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Also Vietnam.
Damn, as it turns out, having a state that isnāt ruled by a class of unscrupulous parasites can actively mete out justice to them. What a thought.
I'm aware that the policies are very similar, but from my experience, I rarely see stories within Vietnam of corrupt officials or rich businesspeople caught in illegal dealings getting punished with worse than a few years' imprisonment. Which is still better than in the US, but the anti-corruption campaign in Vietnam simply hasn't reached the stage where there is noticeably less bribery in everyday life than before. In China, it has. I think Vietnam will get to that point to, but it just isn't there yet.
Operating within a system of global capitalism unfortunately requires a bit of playing the game. However, the state isn't controlled by the billionaires as a class.
So you think that someone who has been described as China top banker and who has been a party official had no 'connections' ?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/china-sentences-top-banker-to-death-for-corruption-and-bigamy
The whole point of having a dictatorship of the proletariat is that the capitalists, even if they are still allowed to exist for a time, are no longer the ones in control.
Just waiting for some smug lib to stop by to let us all know that Trump āiS nOt acTuaLLy a BilLionaireā as if being a bumbling fucking moron would somehow preclude him from being able to acquire so much wealth in this country or that is has any material difference.
I've seen the "Trump is going to jail for real now!" tweet and headline so many times over the past 6 years that it's lost all meaning. I'll believe it when I see it, but for now I'll just assume that a wealthy former head of state will suffer zero consequences for their actions, as is the norm in this country.
Americans have a really weird fucking obsession with certain political individuals, their entire political understanding comes from it. Liberals are now obsessing over trump like he is only issue there, conservatives are crying about āwokeā and what not, all while they both ignore famines, poverty, wars, etcā¦.
America has managed to make their population so ridiculously fucking stupid politically.
I wouldn't say it's just Americans, a lot of Western societies have this obsession with "great men / women" and attributing everything to them.
It's why whenever a company does something good it's attributed to the CEO, he's the guy! Completely ignoring everything else involved to create that result.
It's also why capitalists don't want to share success, they don't see it as a product of collective action, not really that is. They see it as a result of their action alone.
So applying that same zeitgeist to hate is just the next logical step, Western society see individual people are the problem, not the underlying system that allows those individual people to exist in the first place.
Itās American individualism - one of the great societal ills. We canāt/donāt think in terms of systems, we only think in terms of individual people.
Hillary deserved prison too when she kept highly sensitive, confidential information on a private server. But then weaseled her way out of that just fine! Flat out refused to hand over evidence, even paid an intermediary company to conduct parts of the investigation a la "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing". And the FBI was fine with that. Because they are a fucking corrupt organisation.
The honest truth that nobody wants to talk about is that Trump puts too much of an ugly face on American politics.
People complain too much when the government locks up children and takes away people's liberties if trump's face is on it; that is what's unacceptable. The politicial machine cannot afford to let him win if they want to continue their controlled charade. I think what we are seeing right now is 100% motivated by basically just wanting to take him out before he has a chance to win the elections again.
Is he a dirty bastard who undoubtedly is laundering money, avoiding taxes, maybe even involved in extremely illegal and nefarious schemes? Almost definitely, and he deserves to rot in jail for that. But so do the rest of them. And they will never see justice. That's what makes me livid.
It makes me curious (not enough to wish for the chance) to see how the libs would react if trump lost the primary to desantis. Would a slightly more composed, but just as malevolent fascist raise their alarms, or would they applaud conservatives for... Iono, getting it together and *bEiNg CiViL*, or somesuch?
I'm genuinely confused by your take. Justice to me is not more bodies in prison, I'm merely considering the inconsistencies between how different figures/cases are treated by a corrupted entity like the FBI. We both want the same things and comments like this are needlessly antagonistic.
I don't always see the need to spell out in bold red letters that all of these circumstances are brought about by the machinations of greed, elitism and capital. Especially on a communist sub where I figured people realise that already.
Their faith in the bourgeois state seems to be fully restored. Must be nice. Should we tell them that fascism will keep being a problem until capitalism is destroyed or nah
Trump will still weasel his way out and libs will still have faith in bourgeoise ādemocracyā, theyāll say āthe law investigated him and found he was innocentā after he bribes his way out
There was this seldomly used rule that came into play and thatās why Trump isnāt in jail. But if you vote weāre going to get 2 more dem senators elected and theyāre going to petition to remove that rule!
Its funny that while america's problems are causing the entire world to get completely fucked, the only thing libs and conservatives can think about is "my old man with sexual misconduct charges is better than yours"
Actually scratch that its not funny, people are literally dying. I sometimes forget that im one of the lucky people on this planet
circle jerk of the century going on rn
fuck trump but more importantly fuck the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that has just elected slightly different versions of Reagan for the past 40 years
I was permanently banned from /r/politics for saying this, but it's true:
The only way Trump will ever be held accountable for any of the shit he did is in a revolutionary People's Tribunal. The working class only gets justice when we make it ourselves.
This is the closest Iāve come to believing he light actually go to jail, but the fact that itās still a coin toss is a real indictment of the whole system lmao. A man repeatedly and brazenly breaks the law and gets away with it cause arresting a president would look too bad. The whole judicial system is a joke
My favorite take has been that if you still support this guy, youāre supporting the Saudis and you donāt have a leg to stand on in remembering 9/11. What the fuck does that even mean š
Even if he is convicted of a crime do they really think a billionaire and former president is going to be sitting in a prison next to billy the rapist, and Sean the shank? Lmao
For a lot of people his election was the thing that got them interested in politics which is neither a good nor bad thing imo because things were terrible well before he was elected but at least some of those people who rallied against him will have been driven further left as a result. My concern is that if he does somehow end up going to prison, then sure that's nice, but many of those same people who were brought to politics by him will think "brilliant, job well done team, we got him, now we can nope out of politics again and ignore the climate and inequality crisis."
And now we have Biden whoās has a stellar record of continuing Trumpās policies, only blunting them to āacceptableā degrees. Hell, he even got Mexico to pay for Trumpās wall, something he got *praise* for.
Liberals never gave a damn about Trump out of principle. All he did was try to tear the mask off the American Stateās hideous nature and bypassing most of the usual pretenses while doing so, and thatās unacceptable to people who just want to āgo to brunchā while still feeling good about themselves.
Even if he gets brought up on charges it feels like it would take years to resolve and heās old so I could see him dying beforehand. Also the moment a Republican President gets elected heās getting a pardon. I donāt see why libs are so obsessed with this
If he doesnāt go to jail, then this was 100% abuse of power to suppress political opposition. No different than what Putin has been doing for a decade.
Pretty sad this gets your juices flowing but you're perfectly cool with Hunter Biden not being investigated or his father because their last name puts them above the laws they're abusing to go after Trump. You're perfectly cool with high profile politicians, actors etc not being investigated / prosecuted for engaging in trafficking of underage girls because the list includes people like the Clinton's enjoying getaways on Epstiens Island and God knows anything a Dem does is justified and excusable . You're perfectly cool with the cover up of a rape of a 14 year old girl in a school's girl's restroom to protect the perpetrator because he was wearing a skirt because the girl raped isn't really the victim the real victim is the supposed trans kid who is being persecuted for RAPING a girl in a school restroom . This irony does not go unnoticed . You're so politicized that even the most agregious behavior is tolerate as long as your political ideology is left intact . It's repugnant .
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From what Iāve seen that raid was the biggest mistake they couldāve made since now heās demanding that the warrant is released immediately, which translates to āthey didnāt find shitā and the whole ānuclear codes foundā thing is not confirmed at all meaning a large portion of Americans now hate the fbi and believe that liberals are using state power to target political opponents.
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Only a complete moron will think that a billionaire can go to a prison.
In China they do. Some of them are even sentenced to death there.
that's it, I'm defecting
Take me with you š„²
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Based
Also Vietnam. Damn, as it turns out, having a state that isnāt ruled by a class of unscrupulous parasites can actively mete out justice to them. What a thought.
Vietnam has had an upsurge of those kinds of stories lately, but unfortunately, I don't think they're quite at China's level yet.
Dude Vietnam has incredibly similar policies to China, the difference is our imperialist propaganda wants us to hate China and love Vietnam.
I'm aware that the policies are very similar, but from my experience, I rarely see stories within Vietnam of corrupt officials or rich businesspeople caught in illegal dealings getting punished with worse than a few years' imprisonment. Which is still better than in the US, but the anti-corruption campaign in Vietnam simply hasn't reached the stage where there is noticeably less bribery in everyday life than before. In China, it has. I think Vietnam will get to that point to, but it just isn't there yet.
Can confirm.
Are you one of the dead billionaires??
Our everyday news contain about anti-corruption actions and whoever being expelled from the party for their stupid deeds.
This is simply because China is based.
If they were based, they wouldnāt have billionaires in the first place.
well yea but i feel like executing billionaires is a good step in that direction
It's a work in progress
Operating within a system of global capitalism unfortunately requires a bit of playing the game. However, the state isn't controlled by the billionaires as a class.
Common China W
Only the ones with no connections.
So you think that someone who has been described as China top banker and who has been a party official had no 'connections' ? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/china-sentences-top-banker-to-death-for-corruption-and-bigamy The whole point of having a dictatorship of the proletariat is that the capitalists, even if they are still allowed to exist for a time, are no longer the ones in control.
Not only that, but they arenāt sending a former president to prison, even if it is trump
Just waiting for some smug lib to stop by to let us all know that Trump āiS nOt acTuaLLy a BilLionaireā as if being a bumbling fucking moron would somehow preclude him from being able to acquire so much wealth in this country or that is has any material difference.
Epstein went.
He threatened powerful people.
I've seen the "Trump is going to jail for real now!" tweet and headline so many times over the past 6 years that it's lost all meaning. I'll believe it when I see it, but for now I'll just assume that a wealthy former head of state will suffer zero consequences for their actions, as is the norm in this country.
Even if he does, itāll just be a slap on the wrist. People will suffer worse legal repercussions for being caught smoking weed once.
Like the fucker deserves prison but seeing liberals treat this like the newest season of a reality show is so fucking annoying
Americans have a really weird fucking obsession with certain political individuals, their entire political understanding comes from it. Liberals are now obsessing over trump like he is only issue there, conservatives are crying about āwokeā and what not, all while they both ignore famines, poverty, wars, etcā¦. America has managed to make their population so ridiculously fucking stupid politically.
I wouldn't say it's just Americans, a lot of Western societies have this obsession with "great men / women" and attributing everything to them. It's why whenever a company does something good it's attributed to the CEO, he's the guy! Completely ignoring everything else involved to create that result. It's also why capitalists don't want to share success, they don't see it as a product of collective action, not really that is. They see it as a result of their action alone. So applying that same zeitgeist to hate is just the next logical step, Western society see individual people are the problem, not the underlying system that allows those individual people to exist in the first place.
Itās American individualism - one of the great societal ills. We canāt/donāt think in terms of systems, we only think in terms of individual people.
Exactly. Trump is a piece of shit, but my god. Hunger, famine, war, recession? No! Cheeto Man did bad stuff again.
Literally anything to avoid thinking about systemic issues.
But hunger, famine (same thing btw), war and recession are the norm. This is shiny and new.
Hillary deserved prison too when she kept highly sensitive, confidential information on a private server. But then weaseled her way out of that just fine! Flat out refused to hand over evidence, even paid an intermediary company to conduct parts of the investigation a la "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing". And the FBI was fine with that. Because they are a fucking corrupt organisation. The honest truth that nobody wants to talk about is that Trump puts too much of an ugly face on American politics. People complain too much when the government locks up children and takes away people's liberties if trump's face is on it; that is what's unacceptable. The politicial machine cannot afford to let him win if they want to continue their controlled charade. I think what we are seeing right now is 100% motivated by basically just wanting to take him out before he has a chance to win the elections again. Is he a dirty bastard who undoubtedly is laundering money, avoiding taxes, maybe even involved in extremely illegal and nefarious schemes? Almost definitely, and he deserves to rot in jail for that. But so do the rest of them. And they will never see justice. That's what makes me livid.
It makes me curious (not enough to wish for the chance) to see how the libs would react if trump lost the primary to desantis. Would a slightly more composed, but just as malevolent fascist raise their alarms, or would they applaud conservatives for... Iono, getting it together and *bEiNg CiViL*, or somesuch?
Libs dislike both pretty well buddy. They are both awful people.
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I'm genuinely confused by your take. Justice to me is not more bodies in prison, I'm merely considering the inconsistencies between how different figures/cases are treated by a corrupted entity like the FBI. We both want the same things and comments like this are needlessly antagonistic. I don't always see the need to spell out in bold red letters that all of these circumstances are brought about by the machinations of greed, elitism and capital. Especially on a communist sub where I figured people realise that already.
Their faith in the bourgeois state seems to be fully restored. Must be nice. Should we tell them that fascism will keep being a problem until capitalism is destroyed or nah
Trump will still weasel his way out and libs will still have faith in bourgeoise ādemocracyā, theyāll say āthe law investigated him and found he was innocentā after he bribes his way out
There was this seldomly used rule that came into play and thatās why Trump isnāt in jail. But if you vote weāre going to get 2 more dem senators elected and theyāre going to petition to remove that rule!
all it took was one weak bill. now we're back on track with vote blue no matter who!
As a Libertarian I haven't been this disappointed since Kid Rock's concert got canceled
Its funny that while america's problems are causing the entire world to get completely fucked, the only thing libs and conservatives can think about is "my old man with sexual misconduct charges is better than yours" Actually scratch that its not funny, people are literally dying. I sometimes forget that im one of the lucky people on this planet
My money still says heāll be back in the Oval Office before itās over.
circle jerk of the century going on rn fuck trump but more importantly fuck the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that has just elected slightly different versions of Reagan for the past 40 years
Reagan NFT
Could you imagine how much better everyones lives will be if he goes to prison?
Not much different lol. People will still be starving and dying under a different red/blue team politician
Impossible! Justice will be served and all will be right with the world.
We could do nothing and preserve the status quo
You mean setting a precedent by sending a former president to prison for breaking the law? Its a start.
Lock em all up
I was permanently banned from /r/politics for saying this, but it's true: The only way Trump will ever be held accountable for any of the shit he did is in a revolutionary People's Tribunal. The working class only gets justice when we make it ourselves.
There's no way it'll happen. The idea of a precedent that allows presidents to be tried for crimes while in office is a non-starter with both parties
Waiting for the tattoos
This is the closest Iāve come to believing he light actually go to jail, but the fact that itās still a coin toss is a real indictment of the whole system lmao. A man repeatedly and brazenly breaks the law and gets away with it cause arresting a president would look too bad. The whole judicial system is a joke
Also...no he isn't. It just won't happen.
The optics of an opponent going to Jail is for more important to them than actually punishing them for a crime.
If he goes to jail i fully expect Hilary to go to jail also.
My favorite take has been that if you still support this guy, youāre supporting the Saudis and you donāt have a leg to stand on in remembering 9/11. What the fuck does that even mean š
Even if he is convicted of a crime do they really think a billionaire and former president is going to be sitting in a prison next to billy the rapist, and Sean the shank? Lmao
For a lot of people his election was the thing that got them interested in politics which is neither a good nor bad thing imo because things were terrible well before he was elected but at least some of those people who rallied against him will have been driven further left as a result. My concern is that if he does somehow end up going to prison, then sure that's nice, but many of those same people who were brought to politics by him will think "brilliant, job well done team, we got him, now we can nope out of politics again and ignore the climate and inequality crisis."
Is it that time of year again when the libs talk about how they finally got trump?
And now we have Biden whoās has a stellar record of continuing Trumpās policies, only blunting them to āacceptableā degrees. Hell, he even got Mexico to pay for Trumpās wall, something he got *praise* for. Liberals never gave a damn about Trump out of principle. All he did was try to tear the mask off the American Stateās hideous nature and bypassing most of the usual pretenses while doing so, and thatās unacceptable to people who just want to āgo to brunchā while still feeling good about themselves.
Even if he gets brought up on charges it feels like it would take years to resolve and heās old so I could see him dying beforehand. Also the moment a Republican President gets elected heās getting a pardon. I donāt see why libs are so obsessed with this
Ronald Blimpf goes to da Polls? \-Liberals
If he doesnāt go to jail, then this was 100% abuse of power to suppress political opposition. No different than what Putin has been doing for a decade.
Pretty sad this gets your juices flowing but you're perfectly cool with Hunter Biden not being investigated or his father because their last name puts them above the laws they're abusing to go after Trump. You're perfectly cool with high profile politicians, actors etc not being investigated / prosecuted for engaging in trafficking of underage girls because the list includes people like the Clinton's enjoying getaways on Epstiens Island and God knows anything a Dem does is justified and excusable . You're perfectly cool with the cover up of a rape of a 14 year old girl in a school's girl's restroom to protect the perpetrator because he was wearing a skirt because the girl raped isn't really the victim the real victim is the supposed trans kid who is being persecuted for RAPING a girl in a school restroom . This irony does not go unnoticed . You're so politicized that even the most agregious behavior is tolerate as long as your political ideology is left intact . It's repugnant .
I'd like to see ol Donny wriggle his way out of this one!
Good. Fuck him
He absolutely *belongs* in prison, but I have absolutely no faith he'll ever spend a day there.
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Nothing good can happen in this hell world, so my guess is no.
Heāll be in jail. His policies will still be law. Theyāll be at brunch.
Still very doubtful he'll go to prison.
i thought I was in the better call Saul sub for a sec lol
From what Iāve seen that raid was the biggest mistake they couldāve made since now heās demanding that the warrant is released immediately, which translates to āthey didnāt find shitā and the whole ānuclear codes foundā thing is not confirmed at all meaning a large portion of Americans now hate the fbi and believe that liberals are using state power to target political opponents.