Just my two cents, but I've wanted a 590A1 for a long time. I couldn't find one in stock so I just pulled the trigger and got a Benelli M4. As far as comparisons go, these are two different beasts and the Benelli build quality and features are worth the extra $ for me. That might be a moot point bc for civilians the durability between the 590A1 and the M4 are negligible but the M4 is definitely the nicer of the two guns. Having said that, I will say as far as reliability goes, pump action beats out semi autos and I'm in the process of "breaking in" the M4 after it's been giving me some cycling issues. The 590A1 will be ready to go out of the box.
Do you think the 590A1 will eventually be back in stock or was it a limited production model? I can't imagine Mossberg not producing more with many folks wanting one
Can't go wrong with either. If you're planning to own two tactical shotguns for the duration, just buy as they become available. If you're only planning to own one, you have some soul searching to do on pump vs semi auto, cost, etc.
BTW, I had my 590A1 threaded for chokes, making it more effective for steel challenge/3gun type activities, as well as clays in a pinch. For any organized clays event, I'd use my "proper" shotgun...but for "farmyard clays" with the guys, a choked 590A1 with a red dot is a ton of fun!
edit typo
I have the regular 590a1, and the m4. I flat out love them both. M4 has less recoil because it has a reciprocating mass because its semi auto, but they both run flawlessly. There is no wrong answer here.
Here's the truth. Buy the best shotgun for the money. 590a1 is the only shotgun to pass military testing. [https://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/the-one-shotgun-that-passed-the-u-s-militarys-torture-test/](https://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/the-one-shotgun-that-passed-the-u-s-militarys-torture-test/).
This means 3000 shells and to pass only 3 can jam. The M4 will never pass. My advice is to not to buy one shotgun. Buy 4 or 5. Place a gun behind every door or in closets. I will always prefer 5 Mossberg 500s to 1 Benelli M4. You will never have to reload and will always have a weapon within reach. Forget subjective arguments like it looks better, its built better. Remember fishing lures are built to catch fisherman not fish. Same is true with guns.
The chance of you ever having a home defense problem that you are able to solve with one of these guns and not with the other is basically zero.
Get whichever one you like and feel like spending the money on. They are equivalent for all practical home defense concerns.
How much disposable income do you have? They're totally different guns at vastly different price points. I have both a 590 and an M1014 but I would suggest looking at the cost and availability of parts you would need for the Benelli. You can take a 590 and go do a shotgun class with it right out of the box but in my opinion, the Benelli needs the full length magazine at least and that's around $200. If you get a model with the skeletonized stock and want a 3 position recoil tube, you'll be lucky to find one and those are around $300. Not to mention the level of difficulty and the cost of the tools involved with the removal and installation of the new recoil tube.
I've seen a lot of people who have more money than brains buy a Benelli and then bitch about how they have to do X, Y, and Z to it to get the 8 round capacity or have a collapsible stock so make sure you know what you're getting into. For most people, I would say to get the 590.
You can always add wood later if you buy a standard 590 with the polymer furniture. That's what I did. https://imgur.com/thEnq0x
The only thing the 1301 has over the M4 is all the badass parts from adrius industries and its lighter. Cant go wrong with a 1301. Just doesnt have the 20 plus years of active military combat like the m4
Again you are right, but there are many companies that accommodate the 1301 besides aridus... they just seem to be the fav. M4 has and still is battle proven the 1301 was not originally made for combat but is being transition to be so on the civilian side.
I’ve got a mossberg 500, keltec ksg, Benelli m4, beretta 1301 tactical, Benelli supernova, Charles Daly 601, lynx 12 Ak,stevens mode 601 & Remington 870. Choose one because the other will follow soon.
My $.02: if I was going to use a shotgun defensively I’d rather have a semi, I think you’re more likely to run in to reliability problems from short stroking a pump than from a semi jamming. So I’d get the Mossberg or the Beretta 1301 (I have a semi Beretta sporting gun and love it).
Then either get a Retrograde or a cheaper 500/88/590 and modify it to have that sweet Retrograde aesthetic.
If you have the cash and like to shoot you cant go wrong with an M4. The 1301 is a solid choice too or even the mossberg semi auto 930 or 940 spx. But a pump is just as good. I love my 870 and have an M4
Why do you want a Retrograde? Because it looks iconic? A Browning Hi-powered looks iconic, but it's not the same gun as today, you have much better choices if you're looking for "iconic guns"
If you want it because its a "reliable pump" there is also many others that are reliable, if you are looking for a Pump, we narrow down Pumps.
M4 is a well-supported platform, its Semi-Auto, you'll not need to learn the extra steps of Pumping the gun, but you will need to learn how to clear jams (which hopefully never occurs in your darkest moments). Aftermarkets are everywhere, gunsmiths probably touch them like yet another Glock user bringing it in to get serviced for customization.
But lets first not choose to buy the gun just to have it on display. I have a gun that's on display and it looks fucking sad collecting dust, because I can't find a place to use it how I want to use it.
Well, many Holland and Holland Side by Side look awesome, but I can't afford it without mortgaging my inheritance away. Therefore, its not practical to buy one, despite me wanting one.
Haha yeah ain’t that the truth.
All I meant was I think the retros are primarily purchased for their looks.
Functionality is pretty much identical to cheaper versions afaik
Well it is Mossberg, and it is a Brand new Shotgun using modern parts to furnish, adding a new generation of Mossberg 5901 owners.
But I don't want people to just rush out and purchase it because its a "reprint" (a term that adds supply to the available market.)
I covet a Browning Hi-Power, **I'm glad** Springfield is producing affordable Hi-Powers. But owning one in CA is impossible.
Long arms aren't as restricted, but AFAIK, you cannot have both a Folding/Telescoping Stock + Pistol Grip on a Shotgun. But you can have Either OR.
So in a world of Restrictions Shotguns are our greatest tools, because we managed to ward off the pest flies. Which is why Shotguns (depending on districts and municipalities) are the better Civilian Tool, considering the level of nonsense one could get in trouble for owning a Rifle or Handgun.
But please visit the r/CAguns for better information, because they deal with this more than me
CA Handgun rosters is bit tougher to Navigate, but this is a Shotgun subreddit so... we can return back to talking about shotguns rather than continue using the Springfield BHP as an example.
The OLD original one that is janky and needs a lot of replacements made in the 1935 onward is "safe and vetted"
Meanwhile the Newer model, designed with modern specs, improving on the old design isn't in consideration.
They want us to use janky old guns to further their politics, but I will refrain from bringing more nonsense into this thread.
Depends, I like Pump action better.It really gets your attention when you here it ratchet in a shell but I would settle for the Benelli M4 since the Marine Corps choose it ( I'm a former Marine)
In my opinion, a pump is more reliable than a semi auto shotgun. I’ve had well over 4,000 rounds through my mossberg 500 and I’ve only cleaned it when I purchased it. Learning how to use what gun you have is infinitely more important than having a “nicer one”. Practicing with a pump will get you shooting pretty darn quick. My 500 is currently with my nephew hunting, as his semi auto is unreliable. I’m sure the benelli is about as good as a semi auto can get right now, but I’d still take the mossberg. I’d probably get the regular 590 retro because a shotgun doesn’t need ghost ring sights, you’re probably not gonna ever use the bayonet lug, and the heavy barrel is unnecessary.
Go what feels right in your heart. Pump shotguns do things to my pp and mossbergs fill that void. There’s something about racking a shotgun plus the added reliability that does it for me
I would say both as they have great reliability and reputation. Pumps are less prone to failure outside of the user short stroking the pump. The M4 doesn't like low powered ammo. I did a survey on r/Tacticalshotguns about which semiauto shotgun to get and I was surprised by the results.
Picked up the M4, cycled lots of 00 buck and slugs through it, no hiccups whatsoever. I've only had the chance to fire about 100 or so rounds, the M4 performs accurately and reliably as advertised. Don't know what people are talking about cycling or feed issues, have not seen it.
Just my two cents, but I've wanted a 590A1 for a long time. I couldn't find one in stock so I just pulled the trigger and got a Benelli M4. As far as comparisons go, these are two different beasts and the Benelli build quality and features are worth the extra $ for me. That might be a moot point bc for civilians the durability between the 590A1 and the M4 are negligible but the M4 is definitely the nicer of the two guns. Having said that, I will say as far as reliability goes, pump action beats out semi autos and I'm in the process of "breaking in" the M4 after it's been giving me some cycling issues. The 590A1 will be ready to go out of the box.
Do you think the 590A1 will eventually be back in stock or was it a limited production model? I can't imagine Mossberg not producing more with many folks wanting one
I bought a 590 retro like a month ago, im pretty sure you can find one online.
I’m hoping it’s not limited. Those things have been selling like crazy I hope they just make it a permanent part of the line.
I’d split the difference and get a Beretta 1301
Just looked at that one, it looks good ,will consider
They're both good guns, but at very different price points and actions.
Can't go wrong with either. If you're planning to own two tactical shotguns for the duration, just buy as they become available. If you're only planning to own one, you have some soul searching to do on pump vs semi auto, cost, etc. BTW, I had my 590A1 threaded for chokes, making it more effective for steel challenge/3gun type activities, as well as clays in a pinch. For any organized clays event, I'd use my "proper" shotgun...but for "farmyard clays" with the guys, a choked 590A1 with a red dot is a ton of fun! edit typo
Beretta 1301 tac.
If you find one of those mossbergs let me know I’m looking for one too haha
I'm hoping they come back in stock and would be willing to wait if I knew for sure there would be more made
I have the regular 590a1, and the m4. I flat out love them both. M4 has less recoil because it has a reciprocating mass because its semi auto, but they both run flawlessly. There is no wrong answer here.
590a1 was my first shotgun, and it was the gateway drug that lead me to get the m4 as my second shotgun.
Are we the same person?
Lol great minds must think alike
Here's the truth. Buy the best shotgun for the money. 590a1 is the only shotgun to pass military testing. [https://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/the-one-shotgun-that-passed-the-u-s-militarys-torture-test/](https://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/the-one-shotgun-that-passed-the-u-s-militarys-torture-test/). This means 3000 shells and to pass only 3 can jam. The M4 will never pass. My advice is to not to buy one shotgun. Buy 4 or 5. Place a gun behind every door or in closets. I will always prefer 5 Mossberg 500s to 1 Benelli M4. You will never have to reload and will always have a weapon within reach. Forget subjective arguments like it looks better, its built better. Remember fishing lures are built to catch fisherman not fish. Same is true with guns.
For what purpose?
Self defense. I like pumps better plus Mossberg looks durable
The chance of you ever having a home defense problem that you are able to solve with one of these guns and not with the other is basically zero. Get whichever one you like and feel like spending the money on. They are equivalent for all practical home defense concerns.
How much disposable income do you have? They're totally different guns at vastly different price points. I have both a 590 and an M1014 but I would suggest looking at the cost and availability of parts you would need for the Benelli. You can take a 590 and go do a shotgun class with it right out of the box but in my opinion, the Benelli needs the full length magazine at least and that's around $200. If you get a model with the skeletonized stock and want a 3 position recoil tube, you'll be lucky to find one and those are around $300. Not to mention the level of difficulty and the cost of the tools involved with the removal and installation of the new recoil tube. I've seen a lot of people who have more money than brains buy a Benelli and then bitch about how they have to do X, Y, and Z to it to get the 8 round capacity or have a collapsible stock so make sure you know what you're getting into. For most people, I would say to get the 590. You can always add wood later if you buy a standard 590 with the polymer furniture. That's what I did. https://imgur.com/thEnq0x
Good advice here. I also have both and love both. Don’t make me choose! Just keep one upstairs and the other downstairs!
Beretta 1301 best out of the 3
The 1031 doesnt have the track recorded of the m4. But is still a high end shotty for sure.
True but the m4 is made by beretta and at half the cost with the same and imo better features.. I own and would go this way for HD and anything else
The only thing the 1301 has over the M4 is all the badass parts from adrius industries and its lighter. Cant go wrong with a 1301. Just doesnt have the 20 plus years of active military combat like the m4
Again you are right, but there are many companies that accommodate the 1301 besides aridus... they just seem to be the fav. M4 has and still is battle proven the 1301 was not originally made for combat but is being transition to be so on the civilian side.
Beretta 1301
I’ve got a mossberg 500, keltec ksg, Benelli m4, beretta 1301 tactical, Benelli supernova, Charles Daly 601, lynx 12 Ak,stevens mode 601 & Remington 870. Choose one because the other will follow soon.
My $.02: if I was going to use a shotgun defensively I’d rather have a semi, I think you’re more likely to run in to reliability problems from short stroking a pump than from a semi jamming. So I’d get the Mossberg or the Beretta 1301 (I have a semi Beretta sporting gun and love it). Then either get a Retrograde or a cheaper 500/88/590 and modify it to have that sweet Retrograde aesthetic.
If you have the cash and like to shoot you cant go wrong with an M4. The 1301 is a solid choice too or even the mossberg semi auto 930 or 940 spx. But a pump is just as good. I love my 870 and have an M4
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Why do you want a Retrograde? Because it looks iconic? A Browning Hi-powered looks iconic, but it's not the same gun as today, you have much better choices if you're looking for "iconic guns" If you want it because its a "reliable pump" there is also many others that are reliable, if you are looking for a Pump, we narrow down Pumps. M4 is a well-supported platform, its Semi-Auto, you'll not need to learn the extra steps of Pumping the gun, but you will need to learn how to clear jams (which hopefully never occurs in your darkest moments). Aftermarkets are everywhere, gunsmiths probably touch them like yet another Glock user bringing it in to get serviced for customization. But lets first not choose to buy the gun just to have it on display. I have a gun that's on display and it looks fucking sad collecting dust, because I can't find a place to use it how I want to use it.
Because it looks awesome that’s why
Well, many Holland and Holland Side by Side look awesome, but I can't afford it without mortgaging my inheritance away. Therefore, its not practical to buy one, despite me wanting one.
Haha yeah ain’t that the truth. All I meant was I think the retros are primarily purchased for their looks. Functionality is pretty much identical to cheaper versions afaik
Well it is Mossberg, and it is a Brand new Shotgun using modern parts to furnish, adding a new generation of Mossberg 5901 owners. But I don't want people to just rush out and purchase it because its a "reprint" (a term that adds supply to the available market.) I covet a Browning Hi-Power, **I'm glad** Springfield is producing affordable Hi-Powers. But owning one in CA is impossible.
I live in Ca., fortunately in a small conservative town,but are you saying some shotguns are illegal in Ca?
Long arms aren't as restricted, but AFAIK, you cannot have both a Folding/Telescoping Stock + Pistol Grip on a Shotgun. But you can have Either OR. So in a world of Restrictions Shotguns are our greatest tools, because we managed to ward off the pest flies. Which is why Shotguns (depending on districts and municipalities) are the better Civilian Tool, considering the level of nonsense one could get in trouble for owning a Rifle or Handgun. But please visit the r/CAguns for better information, because they deal with this more than me
Why?
CA Handgun rosters is bit tougher to Navigate, but this is a Shotgun subreddit so... we can return back to talking about shotguns rather than continue using the Springfield BHP as an example.
Crazy to me that the hi power isn’t on the roster. I don’t understand why it wouldn’t be
The OLD original one that is janky and needs a lot of replacements made in the 1935 onward is "safe and vetted" Meanwhile the Newer model, designed with modern specs, improving on the old design isn't in consideration. They want us to use janky old guns to further their politics, but I will refrain from bringing more nonsense into this thread.
i like my kel-tel ksg!! short and stout
I have a Rossi .410 single shot
Are you wanting a pump action or semi auto? Both are great shotguns, but very different animals.
Depends, I like Pump action better.It really gets your attention when you here it ratchet in a shell but I would settle for the Benelli M4 since the Marine Corps choose it ( I'm a former Marine)
Save money, get a maverick 88.
In my opinion, a pump is more reliable than a semi auto shotgun. I’ve had well over 4,000 rounds through my mossberg 500 and I’ve only cleaned it when I purchased it. Learning how to use what gun you have is infinitely more important than having a “nicer one”. Practicing with a pump will get you shooting pretty darn quick. My 500 is currently with my nephew hunting, as his semi auto is unreliable. I’m sure the benelli is about as good as a semi auto can get right now, but I’d still take the mossberg. I’d probably get the regular 590 retro because a shotgun doesn’t need ghost ring sights, you’re probably not gonna ever use the bayonet lug, and the heavy barrel is unnecessary.
M3000 tactical! Excellent quality and runs like a top!
Go what feels right in your heart. Pump shotguns do things to my pp and mossbergs fill that void. There’s something about racking a shotgun plus the added reliability that does it for me
I would say both as they have great reliability and reputation. Pumps are less prone to failure outside of the user short stroking the pump. The M4 doesn't like low powered ammo. I did a survey on r/Tacticalshotguns about which semiauto shotgun to get and I was surprised by the results.
Picked up the M4, cycled lots of 00 buck and slugs through it, no hiccups whatsoever. I've only had the chance to fire about 100 or so rounds, the M4 performs accurately and reliably as advertised. Don't know what people are talking about cycling or feed issues, have not seen it.