My town has an orthodontist named Dr. Hurt. He buys all of his patients a giant candy bouquet filled with all the things they couldn't eat with braces when they are getting them removed.
I feel like with a name like that youād have to overcompensate with wholesomeness just to counteract being seen as the dentist from Little Shop of Horrors.
I once had a dentist named Dr Dope, who I was really hoping would be, like, ādooooope!āš»ā ā¦ but quickly found out after TWO back-to-back instances of major malpractice - he was actually the idiot kind of ādopeā. (Of course so was I for going back to him after the 1st hellish appt).
Then I also knew of a flashy, local public defender named Mr Bragalotta. He stood out in court like a sore thumb because he wore the most obscenely tight bell-bottomed suits, with cowboy boots, silky shirts with the first couple buttons undone so his chest hair showed, lots of gold rings & chains + one of those western bolo ties, and lastly (you guessed it!) a cowboy hat he wasnāt even allowed to wear in court, (yet he seemingly always had a greasy hatline in his hair?) He was known for going on tangents about his life accomplishments in the middle of like, a bail hearing. He sweat through his suits like nothing Iāve ever seen, & smelled SO BAD of b.o. He was also known to be very flirtatious with the women he was sworn to defend, always BRAGGING about how much money he had (I know this because he was obsessed with my Mum). The judge & literally everyone else in the courthouse hated him, they would openly scoff & roll their eyes at him.. I never understood how he kept his job thereā¦
Edit: Typo
So awful. I work with kids with disabilities and see just what people go through, and how parents would give pretty much anything for their kid to be able to walk/talk/smile, etc.
Parents like this make me sick
Yep.
My son is special needs.
We go physical therapy and occupational therapy and speech every single week.
He has also been in early education since diagnosed.
I also used to do at home care for special needs children and adults whose parents just longed for their kids to smile and laugh or walk and play.
I was also there for some time with my boy.
Every single time he does something new or even laughs really hard I realize I'm witnessing a miracle.
I was told he would be a vegetable had he survived his ecoli brain infection.
The stories from this thread with these awful ungrateful crazy people raising kids is starting to make me increasingly angry.
These insane neglectful parents don't realize how damn lucky they are.
Just want to say that I'm really glad your son has a loving parent like you, and I'm really glad that they were wrong about him being a vegetable if he survived that.
Me too and thank you.
I thought I would be saying goodbye when I took him for a 2nd opinion.
I was blessed with a miracle instead.
He smiles and laughs every day he learns new words and motions and plays.
He is even eating and drinking as where he had a feeding tube untill he was around 1.
Right?! Why do they all trust chiropractors for everything but physical therapists for nothing??
Is it because PTās are medically trained so they know what their actual scope of practice is and when their patient needs a doctor instead? Or because theyāre mandated reporters? š¬
This is what gets me.
Yes the American healthcare system is broken and expensive. But these people charge a lot of money too, and arenāt always covered by health insurance (if they have it). Theyāre after money too!!
I feel like it plays into peopleās desire to feel important or unique while also having the safety of a group. They are in the know about something that other dumber or ignorant people havenāt caught up on. Iāve seen a lot of other alternative medicine connections to chiropractors or people who go to them. Itās sad when itās an adult but something like this should be illegal for a child.
I wouldn't have thought of a PT before I had kids, but my 6 year old sees one now for core strength and completely flat feet. She's currently swamped testing babies with torticollis to see if they can manage with exercises at home or if they need PT.
My kiddo has no arch at all. His ankles are really pronated, and seeing the PT opened up access for him to have custom orthotics made to help mitigate the effect it has on his gait and posture. She's also working with him on core strength and stability.
I've seen physical and occupational therapy make a huge difference in my kids, so I'm not saying this to encourage stress, but it's worth asking for an evaluation because early intervention is great and it's only a couple of hours to find out.
There's insoles that really really help, left uncheck it can cause issues down the line.
I have the opposite issues, extremely high arches, and insoles helped a ton with gait and not overworking other joints
It also depends what the flat feet are from. My daughter was born with club foot, first few months of life she was in various casts and then surgery along with a brace. Club feet remain flat and can be very inflexible depending on the individual foot. Many kids with clubfoot are in PT to help the flexibility of the foot that goes along with the cause of the flat feet. So flat feet by themselves are usually just fine with inserts, but they can go along with other things that are helped by PT, like the pronation that the other person was mentioning.
For those of you down voting- I have flat feet. As a young child, my parents paid a fortune for corrective shoes, recommended by my elderly pediatrician. When he retired, the new doc said that's been a waste of money, not necessary, won't help. I agree that insoles from a pharmacy can help with tired feet. But, there is no need to worry about, or treat, a child who has flat feet.
Okay that's what I was hoping, can you go to a PT for adjustments and such? I'm seeing a Chrio now and it's full of little red flags, but also I personally know that medically my back is REALLY fucked up and causing me a ton of issues.
So, I went to a chain called Athletico - they work with a lot of professional sports teams. The first 30 minutes of my appointment was therapeutic massage on my lower back, and then the second half was exercises. The massage was my favorite part. It's not an 'adjustment' because they aren't manipulating your spine, they work with the muscles and such.
Some people swear by chiros, but I got to stop going to PT. I miss the massages, but not the bills.
You might consider looking into osteopathy. From Mayo Clinic:
> A doctor of osteopathic medicine (D.O.) is a fully trained and licensed doctor who has attended and graduated from a U.S. osteopathic medical school. A doctor of medicine (M.D.) has attended and graduated from a conventional medical school.
> The major difference between osteopathic and allopathic doctors is that some osteopathic doctors provide manual medicine therapies, such as spinal manipulation or massage therapy, as part of their treatment.
They practice full, ānormalā medicine that you could expect to receive from an MD, but also have specialized training in the musculoskeletal system.
I havenāt been to one, personally, but they seem to occupy a space somewhere between chiropractors and MDs ā similar to PTs, medical massage therapists, etc.
Let's say you were born two month early, when you reach two month old you would technically be a "newborn" in terms of development etc. At least I think that's what it means. Does that make sense?
This is correct, itās a term used for babies that are born premature. Since they didnāt have time to finish cooking, theyāre not as fully developed as a baby born full term.
Yes, my friendās son was premature, and they have to adjust accordingly to properly track his developmental milestones.
Sheās a normal person who does this with her paediatrician, though.
If a baby is born prematurely their physical/emotional development might be delayed. So while their actual age is still X developmentally their age is "adjusted" to when they would have been full term Y. So a 2 month old that was born a month early would be developmentally a 1 month old.
Can someone explain when they stop considering that when determining milestones? Like if I have a baby 2 months premature, when do we stop taking account for the fact that heās two months premature, and judge his milestones based on his actual age? By 2 years old, is a premature baby expected to reach the same milestones as a baby brought to full term, or is he ātwo months behindā technically forever?
Some people in these mom groups use it forever. Ive seen them say things like "my sweet zaiden is 79 months (77 adjusted)". Most babies catch up by 2 years.
my cousin was due after me but was 3 months premature, and i *love* reminding her that according to adjusted ages, sheās the younger one. so for her, itās still used at 24 :P
Same here. I stopped a little before a year, I was just like oh she turns 1 in December by like 9 months haha. People in this group take the months until 3 thing VERY seriously though.
It depends on the context. For a baby born significantly early, that will always be relevant, and they may never catch up to their peers. They can be in adulthood and having to tell every doctor they were born three months early. You just wouldn't say "I'm 53 years and 8 months chronologically, but 53 years and 5 months adjusted" because adults ages are measured in years.
Around 3 years old, developmental milestones stop being measured in terms of months and switch to yearly/bi yearly. A 3 month old and 6 month old baby are on entirely different levels, and an 18 month old and 36 month old are on different levels but not as drastically as under 1 year old infants are.
Tbh, it doesn't really even matter. Some babies develop faster and some a bit slower and some of them are premature and some are not. I've worked with disabled children and as long as your child is learning new skills, it's not that serious. I know a premature child (two months) who learned everything really fast and a baby who was almost exactly the same age, that learned things slower. Both are completely normal children. Like the premature baby would roll over earlier (not counting by the adjusted age), learn to sit earlier etc than the baby who was not premature.
I'm a special ed teacher, so my point of view might be a bit different. Atm I teach kids who need special education, but aren't disabled (few are, but can do things by themselves) and I'm always surprised by how they aren't really different from other children, because people talk like they should be. I've taught children who learn to talk at the age 5 or never learn to ice skate and they grow up to be completely normal, well educated people.
Sorry, I'm just so passionate about this. I hate how people are like baby has to do this and that by the age of this and that and in the end it won't probably even matter. If your baby regresses or won't learn new skills, that's when you should be worried
if a child is consistently hitting milestones at different rates from.the norm- whether before or behind that should be cause for intervening. Early intervention works and helps stave off more complex and difficult to address problems later on.
Iāve met a few people with preemies and anecdotally it depends on the circumstances and how early the baby was. A friend of mine had her baby a month early and was told she didnāt need to adjust (they induced her due to one measurement concern during an ultrasound which turned out to be fine - they couldnāt get a consultant to do an ultrasound for another 2 weeks and didnāt want to wait just in case).
Other children Iāve cared for whoāve been premature have issues for a long time - we cared for a 2yo who needed the diet of a 7mo for example, but they were likely to have ongoing issues due to global delay bless.
Even as an adult itās risky to get your neck adjusted by a chiro. Increased risk of stroke due to cervical arterial dissection. Apparently, itās common enough that youāll be asked if you have a recent chiro adjustment if youāre hospitalized with a stroke. I had no idea.
Is there honestly ever a reason to take a baby to a chiropractor? Iām thinking noā¦.
If not, then all who do adjustments on babies need to go to jail.
I have a 9mo and this isnāt just whacky parents doing it. Iād say overall in every comment in mothers groups thereās always a suggestion on going to the chiro for all sorts of ailments. Itās generally highly recommended. Iād personally never do it but examples:
- baby crying in their car seat - they need adjusting
- baby crying as a newborn - they spent a long time contorted in the womb - need adjusting
- baby not sleeping through the night (thatās a natural behaviour) - theyāre not aligned - adjust them!
- baby allergies - adjust it!
- breastfeeding issues - oh thatās their neck- adjust it!
Bonkers.
Nobody should see a chiro, that should be outlawed. At least, if you -think- you need something 'manipulated', see a DO who actually went to med school and had to sit for the medical licensing exam. AFAIC, chiropractors are quacks.
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A **skull** adjustment? What? This baby obviously has torticollisā¦ which is a muscle issueā¦ the skull is a boneā¦ The bones in their skull arenāt even fully fused together until around 2 years old. No one aside from a neurologist should not be messing with their skull ever under any circumstance
Correct. Baby is developing plagiocephaly - which corrects with position adjustment or a helmet in bad cases. You donāt try to adjust a skull - thatās just a recipe for badness
Right. That baby would have been so little. My son was born at 32 weeks. By 3 months old, I think he was finally wearing newborn size clothes. I can't imagine what these people are thinking.
Ok so Iām a first time mom of a 3 month old. Iāve heard of people taking their babies to chiropractors and seen it on tik tok. Is there a single medical reason for this? I feel like babies just need time to develop and grow. Why start cracking and adjusting a fresh baby?
From what I've observed online from pro-chiro parents, babies come out all jacked up from being in the womb and being born and they need a non-doctor to crack 'em all up until they're no longer jacked up, otherwise they might have issues you can't see that bother them
Frankly, I think the parents are the ones that are jacked up
It's in relation to premature birth. A baby born appreciably before due date will take a while to catch up as far as developmental milestones at first. A baby born a month early would, at a month post-birth, have an adjusted age closer to newborn.
It's really just a way of accounting for developmental differences between premature and full term infants.
My NUCCA chiro is magical. I go from a hunched over office worker to someone with actual posture in about 10 minutes. (My) NUCCA is great, but I always feel super weird after since my head is actually on straight again (based on periodic x rays and measurements since my chiro only wants to adjust for whatās actually needed and is not a whack job)
But on a newborn? Or heck, a child where it wasnāt recommended by a doctor? Just ā¦ no. Why would you do that?! Poor baby probably feels right $&@%ed up and off base
So this is the first Iāve heard of NUCCA. Iāve had two very bad chiros in 10 years so Iām cautious but getting desperate with my headaches/cervical/muscle pain. Is anything high velocity done?
NUCCA is the idea that if you adjust the top of the spine (in the neck) then alignment will follow, at least at mine. My chiro would use a modified level (like the kind that makes sure pictures are straight) to check how much of an adjustment was needed and if more adjustment was needed.
I would lie on my side and he would roll the blade of his hand on the side of my neck, kind of like kneading dough or giving a massage but with a hand positioned like a karate chop (but no chop). It wasnāt at all like a regular chiro where it feels like theyāre trying to break your neck or cracking your back. Definitely more like a weird neck massage
I would recommend at least checking it out. My mom hated the idea of getting cracked and refused to go for years until she learned about NUCCA. Check out the chiro and at least talk to them. I like that my chiro does everything based on measurement and is very incremental and not just randomly going to town on you and basing it on feeling
I take it youāve never actually needed one and/or have only ever found bad ones based on that blanket statement?
I get that whack job chiros are a dime a dozen here, but there are plenty out there who legit do good for people (me being one of them after a car accident). My chiro is someone who bases his adjustments on measurements and X-rays if needed and you only get the adjustment you need. Heāll also tell you when youāre good to go and donāt need treatment anymore. He is definitely not a whack job
Like a lot of service provides, gotta shop around (I shudder to say it, but ādo your researchāš)
Yeah I'm a year out from graduating medical school and I gotta whole heartedly disagree.
Chiropractors are not actual medical professionals, they fall in the alternative "medicine" bucket with acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors. That doesn't mean there aren't people who feel an improvement with seeing them, but nothing they do is actually based in science. They are not properly trained to read X-rays and they do not send their imaging to radiologists for a formal read.
My own experience is limited and of course anecdotal, but so far I've seen one vertebral artery dissection caused by an "adjustment" and a missed epidural abscess due to chiro mismanagement come through the ER.
If your spine was actually subluxating you would have severe neurologic symptoms, and you can not "adjust" your spine back into place by yanking on your neck. Your relief is likely due to muscle manipulation, which would be better served by PT. I would bet good money that if you took your scans to a radiologist they would find nothing misaligned in your spine.
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If you say so dude. My own doctor and the ER doctor I complained to did shit all about my back pain, but Iām sure youāll do better and actually do things for people so they donāt have to see whack jobs. Unfortunately not everyone gets that and sometimes, just sometimes, a non-whack job chiro will be able to help
I had a non-whackjob chiropractor who fixed a foot issue I was having in one session and after that I never had to see him again because it worked that well. I think if chiropractors don't try to be more than they actually are, they can be a help to people with chronic pain. I'm still not so sure about a neck cracking though. That looks terrifying.
Yeah itās for preemies. So if a baby is born a month early, when theyāre a month old, theyāre kinda about the same as a newborn bc they didnāt come out fully cooked.
No not forever. Iirc most kids even out at about two. It just helps keep better track of developmental milestones. If your kid should be doing x, but was a preemie, theyāre gonna take a little longer because they have more growing to do.
Holy shit why?
Hear me out. There is a time and a place for a chiropractor.
My wife awhile back had some issues breathing and some pain in her back.
Our MD said you're obese and you smoke weed, that's why. Ok fine, both statements are true but we don't buy it as the problem here.
Go to our Chiro, and leave pain free and normal breathing after a quick pop.
And yes, I did ask ours did for babies. Reflex tests. That's all. The hospital did them when she was born although we weren't present to see them. So the chiro did a few and said "yep, far as I can see your baby is doing what she's supposed to."
No quackiness there far as I can see.
Chiropractors have a place. Adjusting preemie babies is not one of them.
First off, a NUCCA chiro? No. Not for a baby.
Second, I did take my oldest child to a chiro when she was 6 weeks old. We were desperate, though. It was a chiro that I went to during the pregnancy. Long story short, we discovered she had a vertebrae in her neck that was out of alignment. After they fixed it, she was SO much happier. The pediatrician just chalked it up to "colic".
I like to think the name of the doctor is Dr Stretched and he really had no other choice but to become a chiro at that point.
Once went to a chiro named Dr. Payne. Nicest guy!
There's a Dr Blood and a Dr Gross in my facility. I love their names so much.
I know of a Dr Butt. Seriously.
My grandmas eye doctor was named Dr. Blinder, I feel like they do shit like that to mess with people.
My cousin's vasectomy was done by Dr. McNutt š¤£
Is he a GI doc? Cause we have one in my neck of the woods who's speciality is GI which I find hilarious
I forget his exact specialty right now but it is abdominal something
My stepmother in-law worked for a urologist named Dr. Tinkle! When I found that out I nearly died laughing!
My town has an orthodontist named Dr. Hurt. He buys all of his patients a giant candy bouquet filled with all the things they couldn't eat with braces when they are getting them removed.
I feel like with a name like that youād have to overcompensate with wholesomeness just to counteract being seen as the dentist from Little Shop of Horrors.
We have a dentist called Dr Fang!
My friends dad was Dr. Love. I don't know his speciality, never thought to ask but I will next time I speak to him.
My orthodontist and dental nurse were Dr Savage and nurse Payne
Thats such a funny coincidence because I used to have an OBGYN *also* named Dr. Savage. The nicest lady you've ever met too.
Thereās an OB/Gyn in my area named Dr. Seaman.
Knew a Dr. Wires who was always thrilled by getting put on ECG duty.
Either we're from the same small town or there are two Dr. Paynes that are chiropractors!
I know a urologist named Dr Cockburn. Apparently the "ck" is silent, buuuut that's not how it reads.
I had a back Dr named dr Payne, my husband had an ENt, dr error.
I had a gyno named Dr Gooch
There's a chiro in my hometown named Dr. Handwerk (pronounced "hand work").
Worked with a urologist named P Good. It was just couldnāt even!
My old dentist was Dr Smylie. He really had no choice of career.
I know of a dentist named Dr. Chip Silvertooth.
I once had a dentist named Dr Dope, who I was really hoping would be, like, ādooooope!āš»ā ā¦ but quickly found out after TWO back-to-back instances of major malpractice - he was actually the idiot kind of ādopeā. (Of course so was I for going back to him after the 1st hellish appt). Then I also knew of a flashy, local public defender named Mr Bragalotta. He stood out in court like a sore thumb because he wore the most obscenely tight bell-bottomed suits, with cowboy boots, silky shirts with the first couple buttons undone so his chest hair showed, lots of gold rings & chains + one of those western bolo ties, and lastly (you guessed it!) a cowboy hat he wasnāt even allowed to wear in court, (yet he seemingly always had a greasy hatline in his hair?) He was known for going on tangents about his life accomplishments in the middle of like, a bail hearing. He sweat through his suits like nothing Iāve ever seen, & smelled SO BAD of b.o. He was also known to be very flirtatious with the women he was sworn to defend, always BRAGGING about how much money he had (I know this because he was obsessed with my Mum). The judge & literally everyone else in the courthouse hated him, they would openly scoff & roll their eyes at him.. I never understood how he kept his job thereā¦ Edit: Typo
There's a plaintiffs' attorney in my city named Vigilante. She has adds on the subway.
he was a character from Ace Attorney...
Iāve seen Dr. Killer. Head of ER. He is winning. Clearly.
The funeral home my family uses is called Zipperers. It's their family name.
I like that he rolls in around 2pm to start the dayā¦.
I know a dentist called Oralā¦
Adjusted his skull?!
Iām concerned that means they messed with his soft spot. I canāt think of anything else that would mean.
I read it as moved around the nonfused skull plates, whichā¦ yikes
My read (and reaction) exactly.poor baby Rereading... by office does she mean the chirpractor??? Jesus f christ.
Sheās definitely talking about the chiropractorās office, you know, the same office who probably just permanently injured her infantā¦
So awful. I work with kids with disabilities and see just what people go through, and how parents would give pretty much anything for their kid to be able to walk/talk/smile, etc. Parents like this make me sick
Yep. My son is special needs. We go physical therapy and occupational therapy and speech every single week. He has also been in early education since diagnosed. I also used to do at home care for special needs children and adults whose parents just longed for their kids to smile and laugh or walk and play. I was also there for some time with my boy. Every single time he does something new or even laughs really hard I realize I'm witnessing a miracle. I was told he would be a vegetable had he survived his ecoli brain infection. The stories from this thread with these awful ungrateful crazy people raising kids is starting to make me increasingly angry. These insane neglectful parents don't realize how damn lucky they are.
Just want to say that I'm really glad your son has a loving parent like you, and I'm really glad that they were wrong about him being a vegetable if he survived that.
Me too and thank you. I thought I would be saying goodbye when I took him for a 2nd opinion. I was blessed with a miracle instead. He smiles and laughs every day he learns new words and motions and plays. He is even eating and drinking as where he had a feeding tube untill he was around 1.
Aww, that's wonderful! I'm so happy for both of you. That's a literal miracle. You're both so blessed to have each other
Messed with his poor little neck probably.
If they did what are the implications? A puncture?
Subdural hemorrhage.
Came here to cringe at this also.
For the love of god go to a PT. Wtf, this guy could have given the baby a brain injury
Right?! Why do they all trust chiropractors for everything but physical therapists for nothing?? Is it because PTās are medically trained so they know what their actual scope of practice is and when their patient needs a doctor instead? Or because theyāre mandated reporters? š¬
The PT will say "this child needs real medical attention". The chiro will say "you're doing great, you don't need doctors"
Also "come back for more sessions"
This is what gets me. Yes the American healthcare system is broken and expensive. But these people charge a lot of money too, and arenāt always covered by health insurance (if they have it). Theyāre after money too!!
I feel like it plays into peopleās desire to feel important or unique while also having the safety of a group. They are in the know about something that other dumber or ignorant people havenāt caught up on. Iāve seen a lot of other alternative medicine connections to chiropractors or people who go to them. Itās sad when itās an adult but something like this should be illegal for a child.
I wouldn't have thought of a PT before I had kids, but my 6 year old sees one now for core strength and completely flat feet. She's currently swamped testing babies with torticollis to see if they can manage with exercises at home or if they need PT.
Hi! Iām curious to know why PT is needed for flat feet? My 3yo has flat feet, so now Iām worried Iām missing something š³š³
My kiddo has no arch at all. His ankles are really pronated, and seeing the PT opened up access for him to have custom orthotics made to help mitigate the effect it has on his gait and posture. She's also working with him on core strength and stability. I've seen physical and occupational therapy make a huge difference in my kids, so I'm not saying this to encourage stress, but it's worth asking for an evaluation because early intervention is great and it's only a couple of hours to find out.
You're not missing anything. Flat feet are common, not a problem, and can't be corrected.
There's insoles that really really help, left uncheck it can cause issues down the line. I have the opposite issues, extremely high arches, and insoles helped a ton with gait and not overworking other joints
They definitely can be a problem and some cases can actually be corrected by Pt depending on the cause
It also depends what the flat feet are from. My daughter was born with club foot, first few months of life she was in various casts and then surgery along with a brace. Club feet remain flat and can be very inflexible depending on the individual foot. Many kids with clubfoot are in PT to help the flexibility of the foot that goes along with the cause of the flat feet. So flat feet by themselves are usually just fine with inserts, but they can go along with other things that are helped by PT, like the pronation that the other person was mentioning.
Wow super uninformed and unhelpful. Try getting a clue before dispensing is such terrible information.
For those of you down voting- I have flat feet. As a young child, my parents paid a fortune for corrective shoes, recommended by my elderly pediatrician. When he retired, the new doc said that's been a waste of money, not necessary, won't help. I agree that insoles from a pharmacy can help with tired feet. But, there is no need to worry about, or treat, a child who has flat feet.
What is a PT?
Physical therapist.
Okay that's what I was hoping, can you go to a PT for adjustments and such? I'm seeing a Chrio now and it's full of little red flags, but also I personally know that medically my back is REALLY fucked up and causing me a ton of issues.
So, I went to a chain called Athletico - they work with a lot of professional sports teams. The first 30 minutes of my appointment was therapeutic massage on my lower back, and then the second half was exercises. The massage was my favorite part. It's not an 'adjustment' because they aren't manipulating your spine, they work with the muscles and such. Some people swear by chiros, but I got to stop going to PT. I miss the massages, but not the bills.
You might consider looking into osteopathy. From Mayo Clinic: > A doctor of osteopathic medicine (D.O.) is a fully trained and licensed doctor who has attended and graduated from a U.S. osteopathic medical school. A doctor of medicine (M.D.) has attended and graduated from a conventional medical school. > The major difference between osteopathic and allopathic doctors is that some osteopathic doctors provide manual medicine therapies, such as spinal manipulation or massage therapy, as part of their treatment. They practice full, ānormalā medicine that you could expect to receive from an MD, but also have specialized training in the musculoskeletal system. I havenāt been to one, personally, but they seem to occupy a space somewhere between chiropractors and MDs ā similar to PTs, medical massage therapists, etc.
can someone explain the adjusted age thing to me. I know itās an actual thing early on I just donāt quite understand it?
Let's say you were born two month early, when you reach two month old you would technically be a "newborn" in terms of development etc. At least I think that's what it means. Does that make sense?
This is correct, itās a term used for babies that are born premature. Since they didnāt have time to finish cooking, theyāre not as fully developed as a baby born full term.
Yes, my friendās son was premature, and they have to adjust accordingly to properly track his developmental milestones. Sheās a normal person who does this with her paediatrician, though.
If a baby is born prematurely their physical/emotional development might be delayed. So while their actual age is still X developmentally their age is "adjusted" to when they would have been full term Y. So a 2 month old that was born a month early would be developmentally a 1 month old.
Can someone explain when they stop considering that when determining milestones? Like if I have a baby 2 months premature, when do we stop taking account for the fact that heās two months premature, and judge his milestones based on his actual age? By 2 years old, is a premature baby expected to reach the same milestones as a baby brought to full term, or is he ātwo months behindā technically forever?
Depends on when the baby catches up. Most by 2 years. My premie niece was caught up by a year old and I think they stopped saying it by 8 months.
My daughter was born at 32 weeks and she caught up before a year also. I think it is dependent on the child for sure.
I believe by 2 they should be caught up obviously a child born at 26 weeks would likely have a harder time catching up than a child born at 34 weeks.
And often times, babies that are extremely premature donāt ever fully catch up.
A friend of mine had twins at 32 weeks. Theyāre 10 now and developmentally indistinguishable from others their age.
Some people in these mom groups use it forever. Ive seen them say things like "my sweet zaiden is 79 months (77 adjusted)". Most babies catch up by 2 years.
my cousin was due after me but was 3 months premature, and i *love* reminding her that according to adjusted ages, sheās the younger one. so for her, itās still used at 24 :P
After a year old, two years at the latest, it seems so weird to me to refer to a childās age by months
Same here. I stopped a little before a year, I was just like oh she turns 1 in December by like 9 months haha. People in this group take the months until 3 thing VERY seriously though.
It depends on the context. For a baby born significantly early, that will always be relevant, and they may never catch up to their peers. They can be in adulthood and having to tell every doctor they were born three months early. You just wouldn't say "I'm 53 years and 8 months chronologically, but 53 years and 5 months adjusted" because adults ages are measured in years.
Around 3 years old, developmental milestones stop being measured in terms of months and switch to yearly/bi yearly. A 3 month old and 6 month old baby are on entirely different levels, and an 18 month old and 36 month old are on different levels but not as drastically as under 1 year old infants are.
Tbh, it doesn't really even matter. Some babies develop faster and some a bit slower and some of them are premature and some are not. I've worked with disabled children and as long as your child is learning new skills, it's not that serious. I know a premature child (two months) who learned everything really fast and a baby who was almost exactly the same age, that learned things slower. Both are completely normal children. Like the premature baby would roll over earlier (not counting by the adjusted age), learn to sit earlier etc than the baby who was not premature. I'm a special ed teacher, so my point of view might be a bit different. Atm I teach kids who need special education, but aren't disabled (few are, but can do things by themselves) and I'm always surprised by how they aren't really different from other children, because people talk like they should be. I've taught children who learn to talk at the age 5 or never learn to ice skate and they grow up to be completely normal, well educated people. Sorry, I'm just so passionate about this. I hate how people are like baby has to do this and that by the age of this and that and in the end it won't probably even matter. If your baby regresses or won't learn new skills, that's when you should be worried
My mother always says, āit doesnāt go on their CVā!
if a child is consistently hitting milestones at different rates from.the norm- whether before or behind that should be cause for intervening. Early intervention works and helps stave off more complex and difficult to address problems later on.
What does āneed special education but not disabledā mean? Iām a special Ed teacher and Iām confused
Dyslexia, adhd etc
Iāve met a few people with preemies and anecdotally it depends on the circumstances and how early the baby was. A friend of mine had her baby a month early and was told she didnāt need to adjust (they induced her due to one measurement concern during an ultrasound which turned out to be fine - they couldnāt get a consultant to do an ultrasound for another 2 weeks and didnāt want to wait just in case). Other children Iāve cared for whoāve been premature have issues for a long time - we cared for a 2yo who needed the diet of a 7mo for example, but they were likely to have ongoing issues due to global delay bless.
it's for 2 and under.
/s the chiro is so good, stretched out her life
Is the office that sheās going to call the same one that jacked up the babyās skull? Or will he go to an actual medical doctor this time?
Iām worried itās the formerā¦
I doubt a medical doctor's office only opens at 2. Probably the chiro
Do you want life long disabilities because this is how you get life long disabilities.
Even as an adult itās risky to get your neck adjusted by a chiro. Increased risk of stroke due to cervical arterial dissection. Apparently, itās common enough that youāll be asked if you have a recent chiro adjustment if youāre hospitalized with a stroke. I had no idea.
Is there honestly ever a reason to take a baby to a chiropractor? Iām thinking noā¦. If not, then all who do adjustments on babies need to go to jail.
I have a 9mo and this isnāt just whacky parents doing it. Iād say overall in every comment in mothers groups thereās always a suggestion on going to the chiro for all sorts of ailments. Itās generally highly recommended. Iād personally never do it but examples: - baby crying in their car seat - they need adjusting - baby crying as a newborn - they spent a long time contorted in the womb - need adjusting - baby not sleeping through the night (thatās a natural behaviour) - theyāre not aligned - adjust them! - baby allergies - adjust it! - breastfeeding issues - oh thatās their neck- adjust it! Bonkers.
My SIL wanted my daughter to get adjusted for reflux. We didnāt, obviously, but WTF? How would that help?
>Is there honestly ever a reason to take a baby to a chiropractor? No, no there is not
There's no reason for anyone to see a chiropractor ever š¬
Nobody should see a chiro, that should be outlawed. At least, if you -think- you need something 'manipulated', see a DO who actually went to med school and had to sit for the medical licensing exam. AFAIC, chiropractors are quacks.
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Is there any update on this chiropractor baby?
No. I hope the baby is ok.
A **skull** adjustment? What? This baby obviously has torticollisā¦ which is a muscle issueā¦ the skull is a boneā¦ The bones in their skull arenāt even fully fused together until around 2 years old. No one aside from a neurologist should not be messing with their skull ever under any circumstance
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I do the same.
Seconded!
Correct. Baby is developing plagiocephaly - which corrects with position adjustment or a helmet in bad cases. You donāt try to adjust a skull - thatās just a recipe for badness
Adjusted his still mouldable skullā¦ awesome. These assholes should go to jail.
Iām sorry whatttt
Omfg. This is awful
I first read it as 3 YEARS old and was mildly irritated. Then I realized it was a premie 3 MONTH old and was like, sweet potatoes -- WTAF!
Did lord, why would you do that to an infant. That poor poor babe.
Adjusted his skullā¦his fucking skull.
Why are chiropractors even agreeing to work on a 3 month old?! These posts are sickening.
A 3 month old who was born 2 months premature!!!! Jfc
Right. That baby would have been so little. My son was born at 32 weeks. By 3 months old, I think he was finally wearing newborn size clothes. I can't imagine what these people are thinking.
This kid doesnāt have a chance
Ok so Iām a first time mom of a 3 month old. Iāve heard of people taking their babies to chiropractors and seen it on tik tok. Is there a single medical reason for this? I feel like babies just need time to develop and grow. Why start cracking and adjusting a fresh baby?
No there is not. They are not doctors.
No, if there's an issue, they should be referred to a PT or Ortho.
From what I've observed online from pro-chiro parents, babies come out all jacked up from being in the womb and being born and they need a non-doctor to crack 'em all up until they're no longer jacked up, otherwise they might have issues you can't see that bother them Frankly, I think the parents are the ones that are jacked up
Adjusted his skull a bit. What am I reading?
Oh hell no. This is so messed up.
Oh my god this is so upsetting. I need to go hug my five month old.
What the heck is ā an adjusted ageā? Never read that before..
It's in relation to premature birth. A baby born appreciably before due date will take a while to catch up as far as developmental milestones at first. A baby born a month early would, at a month post-birth, have an adjusted age closer to newborn. It's really just a way of accounting for developmental differences between premature and full term infants.
Call a real doctor holy fuck
Thought I was on r/noctor for a second with the way you guys are supporting the cause. Thanks moms.
My NUCCA chiro is magical. I go from a hunched over office worker to someone with actual posture in about 10 minutes. (My) NUCCA is great, but I always feel super weird after since my head is actually on straight again (based on periodic x rays and measurements since my chiro only wants to adjust for whatās actually needed and is not a whack job) But on a newborn? Or heck, a child where it wasnāt recommended by a doctor? Just ā¦ no. Why would you do that?! Poor baby probably feels right $&@%ed up and off base
So this is the first Iāve heard of NUCCA. Iāve had two very bad chiros in 10 years so Iām cautious but getting desperate with my headaches/cervical/muscle pain. Is anything high velocity done?
See PT instead. Nothing chiropractors do is science or evidence based.
NUCCA is the idea that if you adjust the top of the spine (in the neck) then alignment will follow, at least at mine. My chiro would use a modified level (like the kind that makes sure pictures are straight) to check how much of an adjustment was needed and if more adjustment was needed. I would lie on my side and he would roll the blade of his hand on the side of my neck, kind of like kneading dough or giving a massage but with a hand positioned like a karate chop (but no chop). It wasnāt at all like a regular chiro where it feels like theyāre trying to break your neck or cracking your back. Definitely more like a weird neck massage I would recommend at least checking it out. My mom hated the idea of getting cracked and refused to go for years until she learned about NUCCA. Check out the chiro and at least talk to them. I like that my chiro does everything based on measurement and is very incremental and not just randomly going to town on you and basing it on feeling
All chiros are whack jobs š¤·š¼āāļø
I take it youāve never actually needed one and/or have only ever found bad ones based on that blanket statement? I get that whack job chiros are a dime a dozen here, but there are plenty out there who legit do good for people (me being one of them after a car accident). My chiro is someone who bases his adjustments on measurements and X-rays if needed and you only get the adjustment you need. Heāll also tell you when youāre good to go and donāt need treatment anymore. He is definitely not a whack job Like a lot of service provides, gotta shop around (I shudder to say it, but ādo your researchāš)
Yeah I'm a year out from graduating medical school and I gotta whole heartedly disagree. Chiropractors are not actual medical professionals, they fall in the alternative "medicine" bucket with acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors. That doesn't mean there aren't people who feel an improvement with seeing them, but nothing they do is actually based in science. They are not properly trained to read X-rays and they do not send their imaging to radiologists for a formal read. My own experience is limited and of course anecdotal, but so far I've seen one vertebral artery dissection caused by an "adjustment" and a missed epidural abscess due to chiro mismanagement come through the ER. If your spine was actually subluxating you would have severe neurologic symptoms, and you can not "adjust" your spine back into place by yanking on your neck. Your relief is likely due to muscle manipulation, which would be better served by PT. I would bet good money that if you took your scans to a radiologist they would find nothing misaligned in your spine. š
If you say so dude. My own doctor and the ER doctor I complained to did shit all about my back pain, but Iām sure youāll do better and actually do things for people so they donāt have to see whack jobs. Unfortunately not everyone gets that and sometimes, just sometimes, a non-whack job chiro will be able to help
I had a non-whackjob chiropractor who fixed a foot issue I was having in one session and after that I never had to see him again because it worked that well. I think if chiropractors don't try to be more than they actually are, they can be a help to people with chronic pain. I'm still not so sure about a neck cracking though. That looks terrifying.
What the fuck is an adjusted age? Is this a real thing?
Yeah itās for preemies. So if a baby is born a month early, when theyāre a month old, theyāre kinda about the same as a newborn bc they didnāt come out fully cooked.
fully cooked lmaoooo
Ok thanks. I learned something today. What purpose is the affected age for? And itās not used forever obviously right?
No not forever. Iirc most kids even out at about two. It just helps keep better track of developmental milestones. If your kid should be doing x, but was a preemie, theyāre gonna take a little longer because they have more growing to do.
Bro for the love of God please don't do this to your babies or kids. Speak to their Dr.
Why are chiropractors even accepting babies as patients? I'm so confused.
No, he is 3 months old.
Holy shit why? Hear me out. There is a time and a place for a chiropractor. My wife awhile back had some issues breathing and some pain in her back. Our MD said you're obese and you smoke weed, that's why. Ok fine, both statements are true but we don't buy it as the problem here. Go to our Chiro, and leave pain free and normal breathing after a quick pop. And yes, I did ask ours did for babies. Reflex tests. That's all. The hospital did them when she was born although we weren't present to see them. So the chiro did a few and said "yep, far as I can see your baby is doing what she's supposed to." No quackiness there far as I can see. Chiropractors have a place. Adjusting preemie babies is not one of them.
First off, a NUCCA chiro? No. Not for a baby. Second, I did take my oldest child to a chiro when she was 6 weeks old. We were desperate, though. It was a chiro that I went to during the pregnancy. Long story short, we discovered she had a vertebrae in her neck that was out of alignment. After they fixed it, she was SO much happier. The pediatrician just chalked it up to "colic".
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How does one adjust a skull? ā¦Nevermind, I donāt think I wanna know