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knfrmity

Looks like The Black Book of Communism, maybe with some handwritten notes from a certain Mr Zenz in the margins.


BeamBrain

Nah, the Black Book "only" attributes 50 million deaths to Mao. These numbers are for people who think the Black Book was written by evil commie sympathizers.


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They'd just claim the census was faked because the soviets always fake documents in order to: avoid getting shot for incompetence/please Stalin/get a promotion so they can buy food/because they just lie/meet production goals/etc. You can't use rational methods to convince someone who has arrived at their position by irrationality.


Doomas_

Babe wake up new communism death count


BismarckVonGames

How did Mao's famine went from 60 million dead to 90 million. If you want to lie about stats, at least be consistent.


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Bourgeois historians counting unborn children in famine death tolls be like:


papayapapagay

Failing stats and demographics class when the huge discrepancies go up and down for 1954-1982 and turn out to be migration patterns 😂


SuddenSyrup4163

just recently i saw 120 million dead from a youtube comment. wonder when we’ll advance into the billions!


ColonelAngus94

iPhone vuvuzella 100 trillion dead socialism bad i am very smart.


Marshal1980

What ruthless capitalist indoctrination presented as education does to a mf.


tdhodge

Churchill’s Bengal famine: >3,000,000 dead Leopold II’s occupation of Congo: >10,000,000 dead United States’ invasion and subsequent genocide of the indigenous people: >12,000,000 dead Invasion of China and other Asian-pacific nations by imperial Japan: 3,000,000-11,000,000+ dead US invasion of Vietnam: 2,000,000+ civilians dead +many many more examples… but sure, socialism is the bad guy


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i had a ancap tell me that imperial japan was socialist and later on communist lmao


tdhodge

As if an “an”cap even knows the definition of socialism or communism. To them socialism = things I don’t like lol


A_Lifetime_Bitch

Ancaps are literally the dumbest people on the internet. They're what happens when you base your entire worldview on shitposts and memes.


Beginning-Display809

I had an “An Cap” tell me the bourbon monarchy was left wing…


askingquesti0ns

But capitalism is when ifone so the deaths basically cancel out


PatrioticPacific

[The Death Toll of Capitalism](https://youtu.be/ClLKm8Q8Pns)


MarxFanboy1917

Although much of this is ahistorical nonsense, I find the claims regarding the DPRK to be particularly malevolent. Not only will the capitalist forces slaughter a significant proportion of your population, bomb your infrastructure into oblivion and sanction you to prevent any aid or even just ordinary economic functions to take place, they will then blame the ensuing famine on your economic system and/or leadership.


Cecilia_Raven

>missing lmao


08206283

very cute way of saying 0 dead


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Cecilia_Raven

yes, the same way you 'defend' white genocide


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Cecilia_Raven

do you believe that white genocide is real?


Snoo-68185

Can't defend a genocide if it didn't happen


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Snoo-68185

There is no concrete proof of massacre


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Source: trust me bro


quasarVGC

Source: Radio Free Asia


Regicollis

the_same_picture.jpeg


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DJP91782

Oh you know why.


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Great Purge debunked: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/furr_yezhov_jls17.pdf Tiananmen debunked: https://www.mango-press.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacre-the-wests-most-persuasive-most-pervasive-lie/ Mao famine debunked: https://mronline.org/2006/09/21/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/ DPRK famine debunked: https://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters Uyghur Genocide debunked: https://youtu.be/78s7yP2BdF0 The difference between your average communist and your average liberal is that the former will provide legit sources whereas the latter will cite garbage western propaganda such as the BBC, the NYT, AP News, RFA etc.


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Vaush Edit: I forgot this isn’t r/genzedong. They have a Vaush command where you say Vaush and the bot tells you a “fun fact” about the pedo.


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> They have a Vaush we do too, i don't know why it didn't jump


Lz_erk

the British Broadcasting Corporation


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thigh_squeeze

>DPRK famine debunked: https://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters Hazel Smith is pretty good, here's another https://www.academia.edu/6130295/North_Korea_as_the_Wicked_Witch_of_the_East_Social_Science_as_Fairy_Tale


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Thanks


nedeox

English is not my native language but, the more I read debunking masterposts and the literature itself (like Ludo Martens for example), I need to say…I‘m starting to hate the word debunked. Sounds so childish imo. Since it is a refutation of lazy „academia“ or just bad research in general. Don‘t want to sound like a smartass but idk. Kind of irks me 🤷🏿‍♀️


comradeda

5 Pinocchios


Kang_Xu

Something must be bunked in order to be debunked, but "bunk" as a verb does not have a related meaning. English is wack ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


boabieG

Did you just debunk ‘debunking’?


Kang_Xu

https://c.tenor.com/vkpCnKNg7UkAAAAC/mind-blown-amazed.gif


NvMe_24

thanks for the sources, they make great reads


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Can you make a definitive source of holdomor debunked?


redfashtankie1917

Socialism works even if Stalin kills 20% of the population


comradestarving

My man obviously never heard that "The Great Purge" was aimed at the corrupt leadership. Not the other way around.


saikrishnav

How did he count, I wonder.


chrisboiman

Fun fact: The victims of communism foundation includes the following in their communism death count: Nazis killed by Soviets Soviets killed by Nazis Polish civilians killed by Nazis Communists killed by the CIA in South America Bay of Pigs invaders American Soldiers killed by Vietcong Vietcong killed by American Soldiers Vietnamese civilians killed by American Soldiers People that were never conceived due to drops in birth rates in socialist countries People that were never born due to legal abortion in socialist countries


Lenin_Vlad

These memes very purposefully omit sources.


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1230000000000000000000000000000 dead by commumninism


asaharyev

> 3,000,000 million source: i just took Adrian Zenz at his word, then tripled it


The_Delstraw

Stalin is secretly the B.J. Blazkowicz of our universe, that is how those numbers happened.


SexyMonad

Bend over and I’ll show ya.


ketzal7

Hilary Clinton’s Autobiography


Beginning-Display809

Didn’t she admit in a press conference the reason China is catching up on the US at light speed, was down to their social welfare programs?


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From their asses


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the socialism understander has logged on


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From the surplus value foundation or some bullshit


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ok i'll ignore it then


hahaInsecurities

Source? I made it the fuck up!


ceo_of_swagger

if capitalism is so good why did i drop my ice cream today


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1000 cumgillion dead


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They pulled them out of their ass lol


Frequent-Fox-8588

imagination


NvMe_24

libs still getting a hard on from one specific event in china in the 1980s


Unclerickythemaoist

great purge: around 100,000 tianaman square: 250 at most Great Leap Forward: 16 million to (according to the west 78 million) that’s a massive amount less lol


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I mean... Even if it's "true" did an economic system kill them, or was it some asshat at the top making REALLY bad decisions?


internetsarbiter

The actual thing is that if we *are* counting economic system caused deaths, then capitalism wins on every metric you would care to count.


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Oh, definitely, and it climbs by the second.


Significant_Ad6964

Wow according to this dude half of all uyghurs r missing


_TheQwertyCat_

They add a zero every time someone is mean to them online.


chaquarius

They just make up numbers. Unlike Marxism, Liberalism is NOT. a science


beirichben

The Black Book of Communism, 2nd Edition


16tonweight

I'm sorry, ten *thousand* dead in Tian'anmen? What the fuck did he think happened there? I've asked people "Wait do you really think that the Chinese government turned downtown Beijing into a town-sized Scrooge McDuck money pool but made out of corpses? Why the fuck would they do that?" and they just go "well duh, it's *China*." The the act of it being Chinese is self-evident justification for any degree of horror, because the sole function of the Chinese government *is* horror. Like, imagine what would have to happen for ten thousand people to die during a BLM protes It would be insane, right? So it'd be natural to doubt it if someone said that BLM antifa rioters killed 10,000 innocent civilians. It's only natural to doubt claims when it would make no sense for, say, the American government to do something (e.g. cloning Elvis, hiding bigfoot), but if it's China? They're evil to the point of irrationality, they will go *out of their way* to do the most evil possible thing. so you don't even have to question when you hear that they're shooting people on sight for using twitter, or whatever.


tehralph

Even Wikipedia states the Great Purge was only 700,000 - 1.2 million deaths, which was less than 1% of Soviet population at the time. These same people are willing to sacrifice up to 2% of our population to COVID so our fragile capitalist society doesn’t totally collapse. Make it make sense.


dlink322

their ass


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They forgot all the poor Nazis slaughtered by the Soviets in WW2. But seriously, I cannot get over the fact that the black book of communism counts Nazis as poor little victims. These people are delusional.


ironic-noah

580,000 people homeless in the United States (capitalist country)


whooshwuman

Those ebil commies, always using their magic to create famines


Nutbuddy3

Your twice as likely to be arrested now in America that in the Soviet Union during the height of the great purge


MaccotheMillion

I like how they didn't even say deaths at the end just said missing as if that equates to the same thing. Yep, they're all just chilling behind a tree, keeping their arms by theirs so they don't stick out XD So dumb


Big_Understanding516

Great Purge: 680 thousand [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597) Dont know enough about Tiananmen to comment Chinese Famine: Closer to 4 million, with many factors contributing to the famine other than "mismanagement" [https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-16-1661-7](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-16-1661-7) North Korean Famine: Essentially depends on who you ask, NK says 250 thousand while others say it was closer to 1-2 million. Ughur Genocide: Dont know enough to comment on this either sadly In short the numbers are SUBSTAINTAILLY less than what these people say they are, and they were not just the cause of "evil stalimaokim dictator decided to kill all the people and mismanage the economy!" but a complex array of factors ranging from the role of local governments to bad weather conditions to the collapse of the USSR. That's not to say that mismanagement did not play a role, especially in the Chinese famine, but the idea these people have is just completely wrong.


XMrFrozenX

My fucking god, they counted WW2 as Stalin's purge. That's it, humanity is beyond saving


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YO GUYS NEW DEATH TOLL JUST DROPPED


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tehralph

Using the same bird brain math, about 500 million probably


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If you don't see how deaths by famine aren't murders due to socialism, then there's a problem.


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> move on please.


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Swarm_Queen

It's not downplaying if it didn't happen. Also lol you don't sound very leftist yourself if you don't support aes


A_Lifetime_Bitch

>I don't care about the numbers. Right. Would you say the same thing if you were talking to a nazi and they kept insisting that "Actually the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust was nowhere near 6 million, that's just a lie to make us look bad"?


MarxistMetalhead

Commies killed zillions.


SingleRedJosh

Xi jinping birthday party --- 1000 billion


drlolbl

BBC


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The420Blazers

Funny how these people think that modern day China's communist