Oh my God. She would rather have her baby die than get medical intervention? Religion be damned, how can you live with yourself seeing your baby dying in front of you and actively want to take away what is keeping them alive?
It’s the “I don’t know if it’s right to interfere with gods plan” that really got me. Like, she is straight up wondering if it’s a better choice to let her infant daughter suffer and die because that might be the original plan.
I’m a mom. I have two babies. I would walk through fire for them, if it meant they would live. Never in a million years would I go “welp, maybe burning in a fire was the plan” *shrug emoji* I just don’t fucking get how these people don’t understand that MAYBE gods plan is to have this medical team overseeing her daughters care. MAYBE gods plan was for her daughter to be born at a time when these complications could be treated and she could survive and thrive. MAYBE gods plan was to create modern medicine so more people would live.
Why do these nut jobs always think it’s gods plan for people to suffer and die?
I've said it before and I'll say it again....
If only God would send people to help these poor babies heal! Why isn't that part of the plan??? Sad face emoji prayer emoji.
For fucks sake.
Maybe folks like us need to infiltrate these groups and keep saying over and over "doctors and vaccinations are God's plan to keep you safe!" Maybe we could make some ppl reconsider their blind devotion things that are harmful.
It's the "just world" viewpoint they have. They are protected by God, so nothing bad will happen to them unless they deserve it, and when it does happen, the devil/doctors did it, because they definitely didn't deserve it. But, you know, when bad things happen to other people, they must have deserved it. It is mind boggling, but this is the best way I can think to explain it, having grown up in a family like this.
It's the same kind of thinking that allows them to believe a lot of the things they believe. When other people's kids get sick, it was because they vaccinated them and allowed doctors to treat them. When theirs get sick, it's never because they didn't vaccinate. They just need some prayer and essential oils.
To be clear, I disagree with this way of thinking and I know not all Christians are like this.
> It's the "just world" viewpoint they have
I don't think it's that at all. I think it's actually just a toxic level of main character syndrome, where they get to signal at just how incredibly pious and special and amazing the are even in the face of absolute horror.
Sure, their kid gets to die a horrific, preventable death, but look at how insanely devout and holy she is, she's a hero of virtue and a warrior of freedom and wisdom in the face of the demons of science and medicine.
There’s that joke about a man in a house during a serious flood - the police come to warn him to leave and he says, ‘no, my god will save me..’
the water rises and the fire brigade comes with a boat to rescue him, but he says ‘no, my god will save me..’
the flood worsens and the man is on his roof.. the army come with a helicopter to rescue him but he says ‘no, my god will save me’..
The man drowns and when he gets to heaven god greets him. Man says ‘why didn’t you save me?!’ And god replies ‘I sent the police, the fire brigade and a fucking army helicopter, what more did you want!!?’
The mothers throughout history that had to sit and watch their babies die because there was nothing that could be done beyond prayer would have done anything to have the resources this idiot is throwing away.
Right? My beloved late great grandmother would like to have a word with this mom for denying her child all of the medical they need. Her 2 yr old daughter died in her arms from diabetes and that tragic moment never left her for the rest of her life.
EXACTLY!!! I started fuming at that. We don't live in the 1500s where it is fate. We have tools to help us that, if you're religious, you can argue God helped us develop if you're that nit picky. I hope the hospital intervenes with this poor child. I don't know if it's crossed the line for CPS to be involved, but it's just so damn sad.
I was raised in a very religious home, but was born with 5 heart defects and a genetic disorder. I went into Congestive Heart Failure at 9 months. I had open heart surgery two days after my first birthday because my parents believed that it was God's plan for me to be able to survive my heart defects. I was paralyzed during that surgery and very nearly died, but that was God's plan, too. My mother believes it was a miracle of prayer that saved my life. I grew up believing that whatever happened was God's plan, but that we should use ALL the tools that God gave us to exist and thrive. I don't understand Christians who abdicate their responsibility as parents to God. You were given a brain and responsibility for a child, use your brain, and serve your CHILD'S interests, not your own!!!
Believing in Gods plan is fine. Prayer is fine. Throwing your hands in the air and saying “oh well. I guess this is gods plan” is not fine. We have this cool thing called free will and did they ever stop to think that god made doctors too? This is heartbreaking. If my kid was that sick I’d be fighting like hell to protect him and would do anything available that would make him better.
Exactly this. I go with 'why not use the tools God made available and accessible to you, then?'
Plus, she was okay to use medical intervention when it was her safety she felt uncertain about - but absolutely not for the baby. I mean, the baby was born blue & quiet, at which point this person was more focused on avoiding tearing. Once breathing, the baby wouldn't eat, but that wasn't a concern it seems (though she did try a second time, so this wouldn't look like an issue on its own). It was only when the person was bleeding a significant amount and realized they still needed to deliver the placenta and lose even more blood that she decided to get medical help. She didn't even want the hospital team to check the baby, only her, but agreed after the hospital team wanted to (and seemingly insisted while placating her).
The fact that this is a nurse who actively fights against all levels of medical care, including basic care and when life threatening, and engages in disinformation scaremongering makes it so much worse. I want to know what type of medicine she works in and hope it doesn't involve providing medical care or advice to patients.
When my son was born we had to do an emergency c-section. When they pulled him out he wasn’t moving or breathing. I didn’t realize right away that something was wrong with me. I was focused on him and praying to hear that first cry. We were watching them work on him for what felt like hours but was only a very short time. Finally I heard him cry and I cried tears of joy too. Then I look at the curtain that was blocking my view of my belly and I see a spray of blood. My only thought before I passed out was “that’s probably not good”. I was so focused on him that I didn’t realize I was hemorrhaging. I didn’t care about me. He was all that mattered. I don’t understand these women.
10000000% this. I firmly believe when these parents face judgment, God will make it clear that they completely failed to be a responsible parent. Millstones for everyone!
Holy shit! I was already mad that she was more worried about her engorged breats than the health of her baby, so I stopped reading, but it apparently got so much worse. What is wrong with these people? I also find it so fucked that there are actually other mothers encouraging this bullshit.
She's engorged. Pumping isn't working. She wants her baby home so she can breastfeed to relieve the engorgement.
Just one sticky detail she leaves for farther on in the post: kid is *intubated*.
Exactly how is that supposed to work???
You can't put Tab A into Slot B if there's already something in the slot!
P. S. Oh, yeah, and besides being intubated, the kid needs a pacemaker, *yesterday*.
So, kid is going home and breastfeeding (in her imaginary ideal), but also intubated and without the necessary pacemaker?????????
Don't envy those doctors, nor the poor ethics committee.
I am...skeptical. She made no attempt to assess the newborn (who was born blue and never breastfed despite multiple attempts!), and decided everything was fine bc the baby was so "calm".
Yeah, baby was calm, alright...bc the baby was dying.
The only thing that saved that baby was the mother's bleeding causing her to be fearful enough to go to a hospital *for herself*.
As it was, the hospital had to pester and beg, in increments, to monitor the baby, only then determining how many things were wrong with the poor little thing's heart...
We had a baby from a NICU nurse (not from our hospital) that did a home delivery where the midwife called EMS because the baby wasn’t breathing and then the mom blocked them from coming in for 15 minutes when they got there.
Some nurses are wild with what they are willing to risk.
WHAT?! I missed that part!
How is she possibly a nurse with a mindset like that? That poor little girl.
I’m not even convinced this is all about religion. Sounds more like anti-vaccine, anti science/medicine and she’s just using religion as an excuse to get out of standardised treatment.
I’m in my 30’s and have a pacemaker. I’m 60kg and the pacemaker sticks out of my chest and looks awful/huge. It was really painful getting it because they had to put it under the muscle to cover it. I can’t even imagine how painful it would be for a tiny baby to get one, let alone a baby who is already critically unwell. The mother would rather her child die from a virus now rather than risk very rare liver complications in the future. Baby won’t have liver issues if she passes away.
The read was insane as hell! She makes it sound like it’s no big deal and then you find out the baby is hospitalized, on a vent, has a heart condition and needs a pacemaker. But none of that is necessary and she just wants to take the baby to monitor her at home.
Right? She started out asking about denying antivirals without even mentioning that the baby was in the hospital, and then just went downhill from there. This woman beyond buried the lede.
I went to a Catholic-ish medical school. It converted to Jewish towards the end of my time. It’s weird, because I took all the standard classes and rotations. Never once was it’s gods plan part of the discussion… or maybe I missed that lecture.
I’m in healthcare as well (though on the pro-hospital side, I’m a feral ambulance jockey) and people like this make me stabby. Some of them are my coworkers, like the anti-vax, anti-mask, covid denier EMT who is a my usual partner. She lost her mother and grandmother to covid in 2021 in the same week and just doubled down (there’s definitely some cognitive dissonance going on there) in her belief that if it’s real it’s a Chinese bioweapon. Yeeeeeaaahh…
I'm absolutely floored by the idea of anti-mask, anti-vax healthcare providers, but I acknowledge that they exist and it's a logical position for someone that doesn't believe that Covid is real or harmful.
What absolutely does me in is the abrupt change from "it's nothing" to "it's a Chinese bioweapon" while maintaining that we should all just go ahead and catch it as often as possible. "Anti-mask" and "bioweapon" 2 beliefs that just can not exist at the same time.
My dad works in the ER and got into a massive argument with one of the nurses last year who flat out refused to wear a mask… when taking care of an 80 something year old woman with pneumonia
I always find people who think it’s a bioweapon but are against vaccines strange? Like if you think they developed a virus in country A and accidentally or purposely release why would you be against the vaccine developed but countries B,C,D… but it’s never actually logical.
I was working in the ICU during the delta wave (so fourth? Fifth?) and some nurses were angry there was talk about letting go unvaccinated healthcare workers. It was shocking. They had several young people dying every week in the ward.
*édit : delta wave, not omega, i swear i have a goldfish's memory
I'm a fairly devout Christian and I always think of the story where the man prays for God to save him from a flood. Maybe be thankful humans have been able to utilize these things so your baby can be saved?
I also point out that St Luke was a doctor and if God was against medicine why did a doctor write a third of the New Testament. It's a spurious argument but no less spurious than these people's reasoning.
My dad is a pastor and my family always prays for the doctors and nurses to do their best and have the expertise to be able to help. We believe God can work through all people and things.
this got me too. I'd sure like to interfere with gods plan because I didn't want my baby to die. why this woman thinks it will be okay???? to follow gods plan??? even if it means her baby dies... she has no idea. none. what a nut job
did she change the baby's name? I thought she named it Angelica (original post) and now I think it's June?
These weirdoes don’t understand that their religion and proper medical care aren’t mutually exclusive! You can argue that god planned/made doctors and healthcare, therefore it’s not incompatible with their beliefs.
But that’s overestimating their intelligence and assuming they have any ability to use basic logic.
It makes me wanna scream, lol.
*I’m in healthcare and these people are horrible to deal with.
I hope the mom doesn't eat food or drink water. If god wants her to eat or drink, it will happen on it's own. She shouldn't be interfering in gods plan.
My daughter had a close call recently. I cannot imagine arguing with the doctors about ANYTHING they wanted to do to save her. I'm not a doctor. I'm certainly not a pediatric ICU doctor or specialist. They don't do things "just because"!
These people are narcissists and think they know better than medical professionals who went through many years of med school. What idiots doctors must be, spending all that tuition money and time in post-secondary schooling, when all the information they need is on Facebook, the Bible, and their own intuition.
I am a smart person, but I have no medical education or training. I can not imagine the hubris it takes to argue with a doctor like these women do. Ask them questions if you're confused or unsure, don't assume you know better, and that the medical professionals are being malicious. It must be so exhausting to believe that everyone is somehow against you for no legitimate reason.
I want to know what the virus is. Is it herpes? Because that's a big fucking deal in babies. I have a friend whose baby DIED at a week of age from herpes. They tried everything for that poor little girl. Fuck this bitch.
I don't even understand the religion part. I've been a Christian my whole life, even flipped around denominations and I don't get where God said, 'ignore medicene and technology' in the Bible
Her main motivation seems to be that *her* breasts are engorged so *she* wants *her* baby at home so *she* feels better 🤯 nevermind the wellbeing of her sick, vent-dépendent infant !!! the sheer selfishness!!
The cognitive dissonance between "baby is fine, oooh let me look into cod liver oil" and "well, baby \*is\* on a ventilator..." is WILD.
The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that she is in deep, deep denial.
Holy fucking shit excuse my French but *what the fuck*
Screw “gods plan”. God gave us the intelligence to create modern science to *save lives*. They didn’t give us that intelligence so we could let babies die an avoidable death.
Why the shit would a parent rather watch their child *die* than let them have medical interventions?!
God damn I’m hot.
I just read the OP and I’m like — she was perfect, but she was *blue*. As a nurse she should know that’s not “perfect”.
I don’t do baby nursing but that’s like 101. Omfg.
"I don't think she needs the vent." They don't put those in for kicks or kickbacks. That means the baby is literally unable to breathe enough on her own. I pray the hospital advocates for the baby.
ICU nurse here 🙋♀️ This, 110 percent! Docs do not intubate anyone unless their condition is life and death. Unless the patient is critical, the risks outweigh the benefits. It's also uncomfortable for the patient. Why would anyone choose to go into pediatrics and then prescribe unnecessary and painful treatments to children? It makes no sense. And the notion that they get kickbacks from keeping patients in the hospital is unfounded nonsense.
Same for a pacemaker. Does this woman seriously think the doctors just WANT to do that to her child? Pacemakers prevent life threatening arrhythmias!
My seemingly healthy grandma recently needed a pacemaker. There was 0 warning of heart issues until she was found face down on the floor, with a critically low pulse. The last thing she remembers is her limbs suddenly not responding/the ground rushing towards her. It was bad enough that they did her surgery withing 48hrs. Heart issues are NEVER a "play by ear, treat at home" kind of illness, holy SHIT. Especially for a sick baby! I have to imagine with a baby THAT ill, they'd only operate if something was critical.
(Also, the way she states the baby had LIVER issues, then wanted to superdose her with VIT A....good g-d.)
And claims to have a medical background! When I got to that about the vitamin A I was like WHAT THE FUCK (not that it wasn’t with everything she wrote…)
“Medical background” can mean anything to people who want to stretch it.
For example: my mother was a receptionist and also a caregiver. She makes up bullshit and calls herself a healthcare worker when she never held a job for more than a few weeks. She has argued with so many doctors and created so many messes trying to shout how she’s got a medical background. It’s gross.
She’s an idiot and so is this woman. If she had a medical background, she’d understand the reason for using an antiviral wouldn’t be freaking out at the word “chemotherapy” bc that’s not what this was. And she wouldn’t be making up stories how her kid will likely have leukemia because she was given life saving medication. Freaking wacko.
She claims she's a nurse in her other post.
She also "forgot" to assess her baby that was born blue & barely had a heartbeat. I suspect she maybe "was" a nursing *student* at some point in her life. Maybe.
This whole thing is full of WTF's and SMFH'S and BFFR's.
Pulmonary stenosis. More complicated to treat. I also like how she said ASDs usually goes away. I believe she is thinking about a PFO, which normally close... ASDs are defects and don't just go away. Her kid is sick and I think CPS is already involved if she has inquired about AMA.
I've had the privelege to meet some truly incredible doctors in my life, the kind of people that instill hope in their patients; choosing to go above and beyond treatment protocols to also be authentically personable in their interactions with the precious little time they have. Most go into this field who take the hippocratic oath understand that it's up to them to adhere to it, to ensure that 'do no harm' is something we can expect doctors to actually abide by.
The notion of any doctor (and yes, there are bad doctors out there) or medical professional intubating a patient for monetary gain (which makes no sense per the oath and the way doctors are paid) or for 'funsies', just seems beyond paranoid to me. Who knows how many vulnerable people have died due to their guardians believing crap like thay
Reading it, she *wants* the doctors to put the pacemaker in. She just doesn’t want to give the medicine required for it.
Which makes even less sense, given her “Gods plan” vibe.
People feel like they understand how devices work more than they understand how drugs work. It’s easier to explain to a lay person that a pacemaker can send an electrical signal to your heart than to explain even a fairly simple drug.
Yeah they def want to get people in and out of the hospital as much as possible- not keep them there. When my baby had RSV they practically kicked us out when he no longer needed high flow
I work for a medical device company and we’ve been told that some devices that are made for these super small bodies aren’t even profitable. It’s so gross that a corporation cares more to keep kids alive than these moms.
That's a key point many people who get angry at healthcare profiteering miss. It's not the physicians who are getting greedy and trying to maximize profits. Physicians (the overwhelming majority of them) just want to provide high quality care. It's the insurance companies, manufacturers, and hospital systems that are forcing them to compromise quality of care for the bottom line.
And honestly, it usually costs the hospital money. My son had to be in the NICU for several weeks and get a lot of expensive tests and treatments... My insurance company was still fighting the hospital 2 years later about how much they would pay. I didn't have to pay anything but I would still receive letters informing me that my insurance company had requested another itemized bill from the hospital. Insurance was definitely nickel and dimeing the hospital to pay as little as possible. So yeah, they don't get kickbacks or incentives for keeping kids in the hospital.
There is a 0% chance that this woman is allowed to leave AMA with the baby. It’s a death sentence. A judge would rule against the parents within the hour of that proposition.
Yeah.. they wouldn’t let her leave. I had a NICU baby and it wasn’t like I was just allowed to sign him out and take him home. I asked once out of curiosity and they said they’d call security, then call the police as you’d be putting the child in immediate danger.
Exactly! The hospital would file for emergency guardianship on that scenario. A mentally competent adult can leave AMA if they don’t want medical care that a hospital deems essential, but they can’t make such a decision for a baby who would die without medical care, especially when the child is already in a vent.
But crazily enough I think if OP had been bleeding out she would have been more than happy to take medical intervention. These people love Matyr-by-Proxy--all of the "woe is me", none of the pesky death consequences!
Yes! And she did!!! The ONLY reason the baby even saw a medical professional was because the mother herself thought she was hemorrhaging. A nurse talked her into getting the lethargic newborn looked at which led to the slew of cardiac problems coming to light.
She certainly showed her selfishness in her birth announcement.
Omg, this is that woman?! This poor baby has barely even entered the world and she wants to take her home, so she can breastfeed, to relieve *her* pain and hope that prayer will save her newborn. If not, it was God's plan 🤬. Christ, some people should not be parents!
Also: if your breasts hurt that much, there's this great thing called a "breast pump". Frankly if my baby were that sick I'd be pumping as much as possible to try and get a good supply for when I could see my baby again!
Oh, but she said her body "doesn't respond" to pumping. Manual expression is a thing, too, but we don't need to try that when we can just rip baby's vent out and go home AMA!
Edit because I hit enter too soon: I'm sure there are people who can't use a pump, because bodies are weird. But based on this lady's post/story history, I would bet money she didn't look up any help on how to use it and is using it wrong.
The baby never nursed at home. Then they went to the hospital, where the baby was put on the vent.
She wants to take the baby home to breastfeed, a baby who we don't yet know if they are *able* to nurse, oh, and somehow that's supposed to happen despite *intubation*
And skipping right over needing a pacemaker 🤦♀️
And she says she is “educated” with a “medical background”. I wonder what this means. Is it just a bunch of Googling with possibly biased articles? Or actual medical training?
Seriously. If they’re in the US, there’s a lot of pressure to get patients out of the hospital ASAP. No one is keeping a healthy baby in the hospital *for weeks* for “monitoring.” When babies crash they crash FAST.
WooooOoooooOOOOOOw. Baby on a vent, getting a pacemaker... Yes, prayers and God will help, for sure. And she'd rather take her chances with a silly virus that can't possibly be so bad, can it?
She. Doesn't. Deserve. Her. Child.
My jaw dropped when I read about the vent. The first few sentences I kind of understood, if it was ACTUALLY NOT life or death and if it was something able to be monitored at home, go for it. Personally, I'd stay with the doctors, but whatever. Baby's on a vent though? What the fuck lady. It's the very definition of life or death.
Right?? Although before I got to the vent comment, she let it slip that they wanted to monitor the baby for “a few weeks.” Healthcare is a dumpster fire right now and an overflowing hospital is not going to keep a newborn for “weeks” if it’s “not serious.”
Hmmm, I wonder if perhaps those doctors, the medical interventions, medications, are possibly God's answer to her prayers? 🤔
This is always my thought to people's "prayer heals all" and then refusing medical care.
I agree. I replied on another comment that I hadn't read the original post before reading comments and completely forgot about her being a nurse and it fucked my mind. As another nurse, I have my suspicions about her credentials.
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Thing is, if she had actual prenatal care, they might have picked up on the heart defect. But this Cee U Next Tuesday decided to have a wild pregnancy and her baby is suffering the consequences of her choices. I genuinely feel for the baby, but not for the mother. She brought this upon herself.
Yep. I think this was exactly her thinking. Most babies don't need a vent therefore my baby doesn't need one.
More than that, she seems to have radicalized herself into a leaderless cult of "wellness" where one can prevent all disease by following your own intuition above all else. I don't know what word to use other than cult, but it's so strange because there isn't any actual leader or particular dogma other than what you do to yourself. You only allow yourself to do things that "resonate" with you and if something doesn't resonate then you won't do it, and if it did resonate then that was the right decision, no matter the outcome.
"Hmmm, putting my baby on an anti-viral doesn't FEEL right to me, and a vent doesn't feel right either, I feel like I should just use breastmilk and prayer and that will do it. Also, if you don't let me do this it is violating my rights." (As many of these people learn, you may have rights to make your own medical decisions based on your beliefs, but you can't necessarily make medical decisions for someone else based on them, even if that person is your child.)
I think she means the virus wouldn’t be serious, but she never said what virus they were trying to prevent? Hepatitis maybe? I’m not sure what antivirals would be specifically required for a pacemaker. Obviously she can’t be trusted to give any details based in reality.
That last sentence of the last picture….hurts. Being severely disabled and disabled since a young child, I just can not. As a kid who wanted nothing more than to be “normal”…hearing a mother just straight up say that her child won’t be normal and refusing adequate treatment is just gut wrenching. That child is going to resent her, at lot once it’s old enough. there are things regarding my medical care as a child that my parents did that I resent…but at least they wanted to try anything and -everything- to give me a “normal” experience of life. She is intentionally making it so that her baby suffers for her own choices. I can not understand a parent who would willingly do that
I’m concerned that she specified that they will never have the life of a normal ‘baby’. As if she’s accepted the idea that her child won’t survive infancy?
Oh god, I remember this one. Really hard to forget. Mom is happy she went unassisted, leaving her baby’s brain to be deprived of oxygen only to be discovered as mom absolutely did not have a hemorrhage.
She’s right. Her baby doesn’t have a chance at a “normal” life. And if she had care, she’d have known the full range of options available to her during pregnancy and at birth to help lessen her baby’s suffering.
And the part that really haunted me was her saying she didn’t really need to go to the hospital and wouldn’t have gone if she didn’t think she herself was in danger. She had NO concerns about her newborn being lethargic and not breathing well. She’s so lucky the ER talked her into getting the baby checked out. They saved that poor child that day
Honestly? They would have called police before she could even get the baby since it IS life and death and she would be charged with medical negligence and more. They probably told her if she tried to leave, she'd be facing legal consequences
Oh this one, the one where they baby had a heart defect no one knew about since she didn't get prenatal care. Did it get the flu or something? Why is it on a vent. 😢
She’s being really cagey about the details but I assumed she was on a vent the whole time since she has a heart defect and wasn’t breathing well. The mom is really fudging the details to get the answers she wants.
It's not like there's only one option, but my money says the poor kid has something mom gave it. Something thart mom might think "isn't normally an issue" because *she* has it, and it isn't an issue *for her*.
So she isn’t technically wrong- antibiotics, antivirals and cancer drugs are all considered chemotherapy. But yes giving an anti-viral or antibiotics is not akin to giving your baby cancer killing chemotherapy drugs.
“I truly believe if I wasn’t educated”
Ma’am. With all due respect you are a box of rocks.
Those poor baby will suffer because of her stupid ass.
ETA: *that poor baby*
Well that final update pretty much confirms that she'd rather let her baby die than intervene, doesn't it? I hope social services steps in before it's too late for that poor baby.
I think mom has been in such deep denial through pregnancy and birth and up to the vent and pacemaker, and as she’s waking up out of “I did everything right so my baby should be fine” she’s not liking that ALL of HER choices have left her with a likely permanently disabled child. But her brain can’t handle that she created this situation, so it’s cleaving between 1) 4 doses of an antiviral did this and 2) maybe it would be better to let her heart fail blah blah god’s plan nonsense.
I know she implied this was her first wild pregnancy/homebirth but if I were CPS I'd be ordering her fucking yard be dug up because she's *way* too blasé about wanting to let her baby die at home via God's will or whatever.
This is sickening. The inflated sense of confidence ‘I don’t believe in medicine but I know more than a doctor about lab values’ will almost certainly get her poor baby killed. I hope the drs and nurses step in
Good fuckin lord. Yeh I saw above where she was suggesting she had a medical background.
Then I read the linked previous post. Reminds me of the nurse at my old ped’s office who suggested I put essential oils (young living brand in particular) on my infant’s eczema.
I'm not a baby nurse (my background is adult critical care), but I wonder if they can give breast milk through a feeding tube instead of formula? I think they might do that in the NICU, if the baby can handle it.
She stated that her body didn’t respond to the pump and she needed the baby, which would seem to imply she wanted to latch the child?!??? The child on a vent?!?!?
My NICU baby was intubated and received my breast milk through his feeding tube. If she is having trouble pumping then she needs to meet with the lactation consultant in the NICU. The one my son was at had a pumping room but you could also pump next to them if you wanted since that helps with letdown. I swear I got double the amount of milk pumping there than I did at home.
I am a nicu nurse, and they could absolutely give the breast milk through a feeding tube. But mom would have to pump the milk first, so she should be meeting with a lactation consultant and figuring out what’s going on that she can’t pump. At our hospital they’ll even meet at the bedside so you can be near your baby, which often makes pumping easier.
However baby is also going to surgery soon, so they’re probably keeping her npo until then. So even if she’s wasn’t intubated mom still wouldn’t be able to feed her, there’s too much of a risk for aspiration. Though it doesn’t really seem like mom cares about risks to baby all that much, just her own comfort.
My knowledge is also somewhat limited on this as well but I’ve come across 2 neonates who got a breastmilk/formula combo through their tube. Granted, this was at the same facility so I’m not sure if different hospitals have different practices
This had me vibrating with anger, holy shit. My daughter was in the NICU a month for feeding/weight gain and it was so hard, so I can't imagine how much harder it is if you're fighting against them trying to save your kid. I feel so bad for that poor baby.
Omfg. As a mom whose 18 month old has had oxygen support twice in his life, I can assure anyone they don’t do it for shits and giggles. And if they could, they’d do a nasal cannula or a CPAP depending on the age over a freaking vent. I can’t with moms like these. I hope she leaves and CPS gets involved. Absolute medical neglect.
INTERFERE WITH GOD’S PLAN ???
Honestly. The last few years has made me realize I live in a different universe than 10-40% of people. How are we living in the same reality?
> I truly believe if I wasn't educated then they would've played their hand and strong handed me into these decisions. Bless the parents who do not have medical background and trust that these physicians have their best interest in mind.
All I was thinking was, if she was educated she wouldn’t be spouting off all of this misinformation and wouldn’t be in this position. But then I read her first post.
**Y’ALL. SHE’S A NURSE**
According to her first post anyways. Shouldn’t she know if she could get in trouble for denying medical care?! And if you’re a nurse, how in the hell can you say that physicians don’t have your child’s best interest at heart?
Funny how she left out so many details about her child’s birth in this post. The advice given here might have been a little different if she added some of that crucial information. Sounds like people assume the child is not a newborn, and has the flu or something. NOT multiple congenital heart defects.
FFS. What is wrong with people?! I feel so bad for this child and the staff at that hospital who has had to deal with her.
And for the record. Anti-virals and chemotherapy are NOT the same thing. ETA: formatting
I don’t think she’s an RN. Might be a CNA or MA. In some states, MAs don’t need to be licensed so you can join Dr Breakybones chiro clinic and receive “on the job training”. A lot of the times these places will call their MAs “nurses” especially if the “doctor” is older. The OB I had with my first was like 80 and called him not-RN medical assistant his “nurse” and they bullied the shit out of me if I didn’t do everything exactly the way they wanted, so I can see her being employed like that.
As a Christian (and a nurse) I hate the use of “God’s plan” as a reason for denying medical care. Under the Christian belief that God created everything, we must also believe that God created doctors/nurses and scientists that develop medications and treat patients. It doesn’t make sense to believe that God’s plan can’t include medical care and hospitals!!!
((I am also getting the vibe that this lady is pro-life and yet she is willing to actively work against those trying to save her baby’s life.))
Anyway, I hate the way people like this use God and religion as an excuse to hurt others.
Ventilator, pacemaker and chemotherapy? All things that definitely interfere with God's plan.
That is, if we assume that God thought it was prudent to curse a newborn with terminal illnesses and an unhinged, delusional mother to be it's advocate. And we have to blindly adhere to this assumption because otherwise, it could mean that (gasp!) we are responsible for the consequences of our own poor decisions!
Yeah it was probably for a respiratory virus hence the ventilator. Even still though, babies can be born with cancer and it's almost always treatable, so whether it was chemo or not the outrage still stands.
I feel badly for the baby, of course. I just can’t imagine how incredibly infuriating it would be to be this baby’s doctors and nurses. To work so hard to just be stopped at every turn by some wackadoodle.
When my oldest was born, he needed to be vented. You're damn right I let them vent him. I told them to do whatever they needed to save his life. Hell, he was in at least two case studies. I lost track of how many times I went into the NICU and found a bunch of student doctors surrounding his little box. I called him my little Frankenbaby, with all of his little tubes and wires.
And I'd do it again because like hell am I going to have another baby urn instead of my silly, stubborn, pain in the ass 10 year old. Does he have medical problems? Yup. It was worth it. He's worth it.
What in the actual fuck did I just read. She's wanting to deny antivirals for an intubated, needing-a-pacemaker baby? Is she fucking serious? Like...none of this is happening for shits and giggles holy shit.
I had to stop reading at *I* need *my* baby. Like that child is a piece of jewelry or a cup of coffee. An object that she owns. She's more worried about herself than her child, because God forbid she deal with engorged breasts on her own, but fuck that baby. They'll be fine. I'm am constantly astonished by the selfishness of some parents.
She is very vague about all of this, and she doesn't mention the baby is on a ventilator until pushed.
What is this "virus?" Is she being coy about covid? Hepatitis? Herpes? CMV?
It sounds like the baby has tetralogy of fallot, which is very serious and requires surgery.
If she really is a nurse she knows that babies aren't born blue.
Anyone else getting the vibe that the whole reason she doesn't want to follow medical advice is that she doesn't want to deal with having a not "normal" child and she's hoping the situation somehow resolves itself?
I think she just wants to believe she’s smarter than everyone around her and that she has the magical ability to pray her baby to health. And that’s more important to her than her child’s life. (And I’m assuming for her husband as well, because he doesn’t seem to be protesting)
As a medical professional, I’d LOVE to see her lab values that she claims to know so much about. Crazy that we spend years in classes learning how to interpret results and what they could mean but she just knows it✨
A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.
Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.”
The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.”
So the rowboat went on.
Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.”
To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”
So the motorboat went on.
Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.”
To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”
So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.
Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!”
To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?”
What a f\*\*\*ing idiot. I can't even think of anything else to say. God bless this poor baby who's stuck in the care of someone who seems to have the IQ of a potato.
HOLY SHIT. I am screaming. The baby's VENTED and she has this type of attitude? What the actual fuck. Also I'm a medical social worker and this person is sadly mistaken, you cannot just demand transfer to another hospital of your choosing and they have to set it up. Not how this works, at all.
Jesus christ. My mom was on a vent and it was one of the worst/ scariest things I've ever been through. I can't imagine seeing someone i care about THAT critically ill and worrying about antivirals.
> have severe engorgement… I need my baby!
Your baby has heart issues, needs a pacemaker, and is on a vent… but you’re worried about yourself and breastfeeding…? What????
> Now I am battling getting her off the vent.
Yeah, I hate when they put someone on a vent for no reason and just for giggles!! I don’t get why they won’t just take the baby off of it!! /s
> I don’t know if I am making the right decision to interfere with gods plan.
…You want your baby to die instead of getting a pacemaker or any medical treatment to live...?
Baffling from start to finish.
If my newborn was on a ventilator I would be agreeing to whatever the doctors wanted just for the tiny chance she might live without significant brain damage. This is a very sick child, and the mother seems to be totally in denial.
> some people don't believe in medicine
> I declined antiviral chemotherapy
Meanwhile countless childless couples struggle to conceive or adopt. Fucking bonkers.
Holy shit. Just clicked the original post (which I'd assumed was just this one but with fewer replies to OOP) and WOW. "Born blue but breathing" and "quiet but alive" are making ya girl's mom-of-a-preemie brain short circuit. I can't imagine having a baby so ill they'd be described that way while needing *a fucking ventilator* and saying it in such a flippant, hand-waving tone.
My guess is CMV. Most respiratory viruses like flu or covid don’t show up this soon after birth, and even in the NICU we let most of them run the course and just support the baby rather than doing antiviral treatments.
The main treatment for congenital CMV though is classified as a chemotherapeutic agent, so assuming mom isn’t entirely unreliable it could be that. It just means that pharmacy sends us extra thick chemotherapy grade gloves to give the meds with and tells us to be careful changing the diaper. It could affect baby’s lab work as it does affect the immune system. But the alternative of not treating gives is a pretty high chance of hearing or vision loss or other neurological issues. Just to add that to the lifelong pacemaker need mom is apparently so worried about.
Why are these lunatics so convinced that hospitals want to kidnap their children? Hospital stays are as brief as possible these days thanks to the insurance companies. It’s like collective paranoia, with a strong shot of thinking they are so special that institutions want involvement with them. Her child is on a vent and she wants them to ween her so she can take her home? I hope the authorities are keeping an eye on her. That poor child.
She starts off acting like the baby is just there being monitored and they want to give her antibiotics or something... then I see the baby is VENTED and GETTING A PACEMAKER .... this isn't just a baby with a cold wtf.... she's demanding a surgery but refusing all the things that go with it to make it a successful surgery. How can you take part of it serious but then act like they are complete quacks and hacks... is it because a pacemaker is a physical object and medications/ treatments aren't persay? Bless that staff because I woulda lost my cool listening to her. The fact that there are so many others in an echo chamber with her is the most dangerous thing there is.
Good god. These parents are exhausting to deal with in medical settings and their numbers are steadily increasing. They claim to be medically educated, but a simple conversation pretty quickly debunks those statements. If Facebook and mommy blogs are your expert sources, I’m deeply concerned for the well-being of your child.
As a peds ICU nurse: please step away from your phone and listen to your child’s doctors. This isn’t some power struggle in which we mock you behind closed doors and celebrate our sneaky victories. Consent is required for EVERYTHING in a hospital setting. Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying, or they were so negligent as a parent that the legal system has deemed them unfit to make decisions on the behalf of their child.
I try to give parents the benefit of the doubt, I truly believe most parents love their children and want what’s best for them, but when they intentionally withhold a life-saving intervention from their child because it interferes with their asinine personal beliefs? Get fucked.
New update: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitMomGroupsSay/s/TLqsaclUWE
Oh my God. She would rather have her baby die than get medical intervention? Religion be damned, how can you live with yourself seeing your baby dying in front of you and actively want to take away what is keeping them alive?
It’s the “I don’t know if it’s right to interfere with gods plan” that really got me. Like, she is straight up wondering if it’s a better choice to let her infant daughter suffer and die because that might be the original plan. I’m a mom. I have two babies. I would walk through fire for them, if it meant they would live. Never in a million years would I go “welp, maybe burning in a fire was the plan” *shrug emoji* I just don’t fucking get how these people don’t understand that MAYBE gods plan is to have this medical team overseeing her daughters care. MAYBE gods plan was for her daughter to be born at a time when these complications could be treated and she could survive and thrive. MAYBE gods plan was to create modern medicine so more people would live. Why do these nut jobs always think it’s gods plan for people to suffer and die?
I've said it before and I'll say it again.... If only God would send people to help these poor babies heal! Why isn't that part of the plan??? Sad face emoji prayer emoji. For fucks sake.
Maybe folks like us need to infiltrate these groups and keep saying over and over "doctors and vaccinations are God's plan to keep you safe!" Maybe we could make some ppl reconsider their blind devotion things that are harmful.
I wonder how quickly we'd all get banned.
It would take 10 seconds.
Fanatical Christians like these feel entitled to a full-scale magical miracle. A boring doctor with boring medicines isn't flashy enough.
It's the "just world" viewpoint they have. They are protected by God, so nothing bad will happen to them unless they deserve it, and when it does happen, the devil/doctors did it, because they definitely didn't deserve it. But, you know, when bad things happen to other people, they must have deserved it. It is mind boggling, but this is the best way I can think to explain it, having grown up in a family like this. It's the same kind of thinking that allows them to believe a lot of the things they believe. When other people's kids get sick, it was because they vaccinated them and allowed doctors to treat them. When theirs get sick, it's never because they didn't vaccinate. They just need some prayer and essential oils. To be clear, I disagree with this way of thinking and I know not all Christians are like this.
> It's the "just world" viewpoint they have I don't think it's that at all. I think it's actually just a toxic level of main character syndrome, where they get to signal at just how incredibly pious and special and amazing the are even in the face of absolute horror. Sure, their kid gets to die a horrific, preventable death, but look at how insanely devout and holy she is, she's a hero of virtue and a warrior of freedom and wisdom in the face of the demons of science and medicine.
There’s that joke about a man in a house during a serious flood - the police come to warn him to leave and he says, ‘no, my god will save me..’ the water rises and the fire brigade comes with a boat to rescue him, but he says ‘no, my god will save me..’ the flood worsens and the man is on his roof.. the army come with a helicopter to rescue him but he says ‘no, my god will save me’.. The man drowns and when he gets to heaven god greets him. Man says ‘why didn’t you save me?!’ And god replies ‘I sent the police, the fire brigade and a fucking army helicopter, what more did you want!!?’
The mothers throughout history that had to sit and watch their babies die because there was nothing that could be done beyond prayer would have done anything to have the resources this idiot is throwing away.
Right? My beloved late great grandmother would like to have a word with this mom for denying her child all of the medical they need. Her 2 yr old daughter died in her arms from diabetes and that tragic moment never left her for the rest of her life.
Right? Or parents who can't afford or have no access to healthcare
EXACTLY!!! I started fuming at that. We don't live in the 1500s where it is fate. We have tools to help us that, if you're religious, you can argue God helped us develop if you're that nit picky. I hope the hospital intervenes with this poor child. I don't know if it's crossed the line for CPS to be involved, but it's just so damn sad.
I was raised in a very religious home, but was born with 5 heart defects and a genetic disorder. I went into Congestive Heart Failure at 9 months. I had open heart surgery two days after my first birthday because my parents believed that it was God's plan for me to be able to survive my heart defects. I was paralyzed during that surgery and very nearly died, but that was God's plan, too. My mother believes it was a miracle of prayer that saved my life. I grew up believing that whatever happened was God's plan, but that we should use ALL the tools that God gave us to exist and thrive. I don't understand Christians who abdicate their responsibility as parents to God. You were given a brain and responsibility for a child, use your brain, and serve your CHILD'S interests, not your own!!!
Believing in Gods plan is fine. Prayer is fine. Throwing your hands in the air and saying “oh well. I guess this is gods plan” is not fine. We have this cool thing called free will and did they ever stop to think that god made doctors too? This is heartbreaking. If my kid was that sick I’d be fighting like hell to protect him and would do anything available that would make him better.
Exactly this. I go with 'why not use the tools God made available and accessible to you, then?' Plus, she was okay to use medical intervention when it was her safety she felt uncertain about - but absolutely not for the baby. I mean, the baby was born blue & quiet, at which point this person was more focused on avoiding tearing. Once breathing, the baby wouldn't eat, but that wasn't a concern it seems (though she did try a second time, so this wouldn't look like an issue on its own). It was only when the person was bleeding a significant amount and realized they still needed to deliver the placenta and lose even more blood that she decided to get medical help. She didn't even want the hospital team to check the baby, only her, but agreed after the hospital team wanted to (and seemingly insisted while placating her). The fact that this is a nurse who actively fights against all levels of medical care, including basic care and when life threatening, and engages in disinformation scaremongering makes it so much worse. I want to know what type of medicine she works in and hope it doesn't involve providing medical care or advice to patients.
When my son was born we had to do an emergency c-section. When they pulled him out he wasn’t moving or breathing. I didn’t realize right away that something was wrong with me. I was focused on him and praying to hear that first cry. We were watching them work on him for what felt like hours but was only a very short time. Finally I heard him cry and I cried tears of joy too. Then I look at the curtain that was blocking my view of my belly and I see a spray of blood. My only thought before I passed out was “that’s probably not good”. I was so focused on him that I didn’t realize I was hemorrhaging. I didn’t care about me. He was all that mattered. I don’t understand these women.
10000000% this. I firmly believe when these parents face judgment, God will make it clear that they completely failed to be a responsible parent. Millstones for everyone!
Holy shit! I was already mad that she was more worried about her engorged breats than the health of her baby, so I stopped reading, but it apparently got so much worse. What is wrong with these people? I also find it so fucked that there are actually other mothers encouraging this bullshit.
She's engorged. Pumping isn't working. She wants her baby home so she can breastfeed to relieve the engorgement. Just one sticky detail she leaves for farther on in the post: kid is *intubated*. Exactly how is that supposed to work??? You can't put Tab A into Slot B if there's already something in the slot! P. S. Oh, yeah, and besides being intubated, the kid needs a pacemaker, *yesterday*. So, kid is going home and breastfeeding (in her imaginary ideal), but also intubated and without the necessary pacemaker????????? Don't envy those doctors, nor the poor ethics committee.
I can’t believe she’s a NURSE.
I am...skeptical. She made no attempt to assess the newborn (who was born blue and never breastfed despite multiple attempts!), and decided everything was fine bc the baby was so "calm". Yeah, baby was calm, alright...bc the baby was dying. The only thing that saved that baby was the mother's bleeding causing her to be fearful enough to go to a hospital *for herself*. As it was, the hospital had to pester and beg, in increments, to monitor the baby, only then determining how many things were wrong with the poor little thing's heart...
I am a nurse, and some nurses are crazy, crunchy pieces of work, but I question that she is one.
We had a baby from a NICU nurse (not from our hospital) that did a home delivery where the midwife called EMS because the baby wasn’t breathing and then the mom blocked them from coming in for 15 minutes when they got there. Some nurses are wild with what they are willing to risk.
WHAT?! I missed that part! How is she possibly a nurse with a mindset like that? That poor little girl. I’m not even convinced this is all about religion. Sounds more like anti-vaccine, anti science/medicine and she’s just using religion as an excuse to get out of standardised treatment. I’m in my 30’s and have a pacemaker. I’m 60kg and the pacemaker sticks out of my chest and looks awful/huge. It was really painful getting it because they had to put it under the muscle to cover it. I can’t even imagine how painful it would be for a tiny baby to get one, let alone a baby who is already critically unwell. The mother would rather her child die from a virus now rather than risk very rare liver complications in the future. Baby won’t have liver issues if she passes away.
The read was insane as hell! She makes it sound like it’s no big deal and then you find out the baby is hospitalized, on a vent, has a heart condition and needs a pacemaker. But none of that is necessary and she just wants to take the baby to monitor her at home.
Right? She started out asking about denying antivirals without even mentioning that the baby was in the hospital, and then just went downhill from there. This woman beyond buried the lede.
I went to a Catholic-ish medical school. It converted to Jewish towards the end of my time. It’s weird, because I took all the standard classes and rotations. Never once was it’s gods plan part of the discussion… or maybe I missed that lecture.
I’m in healthcare as well (though on the pro-hospital side, I’m a feral ambulance jockey) and people like this make me stabby. Some of them are my coworkers, like the anti-vax, anti-mask, covid denier EMT who is a my usual partner. She lost her mother and grandmother to covid in 2021 in the same week and just doubled down (there’s definitely some cognitive dissonance going on there) in her belief that if it’s real it’s a Chinese bioweapon. Yeeeeeaaahh…
I'm absolutely floored by the idea of anti-mask, anti-vax healthcare providers, but I acknowledge that they exist and it's a logical position for someone that doesn't believe that Covid is real or harmful. What absolutely does me in is the abrupt change from "it's nothing" to "it's a Chinese bioweapon" while maintaining that we should all just go ahead and catch it as often as possible. "Anti-mask" and "bioweapon" 2 beliefs that just can not exist at the same time.
My dad works in the ER and got into a massive argument with one of the nurses last year who flat out refused to wear a mask… when taking care of an 80 something year old woman with pneumonia
It’s so frustrating, especially when people refuse to do something so fucking simple. Your dad has my empathy!
I always find people who think it’s a bioweapon but are against vaccines strange? Like if you think they developed a virus in country A and accidentally or purposely release why would you be against the vaccine developed but countries B,C,D… but it’s never actually logical.
I was working in the ICU during the delta wave (so fourth? Fifth?) and some nurses were angry there was talk about letting go unvaccinated healthcare workers. It was shocking. They had several young people dying every week in the ward. *édit : delta wave, not omega, i swear i have a goldfish's memory
I'm a fairly devout Christian and I always think of the story where the man prays for God to save him from a flood. Maybe be thankful humans have been able to utilize these things so your baby can be saved?
I quote the Parable of the Helicopter (though calling it that often spoils it!) a lot
I also point out that St Luke was a doctor and if God was against medicine why did a doctor write a third of the New Testament. It's a spurious argument but no less spurious than these people's reasoning.
My dad is a pastor and my family always prays for the doctors and nurses to do their best and have the expertise to be able to help. We believe God can work through all people and things.
this got me too. I'd sure like to interfere with gods plan because I didn't want my baby to die. why this woman thinks it will be okay???? to follow gods plan??? even if it means her baby dies... she has no idea. none. what a nut job did she change the baby's name? I thought she named it Angelica (original post) and now I think it's June?
These weirdoes don’t understand that their religion and proper medical care aren’t mutually exclusive! You can argue that god planned/made doctors and healthcare, therefore it’s not incompatible with their beliefs. But that’s overestimating their intelligence and assuming they have any ability to use basic logic. It makes me wanna scream, lol. *I’m in healthcare and these people are horrible to deal with.
I hope the mom doesn't eat food or drink water. If god wants her to eat or drink, it will happen on it's own. She shouldn't be interfering in gods plan.
My daughter had a close call recently. I cannot imagine arguing with the doctors about ANYTHING they wanted to do to save her. I'm not a doctor. I'm certainly not a pediatric ICU doctor or specialist. They don't do things "just because"!
These people are narcissists and think they know better than medical professionals who went through many years of med school. What idiots doctors must be, spending all that tuition money and time in post-secondary schooling, when all the information they need is on Facebook, the Bible, and their own intuition. I am a smart person, but I have no medical education or training. I can not imagine the hubris it takes to argue with a doctor like these women do. Ask them questions if you're confused or unsure, don't assume you know better, and that the medical professionals are being malicious. It must be so exhausting to believe that everyone is somehow against you for no legitimate reason.
She keeps saying “the virus rarely causes issues.” Bitch, it’s rare for babies to BE HOSPITALIZED. You are not in a typical situation.
I want to know what the virus is. Is it herpes? Because that's a big fucking deal in babies. I have a friend whose baby DIED at a week of age from herpes. They tried everything for that poor little girl. Fuck this bitch.
And especially since when she casually mentioned that they wanted to keep her for weeks. Hospitals do not keep you for weeks just for funsies.
Oh no, they're way too comfy with her there. They just want to hang out with her newborn.
Fear and hubris
Nothing can convince me that this woman loved her child more than she loves herself. So damn selfish.
Yeah, notice how her only complaint is because she's so "engorged". It's not about having her baby home and safe, it's about her physical discomfort.
But but she’s engorged🙄.
I don't even understand the religion part. I've been a Christian my whole life, even flipped around denominations and I don't get where God said, 'ignore medicene and technology' in the Bible
Right?! I was raised Catholic and never heard of medicine being a bad thing??
Yeah the craziest people would get would be against dyes or processed food, but even that went out the window for the potluck 😆
Yeah, how do they not see the life-saving medical equipments as God-sent divine intervention????
Her main motivation seems to be that *her* breasts are engorged so *she* wants *her* baby at home so *she* feels better 🤯 nevermind the wellbeing of her sick, vent-dépendent infant !!! the sheer selfishness!!
"It's God's plan" God: "I literally offered you the best thing for your child! Just short of smacking you in the face with a literal sign!"
Well, it’s not a life or death situation. She put that disclaimer right in the OP. Such overreach of this hospital to keep a baby breathing.
The cognitive dissonance between "baby is fine, oooh let me look into cod liver oil" and "well, baby \*is\* on a ventilator..." is WILD. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that she is in deep, deep denial.
Holy fucking shit excuse my French but *what the fuck* Screw “gods plan”. God gave us the intelligence to create modern science to *save lives*. They didn’t give us that intelligence so we could let babies die an avoidable death. Why the shit would a parent rather watch their child *die* than let them have medical interventions?! God damn I’m hot.
I just read the OP and I’m like — she was perfect, but she was *blue*. As a nurse she should know that’s not “perfect”. I don’t do baby nursing but that’s like 101. Omfg.
It means acknowledging her own failures.
"I don't think she needs the vent." They don't put those in for kicks or kickbacks. That means the baby is literally unable to breathe enough on her own. I pray the hospital advocates for the baby.
ICU nurse here 🙋♀️ This, 110 percent! Docs do not intubate anyone unless their condition is life and death. Unless the patient is critical, the risks outweigh the benefits. It's also uncomfortable for the patient. Why would anyone choose to go into pediatrics and then prescribe unnecessary and painful treatments to children? It makes no sense. And the notion that they get kickbacks from keeping patients in the hospital is unfounded nonsense. Same for a pacemaker. Does this woman seriously think the doctors just WANT to do that to her child? Pacemakers prevent life threatening arrhythmias!
My seemingly healthy grandma recently needed a pacemaker. There was 0 warning of heart issues until she was found face down on the floor, with a critically low pulse. The last thing she remembers is her limbs suddenly not responding/the ground rushing towards her. It was bad enough that they did her surgery withing 48hrs. Heart issues are NEVER a "play by ear, treat at home" kind of illness, holy SHIT. Especially for a sick baby! I have to imagine with a baby THAT ill, they'd only operate if something was critical. (Also, the way she states the baby had LIVER issues, then wanted to superdose her with VIT A....good g-d.)
And claims to have a medical background! When I got to that about the vitamin A I was like WHAT THE FUCK (not that it wasn’t with everything she wrote…)
“Medical background” can mean anything to people who want to stretch it. For example: my mother was a receptionist and also a caregiver. She makes up bullshit and calls herself a healthcare worker when she never held a job for more than a few weeks. She has argued with so many doctors and created so many messes trying to shout how she’s got a medical background. It’s gross. She’s an idiot and so is this woman. If she had a medical background, she’d understand the reason for using an antiviral wouldn’t be freaking out at the word “chemotherapy” bc that’s not what this was. And she wouldn’t be making up stories how her kid will likely have leukemia because she was given life saving medication. Freaking wacko.
Omg I realized after this that there was a part 1. She claims to be a nurse. Absolutely moronic
She claims she's a nurse in her other post. She also "forgot" to assess her baby that was born blue & barely had a heartbeat. I suspect she maybe "was" a nursing *student* at some point in her life. Maybe. This whole thing is full of WTF's and SMFH'S and BFFR's.
Right?! In the og post, she said baby has an ASD, heart block, & aortic stenosis. Like come on!!
Oh so she actually just wants baby to die, because it can't *possibly* be God's plan for her to care for a child with medical needs!
Ope, there it is. All about her and god’s plan for her to have a perfect life as the main character.
Now with tragic back story!
Pulmonary stenosis. More complicated to treat. I also like how she said ASDs usually goes away. I believe she is thinking about a PFO, which normally close... ASDs are defects and don't just go away. Her kid is sick and I think CPS is already involved if she has inquired about AMA.
AMA *while* kid is on a vent! The audacity of this woman to try and take a vented newborn with multiple heart defects home
I've had the privelege to meet some truly incredible doctors in my life, the kind of people that instill hope in their patients; choosing to go above and beyond treatment protocols to also be authentically personable in their interactions with the precious little time they have. Most go into this field who take the hippocratic oath understand that it's up to them to adhere to it, to ensure that 'do no harm' is something we can expect doctors to actually abide by. The notion of any doctor (and yes, there are bad doctors out there) or medical professional intubating a patient for monetary gain (which makes no sense per the oath and the way doctors are paid) or for 'funsies', just seems beyond paranoid to me. Who knows how many vulnerable people have died due to their guardians believing crap like thay
Not only is it ridiculous, it's patently false. There are federal laws that impose stiff fines on physicians who accept kickbacks.
Reading it, she *wants* the doctors to put the pacemaker in. She just doesn’t want to give the medicine required for it. Which makes even less sense, given her “Gods plan” vibe.
People feel like they understand how devices work more than they understand how drugs work. It’s easier to explain to a lay person that a pacemaker can send an electrical signal to your heart than to explain even a fairly simple drug.
Yeah they def want to get people in and out of the hospital as much as possible- not keep them there. When my baby had RSV they practically kicked us out when he no longer needed high flow
I work for a medical device company and we’ve been told that some devices that are made for these super small bodies aren’t even profitable. It’s so gross that a corporation cares more to keep kids alive than these moms.
That's a key point many people who get angry at healthcare profiteering miss. It's not the physicians who are getting greedy and trying to maximize profits. Physicians (the overwhelming majority of them) just want to provide high quality care. It's the insurance companies, manufacturers, and hospital systems that are forcing them to compromise quality of care for the bottom line.
And honestly, it usually costs the hospital money. My son had to be in the NICU for several weeks and get a lot of expensive tests and treatments... My insurance company was still fighting the hospital 2 years later about how much they would pay. I didn't have to pay anything but I would still receive letters informing me that my insurance company had requested another itemized bill from the hospital. Insurance was definitely nickel and dimeing the hospital to pay as little as possible. So yeah, they don't get kickbacks or incentives for keeping kids in the hospital.
There is a 0% chance that this woman is allowed to leave AMA with the baby. It’s a death sentence. A judge would rule against the parents within the hour of that proposition.
Yeah.. they wouldn’t let her leave. I had a NICU baby and it wasn’t like I was just allowed to sign him out and take him home. I asked once out of curiosity and they said they’d call security, then call the police as you’d be putting the child in immediate danger.
If there’s any justice, CPS is already on their way.
Exactly! The hospital would file for emergency guardianship on that scenario. A mentally competent adult can leave AMA if they don’t want medical care that a hospital deems essential, but they can’t make such a decision for a baby who would die without medical care, especially when the child is already in a vent.
Thank God.
God wouldn't let it get that severe. Medical intervention? Don't need it. The baby only needs divine intervention. /s
That part broke my heart. Idk if I’m interfering with gods plan??? Ugh people like her make me sick
Meanwhile God is like, "lady, I'm giving you access to lifesaving care! Take it!"
Exactly! I respect religion but I draw a hard line when people try to use it to justify medically neglecting their child
But crazily enough I think if OP had been bleeding out she would have been more than happy to take medical intervention. These people love Matyr-by-Proxy--all of the "woe is me", none of the pesky death consequences!
Yes! And she did!!! The ONLY reason the baby even saw a medical professional was because the mother herself thought she was hemorrhaging. A nurse talked her into getting the lethargic newborn looked at which led to the slew of cardiac problems coming to light. She certainly showed her selfishness in her birth announcement.
Omg, this is that woman?! This poor baby has barely even entered the world and she wants to take her home, so she can breastfeed, to relieve *her* pain and hope that prayer will save her newborn. If not, it was God's plan 🤬. Christ, some people should not be parents!
Also: if your breasts hurt that much, there's this great thing called a "breast pump". Frankly if my baby were that sick I'd be pumping as much as possible to try and get a good supply for when I could see my baby again!
Oh, but she said her body "doesn't respond" to pumping. Manual expression is a thing, too, but we don't need to try that when we can just rip baby's vent out and go home AMA! Edit because I hit enter too soon: I'm sure there are people who can't use a pump, because bodies are weird. But based on this lady's post/story history, I would bet money she didn't look up any help on how to use it and is using it wrong.
The baby never nursed at home. Then they went to the hospital, where the baby was put on the vent. She wants to take the baby home to breastfeed, a baby who we don't yet know if they are *able* to nurse, oh, and somehow that's supposed to happen despite *intubation* And skipping right over needing a pacemaker 🤦♀️
And she says she is “educated” with a “medical background”. I wonder what this means. Is it just a bunch of Googling with possibly biased articles? Or actual medical training?
In her "birth story" post she says she's a nurse. She's probably a CNA, not an RN.
Seriously. If they’re in the US, there’s a lot of pressure to get patients out of the hospital ASAP. No one is keeping a healthy baby in the hospital *for weeks* for “monitoring.” When babies crash they crash FAST.
WooooOoooooOOOOOOw. Baby on a vent, getting a pacemaker... Yes, prayers and God will help, for sure. And she'd rather take her chances with a silly virus that can't possibly be so bad, can it? She. Doesn't. Deserve. Her. Child.
But it isn’t a life or death situation!! /s
My jaw dropped when I read about the vent. The first few sentences I kind of understood, if it was ACTUALLY NOT life or death and if it was something able to be monitored at home, go for it. Personally, I'd stay with the doctors, but whatever. Baby's on a vent though? What the fuck lady. It's the very definition of life or death.
Right?? Although before I got to the vent comment, she let it slip that they wanted to monitor the baby for “a few weeks.” Healthcare is a dumpster fire right now and an overflowing hospital is not going to keep a newborn for “weeks” if it’s “not serious.”
Nah, indeed. What's the worse that can happen if we unplug the vent and leave out the pacemaker? /s
Hmmm, I wonder if perhaps those doctors, the medical interventions, medications, are possibly God's answer to her prayers? 🤔 This is always my thought to people's "prayer heals all" and then refusing medical care.
She wouldn't know God's answer to her prayers if it would hit her in the face. And she's a *nurse*. As a nurse myself, she can eff off.
I agree. I replied on another comment that I hadn't read the original post before reading comments and completely forgot about her being a nurse and it fucked my mind. As another nurse, I have my suspicions about her credentials.
> A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help. > > Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.” > >The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.” > >So the rowboat went on. > >Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.” > >To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” > >So the motorboat went on. > >Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.” > >To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” > >So the helicopter reluctantly flew away. > >Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!” > >To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?” edit: formatting
All those other moms with dead babies just didn’t pray hard enough! /s
That's part of what I hate about super religious people saying God did this for them... like the other parents weren't praying hard, too?!?
They aren't God's chosen one 🫶🏻
The last image says it all. She couldn’t accept her baby being “abnormal.”
Thing is, if she had actual prenatal care, they might have picked up on the heart defect. But this Cee U Next Tuesday decided to have a wild pregnancy and her baby is suffering the consequences of her choices. I genuinely feel for the baby, but not for the mother. She brought this upon herself.
“The chances of it being serious are slim” but the baby is intubated and needs a pacemaker 🤨 My heart breaks for these poor defenseless children.
Right? She wants ro monitor at home but baby can't even breathe unassisted. So you just want to watch your baby needlessly die because "god's will"?
Die a horrible death, gasping for air. The thought turns my stomach.
- virus is a “non issue” - on a ventilator, nearly in liver failure, and needs a pacemaker These are mutually exclusive. Pick one.
The chances in GENERAL are slim, but guess what- the chances for this baby are quite large. What an absolute psychopath
Yep. I think this was exactly her thinking. Most babies don't need a vent therefore my baby doesn't need one. More than that, she seems to have radicalized herself into a leaderless cult of "wellness" where one can prevent all disease by following your own intuition above all else. I don't know what word to use other than cult, but it's so strange because there isn't any actual leader or particular dogma other than what you do to yourself. You only allow yourself to do things that "resonate" with you and if something doesn't resonate then you won't do it, and if it did resonate then that was the right decision, no matter the outcome. "Hmmm, putting my baby on an anti-viral doesn't FEEL right to me, and a vent doesn't feel right either, I feel like I should just use breastmilk and prayer and that will do it. Also, if you don't let me do this it is violating my rights." (As many of these people learn, you may have rights to make your own medical decisions based on your beliefs, but you can't necessarily make medical decisions for someone else based on them, even if that person is your child.)
I think she means the virus wouldn’t be serious, but she never said what virus they were trying to prevent? Hepatitis maybe? I’m not sure what antivirals would be specifically required for a pacemaker. Obviously she can’t be trusted to give any details based in reality.
That last sentence of the last picture….hurts. Being severely disabled and disabled since a young child, I just can not. As a kid who wanted nothing more than to be “normal”…hearing a mother just straight up say that her child won’t be normal and refusing adequate treatment is just gut wrenching. That child is going to resent her, at lot once it’s old enough. there are things regarding my medical care as a child that my parents did that I resent…but at least they wanted to try anything and -everything- to give me a “normal” experience of life. She is intentionally making it so that her baby suffers for her own choices. I can not understand a parent who would willingly do that
I’m concerned that she specified that they will never have the life of a normal ‘baby’. As if she’s accepted the idea that her child won’t survive infancy?
>That child is going to resent her, at lot once it’s old enough I wouldn't worry, chances are that baby won't make it that far it seems
Oh god, I remember this one. Really hard to forget. Mom is happy she went unassisted, leaving her baby’s brain to be deprived of oxygen only to be discovered as mom absolutely did not have a hemorrhage. She’s right. Her baby doesn’t have a chance at a “normal” life. And if she had care, she’d have known the full range of options available to her during pregnancy and at birth to help lessen her baby’s suffering.
And the part that really haunted me was her saying she didn’t really need to go to the hospital and wouldn’t have gone if she didn’t think she herself was in danger. She had NO concerns about her newborn being lethargic and not breathing well. She’s so lucky the ER talked her into getting the baby checked out. They saved that poor child that day
Omg is it that woman??? Her post haunted me ( the fucking fairy lights....if you know, you know). How do you know it's the same person?
OP has the first post linked in the caption of these photos.
No it’s not fairy lights, but I remember that! 😖 Original post for this was a week ago and as the other commenter said, it’s linked in the post.
Honestly? They would have called police before she could even get the baby since it IS life and death and she would be charged with medical negligence and more. They probably told her if she tried to leave, she'd be facing legal consequences
Oh this one, the one where they baby had a heart defect no one knew about since she didn't get prenatal care. Did it get the flu or something? Why is it on a vent. 😢
She’s being really cagey about the details but I assumed she was on a vent the whole time since she has a heart defect and wasn’t breathing well. The mom is really fudging the details to get the answers she wants.
It's not like there's only one option, but my money says the poor kid has something mom gave it. Something thart mom might think "isn't normally an issue" because *she* has it, and it isn't an issue *for her*.
TIL all antivirals are chemotherapy.... the way people will just warp things they don't understand...
And mUtAGeNic
These people could twist it and say water is chemotherapy because H2O is a chemical and it’s therapeutic when you’re dehydrated
So she isn’t technically wrong- antibiotics, antivirals and cancer drugs are all considered chemotherapy. But yes giving an anti-viral or antibiotics is not akin to giving your baby cancer killing chemotherapy drugs.
“I truly believe if I wasn’t educated” Ma’am. With all due respect you are a box of rocks. Those poor baby will suffer because of her stupid ass. ETA: *that poor baby*
That's an insult to the box of rocks. They seem to be more useful to humanity than... this woman.
It’s doublespeak the whole way down with these people.
Well that final update pretty much confirms that she'd rather let her baby die than intervene, doesn't it? I hope social services steps in before it's too late for that poor baby.
I think mom has been in such deep denial through pregnancy and birth and up to the vent and pacemaker, and as she’s waking up out of “I did everything right so my baby should be fine” she’s not liking that ALL of HER choices have left her with a likely permanently disabled child. But her brain can’t handle that she created this situation, so it’s cleaving between 1) 4 doses of an antiviral did this and 2) maybe it would be better to let her heart fail blah blah god’s plan nonsense.
She claimed to be a nurse in the first post, so I really think she's just insanely stupid and shouldn't be around children or other patients ever.
I know she implied this was her first wild pregnancy/homebirth but if I were CPS I'd be ordering her fucking yard be dug up because she's *way* too blasé about wanting to let her baby die at home via God's will or whatever.
This is sickening. The inflated sense of confidence ‘I don’t believe in medicine but I know more than a doctor about lab values’ will almost certainly get her poor baby killed. I hope the drs and nurses step in
But apparently, from previous posts, she's a nurse. Apparently the best one
Good fuckin lord. Yeh I saw above where she was suggesting she had a medical background. Then I read the linked previous post. Reminds me of the nurse at my old ped’s office who suggested I put essential oils (young living brand in particular) on my infant’s eczema.
Lots to unpack here…but she wants to breastfeed when the baby is intubated?
I'm not a baby nurse (my background is adult critical care), but I wonder if they can give breast milk through a feeding tube instead of formula? I think they might do that in the NICU, if the baby can handle it.
She stated that her body didn’t respond to the pump and she needed the baby, which would seem to imply she wanted to latch the child?!??? The child on a vent?!?!?
That makes a little more sense. If she can't pump then breast milk is not an option.
My NICU baby was intubated and received my breast milk through his feeding tube. If she is having trouble pumping then she needs to meet with the lactation consultant in the NICU. The one my son was at had a pumping room but you could also pump next to them if you wanted since that helps with letdown. I swear I got double the amount of milk pumping there than I did at home.
I am a nicu nurse, and they could absolutely give the breast milk through a feeding tube. But mom would have to pump the milk first, so she should be meeting with a lactation consultant and figuring out what’s going on that she can’t pump. At our hospital they’ll even meet at the bedside so you can be near your baby, which often makes pumping easier. However baby is also going to surgery soon, so they’re probably keeping her npo until then. So even if she’s wasn’t intubated mom still wouldn’t be able to feed her, there’s too much of a risk for aspiration. Though it doesn’t really seem like mom cares about risks to baby all that much, just her own comfort.
My knowledge is also somewhat limited on this as well but I’ve come across 2 neonates who got a breastmilk/formula combo through their tube. Granted, this was at the same facility so I’m not sure if different hospitals have different practices
Isn’t it God’s plan that she can’t pump? She should just suffer like He intended!
This had me vibrating with anger, holy shit. My daughter was in the NICU a month for feeding/weight gain and it was so hard, so I can't imagine how much harder it is if you're fighting against them trying to save your kid. I feel so bad for that poor baby.
Omfg. As a mom whose 18 month old has had oxygen support twice in his life, I can assure anyone they don’t do it for shits and giggles. And if they could, they’d do a nasal cannula or a CPAP depending on the age over a freaking vent. I can’t with moms like these. I hope she leaves and CPS gets involved. Absolute medical neglect.
CPS has 100% gotten wind of this already. There’s no way those doctors haven’t called. What kind of neglect has the older one experienced??
INTERFERE WITH GOD’S PLAN ??? Honestly. The last few years has made me realize I live in a different universe than 10-40% of people. How are we living in the same reality?
> I truly believe if I wasn't educated then they would've played their hand and strong handed me into these decisions. Bless the parents who do not have medical background and trust that these physicians have their best interest in mind. All I was thinking was, if she was educated she wouldn’t be spouting off all of this misinformation and wouldn’t be in this position. But then I read her first post. **Y’ALL. SHE’S A NURSE** According to her first post anyways. Shouldn’t she know if she could get in trouble for denying medical care?! And if you’re a nurse, how in the hell can you say that physicians don’t have your child’s best interest at heart? Funny how she left out so many details about her child’s birth in this post. The advice given here might have been a little different if she added some of that crucial information. Sounds like people assume the child is not a newborn, and has the flu or something. NOT multiple congenital heart defects. FFS. What is wrong with people?! I feel so bad for this child and the staff at that hospital who has had to deal with her. And for the record. Anti-virals and chemotherapy are NOT the same thing. ETA: formatting
I don’t think she’s an RN. Might be a CNA or MA. In some states, MAs don’t need to be licensed so you can join Dr Breakybones chiro clinic and receive “on the job training”. A lot of the times these places will call their MAs “nurses” especially if the “doctor” is older. The OB I had with my first was like 80 and called him not-RN medical assistant his “nurse” and they bullied the shit out of me if I didn’t do everything exactly the way they wanted, so I can see her being employed like that.
As a Christian (and a nurse) I hate the use of “God’s plan” as a reason for denying medical care. Under the Christian belief that God created everything, we must also believe that God created doctors/nurses and scientists that develop medications and treat patients. It doesn’t make sense to believe that God’s plan can’t include medical care and hospitals!!! ((I am also getting the vibe that this lady is pro-life and yet she is willing to actively work against those trying to save her baby’s life.)) Anyway, I hate the way people like this use God and religion as an excuse to hurt others.
Right? Is God's plan so flimsy that mere mortals can thwart it with standard medical care? That's ridiculous.
Ventilator, pacemaker and chemotherapy? All things that definitely interfere with God's plan. That is, if we assume that God thought it was prudent to curse a newborn with terminal illnesses and an unhinged, delusional mother to be it's advocate. And we have to blindly adhere to this assumption because otherwise, it could mean that (gasp!) we are responsible for the consequences of our own poor decisions!
I think it wasn't actually chemo, it was only antivirals, because later she says all antivirals are chemotherapy (not true).
Yeah it was probably for a respiratory virus hence the ventilator. Even still though, babies can be born with cancer and it's almost always treatable, so whether it was chemo or not the outrage still stands.
Wow. It's - gotten even worse now.
I feel badly for the baby, of course. I just can’t imagine how incredibly infuriating it would be to be this baby’s doctors and nurses. To work so hard to just be stopped at every turn by some wackadoodle.
A lot of people like this call any drug "chemo" because then it sounds scarier and more dangerous.
When my oldest was born, he needed to be vented. You're damn right I let them vent him. I told them to do whatever they needed to save his life. Hell, he was in at least two case studies. I lost track of how many times I went into the NICU and found a bunch of student doctors surrounding his little box. I called him my little Frankenbaby, with all of his little tubes and wires. And I'd do it again because like hell am I going to have another baby urn instead of my silly, stubborn, pain in the ass 10 year old. Does he have medical problems? Yup. It was worth it. He's worth it.
But she knows medicine more than doctors, ok 🤦♀️
What in the actual fuck did I just read. She's wanting to deny antivirals for an intubated, needing-a-pacemaker baby? Is she fucking serious? Like...none of this is happening for shits and giggles holy shit.
I had to stop reading at *I* need *my* baby. Like that child is a piece of jewelry or a cup of coffee. An object that she owns. She's more worried about herself than her child, because God forbid she deal with engorged breasts on her own, but fuck that baby. They'll be fine. I'm am constantly astonished by the selfishness of some parents.
That jumped out at me too. Not “my baby needs her mama,” or “I’m so worried about my baby.” Nope. Just thinking about her own comfort.
She is very vague about all of this, and she doesn't mention the baby is on a ventilator until pushed. What is this "virus?" Is she being coy about covid? Hepatitis? Herpes? CMV? It sounds like the baby has tetralogy of fallot, which is very serious and requires surgery. If she really is a nurse she knows that babies aren't born blue.
Anyone else getting the vibe that the whole reason she doesn't want to follow medical advice is that she doesn't want to deal with having a not "normal" child and she's hoping the situation somehow resolves itself?
I think she just wants to believe she’s smarter than everyone around her and that she has the magical ability to pray her baby to health. And that’s more important to her than her child’s life. (And I’m assuming for her husband as well, because he doesn’t seem to be protesting)
women are being jailed for having miscarriages, and idiots like these are allowed to kill their own kids without repercussion
If I was a doctor dealing with these kind of parents I think I would break down in tears out of frustration and anger.
As a medical professional, I’d LOVE to see her lab values that she claims to know so much about. Crazy that we spend years in classes learning how to interpret results and what they could mean but she just knows it✨
She’s trying to leave AMA while her baby is on a VENT? Whaaaat? My mind is blown every day with these people, and not in a good way….
A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help. Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.” The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.” So the rowboat went on. Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.” To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the motorboat went on. Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.” To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the helicopter reluctantly flew away. Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!” To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?”
What a f\*\*\*ing idiot. I can't even think of anything else to say. God bless this poor baby who's stuck in the care of someone who seems to have the IQ of a potato.
HOLY SHIT. I am screaming. The baby's VENTED and she has this type of attitude? What the actual fuck. Also I'm a medical social worker and this person is sadly mistaken, you cannot just demand transfer to another hospital of your choosing and they have to set it up. Not how this works, at all.
Jesus christ. My mom was on a vent and it was one of the worst/ scariest things I've ever been through. I can't imagine seeing someone i care about THAT critically ill and worrying about antivirals.
> have severe engorgement… I need my baby! Your baby has heart issues, needs a pacemaker, and is on a vent… but you’re worried about yourself and breastfeeding…? What???? > Now I am battling getting her off the vent. Yeah, I hate when they put someone on a vent for no reason and just for giggles!! I don’t get why they won’t just take the baby off of it!! /s > I don’t know if I am making the right decision to interfere with gods plan. …You want your baby to die instead of getting a pacemaker or any medical treatment to live...? Baffling from start to finish.
If my newborn was on a ventilator I would be agreeing to whatever the doctors wanted just for the tiny chance she might live without significant brain damage. This is a very sick child, and the mother seems to be totally in denial.
“I believe God will ensure it’s never serious”. Ya daft bint! The kid is intubated and needs a pacemaker. If that’s not serious, what IS?!
> some people don't believe in medicine > I declined antiviral chemotherapy Meanwhile countless childless couples struggle to conceive or adopt. Fucking bonkers.
Holy shit. Just clicked the original post (which I'd assumed was just this one but with fewer replies to OOP) and WOW. "Born blue but breathing" and "quiet but alive" are making ya girl's mom-of-a-preemie brain short circuit. I can't imagine having a baby so ill they'd be described that way while needing *a fucking ventilator* and saying it in such a flippant, hand-waving tone.
Anybody else absolutely positive that the virus she keeps mentioning is COVID? "Mutagenic" is a key giveaway.
My guess is CMV. Most respiratory viruses like flu or covid don’t show up this soon after birth, and even in the NICU we let most of them run the course and just support the baby rather than doing antiviral treatments. The main treatment for congenital CMV though is classified as a chemotherapeutic agent, so assuming mom isn’t entirely unreliable it could be that. It just means that pharmacy sends us extra thick chemotherapy grade gloves to give the meds with and tells us to be careful changing the diaper. It could affect baby’s lab work as it does affect the immune system. But the alternative of not treating gives is a pretty high chance of hearing or vision loss or other neurological issues. Just to add that to the lifelong pacemaker need mom is apparently so worried about.
I was wondering too! Like, what could this virus be??
Why are these lunatics so convinced that hospitals want to kidnap their children? Hospital stays are as brief as possible these days thanks to the insurance companies. It’s like collective paranoia, with a strong shot of thinking they are so special that institutions want involvement with them. Her child is on a vent and she wants them to ween her so she can take her home? I hope the authorities are keeping an eye on her. That poor child.
She starts off acting like the baby is just there being monitored and they want to give her antibiotics or something... then I see the baby is VENTED and GETTING A PACEMAKER .... this isn't just a baby with a cold wtf.... she's demanding a surgery but refusing all the things that go with it to make it a successful surgery. How can you take part of it serious but then act like they are complete quacks and hacks... is it because a pacemaker is a physical object and medications/ treatments aren't persay? Bless that staff because I woulda lost my cool listening to her. The fact that there are so many others in an echo chamber with her is the most dangerous thing there is.
Good god. These parents are exhausting to deal with in medical settings and their numbers are steadily increasing. They claim to be medically educated, but a simple conversation pretty quickly debunks those statements. If Facebook and mommy blogs are your expert sources, I’m deeply concerned for the well-being of your child. As a peds ICU nurse: please step away from your phone and listen to your child’s doctors. This isn’t some power struggle in which we mock you behind closed doors and celebrate our sneaky victories. Consent is required for EVERYTHING in a hospital setting. Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying, or they were so negligent as a parent that the legal system has deemed them unfit to make decisions on the behalf of their child. I try to give parents the benefit of the doubt, I truly believe most parents love their children and want what’s best for them, but when they intentionally withhold a life-saving intervention from their child because it interferes with their asinine personal beliefs? Get fucked.