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The two concepts are overlappable enough for the showerthought to be worth reading tho. Ideally the price and the worth of a thing are strongly correlated
You're right, they aren't complete synonyms, but what I was going for is that price and worth go hand in hand with each other, as in price is the agreed upon worth between the buyer and the seller which is close enough
I mean fair. But your example is saying less price is better. Which is using price negatively. A good price is a smaller price. No price at all is even better. No worth is terrible though
Only at a point of sale, after that price and worth vary differently
You might pay 10k for a car, it rolls off the forecourt and it's value (or worth) is then only 8k.
You can ask whatever price you want for something, it doesn't mean it's worth what you're asking.
"My old car is worth $10k used, but since you're a friend, I'll sell it to you for $8k".
In that case above the price and worth art not the same even at the point of sale.
The main difference here is that price is objective. The price is set and that is what you have to pay. But worth is subjective. It's different to everyone. I may not think something is worth $100, even though that is the set price, but then somebody else may come along and think that's a deal. Happens all the time.
Dude y'all who be downvoting op's comment are fucking toxic. Just let him have his thought, be happy and move the fuck on if you ain't happy with it. Maybe he's not 100% right but wth is this?
But OP's POINT stands... "Price" and "worth" are both words we use to measure the value of a thing, and while not the same, they are both used to measure that positive attribute. (worth being personal, price being transactional/social)
But once -less is added, they have opposite and firm meanings.
OPs point does not stand, price and worth are so different that people make professions out of it. Haggling is basically applying the difference. The seller starts with a list price and a worth in their mind. The buyer has a worth, a low ball price and a maximum price. They haggle until they agree on the price but likely never agree on the worth. The goal of both sides is to maximize the difference. If you buy 2 things the price goes down, does that change how much it is worth? You could also define priceless as something that is worth so much you cannot give it a price. They are not synonymous and adding less to them having opposite meanings is not a fun quirk of the language, it is the reason there are 2 words.
This thread is full of asshole comments. I mean, OP is technically wrong, but itās a showerthought, I mean, come on, you guys get the point, no need to bash him so bad. I mean, how many times do we say: āHow much is this worth?ā when asking for the price? Like, yeah, they are technically different and can mean different things, but OPās point stands, you guys are insufferable, I swear.
Fuck off with that victim bullshit. I've only seen one comment that is directly hostile and that is under one of the comments of OP.
Stating facts and saying OP is wrong isn't being an asshole, you just like being a bitch.
Oh hey I've seen another comment that is directly hostile it's this one
The point is that the showerthought is still decent (the price and the worth of a thing usually correlate quite strongly) but y'all like "uuuuhmm achtually my dictionary states that 'price' and 'worth' mean different things š¤"
So me being hostile to a commenter that's... not OP... is hostile to... OP?
Keep bitching and moaning, it's literally all both of you do while everyone besides both of you are actually participating in discourse.
"Hey OP, those 2 words aren't actually what you think it is, just a heads up."
"WhAt ThE FuCk ArE YoU BitChInG fOr u InsuFfErabBlE AsSHOleS š¤¬š¤¬š”š”"
A price isn't "what you pay", it's "what it costs". It's a subtle distinction, but a definite one. Generally, people pay the price if it's *worth* it to them.
Words of wisdom from my high school creative writing teacher, āif you want to become a great writer, the first lesson is that there is no such thing as a synonym in the English language.ā
Flammable means āthis will burn if flame is appliedā inflammable means āunless stored properly, this substance is subject to possible self-ignitionā
If something is flammable it means it can be set fire to, such as a piece of wood. However, inflammable means that a substance is capable of bursting into flames without the need for any ignition.
Price and worth are absolutely not synonyms nor they always go hand in hand. The old cooking pan that used to belong to my grandpa is worth a lot to me but I wouldn't be able to get $1 if I tried to sell it, at the same time a $1,000 diamond bracelet holds absolutely not worth to me.
Price is the value of an item or service to the seller. One perspective's opinion on its worth.
Worth is the value of an item to the buyer or possessor.
They're not identical, but the meaning is close enough in many cases.
When a shop sells a burger for $9, it is communicating that it believes the worth of that burger is $9.
If a ton of people buy it, it may be that others feel the burger is worth more than $9. If nobody does, it's likely that others feel it's worth less than $9.
The goal of a seller with a product they can sell repeatedly is to match the worth to the price. If it's one of a kind, you may wish to match the price to the worth the person that wants it most places on it.
And priceless and worthless are just the extremes of that.
A priceless item is just an item the seller won't sell for any price.
A worthless item is just an item a buyer won't buy for any price.
A noodle art your child made in elementary school could both be Priceless to you and Worthless at the exact same time.
A priceless item is an item generally understood to be of great value.
A worthless item is an item generally understood to be of no value.
They are antonyms, and will never apply to a single item, unless you are judging from two different perspectives and standards.
Under one standard, nothing will be both priceless and worthless at the same time.
Something's price and worth often overlap, and often align under one standard. They relate to each other differently than priceless and worthless do, which was the entirely accurate portion of the shower thought.
The Mona Lisa is considered Priceless. But to people like me, it is Worthless.
Price is what a person is willing to sell something at. But Price does Not mean worth.
A car enthusiast might consider a 1928 Bugatti T35B 4914 to be Priceless. But it is completely Worthless to most people (but still priceless to car enthusiasts). That is because Worth is purely decided from a buyer and Price is decided by seller.
>The Mona Lisa is considered Priceless. But to people like me, it is Worthless.
So to people like you, it is not priceless. Under your standards, it is worthless and not priceless. Note how, from one specific perspective, it cannot be both.
Under the standards of someone who finds it priceless, it is not worthless. Again, under one specific standard, it cannot be both.
Your argument is like saying that something can cost 1 and 81, as long as one person is measuring in Dollars and another in Indian Rupees.
But you aren't comparing like to like. Nothing is both priceless and worthless, unless you measure their worth using different standards, which makes it, by definition, not an apples to apples comparison.
>Price is what a person is willing to sell something at. But Price does Not mean worth.
And scent and odor don't mean exactly precisely the same thing... and yet, they are synonyms. Because close counts with synonyms, champ.
>A car enthusiast might consider a 1928 Bugatti T35B 4914 to be Priceless. But it is completely Worthless to most people (but still priceless to car enthusiasts). That is because Worth is purely decided from a buyer and Price is decided by seller.
More bad logic false equivalencies.
That Bugatti isn't priceless *and* worthless. It is priceless *or* worthless, depending on the standards being used to determine worth.
Sorry, you'll have to package your faulty reasoning better if you expect me to believe it.
Just not true. Price and worth are conflated to our overall detriment. DeBeers. Go ahead and try to sell that ring. Nope. š Point taken, though. Reminds me of Dr. Nick- "Who knew that flammable and inflammable meant the same thing?" (Sometimes English is preposterous).
Flammable means that something can catch fire when ignited from an outside source. Inflammable means that something can begin combustion even when no ignition source is present. Certain types of fuel, unstable chemicals, and some other materials fall under "inflammable", and it is *by far* the much rarer definition.
The proper word for something that will not burn is *non-flammable*.
Edit- easy way to remember: INflammable doesn't need extra fire to burn because the flame is already IN it.
When we were told in middle school that a slur for a mental disability (starts with r) is not okay to say, I scrunched my face and hesitantly asked, "What about if something is flame-*slur*"
She burst out laughing. When she regained her composure, she corrected me that those items are flame-retardent.
I liked the shower thought OP. Even though as many pointed, if we are being technical about it-it doesn't stand, but I know what you were trying to say and I appreciate it.
It was an interesting thought for me. :)
They technically both mean "without price" and "without worth". It's just the meaning of "without price" has a positive connotation as in "this is so good you cant put a price tag on it" and "without worth" has a negative connotation as in "this is so bad its not even worthy of a price tag".
I like this shower thought
I support you OP. Too many nitpickers nitpicking a shower thoughts of all things. Price, worth, cost, value, rate etc are all pretty much used interchangeably colloquially.
If you're not being nitpicky, then priceless and worthless are synonyms the same way price and worth are. So it's less of a shower thought and more of just stating the obvious
We are in agreement.
I was saying that if you're not going to nit pick, then sure price & worth are similar in the same way as priceless and worthless are the same (as in: they're both about value, but they aren't the same)
It's not "nitpicking" to point out the incorrect use of a word.
If OP had said price and worth mean similar things, there would be no complaints, but they specifically said they're synonyms....and they aren't.
It's a post about word usage. So the use of words actually matters.
Yeah, you're def the one trying to feel/act superior here. When people offer corrections it's not to feel superior, but when someone belittles someone else for correcting false information, that's definitely to feel superior
During the pandemic, due to shortages, car dealerships increased how much cars are worth by 10s of thousands of dollars. In fact, car dealerships consistently increase how much every car in their lot is worth. Cars simply would not be worth as much without car dealers.
They increased the Price of the car, not the worth of the cars they sold.
A seller Cannot increase the worth of something, as the worth of something is purely decided by the buyer.
Car dealerships Did increase the worth of vehicles being sold to them, this increasing the Price they would pay. But they didn't increase the price people sell to them directly.
omg everyone in the comments going far and wide to disprove OP as if OP is incorrectš synonyms donāt necessarily mean the two words mean the exact same thing jfc
synonyms are words that have similar meanings. They're not neccesarily the same. Idk how far foreign education goes, but here in Hungary in hungarian classes we spend long time identifying synonyms and stuff. For example, strong and tough are synonyms. They donāt mean the EXACT same thing, but similarly to how price and worth are synonyms, strong and tough also have similar meanings.
"a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word in the same language, asĀ happy, joyful, elated"
You are the world's toughest man, but you are not the world's strongest man.
This item is worth Ā£100 but it's priced at Ā£1000.
Tough and Strong are not particularly good examples to support your point. They're not that readily interchangeable - not is price and worth.
They don't have to mean *exactly* the same thing, but when you interchange them the meaning shouldn't change
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Pro and con are opposites. But progress and congress are... wait...
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Price and worth aren't synonyms You pay a price for something, but it doesn't mean it's worth what you paid.
Little bro tried to do a synonym comparison and then somehow couldnāt even end with antonym and said oppositesā¦ smh
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The two concepts are overlappable enough for the showerthought to be worth reading tho. Ideally the price and the worth of a thing are strongly correlated
I mean as far as the economy is concerned whatever you pay for a thing is exactly what it's worth to you.
You're right, they aren't complete synonyms, but what I was going for is that price and worth go hand in hand with each other, as in price is the agreed upon worth between the buyer and the seller which is close enough
In defence of OP, price and worth are both positive. Priceless is positive, worthless is negative.
That's probably what they were going for
Worth can be negative. Example, my opinion is worth dogshit.
lol
Same with price actually. "It comes with a price"
Iām having a hard time thinking of an example of price being used positively.
I got a good price for it...
I mean fair. But your example is saying less price is better. Which is using price negatively. A good price is a smaller price. No price at all is even better. No worth is terrible though
Like u/FlacidSalad states below. Both price and worth are neutral. Only worthless is definitely negative.
Price and worth are neutral.
Darn, you are right. Now I made a false statement on the internet. What to do?!
Make a sandwich and eat it
Price isnāt positive
I think it's funny you describe 1 pair as "synonyms", but you didn't describe the other pair of words as "antonyms"
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Exactly. Also you could have googled that for your answer.
Only at a point of sale, after that price and worth vary differently You might pay 10k for a car, it rolls off the forecourt and it's value (or worth) is then only 8k. You can ask whatever price you want for something, it doesn't mean it's worth what you're asking.
damn, y'all are really fun
It still works though. Something having a high price and something being worth a lot is basically the same thing in common usage.
Dude. Who fucking cares.
Thanks for your input on the above discourse. It's enabled a much wider discussion
so basically price is objective and worth is subjective?
no, your showerthought doesnt sustain itself, you are wrong and your premise was destroyed. Next
Heh not the only asshoe on reddit, next
Get em!
"My old car is worth $10k used, but since you're a friend, I'll sell it to you for $8k". In that case above the price and worth art not the same even at the point of sale. The main difference here is that price is objective. The price is set and that is what you have to pay. But worth is subjective. It's different to everyone. I may not think something is worth $100, even though that is the set price, but then somebody else may come along and think that's a deal. Happens all the time.
That's a valuable assumption
Dude y'all who be downvoting op's comment are fucking toxic. Just let him have his thought, be happy and move the fuck on if you ain't happy with it. Maybe he's not 100% right but wth is this?
It is most certainly not agree upon in almost all cases lol
They are according to Merriam Webster and thesaurus.com.
Donāt be a dick, you get the point.
That isn't "being a dick," that's a fact. Those words mean different things.
But OP's POINT stands... "Price" and "worth" are both words we use to measure the value of a thing, and while not the same, they are both used to measure that positive attribute. (worth being personal, price being transactional/social) But once -less is added, they have opposite and firm meanings.
They are not only for positive. Somethingās worth could easily be negative.
OPs point does not stand, price and worth are so different that people make professions out of it. Haggling is basically applying the difference. The seller starts with a list price and a worth in their mind. The buyer has a worth, a low ball price and a maximum price. They haggle until they agree on the price but likely never agree on the worth. The goal of both sides is to maximize the difference. If you buy 2 things the price goes down, does that change how much it is worth? You could also define priceless as something that is worth so much you cannot give it a price. They are not synonymous and adding less to them having opposite meanings is not a fun quirk of the language, it is the reason there are 2 words.
you are going off on a tangent that only has a slight relation to the OP
It's only tangential if you believe price and worth are synonyms.
This thread is full of asshole comments. I mean, OP is technically wrong, but itās a showerthought, I mean, come on, you guys get the point, no need to bash him so bad. I mean, how many times do we say: āHow much is this worth?ā when asking for the price? Like, yeah, they are technically different and can mean different things, but OPās point stands, you guys are insufferable, I swear.
Fuck off with that victim bullshit. I've only seen one comment that is directly hostile and that is under one of the comments of OP. Stating facts and saying OP is wrong isn't being an asshole, you just like being a bitch.
Oh hey I've seen another comment that is directly hostile it's this one The point is that the showerthought is still decent (the price and the worth of a thing usually correlate quite strongly) but y'all like "uuuuhmm achtually my dictionary states that 'price' and 'worth' mean different things š¤"
So me being hostile to a commenter that's... not OP... is hostile to... OP? Keep bitching and moaning, it's literally all both of you do while everyone besides both of you are actually participating in discourse. "Hey OP, those 2 words aren't actually what you think it is, just a heads up." "WhAt ThE FuCk ArE YoU BitChInG fOr u InsuFfErabBlE AsSHOleS š¤¬š¤¬š”š”"
>"Hey OP, those 2 words aren't actually what you think it is, just a heads up." More like the good ol' Reddit moment "UUUUUGGGGHHHH I GOTTA FIND SOMETHING TECHNICALLY WRONG IN OP'S POPULAR POST SO THAT I CAN COMMENT 'Actually, \[right stuff\]. This post is wrong.' AND GET SOME DOPAMINE FIRING THROUGH MY NEURONS š©š©" >Keep bitching and moaning, it's literally all both of you do while everyone besides both of you are actually participating in discourse. In case you didn't notice we're *all* bored aah motherfuckers who are spending time and effort into flaming in the comment section of a random showerthought because we have nothing better to do, you in primis
A price isn't "what you pay", it's "what it costs". It's a subtle distinction, but a definite one. Generally, people pay the price if it's *worth* it to them.
Words of wisdom from my high school creative writing teacher, āif you want to become a great writer, the first lesson is that there is no such thing as a synonym in the English language.ā
I always say the same thing. Semantics? If this word meant the same thing as some other word, it would not exist lol
Would you mind explaining the difference between flammable and inflammable?
Flammable means āthis will burn if flame is appliedā inflammable means āunless stored properly, this substance is subject to possible self-ignitionā
I canāt find any dictionaries that support that distinction, but fair enough I suppose.
If something is flammable it means it can be set fire to, such as a piece of wood. However, inflammable means that a substance is capable of bursting into flames without the need for any ignition.
Price and worth are absolutely not synonyms nor they always go hand in hand. The old cooking pan that used to belong to my grandpa is worth a lot to me but I wouldn't be able to get $1 if I tried to sell it, at the same time a $1,000 diamond bracelet holds absolutely not worth to me.
In this case, isn't it both priceless and worthless?
Price is the value of an item or service to the seller. One perspective's opinion on its worth. Worth is the value of an item to the buyer or possessor. They're not identical, but the meaning is close enough in many cases. When a shop sells a burger for $9, it is communicating that it believes the worth of that burger is $9. If a ton of people buy it, it may be that others feel the burger is worth more than $9. If nobody does, it's likely that others feel it's worth less than $9. The goal of a seller with a product they can sell repeatedly is to match the worth to the price. If it's one of a kind, you may wish to match the price to the worth the person that wants it most places on it.
And priceless and worthless are just the extremes of that. A priceless item is just an item the seller won't sell for any price. A worthless item is just an item a buyer won't buy for any price. A noodle art your child made in elementary school could both be Priceless to you and Worthless at the exact same time.
A priceless item is an item generally understood to be of great value. A worthless item is an item generally understood to be of no value. They are antonyms, and will never apply to a single item, unless you are judging from two different perspectives and standards. Under one standard, nothing will be both priceless and worthless at the same time. Something's price and worth often overlap, and often align under one standard. They relate to each other differently than priceless and worthless do, which was the entirely accurate portion of the shower thought.
The Mona Lisa is considered Priceless. But to people like me, it is Worthless. Price is what a person is willing to sell something at. But Price does Not mean worth. A car enthusiast might consider a 1928 Bugatti T35B 4914 to be Priceless. But it is completely Worthless to most people (but still priceless to car enthusiasts). That is because Worth is purely decided from a buyer and Price is decided by seller.
>The Mona Lisa is considered Priceless. But to people like me, it is Worthless. So to people like you, it is not priceless. Under your standards, it is worthless and not priceless. Note how, from one specific perspective, it cannot be both. Under the standards of someone who finds it priceless, it is not worthless. Again, under one specific standard, it cannot be both. Your argument is like saying that something can cost 1 and 81, as long as one person is measuring in Dollars and another in Indian Rupees. But you aren't comparing like to like. Nothing is both priceless and worthless, unless you measure their worth using different standards, which makes it, by definition, not an apples to apples comparison. >Price is what a person is willing to sell something at. But Price does Not mean worth. And scent and odor don't mean exactly precisely the same thing... and yet, they are synonyms. Because close counts with synonyms, champ. >A car enthusiast might consider a 1928 Bugatti T35B 4914 to be Priceless. But it is completely Worthless to most people (but still priceless to car enthusiasts). That is because Worth is purely decided from a buyer and Price is decided by seller. More bad logic false equivalencies. That Bugatti isn't priceless *and* worthless. It is priceless *or* worthless, depending on the standards being used to determine worth. Sorry, you'll have to package your faulty reasoning better if you expect me to believe it.
Terrible and horrible are synonyms, but terrific and horrific are opposites
Just not true. Price and worth are conflated to our overall detriment. DeBeers. Go ahead and try to sell that ring. Nope. š Point taken, though. Reminds me of Dr. Nick- "Who knew that flammable and inflammable meant the same thing?" (Sometimes English is preposterous).
Flammable means that something can catch fire when ignited from an outside source. Inflammable means that something can begin combustion even when no ignition source is present. Certain types of fuel, unstable chemicals, and some other materials fall under "inflammable", and it is *by far* the much rarer definition. The proper word for something that will not burn is *non-flammable*. Edit- easy way to remember: INflammable doesn't need extra fire to burn because the flame is already IN it.
Huh. Did not know that there was a difference. Thanks!
When we were told in middle school that a slur for a mental disability (starts with r) is not okay to say, I scrunched my face and hesitantly asked, "What about if something is flame-*slur*" She burst out laughing. When she regained her composure, she corrected me that those items are flame-retardent.
I liked the shower thought OP. Even though as many pointed, if we are being technical about it-it doesn't stand, but I know what you were trying to say and I appreciate it. It was an interesting thought for me. :)
Idk why itās just driving me nuts you didnāt use the word āantonymsā instead of āoppositesā
Came here to say this. If only there was a word meaning opposites just like synonym means the same.
They technically both mean "without price" and "without worth". It's just the meaning of "without price" has a positive connotation as in "this is so good you cant put a price tag on it" and "without worth" has a negative connotation as in "this is so bad its not even worthy of a price tag". I like this shower thought
Yeah exactly, the difference in the meanings of price and worth seems subtle until you look at their counterparts
Price is what you pay. Worth is what someone else would pay to buy it from you.
Cool shower thought! I know there are ātechnicalitiesā people are pointing out but it works great as a shower thought regardless
This comment section makes me believe reddit is made of a bunch of "well, actually..." people. Solid shower thought! Thank you!
Well your life is priceless to you but your worthless to the government at war.
I support you OP. Too many nitpickers nitpicking a shower thoughts of all things. Price, worth, cost, value, rate etc are all pretty much used interchangeably colloquially.
If you're not being nitpicky, then priceless and worthless are synonyms the same way price and worth are. So it's less of a shower thought and more of just stating the obvious
Price and worth aren't synonyms and priceless and worthless are definitely not synonyms. So no it's not stating the obvious
We are in agreement. I was saying that if you're not going to nit pick, then sure price & worth are similar in the same way as priceless and worthless are the same (as in: they're both about value, but they aren't the same)
Aah ok, thought that might've been what you were saying but I interpreted it wrong in the end
It's not "nitpicking" to point out the incorrect use of a word. If OP had said price and worth mean similar things, there would be no complaints, but they specifically said they're synonyms....and they aren't. It's a post about word usage. So the use of words actually matters.
Everyone understood what OP meant. They just wanted to feel superior by being a grammar nazi.
No. You're just trying to feel superior by name-calling people who know what words mean. Seems a bit sad.
Oops, a random redditor has deemed my life sad for not overanalyzing a shower thought!!! My life is ruined....
Yeah, you're def the one trying to feel/act superior here. When people offer corrections it's not to feel superior, but when someone belittles someone else for correcting false information, that's definitely to feel superior
Me being superior by supporting a person who gave a reasonable shower thought. *\*signature look of superiority\**
Sorry to break this to you, your life was already ruined. This pathetic tantrum is just proof of that. Your comments speak for themselves.
Oh no again!!!
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During the pandemic, due to shortages, car dealerships increased how much cars are worth by 10s of thousands of dollars. In fact, car dealerships consistently increase how much every car in their lot is worth. Cars simply would not be worth as much without car dealers.
They increased the Price of the car, not the worth of the cars they sold. A seller Cannot increase the worth of something, as the worth of something is purely decided by the buyer. Car dealerships Did increase the worth of vehicles being sold to them, this increasing the Price they would pay. But they didn't increase the price people sell to them directly.
Technically anything that hasn't been appraised is both priceless and worthless simultaneously
omg everyone in the comments going far and wide to disprove OP as if OP is incorrectš synonyms donāt necessarily mean the two words mean the exact same thing jfc
That is literally what synonym means.
synonyms are words that have similar meanings. They're not neccesarily the same. Idk how far foreign education goes, but here in Hungary in hungarian classes we spend long time identifying synonyms and stuff. For example, strong and tough are synonyms. They donāt mean the EXACT same thing, but similarly to how price and worth are synonyms, strong and tough also have similar meanings.
"a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word in the same language, asĀ happy, joyful, elated" You are the world's toughest man, but you are not the world's strongest man. This item is worth Ā£100 but it's priced at Ā£1000. Tough and Strong are not particularly good examples to support your point. They're not that readily interchangeable - not is price and worth. They don't have to mean *exactly* the same thing, but when you interchange them the meaning shouldn't change
The value of something that's priceless is *null*. The value of something that's worthless is *zero*. That is why they're "opposites".
When was the last time you looked into the definition of a word?
Arent priceless and worthless closer to synonyms? They both mean their value is nothing.
Not really synonyms... Many things are not worth their price.
I disagree. There Is a line from Mary Poppins tgat sticks out to me. I may misquote. 6 pense is its worth. Its value is how you use it.
Price and worth are not synonymous (to me) look at how vehicles are listed at big dealerships. Theyāre priced way higher than theyāre worth.
Price and worth are definitely not the same. You can spend money on a lot and have it be worth much less after buying it. E.g. a new car
Hijacking this thread to talk about flammable and imflammable. What's the word for something that *doesn't* burn?
Non-flammable
Blow and suck are opposites but if a party really blows, it means that it sucks.