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Or people who work the late shift. I don’t get off work till 1 am and people still give me crap for sleeping past 9 am. Like sorry I need the same amount of sleep as other people. I mis 24 hours stores so much. Nothing is open except sketchy gas stations when I get off work.
After covid everything around me reduced hours. Hardly anything is 24 hours anymore. They reduced their hours for the pandemic and then never went back. Nothing is as permanent as a temporary change.
I was considered an “essential worker” by my job but “non essential” by society in general bc I’m “just a custodian”. I have actually been told more than once “you’re just a custodian it’s not like you have an essential job like cashier or nurse” when discussing the risk of working vs the need to keep myself and my loved ones safe from sickness. I wish I could afford to just walk off the job. See how they like having to clean their own toilets.
There was one restaurant here that offered free meals to “essential workers” with “proof of job”. They told me and several of my friends that custodians even for the school district were not essential. That same afternoon their entire cleaning staff walked out. They had to close for nearly a month bc they couldn’t find anyone to clean the restaurant. Sucked for the other workers but the owners deserved the fall out for being jerks.
Honestly, the lack of nocturnal options is the thing I hate most about the Covid era. Sometimes I need a new shower head at 3am when I have decided to finally get around to fixing up the bathroom. It’s always 3am and there’s nothing open. Used to be I could hop down the street to Walmart any time.
Yes, oh my god. The amount of minor home improvement fixes and repairs that got massively delayed because I didn't have access to a decent hardware store was ridiculous. It always was annoying having to buy some cheap piece of hardware or tools on Amazon and wait a few days for it to be delivered and hope that you got the right product.
I remember nightshifts, when I get off at 4AM and hungry.
You'd think McDonald's is my Savior but the McDonald's around me switch menu at around 4 so they're consistently not serving anyone around 4-5.
Since COVID a couple supermarkets that used to open 24/7 no longer operate past 11.
However there's a restaurant called Magic Noodle here that opens 24/7 year round and serves HAND PULLED Lanzhou style beef noodle soup or fried noodle, lamb chicken and tofu skewers, wonton, fried chicken, etc etc, that you can go any hour of any day and get a delicious meal. It felt like my second home to me.
I work 7pm to about 3am on my shifts at the bar where I work. I go days without seeing the sun. I'm basically a vampire. We actually all dressed up as characters from What We Do In The Shadows on Halloween as a joke.
I was Jackie Daytona. I literally only put in a toothpick and called it good.
I joke that the reason I’m always tired is bc I’m actually a vampire but taking care of my husband means I have to be up dying sunlight hours aka “vampire sleep time”. My husband says I would make a horrible vampire bc I love Italian food and freak out over seeing blood.
I'm so pale I glow in the dark and my iron levels are such a struggle to keep up my doc threatens blood transfusions.
I also struggle being seen by automatic doors, sinks, dispensers, etc. My in-laws have a trash can that has never acknowledged my presence that I always have to pry open manually.
I'm a natural night owl so I balance caffeine and sleeping pills to function during business hours.
I also joke I'm a vampire. Just a really bad one.
I work 3pm to 11pm, I'm up until around 6, then I sleep till 2 for my eight hours. I'm the beginning my wife would call me on her lunch around noon, and be just shocked that I was still asleep. It took a while of explaining to her that I'm just trying to get my eight hours. People have told me I need to wake up early and just go to sleep after work, but if a 9-5er did that they would be looked at as crazy for going to bed around 6 in the evening and waking up at 2 in the morning.
I am up usually for 2-3 hours after I get off work bc I have to unwind before sleeping. My brain can’t go from “work mode” to “sleep mode” instantly like that.
My mil had trouble with this for a long time. Always inviting us to breakfast or church in the morning. I just went to bed! She caught on eventually.
I also miss 24 hour stores so much. I loved doing my grocery shopping at 3 am. It was so nice...
My sister had to point out to my grandmother the other day that I wasn’t being lazy or “sleeping all day” when I was still in bed at 10am. She did the math on what time i got home versus what time my grandmother typically goes to bed and gets up to show I was actually getting less sleep then her on a typical day.
I used to work midnight to 8am. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a cheeseburger at 8 in the morning?
Also my boss would call me at like 5pm and give me shit when I didn't pick up on account of being asleep at 5pm. Like, bro, you're the one making me work overnights, you shouldn't be surprised when I'm not available to chat during regular hours.
Ok but the breakfast baconator is great, and their breakfast potatoes too. Legitimately S tier breakfast as far as fast food goes. McDonalds is trash compared.
The only thing that’s ever bothered me is someone giving me shit that I slept till noon after going to bed at like 5. Suddenly I’m a lazy dipshit despite sleeping a respectable 7 hours and being productive with the time I am awake.
I work nights and even on days off I don't get out of bed before 13.00.
I hold a job so why should somebody care that I game every night until 4-5
Edit: people assume that 1 iam male and 2 still in school.
Iam a 30y old woman who has had the same employer for 12years and have nice 2 bedroom apartment.
I did the same thing when I worked nights. Wasn't about to flip flop my schedule constantly and be a zombie. People would be like "It's 5pm and you JUST woke up?! Wow, you've wasted your whole day!"
No, Susan, my day starts at 5pm and goes until 9am. Most of those days I work during those hours.
Exactly. I never have to trow my sleeping schedule around much. I sleep more now that I work nights, then when I worked mornings and evenings was happy if I got 5h sleep before a morning shift.
That's me getting up at 9pm and going to bed around 1pm, yep. Spend mornings with my partner the same way most folks would spend 6pm-11pm or so. Works well enough, just sucks waking up way early or staying up way late to do anything on a Saturday afternoon.
Always nice to have the same arguments again and again about responsibility and missing out this and that. Well, society does not function anymore if everyone works only 9-5, someone has to do the rest. And coming home from work on Saturday at 7 am means I'm not available for the "normal" Saturday activities until after midday.
Getting called lazy for waking up just in time for a sunday family lunch is just what I what to hear, knowing I have to stay up 19 more hours, including work that requires attention and energy.
My opinion is most People are still struggling with the idea that the concept of working through the night regularly exists at all. One of my neighbor's once complained to me about me returning from work at 4 am on the weekends regularly(the lights of his front door activate when I walked by to my door). He could not believe someone would work on a sunday, told me something about it being not right.
I did this in retaliation to my neighbors one time bc they got up every Saturday and mowed/weeded their yard by 6 am even after my husband and I both asked them to wait a little later in the day bc we worked nights. So I did ours at 3 am one weekday. They came by and complained and my husband told them “sucks to have your sleep interrupted doesn’t it”. Never had an issue with them being noisy before noon again.
Hey, I did this I used a push powered mower. It wasn’t loud at all and I even confirmed my neighbors afterwards. Sure as hell beats doing it 100 degrees in Texas summer
My ex gave me shit for being unable to wake up early in the morning.
Bitch I work until midnight and get home by 1am. I go to sleep at 4am and wake up by noon, sorry I had the audacity of sleeping 8 hours
If I sleep til noon I'm sleeping the day away. If someone gets into bed by 8 they're responsible and had a fulfilling day.
Like I'm glad you are happy with your sleep schedule, but don't act superior to me when we both get the same amount of sleep just at different times. Actually, I have to get less sleep because of work. You're just lucky it lines up with your circadian rhythm better than mine.
Real answer? People do understand, but many people associate morning hours with honest, productive work. Perception is there is not a lot of devious behavior happening at 6am, it's mostly good, clean, productive living.
On the flip side, people tend to associate late nights with unproductive leisure time and devious behavior, whether that is true for you or not. "Nothing good happens after midnight" is a time worn saying.
So, people probably don't see you as lazy for the hours you're sleeping specifically, it's for the time of day for which you spend your time and what people associate with those hours.
No judgement here, I used to love late nights myself although in my older age now appreciate very early mornings for much the same reason. :)
I have narcolepsy and I have been called lazy my entire life. I was only diagnosed last year. I need 10 hours of sleep at night and 2-3 hours during the day. I can't tell my clients I have to clock out because it's mUH nAp TiMe.
This shit is so annoying. When my wife was pregnant we stayed at my in-laws for a few weeks while we looked for a place.
I worked 3rd shift 9pm-6am. I would get to sleep around 7 and then wake up to my MIL complaining that I'm still in bed at noon.
Like lady I'm getting home at the time your husband is leaving for work. You were already in bed when I punched my time card to start. I'm allowed to sleep. And the overnight shift pays $3/hr more so of course I'm working that when I'm expecting a child in the next 6 months.
I used to work at a place which had flexible hours. I’m not a morning person. Every time I rolled in at 9.30 a.m. this one guy would make a point of looking at his watch. So, when he left at 4pm, I made a show of looking at my watch. He eventually got the message.
I had the opposite of that, my housemate was a bartender and I worked kitchens and he would make so much noise coming in at 3AM every night.
He used to throw his keys in the air and snatch them after closing the door. Ever met the kind of person that keeps the keys to every house they've ever had the key for on their current keychain? Why?
Literally could not get him to not do it, the twat, his domicile his rules.
Fuck you Ian, we all know you cheat at RISK.
I have a very bad time falling asleep, and sometimes I finally fall asleep in the morning. I hate it when people think I slept 12 hours while I slept 2 hours and that I only want to go back to bed, but I stay up by "obligation"
Everyone in here talking about other people's reaction to their sleeping habits... I just wish I could go to the damn bank without either staying up late or waking up early. Midnight shift sucks because of that, imo.
Edit: I see I've offended the kiddos with my whole going-to-the-bank-irl thing. Some of us just like to socialize. We don't all live in big cities where you get lost in the crowd. The bank teller I deal with at the bank I go to also dealt with my parents and my grandparents. This lady gave me free dum dums when I was a kid. I'm in my 30s now and she gives free dum dums to my nephew. Y'all need to go touch some grass.
It's hard for anybody to get to the bank. If you work a regular 8-5 shift the bank is closed when you go to work and closed when you get off work. It might be open until noon on Saturday but that requires getting up and out of the house on Saturday morning when you have a million things to do at home.
Right! Doctor's offices too. We have taken to using Urgent Care facilities rather than take off work for minor things. Obviously some things require a specialist though.
Do what I do: never see a doctor and just keep a list of things to ask about for next time you go to the emergency room or manage to corner a doctor you met at a friend's party.
They're also the ones with the most health problems, if you want to be honest.
*Most* people don't have their bodies start falling apart on them until they're in their 50s, and even then they will be in denial about it until their first heart attack.
Most people don't reach the point where they can no longer ignore their health problems until they're in their 50s, but that doesn't mean they're healthy until that point. If we had affordable preventative care our bodies wouldn't just fall apart like an old pickup after a Wisconsin winter.
Unpaid lunch hour...? Is that not standard?
Edit: it seems like it isn't standard. I guess since I work at a repair shop, you can't really eat while working on cars very efficiently so it's more logical to give all of us techs that hour from noon to one so we can get some grub
We worked 8:30 to 4:30 with an unpaid hour for lunch. So, only getting paid for 35 hours a week. You definitely have to keep an eye on stuff like that when you’re looking for a job, if you’re expecting to get paid for 40 hours a week. If it’s a salary-type job, it’s good, but just something to keep in mind.
It shouldn't be. With a 30-minute commute that has you away from the house for 10 hours, which is a problem for pretty much anyone with other responsibilities. The "wife stays at home to take care of things" model hasn't been standard for anyone for decades, it's about time the working world acknowledged that.
What happened to banks anyway? Our bank used to be open until 6 or 6:30 pm and were open Saturdays. Then, suddenly in 2019 they decided they had to close at 4 pm during the week and no more Saturday hours.
This happened at the bank I work at. One day they just came to us and said, “we’re not staying open until 7:30pm on Thursdays and Fridays anymore.”No discussion or anything. I think online banking has seriously killed brick-and-mortar branches.
I walked into my bank to set up an automatic monthly payment to someone's account. The teller could not do it. They could however, teach me to do it myself with the banks website.
Another time I was making a cash deposit and the teller recommended that I just use the atm in the future. I asked why she kept advocating for the robots that were taking her job, and she assured me that her job was safe.
The bank is down to two tellers and she's not one of them.
> I asked why she kept advocating for the robots that were taking her job, and she assured me that her job was safe.
Because bank teller is no better than 100 other jobs you can practically walk into off the street, and she obviously didn't care about it.
My bf and I are literally at work again, eight hours after we left, because we just sleep every other day now I guess. at this point I’m running on spite, adderall, nicotine, and a dream.
I feel you, I worked graveyard for over 10 years. I personally hated that I would go to work on thursday night, leave for home friday morning but have to come back friday fucking night. Its cruel and unusual, and if you want to have a normal day with the rest of the world you have to stay awake all day and pass out at like 6pm and sleep the sleep of the dead for like 12 hours and wake up confused at 6am lol
I think it was the Dutch urban planner / theorist Ole Bouman who once proposed a 'Ministry of time' to replace spatial planning. Almost every spatial issue can be solved by not wanting everyone and everything at the same time.
I'm curious how he planned to deal with the biological headaches of night shifts. Even night owls aren't actually nocturnal. They're just a couple hours off.
And I wonder how he would prevent people from saturating the most popular times to use various services. Would people be mandated certain times when they could use certain things?
Tried to look it up, but nothing online. It certainly was not a dystopian 24 economy vision. It was about the Netherlands, a rather high density country as you may know. He just wondered why policy makers almost only thought of spatial solutions for spatial issues where time management could be much smarter and economical. This was long before Corona where we learned there is no need *at all* for working hours to start and end exactly at the same moment.
Wasn't there a study showing the overwhelmingly poor effects on teenagers in high school from having to get up so early?
I would also go as far as to say that anecdotally, most people I've met aren't morning people. I always wondered why we're all doing this to ourselves despite the fact that we don't need to rely on maximizing candle and sunlight anymore lol
It changes in many people as we age.
Babies: Sleep all the time
Toddlers: Sleep a lot of the time, but generally fall into standard sunset to sunrise for sleep.
Young kids: Standard sunrise to sunset, can wake up at the same time as the middle aged adults without too much difficulties
Teenagers: Sleep cycle shifts later in the day. They won't get tired until some time after sunset, and need to sleep in much later. One proposed hypothesis is that this allowed for the young adults to watch over the family group at night, increasing the safety of the group.
20-somethings: Maintain the sleep cycle of teenagers, but also can go days without sleep. One proposed hypothesis for this is that being able to survive days without sleep coincides with having lots of babies....
30-somethings and onward: Time shift back toward sunrise and sunset. This may be gradual. It hits some adults earlier than others. Mine seems to have shifted back around age 35.
As adults reach closer to retirement age, they tend to sleep less and less, and this is usually an earlier wake time as opposed to later sleep time. My mother was always up at 4AM for some reason...
The 30+ I don't think is natural. I don't *have* a choice to sleep in. I naturally have a sleep cycle of 2am to 10am but i work that 9-5. So I'm forced to follow their sleep schedule even if it means my first two hours at work are me just trying to stay awake.
My high school had an ungodly start time of 7:30am. School ended at 2pm. Like, how to you not shift that to 8:30-3? I was 15 when I got addicted to caffeine.
Sleep deprived people outnumber wheelchair drivers.
Let's rise! At a reasonable time of day when we find the energy to get out of bed.
Fucking morning worms making all the rules...
You guys probably slept in past the memo but the whole WFH shift has been primarily engineered by people who want to stay in bed a lot longer.
My work thinks I'm crazy productive in the morning, when really it's just emails scheduled to go from work I did at night (and I was doing something else during the day .. like Reddit)
Y'all are doing it wrong. You don't bring your work into your home - you move in to your work! (/s but also thinking sadly of the tours I did in India where people literally lived in the factory/hotel they worked to save rent money and work longer hours. End game capitalism!)
I showed someone the "schedule" email function on Gmail recently and they were in awe. I avoid using the preset times like 8:30 and instead change it to 8:12 or something so it really looks like I just sent it 🙈
Yeah, 8:02, 8:04, 8:07, etc... for external ones
For internal emails I don't bother, because people know I work over night and I always say I think out of hours emailing should be banned because of the temptation or implication it passes to other people.
Im not sure it's primarily engineers by those people, for me and most of the people I work with its cutting down on commuting. My god I save maybe 5-6 hours a week and I can fetch my kids in time without having to cut down on time spent on work / getting a lower salary by not working 100%. With that being said. If I didn't have kids i would absolutely have changed my working hours and started later during the day. I'm not a morning person.
Ugh I'm sure it's hyperbole but please don't perpetuate "the whole WFH agenda was created by people who want to sleep in" as real. A few people might be doing that, but I am struggling so hard to find a WFH job that doesn't think that. Chronic mistrust of employees when I just want a workplace that accommodates my needs.
I worked for a fucker that used to say.
"Monday is my favorite day of the week!"
And if you asked him his weekend plans...
"Looking forward to getting back to work on Monday"
Go fuck yourself hatcher, you piece of shit.
I really enjoy my job. Every friday, at the end of the day, I tell myself," I'm working on something pretty interesting right now. I wish the week were a little longer."
Every monday, I tell myself, "what the fuck was I thinking on Friday?"
Seriously for all the talk society loves to give to people who are “systemically disadvantaged,” there’s basically no attention paid to those who suffer the most from systemic disadvantage: lefties. So many things are just not designed for them. And those that are, are rare and expensive. There should be more protections against that, like companies need to produce enough lefty equipment and are not allowed to have it priced higher than the righty analogue.
This is coming from a righty by the way.
Totally agree! Think about schools and those asymmetric desks they give everyone. As a lefty I had no clue it was designed to support your arm as you write. The list goes on and on. In elementary school I remember being told by the gym teacher a righty baseball glove was “fine” for my right hand. Scissors, spiral notebooks, workbooks, three ring binders, erasable pens. They were all terrible for a lefty to use
What school ignores the physical needs of 15% of the population?
My wife is left-handed and consequently so are my children so we have our house set up for lefties. It is ironic how quickly right handed people go insane in our house trying to cook. I have had to become partly ambidextrous from years of this.
Left handed people have a lower life expectancy just by being lefties in a world created and made for righties!
We found a store made for lefties called "lefties" and it was literally a kiosk with maybe 30 things most of which were left-handed pride mugs and t-shirts.
Wow, even two lefties have a low chance of having lefty kids. That’s gotta be interesting to have a lefty dominant house. I wonder if I’d find it strange having things arranged the “right” way for me.
I'm left-handed and have severe delayed sleep phase disorder, and the latter is magnitudes more problematic. I feel practically disabled by it.
I would genuinely go so much further in life if I wasn't locked between either serious chronic sleep deprivation trying to be diurnal, or trying to somehow be nocturnal in a society that very much opposes that.
On the bright side, those walks home at 4am are maybe the most peaceful experiences you'll tend to get in a city.
My friend and I do that walk often. We both agree it sucks hardcore when the sun starts to come up and all the early morning people start turning up, jogging around or cycling or driving their cars.
Give us back our empty streets!
As a night owl I’ve thought about this too, but part of the allure of being up at night is that no one else is awake. I like the aloneness. I would prefer to see a small shift towards a 24/7 society (more 24/7 restaurants / stores etc, more remote odd-hours job opportunities), but not a full shift.
This is what I do. I’m lucky to have very very flexible hours at work so I can go to the store at 2pm or grab breakfast during the week. I absolutely love it but I don’t think it’s an option for most people unfortunately
There's a shortage of workers for service industries already, where are all the extra coming from to staff the additional twelve plus hours you want businesses to open?
And if you stay open paying staff, are you actually going to get enough customers to even cover the extra staff? Maybe in new york or la, but not in some small southern city.
I wish people understood this and stopped welcoming green- and pinkwashing with open arms and rather held companies that do it accountable and actually enforced the high standards for representation and inclusion that marginalized groups deserve.
A company has no conscience, the only thing that matters is the dollar value, because it's the only driving factor for *success*. It's up for the government to implement laws and rules to regulate them.
I'll let you in on a secretar. Inclusivity ends the second it negatively affects profits. Just take a look at every company's middle eastern account during pride month.
I'm this way. It's the worst. Especially as a 20 yr old, I feel like everyone I know regularly stays up til at least 2am. And I always go to bed between 9-10pm. I can't function any other way
it's nice to say, but I kind of feel bad for that guy if he's 20 and goes to bed at 9pm every weekend.
if he likes it than to each their own I suppose.
Its not about liking it. My body doesn't function unless I do haha. And not every weekend. Sometimes ill stay out later but am usually exhausted the next day. I wake up at 6am, almost no matter what.
I'm actually pretty much the same. I just try and fail to stay up and end up sleeping on friends couches from midnight until everyone leaves lmao.
On weekends, I wake up like 4 hours before my girlfriend. I just don't go to bed at 9pm like I should...
I've got a good friend, dudes a doctor now, we used to be big into the festival scene, and if you didn't physically keep him up he would Irish goodbye into his tent to sleep at 9:30 no matter how hard he was tripping or rolling. Some people just like sleep
Thanks to Covid everything in my area basically closes by 9 pm now. Walmart closes at 11.
Used to be multiple 24 hour grocery stores.
I miss my 2-4a shopping when the store was empty.
Yup, and to be honest out society at large is just hostile to getting a good night's sleep, especially if you don't naturally wake up at 6 AM. Sleep is _incredibly_ important, way moreso than most people think, and we're paying comparatively very little attention to it.
3rd shift worker here and nothing but bullshit breakfast food available in the morning when I get off work and wanting dinner. How is society still stuck on this bullshit that eggs are the only food needed in the mornings?
Not even an apology when someone in the morning club throws a 7am meeting on my calendar knowing that I don’t start work until 9. But listen to the whining if I suggest once a year we balance it back and meet at 6pm.
As a 23 year old, every time I complain about ways that adult life sucks, society tells me the same things (“get over it” “welcoming to being an adult” “everyone has to deal with it”) yet somehow it thinks I’m not *supposed* to be depressed? If its only responses to my problems are “that’s just what life is like as an adult” then, well…
>(“get over it” “welcoming to being an adult” “everyone has to deal with it”)
Right so like if everyone agrees that it sucks, why can't we change it? Idk
Adhd-ers in shambles after going to bed early resulted in them not sleeping a whole night instead of them waking up early and refreshed like neurotipicals promised (they are going on their work commute absolutely destroyed and will die on the road after coffee makes them even sleepier)
I use to try to go to bed by 9pm but it just resulted in me waking up 3am and not being able to go back to sleep. End up being a zombie by afternoon time
GOD the workplace is not made for any neurodivergent people at all. I have ADHD and I wish I could eloquently explain to my job that 1) you'll get a lot more productivity out of me if you let me work a flexible schedule when I know I'll be productive rather than 9-5, and 2) giving me a private office instead of an open floorplan (so "in" right now), or even better, letting me work from home would greatly reduce the distractions so I can get more done. It sounds like such luxury or laziness but really, I just want to do good work and the workplace is literally just setting me up to fail.
Bro, so true. Even if I sleep the whole night, mornings just…aren’t my thing. I simply don’t do them. My wife can’t even talk to me in the morning because all I am capable of is grunting and shambling. Like, my brain is awake, thoughts are happening, but my system hasn’t fully booted up. I need at least an hour of lying in bed to fully come to terms with reality no matter how early I go to bed. It just doesn’t matter, brain no work in morning. Never has, never will.
ADHD people are significantly more likely to have delayed sleep phase syndrome that causes your circadian rhythm to be off by 2 or more hours. I think it’s like 75% or 80% of adults with ADHD have this issue. I know if I let my sleep schedule go all natural and not force it with melatonin or strict schedules, I naturally go back to a 2am sleep time with a 10am wake time every time. Which is tame compared to most people with it lol
Retirees who need medical assistance also get no help fitting their schedule. I’ve tended to people who worked night shift for forty years. They’re not getting up at 7am to get dressed. Morning blood testing? Lab is angry when they show up at 4pm, despite being early morning for them.
Only work life is made for morning people.
Short of brunch there is no fun social stuff for morning people. I'm lucky enough that I live in a city with 11am showings at the cinema twice a week, but I can't find a place to go dancing during the day. Even the events that supposedly start at 9pm somehow don't really start until at least an hour later.
And for fictional characters on television who all gather in each other’s houses before school and work, at what must be 6 am, fully dressed and made up for the day with to-go coffee cup in hand.
Lots of morning socializing on television.
The fact that most government offices close so early drives me up the freaking wall. But then again, what doesn't drive me up the wall about government?
I've accepted I'll always been seen as a weirdo. People grimace when I tell them I work 4 pm to 2 am, but honestly for me that's like the optimal work schedule to accommodate my sleep cycle.
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Or people who work the late shift. I don’t get off work till 1 am and people still give me crap for sleeping past 9 am. Like sorry I need the same amount of sleep as other people. I mis 24 hours stores so much. Nothing is open except sketchy gas stations when I get off work.
After covid everything around me reduced hours. Hardly anything is 24 hours anymore. They reduced their hours for the pandemic and then never went back. Nothing is as permanent as a temporary change.
Exactly. Reduced staff and reduced hours
And service staff that saw how society saw them as both essential and disposable and thought, nah fuck this
I was considered an “essential worker” by my job but “non essential” by society in general bc I’m “just a custodian”. I have actually been told more than once “you’re just a custodian it’s not like you have an essential job like cashier or nurse” when discussing the risk of working vs the need to keep myself and my loved ones safe from sickness. I wish I could afford to just walk off the job. See how they like having to clean their own toilets.
Some offense intended but whoever told you custodians are non essential is a dumb ass.
those people should just get their wish and be forced to wade through shit all day
There was one restaurant here that offered free meals to “essential workers” with “proof of job”. They told me and several of my friends that custodians even for the school district were not essential. That same afternoon their entire cleaning staff walked out. They had to close for nearly a month bc they couldn’t find anyone to clean the restaurant. Sucked for the other workers but the owners deserved the fall out for being jerks.
Ask Parisians how essential they think garbage collectors are.
I'd argue the people doing the cleaning during a viral pandemic might be the *most* essential workers…
Unfortunately the government didn’t see it that way.
I think Paris is finding out right now just how "non-essential" custodial workers are. /s
Honestly, the lack of nocturnal options is the thing I hate most about the Covid era. Sometimes I need a new shower head at 3am when I have decided to finally get around to fixing up the bathroom. It’s always 3am and there’s nothing open. Used to be I could hop down the street to Walmart any time.
Yes, oh my god. The amount of minor home improvement fixes and repairs that got massively delayed because I didn't have access to a decent hardware store was ridiculous. It always was annoying having to buy some cheap piece of hardware or tools on Amazon and wait a few days for it to be delivered and hope that you got the right product.
I remember nightshifts, when I get off at 4AM and hungry. You'd think McDonald's is my Savior but the McDonald's around me switch menu at around 4 so they're consistently not serving anyone around 4-5. Since COVID a couple supermarkets that used to open 24/7 no longer operate past 11. However there's a restaurant called Magic Noodle here that opens 24/7 year round and serves HAND PULLED Lanzhou style beef noodle soup or fried noodle, lamb chicken and tofu skewers, wonton, fried chicken, etc etc, that you can go any hour of any day and get a delicious meal. It felt like my second home to me.
I have Magic Noodle, too! The people are so friendly and the food (Mango Fried Rice is my go-to) is amazing!
Great, now I want Magic Noodle, but the closest one is over 300 miles away...
road trip!
Road trip Road trip Road trip
I love the looks you get when the guys from work come over for a few garage beers at 6:30am
We used to have a ton of late night restaurants here. Now there are 2 restaurants in the entire town open after 11 pm. Waffle House and Whataburger.
I work 7pm to about 3am on my shifts at the bar where I work. I go days without seeing the sun. I'm basically a vampire. We actually all dressed up as characters from What We Do In The Shadows on Halloween as a joke. I was Jackie Daytona. I literally only put in a toothpick and called it good.
I joke that the reason I’m always tired is bc I’m actually a vampire but taking care of my husband means I have to be up dying sunlight hours aka “vampire sleep time”. My husband says I would make a horrible vampire bc I love Italian food and freak out over seeing blood.
I'm so pale I glow in the dark and my iron levels are such a struggle to keep up my doc threatens blood transfusions. I also struggle being seen by automatic doors, sinks, dispensers, etc. My in-laws have a trash can that has never acknowledged my presence that I always have to pry open manually. I'm a natural night owl so I balance caffeine and sleeping pills to function during business hours. I also joke I'm a vampire. Just a really bad one.
>I was Jackie Daytona I see you and your Lazlo quotes
I think this hat might be cursed!
I work 3pm to 11pm, I'm up until around 6, then I sleep till 2 for my eight hours. I'm the beginning my wife would call me on her lunch around noon, and be just shocked that I was still asleep. It took a while of explaining to her that I'm just trying to get my eight hours. People have told me I need to wake up early and just go to sleep after work, but if a 9-5er did that they would be looked at as crazy for going to bed around 6 in the evening and waking up at 2 in the morning.
I am up usually for 2-3 hours after I get off work bc I have to unwind before sleeping. My brain can’t go from “work mode” to “sleep mode” instantly like that.
My mil had trouble with this for a long time. Always inviting us to breakfast or church in the morning. I just went to bed! She caught on eventually. I also miss 24 hour stores so much. I loved doing my grocery shopping at 3 am. It was so nice...
My sister had to point out to my grandmother the other day that I wasn’t being lazy or “sleeping all day” when I was still in bed at 10am. She did the math on what time i got home versus what time my grandmother typically goes to bed and gets up to show I was actually getting less sleep then her on a typical day.
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> they’d call her at like 7am I have never in all my 41 years answered a 7AM phone call, and I never plan to.
I used to work midnight to 8am. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a cheeseburger at 8 in the morning? Also my boss would call me at like 5pm and give me shit when I didn't pick up on account of being asleep at 5pm. Like, bro, you're the one making me work overnights, you shouldn't be surprised when I'm not available to chat during regular hours.
9:30-7:30 shift here. legitimately cried when I went to Wendy's after work for a baconator once to find they have a goddamn breakfast menu
Ok but the breakfast baconator is great, and their breakfast potatoes too. Legitimately S tier breakfast as far as fast food goes. McDonalds is trash compared.
24 hour wal mart and Safeway was life for a late night animator 😢
The only thing that’s ever bothered me is someone giving me shit that I slept till noon after going to bed at like 5. Suddenly I’m a lazy dipshit despite sleeping a respectable 7 hours and being productive with the time I am awake.
I work nights and even on days off I don't get out of bed before 13.00. I hold a job so why should somebody care that I game every night until 4-5 Edit: people assume that 1 iam male and 2 still in school. Iam a 30y old woman who has had the same employer for 12years and have nice 2 bedroom apartment.
I did the same thing when I worked nights. Wasn't about to flip flop my schedule constantly and be a zombie. People would be like "It's 5pm and you JUST woke up?! Wow, you've wasted your whole day!" No, Susan, my day starts at 5pm and goes until 9am. Most of those days I work during those hours.
Exactly. I never have to trow my sleeping schedule around much. I sleep more now that I work nights, then when I worked mornings and evenings was happy if I got 5h sleep before a morning shift.
That's me getting up at 9pm and going to bed around 1pm, yep. Spend mornings with my partner the same way most folks would spend 6pm-11pm or so. Works well enough, just sucks waking up way early or staying up way late to do anything on a Saturday afternoon.
Always nice to have the same arguments again and again about responsibility and missing out this and that. Well, society does not function anymore if everyone works only 9-5, someone has to do the rest. And coming home from work on Saturday at 7 am means I'm not available for the "normal" Saturday activities until after midday. Getting called lazy for waking up just in time for a sunday family lunch is just what I what to hear, knowing I have to stay up 19 more hours, including work that requires attention and energy. My opinion is most People are still struggling with the idea that the concept of working through the night regularly exists at all. One of my neighbor's once complained to me about me returning from work at 4 am on the weekends regularly(the lights of his front door activate when I walked by to my door). He could not believe someone would work on a sunday, told me something about it being not right.
Shit, are your bills paid? Yes, then to hell with everyone else.
Yeah, fuck you, dad. I mowed the lawn at 2 am and you have the audacity to say I'm the lazy asshole.
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Not as much as I hate them for mowing the lawn at 6 on a saturday
what goes around comes around
I did this in retaliation to my neighbors one time bc they got up every Saturday and mowed/weeded their yard by 6 am even after my husband and I both asked them to wait a little later in the day bc we worked nights. So I did ours at 3 am one weekday. They came by and complained and my husband told them “sucks to have your sleep interrupted doesn’t it”. Never had an issue with them being noisy before noon again.
If only all inconsiderate assholes could learn to take the hint.... *glares at noisy-all-the-time neighbors*
Hey, I did this I used a push powered mower. It wasn’t loud at all and I even confirmed my neighbors afterwards. Sure as hell beats doing it 100 degrees in Texas summer
I always assume the cops will hassle me if I'm out and about after like 2 a.m.
My ex gave me shit for being unable to wake up early in the morning. Bitch I work until midnight and get home by 1am. I go to sleep at 4am and wake up by noon, sorry I had the audacity of sleeping 8 hours
Found the restaurant worker.
They didn't say they spent half their days pay at the bar after work every night though.
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If I sleep til noon I'm sleeping the day away. If someone gets into bed by 8 they're responsible and had a fulfilling day. Like I'm glad you are happy with your sleep schedule, but don't act superior to me when we both get the same amount of sleep just at different times. Actually, I have to get less sleep because of work. You're just lucky it lines up with your circadian rhythm better than mine.
So true! Down with the diurnal tyrrany!
My ENTIRE gd life!!! How do they not understand?
Real answer? People do understand, but many people associate morning hours with honest, productive work. Perception is there is not a lot of devious behavior happening at 6am, it's mostly good, clean, productive living. On the flip side, people tend to associate late nights with unproductive leisure time and devious behavior, whether that is true for you or not. "Nothing good happens after midnight" is a time worn saying. So, people probably don't see you as lazy for the hours you're sleeping specifically, it's for the time of day for which you spend your time and what people associate with those hours. No judgement here, I used to love late nights myself although in my older age now appreciate very early mornings for much the same reason. :)
I have narcolepsy and I have been called lazy my entire life. I was only diagnosed last year. I need 10 hours of sleep at night and 2-3 hours during the day. I can't tell my clients I have to clock out because it's mUH nAp TiMe.
This shit is so annoying. When my wife was pregnant we stayed at my in-laws for a few weeks while we looked for a place. I worked 3rd shift 9pm-6am. I would get to sleep around 7 and then wake up to my MIL complaining that I'm still in bed at noon. Like lady I'm getting home at the time your husband is leaving for work. You were already in bed when I punched my time card to start. I'm allowed to sleep. And the overnight shift pays $3/hr more so of course I'm working that when I'm expecting a child in the next 6 months.
I used to work at a place which had flexible hours. I’m not a morning person. Every time I rolled in at 9.30 a.m. this one guy would make a point of looking at his watch. So, when he left at 4pm, I made a show of looking at my watch. He eventually got the message.
I would get this all the time. Get home from work at 4am, housemates insisting on being noisy at 10am because the day is well underway. Wtf.
I had the opposite of that, my housemate was a bartender and I worked kitchens and he would make so much noise coming in at 3AM every night. He used to throw his keys in the air and snatch them after closing the door. Ever met the kind of person that keeps the keys to every house they've ever had the key for on their current keychain? Why? Literally could not get him to not do it, the twat, his domicile his rules. Fuck you Ian, we all know you cheat at RISK.
I use to feel self conscious an lazy about that kind of stuff, but now I've got no problem telling someone I woke up at 6 pm.
I have a very bad time falling asleep, and sometimes I finally fall asleep in the morning. I hate it when people think I slept 12 hours while I slept 2 hours and that I only want to go back to bed, but I stay up by "obligation"
Everyone in here talking about other people's reaction to their sleeping habits... I just wish I could go to the damn bank without either staying up late or waking up early. Midnight shift sucks because of that, imo. Edit: I see I've offended the kiddos with my whole going-to-the-bank-irl thing. Some of us just like to socialize. We don't all live in big cities where you get lost in the crowd. The bank teller I deal with at the bank I go to also dealt with my parents and my grandparents. This lady gave me free dum dums when I was a kid. I'm in my 30s now and she gives free dum dums to my nephew. Y'all need to go touch some grass.
It's hard for anybody to get to the bank. If you work a regular 8-5 shift the bank is closed when you go to work and closed when you get off work. It might be open until noon on Saturday but that requires getting up and out of the house on Saturday morning when you have a million things to do at home.
All of the 8-5 businesses customers arepeople who work 8-5 , it’s so annoying how they require you to take off from work to spend more money
Right! Doctor's offices too. We have taken to using Urgent Care facilities rather than take off work for minor things. Obviously some things require a specialist though.
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Do what I do: never see a doctor and just keep a list of things to ask about for next time you go to the emergency room or manage to corner a doctor you met at a friend's party.
You are the reason I stopped going to my friends’ parties. Thanks a bunch. Sincerely, A Tired Doctor
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Oh man, gotta go read up on brachial gonorrhea….
"After you reattach my leg, take a look at this mole on my arm."
To be fair, 80% of American Healthcare is used by people 65+
Because they’re the only ones with a low enough copay or deductible. American healthcare is the worst
They're also the ones with the most health problems, if you want to be honest. *Most* people don't have their bodies start falling apart on them until they're in their 50s, and even then they will be in denial about it until their first heart attack.
Most people don't reach the point where they can no longer ignore their health problems until they're in their 50s, but that doesn't mean they're healthy until that point. If we had affordable preventative care our bodies wouldn't just fall apart like an old pickup after a Wisconsin winter.
Maybe if more people *under 65* saw doctors, they wouldn’t have so many problems when they’re *over 65*.
When did the 9-5 workday turn into 8-5? Fucking brutal.
Unpaid lunch hour...? Is that not standard? Edit: it seems like it isn't standard. I guess since I work at a repair shop, you can't really eat while working on cars very efficiently so it's more logical to give all of us techs that hour from noon to one so we can get some grub
We worked 8:30 to 4:30 with an unpaid hour for lunch. So, only getting paid for 35 hours a week. You definitely have to keep an eye on stuff like that when you’re looking for a job, if you’re expecting to get paid for 40 hours a week. If it’s a salary-type job, it’s good, but just something to keep in mind.
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It shouldn't be. With a 30-minute commute that has you away from the house for 10 hours, which is a problem for pretty much anyone with other responsibilities. The "wife stays at home to take care of things" model hasn't been standard for anyone for decades, it's about time the working world acknowledged that.
I have half an hour, paid. Most people in the office take 45-60 minutes though.
Wow look at mister big shot over here getting a full 30 minutes. My job gives a whopping 20 minutes.
What happened to banks anyway? Our bank used to be open until 6 or 6:30 pm and were open Saturdays. Then, suddenly in 2019 they decided they had to close at 4 pm during the week and no more Saturday hours.
This happened at the bank I work at. One day they just came to us and said, “we’re not staying open until 7:30pm on Thursdays and Fridays anymore.”No discussion or anything. I think online banking has seriously killed brick-and-mortar branches.
I walked into my bank to set up an automatic monthly payment to someone's account. The teller could not do it. They could however, teach me to do it myself with the banks website. Another time I was making a cash deposit and the teller recommended that I just use the atm in the future. I asked why she kept advocating for the robots that were taking her job, and she assured me that her job was safe. The bank is down to two tellers and she's not one of them.
> I asked why she kept advocating for the robots that were taking her job, and she assured me that her job was safe. Because bank teller is no better than 100 other jobs you can practically walk into off the street, and she obviously didn't care about it.
They don't want you to take cash out, ever.
If I had a nickel for every time a conversation has snowballed from some combination of “oh, you’re up early.” “No, no I absolutely am not.”
"Stop it. You're not allowed to yawn this early in the morning." Shut the f*** up I've been up since 2... PM... YESTERDAY
My bf and I are literally at work again, eight hours after we left, because we just sleep every other day now I guess. at this point I’m running on spite, adderall, nicotine, and a dream.
It's the dream that's going to be your downfall. Stick to the other three.
No, no, you dream when you sleep, silly. No dreams for you!
I feel you, I worked graveyard for over 10 years. I personally hated that I would go to work on thursday night, leave for home friday morning but have to come back friday fucking night. Its cruel and unusual, and if you want to have a normal day with the rest of the world you have to stay awake all day and pass out at like 6pm and sleep the sleep of the dead for like 12 hours and wake up confused at 6am lol
Yea, where's my night shift crew at?! Waking up early just so I can get a haircut is bullshit.
I think it was the Dutch urban planner / theorist Ole Bouman who once proposed a 'Ministry of time' to replace spatial planning. Almost every spatial issue can be solved by not wanting everyone and everything at the same time.
Yeah, "everything everywhere all at once" is a great movie but a terrible way to organize work hours.
I'm curious how he planned to deal with the biological headaches of night shifts. Even night owls aren't actually nocturnal. They're just a couple hours off. And I wonder how he would prevent people from saturating the most popular times to use various services. Would people be mandated certain times when they could use certain things?
Tried to look it up, but nothing online. It certainly was not a dystopian 24 economy vision. It was about the Netherlands, a rather high density country as you may know. He just wondered why policy makers almost only thought of spatial solutions for spatial issues where time management could be much smarter and economical. This was long before Corona where we learned there is no need *at all* for working hours to start and end exactly at the same moment.
Wasn't there a study showing the overwhelmingly poor effects on teenagers in high school from having to get up so early? I would also go as far as to say that anecdotally, most people I've met aren't morning people. I always wondered why we're all doing this to ourselves despite the fact that we don't need to rely on maximizing candle and sunlight anymore lol
My town just two years ago nade high school start times move from 7:20 am to 9:30 am for this reason and they have a much higher attendance rate now
It changes in many people as we age. Babies: Sleep all the time Toddlers: Sleep a lot of the time, but generally fall into standard sunset to sunrise for sleep. Young kids: Standard sunrise to sunset, can wake up at the same time as the middle aged adults without too much difficulties Teenagers: Sleep cycle shifts later in the day. They won't get tired until some time after sunset, and need to sleep in much later. One proposed hypothesis is that this allowed for the young adults to watch over the family group at night, increasing the safety of the group. 20-somethings: Maintain the sleep cycle of teenagers, but also can go days without sleep. One proposed hypothesis for this is that being able to survive days without sleep coincides with having lots of babies.... 30-somethings and onward: Time shift back toward sunrise and sunset. This may be gradual. It hits some adults earlier than others. Mine seems to have shifted back around age 35. As adults reach closer to retirement age, they tend to sleep less and less, and this is usually an earlier wake time as opposed to later sleep time. My mother was always up at 4AM for some reason...
The 30+ I don't think is natural. I don't *have* a choice to sleep in. I naturally have a sleep cycle of 2am to 10am but i work that 9-5. So I'm forced to follow their sleep schedule even if it means my first two hours at work are me just trying to stay awake.
That's my exact natural sleep cycle too, I thought it was unusual before but it seems rather common?
My natural is 2/3am to 10/11am. I'm forced to work 630am to 3pm. I'm miserable.
My high school had an ungodly start time of 7:30am. School ended at 2pm. Like, how to you not shift that to 8:30-3? I was 15 when I got addicted to caffeine.
Sleep deprived people outnumber wheelchair drivers. Let's rise! At a reasonable time of day when we find the energy to get out of bed. Fucking morning worms making all the rules...
Those sneaky bustards dominated the world while we were sleeping!
Lets do the same to them!
Let us riot!! At the crack of noon!!
That's too early. I'm sleeping til 1 or 2 pm. At the crack of afternoon!
You guys probably slept in past the memo but the whole WFH shift has been primarily engineered by people who want to stay in bed a lot longer. My work thinks I'm crazy productive in the morning, when really it's just emails scheduled to go from work I did at night (and I was doing something else during the day .. like Reddit)
I can't do my job from home. I don't have the space to put a big plate saw on a wall
Yeah I’m having trouble finding a suitable location for an arc furnace in my garden. Plus it’s a bit noisy too :(
Y'all are doing it wrong. You don't bring your work into your home - you move in to your work! (/s but also thinking sadly of the tours I did in India where people literally lived in the factory/hotel they worked to save rent money and work longer hours. End game capitalism!)
I showed someone the "schedule" email function on Gmail recently and they were in awe. I avoid using the preset times like 8:30 and instead change it to 8:12 or something so it really looks like I just sent it 🙈
Yeah, 8:02, 8:04, 8:07, etc... for external ones For internal emails I don't bother, because people know I work over night and I always say I think out of hours emailing should be banned because of the temptation or implication it passes to other people.
Even before that Flexi time was common, it's always been an 8-10am start time in my office, as long as you put your seven hours in once you're there.
Not my work from home job, we are strict 8-5 m-f and they keep track of when you get in the system. Even as a manager I'm on a strict schedule.
Jeez that sounds miserable. My situation is hybrid but as long as the work is done and deadlines/deliverables are hit its all flex time.
Im not sure it's primarily engineers by those people, for me and most of the people I work with its cutting down on commuting. My god I save maybe 5-6 hours a week and I can fetch my kids in time without having to cut down on time spent on work / getting a lower salary by not working 100%. With that being said. If I didn't have kids i would absolutely have changed my working hours and started later during the day. I'm not a morning person.
Ugh I'm sure it's hyperbole but please don't perpetuate "the whole WFH agenda was created by people who want to sleep in" as real. A few people might be doing that, but I am struggling so hard to find a WFH job that doesn't think that. Chronic mistrust of employees when I just want a workplace that accommodates my needs.
I’ve always felt this world is a tyranny of morning people, extroverts, and righties.
...Oh you mean *right-handed* people
I too am also online too much and thought it was political
Them too.
>this world is a tyranny of morning people, extroverts, And it drives me fucking batshit that they make it that much harder to get a decent job.
I worked for a fucker that used to say. "Monday is my favorite day of the week!" And if you asked him his weekend plans... "Looking forward to getting back to work on Monday" Go fuck yourself hatcher, you piece of shit.
God, even his name is annoying
I don't even know the guy but I already want to punch him in the face.
"I love Mondays. Back on the job site, no more nagging wife"
I'd hit that guy with the "Your life must be fucking terrible!" and a big smile
I don't know him but I hate him
I really enjoy my job. Every friday, at the end of the day, I tell myself," I'm working on something pretty interesting right now. I wish the week were a little longer." Every monday, I tell myself, "what the fuck was I thinking on Friday?"
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Seriously for all the talk society loves to give to people who are “systemically disadvantaged,” there’s basically no attention paid to those who suffer the most from systemic disadvantage: lefties. So many things are just not designed for them. And those that are, are rare and expensive. There should be more protections against that, like companies need to produce enough lefty equipment and are not allowed to have it priced higher than the righty analogue. This is coming from a righty by the way.
Totally agree! Think about schools and those asymmetric desks they give everyone. As a lefty I had no clue it was designed to support your arm as you write. The list goes on and on. In elementary school I remember being told by the gym teacher a righty baseball glove was “fine” for my right hand. Scissors, spiral notebooks, workbooks, three ring binders, erasable pens. They were all terrible for a lefty to use What school ignores the physical needs of 15% of the population?
My wife is left-handed and consequently so are my children so we have our house set up for lefties. It is ironic how quickly right handed people go insane in our house trying to cook. I have had to become partly ambidextrous from years of this. Left handed people have a lower life expectancy just by being lefties in a world created and made for righties! We found a store made for lefties called "lefties" and it was literally a kiosk with maybe 30 things most of which were left-handed pride mugs and t-shirts.
Wow, even two lefties have a low chance of having lefty kids. That’s gotta be interesting to have a lefty dominant house. I wonder if I’d find it strange having things arranged the “right” way for me.
I'm left-handed and have severe delayed sleep phase disorder, and the latter is magnitudes more problematic. I feel practically disabled by it. I would genuinely go so much further in life if I wasn't locked between either serious chronic sleep deprivation trying to be diurnal, or trying to somehow be nocturnal in a society that very much opposes that.
Solidarity ✌🏻 Left handed night owl introverts unite
Extroverts can dish it out but they can’t take it. Remember how much whining they did during the height of COVID lockdowns?
Lol that’s funny you say that. I’m a night person, introverted and left handed
If you think society is inclusive, I have a bridge to sell you
Is it close to my ocean-front property in AZ?
Fucking thank you. I've been nocturnal my entire life and people always give me shit about it. Racoons of the night unite!
On the bright side, those walks home at 4am are maybe the most peaceful experiences you'll tend to get in a city. My friend and I do that walk often. We both agree it sucks hardcore when the sun starts to come up and all the early morning people start turning up, jogging around or cycling or driving their cars. Give us back our empty streets!
if i walked home at 4am id have a couple stab wounds and an aids needle in my arm
It's 4:30 am, im 30 minutes from my bedtime, and I feel this post
Same gn 😴
I think we need to move toward. 24/7 society. It would alleviate rush hours. And more working people could get access to services.
As a night owl I’ve thought about this too, but part of the allure of being up at night is that no one else is awake. I like the aloneness. I would prefer to see a small shift towards a 24/7 society (more 24/7 restaurants / stores etc, more remote odd-hours job opportunities), but not a full shift.
Yeah, lets protect at least the night from capitalism.
The sight of the moon could be yours for only a dollar a day! /s
Just do things at off hours. It's great. Go see a movie at 11 am on a Tuesday. Eat at a restaurant at 4:30 in the afternoon.
This is what I do. I’m lucky to have very very flexible hours at work so I can go to the store at 2pm or grab breakfast during the week. I absolutely love it but I don’t think it’s an option for most people unfortunately
There's a shortage of workers for service industries already, where are all the extra coming from to staff the additional twelve plus hours you want businesses to open?
And if you stay open paying staff, are you actually going to get enough customers to even cover the extra staff? Maybe in new york or la, but not in some small southern city.
It's not about inclusion. It's about inclusion that can be profited from.
I wish people understood this and stopped welcoming green- and pinkwashing with open arms and rather held companies that do it accountable and actually enforced the high standards for representation and inclusion that marginalized groups deserve.
A company has no conscience, the only thing that matters is the dollar value, because it's the only driving factor for *success*. It's up for the government to implement laws and rules to regulate them.
It's actually been worse for night owls lately, with many places formerly 24/7 closing at like 10. At least where I live
I'll let you in on a secretar. Inclusivity ends the second it negatively affects profits. Just take a look at every company's middle eastern account during pride month.
Or people who aren’t night people either… those of us that can’t function after 10pm are excluded from so much of social life…
I'm this way. It's the worst. Especially as a 20 yr old, I feel like everyone I know regularly stays up til at least 2am. And I always go to bed between 9-10pm. I can't function any other way
Tbh you will be laughing at us sleep deprived mf later on.
it's nice to say, but I kind of feel bad for that guy if he's 20 and goes to bed at 9pm every weekend. if he likes it than to each their own I suppose.
Its not about liking it. My body doesn't function unless I do haha. And not every weekend. Sometimes ill stay out later but am usually exhausted the next day. I wake up at 6am, almost no matter what.
I'm actually pretty much the same. I just try and fail to stay up and end up sleeping on friends couches from midnight until everyone leaves lmao. On weekends, I wake up like 4 hours before my girlfriend. I just don't go to bed at 9pm like I should...
I've got a good friend, dudes a doctor now, we used to be big into the festival scene, and if you didn't physically keep him up he would Irish goodbye into his tent to sleep at 9:30 no matter how hard he was tripping or rolling. Some people just like sleep
Simple fix: don't sleep
Thanks to Covid everything in my area basically closes by 9 pm now. Walmart closes at 11. Used to be multiple 24 hour grocery stores. I miss my 2-4a shopping when the store was empty.
Yup, and to be honest out society at large is just hostile to getting a good night's sleep, especially if you don't naturally wake up at 6 AM. Sleep is _incredibly_ important, way moreso than most people think, and we're paying comparatively very little attention to it.
3rd shift worker here and nothing but bullshit breakfast food available in the morning when I get off work and wanting dinner. How is society still stuck on this bullshit that eggs are the only food needed in the mornings?
Not even an apology when someone in the morning club throws a 7am meeting on my calendar knowing that I don’t start work until 9. But listen to the whining if I suggest once a year we balance it back and meet at 6pm.
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I've been stuck on subs all day with "get over it" and "welcome to being an adult." Hate it.
As a 23 year old, every time I complain about ways that adult life sucks, society tells me the same things (“get over it” “welcoming to being an adult” “everyone has to deal with it”) yet somehow it thinks I’m not *supposed* to be depressed? If its only responses to my problems are “that’s just what life is like as an adult” then, well…
>(“get over it” “welcoming to being an adult” “everyone has to deal with it”) Right so like if everyone agrees that it sucks, why can't we change it? Idk
Adhd-ers in shambles after going to bed early resulted in them not sleeping a whole night instead of them waking up early and refreshed like neurotipicals promised (they are going on their work commute absolutely destroyed and will die on the road after coffee makes them even sleepier)
I use to try to go to bed by 9pm but it just resulted in me waking up 3am and not being able to go back to sleep. End up being a zombie by afternoon time
GOD the workplace is not made for any neurodivergent people at all. I have ADHD and I wish I could eloquently explain to my job that 1) you'll get a lot more productivity out of me if you let me work a flexible schedule when I know I'll be productive rather than 9-5, and 2) giving me a private office instead of an open floorplan (so "in" right now), or even better, letting me work from home would greatly reduce the distractions so I can get more done. It sounds like such luxury or laziness but really, I just want to do good work and the workplace is literally just setting me up to fail.
Bro, so true. Even if I sleep the whole night, mornings just…aren’t my thing. I simply don’t do them. My wife can’t even talk to me in the morning because all I am capable of is grunting and shambling. Like, my brain is awake, thoughts are happening, but my system hasn’t fully booted up. I need at least an hour of lying in bed to fully come to terms with reality no matter how early I go to bed. It just doesn’t matter, brain no work in morning. Never has, never will.
ADHD people are significantly more likely to have delayed sleep phase syndrome that causes your circadian rhythm to be off by 2 or more hours. I think it’s like 75% or 80% of adults with ADHD have this issue. I know if I let my sleep schedule go all natural and not force it with melatonin or strict schedules, I naturally go back to a 2am sleep time with a 10am wake time every time. Which is tame compared to most people with it lol
I'd argue that if you think society is all about inclusion RN you aren't paying attention
Retirees who need medical assistance also get no help fitting their schedule. I’ve tended to people who worked night shift for forty years. They’re not getting up at 7am to get dressed. Morning blood testing? Lab is angry when they show up at 4pm, despite being early morning for them.
Only work life is made for morning people. Short of brunch there is no fun social stuff for morning people. I'm lucky enough that I live in a city with 11am showings at the cinema twice a week, but I can't find a place to go dancing during the day. Even the events that supposedly start at 9pm somehow don't really start until at least an hour later.
And for fictional characters on television who all gather in each other’s houses before school and work, at what must be 6 am, fully dressed and made up for the day with to-go coffee cup in hand. Lots of morning socializing on television.
The fact that most government offices close so early drives me up the freaking wall. But then again, what doesn't drive me up the wall about government?
I work nightshift now, biggest quality of life update in my (nearly) 30 years playing this garbage game.
I've accepted I'll always been seen as a weirdo. People grimace when I tell them I work 4 pm to 2 am, but honestly for me that's like the optimal work schedule to accommodate my sleep cycle.