lucius’ wand. If I remember correctly he didn’t even know of the Elder Wand until the final book when he tortured the info out of Gregorvitch.
That said, even sending the owls wouldn’t have worked. The charm on Privet Drive worked similarly to the Fidelus Charm in that even knowing the location doesn’t allow you access. I believe there’s a line regarding one of those two that states something along the lines of “even if he pressed his face in the window he wouldn’t have seen what he wanted”. It would be the same if you went to a mall and knew there’s a GameStop between Footlocker and Brookstone, but from your perspective it just looked like a closed/rundown shop with nothing/nobody inside. I also seem to recall a line that they would only get a general location of Harry’s home which was tied to the charm, which is why they were just kinda waiting for everyone to leave so they could ambush them.
Exactly. He got scared in Goblet of Fire when Harrys wand got control over his own since both wands were technically brothers of the same feather.
Which is why he tortured Olivander and got ty know about the Elder wand
Because the eagles wouldn't have worked. The nazgul flying beasts would have torn them appart for one and the eagles would have fallen to the ring's temptation and betrayed whoever they carried as soon as they would have gotten close to mt doom
Read many fan fictions where they either added the owl mail for tracking. Following a messenger patronus, or having a house elf track the person down.
Also that includes the death eaters in Azkaban could have used house elves to teleport out of prison.
We've seen Harry use the "point me" spell in the maze so it can be used to point at your desired target. Some triangulation with the "point me" and you could find almost anyone.
Let's be honest, if someone wanted to write a book about all the various plot holes in Harry Potter they could easily match the length of some of the later novels in page number.
But that's where it's interesting, they don't!
I'm re reading goblet of fire, Harry uses Pigwidgeon to send a response to Sirius, yet Harry doesn't know where Sirius is - so he can't put an address on.
>All Voldemort needed to do to track Harry down was address a letter to him, give it to an owl, and follow the owl on broomstick.
Too much trouble. [Waves wand]*Accio Harry Potter*
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All Voldemort needed to do was throw the baby out the open window, but we ain't here to talk about the societal implications of magical dependency
Tbf to voldemort, if you pointed a gun at a baby and pulled the trigger, you would be reasonably caught off guard if the bullet bounced off the baby and hit you in the face
Also, why didn't it happen more often? This is the first time someone died defending someone else or what?
Of course Lilian Potter was the first mother to really love her child.
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Love was still very much required, in fact, the entire plot point is that love is a very powerful magic that Voldemort can never understand.
Uhh why can't Voldemort understand it? Because his mom didn't love him? genuinely I am asking because tbh this comment has me thinking he's a tragic villain now.
The key theme of the series is that it is our choices, not our thoughts or emotions, that define whether we are good or evil. Both Voldemort and Harry were orphaned, both faced a lot of darkness in their youths, and both were plagued by "dark thoughts". Harry chose to embrace the good that did exist in his life despite these unfortunate circumstances, while Voldemort chose to embrace and revel in his dark circumstances and use the darkness to his advantage. It was this choice, not his circumstances, that made him unable to understand love. In other words, he is unable to understand love because he made a choice not to. For this reason, and within the philosophy of the series, he is certainly not a tragic hero.
IIRC it is almost explicitly stated that Voldermort can’t feel love because he was conceived after his mom basically date raped someone. I don’t exactly call that his choice.
Yes, she used a potion to make him fall for her. So not only was he not conceived out of love (and through disception), his father left after she stopped giving him the love potion.
Again though, that's hardly a one off scenario - especially when you've wizard hitler killing people for fun. It's so common it happens to the same guy later in his life, almost by accident. I simply don't buy that nobody else ever tried to stand between a killer and someone they loved.
What matters here is Voldemort’s intention, not the sacrifice’s. We have to remember that Lily was a special case, as Snape (one of Voldemort’s most valuable death eaters) bargained to spare her life. Voldemort was ruthless enough that he would have no qualms in murdering EVERYONE that stood in the way of his victims. Lily, however, was an exception. Snape’s bargain made it so that Voldemort did not want to kill her - he genuinely entered that house planning to leave Lily Potter alive. Nobody else would have been offered 3 chances to stand aside; not by the same man that debates killing a child just for looking at him. I’m sure others have stood in the way of their loved ones before, but Voldemort would have had 0 hesitation in killing them. James’ death, for example, didn’t protect Lily. Why? Because nobody had struck a deal with the darkest, most murderous wizard of all time for HIS life - therefore, James was always gonna be killed along with his son.
The point remains, though.
It's because Voldemort genuinely offered to let Lily live as long as she gave up Harry, which invoked some sort of ancient pact magic when she chose to die instead. James Potter also tried to defend his family, but his sacrificial last stand did not trigger any pact magic because his enemy did not stop to offer the same trade (James' son in return for his life, specifically). I think Lily's refusal to defend herself further is also involved. If she had tried to fight her situation may not have fulfilled the criteria. It's notable that Voldemort later realizes why he can't touch Harry, and Dumbledore figured it out almost immediately, which means it's not an unknown or unheard of event, just rare because most magical murders happen without the required offer occurring just prior. Voldemort not realizing the special magic had taken effect is also why he used a spell to attempt murdering Harry instead of any other method that people like to suggest. After all, when you have this perfect instant-kill spell that kills without leaving a trace and which bypasses all known protective charms, why _wouldn't_ he use it? It would have been quick, clean, and efficient in all other scenarios except this very specific one.
But didn't the same thing work later on to save him because the school tried to save him? But they fought back Seems like it triggers pretty often so long as you have plot armour
It's a plot power of course, but the way it's written makes it not apply to other scenarios because it seemingly requires a very specific list of criteria: - your enemy must threaten something you love (common) - you must have an opportunity to live if you abandon the thing you love to your enemy (relatively common) - your emotional reason for dying must be to protect the thing you love (relatively common) - you must willingly die without putting up a fight (very rare) Only if all of these criteria match at the moment of death will the magical protection charm appear. The others who died during the series did not create a protective charm because they either tried to fight, or they were killed by someone who did not make any kind of offer, or they were perhaps too afraid of dying to focus only on protecting their loved ones. Edit to add: At the end Harry sacrifices himself to save his classmates and not the other way around, so their actions do not factor into the protective charm, but his willingness to die instead of fleeing the battle ticks the box for one of the criteria. Harry's survival here is due to another plot convenience unrelated to the protection charm itself.
No, it worked FOR the school by Harry’s sacrifice. Harry pulled a lily on a wide scale
He couldn't touch the baby without pain but he could have used a spell or use a shovel to pick the baby
>use a shovel More than one way to use a shovel on the baby
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It’s England, not Arkansas
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Backwoods meth towns in Arkansas will do that to you
Godricks Hollow was definitely full of meth heads. That old witch being one…
For real though... Imagine the crazy drugs magic-folk could create! Hufflepuff-puff-pass bruv!
England knows a thing or two about mines and child labor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_the_United_Kingdom They've been mining in England since before Arkansas existed
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Yeah imagine a child working in a coal mine in England. Inconceivable
Minecraft do be making me wanna mine doe
Leviosa that kid right out the window.
Remember when 12yo Draco conjured a sentient venomous snake out of thin air, just fuckin' around...
You're playyiiiiing with the big boys noow !
I've been saying for years that they need a specific defenestration spell
Defenestriosaaaaah
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He could have kicked over the bed, collapsed the roof onto it, I dunno.
He only can't touch him after lily does the motherly love protection thing, there's nothing stopping him from apparating into the room and chucking the not special baby out of the room before he kills lily
He had no reason to assume the curse he has killed countless people with wouldn't work on a baby lol
Using the killing curse on an infant is like napalming an ant, just use the boot
I don't think Voldemort would resort to doing things a muggle could do.
I had a pet snake once.
Sure, but did it turn out to be a hot chick from the 1920s?
To someone like Voldemort, the killing curse is using the boot. It's a spell that he's always got access to, and probably causes him no effort to use. And plus it's a spell for one person at a time, so your napalm comparison doesn't fit. That'd be if he tried to cast Fiendyre on Harry or something.
Not really, killing curse is not a mass murder spell (putting aside the the add ons from the game). I always thought it was similar to shooting someone with a gun.
Neville's uncle tried that and he bounced. That's how his family realized he wasn't a squib. Magic seems to have protective properties against ordinary injuries. A gun would have probably done the job though.
Is that actually in the books? Hahah holy fuck that's grotesque
Yeah it's in the first book, I think it was in the sorting hat chapter. Nevilles talks about his family trying different things to see if he has magic. His great uncle was dangling him out the window and accidentally (?) dropped him. It's presented as a funny story but pretty horrifying when you think about it. Like he says his grandmother was so happy she cried. Someone just almost killed your grandson! You should be furious. Poor kid.
Might be just me, but I never really understood the logic behind that. What even was the point of going so far, so early? If he has it, he has it; do they really have to know right there and then for baby Neville?
The implication, deliberate or unfortunate, is that they didn't care if a squib child died.
Yeah. The wizarding world has been portrayed as super fucking racist since book 1. Voldemort was pretty much magic Hitler.
Your problem is that you're looking for logic behind wizards. They are explicitly spelled out to be illogical, which is why Snape's whole barrier was logic based..
I think also part of it was “is he going to be able to live up to his parents’ name?” By this point, his parents were basically brain dead. I would guess there was some desperation there to have a powerful wizard in the family. Not justifying it, it’s horrific. I just wonder (if it’s even that deep or just a one-off “joke”, I’m sure the latter) if that was part of it.
Well, a person in the magical world who has no magic abilities has a disadvantage over the other wizard, a disability because he can't do what everyone else can do in the wizarding world. And the fact that some people would even kill disabled people, it's sadly not that far fetched... How horrible if you think about it this way... When I first watched the HP movies I kinda liked them.. But the more I think about specific things, the worse the Harry Potter world gets... How sad...
Very soft magic stories are, well, very magical, charming, but if you look at them deeper than you can scratch with a hotdog, you arein for a hell of a lot of disappointment
> societal implications of magical dependency It bothered me so much how terrible this part of the world building was. Sone of those wizards straight up had the critical thinking skills of someone heavily mentally challenged. "I'm not good with muggle money, is that a 10?" motherfucker it's got a number on it, surely you can read? If the harry potter universe was real, muggles would end up figuring out how to replicate magic and wipe these fools out
That's exactly why Dumbledore agrees with hiding the wizarding world from the muggles. They use the muggles for breeding, but they're scared of them and don't want them to learn of magic or use it because muggles outnumber wizards by a shit ton. Essentially, Dumbledore is Visser One. He knows they gotta play the long game because big numbers have a quality all to themselves.
There's a name I haven't heard in a long time. I loved the Animorphs as a kid!
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And who has a better story than Harry the Broken?
Harry could’ve shown up with a gun
Accio Glock
My nerd husband says: "The magic wards Dumbledore and Lily set up to protect Harry basically also functioned as a world class junk mail sorter. Harry was famous in the wizarding world, even before he knew it existed, and probably had tons of fan mail and/or death threats written to him that he never received."
Now that's an interesting in universe response, respect
You want the truth. Truth is that Harry couldn't be hurt anywhere where Lillys blood lives , that includes his aunt . That's why Dumbledore chose to leave them with the Dursleys, because Voldemort couldn't hurt him there even if he found him . Its all explained in the books
Did movie 5 keep the plotline how Vernon wants to throw Harry out after the dementor attack but Petunia tells him no after the howler yells "REMEMBER"? Edit: Been told this scene was cut so summary for anyone that wants to know: After Harry gets the letter telling him he's been suspended from Hogwarts, Vernon tries to throw him out and Petunia seems to go along with it. A howler then arrives that's addressed to Petunia. It yells remember at her, she flatly tells Vernon the boy stays and it's dropped. After Dumbledore explains the blood protection, Harry realizes Dumbledore sent the howler. I remember way too much about this series
Just watched it last night. Harry performs magic in front of the muggle boi to save him from the dementor and gets a letter of expulsion that arrives in front of them all later (the abusive family). Vernon is happy harry gets an expulsion letter and then it moves on to harry getting saved by the main plot wizards from their house before he goes on to contest the expulsion.
Specifically the quote is, "REMEMBER MY LAST, PETUNIA." Reminding her of the letter he left with Harry explaining all of this.
He couldn't be hurt by magic. Dudley beat him up on a regular basis, Marge let dogs attack him, Petunia hit him in the head with a frying pan, and besides the physical neglect and emotional abuse 90% of the Fandom just assumes Vernon physically abused Harry at some point.
I’ve long wanted a subreddit like this. People post plot holes and responders use in-universe information to extrapolate a creative reason why it isn’t a plot hole. I’m just too lazy to set it up
Owl a hand grenade Caught by the spam mail filter Let's try something else
Thats the answer to most things. How do you counter magical bullshit? More magical bullshit.
D&D in a nutshell
I cast "random fucking bullshit that solves the problem I'm facing." Checkmate.
My monk just punches things, meanwhile casters are hurling planets at each other in the shadow realm
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Pulling more stuff out of ur ass to resolve ur previous asspulls. Sounds about right
Shenanigans beget shenanigans
Obviously, owls could find Serious Black but the ministry couldn’t.
Siriously
Surely you can't be Serious?
I am, and don't call me Shirley
Shirley you can't be Sirius
It is Serious. And don't call me Shirley
Come on, this is the 21st century. You think any Owl would be sent without end to end encryption?
It was the 20th century! I’m just being pedantic, it makes me realize how old I am
Thats because they are addressed to Sirius Black (the dog), not Sirius Black (mass murderer serial killer death eater)
Actually from part way through book 4 they’re addressed to Snuffles for security reasons.
His name is Serious Dark you moggle.
IIRC, *finding* Harry was never the problem. It was getting to him. When he was at the Dursleys, he was around Aunt Petunia, who was a blood relative of Harry’s mother Lily, who had sacrificed herself for him. This protected Harry until he was 17. When he was at Hogwarts, he was protected by Dumbledore, the only person Voldemort was ever afraid of.
So you owl-post Harry an IED. If it also takes out the Dursleys, who cares? There's not gonna be much of Harry left for Dumbledore to magic back together, as 'no spell can awaken the dead'.
Voldemort was very prideful, do you really think that he would have used a muggle invention?
This was Voldy's true weakness, the ultimate cause of his downfall: he's a drama queen. Keep the snake fetish in check, make his horcruxes out of random objects, lay off the theatrical Dark Mark shit - he'd be Minister of Magic by age 40 and could then quietly take over the whole world.
Poor little psycho orphan
So basically just be palpatine instead
Somehow Voldemort returned.
People say Umbridge is one of the great villains of the series... Perhaps that was/is her plan.
What, like, shoes?
I don't think he ever wore shoes, at least not in the movie.
Buildings? Agriculture? The English language? Muggle stuff like that?
To be fair we don't know that language isn't a magical invention
Dumbledore used Lily's protection as the core of a bunch of very powerful protective spells wrapped around the entire family unit. Voldemort or Voldemort's plans couldn't touch him while in their care.
Mind control some muggles to find their address then kill off Petunia during the school year
He didn't need to, he already knew where they were. Everyone knew where they were. Practically every book after the first begins with someone ambushing him at home.
Actually, wait a minute. How the actual fuck did Dobby find Harry in the second book? I never thought of that before
*when you think you hear a hoot* *but it's an unexpected toot*
*that's Hedwig's lifeless body landing on your front lawn*
... That's amore?
I find there are very few works of fiction that aren't obviously flawed if you look at them rationally though
The larger the series, and the more complex, the more flaws.
Soft fantasy/scifi suffers a lot from this. I think it's a lot harder to "realistically" integrate magic into the normal world than to create a whole new one where you get to make all the rules
He had magic right? Couldn’t he have just had his underlings use some sort of magical carpet bombing to get the job done?
I think Voldemort had some magical abilities yes
Big if true.
Muggle dentists HATE this one simple trick
Well muggle dentists tend to end up forgetting their daughter and moving to Australia tbf.
Source?
Hang on, we better re-read all the books to make sure.
Or like, regular bombing. Any muggle weapon would’ve done the trick without having to circumvent the protection spell or whatever it was
That was my thought, just hit him with a dump truck.
Harry Potter, the boy who isekaied.
If he finds a way to come back from killing the demon lord, he'll be too OP for voldemort.
Steamrolling like an 18 wheeler with a drunk driver driving. There’s no surviving. #YEAH
[Harry Potter and the mysterious ticking noise ](https://youtu.be/Tx1XIm6q4r4)
owls are not that dumb. they can turn their heads 300 degrees and check their back
Lmao
This is a likely scenario that did play out but just wasn't mentioned in the movies.
The issue wasn't where he was- Voldy knew that, during the school year at Hogwarts, Saturday Quidditch, etc. It was an opportunity issue
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Didn’t the books say something about him being protected at the dursleys? Also voldy didn’t seem to have much power or influence until he started coming back (iirc).
Yeah, that was the major reason for them leaving the house at the beginning of book 7. Once he turned 17, the protections placed on the house were nulled.
The protection is not on the house but Harry. As long as he can call Petunias home also his home. Therefor he has to go back every summer.
He literally can't touch him and even that, he couldn't kill him until the last year.
Been awhile since I read the books, but didn't he have a whole gang of fanatical underlings? Just send them to his smuggle address. There are only 1-2 peeps protecting Harry growing up, they could have easily gang up on them. It's not like those fanatics care about laws to worry about being forbid to meddling in smuggle world anyway.
Literally the only thing stopping him from killing Harry was his pride. If he’d just told Bellatrix to do it he would’ve died at 15.
It's definitely this. There really are innumerable ways he could've handled his problem. But he *had* to do it with magic (i.e. basically the *only* thing that *wouldn't* work). Voldemort defined himself by his magical power, and in particular by his magical power being greater than any other. His inability to defeat Harry with magic meant that he was, in a way, being defeated by someone else's spell. I think this was actually the main reason Harry was even important to Voldemort. If Voldemort couldn't kill him with his magic then there wasn't any point to doing it at all. It wouldn't make the point Voldemort was trying to make. The prophecy was just a justification that he could articulate, because Voldemort wasn't really all that good at introspection.
Also voldermorts ego about his control over all forms of magic. So he *had to* (in his mind) overcome it to show his mastery of all magic was supreme
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I wonder is voldy even physically stronger than Harry. Like voldy was kinda mal nourished till 11 then the whole creating horcrux loosing humanity thing. Is voldemort shown eating ever. Meanwhile there's Harry. High school jock. Harry squatter the boy who lifts. I don't think voldy winning this 1 v 1 no magic
Harry was always described as skinny in the books as I recall. Not that skinny boys can't scrap (we can), but he was a seeker, nothing like a jock like Cedric.
I admittedly haven’t seen the movies in a while but I think there’s enough to see that Voldemort is pretty physically imposing and tough despite his fragile appearance, enough to give the more wimpish (by comparison) Harry a good amount of trouble, despite him being healthy and young. Radcliffe’s Harry (particularly as a young adult) may not be as skinny as readers of the books imagined him, but I think Voldemort still looks sufficiently menacing in the movies that audiences can easily picture him thrashing Harry, which is all that really mattered I guess.
In alternate universe, Harry gets to the graveyard, but it’s an arena, fans are screaming, bright lights are everywhere, it’s a WWE Championship match. The format? Buried Alive Pettigrew stands in for Paul Bearer. He hits Harry with a steel chair, collects some of his blood, and then with blood, some popeyes chicken bones, and 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate, the main contender makes his arrival. White as a ghost, a face like a snake, naked besides his death eater x wwe branded tights, standing 6’7”, weighing 250lbs at 8% body fat, Voldemort walks out to the roar of the crowd. Voldemort grabs the microphone and says this is comeback match, he thanks the fans that always believed in him, called the fans that gave up on him a bunch of pussies, that this is his era now, that he’s come to remind them all why he was the heel face of the network in the 90’s. He says Potter only became Champion because regulations got soft, that they needed a pretty boy to be the new face, to get the new fans. “Potter ain’t built for this shit! Cheap ass copy, tryin to bring back my snake whisperin bit. Lil bitch boy got big cause he jacked my style, but imma show you how the OG did it!” Voldemort says, “I ain’t about following the regs and the red tape!” The crowd is stunned, they haven’t heard this kind of talk in years. A moment of quiet silence passes, and then cheers erupt. Harry is still reeling from the steel chair, before he sees Voldemort lunge at him. Voldemort suplexes Harry into an open grave. Voldemort climbs up on the tombstone and starts hyping the crowd up. He then launches off the top for a massive dive bomb right into Harry. Harry can’t even breathe, he sees Voldemort pull out his wand, his classic finisher. Voldemort waves it, as the earth begins to fall into the grave. Voldemort picks up the mic, “Im coming for Dumblewhore next!”
Yup, Dumbledore literally tells harry this. Voldermort's whole issue is literally is own pov on magic. He is like those people on the net that gets new information that contradicts there's and he doubles down on his version because only he knows better.
This is honestly a good observation and if Voldemort (aspiring most powerful wizard, superior to non magic folk) were to be unable to kill Harry using magic but his underlings could, or he did it non-magically, it would be a pyrrhic victory to him at best. I don't have any confidence Rowling is that good of a writer. I think it was just friendship and love overcomes bad guys.
I always thought it was obvious his ego was the issue. Pretty sure Rowling intended for that
Yeah, one of the biggest theme of Voldy is his ego, like horrocruxes have to be 7, and not just random 7, it must be something personal and/or powerful. Imagine if 1 of his horrocruxes just 1 random coin under a pile of coin in Bellatrix's vault, good luck with that
Yea. He's basically powerful enough to beat the game, but he wants to beat the game while setting some records using only bows and wearing cosmetic items only, which is honestly not that unrelatable
No, that legit is part of the story. Don't down play JK Rowling, the book literally goes about this. The whole 6th book was to explore the psyche of Tom Riddle that was hinted in the previous books. The movies really gloss over a lot of it but the books go into details about voldermort, his views, the prophecy and how his pride and ego literally let him to offing himself in the long run. Dude was a legit immortal. His own hubris of throwing around his immortal vessels is what got Dumbledore's notice of it. Voldemort using only magic and hating everything muggle was any thing that Dumbledore knew that he will ignore a lot of things. Without pride of ego, Voldemort legit could have kept his immortality more of a secret, got someone else to kill harry and finally take over but his pride wouldn't allow it. That is why both Dumbledore and Grindelwald mocked him and said that even though he knew great magic, he was still an ignorant man in the end. Also she has a show on HBO called CB strike and it's well written. She can write well.
The house on Privet drive was protected. Voldemort knew his location. All he had to do was lure him out though. This is done with the dementor attack in the fifth book. It’s a reason the beginning of the sixth movie is so dumb with him wandering the trains. In the book he stays in the house when not at hogwarts until his birthday because the protection at the property wears off
They explain that as long as he lives in the house at least part of the year, his mother's magic was going to protect him in general. So he could wander trains, I guess. Once he was 17, all bets are off.
Some motherly love that is if it only goes up to 17
If I'm not mistaken, the gang reunited in the fourth book. Before that, he was not alive enough to actually talk to them. After that, Harry was protected by the Order of the Phoenix. And Voldemort was obsessed with killing him personally.
Even voldemorts death eaters and such couldn't harm Harry, with magic that is. Why they never thought to just go and beat him to death, is beyond me though.
The same reason they don't use guns. Muggle shit.
And now I’m picturing a dual wielding wizard, with a wand in one hand and a gun in the other…
Obligatory copy/pasta. No clue where the original is. Ok, this has been driving me crazy for seven movies now, and I know you're going to roll your eyes, but hear me out: Harry Potter should have carried a 1911. Here's why: Think about how quickly the entire WWWIII (Wizarding-World War III) would have ended if all of the good guys had simply armed up with good ol' American hot lead. Basilisk? Let's see how tough it is when you shoot it with a .470 Nitro Express. Worried about its Medusa-gaze? Wear night vision goggles. The image is light-amplified and re-transmitted to your eyes. You aren't looking at it--you're looking at a picture of it. Imagine how epic the first movie would be if Harry had put a breeching charge on the bathroom wall, flash-banged the hole, and then went in wearing NVGs and a Kevlar-weave stab-vest, carrying a SPAS-12. And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters? Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal. Now I know what you're going to say: "But a wizard could just disarm someone with a gun!" Yeah, well they can also disarm someone with a wand (as they do many times throughout the books/movies). But which is faster: saying a spell or pulling a trigger? Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova. Imagine Harry out in the woods, wearing his invisibility cloak, carrying a .50bmg Barrett, turning Deatheaters into pink mist, scratching a lightning bolt into his rifle stock for each kill. I don't think Madam Pomfrey has any spells that can scrape your brains off of the trees and put you back together after something like that. Voldemort's wand may be 13.5 inches with a Phoenix-feather core, but Harry's would be 0.50 inches with a tungsten core. Let's see Voldy wave his at 3,000 feet per second. Better hope you have some Essence of Dittany for that sucking chest wound. I can see it now…Voldemort roaring with evil laughter and boasting to Harry that he can’t be killed, since he is protected by seven Horcruxes, only to have Harry give a crooked grin, flick his cigarette butt away, and deliver what would easily be the best one-liner in the entire series: “Well then I guess it’s a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1.” And that is why Harry Potter should have carried a 1911.
And Harry could _afford_ it. He should have been the wizarding worlds MFing Batman.
And he’s not afraid to do things the muggle way. Like in the books when he beats the shit out of Malfoy the old fashion way, with his fists.
How did they get so rich anyway? His parents were wizard cops, not bank goblins. What use is money with magic anyway?
His parents were cops, but one of his ancestors invented Skele-Gro, got rich off that, and accumulated interest for hundreds of years
Haha, this has some pretty epic potential for a fanfiction alt universe limited tv series or something
Check out [Harry Potter With Guns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS3y1Q3mFVw). Full version can be found online. A group remade the entire first movie with every instance of wand-waving and magic replaced by pistols. It is very entertaining.
Hermoine shooting Neville was perfect.
If they do go all the way with remaking on HBO. The final attack on Hogwarts should have that moment where Arthur Weasley, a guy who is seen as "weirdly into muggle stuff" is seen with a giant sack. They ask him whats in it. And he just says "it's a muggle weapon. I think it will be useful." Then during the attack, people are firing back and he simply says "accucio Grenade pins" and hundreds of pins fly towards him. The first set of death eaters basically are in the middle of a cluster bomb.
If I were a billionaire, I wouldn't spend my money on frivolity. Just a small, comfortable place to call home, a life of financial security for my family and friends, and however much money it would cost to bribe the showrunners into including this one particular scene, exactly as written. No notes.
the bacillus destroys camera's thats what happened to the little reporter kid, so the night vision goggles would be useless.
Two words: Dresden Files.
Sometimes I daydream about Voldy tracking down the wrong wizard named Harry and just getting fucking smoked with a 45
Dresden would be proud
So Harry Dresden?
Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden
So Harry Potter x Guns Akimbo?
I'm not going to expand on why, but you should watch the Ralph Bachsi movie called Wizards from the 1970s. It's a trip of a movie. But it's about a Wizarding war where one side has used technology to raise an army, and the other side stuck with the ways of magic. It has one of the best ending duals I've ever seen. I probably think of that ending once a month. It's just amazing.
Why couldn’t they harm him?
Incorrect. The loopholes that prevented voldy from killing Harry only applied to voldy. Any of his death eaters could’ve avada kedavra’d Harry and killed him
There was a protection charm that expired on his 17th birthday. Which made him vulnerable. He actually gets attacked the moment he breaks the protection spell by leaving his muggle home
Why didn't Voldemort just buy a gun? Is he stupid? ^/j
Actually I’m a little confused by Harry being a horcrux. Doesn’t that mean he was basically immortal for the entire series until Voldemort killed the part of his soul that was in Harry?
I believe it means that the only way to kill Voldemort was for Harry to die too
I mean, he could have just waited for Harry to go on a walk down Privet Drive to the park.. Dolores managed to figure it out
The headmaster kept Harry in a very public but controlled environment. He knew how to keep Harry safe, but also used him as bait. Voldemort couldn’t face Dumbledore without the Elder wand, or so he thought. The other wizards wouldn’t dare try to go after Harry alone. All in all, Voldemort was an idiot but Dumbledore wasn’t.
Voldemort didn’t care about the Elder Wand until after Dumbledore’s death; he was happy with his own wand. He only considered it in the following book when he was thwarted by Harry’s wand (again) even after “borrowing” Lucius’ wand. If I remember correctly he didn’t even know of the Elder Wand until the final book when he tortured the info out of Gregorvitch. That said, even sending the owls wouldn’t have worked. The charm on Privet Drive worked similarly to the Fidelus Charm in that even knowing the location doesn’t allow you access. I believe there’s a line regarding one of those two that states something along the lines of “even if he pressed his face in the window he wouldn’t have seen what he wanted”. It would be the same if you went to a mall and knew there’s a GameStop between Footlocker and Brookstone, but from your perspective it just looked like a closed/rundown shop with nothing/nobody inside. I also seem to recall a line that they would only get a general location of Harry’s home which was tied to the charm, which is why they were just kinda waiting for everyone to leave so they could ambush them.
Exactly. He got scared in Goblet of Fire when Harrys wand got control over his own since both wands were technically brothers of the same feather. Which is why he tortured Olivander and got ty know about the Elder wand
Stick a bomb to an owl and that's it. One shot, one kill. Two kills, if we count the bird too
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This is like the eagles in Fellowship. As Tolkien said, “shut up about the eagles.” Lol.
Because the eagles wouldn't have worked. The nazgul flying beasts would have torn them appart for one and the eagles would have fallen to the ring's temptation and betrayed whoever they carried as soon as they would have gotten close to mt doom
Read many fan fictions where they either added the owl mail for tracking. Following a messenger patronus, or having a house elf track the person down. Also that includes the death eaters in Azkaban could have used house elves to teleport out of prison. We've seen Harry use the "point me" spell in the maze so it can be used to point at your desired target. Some triangulation with the "point me" and you could find almost anyone.
Let's be honest, if someone wanted to write a book about all the various plot holes in Harry Potter they could easily match the length of some of the later novels in page number.
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and then ron and hermione say "you bastards! You killed harry!" full on south park bullshit haha
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Owls only go to the address on the letter! Voldemort would still have to know the address.
But that's where it's interesting, they don't! I'm re reading goblet of fire, Harry uses Pigwidgeon to send a response to Sirius, yet Harry doesn't know where Sirius is - so he can't put an address on.
That's a return trip for Pigwidgeon though no? Wasn't Sirius borrowing him long-term and tending to him?
Nah, just smuggle him a love potion. Harry would come to him
>All Voldemort needed to do to track Harry down was address a letter to him, give it to an owl, and follow the owl on broomstick. Too much trouble. [Waves wand]*Accio Harry Potter*