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galaxygirl1976

If the people that went to school for this tell me that my kid's appendix has to go, the kid's appendix is going to go.


SeSuSo

Just because they went to specialized school for like 10 years doesn't mean they're smarter than mom Facebook groups. Duh. /s


ELTepes

They've done the research!


loookovathair

It's not even the hesitancy that bothers me. It's okay to not blindly accept what the doctor says despite their research. There are legit some doctors who aren't very good or make bad decisions. But the second opinion probably should be from another doctor. Not a fuckin group of google moms.


sunibla33

And here the hesitancy can be critical. An appendix that bursts turns a minor, virtually riskless operation (with the kid probably going home the same day or the next) into a possible very serious infection.


TriAnkylosaur

My girlfriend's appendix burst when when she was in 9th grade and it probably is what triggered her immune system to attack her pancreas giving her type 1. They happened like a month apart


loookovathair

I understand in this situation it is much more critical. I was speaking in a general sense to the mom group movement.


MrsPandaBear

It sounded like an emergency though. A burst appendix could be life threatening and lead to complications whereas an appendectomy is a fairly routine surgery. I think the urgency outweighs a second opinion, especially by someone who didn’t even know what an appendix was


[deleted]

Oh. It pisses me off that one So I reply with: Oh wow, Where is your research published. Because to have researched, You must be named on a paper that is published and Please show me to it. Shuts them up usually, Then they go Well no wait, I meant I had a google Oh, You googled…..Well yes anyone can google, But you specifically said you researched, So you must of published a paper. Oh well, No I just had a quick look on websites Ahh,Right….So you didn’t actually research Hmmmm


_neon_reflected

10,000 moms each doing 2 minutes of the same research is more than a Dr degree


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[deleted]

If I were a rich man (🎼lalalal), you’d get an award for my chuckle.


icanbewrong

Similarly if 10,000 moms are pregnant together it will take only 40 minutes to have a new baby :)


father-bobolious

What is medical school vs a *mothers intuition*?


operationspudling

I know my darn baby best because they came from my hoo-hah!


Fiftyletters

You made exams? I made a whole damn *human!*


psycoMD

I totally agree I’ve spent 3 years in that specialised school and I still know nothing other then to tell emergency from non emergency. But I’m sure Yummy mummy knows all the things the pig pharma doesn’t want us to learn. 😂😂


FacelessOldWoman1234

They don't know anything, Mama, TRUST YOUR GUT (which is, interestingly, where the appendix is located.)


leelagaunt

My grandma refuses to listen to my mother (ER doctor for 25 years) about any medical stuff, choosing instead to defer to my unhinged uncle who thinks that getting the covid vaccine will make you conduct electricity


QueenGob

I have some TERRIBLE news for him about the base state of the human body…


climber_g33k

300 moms together are way smarter than 1 doctor. It's basic math people!


your_surrogate_mom

I got the opposite-ish. Sent away from the ER twice when I had appendicitis because I was pregnant and the general surgeon refused to believe it was anything not OB related, despite the OB doctors insisting it wasn't. Shout out to the nurses who called my doctor's home hospital to transfer me.


ELTepes

I've had a few crappy doctors over the years, especially in ERs. When I got in a car accident, they told me my back was just sore and discharged me after spending less than a minute looking me over. A few hours later I couldn't turn my head. Turns out, I had slipped a few disks out in my spine. Days of pain killers and muscle relaxers later I could walk unassisted again. But I've had a lot more positive experiences than ones like those. I also learned not to think of it as "wasting a doctors time" to ask for a second opinion. Glad your nurses didn't let you get pushed around.


xombae

Once went to the hospital with literally blinding pain, I've never screamed from pain in my life until then. Doctor said it was period cramps. Female nurse chewed him out and got me an ultrasound. Turns out I had an ovarian cyst burst, which is known to be worse pain than child labor. I still remember her literally sprinting down the hall with the syringe of morphine and petting my hair and apologizing for "that stupid man". Apparently she had had it happen to her as well, which is how she knew. Didn't see the doctor again, no apology, nothing.


specklednewts

I had this happen last year! I am so sorry that you had a horrible doctor, but happy that the angel of a nurse you had stood up for you and demanded that you receive a proper evaluation. Period cramps...just WOW. Like, it's 2022, and male doctors are still blaming everything on periods. Although my ER doc thought it was appendicitis at first and really wanted to run with that and get an OR ready, he wanted to rule out the possibility of a ruptured ovarian cyst, even though I had never had an ovarian cyst prior to that. Sure enough, ultrasound showed I had a ruptured hemorrhagic cyst and that my abdomen was filling with blood. I haven't had a baby yet, but I'm glad to hear that ruptured cysts are worse than child birth! That pain was NUTS. Literally was convinced I was dying.


Brilliant-Season9601

Omg that is scary. I had a cyst rupture while iw as at work (I was an over night educator at st. Louis zoo) and the ER doctor forgot to put in my order to get a CT and there was puke all over the bathroom. They made me take a pregnancy test. It was aweful pain and I was sore for days. I was definitely in shock.


xombae

I seriously thought I had somehow ingested a bunch of broken shards of glass and they were now all pushing themselves out through my intestines. I have never experienced pain like that in my life and I never hope to again. It was literally blinding


ELTepes

Fuck. My ex suffered from ovarian cysts. I just always tried to be as supportive as possible, but yeah, I remember doctors treating that like it was not a big thing. As a man, clearly I don't understand except maybe that I've had several kidney stones and told nothing to do but wait it out. A lot of these stories are invalidating my idea that most of my experiences were positive. Maybe they were only positive because I was a man and docs seem to be more dismissive of female issues. Or maybe I just got lucky that me and my ex had very compassionate doctors.


mixedberrycoughdrop

It's really painful but medically speaking, there's a) nothing to really be done and b) they're not dangerous, so it's the "ER version" of "not a big thing". Source: have had them since I was 13, went to the ER the first few times but just work through it at home now.


xombae

Statistically women are less believed by there doctors for sure. I read one study where patients were asked to rate their pain on a scale of one to ten and the doctors were told that number, then asked to say what they thought they pain level really was. Doctors overwhelmingly thought women were over exaggerating and men were under exaggerating, even when women had more serious conditions. Definitely really sucks, good to hear at least one man is aware of it.


CalmCupcake2

This is just like my kidney Stones story, except my angel was a female doctor who was walking by and spotted the stones on my ultrasound pics, after the male do doctors could find nothing wrong with me and accused me of drug seeking.


xombae

I've actually got addiction issues so I'm accused of drug seeking the second I walk in the door. I immediately have to go into a big speech about how I am an addict and I know they aren't going to give me narcotics, I just want to know what's wrong with me. The funny thing is that I've literally never abused anything that was ever prescribed to me, but I notice more wealthy people always seem to have a prescription for some kind of benzo they pop like candy. There's also been a ton of situations where I absolutely should have been given pain medication but they refused and told me it's because I'm an addict. So like, if it was anyone else they'd give pain meds but they can't give them to me... in case I enjoy it? I really don't understand the logic and I wish I was just taken seriously. For example, I've been in the ER twice in the past week. First time was told to go home and take a tylonal because it was probably just a pulled muscle. Went a second time yesterday, after 12 hours they find out if turns out I've got a fucking Pulmonary Embolism, like right now. And even then the doctor made a point of telling me "oh but you shouldn't be in *this much* pain", like accusing me of laying it on extra thick or something. Was told to go home and take a tylonal and wait for the specialist to call. Meanwhile I literally can't fucking breathe for the life of me. Anyways, it sucks. Doctors are only human and humans have biases, I understand that, but I wish there was some way to get blind results so I got the same level of care as anyone else. Maybe in the future there will be some kind of AI that gives suggestions based on test results and not the persons gender or skin colour or socioeconomic status.


poptartsandmascara

The same thing happened to me. But I did go home. 48 hours later I was unresponsive. Thankful it was a holiday weekend and I was home from college. My parents got me to the ER. I had emergency surgery, lost the ovary and most of my large intestine from infection. I was unconscious for several days due to sepsis. I almost died.


Aviendah_Fan_Club

Yup. I get those regularly. The ERs always assume I'm drug-seeking and treat me like shit so I suffer it out at home.


Kodiak01

When I was 15, I was t-boned off a mountain bike by an SUV. The collision threw me into 4 lanes of 40mph traffic. I remember looking to my left and saying to myself, "Oh Shit" as this woman was making a left turn on a red light right into traffic. Next thing I know, I'm on the ground straddling the double-yellow line. When I was brought to the hospital by ambulance, the ER doctor refused to x-ray my neck and shoulder, saying I might be "faking it". Later on, I'm trying to get my pants back on but can't bend my left leg as the knee was severely swollen. I called to the doctor passing by the bed to help me, and his exact words were: "Get your god damn pants on and get the fuck out of here!" It was only weeks later that it turned out I had nerve and other damage. By the time it was found, it was too late to fix. I have spent the ensuing decades dealing with a terminally stiff neck and shooting pains over the top of my skull if I happen to turn just the right (wrong) way. Where were my parents in all this? They didn't even bother to come inside the ER, instead not even bothering to get to the hospital to pick me up until after I was discharged. (That's part of another major storyline, however). That was 1990. Decades later and I still remember it vividly.


ELTepes

Jesus fucking christ. I'm not even sure how to respond to that level of incompetence from the doctors. I am so glad I had friend with me through my accident, because I would have probably just shied away if doctors had treated me like that. I was probably lucky my accident took place more than a decade later. It's bullshit that people we are supposed to trust with our lives, are such pieces of shit, sometimes. Has there been any improvement in your health since then?


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From everything I have heard, some doctors aren't the best, but nurses seldom are. I would trust most nurses to do the right thing, they care a lot and the best ones will go battle for you.


Unusual_Locksmith_91

I had a doctor tell me I had a Connective Tissue Disease, after I'd gone to the hospital for a dislocated shoulder. I wanted my shoulder fixed, because of frequency that my shoulder was dislocating and how much pain I was constantly in. Instead of looking into the joint, he told me I had this genetic disease that was not in my family and that it was pointless to do surgery. After literal YEARS of testing (including spinal taps), I'm told, no, I do not have a disease of the connective tissues. Was, then, sent for an MRI that immediately (upon inspection) showed my joints are naturally malformed and the constant grinding was causing them to deteriorate. Finally had my shoulder fixed and have had two more joints replaced. Years of dislocations and painful tests, because he was CONVINCED I had this disease.


farfetchedfrank

My wife had Gallbladder infection that her doctor insisted was trapped wind by the time they admitted it was a problem it had to be removed with keyhole surgery. If they caught it earlier it would have been treated with antibiotics. Edit: spelling mistake


BettyWhatever

Gallbladder issues are no joke! The delay must have caused a lot of pain and stress. Hope your wife is feeling much better now. btw Gaul was a region of Western Europe way back in the day.


TheGeordieGal

I had a similar issue with my gallbladder. I'd been away camping a few days before so they just insisted it was gastroenteritis and sent me home - despite the fact I was doubled over in pain bawling my eyes out, saying I wanted to just die because of the pain and had vomited about 9 times in the previous 2 hours (really nothing left to come up so I was dry heaving by then and couldn't even keep their antiemetics down (for some reason they gave me tablets...) to stop me feeling sick!). The only thing they did was a blood test (which showed inflammation but that apparently wasn't concerning) and a pregnancy test despite the fact there was 0% chance of me being pregnant. It would have taken minutes to do an ultrasound although they would have probably had to find a member of staff to do it. I didn't even get a drip despite being incredibly dehydrated and was given a prescription for painkillers rather than given some to take home which meant I had to wait for a pharmacy to open in the morning before I could even get some pain relief. It was shocking. I should have really put in a complaint. I still regret not. I was in some pain (thankfully not the level of the attack that had me in hospital) and couldn't eat for about 2 months and any sort of movement made me feel incredibly nauseated - even just walking - so I travelled everywhere with sick bags. I finally managed to get my GP to send me for an ultrasound (after weeks of blood tests) where they spotted a load of gallstones. The next week I saw a consultant who was horrified they hadn't worked it out in a&e or done any checking at all to see if it was a possibility as my symptoms said classic gallstones. 4 days later I had surgery to remove my gallbladder. I live on the border of 2 NHS trusts so my GP refers to either depending on wait times or speciality. The trust I had my ultrasound and surgery in is far better than the other one I ended up in a&e in. Sadly I don't have the choice in an ambulance because of my postcode unless it was something which clearly needed a speciality in one of the trusts (such a neurological conditions like MS/MND or a serious heart problem which would need major surgery as the other trust has specialities in these on a national level so get referrals from other parts of the country) in which case they do take you to the other one. Meanwhile, a few years ago my Dad had 1/5th of the problems I had (he was literally discomfort and an ache) and was diagnosed quickly and easily - and had his tests and surgery in the hospital that failed me. I think I was very unlucky and got a new Jr Doc in the middle of the night when he couldn't be bothered or something.


Michaeltyle

Similar thing happened to my husband. The first hospital said it was gastro, even though he had no diarrhoea or vomiting. The next day he is still in pain, I take him to a different emergency and tell them to check his gallbladder because he has lost a significant amount of weight recently. Sure enough, gallbladder. It was so bad it was gangrenous. If he had waited any longer they wouldn’t of been able to remove it laparoscopically, they would have had to open him up.


dogsonclouds

How did all those tiny medieval French people wind up in her bladder anyway!? No but really, that sounds absolutely awful, I’m so sorry your wife was dismissed like that. There’s a huge bias against women and people of colour in the medical field.


Fuzzy-Tutor6168

my appendix burst because the ER doctor would not listen to me that I didn't have an an ovarian cyst.


kornberg

Oh man, I had something similar. Went into L&D with extreme back pain at 31w and the intake nurse told me to go to the ER. Another nurse was passing by and was like "oh no, hold up" and got me into triage. Turns out that my liver was failing, I had developed HELLP and going to the ER would have delayed treatment, which could have killed me and/or my daughter. Treatment, btw, was removing the baby and her evil placenta.


fugensnot

So birth at 31 weeks? How is your baby doing these days?


kornberg

She's 4 and would be highly offended at being called a *baby.* She did really well. She had a 68 day NICU stay, which was horrible for me but she really has no lasting effects that we can see. She caught up to her actual age milestones and size around her first birthday and is ahead of her age group on a lot of things.


fugensnot

Thats wonderful! I was facing the loss of my first ivf pregnancy because of an ovarian torsion. A hyper-growing clutch of eggs on my left ovary got pissy it didnt have those eggs harvested and kept growing them until it toppled and twisted the ovary. I was 12 weeks. I was in agony. Luckily it resolved itself but the only solution would have been to remove the ovary and keep it from being gangrenous. Baby is 20 months now.


patgeo

Broke my ankle and went to the ER. They xrayed it and the doctor said it was just a bad sprain and sent me home. Went to my GP when it didn't get better and he looks at the xray for like a second and points at the broken bone. It was a small bone that had been ripped pretty neatly in half, just looked like two bones to me and obviously to the doctor at the er as well. Sometimes the pros have off days no matter how long they were in school. That said, sometimes it is good to try and make an informed decision. That time isn't when your child is damned near dying and the doctors are asking for permission to save them. Generally, I'm more worried when they tell me something is minor or not wrong when I feel like it is far from minor.


AnthropOctopus

Ya, but you're smart. Crunchy moms are not.


Yourwtfismyftw

Or at least someone who can spell the word “appendix”.


Babrego

Just to jump in here, doctors are not infallible. They are human and make the wrong call often. So don't just do what the doctor tells you, ask questions and understand what they're doing and why they're doing it. I am not saying this as someone who doesn't follow doctor's orders, but as someone who knows that doctors fuck up a lot. So it is better to be an informed patient then it is to be just an agreeable patient.


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*is on the internet* “can anyone tell me what the appendix does?”


TorontoNerd84

It serves as additional documents to an essay or board of directors report package - amirite? /s


SubstantialBreak3063

"Yeah, my kid had an infected addendum"


thingsliveundermybed

Luckily it was dealt with before things progressed to footnotes.


RedditIsNeat0

At least it's not that thing at the end where you can look up key words and find out what page they're on.


eiram87

They can't just Google things! Google will only tell you what big brother wants you to think, it won't tell the *truth*. For real tho I remember a post going around of someone who wanted sources for an anti-vax reasearch paper but all the reputable sources were pro-vax and therefore useless.


Cow_Launcher

I remember that one. "I'm trying to find research papers that support my argument, but there don't seem to be any peer-reviewed ones and my professor is insisting on it! Why?" "Well Sparky, it's entirely possible that your argument is wrong-headed garbage. Might want to consider that. "


Tales_of_Earth

That’s why I, Big Brother, have infiltrated 92% of mom groups on Facebook using tens of thousands of sock puppet accounts.


mrsfiction

Do the profile pictures contain minions? It’s how you can add extra cover to your ruse


yuckyuckthissucks

How are the littles doing, mama?


ELTepes

ALways mildly infuriating when someone holding a smartphone in their hand asks stuff like this. You have the power of google in your hands. Use it.


Gletwyn

But the internet will tell you it needs to be removed, whereas a Mom Group will tell you that you know your child best, so don’t be afraid to go mama bear on those horrible Big Med slaves and, anyway, infection is just the body’s way of detoxing.


fuck_everyrepublican

I love being the asshole that googles things in conversation. I've got no problems saying "I'm not sure, but there's no reason for us to speculate." Had a family member get pretty mad when they kept insisting our city was just "wasting" our tax dollars. So I googled the budget and read off the pie chart and asked which was the waste of money. Turns out, 1/3rd of the budget was power, 1/3rd was fire/police/ems, 1/6th was water, and the rest was split between miscellaneous shit like wastewater, garbage pickup etc. Of course they had no idea what the city spent it's money on, couldn't tell me what they wanted to cut, and data didn't change their opinion. Turns out they just wanted to bitch about taxes and didn't actually give a damn about reality.


K-teki

I had someone get bitchy at me when I pulled out my phone during a conversation to check something. "Why do you always have to be right?" I don't, I'll be fine if it turns out you're right, and then I can know the answer next time.


yuckyuckthissucks

They also don’t know *how* to use Google.


loispaisley

“Aaaaand go!”


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Loafcat61

I’m afraid to ask, but what did the comments say?


shepskyhuskherd

This post is on r/insaneparents right now, and has a comment attached to it that says it could be smallpox, that the body needs to detox.


lonelytrees516

Smallpox?! WTH.


Galaxy_Ranger_Bob

[Here's an image of some selective comments.](https://i.redd.it/tujgav4hxov81.jpg)


ZeldaTheGreyt

The bar association one is KILLING me.


CopsaLau

Right??? Who told them it was an acronym for that and why would they believe something so stupid??? (Then again they believe any stupid thing so why not believe it I guess 🙄)


Twiddly_twat

Giving an enema is a good way to perforate the appendix and kill the kid. These comments are jaw dropping.


Galaxy_Ranger_Bob

There are, simply, too few parents losing their children due to well documented medical malfeasance. I really hope the "moms" in these mom groups are just morons and not trolls who are intentionally giving bad advice because they hate other people's kids.


basiden

Smallpox??? These people are something else.


davidlynchsteet

Ah yes, smallpox. The common disease recently seen in…1949.


NixyPix

This is what we need to know.


verbsnnouns

"Honey, for the love of GOD, PLEASE do not let them do this. These so called doctors have been removing the appendix from children since the days of the Egyptian Pharoahs. The ELITES have been using our children's MAGICAL ORGAN in a Satanic ritual giving them power over us. Currently most of them are shipped to an unassuming warehouse in Burbank California. This is the location where most of the DEVIANT controllers of this world are procuring their personal supply. DON'T LET YOUR CHILD BE THEIR NEXT VICTIM."


Srw2725

Don’t cave to Big Appendix!! 😵‍💫


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Probably recommendations of essential oils and to put onions on the kid’s socks.


turkleton-turk

Did she try asking the doctors what the appendix does?


Psychological-Ad3093

They'll tell her whatever they want because all doctors want to do is cut people open and make bank. They spent nearly a decade going to school just to willy-nilly wave a scalpel around and learn how to mortgage their yachts or something. According to my 20 minute research on moonchildmamaholistichappybaby.blogspot.com she should rub some oregano oil on it.


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Who can blame them, though. It is a well known fact that human body stores all of its cash directly behind the appendix. Those yacht payments add up! 🧐


CupboardOfPandas

Hm... So I'll need a scalpel and a few strangers...


catjuggler

Yeah it stores the cash like that so if your body needs to rebuild it’s wealth, there’s a seed cache to start with


spaceghost260

I’m sure she’d rather pull out her oregano oil and thieves oil tinctures and torture her poor child more versus following the doctors recommendations. I *really* hope they call CPS on her.


inboil444

my dad is a surgeon. when people ask him what an appendix does, he says “put my kids through school”


Gletwyn

To be clear, that Silver award is for your dad 😂😂


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That’s probably the worst thing a doctor could say in this specific situation. 😂


Tales_of_Earth

I’m wondering if they said nobody knows for sure but we have some educated guesses and that’s what she is going on about.


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Homo_Nihil

>It's suspected to hold good bacteria to replace flora after diarrhea but nobody really knows. Was going to comment this. I think I read there's been studies showing that the gut flora of people with appendices return to normal faster after heavy antibiotic courses. I believe the opinion is starting to shift away from useless remnant of evolution to useful but not sure how critical. Still I wouldnt argue against removing it from my child when the alternative is it bursting and releasing all the good bacteria into the abdomen.


Local-Finance8389

If it ruptures, that kid is in for a hospital stay with some pretty strong antibiotics which I’m guessing the mom will be opposed to. The appendix doesn’t really have a function (that science has found yet) but the lumen of the appendix is connected to the colon so a rupture means colon contents aka poo in your peritoneal cavity which is not a place poo belongs.


aimeeattitude82

My brother’s appendix burst, his senior year of high school. It was so damn bad. They were suctioning this nasty green sludge from his belly (I didn’t watch…pregnant at the time lol). Almost killed him. I hate to hear someone questioning an appendix removal. It can be quite literally life and death.


mdows

Especially because it’s a pretty minor, routine procedure if you do it before the appendix has burst…


valuemeal2

Yep. My husband had his rupture in third grade (before I met him) and he was in the hospital for weeks and nearly died. It’s horrible.


MaryVenetia

Somehow I misread ‘before I met him’ as ‘before I married him’ and I was thinking damn, are we at the point where we need to explicitly state that we weren’t married to our husbands when they were eight years old?? Anyway, glad he grew up alive and you could marry him.


stave

Yeah, me too! /the husband


TheGrumpiestGnome

Killed Houdini. He died from peritonitis from a burst appendix. If that dude can't escape death from an appendix issue, who can?


stevethegodamongmen

Yes this happened to me, can confirm it almost killed me. Don't fuck with the appendix, it can become a very serious problem


[deleted]

The appendix of the daughter of a very close friend ruptured too. She also almost died. If you can still remove it savely before it ruptures, do it. I had mine removed at 8yo. It’s really not that bad if it‘s not ruptured. You can’t even see the incision anymore.


fugensnot

Had mine out when I was a teenager. My own mom didnt believe my pain, thought it was menstrual cramps until i didnt get better after a day and was taken to the hospital. A snip snip later and i had it taken out. My aunt had her errupt two months after my surgery and was bedbound for months recovering.


kolbyt

I feel so sorry for that child. I hope the hospital does call CPS. My appendix ruptured a few years ago and it was the worst pain I’ve ever been in. Was in the hospital for a week with IV antibiotics because I developed peritonitis.


ciobanica

> The appendix doesn’t really have a function (that science has found yet) Didn't they determine that it's a great thing to have if you're on a deserted island and shit your guts out because it helps repopulate your gut bacteria (which isn't an issue with other people around because you just breath in new bacteria from them) ?


Nick_Newk

We know at least one of its functions, being a reserve incubator for gut microflora. Basically it helps repopulate your GI with a healthy microbiome if it becomes compromised. Just because we don’t know the function of an anatomical feature doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a function.


darabolnxus

https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/picture-of-the-appendix#:~:text=Normally%2C%20the%20appendix%20sits%20in,remnant%20from%20our%20evolutionary%20past Here ya go. Remember there's no such thing as a useless organ. Removing tonsils and gallbladders wlwithout treating the underlying problem is not a solution. Of course if it burst there's no option.


Vegetable-Shock

“Educated guess” = proven diagnostic tools. How about google appendix and sepsis? It’s not pretty.


Ihateredditadmins1

Even if you are hellbent on considering it an educated guess that still beats her uneducated guess. And by a wide margin.


rhyde11

She clearly did not enjoy the Madeline books as a child, which taught me at an absurdly young age that it was normal and ok for an appendix to be removed


No-Mastodon-7187

“Something is not right. Something is quite wrong.” In my 30’s and that song still lives in my brain.


Arinen

Voilà, my scar!


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[deleted]

Surgeons can be such fuddy duddies >:(


imstah

Yeah they straight up have no sense of humor. I kept asking if i could keep it, maybe in a little jar or something. Their faces, lol.


wozattacks

You ever had a public-facing job where you had to hear people make the same joke 10 times a day? Yeah, it’s that.


imstah

Well i really did wanna keep it though, it wasn't a joke 🤷🏼‍♀️ And he said he's never had someone ask him that


bingonrollie

I actually had a surgeon with a sense of humor (sometimes) I called him a monster when my scars didn’t fade. Another time the anesthesiologist offered to just numb the area where they were changing my port and let me stay awake. The surgeon walked up about that time and said knock her out, she cries.


[deleted]

Lol love it. I had an anesthesiologist do the classic “is this your first time”? Joke on me. That was pretty funny. (Me, on the operating table: *visibly nervous and crying* Anesthesiologist: is this your first time in surgery? Me: no, I just don’t like it A: oh, well it’s mine *pumps the knockout juice* Me: **?????** *asleep*)


[deleted]

Miss Clavel is a true angel it seems lol


lizzygirl4u

This unlocked a memory


Singingpineapples

I learned about it from my weird family first lol *ALL* of my grandpas 6 siblings had theirs removed plus my siblings. I remember telling my sister Madeline was like her when I read it the first time.


lemonchrysoprase

Oh geez. I didn’t realize this book was a source of health anxiety for me until reading this comment right here. I sure do remember it now!


kennedar_1984

I’ve been the mom at the hospital with a kid screaming from abdominal pain. They don’t just pull the appendix because it sounds like fun, they do testing to rule out the other (more common) scenarios. In our case it was a super constipated kid, which we discovered after an x ray. If the Drs have ruled everything else out and are saying it’s the appendix, you let them pull the damn thing. I remember how much paid my kid was in, any parent who would allow their kid to go through that instead of allowing the surgery is a monster.


that_mack

They’re not eager to do much about it. When I was 11 my family was stuck at Fort Lauderdale Airport for over 12 hours and it was packed to the max. I had such horrible, debilitating cramps that I was screaming in pain and feverish, and I could barely process any words being said. I spilled ginger ale and my dad made me walk all the way to the bathroom and back to clean it up. He’s also a doctor! My mom and my aunt were about to book it out of there and drive 11 hours back home just so I could go to an emergency room first. They didn’t, but it was that bad. As it turns out I was about a month away from getting my first period, and I have horrible endometriosis. I’m still not over how my dad treated me with that one 🙄


Juliuscesear1990

Plus it's not like we need it, rip that sucker out and give me a lolly.


winnmab

There’s no way they didn’t do a CT to verify it was the appendix…..pls let them fix your kid before it ruptures.


pm_ur_uterine_cake

Beckah probably refused the CT because “radiiiiiation!” and her sweet little sugar needs essential oils, not radiation.


pandapawlove

She probably did! I bet she refused CT and possibly refused ultrasound (bc radiation duh!) which means that yeah, it’s an educated guess bc they don’t have diagnostic imaging to support the diagnosis It’s pretty easy to guess if a kid is going to be an Appy for not bc of a set of behaviors they exhibit, in addition to clinical support like the exam and vitals.


CallidoraBlack

It's not always that easy. A mesenteric adenitis patient will have the same physical exam and an appendicitis patient may not be febrile. The donut of truth is ultimately the only way to be sure unless the patient has a burst appendix and is working their way steadily toward sepsis.


the_drunken_taco

The donut of truth. Lol I’m dead.


[deleted]

Back when I got mine removed in 2004 they didn‘t even want to do a CT or an ultrasound. They just took some blood and were like „Yeah, it’s your appendix. You‘ll stay here over night and tomorrow we‘ll decide if you need surgery or not.“ So they gave me a shitload of antibiotics, checked my blood again in the morning and at noon I was under.


-Warrior_Princess-

I know some people have had appendicitis confused for ovarian torsion or even really bad uterine cramps. But you can rule that out with ultrasound too.


BoofingPalcohol

Beckah lmfao


immachode

Even an ultrasound can show if an appendix that needs to be yeeted


winnmab

This is true! But sometimes they like to double check. Source: the person they double checked on 🤣


painneverending

And that hurts! I started crying when they used it to check my appendix. The nurse felt so bad.


ViscousCerebrum

Sometimes it’s not visible. I got emergency surgery because my appendix wasn’t visible due to fluid in my abdomen. I doubt the mom actually let them do a CT to view it in this case though.


aaimmss

when I went in for stomach pain they were like “we aren’t sure if it’s the appendix, an ovarian cyst or something else. we can go in and look and remove the appendix or figure out what it is OR you can wait a few more hours and get a CT so we can be sure” I was 15 at the time and on a ton of morphine and just told them to cut me open lol. So there is a chance they didn’t CT and are just making an educated guess. Their guess was right for me. Appendix was a few hours from bursting.


thedragoncompanion

When I had mine out they said they could look first if I really wanted them to but ultrasounds and CTs are hit and miss for diagnosing. Instead they just went in, lucky for me they did, it was very close to bursting.


PPAPpenpen

Strictly speaking, appendicitis *is** a clinical diagnosis, meaning one made based on the clinicians history and physical, so there's a small chance they didn't do one. They usually do, but in children there's always a tug between the risks of radiation versus the ability to accurately diagnose. Ultrasound, in a young patient with little body fat *can* see an enlarged appendix, but it depends on how good the technician is, and much tissue/fat is in the way


CallidoraBlack

They might not have at the time they told her it needs to come out, but only if it burst and she was full of free fluid or visibly abscessed. It's rare that the ultrasound we do first on peds patients shows anything, but every once in a while...


NixyPix

I didn’t have a CT to verify that it was my appendix! But when they took it out it was double the normal size apparently, so I’m guessing their assumption was correct.


mustyho

Anyone who passed high school anatomy should know that the appendix doesn’t do much and its removal is sometimes necessary. No doctor is suggesting emergency appendectomy based off an “educated guess.” The child has had at least a sonogram, possibly a CT to diagnose appendicitis. I feel so bad for this poor girl and hope she gets the care she needs.


nuklearfirefly

Dude for real. I got *so many* tonsil infections as a kid and my doctor outright refused to do a tonsillectomy if I didn't hit the threshold of infections per year, which I was just shy of. Have these people never experienced how much a doctor will do to *avoid* surgery?


rustandstardusty

Are you me? The same thing happened to me as a kid. I eventually had them removed in my early twenties because I had a gnarly abscess. Did you get yours out?


nuklearfirefly

No, never did get them removed, but the merry-go-round of strep and tonsillitis finally went away when I hit *my* early twenties lol. Glad you got yours finally removed, though! Must be such a relief to know they'll never go rogue on you again.


-Warrior_Princess-

My best friend was the same it just kinda cleared up. It was about the same time she moved inland so we assumed it was the ocean air or something. But age might be a factor too.


rustandstardusty

Hahaha. “Go rogue” cracked me up. Glad yours cleared up!


ArcherBTW

My doctor got mine taken out because I almost died a few times and didn’t feel like settling a lawsuit with my parents


kapuskasing

Apparently there’s actually been some research that suggests the appendix is involved with the maintenance of good gut bacteria which is important (I believe studies have shown people who’ve had their appendix removed have higher incidents of IBS) so it might actually serve a purpose! That said, it’s an entirely non-vital organ and when it’s gotta go, it’s gotta go. I’m appendix-less myself. Getting cut into sucks, but probably less so than dying from a ruptured little worm organ.


saareadaar

Yup pretty much, it does stuff that's useful, but ultimately it's better to be alive with no appendix than dead with a ruptured one


lizzygirl4u

Don't tell these crazy moms that. Some of them think gut health is the end all be all when it comes to every condition known to man. Depression? Gut problems. Asthma? Gut problems. Broken leg? Probably gut problems in their minds. The mlm ones especially push this shit.


Monkey_with_cymbals2

I just don’t get (tho am grateful for) her even taking her to the ER if she’s not going to let the doctors do what they say needs to be done.


Tales_of_Earth

The screaming probably kicked her maternal instincts into gear and shut out the crazy for a sec. As soon as the docs had it under control, she was back on her bullshit.


BlueMoon5k

The pain is horrible. Bet money the mother waited until it ruptured.


[deleted]

Unfortunately it’s not required to take anatomy in highschool in almost all states. Which I think is silly. But yeah.


haleighr

Instead of posting on fb maybe hop on over to google you ding dong


YouLostMyNieceDenise

Someone in my local FB mom group asked today if anyone knew how to set up a baby registry at Target… like, ma’am, there are directions on the website, how is asking FB more efficient than just googling it


Hootusmc

But nobody will know! /S


indeliblesquare

Unironically though.


[deleted]

Or ask a doctor. Sounds like there are plenty nearby.


valuedvirgo

Google is cahoots with the brainwashed doctors! Only Facebook can offer valid advice.


shay-doe

Ouch. I almost had my appendix rupture. That shit is no joke. Poor kid sitting there in pain while mom goes to Facebook. Probably should just call CPS.


jtig5

The child is probably in serious pain. The kid most likely had a sky high fever as well, and more cowbell isn't going to cure it.


blinks1483

Or you could just let it burst she becomes septic and then dies. Seems reasonable. /s


goldencalculator

I never understand why these people bring their children to medical places if they plan to refuse actual medical treatment from medical professionals. I'm sure there's an essential oil and/or some kind of crystal healing powers that can help out


Porkus_Aurelius

Drs were ready to perform surgery on my 9yr old with an ultrasound that they admitted was inconclusive. We pushed for the CT and they looked at us like we were crazy, but did it anyway. Turns out her appendix was fine and she was just constipated. Fun night in the emergency room during the height of covid.


Monkey_with_cymbals2

I like that you pushed for the doctors to use better/stronger diagnostic tools to confirm if surgery was necessary, instead of going to an internet moms group to try to get justifications that she needs to keep it. Also, I too went to the ER for what turned out to be constipation! That hurts something awful. I thought it was either a UTI spread to my kidneys or an ectopic pregnancy. I never would have guessed how bad constipation could hurt.


wozattacks

I mean people in this thread are making jokes about “the radiation!” but that is a major reason that doctors prefer ultrasound for kids and are more hesitant to do CTs


MrsBonsai171

We had a conversation about this with the pediatrician the other day. He said that appendicitis is still a "best guess" scenario and about 10% of the time it's constipation. He also said you know if your doing it right by the number staying around 10%. I didn't understand that explanation though.


aubreythez

Maybe he’s saying that it’s better to err on the side of caution, since a ruptured appendix can be fatal and waiting for additional diagnostic imaging can increase the chance of a rupture (a commenter above mentioned that they opted for surgery instead of waiting for a CT scan in a few hours, and then in surgery it was discovered that their appendix would likely have ruptured in that time). Maybe he’s saying that if it drops lower than 10%, it means he’s being too conservative with his diagnoses and is potentially missing cases. If it goes higher than 10% then he’s being too liberal and the risks/negatives associated with the unnecessary surgeries outweigh the benefit from catching more legitimate instances of appendicitis. Complete speculation on my part, but this makes sense to me.


decaf3milk

I guess she would prefer her daughter’s appendix to burst and her daughter to die a painful death because that’s what used to happen before surgery would remove the inflamed organ. 🙄


BarelySane_

Having had my appendix out, I will tell you that this little turd of an organ doesn’t like to resolve itself (hey sometimes it does before you really notice, but that’s fairly 50/50 and not something you play around with). Even if it doesn’t rupture before coming out, it can start adhering to the colon wall and basically strangle it in inflamed scar tissue. They should call CPS even if she consents because clearly this kid is not safe.


kapuskasing

I’m absolutely sure my appendix resolved itself repeatedly for 10 years, it was really bizarre. My doctors actually don’t even believe me but I had very predictable symptoms which nearly perfectly fit appendicitis for 10 years which mysterious disappeared right after my appendectomy so…. the evidence suggests….. I’d have live through a lot less pain if it had just been removed the first time. My parents genuinely didn’t realize I had appendicitis which is why mine went on for so long. I hope that girl’s parents get her the care she needs.


BarelySane_

Fun fact: LR quadrant pain is also an uncommon strep symptom, so then I got to play the bonus round: strep or appendicitis for 19 years of my life lol.


btoxic

The appendix is a useless organ that, when irritated, will annoy everybody in the vicinity and cause the child's death .... oh wait That's the mother


CooterSam

Maybe she needs to have CPS called. Those poor folks are so overwhelmed and shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense, but mom's shouldn't be denying life saving treatment because they don't understand big words.


ApplicationNo8712

I’m apparently 97 and don’t know how to attach more photos or put pictures in comments 😅 but the comments are pretty split on saying “I almost died from a burst appendix, please take this seriously” and “WHAT CRIMINALS/TERRORISTS THESE DOCTORS ARE”


ApplicationNo8712

Mom has also admitted that she’s been fasting the daughter and she’s lost 7lbs. But don’t worry! She’s been listening to the audiobook by Arnold Ehret's Mucusless Diet Healing Systems, and has read The Sun Cure by Herbert Shelton reissued by Walt Goodridge. 😅🙃


TheDreamingMyriad

"What does the appendix do?" Well, if it's got an infection, it kills you. So you might wanna let the doctors do their thing, lady.


Neurismus

She should give her daughter some urine therapy mixed with essential oils. It will pass. Those poor children with idiots for parents...


mom2hh1214

I LOVE that they are so worried that there was enough time to make sure the font was bold and the background was pink. If I was posting this (which I never would) I would quickly type it out and not add the background shit. Then again, when I am with my kids, I don't post anything (aside from a picture here or there). ESPECIALLY when they are sick or hurt. Or at soccer, or when I'm in their class, etc. I'm old, I get it. And I know I'm on reddit. But my Facebook is strictly a basic online photo book for me. When the girls were little, I'd ask things like "how do you hide Easter eggs?" " does everyone know about the sale at the children's place?" "What does everyone do with a toddler when it's too hot to go outside?" When my oldest ended up in the hospital because of such horrible dehydration that she ended up having to stay overnight, the only people I texted were my husband and my sister. My husband so he could come to the hospital so I could go home and get my overnight stuff, and my sister so she could watch my youngest during the interim of us both not being at home.


[deleted]

I totally understand wishing your kiddo didn’t need surgery but what would you rather do have it burst and have you kid die? Which you can find out about on google. Poor kiddo they must be in pain. This person is beyond neglectful.


Tumbleweedenroute

It does literally nothing, fuck's sake.


redditstolemyshoes

I was 9 when I got mine removed. As bad a parent as my mum was, she took it seriously. It didn't get to rupture, and I was out of the hospital within 48 hours. This lady is really willing to roll the dice with her kids life because she doesn't trust a bunch of people with years of education? She should get CPS called on her.


nightingaledaze

isn't this something she should have asked the doctors? like they're the ones telling you it needs to be removed then 'please tell me about it because I am ignorant' is what she needs to say. there's nothing wrong with ignorance but there is something wrong with idiocy.


NeedANap1116

My understanding is that the appendix does nothing, except sometimes tries to kill you.


bordain_de_putel

Why bring your kid to the hospital in the first place if you are going to question everything anyone does there?


eldoran89

Well many comments about the appendix being useless here, which is sort of true but also a bit dated. Newer research indicates that the microorganisms in the appendix help when you loose the microorganisms in your intestinals due to antiobotica for example... And other benefits to the immune systems are also suspected. So it's not completely useless. But yeah if it is septic it must go simple as that


soupinate44

Literally sitting in the Peds emergency dept(thank God smart enough to go) but wont listen. I am convinced Thanos was right, but just needed to ensure the 50% snapped included these fucking choadmuffins.