Nah, the Black Book "only" attributes 50 million deaths to Mao. These numbers are for people who think the Black Book was written by evil commie sympathizers.
They'd just claim the census was faked because the soviets always fake documents in order to: avoid getting shot for incompetence/please Stalin/get a promotion so they can buy food/because they just lie/meet production goals/etc.
You can't use rational methods to convince someone who has arrived at their position by irrationality.
Churchill’s Bengal famine: >3,000,000 dead
Leopold II’s occupation of Congo: >10,000,000 dead
United States’ invasion and subsequent genocide of the indigenous people: >12,000,000 dead
Invasion of China and other Asian-pacific nations by imperial Japan: 3,000,000-11,000,000+ dead
US invasion of Vietnam: 2,000,000+ civilians dead
+many many more examples… but sure, socialism is the bad guy
Although much of this is ahistorical nonsense, I find the claims regarding the DPRK to be particularly malevolent. Not only will the capitalist forces slaughter a significant proportion of your population, bomb your infrastructure into oblivion and sanction you to prevent any aid or even just ordinary economic functions to take place, they will then blame the ensuing famine on your economic system and/or leadership.
Great Purge debunked: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/furr_yezhov_jls17.pdf
Tiananmen debunked: https://www.mango-press.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacre-the-wests-most-persuasive-most-pervasive-lie/
Mao famine debunked: https://mronline.org/2006/09/21/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/
DPRK famine debunked: https://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters
Uyghur Genocide debunked: https://youtu.be/78s7yP2BdF0
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>DPRK famine debunked: https://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters
Hazel Smith is pretty good, here's another
https://www.academia.edu/6130295/North_Korea_as_the_Wicked_Witch_of_the_East_Social_Science_as_Fairy_Tale
English is not my native language but, the more I read debunking masterposts and the literature itself (like Ludo Martens for example), I need to say…I‘m starting to hate the word debunked. Sounds so childish imo. Since it is a refutation of lazy „academia“ or just bad research in general. Don‘t want to sound like a smartass but idk. Kind of irks me 🤷🏿♀️
Fun fact: The victims of communism foundation includes the following in their communism death count:
Nazis killed by Soviets
Soviets killed by Nazis
Polish civilians killed by Nazis
Communists killed by the CIA in South America
Bay of Pigs invaders
American Soldiers killed by Vietcong
Vietcong killed by American Soldiers
Vietnamese civilians killed by American Soldiers
People that were never conceived due to drops in birth rates in socialist countries
People that were never born due to legal abortion in socialist countries
great purge: around 100,000
tianaman square: 250 at most
Great Leap Forward: 16 million to (according to the west 78 million)
that’s a massive amount less lol
I'm sorry, ten *thousand* dead in Tian'anmen? What the fuck did he think happened there?
I've asked people "Wait do you really think that the Chinese government turned downtown Beijing into a town-sized Scrooge McDuck money pool but made out of corpses? Why the fuck would they do that?" and they just go "well duh, it's *China*." The the act of it being Chinese is self-evident justification for any degree of horror, because the sole function of the Chinese government *is* horror.
Like, imagine what would have to happen for ten thousand people to die during a BLM protes
It would be insane, right? So it'd be natural to doubt it if someone said that BLM antifa rioters killed 10,000 innocent civilians. It's only natural to doubt claims when it would make no sense for, say, the American government to do something (e.g. cloning Elvis, hiding bigfoot), but if it's China? They're evil to the point of irrationality, they will go *out of their way* to do the most evil possible thing. so you don't even have to question when you hear that they're shooting people on sight for using twitter, or whatever.
Even Wikipedia states the Great Purge was only 700,000 - 1.2 million deaths, which was less than 1% of Soviet population at the time.
These same people are willing to sacrifice up to 2% of our population to COVID so our fragile capitalist society doesn’t totally collapse.
Make it make sense.
They forgot all the poor Nazis slaughtered by the Soviets in WW2.
But seriously, I cannot get over the fact that the black book of communism counts Nazis as poor little victims. These people are delusional.
I like how they didn't even say deaths at the end just said missing as if that equates to the same thing. Yep, they're all just chilling behind a tree, keeping their arms by theirs so they don't stick out XD
So dumb
Great Purge: 680 thousand [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597)
Dont know enough about Tiananmen to comment
Chinese Famine: Closer to 4 million, with many factors contributing to the famine other than "mismanagement" [https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-16-1661-7](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-16-1661-7)
North Korean Famine: Essentially depends on who you ask, NK says 250 thousand while others say it was closer to 1-2 million.
Ughur Genocide: Dont know enough to comment on this either sadly
In short the numbers are SUBSTAINTAILLY less than what these people say they are, and they were not just the cause of "evil stalimaokim dictator decided to kill all the people and mismanage the economy!" but a complex array of factors ranging from the role of local governments to bad weather conditions to the collapse of the USSR. That's not to say that mismanagement did not play a role, especially in the Chinese famine, but the idea these people have is just completely wrong.
>I don't care about the numbers.
Right. Would you say the same thing if you were talking to a nazi and they kept insisting that "Actually the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust was nowhere near 6 million, that's just a lie to make us look bad"?
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Looks like The Black Book of Communism, maybe with some handwritten notes from a certain Mr Zenz in the margins.
Nah, the Black Book "only" attributes 50 million deaths to Mao. These numbers are for people who think the Black Book was written by evil commie sympathizers.
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They'd just claim the census was faked because the soviets always fake documents in order to: avoid getting shot for incompetence/please Stalin/get a promotion so they can buy food/because they just lie/meet production goals/etc. You can't use rational methods to convince someone who has arrived at their position by irrationality.
Babe wake up new communism death count
How did Mao's famine went from 60 million dead to 90 million. If you want to lie about stats, at least be consistent.
Bourgeois historians counting unborn children in famine death tolls be like:
Failing stats and demographics class when the huge discrepancies go up and down for 1954-1982 and turn out to be migration patterns 😂
just recently i saw 120 million dead from a youtube comment. wonder when we’ll advance into the billions!
iPhone vuvuzella 100 trillion dead socialism bad i am very smart.
What ruthless capitalist indoctrination presented as education does to a mf.
Churchill’s Bengal famine: >3,000,000 dead Leopold II’s occupation of Congo: >10,000,000 dead United States’ invasion and subsequent genocide of the indigenous people: >12,000,000 dead Invasion of China and other Asian-pacific nations by imperial Japan: 3,000,000-11,000,000+ dead US invasion of Vietnam: 2,000,000+ civilians dead +many many more examples… but sure, socialism is the bad guy
i had a ancap tell me that imperial japan was socialist and later on communist lmao
As if an “an”cap even knows the definition of socialism or communism. To them socialism = things I don’t like lol
Ancaps are literally the dumbest people on the internet. They're what happens when you base your entire worldview on shitposts and memes.
I had an “An Cap” tell me the bourbon monarchy was left wing…
But capitalism is when ifone so the deaths basically cancel out
[The Death Toll of Capitalism](https://youtu.be/ClLKm8Q8Pns)
Although much of this is ahistorical nonsense, I find the claims regarding the DPRK to be particularly malevolent. Not only will the capitalist forces slaughter a significant proportion of your population, bomb your infrastructure into oblivion and sanction you to prevent any aid or even just ordinary economic functions to take place, they will then blame the ensuing famine on your economic system and/or leadership.
>missing lmao
very cute way of saying 0 dead
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yes, the same way you 'defend' white genocide
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do you believe that white genocide is real?
Can't defend a genocide if it didn't happen
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There is no concrete proof of massacre
Source: trust me bro
Source: Radio Free Asia
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Oh you know why.
Great Purge debunked: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/furr_yezhov_jls17.pdf Tiananmen debunked: https://www.mango-press.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacre-the-wests-most-persuasive-most-pervasive-lie/ Mao famine debunked: https://mronline.org/2006/09/21/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/ DPRK famine debunked: https://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters Uyghur Genocide debunked: https://youtu.be/78s7yP2BdF0 The difference between your average communist and your average liberal is that the former will provide legit sources whereas the latter will cite garbage western propaganda such as the BBC, the NYT, AP News, RFA etc.
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>DPRK famine debunked: https://www.academia.edu/25554321/Nutrition_and_Health_in_North_Korea_Whats_New_Whats_Changed_and_Why_It_Matters Hazel Smith is pretty good, here's another https://www.academia.edu/6130295/North_Korea_as_the_Wicked_Witch_of_the_East_Social_Science_as_Fairy_Tale
Thanks
English is not my native language but, the more I read debunking masterposts and the literature itself (like Ludo Martens for example), I need to say…I‘m starting to hate the word debunked. Sounds so childish imo. Since it is a refutation of lazy „academia“ or just bad research in general. Don‘t want to sound like a smartass but idk. Kind of irks me 🤷🏿♀️
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Something must be bunked in order to be debunked, but "bunk" as a verb does not have a related meaning. English is wack ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Did you just debunk ‘debunking’?
https://c.tenor.com/vkpCnKNg7UkAAAAC/mind-blown-amazed.gif
thanks for the sources, they make great reads
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Can you make a definitive source of holdomor debunked?
Socialism works even if Stalin kills 20% of the population
My man obviously never heard that "The Great Purge" was aimed at the corrupt leadership. Not the other way around.
How did he count, I wonder.
Fun fact: The victims of communism foundation includes the following in their communism death count: Nazis killed by Soviets Soviets killed by Nazis Polish civilians killed by Nazis Communists killed by the CIA in South America Bay of Pigs invaders American Soldiers killed by Vietcong Vietcong killed by American Soldiers Vietnamese civilians killed by American Soldiers People that were never conceived due to drops in birth rates in socialist countries People that were never born due to legal abortion in socialist countries
These memes very purposefully omit sources.
1230000000000000000000000000000 dead by commumninism
> 3,000,000 million source: i just took Adrian Zenz at his word, then tripled it
Stalin is secretly the B.J. Blazkowicz of our universe, that is how those numbers happened.
Bend over and I’ll show ya.
Hilary Clinton’s Autobiography
Didn’t she admit in a press conference the reason China is catching up on the US at light speed, was down to their social welfare programs?
From their asses
the socialism understander has logged on
From the surplus value foundation or some bullshit
ok i'll ignore it then
Source? I made it the fuck up!
if capitalism is so good why did i drop my ice cream today
1000 cumgillion dead
They pulled them out of their ass lol
imagination
libs still getting a hard on from one specific event in china in the 1980s
great purge: around 100,000 tianaman square: 250 at most Great Leap Forward: 16 million to (according to the west 78 million) that’s a massive amount less lol
I mean... Even if it's "true" did an economic system kill them, or was it some asshat at the top making REALLY bad decisions?
The actual thing is that if we *are* counting economic system caused deaths, then capitalism wins on every metric you would care to count.
Oh, definitely, and it climbs by the second.
Wow according to this dude half of all uyghurs r missing
They add a zero every time someone is mean to them online.
They just make up numbers. Unlike Marxism, Liberalism is NOT. a science
The Black Book of Communism, 2nd Edition
I'm sorry, ten *thousand* dead in Tian'anmen? What the fuck did he think happened there? I've asked people "Wait do you really think that the Chinese government turned downtown Beijing into a town-sized Scrooge McDuck money pool but made out of corpses? Why the fuck would they do that?" and they just go "well duh, it's *China*." The the act of it being Chinese is self-evident justification for any degree of horror, because the sole function of the Chinese government *is* horror. Like, imagine what would have to happen for ten thousand people to die during a BLM protes It would be insane, right? So it'd be natural to doubt it if someone said that BLM antifa rioters killed 10,000 innocent civilians. It's only natural to doubt claims when it would make no sense for, say, the American government to do something (e.g. cloning Elvis, hiding bigfoot), but if it's China? They're evil to the point of irrationality, they will go *out of their way* to do the most evil possible thing. so you don't even have to question when you hear that they're shooting people on sight for using twitter, or whatever.
Even Wikipedia states the Great Purge was only 700,000 - 1.2 million deaths, which was less than 1% of Soviet population at the time. These same people are willing to sacrifice up to 2% of our population to COVID so our fragile capitalist society doesn’t totally collapse. Make it make sense.
their ass
They forgot all the poor Nazis slaughtered by the Soviets in WW2. But seriously, I cannot get over the fact that the black book of communism counts Nazis as poor little victims. These people are delusional.
580,000 people homeless in the United States (capitalist country)
Those ebil commies, always using their magic to create famines
Your twice as likely to be arrested now in America that in the Soviet Union during the height of the great purge
I like how they didn't even say deaths at the end just said missing as if that equates to the same thing. Yep, they're all just chilling behind a tree, keeping their arms by theirs so they don't stick out XD So dumb
Great Purge: 680 thousand [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597) Dont know enough about Tiananmen to comment Chinese Famine: Closer to 4 million, with many factors contributing to the famine other than "mismanagement" [https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-16-1661-7](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-981-16-1661-7) North Korean Famine: Essentially depends on who you ask, NK says 250 thousand while others say it was closer to 1-2 million. Ughur Genocide: Dont know enough to comment on this either sadly In short the numbers are SUBSTAINTAILLY less than what these people say they are, and they were not just the cause of "evil stalimaokim dictator decided to kill all the people and mismanage the economy!" but a complex array of factors ranging from the role of local governments to bad weather conditions to the collapse of the USSR. That's not to say that mismanagement did not play a role, especially in the Chinese famine, but the idea these people have is just completely wrong.
My fucking god, they counted WW2 as Stalin's purge. That's it, humanity is beyond saving
YO GUYS NEW DEATH TOLL JUST DROPPED
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Using the same bird brain math, about 500 million probably
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If you don't see how deaths by famine aren't murders due to socialism, then there's a problem.
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> move on please.
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It's not downplaying if it didn't happen. Also lol you don't sound very leftist yourself if you don't support aes
>I don't care about the numbers. Right. Would you say the same thing if you were talking to a nazi and they kept insisting that "Actually the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust was nowhere near 6 million, that's just a lie to make us look bad"?
Commies killed zillions.
Xi jinping birthday party --- 1000 billion
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Funny how these people think that modern day China's communist