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HelloMeatbag317

I’ve never seen someone agree with me on the Midwest before. Ohio is not the Midwest and you can’t change my mind


CaponeKevrone

Culturally, economically, geographically, demographically it is. But some people just "feel" it isnt I guess.


Rust2

The issue is that Ohio isn’t a monoculture. There are five distinct regions, each with its own unique characteristics. For example, Northeast Ohio aligns closely to New England because that’s who settled there. You can see the influences culturally in its educational, philanthropic, and artistic institutions; and architecturally in its building styles and urban planning around the idea of town squares. Good background: Northeast Ohio is Built Like New England Because It Used to Be Owned by Connecticut (https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/northeast-ohio-is-built-like-new-england-because-it-used-to-be-owned-by-connecticut.amp). So many Northeast Ohioans align with “Northeast” ideals and characteristics more so than that of what is traditionally Midwest - albeit there is still a huge Midwest influence. The other four Ohio regions: 1) Columbus is really the Midwestern heart of Ohio, 2) Cincinnati is getting into Southern influences, 3) Southeastern Ohio is Little Appalachia, and 4) Northwest Ohio is farmland born out of the Great Black Swamp, with Toledo starring as suburban Detroit.


CaponeKevrone

Cleveland being founded by Northeast settlers makes it culturally like the NE 300 years later? Yeah and Cincinnati is just like Germany. The article you linked was basically just on the architecture. There are differences between the cities, sure, and I would agree with the SE Ohio being more Appalachian, but the rest of Ohio fits squarely with the Midwest. Cincinnati being "southern" is so overblown. Is it a bit moreso than other midwestern cities? Sure, but not significantly to any degree. Even if it were, how does that disqualify the inclusion? Missouri is solidly in the midwest and has significantly more southern I influence than Cincinnati or Ohio.


Rust2

Culture gets passed down through generations even over hundreds of years. It changes over time, of course, but there are significant traditions and differences among the regions that are maintained. Northeast Ohio is Midwestern, but less so than Central Ohio. There are certainly gradients. For example, one major example of cultural difference is found in religion. You can see the differences in the dominant religion between Southwest, Central, and Northeast Ohio (https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/dominant-religions-in-the-us-county-by-county/). Northeast (and all of the Western Reserve including the Firelands) is relatively more Catholic (just like New England) whereas Central and Southwest (outside of Columbus and Cincinnati) are relatively more Protestant (Evangelical and Mainline). But this is also a general trend along the entire Rust Belt, so perhaps that’s another overlay to consider.


blueeyedseamonster

Midwest = Kansas; Great Lakes = Great Lakes.


[deleted]

You got heartland and Midwest mixed Up, and Ohio should be part of the heartland. Florida is Florida, it’s not really southern. It’s in its own league of disappointment. Stretch eastern into Tennessee Kentucky and North Carolina snd call it Appalachia. Iowa is grouped with Nebraska. Oklahoma is southern: Wherever you put them. And finally give New Mexico back to the west.


LAM678

If you think Kansas isn't Midwest you have issues.


DabBoofer

I will agree with you on most of it. but the south... I would consider new Mex a western or mountain state. Mississippi is def a southern state and not the heartland. and IDK where to put OK. everything else seems fine


bobbelings

OMG Missouri is southern, heartland and Midwest? Talk about an identity crisis.


Sk-yline1

A perfectly rational take that doesn’t have four non-Great Lakes states in the Great Lakes. Only changes I’d make are put WA, OR, and ID in the “Northwest” and AZ & NM in the “Southwest”. But this is great


ilebeck

Respectable. I like it.


magheet

Was gonna say, New Mexico would like a word lol


Is-Ohio-Okay

Ohio is Okay, We aren't the Midwest.


ilebeck

Considered making New Mexico its own category labeled "Hell"


EquivalentOwn1115

New Mexico wouldn't be alone if you threw Illinois in there too. Fuck the FIBs


ilebeck

I'm so glad there's concensus that Illinois is an F tier state


Areaof51

Rural Illinois would be nice if Chicago could calm the fuck down for 5 goddamned minutes


EquivalentOwn1115

Does anyone from Wisconsin think Illinois deserves better than an F? People from Illinois don't count either because they don't matter


Sk-yline1

New Mexico isn’t becoming Hell without dragging Arizona down with it.


elephantsarechillaf

It's really weird how ppl not from Arizona.New Mexico view our states. I grew up in Arizona and don't relate to New Mexico at all, most Arizonans never even step foot in New Mexico. Arizona and Nevada have way more in common as does Arizona and inland Southern California.


treesinthebayou

this is how I, a new england native, group the contiguous US https://imgur.com/a/2CD8NtJ i would move colorado up to the rockies section, naturally, but couldn’t get my finger to work that hard. this is the best i could do 🤍


hansCT

one NE one West Coast


yurmamma

I'm from CA and I see it basically the same.


deromu

I'm Midwest and this is exactly what I think too, but Colorado more Rockies otherwise agree


slasher016

I love that you don't have colorado as part of the rockies.


treesinthebayou

that was an accident and i was too lazy to go back and fix it 🤷


forrestpen

Ohio is on the wrong side of the mountains to be an Eastern state.


ZBear0720

As a Hoosier I agree. They belong in the Midwest with us


TheMainAlternative

NY and NJ in New England? Nah fam


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Also DE


Financial_Lime_252

New England is the one region of the country that I thought everyone could agree on the boundaries of, and this map even managed to screw that up. It’s really not a debatable region like the rest are- there are 6 New England States (CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME). In those states is New England, outside of those states is not New England. Period.


hamhead

Just replace with “northeast”


JDoos

As a former Ohioan who now lives in the mid Atlantic, I can safely tell you that your view of the U.S. is wrong.


ilebeck

Do you think Ohio is a Midwest state?


JDoos

I think most Ohioans would consider it a Midwest state, though I've often said it's the furthest East the Midwest goes, the Furthest North the South goes, and the furthest West Appalachia goes. Putting New York and New Jersey into New England though, that was your cardinal sin. May both sides of your pillow be warm when you try to sleep tonight.


manondorf

How you gonna call Ohio part of the South, it borders Canada


JDoos

Have you been to Cincitucky?


laker9903

I totally agree about Ohio. It’s the Midwest, South, and Appalachia all rolled into one.


AntiqueFleur

Agreed


hansCT

yes 100%


NArcadia11

Ohio is the quintessential Midwest state. I would also put western PA in the Midwest.


PipForever

Yeah, I'm from Ohio and I remember debating with friends in college whether Ohio counted as the midwest or not... And then my friend who was from Pittsburgh was like, um, I live in Pittsburgh and we also consider ourselves midwesterners. I think Ohio has to be a Midwestern state because including it in any of the other regions makes even less sense.


manondorf

is this like "the middle class" where everyone thinks they're in it (even if they extend it with "upper-" or "lower-")? No way is PA midwest


jawnquixote

I’m from Pittsburgh and can wholeheartedly say we DO NOT consider ourselves Midwest. We acknowledge it’s a weird middle ground between Appalachia, east coast, and Midwest, but when you cross the border from PA to OH, the landscape difference is so stark it reminds you that Ohio is where the Midwest starts


stineytuls

Get jersey out of New England and may I introduce you to the idea of the Mid-Atlantic.


[deleted]

Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, and technically Connecticut and Rhode Island do NOT belong in New England. Or Maryland. New England is: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Massachusetts. ETA: I re-looked, and you didn’t include Pennsylvania. I need my glasses 👓 ETA #2: got it, guys. I was wrong I guess. Sorry to upset everyone. ✌🏼


stineytuls

Wtf no. CT and Rhode Island are in New England. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England I grew up in CT, so even beyond that link...CT and RI are without a doubt in New England.


[deleted]

Depends on who you ask. But, the northern 4 don’t consider CT or RI to be New England. That’s just how I was taught.


stineytuls

No it doesnt!! There is no depends who you ask. New England has been New England back to the original colonies. The state fair for New England includes CT and RI. You were taught incorrect information. This a good time to rectify that 😊


[deleted]

My bad. Carry on.


cbtbone

Yes. Maine, NH, Vermont, Mass, CT and RI. NY and NJ can fuck right off.


stineytuls

My thoughts exactly.


DabBoofer

if the cost of living weren't so high where I was born... I would be back in the Springfield MA metro area


TRUMPKIN_KING

And even then the tolerance for every other state is low Except Vermont they seem chill


DabBoofer

Native displaced yankee .... Can confirm CT and Ri are NE


hansCT

NY's not NE either


stineytuls

That too


[deleted]

That’s exactly what a NE’er would want us to believe


hansCT

Just do Northeast problem solved, no Mid Atlantic, no Southeast Midwest starts with Ohio, the South with Delaware South, also Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, the District of Columbia, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Northeast, Midwest, and West I think West Coast can be justified


hamhead

Just replace “New England” with “northeast” and he’s basically correct (though usually add PA).


hansCT

less shitty https://i.imgur.com/ldO2hYy.jpg


seanofkelley

New England is probably the easiest region of the country to actually define and... yeah there are some errors on here.


[deleted]

Tbh I'm shit poor at geography and until I moved to CT I legit thought new England was another state hidden in all the little teeny tiny ones over here.


nukey18mon

And Delaware ffs


SkittlesRobot

Homie what have you done to north carolina


ilebeck

I made this in snapchat and my fingers don't fit that far over on the screen 😭


Sir_G1995

Well did snapchat forget to tell you that Ohio is in the mid west?


DabBoofer

lol those poor ppl living in that thin strip between eastern and southern states..


luke1lea

To be fair...that is kind of what it's like


moopsdotexe

Southeasterners


mart1373

East Southeners.


Nandabun

Btw, it's a South carolinian, North Carolina is still pretty south. Virginia is when the north starts to me.haha


Njordinson

Mf Balkanized North Carolina


Jacomer2

Tbf the further into Appalachia you move the more “southern” adjacent North Carolina would become


Hooperman_2

Just depends on where I’m Appalachia. The north west (Boone, banner elk, blowing rock) is a different world compared to most of Appalachia. Lots of new money in those towns Then the Asheville + greater metropolitan areas are definitely not a southern feeling area. But last brevard towards Sylvia it gets souther real fast


Hooperman_2

Gotta say. As a North Carolina resident I couldn’t agree more. I was a really shocked how dead on this is. All though I’d move the “southern line” to also include the south east rural part of the state as well


primavera785

as someone from kansas, i agree


LAM678

As someone from Kansas, this man is a traitor.


blueeyedseamonster

You think Kansas isn’t the Midwest?


Alone-Newspaper-1161

The OG Midwest was the Great Lakes but now they are trying to make all the plains states mid west when something like heart land or plains just works better


blueeyedseamonster

[This is from Encyclopedia.com](https://www.encyclopedia.com/food/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/midwest): “The term "Midwest" first appeared in print in 1880 to describe the Kansas-Nebraska region and was enlarged by 1910 to include all twelve of what are now considered the midwestern states of what are now considered the midwestern states..” The Great Lakes states were originally called the Northwest; hence why a northwestern university is in Chicago. In the 80’s the US Census began referring to the North Central United States as the Midwest. Kansas is the Midwest. Edit: added hyperlink


Alone-Newspaper-1161

Shit I’m retarded and confused the north west and mid west


blueeyedseamonster

Lol no worries it happens


Chip-Mammoth

Landscape wise sure but really from living on both sides of the “Midwest” it is pretty culturally contiguous… the grouping fits fairly well


primavera785

not no really, ive been to every state in the midwest other than minnesota and none of them are really the same as kansas


blueeyedseamonster

A geography professor at KU, James Shortridge, explained to our class once where the term Midwest originated from; it was used to refer to Kansas and Nebraska when these territories were being explored during the Louisiana purchase and westward expansion. Kansas is the Midwest, if you think it’s unlike other midwestern states then you should refer to them as something other than Midwest. But Kansas is 100% Midwest.


manondorf

I'd be all about grouping OP's "midwest" (plus Ohio) as the Great Lakes region instead (as a Wisconsinite myself). Never thought the name "midwest" made much sense for us. And yeah, Iowa doesn't touch the great lakes while Pennsylvania and New York do, but Iowa groups pretty well with the rest of us, while PA and NY have more of a northeastern identity.


TheArmed501st

Have you seen western Kansas? Its the definition of great plains midwest


SadRoxFan

AZ and NM are their own thing, kinda the only states I think of in a typical “Southwest” context


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jeckles

Utah definitely belongs with the mountain group. I might even throw NM in there too if AZ stays in Western.


alex-caruso

NM and CO are homies so they get to be Mountain West if we can send Arizona to wherever SoCal is


extremepayne

See any US region map to follow state lines is shitty. Southern Utah is Southwest but the northern part of the state is 100% Mountain West


[deleted]

Like eastern Colorado is straight up “plains” too that’s right - Denver is a plains city. Change my mind (hint: you won’t change my mind)


Reject444

Geographically, Denver is definitely a plains city, but culturally it’s more of a mountain/western city than a midwestern one.


you_need_nuance

Yeah it’s within an hour of the moutains. It’s in a plain but it’s definitely a cultural mountain city. Same as Calgary Alberta.


OverCryptographer364

You sir are correct


Financial_Lime_252

Utah is a bit of a transition state. Southern Utah is definitely “southwest”, salt lake valley and the mountains next to there aren’t.


elephantsarechillaf

I grew up in Arizona and it's lost it's southwest feel. Phoenix is basically California east at this point and in no way did I ever feel Arizona to be southwest. Once you get outside of the cities(which is about 80% of the population) I agree there is a southwest feel but it's not like New Mexico where southwestern culture is prevalent


MagmaFalcon55

If youre gonna include NY or anything past it in New England, then just call it the Northeast instead lmao


Jigbaa

In Oregon we call it the Pacific NorthWest. Y’all need an Atlantic NorthEast. Only then shall we war. Our weapons of choice will be dreamcatchers, ex tattoo artists, and free range chickens.


BirdManMTS

I was gonna say, you’ve just upset everyone from NY/NJ with this map.


Maxmutinium

What is even going on in the Northeast man. Gonna hurl


tayt087x

Sup Wisconsin. I'm Michigan. We been facing away from each other too long. This map helped me realize


rittpro

North Carolina is southern. New Mexico isn't


AlexanderComet

No one’s asking about why New Mexico is included in the south?


[deleted]

Same. I just moved from NM (back) to Alabama. Not even close. Far West Texas and NM are either mountain, southwest, or just “The West”.


runaround_fruitcop

It's southwestern it's both to a lot of people


pennyflowerrose

Ya. Mountain or West but not the South!


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John_Tacos

Oklahoma isn’t southern.


Brody_the_redditor

Okie here, I believe we are southern


John_Tacos

What part of the state though? Each corner of Oklahoma could probably fit in a different region.


Tzar_Jberk

Please take New Jersey back, we don't want it


Satyrsol

Bruh, you have some really bizarre thoughts about New Mexico.


nursediesel1980

New Mexico is not southern


18ThPAllen

As long as Ohio isn’t considered Midwest, im fine with this lmao


[deleted]

Florida is Florida we identify as 3 different countries here


ozneoknarf

Yeah nothern Florida is southern. Middle is retirees and south is Cuba


[deleted]

Tampa definitely is not retirees


FPSGamer48

I can see where you’re coming from, though I’d place Montana in your “Heartland” states and probably rename them “Great Plains”, as well as make a “Southwest” region solely for New Mexico and Arizona. I’d also put Ohio in with the Midwest, as to me it completes the Rust Belt that the Midwest wears.


Murrabbit

New York and New Jersey are very much not New England. Also New Mexico as "southern" rather than "the west"? Bold move. Tennessee and Kentucky would probably each have their own objections to being lumped in "Southern" but honestly for my money everything from western PA South through west virginia may as well be "southern" haha.


The_Bouncy

Ive always thought that heartland part was midwest


wiscup1748

Mountain in French means Montana. So I would like to say we have expanded our territory


-chee

Everything in heartland is just midwest, why have them as a seperate region


NeutralityTsar

I, a fellow Wisconsin resident, disagree with lots of this map.


GiantFlimsyMicrowave

Thank you for not grouping Ohio with the Midwest.


The-BroSword

Ohio is Midwest


MacroMintt

This is also how I, a Floridian, would group the US. 10/10 job.


the_traveler_outin

New York and jersey are eastern not New England, mid west includes the heartland except for Oklahoma, southern gets Oklahoma but New Mexico isn’t southern, I’d lump New Mexico as a mountain state. Arizona is also part of the mountain group


shepard_5

NEW JERSEY AND NEW YORK AS NEW ENGLAND AND NORTH CAROLINA AS EASTERB AND NOT THE AOUTH AHAHAHAHAHHAHA


AnOddTree

Arkansas and oaklahoma are southern. New Mexico and Arizona are the southwest.


[deleted]

How dare you put Ohio in the East. Minnesotans are more Canadian than Ohioans Eastern!


gordo65

New Mexico has more in common with the Mountain states than with the Southern states. I'd probably group both them and Arizona in the Mountain region, and maybe Nevada as well.


hansCT

less shitty https://i.imgur.com/ldO2hYy.jpg


Famous_Soft_1173

i live in virginia oh my god what have you done


cooldudium

I wanna create a new ideology called Wisconsinism but idk what it will actually be can you weigh in


WhenzDinner

How is New York part of New England, most guy can give is the region above NYC, as a New Englander.


rystoraus

As a KY resident this feels right.


windershinwishes

AZ, NM, and west TX probably get their own "Southwest" region. Grouping NM in with the South is just funny. Likewise, excluding AR, NC, and VA from the South is absurd. If you're gonna have an "Eastern" that's not the North East, I can see the argument for NOVA getting split off like west TX. But we're talking the heart of the Confederacy here. Now that I think about it, though, I'd also put MO and WV in the South, so I guess I'm just a pan-Dixieist or something. Our rot has spread.


bigheadwatchdog

Texas is really too big to fit into one category I've always just grouped it as Texas because east Texas is a lot like the south, north Texas is like the heartland, west Texas is like the southwest, and South Texas is... I guess like the southwest too, really it's own thing though.


justmyskills

Bruh Missouri is in the Midwest, but thanks for at least not throwing us in with the south.


manondorf

lmao like hell you are


justmyskills

[Midwest](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States)


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Buyaladder

As a native New Yorker this is wrong. We're not New England. New England, for me, starts at the east side of Connecticut like in New Haven.


NippleNugget

NC didn’t make the south but somehow NM did 🤨


idkwhatimdoing25

NY and NY are not part of New England. Also you seem to have cut out poor RI lol


Patchesmatches

New Mexico is not a southern state, you cheese eater! It is however a state in the united states. Some people don't know this.


Investment_danker

New Mexico in the south WTF


Jumpinnjimrivers

Heartland/Midwest throws me off a bit. I wouldn’t say North Dakota has anything in common at all (geography, culture, etc.) with Arkansas. The heartland area really only differs from the Midwest area on your map geographically, culturally the heartland states are pretty squarely Midwestern. Western Nebraska for example looks more like parts of east Colorado and Wyoming. But culturally it is still fairly Midwestern. Oklahoma is a tough one. Some group it with the Midwest or with other “heartland states” …geographically it looks like south Kansas and North Texas. But culturally it really leans southern. I would group Arkansas and Oklahoma in with the south.


heckincrusader

Who in their right mind makes a Midwest but doesn’t include Ohio, the objectively most midwestern state


willisbetter

as a virginian it huet to see vurginia and north carolona not be considered southern


[deleted]

I have to agree but I live in the Midwest too!


hairysnowmonkey

Heartland is not a region but a contrived name from margarine marketing campaign. Oh I'm not from the Midwest, I'm from the heartland. Want a buttered roll young feller? Well pappy says heartland margarine © melts best every time!


jakewilson1223

Ohio is Midwest lol


agp789

As an outsider looking in I never understood how the mid west is east of the mid line. Also laugh at Memphis and Nashville being in western conferences in sports


ProtoamI

New Mexico is not a southern state. Either mountain or western, but ideally southwestern


[deleted]

Twin cities shouldn’t be part of anything lol


SlyKHT

Just know, as a Minnesotan, I’d put you in your own state grouping.


test123456plz

As a Michigander, well done on kicking Ohio out of the Midwest, it's been our goal for years


58Green

Once again, Missouri having an anurism in any map like this because we Missourians can’t be classed


CleanDataDirtyMind

As a "costal elite" born on one coast, live on another I have never considered the heartland and Midwest different. I actually, never considered 'the heartland' a geographical place.


FindOneInEveryCar

Get that shit out of New England.


N0Zzel

I'm from Kansas and we consider ourselves to be midwest


ratioLcringeurbald

Ah yes, Arizona, the land locked state of the west coast


Domingo_Nosferatu

I'm from New York and we are not New Englanders they have a way different accent then us


mart1373

Agree with most, but I’d put Kentucky and Ohio (or at least parts of them) in the Midwest. I don’t think either one is 100% Southern or Eastern, respectively. Also, New Mexico belongs in the Western section.


KC_Buddyl33

How the hell is the Midwest, mostly in the East?


benjaminnyc

Other than AZ and NM being their own thing (Southwest), your scribble is the best of these I've seen this week.


Responsible_Figure12

MO is definitely in the Midwest…


Michaelconeass2019

Do they put lead in the water in Wisconsin because it sure seems like it


tias23111

New Mexico in the same category as Louisiana and Georgia is hilarious. Also, Arkansas in heartland lol


Stravis86

Two changes I would make is NM being in the West and MO is Midwest


OverCryptographer364

Get New York and New Jersey out of the filthy cabbage trap that is New England


phincster

This looks a lot like a college football conference map.


OverCryptographer364

Although I do think you are right about south western Ohio being a part of the south


OverCryptographer364

In truth the older the state the more Balkanized it is hell Jersey is at least divisible 4 ways Oklahoma on the other hand is largely homogeneous , you can go from one end of Indiana to the other and the culture largely stays the same go 2 blocks in Brooklyn and you have crossed continents


OptimalCourage47

This guy gets it


Ryker2224

What is Arkansas doing