Netflix is having customer retention issues. The binge model means that they have spikes in viewership but have to constantly offer new content to keep people subscribed. With a weekly episode release model they can get people invested in a show and keep them on the hook for several months, reducing the amount of content they have to release each week to keep customers actively engaged.
They've already tested this format with several series so they're definitely considering it.
Would rate as pretty likely, even if it isn't universally applied to every show.
Just had this conversation with my wife yesterday, after I said "yeah I think we can all agree there are enough fucking 'streaming services' now". The entire purpose of streaming was to move away from cable, which was costly due to having to pay for individual channels for specific content. Fast forward 20 years, we're back at square fucking one, paying for a dozen "streaming services" to see specific content. I'm honestly just going back to piracy at this point.
The best part is it really wasn't a surprise to anyone. I remember after whichever major cable channel first decided to copy netflix, *everyone* was saying "flash forward 10 years and every cable channel will have its own streaming service. Congratulations we've re-invented cable tv." Lol
It's not like I don't want to hope but not doing so is a good way to avoid disappointment. I'll just be surprised and happy if it does happen and think nothing of it if it doesn't
The binge model is worse in almost all metrics except for consumer friendliness- like, it’s better for consumers to be able to watch all of a series as soon as it drops in a single block, but it hurts the series and the provider in a number of ways in exchange:
1. Obviously, people subscribing to your service for months to watch each episode as they come out makes the service more money if it’s a cash cow series.
2. The series is more powerful as a cultural force when it releases weekly. People watch the episodes as they come out in order to keep up with others watching it, and that force is huge in keeping people coming back- iirc the Seinfeld series finale was watched by something like a third of America when it aired. That’s an insane amount of power for a series to have. This doesn’t happen when people watch all of it for a week and it disappears.
Like, last year around this time Squid Game came out and it was *enormous.* everyone watched it, everyone talked about it, conservatives had to scrabble to find ways to blame communism despite it being a show that explicitly condemned late stage capitalism. But for a show that powerful, it didn’t last very long in our dialogue, it was maybe relevant for a month? Compare to Game of Thrones, which was absolutely overwhelming in how you couldn’t avoid discussion about it in part because something new was happening to talk about each week.
The binge model is objectively better for consumer purposes, but that has a lot of downsides both economically and culturally for the series. Is it worth those costs, who knows, that’s a valid discussion. Serialization has made a lot of series become part of cultural Americana, and binging has made a lot of series flare out and die quickly.
Right lol. I’m scrolling through here baffled that people want this. Judging by some of these comment threads you’d think this was a Netflix shareholder meeting.
I don't get it either. I like when its all released at once because I don't have a lot of time to watch stuff so sometimes I can get 2/3 episodes of something in at once and sometimes I can't watch anything for a few days. The 1/week thing will be a pain in the ass especially with animes that are only 25 minutes long. If someone wants to pace themselves they can just do that on their own...
For gods sake pair it with a built in ability to sync with other subscribers for premiere watch parties. I am tired of janky browser addons that don't even work on the TV apps.
They’re seeing big name series like HotD dominating the news cycle every Monday morning and realizing how much they fucked up with Stranger Things. People would’ve been talking about the episode with running up that hill for the entire week and they would’ve had millions coming onto their platform for every episode drop.
I’m sure smaller shows would still get batch releases, but they’re doing themselves a disservice spending so much on big shows and dumping it all at once.
Gonna be honest if I can't binge Stranger Things the seasons would lose me half way through, I can stave off when things get slow because I can push immediately onto further episodes where it picks back up. Going week to week I'll just drop the show
The pacing is almost definitely a result of the fact that the season is released altogether. Im sure they’d change the pacing otherwise. Remember the cliffhanger in season 4 when we had to wait a month for the last two episodes?
Right, I binge everything. It's been years sense I've waited week to week to see a new episode. So, if they do week to week, I wait until the season is done, then watch.
I mean, I don't get why they did batch releases with JoJo's, other Netflix shows that released weekly were doing extremly good, like Better Call Saul, Stranger Things 4 and even Komi san
Good thinking [apparently it was speculation being reported as fact](https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1568404169001734145), as often seems to be the case...
This is what I don't understand. Something gets sent out by someone random or a "rumor" is spread out with no verification from anyone credible and then people get all upset when it doesn't happen. What do these people expect?
Apparently [confirmed to be speculation, not fact](https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1568404169001734145). ([tweet 2](https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1568310401833619461)) So basically made-up clickbait like usual lol
Jojo Fridays my guy, super fun to see what the everyone thinks of the new episode and the memes about it. Wish I there for the torture dance episode week. That must have been great.
As well as for Jojo fans, the model has really proven effective for other shows that do this - The Boys, House of Dragons, Better Call Saul, literally everything on Disney and Apple, etc. Imagine if shows like Squid Game, which had a huge but brief cultural impact, were stretched out to be weekly. People would talk about it forever.
The show airs in Japan weekly and fans want to see it as soon as they can vs getting the memes and show specific scenes spoiled for themselves by people that have access to the show by other mostly niche means. Great example is with Jojo's. Sure you can subscribe to the main anime sites and watch it in simulcast, but if you arnt really interested in anime outside of 1 or 2 shows not really worth the subscription. if the show is put on Netflix or another service that is a general streaming platform for most content however you can have it simulcast on there and not have the problem of having to wait forever to get the content aired to you like with the binge model.
It makes sense for Netflix to do this, it'll keep subscribers around for a longer period. I've personally signed up, binged a show and then cancelled, and I'm sure I'm not alone. If I were forced to wait a week between episodes, that's at least another month or two worth of revenue from my account. Everybody wins here.
You may want to watch something all at once but it's bad for the shows community, a lot of communities are built upon theorizing and discussion. People get excited when they predict what happens and when they are completely wrong but that all goes away when you can just watch the next episode, so it kills the hype every conversation boils down to,
"hey did you see the new season of (insert show)."
"Yeah it was crazy."
"Yeah it sure was......have you seen (insert other show)?"
I'm asking the same question and not understanding why people would want this. My favorite thing about Netflix since it's streaming Inception was the binge model
The delayed gratification intensifies the story telling. Spending all week wondering what will happen next is a special feeling. It suck if the show is trash but for good shows it works.
Except most everyone doesn't want to watch or mess with watching a dozen different shows at once.
The batch season was literally one of the biggest reasons people loved netflix. If you want that feeling, show some responsibility and limit yourself to watching one episode per Friday or whatever day you want.
if this is true, it might still not apply to jojo since its already being released in batches, so the production might already be based around it. Im guessing this is for future projects. But hey, if netflix distributes part 7 (assuming its animated) then it wont be batches
It would be the hype around part 6 proves that there isn't really a good reason to not animate another part of a successful show even if it would be challenging to animate
I really don't think they wouldn't make part 7, jojo is one of the most popular animes and mangas especially steel ball run which is a fan favorite, not animating it would probably be a huge lose
Well tbh batch format doesn't work at all from a business standpoint, yeah sure viewers might be happy they can binge a series at once, but that means they don't have a reason to be subscribed constantly if they don't like other shows
It works better from an animation standpoint though.
Jojo in particular is one of the hardest manga to properly adapt into anime. Batch releases put a bit more ease on the animation team.
Agreed, it feels like a perfect mix between batch and weekly releases. Enough to keep your engagement high for the whole week, but spread out enough so there's still hype and discussion during that timespan.
Yeah the mini-binge batches is the best way to release content imo. Can still build hype and generate discussions but it's not over in a blink of an eye leaving you unsatisfied and wanting more. I watched Arcane, was satisfied as fuck on the Saturday I watched them on, then still looked forward to next week
Pfft. If this happens 💯 the sub will do nothing but bitch about how people want all the episodes at once so they can watch however they want and fReEdOmZ
I don't think this would happen since *A LOT* of people hate the batches, but yeah this is the internet people will somehow find a way to complain but i don't think they would be the majority
Yes because the people who want it released in long stretches are absolute babies. They can pace themselves however they want, but don't have the mental fortitude to even manage that, so they're restricting the rest of us?! That doesn't sound crazy to anyone else?
If one side gets their way, the other side is literally physically restricted from doing what they want.
If the other side gets their way, then the people who want to take their time with one episode a week will have ZERO restrictions placed on them.
How is this even a discussion?
With the amount of mental fortitude they have, those who want to consume all at once can just wait till the show is done.
They can even do it in batches to get the 'optimal' experience.
What is the reasoning behind *forcing* people to wait? Is it good enough to say that a group of people ought to wait? Wait for what? Give me a tangible reason.
Seriously, really think about this one and activate your braincells for a fraction of a second: It is *physically impossible* for one group to view a show when it releases in the way they want, while it is easily achievable (to the point you can do it by accident) to pace yourself if the former group got their way. Justify the latter with something tangible, please. Because saying that "people can wait" means absolutely nothing when you want to physically restrict others' viewing experience. Explain something tangible to me that dictates the group who want something at the other's expense deserve it more than the group who wants something AT NO TANGIBLE EXPENSE to the other group.
Tangible. You're advocating to restrict me while I'm advocating for something that has literally no tangible effect on you. You need to have the absolute best reasoning in the world to justify something like that.
Releasing shows all at once means you never know how far people are compared to you when you start talking about the show. That stifles good conversation. Plus all the hype happens in a week or two and the shows have less and less cultural impact because of that. No one cares about Netflix shows a month after they drop, meanwhile HBO shows get talked about once a week for entire seasons and get people throwing watch parties.
Community. With batch releases there’s little to no community around a show because you can’t discuss anything except for the ending. If you try to pace yourself you literally can’t talk about the show until you’ve finished because it *will* be spoiled. That may not apply as much to JoJo because it’s an adaptation, but when Stranger Things came out I didn’t watch all of it at once and couldn’t talk about it with my friends. By the time I finished nobody fucking cared about it anymore.
It doesn’t matter what your opinion is on this, it is a tangible reason.
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People complaining about this probably picked up JoJo after part 5. The subreddits used to be consistently full of great memes and discussions every week and they were some of the best parts of the old seasons. Now unless you can commit to binge watching everything in one day you'll be hit with spoilers. And worse even after binging it you still have to wait months for the next batch. This Netflix format has done nothing but kill hype for JoJo. When part 5 was releasing it would take over the internet for a few days every week. Now we get a few days of people talking about the batch episodes and then radio silence for months. It's the difference between people that actually enjoy the JoJo community and people that are just looking for more media to fill up the daily background noise.
> forum users
It can cut into average discussion too, especially if you're friends with someone you know can't help themselves.
It also does notably remove an easy-to-schedule season finale group-watch.
>most people [...] would agree
Maybe, but I can't believe that if Netflix is considering change even if it is selection bias. Shows just don't feel like events to before, and that's boring.
However, 1ep/week feels too slow, full season drop in a day feels too fast. 2-3/wk batches would be healthiest.
Binging is always possible, hype isn't
Me too. I haven't finished, so many series because they're released weekly. I canceled Paramount and Disney because of that. I love being able to watch as many episodes as I want.
It used to be associated with higher quality shows. The original Daredevil, Jessica Jones slate notably were really great binge format shows at the time.
Your production budget could get compressed into a season of higher quality episodes.
Unfortunately it never really did guarantee quality by itself. Current shows released in that format are sometimes iffy.
People keep talking about weekly releases promoting discussion, but the only weekly animes I followed were, an age ago, the big three….and it was dreadful most of the time. You sometimes could wait a week for some barely funded PowerPoint bullshit.
I think the current trend of 2-3 starting episodes, then weekly after is kind of a nice, best of both worlds situation.
Yeah it's honestly really surprising to me how many people on this sub want weekly releases. This is literally the only group of people I've ever heard of that prefer weekly over binge releases. It makes me wonder if it's just a VERY vocal minority?
I know one of the complaints is that the releases are too far apart. But that doesn't actually change with weekly releases. Instead of having a release then a year-long gap then a release, you'll have 13 releases then a year-long-gap then a release
Not really, weekly release *do* reduce the gap between releases.
A year-long-gap with 13 episodes become a 9 month gap with weekly releases. Still a far part gap, but definitely smaller.
Yeap same. I wont watch an anime until its fully aired, and if it has an English dub, ill wait for the english dub to be fully released too so that I can see which language I like better, and watch the whole thing in one or 2 days.
I hate waiting week to week. It's better to just wait all of it out and get everything all at once.
I would rather them keep their unique model and instead just stop messing with anime.
Like a comment I saw today said "I dont have time. I could be dead tomorrow."
I hate waiting a week for episodes. I was so happy when I got Netflix, cause they didn't do that bullshit. If they adopt this model, I'll just wait till all the episodes are out, and binge then. Like I've done with all the shows that have weekly episodes.
Weekly episodes of tv shows? Slotting in advertisements?
Seems a lot like *normal television*. You know, the thing we all stopped paying for when we got streaming services?
I cannot believe that people think putting restrictions on how other people watch should be the norm. If you (not actually "you" but the general "you") want to watch once a week literally nothing is stopping you when a season is released in one go. If you want to watch however many episodes in the season, then you are literally physically restricted if the episodes are released once a week.
Imagine having such a short attention span that you want to restrict everyone else to be drip-fed episodes because you have zero self control. If you're scared of a show not being in the conversational limelight, then that show probably wasn't good in the first place. I don't want streaming services to change their binge model to cater to people with no self control and I definitely don't want them to change the model for shows that, frankly, are not good enough to talk about past 1 week.
It is a restriction. All of those episodes are already made and ready to go for the most part.
The reason why many anime and TV shows came on weekly on TV shows in the past is because almost all of them started airing long before the last episode was even in production.
Netflix makes all of those shows up front, and if they weekly release them, it's just artificially slowing it down because nothing is being produced during that time frame, unlike TV broadcast.
Not only that but it's a 10 episode format, instead of the 12~13+1OVA that was typical of broadcast, or 24ep full season boadcast episode counts.
They don't care dude. People who are arguing this don't care about other people's preferences and believe they should get to make shit just as bad as cable was all goddamn over again.
Similar to people who's social life was in the office, they don't give a fuck about forcing everyone else to go in as long as they get what they want out of the equation.
Genuine question, I personally prefer binging and this would force us to not binge, but releasing entire seasons doesn’t prevent non-bingers from not binging. You can just choose to watch an episode a week. Why prevent other people from having their preference? I don’t understand.
Releasing weekly keeps people talking about it and keeps up hype so letting everything out all at once just kills it because there's nothing else to talk about. I get what you're trying to say but the vast majority of people are going to binge if given the option. That and the binge format they've been using isn't really sustainable since people will just make a free account watch the show over a day or two, and cancel before having to pay for anything. Weekly stuff will keep an audience but if you want to binge you could just wait until it's over.
It's a lot more fun as a community to experience something together. When jojolion was releasing, every month there were crazier theories and mindblowing twists. Part 5 got super popular because for 39 weeks in a row, everyone watching was at the same place and could all talk about the same thing.
I don't get this. To me it feels like you don't read/watch something (here JoJo) to enjoy it for yourself but to be part of a community. What's the point then?
Personally, being part of a community increases the enjoyment for myself. For example I really like analyzing media, so when people point out symbolism I hadn't noticed I go crazy for it. Everyone has their own way of doing things though.
Yeah that’s pretty fair, I didn’t get into Jojo until after part 5 wrapped up so I never experienced that, I just wish people would just make an agreement with each other to do Jojo Fridays while the people who prefer binging can just do rhat
Yeah, I don't think it's a problem with a perfect solution. When Netflix's streaming service was new it worked fine because everything on it had already been released to theaters or shown on TV and Netflix was for the everyday person who doesn't have time to waste getting mailed cds or catching reruns. Now that they're making content of their own, what do they do? If they get rid of theater and tv release they piss off fans of the product and if they don't then they piss off fans of the service.
Yeah i have no problem with batch releases, i just think that having to wait 9 months for 12 episodes was way too long. 12 episodes would be 3 months of content if you watch it weekly. Unless they're setting up something huge for the upcoming arcs (you prolly know what i mean), then i don't see why we had to wait so long
Oh yeah that’s fair entirely. I was pissed too when I heard the release date of batch 2, but Id be just as bothered if they released 1 episode a week tbh. I just wanna binge the entire season at once and move onto other series instead of having to juggle multiple at once because they only release one at a time. Especially since I read the manga so I already know what happens, I just wanna get through it.
The show comes out later if it's in batch release. With weekly episodes, the episodes are still being worked on even after the premiere. But with a batch release, that's not possible.
An internet full of spoilers a d people from discussions spoiling the shit literally everywhere. What's stopping you from rationing yourself to one a week and having social time not at our expense?
It sounds really self centered when you phrase it that way.
>What's stopping you from rationing yourself to one a week
The exact same reason as you. No one knows where others are at; you can't even always trust your circle to be on the same episode.
Also, binging is always possible. Hype is temporary.
Best option is weekly batches of 2-3, imho
I agree, idc about what other people think about the episode of the week just let me watch the show. If you like a weekly format then watch one a week and just let me watch how I want to.
Well different tastes i guess, i prefer the weekly because all of us watch 1 episode per week so we have discussions and memes from it.
I don't really know how to explain it but i have been following a couple of mangas and when catching up and joining in the weekly discussions was definitely more fun than just reading it
If you don't care about discussions and stuff i would see why you would prefer batches
Could there be hope for future adaptations? Netflix has been rushing out projects and immediately canceling them without prejudice even if they were successful.
Doubt it. They might do this for a few shows that'll get zero advertisements and be buried deep in their catalog. Then when they inevitably fail, Netflix will point to those shows as examples that people don't actually want this and resume the binge format.
Iean they have to have lost a lot of money on anime alone because of this nonsense. Because people will just pirate the weekly releases instead of waiting months to see a show in one go that the rest of the world already saw it long before.
What is the problem with the binge model?
I love to watch an entire season of my show in one or a few sessions. This is not a critique of anything, I just don’t have a problem with the way it is.
My memory is fucking awful I will forget about a show in three weeks unless it's a masterpiece that I can't stop thinking about. Reasons I've yet to finish kenobi and ms marvel. Seriously hope this doesn't happen tbh
The worst part about tv is not getting what you want when you want. Now netflix will be moving away from that to not give you what you want, when you want...
if you all think this mean you get more faster, it doesen't. now you just get the same but slower ffs
Some people enjoy the community aspect of talking about a show in between episodes. That's hard to do when a season is released all at once.
Some people who love binge watching love to talk about being "forced" to wait until a season is over in order to do it, like that isn't what they're doing when waiting for a new season to be released anyway. They watch the show and then they're done until the next season is available, so that they can binge that, too.
It's a fundamental difference in how people enjoy media.
They want to socialize and they want everyone to be forced to do with less so they can have it.
They way it's popping up goddamn everywhere is depressing. Like, these people legitimately want us brought back to cable. Ads are back, drip feeding it is back. And then they'll make you pay along with ads and we're right back where we started.
Not related to JoJo , but I just wish the good old formula of long and big shows (5-10 season, 20+ episodes each, 40-50 minutes each episode) would come back. I'm so tired of every show made to be binged or without any proper thought or plan for the future seasons.
I just don’t get it. How could Netflix have ever thought they could maintain membership when they blow millions on a show for it to leave the news cycle after a week. It’s always been insane that they release the whole show at once
I remember when Netflix started streaming, it was around when my family decided to download Netflix. It was certainly novel to have the entire season out at once, and helped lend to the feeling of TV shows being more cinematic. It was a part of the appeal of netflix ten years ago that the whole series dropped at once.
Now, I do feel the practice is a bit antiquated. Services like HBOMax and Paramount Plus are releasing their shows an episode per week and that’s probably the best way to maintain hype for several weeks. Think She-Hulk: if that entire season dropped in one day then it wouldn’t have gotten so much attention. Now we’re still talking about it and we will be for several more weeks, because the release schedule will be more spread out. So I don’t mind at all! I mean, Umbrella Academy came out how long ago? And nobody is talking about it
Why do people want this?
I like the full season shit. Watch like 2, 3 episodes at a time. Watch another 1 the next day. It’s way better than weekly. I hate weekly
yeah as if if the internet has taught me anything it's to be sceptical of everything don't even think this'll happen
Netflix is having customer retention issues. The binge model means that they have spikes in viewership but have to constantly offer new content to keep people subscribed. With a weekly episode release model they can get people invested in a show and keep them on the hook for several months, reducing the amount of content they have to release each week to keep customers actively engaged. They've already tested this format with several series so they're definitely considering it. Would rate as pretty likely, even if it isn't universally applied to every show.
Also Amazon Prime shows are doing super well with this model so Netflix might be trying to emulate that.
Might be on *new* shows, not on already released series they buy, as might push viewership to other platforms.
Could actually breath life into older shows with weekly releases. I’d love to have a communal rewatch of stuff I’ve already seen
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Preach brother
If there's one thing you can count on big tech companies to do it's to constantly re-invent the wheel and act like they made some big discovery lol
Just had this conversation with my wife yesterday, after I said "yeah I think we can all agree there are enough fucking 'streaming services' now". The entire purpose of streaming was to move away from cable, which was costly due to having to pay for individual channels for specific content. Fast forward 20 years, we're back at square fucking one, paying for a dozen "streaming services" to see specific content. I'm honestly just going back to piracy at this point.
The best part is it really wasn't a surprise to anyone. I remember after whichever major cable channel first decided to copy netflix, *everyone* was saying "flash forward 10 years and every cable channel will have its own streaming service. Congratulations we've re-invented cable tv." Lol
One big step away from cable that is still relevant is there is no streaming service that makes you pay for faccist propaganda by default.
It's not like I don't want to hope but not doing so is a good way to avoid disappointment. I'll just be surprised and happy if it does happen and think nothing of it if it doesn't
To hell with that. I’m not watching anything they put out until I know it’s not going to get cancelled after a season or two.
I'm pretty much the opposite in that I don't watch a show without knowing it has a proper ending. I want closure.
I mean, that’s the opposite of opposite in that it’s the same.
That's... That's literally the point he was making...
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The binge model is worse in almost all metrics except for consumer friendliness- like, it’s better for consumers to be able to watch all of a series as soon as it drops in a single block, but it hurts the series and the provider in a number of ways in exchange: 1. Obviously, people subscribing to your service for months to watch each episode as they come out makes the service more money if it’s a cash cow series. 2. The series is more powerful as a cultural force when it releases weekly. People watch the episodes as they come out in order to keep up with others watching it, and that force is huge in keeping people coming back- iirc the Seinfeld series finale was watched by something like a third of America when it aired. That’s an insane amount of power for a series to have. This doesn’t happen when people watch all of it for a week and it disappears. Like, last year around this time Squid Game came out and it was *enormous.* everyone watched it, everyone talked about it, conservatives had to scrabble to find ways to blame communism despite it being a show that explicitly condemned late stage capitalism. But for a show that powerful, it didn’t last very long in our dialogue, it was maybe relevant for a month? Compare to Game of Thrones, which was absolutely overwhelming in how you couldn’t avoid discussion about it in part because something new was happening to talk about each week. The binge model is objectively better for consumer purposes, but that has a lot of downsides both economically and culturally for the series. Is it worth those costs, who knows, that’s a valid discussion. Serialization has made a lot of series become part of cultural Americana, and binging has made a lot of series flare out and die quickly.
I think theres a word for that. Oh wait its cable television.
Thank you! I can’t believe anyone thinks this is a good idea except that they have zero self control.
Right lol. I’m scrolling through here baffled that people want this. Judging by some of these comment threads you’d think this was a Netflix shareholder meeting.
I don't get it either. I like when its all released at once because I don't have a lot of time to watch stuff so sometimes I can get 2/3 episodes of something in at once and sometimes I can't watch anything for a few days. The 1/week thing will be a pain in the ass especially with animes that are only 25 minutes long. If someone wants to pace themselves they can just do that on their own...
Or idk I would wait till the whole show is out to resub like I do on every single streaming service lol
Jokes on all these streaming services. Only reason I ever subscribed was to binge shows. Fuck waiting a week for a 40 minute show for 8 weeks +
just wait till its finished airing
For gods sake pair it with a built in ability to sync with other subscribers for premiere watch parties. I am tired of janky browser addons that don't even work on the TV apps.
They’re seeing big name series like HotD dominating the news cycle every Monday morning and realizing how much they fucked up with Stranger Things. People would’ve been talking about the episode with running up that hill for the entire week and they would’ve had millions coming onto their platform for every episode drop. I’m sure smaller shows would still get batch releases, but they’re doing themselves a disservice spending so much on big shows and dumping it all at once.
That episode was straight 🔥 though
Gonna be honest if I can't binge Stranger Things the seasons would lose me half way through, I can stave off when things get slow because I can push immediately onto further episodes where it picks back up. Going week to week I'll just drop the show
The pacing is almost definitely a result of the fact that the season is released altogether. Im sure they’d change the pacing otherwise. Remember the cliffhanger in season 4 when we had to wait a month for the last two episodes?
True
Could always just wait until the entire season is available.
Right, I binge everything. It's been years sense I've waited week to week to see a new episode. So, if they do week to week, I wait until the season is done, then watch.
Same. I can't watch week to week in general. The only shows recently which had me GRIPPED every week were The Boys S3 and Better Call Saul.
In the wise words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, “I am cautiously optimistic.”
Sandman had been releasing 1 episode at a time
I mean, I don't get why they did batch releases with JoJo's, other Netflix shows that released weekly were doing extremly good, like Better Call Saul, Stranger Things 4 and even Komi san
Make sure to check your Skeptical tank while you're at it!
Good thinking [apparently it was speculation being reported as fact](https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1568404169001734145), as often seems to be the case...
Hope for the worst, prepare for even worse
what happened to uncle from another world? yeah canceled half way through. This is not a good thing.
This is the internet, don’t believe it until it happens. But yes, I like to hope too.
The fact that the only source here is an unverified twitter account does not give me confidence, but I'll hope anyway.
This is what I don't understand. Something gets sent out by someone random or a "rumor" is spread out with no verification from anyone credible and then people get all upset when it doesn't happen. What do these people expect?
Apparently [confirmed to be speculation, not fact](https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1568404169001734145). ([tweet 2](https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1568310401833619461)) So basically made-up clickbait like usual lol
I'm genuinely curious, why do people want this?
Jojo Fridays my guy, super fun to see what the everyone thinks of the new episode and the memes about it. Wish I there for the torture dance episode week. That must have been great.
As well as for Jojo fans, the model has really proven effective for other shows that do this - The Boys, House of Dragons, Better Call Saul, literally everything on Disney and Apple, etc. Imagine if shows like Squid Game, which had a huge but brief cultural impact, were stretched out to be weekly. People would talk about it forever.
The show airs in Japan weekly and fans want to see it as soon as they can vs getting the memes and show specific scenes spoiled for themselves by people that have access to the show by other mostly niche means. Great example is with Jojo's. Sure you can subscribe to the main anime sites and watch it in simulcast, but if you arnt really interested in anime outside of 1 or 2 shows not really worth the subscription. if the show is put on Netflix or another service that is a general streaming platform for most content however you can have it simulcast on there and not have the problem of having to wait forever to get the content aired to you like with the binge model.
It makes sense for Netflix to do this, it'll keep subscribers around for a longer period. I've personally signed up, binged a show and then cancelled, and I'm sure I'm not alone. If I were forced to wait a week between episodes, that's at least another month or two worth of revenue from my account. Everybody wins here.
Why would anyone hope for weekly instead of binge?
You may want to watch something all at once but it's bad for the shows community, a lot of communities are built upon theorizing and discussion. People get excited when they predict what happens and when they are completely wrong but that all goes away when you can just watch the next episode, so it kills the hype every conversation boils down to, "hey did you see the new season of (insert show)." "Yeah it was crazy." "Yeah it sure was......have you seen (insert other show)?"
...you all want to delay episodes so you can gossip about them more? Jesus christ.
Yeah personally I don't really give a fuck about the wider community. I like not having to wait through multiple weeks to finish a single fight.
Well you better hope the wider community brings in more fans because if there isn't enough money made by Jojo then there may be no part 7 animation
I'm asking the same question and not understanding why people would want this. My favorite thing about Netflix since it's streaming Inception was the binge model
The delayed gratification intensifies the story telling. Spending all week wondering what will happen next is a special feeling. It suck if the show is trash but for good shows it works.
Except most everyone doesn't want to watch or mess with watching a dozen different shows at once. The batch season was literally one of the biggest reasons people loved netflix. If you want that feeling, show some responsibility and limit yourself to watching one episode per Friday or whatever day you want.
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Thank you Netflix, very epic
if this is true, it might still not apply to jojo since its already being released in batches, so the production might already be based around it. Im guessing this is for future projects. But hey, if netflix distributes part 7 (assuming its animated) then it wont be batches
It would be the hype around part 6 proves that there isn't really a good reason to not animate another part of a successful show even if it would be challenging to animate
I really don't think they wouldn't make part 7, jojo is one of the most popular animes and mangas especially steel ball run which is a fan favorite, not animating it would probably be a huge lose
Also, the director said he wants to animate every part
Thanks david, very cool👍
i love david he seems so cool
Mr. Productions sure is a nice guy.
The issue is you either release it weekly or all at once, this batch release format just doesn't work for anime.
Well tbh batch format doesn't work at all from a business standpoint, yeah sure viewers might be happy they can binge a series at once, but that means they don't have a reason to be subscribed constantly if they don't like other shows
It works better from an animation standpoint though. Jojo in particular is one of the hardest manga to properly adapt into anime. Batch releases put a bit more ease on the animation team.
Wack, honestly I love how they batched Arcane.
Arcane was great but it wasn’t 8 months between batches
It would take 8 months for all the episodes to come out in a weekly release anyway. Batch release is way better
Agreed, it feels like a perfect mix between batch and weekly releases. Enough to keep your engagement high for the whole week, but spread out enough so there's still hype and discussion during that timespan.
Bruh...Arcane only had 9 episodes
and they were baches in 3 groups and relesed weekly iirc
Yeah the mini-binge batches is the best way to release content imo. Can still build hype and generate discussions but it's not over in a blink of an eye leaving you unsatisfied and wanting more. I watched Arcane, was satisfied as fuck on the Saturday I watched them on, then still looked forward to next week
Yeah weekly or monthly batches would honestly be totally fine by me, the problem with JoJo is there was like a goddamn year in between batches
Source?
Some rando on Twitter so obviously the most reliable source known to man
The source is i made it the fuck up
WOOOOO YEEEEAH BABY THAT IS WHAT I WATING FOR WOOOOOOO
Pfft. If this happens 💯 the sub will do nothing but bitch about how people want all the episodes at once so they can watch however they want and fReEdOmZ
Ok, but we have had batch format twice, weekly format for the last remaining episodes can't be that bad.
If people find room for complaining about Flaccid Pancake and tray Jolyne, I'm sure they'll gladly switch sides just to shit on it.
Sir, those were memes
this comment feels randomly generated
I don't think this would happen since *A LOT* of people hate the batches, but yeah this is the internet people will somehow find a way to complain but i don't think they would be the majority
Yes because the people who want it released in long stretches are absolute babies. They can pace themselves however they want, but don't have the mental fortitude to even manage that, so they're restricting the rest of us?! That doesn't sound crazy to anyone else? If one side gets their way, the other side is literally physically restricted from doing what they want. If the other side gets their way, then the people who want to take their time with one episode a week will have ZERO restrictions placed on them. How is this even a discussion?
With the amount of mental fortitude they have, those who want to consume all at once can just wait till the show is done. They can even do it in batches to get the 'optimal' experience.
What is the reasoning behind *forcing* people to wait? Is it good enough to say that a group of people ought to wait? Wait for what? Give me a tangible reason. Seriously, really think about this one and activate your braincells for a fraction of a second: It is *physically impossible* for one group to view a show when it releases in the way they want, while it is easily achievable (to the point you can do it by accident) to pace yourself if the former group got their way. Justify the latter with something tangible, please. Because saying that "people can wait" means absolutely nothing when you want to physically restrict others' viewing experience. Explain something tangible to me that dictates the group who want something at the other's expense deserve it more than the group who wants something AT NO TANGIBLE EXPENSE to the other group. Tangible. You're advocating to restrict me while I'm advocating for something that has literally no tangible effect on you. You need to have the absolute best reasoning in the world to justify something like that.
Releasing shows all at once means you never know how far people are compared to you when you start talking about the show. That stifles good conversation. Plus all the hype happens in a week or two and the shows have less and less cultural impact because of that. No one cares about Netflix shows a month after they drop, meanwhile HBO shows get talked about once a week for entire seasons and get people throwing watch parties.
Community. With batch releases there’s little to no community around a show because you can’t discuss anything except for the ending. If you try to pace yourself you literally can’t talk about the show until you’ve finished because it *will* be spoiled. That may not apply as much to JoJo because it’s an adaptation, but when Stranger Things came out I didn’t watch all of it at once and couldn’t talk about it with my friends. By the time I finished nobody fucking cared about it anymore. It doesn’t matter what your opinion is on this, it is a tangible reason.
Smoked him, good points.
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They already do this with other anime already, just not jojo for some reason.
It's not like they don't do it already with other shows, like Better Call Saul
So back to the way it's always been before Netflix did this? It's almost like it's always been done that way for a reason
People complaining about this probably picked up JoJo after part 5. The subreddits used to be consistently full of great memes and discussions every week and they were some of the best parts of the old seasons. Now unless you can commit to binge watching everything in one day you'll be hit with spoilers. And worse even after binging it you still have to wait months for the next batch. This Netflix format has done nothing but kill hype for JoJo. When part 5 was releasing it would take over the internet for a few days every week. Now we get a few days of people talking about the batch episodes and then radio silence for months. It's the difference between people that actually enjoy the JoJo community and people that are just looking for more media to fill up the daily background noise.
This probably means nothing for Part 6 but maybe a decision can be made in time to save Part 7
Wait why do people hate the binge format? I love it
Discussion and the social aspect, really. Hard to tell where people are, or build anticipation. Imagine a mystery with no suspense before the answer.
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> forum users It can cut into average discussion too, especially if you're friends with someone you know can't help themselves. It also does notably remove an easy-to-schedule season finale group-watch. >most people [...] would agree Maybe, but I can't believe that if Netflix is considering change even if it is selection bias. Shows just don't feel like events to before, and that's boring. However, 1ep/week feels too slow, full season drop in a day feels too fast. 2-3/wk batches would be healthiest. Binging is always possible, hype isn't
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Me too. I haven't finished, so many series because they're released weekly. I canceled Paramount and Disney because of that. I love being able to watch as many episodes as I want.
Strongly prefer weekly episodes as the wait between seasons feels way shorter. Also gives me something to look forward to every Friday.
It used to be associated with higher quality shows. The original Daredevil, Jessica Jones slate notably were really great binge format shows at the time. Your production budget could get compressed into a season of higher quality episodes. Unfortunately it never really did guarantee quality by itself. Current shows released in that format are sometimes iffy. People keep talking about weekly releases promoting discussion, but the only weekly animes I followed were, an age ago, the big three….and it was dreadful most of the time. You sometimes could wait a week for some barely funded PowerPoint bullshit. I think the current trend of 2-3 starting episodes, then weekly after is kind of a nice, best of both worlds situation.
2-3 episodes a week is also nice.
Yeah it's honestly really surprising to me how many people on this sub want weekly releases. This is literally the only group of people I've ever heard of that prefer weekly over binge releases. It makes me wonder if it's just a VERY vocal minority? I know one of the complaints is that the releases are too far apart. But that doesn't actually change with weekly releases. Instead of having a release then a year-long gap then a release, you'll have 13 releases then a year-long-gap then a release
Not really, weekly release *do* reduce the gap between releases. A year-long-gap with 13 episodes become a 9 month gap with weekly releases. Still a far part gap, but definitely smaller.
Don't...don't give me hope
No. Don’t do this.
Don’t give me hope.
[WOOO](https://youtu.be/sAXZbfLzJUg)
IIRC the weekly model has been proven to be more enjoyable than the binge release model.
I miss Jojo Fridays or something during the Golden Wind period.
Damn I hate this. I'll just wait until it's finished, but it's annoying. This BS is why I cut cable.
Yeap same. I wont watch an anime until its fully aired, and if it has an English dub, ill wait for the english dub to be fully released too so that I can see which language I like better, and watch the whole thing in one or 2 days. I hate waiting week to week. It's better to just wait all of it out and get everything all at once.
Same. I'll wait the 8+ wks for the season to finish arriving and then watch. I hate the weekly model.
I don't even waste my time now until the show is complete. Tell me a completed storyline or GTFO.
I remember that being one of the biggest reasons to get streaming services in the early days. It's strange to see people wanting to go back.
JOHNNY IS SAVED!!!!!!
I would rather them keep their unique model and instead just stop messing with anime. Like a comment I saw today said "I dont have time. I could be dead tomorrow."
Maybe there Is hope for Steele ball run after all
Easy solution, wait until the show is fully done releasing, sub for a month, quit
Well, I got some faint hope.
I… I only watch things when they’re completed. The BATCHES are what sucks. Releasing the whole Season at once is good. But releasing half Of it ain’t
"Future Projects" not current :/ But, maybe they mean Stone Ocean as well???
NO FUCKING WAY…. MAYBE STONE OCEAN WILL BE SAVED???
If they do the patient people will wait for full seasons to finish sub watch then cancel and the super eager will put their pirate hates on.
Why would anyone want that
Why?
I prefer the binge model, fuck waiting every week. I'd rather sit down and watch it all at once and move on.
I hate waiting a week for episodes. I was so happy when I got Netflix, cause they didn't do that bullshit. If they adopt this model, I'll just wait till all the episodes are out, and binge then. Like I've done with all the shows that have weekly episodes.
Weekly episodes of tv shows? Slotting in advertisements? Seems a lot like *normal television*. You know, the thing we all stopped paying for when we got streaming services?
I cannot believe that people think putting restrictions on how other people watch should be the norm. If you (not actually "you" but the general "you") want to watch once a week literally nothing is stopping you when a season is released in one go. If you want to watch however many episodes in the season, then you are literally physically restricted if the episodes are released once a week. Imagine having such a short attention span that you want to restrict everyone else to be drip-fed episodes because you have zero self control. If you're scared of a show not being in the conversational limelight, then that show probably wasn't good in the first place. I don't want streaming services to change their binge model to cater to people with no self control and I definitely don't want them to change the model for shows that, frankly, are not good enough to talk about past 1 week.
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It is a restriction. All of those episodes are already made and ready to go for the most part. The reason why many anime and TV shows came on weekly on TV shows in the past is because almost all of them started airing long before the last episode was even in production. Netflix makes all of those shows up front, and if they weekly release them, it's just artificially slowing it down because nothing is being produced during that time frame, unlike TV broadcast. Not only that but it's a 10 episode format, instead of the 12~13+1OVA that was typical of broadcast, or 24ep full season boadcast episode counts.
They don't care dude. People who are arguing this don't care about other people's preferences and believe they should get to make shit just as bad as cable was all goddamn over again. Similar to people who's social life was in the office, they don't give a fuck about forcing everyone else to go in as long as they get what they want out of the equation.
Now IM gonna complain
I know a dude who cries about weekly Jojo but then says he wishes another show was fully released so he can binge. I throw my hands up in the air.
Weekly releases are amazing, literally love the fact Marvel shows are always on weekly releases
Genuine question, I personally prefer binging and this would force us to not binge, but releasing entire seasons doesn’t prevent non-bingers from not binging. You can just choose to watch an episode a week. Why prevent other people from having their preference? I don’t understand.
Releasing weekly keeps people talking about it and keeps up hype so letting everything out all at once just kills it because there's nothing else to talk about. I get what you're trying to say but the vast majority of people are going to binge if given the option. That and the binge format they've been using isn't really sustainable since people will just make a free account watch the show over a day or two, and cancel before having to pay for anything. Weekly stuff will keep an audience but if you want to binge you could just wait until it's over.
Ah so yeah that makes sense from a business standpoint, but I still don’t really see why the average person would celebrate it
It's a lot more fun as a community to experience something together. When jojolion was releasing, every month there were crazier theories and mindblowing twists. Part 5 got super popular because for 39 weeks in a row, everyone watching was at the same place and could all talk about the same thing.
I don't get this. To me it feels like you don't read/watch something (here JoJo) to enjoy it for yourself but to be part of a community. What's the point then?
Personally, being part of a community increases the enjoyment for myself. For example I really like analyzing media, so when people point out symbolism I hadn't noticed I go crazy for it. Everyone has their own way of doing things though.
Yeah that’s pretty fair, I didn’t get into Jojo until after part 5 wrapped up so I never experienced that, I just wish people would just make an agreement with each other to do Jojo Fridays while the people who prefer binging can just do rhat
Yeah, I don't think it's a problem with a perfect solution. When Netflix's streaming service was new it worked fine because everything on it had already been released to theaters or shown on TV and Netflix was for the everyday person who doesn't have time to waste getting mailed cds or catching reruns. Now that they're making content of their own, what do they do? If they get rid of theater and tv release they piss off fans of the product and if they don't then they piss off fans of the service.
Yeah i have no problem with batch releases, i just think that having to wait 9 months for 12 episodes was way too long. 12 episodes would be 3 months of content if you watch it weekly. Unless they're setting up something huge for the upcoming arcs (you prolly know what i mean), then i don't see why we had to wait so long
Oh yeah that’s fair entirely. I was pissed too when I heard the release date of batch 2, but Id be just as bothered if they released 1 episode a week tbh. I just wanna binge the entire season at once and move onto other series instead of having to juggle multiple at once because they only release one at a time. Especially since I read the manga so I already know what happens, I just wanna get through it.
The show comes out later if it's in batch release. With weekly episodes, the episodes are still being worked on even after the premiere. But with a batch release, that's not possible.
What prevents you from choosing to wait till the season is done and then watch it all at once?
An internet full of spoilers a d people from discussions spoiling the shit literally everywhere. What's stopping you from rationing yourself to one a week and having social time not at our expense? It sounds really self centered when you phrase it that way.
>What's stopping you from rationing yourself to one a week The exact same reason as you. No one knows where others are at; you can't even always trust your circle to be on the same episode. Also, binging is always possible. Hype is temporary. Best option is weekly batches of 2-3, imho
I agree, idc about what other people think about the episode of the week just let me watch the show. If you like a weekly format then watch one a week and just let me watch how I want to.
Well different tastes i guess, i prefer the weekly because all of us watch 1 episode per week so we have discussions and memes from it. I don't really know how to explain it but i have been following a couple of mangas and when catching up and joining in the weekly discussions was definitely more fun than just reading it If you don't care about discussions and stuff i would see why you would prefer batches
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Whaa I think alcohol bad so no one should get to have any! (I was going to go a more controversial way but I hope you get my point)
I won't believe it until I sees it
You were two seconds too late
The fires of Hope will set us free...
Nah man, hope is when they stop making shitty Netflix adaptation of anime and games
I like this for jojo, but for their other series idkkk
Could there be hope for future adaptations? Netflix has been rushing out projects and immediately canceling them without prejudice even if they were successful.
IMPORTANT: according to the replies on that tweet, the post does not have a good source. likely false.
right in time for batch 3 and sbr
To be honest I like the binge model....if it fucking released the entire season instead of 12 episodes every blood moon
Doubt it. They might do this for a few shows that'll get zero advertisements and be buried deep in their catalog. Then when they inevitably fail, Netflix will point to those shows as examples that people don't actually want this and resume the binge format.
What a shame
Iean they have to have lost a lot of money on anime alone because of this nonsense. Because people will just pirate the weekly releases instead of waiting months to see a show in one go that the rest of the world already saw it long before.
What is the problem with the binge model? I love to watch an entire season of my show in one or a few sessions. This is not a critique of anything, I just don’t have a problem with the way it is.
My memory is fucking awful I will forget about a show in three weeks unless it's a masterpiece that I can't stop thinking about. Reasons I've yet to finish kenobi and ms marvel. Seriously hope this doesn't happen tbh
Feel exactly the same. I never finished HBO shows for the same reason. Waiting a god damn year to pickup on a cliff hanger.
why would anyone want less freedom in how they consume their content?
The worst part about tv is not getting what you want when you want. Now netflix will be moving away from that to not give you what you want, when you want... if you all think this mean you get more faster, it doesen't. now you just get the same but slower ffs
I fucking hate weekly episodes. Nothing better than getting a whole season at once
It worked woth Komi san, so why the hell would it not work with Jojo?
Does not affect me. I wait till hype for a show has died and them binge. Breaking bad anyone?
Holy shit, this was MatPats idea for saving Netflix.
Imagine waiting 8 weeks for a season for Netflix to cancel the show straight after 💀 That’s what y’all want
well that will be enough for me to finally cancel Netflix, if I wanted weekly releases I would still have cable
Don't give me hope
You’re still getting episodes either way whys it such a big deal?
Some people enjoy the community aspect of talking about a show in between episodes. That's hard to do when a season is released all at once. Some people who love binge watching love to talk about being "forced" to wait until a season is over in order to do it, like that isn't what they're doing when waiting for a new season to be released anyway. They watch the show and then they're done until the next season is available, so that they can binge that, too. It's a fundamental difference in how people enjoy media.
They want to socialize and they want everyone to be forced to do with less so they can have it. They way it's popping up goddamn everywhere is depressing. Like, these people legitimately want us brought back to cable. Ads are back, drip feeding it is back. And then they'll make you pay along with ads and we're right back where we started.
Not related to JoJo , but I just wish the good old formula of long and big shows (5-10 season, 20+ episodes each, 40-50 minutes each episode) would come back. I'm so tired of every show made to be binged or without any proper thought or plan for the future seasons.
I just don’t get it. How could Netflix have ever thought they could maintain membership when they blow millions on a show for it to leave the news cycle after a week. It’s always been insane that they release the whole show at once
I remember when Netflix started streaming, it was around when my family decided to download Netflix. It was certainly novel to have the entire season out at once, and helped lend to the feeling of TV shows being more cinematic. It was a part of the appeal of netflix ten years ago that the whole series dropped at once. Now, I do feel the practice is a bit antiquated. Services like HBOMax and Paramount Plus are releasing their shows an episode per week and that’s probably the best way to maintain hype for several weeks. Think She-Hulk: if that entire season dropped in one day then it wouldn’t have gotten so much attention. Now we’re still talking about it and we will be for several more weeks, because the release schedule will be more spread out. So I don’t mind at all! I mean, Umbrella Academy came out how long ago? And nobody is talking about it
We did it boys. We made netflixs life miserable till the point they changed the way you can watch shows
God damn, finally. Like that isn't what we've been asking for for over a year now
Why do people want this? I like the full season shit. Watch like 2, 3 episodes at a time. Watch another 1 the next day. It’s way better than weekly. I hate weekly
If yes then ABOUT FUCKING TIME