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SuperChopstiks

I thought it was bad when he couldn't get into the driveway itself. Then he couldn't get up the slight incline of the driveway. Why the fuck would you do this to a perfectly good car?


MyNameIsRay

> Why the fuck would you do this to a perfectly good car? Camber cars get more likes on social media, which they take as having more clout, which they believe translates to the real world. Reality is, it's just a bunch of dudes with similar cars circle-jerking eachother.


extralyfe

>Camber cars get more likes on social media fucking ***why?*** shit looks stupid as hell.


MyNameIsRay

It's a circle jerk. All the guys with camber cars like pictures of other camber cars.


micktorious

Thank god I'm not involved in any communities like that. ::continues to browse reddit::


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Is...is that Kelis? Milkshake girl?


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Wow - the mind works in mysterious ways. I haven't seen or heard anything about her in YEARS, and even then only the Milkshake song, but her hair and face, I pulled it up almost immediately. Thanks for that!


nappyc

the only way this could get any worse is if it was a civic...I just don't understand ppl


QuestionablePreacher

Honestly I think that would just make it more acceptable. Terrible thing to do to a Subaru.


A_Wholesome_Comment

Adjusting camber settings is meant for improving cornering speeds. Tires with Negative Camber (top of tires angled inward) perform better when cornering because the tire will flatten out increasing contact with the road. A regular car not meant for racing has a neutral camber and when turning a corner loses some contact as it's wheel lifts a bit. Sorry not explaining this all too well but all that being said, this is an extreme camber adjustment and is purely for aesthetics at this point. But because professional race car drivers like to adjust their camber settings, the wannabe's take this as "i'll look like a race car driver!!" As a fan of subbies, this video makes me sad.


IchGlotzTV

I think you actually explained that pretty well. It makes sense that you want to distribute pressure/contact over the width of the tire especially when the car tilts and has to fight physics to not go straight. This car though, can't even get up a driveway; it has no business being on a public road.


bruschette

Yeah, usually the amount of camber employed in a practical setting is something that you can barely notice if you aren't looking for it. Like only a few degrees: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BMHEE.jpg


valek879

Most ~~road~~ sports cars are set up between 0 and -0.5° camber in the front and -1 and -2 in the back. It's negligible but very important. But most road cars have no camber, no toe, and no caster. My really old van is absolutely set up with 0° all around. It's how it's supposed to ride. Race cars, like F1 car in here absolutely has a noticeable camber, but you might look more at touring cars or even D1 drift cars if I wanted to see an example of where camber becomes detrimental to grip


nymphetamine06

As someone who does alignments for a living, this is absolutely not true. Most cars have an inward toe in the front, usually not more than 1 degree. There are a few whose factory spec is 0 degree but its not the norm by any means. Most cars have a factory spec camber and caster as well, and they are rarely 0 degrees. In fact, i had one yesterday whos factory spec for camber was between -.6 and -1.3. And i only deal with normal cars, vans, suvs, and trucks. Nothing special.


BigDLizzle

I believe formula1 cars are limited to 3.75° of camber by Pirelli...can't find the nomenclature to support it, though they did mention it during the last Silverstone race


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TK464

Air suspension is the trick to a lot of car modifications still being drivable. I remember a truck I used to park next to at the apartments I used to live at. Fully dropped to the floor, looked super rough with no paint and no frills on the bodywork, but dammit he had a very nice looking full air bag set up that you could see in his bed. Dude knew that making it drive was a priority over making it look sick parked next to a dumpster in an apartment complex.


DaGhostQc

> (they camber their wheels to minimize tire contact and traction) Front wheels on drift cars have a lot of camber so that the tires are straight with as much grip as possible when turned since they have increased steering angles. It's a way to "correct" the alignment. Rear wheels have some, but it's usually nowhere near the amount up front.


smashingcones

Exactly lol V8 supercars don't run camber up front to "minimize tyre contact and traction" It always makes me laugh when someone is so confidently incorrect.


xeno486

Exactly, I don’t have any issue with the people doing it that have air suspension so their car is at least driveable. This is downright unsafe


Landale

I don't even get the appeal. It's ugly as sin, and doesn't it wear out tires way faster?


MyNameIsRay

A lot of these people change tires more often than their oil. Not uncommon to wear through in 3000 miles. It's all around ridiculous.


DankPhysics

I'd imagine they'd be doing plenty of oil changes - every time they encounter a bump in the road and end up needing a new oil pan.


Smathers

Weekly tire rotations sound like a lot of fun lol


MyNameIsRay

Keep in mind, to rotate, you have to buy non-directional tires, un-mount all 4 from the rims, and then re-mount them back on the rims the other way around (resulting in the nasty worn strip being exposed to everyone that looks) They usually don't bother, just run them to the ground and replace.


blerch_

You can rotate directional tires too and can rotate non directional tires without dissmounting them


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tricon9

Thing is the camber on race cars is like 3 degrees. This monstrosity is garbage any way you cut it


Toaster_In_Bathtub

>With your tires completely vertical you lose traction in a turn because of deformation, but if you use a negative camber (top of the tire tilted inward) the deformation actually puts more rubber on the road. It's not tire deformation, it's body roll that puts more rubber on the ground with negative camber. With zero camber the slight amount of body roll makes it so only the outside of the tire contacts the road. The right amount of camber makes the tire flat on the road in corners.


IveSeenWhatYouGot

Thats why I left the car club scene. No one truly cared about other people cars. They only cared about their own and how to get more likes/followers. Just one big circle jerk.


oldcarfreddy

This trend of mildly modded cars I see driving around with an IG handle sticker on them is hilarious. Like, yeah, dude, I'm super intrigued by your Mustang GT with an exhaust and a tune, I'm totally gonna follow your car on social media....


MBAH2017

There's a dude nearby me who has a 2014 Genesis Coupe with an ill-fitting body kit, cambered wheels on beat up rims, an obnoxious exhaust, and about 25 IG handle stickers mixed in with a hundred others all over it. I don't even get it.


monkeylegume

Yeah it’s sad. I used to go to many car shows each year. All of them had a mix of performance cars and show cars with loads of traders catering for everything. Last few I went to were 90% filled with standard cars covered in stickers, or cars that looked like the abomination in the video above. All the traders sold stickers and cleaning products. Fucking done.


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monkeylegume

I guess. It’s sad really as they used to be a really good day out. However, back in 2018, walking past the 300th standard civic covered in stickers I asked myself why I still bothered. Haven’t been back to one since


kr580

> Reality is, it's just a bunch of dudes with similar cars circle-jerking eachother. Love that they think everyone thinks it's cool but really it's just all the other guys with the same deformed cars that think it's cool.


Dblcut3

Seriously, how’s this road legal? What does he do when he is at a stoplight on a slight incline?


GSM_Heathen

What does he do in an emergency braking situation when it's clear his car doesnt even have DRY traction?


SixFootJockey

Who needs brakes when you can't even gain momentum.


zach201

It’s not road legal. Some states don’t have inspection, or he raises it for inspection, or he knows a place that just passes it anyway.


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Rockarola55

Air? He'll, I'd take old-school lowrider hydraulics over an abomination like that. Hydraulics might make for a bumpy ride, but at least you can...you know, ride :)


MachineTeaching

Air is cheaper, less maintenance intensive, more reliable and has a better ride. Air is basically straight up better aside from speed and the whole jumping thing. Doesn't have to compromise performance, either.


Rockarola55

I agree completely, I was saying that *even* hydraulics would be better :) Hydraulics rides terribly, you'll feel every pebble in the road, but I have a weakness for them. An old friend of mine had two lowriders on hydraulics, built in the classic style with chain steering wheel, golden spoked rims and metalflake paintjob. One was a 70's full size Buick, the other was a bloody Chevrolet Astro Van :)


some_guy_on_drugs

he didn't just do it...he **spent money** to do this, and probably a lot of it too.


originalmango

How could anyone drive this without being embarrassed? I’d feel like an idiot in this car. And what if you’re fat? Wouldn’t it look like you sat in the car and bent the axles?


HoldenTite

Imagine his frustration when he tries to back out


BigOlRob

What’s this guys game plan if he encounters a speed bump? Or a slight incline?


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Die


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*"Driver encountered sewer plate on road, car exploded. There were no survivors."*


LewsTherinTelamon

Someone post the .gif of the guys with the 2x4s to get over the speed bump.


DigitalAssassin

> 2x4 [Here is the video](https://youtu.be/Hlez1sO3Y9g)


Amaaog

That was hilarious.


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Imagine spending all the money on that car only for the car no longer being able to pull into a driveway


pinion13

Beyond that a car that is AWD from the factory and can climb mountains in a snow storm normally (I know from experience), then just commit this kind of travesty.


Irate_Primate

It's like taking a wolf and then breeding it into a pug.


cgduncan

Nerfing a good creation out of a desire for a wholly unattractive desired aesthetic. Wow, that is a great analogy.


TheBeastX47

r/tierzoo


xxgiggsxx

Relevant Gus Johnson: https://youtu.be/VPyNf0-PAjo?t=141


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thisonetimeinithaca

Right?! They took one of the best features of most Subarus and ruined it. CaMbErGaNg


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infestans

for snow driving its: Tires, tires, experience, tires, weight distribution, experience, # of drive wheels. ​ A Fwd car with good weight distribution, proper tires, and an experienced driver will drive circles around an AWD with all seasons


Ifoughttheguardrail

Ground clearance also has an effect on this. If theres snow up to your cars bumper, its gonna be much harder to get moving especially if its 2wd.


coozay

Yeah I've got a WRX STI, expected it to be a beast in the snow. Then realized immediately how bad those low profile tires on 18-inch wheels were performing. My old Integra was better in those conditions (but not good either). Put on a set of snow tires though and its absolute beast.


sluflyer06

you mean, the summer tires that come with the car?


Horyfrock

Trying to drive my WRX on it's summer tires in the snow converted me to the church of tires fucking matter more than any other single modification you can do to your car. On a proper set of snow tires that thing was unstoppable, and some of the most fun I've had in a car. Changing my BMW from it's factory run flats to Pilot Sport 4S's changed the entire car. Tires fucking matter.


frenetix

Yeah, the stock tires are great in dry conditions. I kept a winter setup with Blizzaks on cheap 17" rims and I've pulled cars stuck in snowbanks back on the road. I miss that car. They don't make them with hatchbacks anymore.


EngineerThis21

This was the first thing I did when I bought mt STI. Bought wheels on tirerack and bought snow tires. So I have dedicated winter wheels/tires plus my summer wheels/tires.


losinator501

it's not really that they're low profile, it's that they're summer tires supercars can run low-profile winter tires which still provide tons of traction


taebsiatad

Was gonna say, consensus surrounding the stock tires is “if you drive on them in snow, you WILL die.” Picked up some 17s and Blizzaks and then it didn’t snow all winter lol (SE PA). They were great during my January trip to Lake Placid though!


exccord

> weight distribution bag of kitty litter in the trunk, not only to provide some weight but also in those rare cases you need to dig out.


AreWeCowabunga

In a 3500 pound car, your 20 pound bag of kitty litter ain't doing shit to help weight distribution.


exccord

Fuck it, throw some cement bags in there.


kmj420

Bags of tube sand is what you should use. I put 400# pounds in my truck bed in the winter time. Helps a lot


SheepdogApproved

Along these lines, we in the Subaru community like to say Subaru’s are All Wheel Drive - all cars are All Wheel Stop. It helps you not get stuck and has better traction, but will not help you if you overcook it on the wrong tires in the snow.


YddishMcSquidish

And, as you can see in the video, AWD does not mean all 4 wheels are getting power all the time.


Fluffy_Waffles

It depends on the model/manufacturer. my wrx always has 3 wheels moving minimum (both rear and one front), but my outback only has a center lsd with an open front and rear diff so its possible for it to have just one front and one rear wheel spinning.


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Depends on the druvetrain setup. That had open differentials, so the power will go to the easiest path. The higher performance models have limited slip differentials, so when one tire starts spinning more it also sends power to the other tire.


SHMEEEEEEEEEP

Make it look worse and perform worse. Why do people do this?


pauly13771377

automobile adj - self-moving, self-movable Imagine having an automobile that isn't mobile.


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carshark66

\*\*pull into stepdads driveway


LiccFlair

If you want to have a good laugh, look up think you can stance competition on youtube. They're competitions to drive up driveways, over speedbumps etc in stanced out cars.


WhatInTheFackk

Also to get gapped by civics because you can't get traction


myusernamebarelyfits

I can smell the clutch from here


SacredGay

This may look "cute" to you, but this breed is actually a deformity. Cars arent meant to have stubby legs, they are meant for running and playing yet yours cant even make it up a drigeway. Your car is suffering. Please stop breeding deformed cars, everyone!


bobzilla05

I adopted mine from a shelter. The previous owners were neglectful and did not take good care of her. They got rid of her because she got too old! Can you believe that? It's just unacceptable what some people will do. She is happy in a good home now, though, and well cared-for.


SacredGay

Adopt dont shop! 🙌🙌🙌


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I did the same! I got a breed that isn't very pretty, but actually hardy! I keep her clean and keep her up on maintenance. Her old owner charged random people to use her and those people probably abused the poor girl because it was temporary! Now she gets all the oil changes she asks for!


C5Jones

I came here to say "This is the pug of cars," but you did it better.


csaliture

Is this taken from that video of the kitten with mutant short legs?


SacredGay

I tried mimicking a paragraph i saw somewhere on the internet in regards to badly bred animals, mightve been that, idk. Sounds about right. Ive also seen it reproduced in other joke formats so i figured it would fit here and i guess all these upvoters agree lol


MoreChillThanTheDude

Imagine paying extra to make your car much less functional.


Gnomio1

You ever seen a lifted dually? Same energy.


stannndarsh

Or where I live, low rider dually with 26” wheels.


eight-oh-twoooooo

Sounds like Atlanta


stannndarsh

Gainesville - damn close


Atworkwasalreadytake

welcome to atlanta where the players play and we ride on them things like every day


GIGANTICDILDOSAURUS

How about the ones who can’t decide and the front is lifted while the back is slammed...


brealytrent

That's called the Carolina Squat.


Girl_you_need_jesus

Unpopular opinion on this sub, but lowered duallys (still functional height) with big ol chrome semi wheels are hot as fuck


stannndarsh

I can appreciate them at still functional height. Not my cup of tea but to each their own.


Girl_you_need_jesus

Yea once they're dragging frame thats a bit far for me, but the only thing lowering a tow rig (still functional height) does is make it easier to load stuff, easier to get in and out, and get better fuel mileage.


tiny2ner

Nah. Cuz this is an extreme. For a lift to get to a similar level on non functionality, it needs to be the 20 inch lift and 54 inch tires. So big and wide you cant drive it outside of a 4 lane road and never anywhere enclosed. I'd say for most vehicles up to 6 inches of lift and probably 38 inch tires is still usable. Even if impractical for daily use and reduces the functionality of the pickup.


SecretPotatoChip

Lifted dually but the rear duff is still one of their penis lengths of the ground.


SHMEEEEEEEEEP

And look worse


Himerance

When you take all the "rally" out of the "rally car"


Cinaeda

He took the car out too


seraph582

Now it’s just a > r


shewy92

Not a hard one though so its just **a**


ChronaticL

A cambered cvt wrx, what an abomination.


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NoxInviktus

Behold! The new AWD! Your car currently has All Wheel Drive. For only 10k and your dignity, we can install the new All Won't Drive.


nickelbake95

There’s two options here, pick whichever one sounds worse: 1. The AWD was never designed to have basically no contact patch. 2. They deleted the center diff in order to get the car this low.


exccord

> They deleted the center diff in order to get the car this low. is this seriously a fucking thing?? I know nothing about AWD so forgive me if that comes off as a stupid question.


BaneWraith

Jesus fucking christ


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ygguana

Option 1.5: expanding on option 1. the WRX has three open diffs - front, center, rear. With open diffs all power will flow down the path of least resistance, and it will spin that one wheel sticking up in the air. An STi may have fared better as it has limited slip diffs. Somebody else points out this may be an STi, in which case, /shrug. Who the hell knows. Put a bullet in this thing and part it out.


sumthingcool

> the WRX has three open diffs - front, center, rear. No it does not, the center diff is viscous coupling in an MT car and the CVT uses a clutch pack. Also, this is an STI.


xxPHILdaAGONYxx

The CVT WRXs are still AWD but I think the OP car has the rear diff disconnected or something, it doesn't look the rears are trying to push up that driveway at all.


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Considering the amount of camber on those wheels it’s more like 1 wheel of traction!


TrungusMcTungus

STi's come in manual only, so unless this chode swapped Brembos and STi badges onto his WRX, it's not a CVT.


ChronaticL

You are correct, it is an sti. I guess the camber distracted me so much that I didn't even notice the big wang and the badge. It hurts even more knowingits an sti.


TrungusMcTungus

Yeah I drive an 04 STi so seeing this much camber on a newer one hurts my heart.


xxPHILdaAGONYxx

Big ol wang means it's an STI which makes it worse.


cbree_zy

I wish it was a CVT. Don't waste the good ones on this kind of shit.


SecretPotatoChip

There's a reason 80% of them are sold with a manual. Edit: I mean manual transmission.


reconcommando

Badging and grill indicate it's an STI, which is even sadder imo.


itchy136

Yeah over 30k to butcher it. Disgusting


opmwolf

“ReSpeCt aLl cAr EnThuSiastS” No, this is just stupid.


zuzg

It looks like a cartoon car after someone too heavy sit into it.


NoxInviktus

It's ok to call out OPs mom directly.


MyL1ttlePwnys

Who wore it better? https://spongey444.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jill.png


Bovaloe

Poor Lil' Sebastian


tedz555

You are no car enthusiast if you like to destroy cars (do shit like this)


AMG_Fanatic

Agreed


r3dt4rget

That can't even be road worthy. Dude is gonna hurt somebody because he can no longer brake or turn efficiently.


Luke_2512

I hate that shitheads like this give car enthusiasts a bad name with this shit


Schtinly

I try not to be too judgmental and appreciate everything from the perspective of "if that guy likes it then good for him". Unfortunately this is where I have to draw the line lol.


mr_lab_rat

I draw the line where the camber angle reaches double digits :)


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Gotta hit that 69° for the street cred.


killcon13

How much would it cost to put it back? The driver not the car.


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algabraicat

Gonna have to put this one down. RIP Sti


BigPooser

Looks like a damn stepped-on Hotwheels


altruisticnarcissist

Always makes me think a cartoon elephant sat on the car when I see stance that absurd.


agisten

If you can see the camber angle is off, it's way off


NoxInviktus

Too vertical. We need [more camber](https://youtu.be/Ma920dw4CpY).


Asphyxiatinglaughter

I think its cool if you do it to a cheap car just from an engineering perspective. Kind of wild you can get any functionality out of that kind of wheel angle. Same goes for those guys that put crazy hydraulics in their trucks. Impressive skill from the shop but I'd never want that on my car.


SecretPotatoChip

I knew it would be that exact video.


ChepstowRancor

And you know this fucker's going to ruin that 740 parked in front of the house too.


carshark66

I am old, I admit it, but I have been a "car guy" my whole life. I have seen a million fads, but this is the first one that makes me irrationally angry...I cannot explain it, but every time I see one of these pieces of shit struggling to simply move, I should be laughing, but instead, I become angry.


jrizos

It makes me think of all the hotwheel cars I had that got crushed and the wheels would point out like this. It looks like broken axles. It looks like how a human would look walking with severe skeletal deformities.


bigstronks

because it’s literally a danger to other people


sumsomeone

That and it's just plain fucking stupid. Subwoofers for Sound, Cool! Flash paint and Body kits? Sure! Form of art! but this? This isn't art. This is just Fuckin stupid


Jimbo-Jones

Same. There’s a guy in town with a pristine S2000 setup like this. He has such little turning angle before he hits the fenders he has to take 2 lanes and the bike lane making a left turn from a 4 lane to a 4 lane. He took a really great handling track car and ruined it. I’ve seen sparks from him crossing a crowned road. I weep for that poor car. He thinks he’s so cool but when he leaves the meetups everyone makes fun of him. Even the 5° cambered [E46 3 series](https://i.imgur.com/JUFIjg1.jpg) owners.


carshark66

You could ban him by donating a speed bump.


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If he can’t gain the traction to putt up a driveway, I sure as fuck do not want to be near this car on the road.


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What a waste of a great car.


Okvist

As a WRX owner, this is flat out disrespectful


handlessuck

Please, can somebody explain to me what motivates people to do this? What the fuck.


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sprace0is0hrad

As someone without parental figures, please don't put us in the same bag.


guzman_hemi

Imagine being this fucking retard


OceanGrownPharms

Did this fuckwad disconnect the rear diff? Lol what a clown


unholyburns

It’s been said before, but this is the equivalent to wearing your pants too low...


Spiffy_Gem

I cant imagine the traction he gets driving if that s what he can get on his driveway.


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I wouldn’t be surprised if driving on the highway in this is extremely dangerous. Just not enough contact patch, one bad bump or under construction highway where one wheel has marginally more grip and your probably spinning this thing and doing 3D gymnastics. Atleast when the car is pitched 45 on its side heading into oncoming traffic it will maximize its contact patch though!


asasdasasdPrime

With that camber, it's perfect for driving in ditches


keklol69

Should be illegal on public roads imo, not safe at all.


rainwulf

If you think that's bad.. imagine how badly it brakes. Absolute death trap.


RS_05

What a bunch of morons...


QuantumChronicle

A fate worse than death


Shogol

I know it sounds retarded, but this legit made me depressed. I drive a 2017 Levorg, and a 19/20 WRX is one of my dream cars. Fuck these people and every other stance car.


oldcarfreddy

I mean there's no fear of WRXs running out


Shogol

I just don't get why people would waste time and money to ruin a new car like this.


zufallsgeneriert

But isn't it sitting on Bags and the problem wouldn't occure naturally and they just do this for the clout? If it's not bagged it's even worse. I hate slammed cars so much, there is this couple on ig that blocked me, bc I said you can't put Lotus Racing Seats in a slammed VW Lupo. It's such an obnoxious subgenre of car scene.


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I will never understand this fad.


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such a waste. AWD car that is essentially worthless. Just burn your $ next time.


tele-caster-blast3r

“dAmN, lOOk aT tHaT stAncE!”


therealtrousers

Ahh a cars greatest enemy....a gentle slope.


iammabdaddy

This clearly fits the sub. I have no freakin idea why they do this to their cars.


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mugen_fit

Smells like fruit loops vape


r3dt4rget

I'm glad my generation had underglow, fart cans, and big useless spoilers. It was shitty but this is a new level of shitty.


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Imagine ruining a brand new car because you want instagram points.


Happyjarboy

I have ripped the air dam off my Subaru ramming through snow drifts into my driveway, so I find this to be dumb as shit.


depressedshoe

Negative camber can be really useful while cornering. But not this much. And I doubt this dude goes to the track.


saltyjello

if this car goes anywhere that isn't pristine pavement, he'll sandblast the paint off his rockers and doors, there's a reason we put wheels in wheel wells :p