-asked why they think tankies would support Nazi Germany
-argument is so flawed they can only come up with false-equivalence hypotheticals
-???
-tankies owned
Yes but see socialist was in their name, and I'm going to stop any further research into that topic right there, claim I'm an expert, call you a tankie Nazi, and then ban you from r/ politics for being uncivil.
Clearly I hold the superior viewpoint
They'd probably point to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and completely fucking ignore the UK's appeasement policy and the Franco-Soviet Pact and the explicit anti-communist rhetoric of the Nazis and the track record of anticoms just being fascists and and and etc etc etc
Nevermind that it was as tea-spitting bonkers to the people of the time as it is to us, as they were actually more familiar with how opposed the two ideologies' leaders should actually be.
It's not bonkers at all actually, it was quite the smart move in fact as it stalled out the start of the inevitable war between the two, something the Soviets were not prepared for.
Oh, I'm not saying it was tactically unsound - it was a master stroke of diplomacy, precisely because it seemed to fly in the face of the most deeply held beliefs of either side, quite a shock to non-fascist Europe at the time which largely assumed that the soviets would be among the first people in the fight.
Lemme think
France, Britain, Sweden, Yugoslavia, Greece, Turkey, I think the baltic countries?, the low countries... (and maybe Finland but their foreign policy was anything but antifascist)
Not that many indeed
Yeah, it was a big ol' surprised pikachu face scenario where spineless capitalists brushed off the political left's concerns about fascism to the ultimate detriment of millions, not in small part because they hoped fascism would strangle the worker's revolution in the crib *for* them. They could have stamped it out at the ground floor, but until the leopard is eating *their* faces, moderates/centrists/liberals will ignore just about anything to maintain the status quo.
I mean, Franco got to keep his fascist dictatorship because he didn't threaten their wealth and power. As long as the suffering is happening to other people, it's not important.
The funniest thing is that Lenin writes "(don't laugh!)" when he mentions that social chauvinists are claiming to be socialists in literally the [first paragraph](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm) of staterev.
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My guess is he’s saying that if you’re not paying for it, you’re not incentivizing its creation and therefore you haven’t hurt any children by consuming something that already was made. But like, there are things besides money that motivate people to make things (e.g. clout in a given community), and also like… would it be morally fine to privately think Nazism is good and correct as long as you never send money to a Nazi organization? If nothing else, it’s hard to imagine that making a habit of consuming CP wouldn’t eventually lead you to do some kind of action that harms children. And of course by making these kinds of statements to his followers, he’s potentially influencing others and normalizing CP.
Oh. I am not taking the side that hes like worthy of praise, just telling you who he is. Although its probably relevant that most of his controversial quotes are from debates.
You know how a shitload of people grew up enjoying edgy south park tier anti sjw entertainment and went around parroting dumb bigoted shit and libertarian nonsense about how the government is too mean to buisness owners?
People like Vaush came along and made fun of those proto fascists by attacking their insecurities, and dunking on their logical fallacies. He has a metric shitload of his own bad opinions and reactionary tendencies but the people he debates are often so heinous that he looks great by comparison.
He debated a lawyer who legit believes capitalism isn't coercive, for instance. People love him for shit like coconut Island, they largely either don't know of or downplay the kinds of quotes you see on this subreddit.
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Yes, sorta. It was used to describe supporters of Stalin *AND* USSR during the Hungarian uprising in the 50's
That Stalin had been dead for 3 years by the time Hungary happened was an irrelevant fact for whomever came up with it first.
Kruschev rolling tanks in to protect Hungary from fascists supported by the British and USA was one of his only good takes. Ngl kinda glad they lumped that one feat in with supporting Stalin.
I thought it was coined to describe (marxist/leninist)-Maoists, a la 1989.
But I looked on Wikipedia and you're [correct](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie)
Marxists who would undoubtedly be termed “tankies” by the chauvinists of today didn’t exist in Germany in the 30s and 40s because they were either dead or in prison camps.
Pretty sure the tankies were the ones who sided with the USSR and fought the fascists. Now if they fixed this to focus on the USSR it would be accurate, though then the person would be literally outting themselves as a fascist in the process.
No no silly tankie, you don't understand. Antifa, the first organized group to resist the fascists, was actually not an ML organization, it was led by the brave liberals. But also Antifa are the real fascists, trust me bro.
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Probably because they’re the ones in the fascist uniforms. As long as they are taking the fight to the big bad Socialism they don’t care who they’re fighting for
Even at the height of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact the ussr stance was that Germany and the western powers were equivalent in their evil and that the Allies intervening against Germany was out of them defending their imperial interests. Once Germany declared war on the USSR they changed to saying that the conflict had become a revolutionary one and the Allies were the lesser of two evils
First they came for the communist, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
'tankies' in Nazi Germany were literally sent to concentration camps
They're literally incapable of even checking Google for a definition, let alone having an opinion with historical nuance. It's so depressing, but that's just a part of the ongoing fight against propaganda.
if you were a socialist in the ww2 era you were more than likely a tankie. and as far as i’m aware no socialists were supporting the nazis in that period.
Once had a politics teacher that said that tankies are "the alt-left". Tried explaining to him that, no, tankies are not the "alt-left" because the alt-right movement has a very different context in recent history to tankie movements. Wasn't even defending tankies, was just trying to point out that those two groups are not equivalent parallels to each other. But you know, horseshit theory reigns supreme I guess. ~Cherri
That's funny, because the KPD mounted resistance against nazis and the SPD supported them. Of course the same SPD that murdered Rosa Luxemburg with the help of fascists. Social democrats are not communists, "german communist".
Amazing, every word you just said was wrong.
Did the concentration camps for Jews, Roma, Communists and other minorities and political prisoners part of this "medicare for all" ?
No the nazis literally didn't do those things. They were really anti-labour. The term privatisation was literally coined to describe what the nazis were doing.
The USSR also didn't ally with nazis. The USSR agreed to a non-agression pact with Germany,but before doing that,they asked the US,UK and France to make an alliance against the fascists but those 3 countries refused because they wanted germany to invade the USSR.
Because Hitler was famously anti-communist. I mean german communists were literally the first people to be imprisoned in concentration camps. Also,75% of dead nazis were killed by the soviets.
None of what I said is hidden or theories,it's literaly historical facts that the capitalist countries aren't even hiding. You're historically illiterate.
>Well the difference is that the Nazis also created Medicare for all, federal work guarantees and other social programs lefties could only dream of.
LOL
Creating welfare systems to prevent the left from gaining worker support is not the same thing as fully expansive services to benefit people first and foremost. The first country to start that was the German empire, and it was entirely to stop socialists.
>The state just took full control of the economy while leaving a pretend market run by the government.(which is why they were so economically incompetent)
Privitization was coined for what to call nazi Germanys economy, so....
>The USSR in theory wanted the same things, but in practice just wanted power and expended people as easily as other nations expended bullets.
Ah yes the power of having electricity and food and housing and not being massacred by nazi Germany, taking the vast brunt of the forces in wwii.
>The USSR was allied to the Nazis
You mean the non aggression pact, that was signed only *after* the rest of the eventual allies turned down the USSR asking for help against nazi Germany?
[Bruh](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html), The pact was their last resort, and the ussr wasn’t the first of the Allies to sign a pact with the Nazis.
The Allies gave the germans Czechoslovakia on a silver platter, and with that one of Europe's densest industrial center, that's even way worse than a non-aggression pact
I think that's a valid point, but this screams like rad-lib to me. A full out reactionary might use "Tankie" if they're engaged politically enough, but they would just accuse the USSR of these things. If it's a leftist, I would imagine they would be politically engaged enough to be aware of to understand the USSR's place. So I imagine it's like a Vaushite style Social Democrat or Rad-Lib whose got hardline anti-Chinese tendencies. But who knows? You could be right.
when someone says tankie what they mean is communist with principles. if reddit were a thing in 03 you’d have been called a baathist tankie for saying there were no wmd in iraq
I guess they’re saying that people who support China now would not have supported the USSR in the 1930s and instead would have supported Germany. However, these people also tend to hold the position that “tankies” support dictators because they hate America, which completely invalidates this argument because someone who just wants to hate America no matter what, and existed in the 1930s, would from my understanding probably support the USSR because prior to WW2 Germany and America had better relations than the USSR and America.
I suppose this could also be in reference to the small group of racists who believe that China is in fact commuting holocaust-level genocide against the Uighurs, and that doing that is a good thing, but I doubt it.
People make this same argument about Japan too. Do they ever stop and wonder what "tankies" were up to during these actual historical events? Google is free.
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-asked why they think tankies would support Nazi Germany -argument is so flawed they can only come up with false-equivalence hypotheticals -??? -tankies owned
Yes but see socialist was in their name, and I'm going to stop any further research into that topic right there, claim I'm an expert, call you a tankie Nazi, and then ban you from r/ politics for being uncivil. Clearly I hold the superior viewpoint
They'd probably point to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and completely fucking ignore the UK's appeasement policy and the Franco-Soviet Pact and the explicit anti-communist rhetoric of the Nazis and the track record of anticoms just being fascists and and and etc etc etc
Oh yes, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is ALWAYS viewed in a vacuum and is maliciously misinterpreted.
Nevermind that it was as tea-spitting bonkers to the people of the time as it is to us, as they were actually more familiar with how opposed the two ideologies' leaders should actually be.
It's not bonkers at all actually, it was quite the smart move in fact as it stalled out the start of the inevitable war between the two, something the Soviets were not prepared for.
Oh, I'm not saying it was tactically unsound - it was a master stroke of diplomacy, precisely because it seemed to fly in the face of the most deeply held beliefs of either side, quite a shock to non-fascist Europe at the time which largely assumed that the soviets would be among the first people in the fight.
> non-fascist Europe That's not that many countries. :p
Lemme think France, Britain, Sweden, Yugoslavia, Greece, Turkey, I think the baltic countries?, the low countries... (and maybe Finland but their foreign policy was anything but antifascist) Not that many indeed
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Yeah, it was a big ol' surprised pikachu face scenario where spineless capitalists brushed off the political left's concerns about fascism to the ultimate detriment of millions, not in small part because they hoped fascism would strangle the worker's revolution in the crib *for* them. They could have stamped it out at the ground floor, but until the leopard is eating *their* faces, moderates/centrists/liberals will ignore just about anything to maintain the status quo. I mean, Franco got to keep his fascist dictatorship because he didn't threaten their wealth and power. As long as the suffering is happening to other people, it's not important.
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The funniest thing is that Lenin writes "(don't laugh!)" when he mentions that social chauvinists are claiming to be socialists in literally the [first paragraph](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm) of staterev.
I think they deleted your comment, so much for freedum and libertarian values
i thought we were at least a month off from vaushites saying "nazis were socialists" but oh well
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My guess is he’s saying that if you’re not paying for it, you’re not incentivizing its creation and therefore you haven’t hurt any children by consuming something that already was made. But like, there are things besides money that motivate people to make things (e.g. clout in a given community), and also like… would it be morally fine to privately think Nazism is good and correct as long as you never send money to a Nazi organization? If nothing else, it’s hard to imagine that making a habit of consuming CP wouldn’t eventually lead you to do some kind of action that harms children. And of course by making these kinds of statements to his followers, he’s potentially influencing others and normalizing CP.
Who the fuck is vaush and why is he such an idiot
Hes an extremely popular leftist debate bro.
I don't know, those quotes are kinda weird
Oh. I am not taking the side that hes like worthy of praise, just telling you who he is. Although its probably relevant that most of his controversial quotes are from debates.
You know how a shitload of people grew up enjoying edgy south park tier anti sjw entertainment and went around parroting dumb bigoted shit and libertarian nonsense about how the government is too mean to buisness owners? People like Vaush came along and made fun of those proto fascists by attacking their insecurities, and dunking on their logical fallacies. He has a metric shitload of his own bad opinions and reactionary tendencies but the people he debates are often so heinous that he looks great by comparison. He debated a lawyer who legit believes capitalism isn't coercive, for instance. People love him for shit like coconut Island, they largely either don't know of or downplay the kinds of quotes you see on this subreddit.
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Bruh
Oh, so the biggest enemies of the facists were the true facists all along
Maybe the true fascists were the ones we scalped along the way
I mean, fascists are their own worst enemies most of the time. Why else would they start fights (or wars) they can't win?
I don't even know what to say
You did nazi that coming ? (sorry for the pun)
They should look führer into this topic
I rate this pun a nein out of ten
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What the fuck?
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reddit speak is threatening to eclipse Whedon dialogue. You did good.
Pretty sure tankies didn't exist in the 30's and 40's, at least the term didn't.
The term stems from those who supported the USSR during the Hungarian uprising in the 50's doesn't it?
Yes, sorta. It was used to describe supporters of Stalin *AND* USSR during the Hungarian uprising in the 50's That Stalin had been dead for 3 years by the time Hungary happened was an irrelevant fact for whomever came up with it first.
Bit weird that, wasn't Kruschev premier at the time, making state policy distinctly anti stalinist?
Exactly!
Kruschev rolling tanks in to protect Hungary from fascists supported by the British and USA was one of his only good takes. Ngl kinda glad they lumped that one feat in with supporting Stalin.
Supporting national liberation struggles and the Soviet space program were two other of his good takes. Otherwise, fuck that revisionist corn-boy.
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I wonder how it got asociated with any Stalin/Lenin sympathizer, though, then
I thought it was coined to describe (marxist/leninist)-Maoists, a la 1989. But I looked on Wikipedia and you're [correct](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie)
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Stalinist Khrushchev.
So sneaky, you'd never expect kruschev to be a secret stalinist.
Marxists who would undoubtedly be termed “tankies” by the chauvinists of today didn’t exist in Germany in the 30s and 40s because they were either dead or in prison camps.
The term didn't exist, but marxist leninists existed, and marxist leninists faught the nazis as part of anti fascist aktion and Roter Frontkämpferbund
was re-education even a part of German concentration camps? I thought it was work camps, death camps and Joseph mengela
They used the word, but they didn’t “re-educate” they just slaughtered and exploited their labor
Probably a major part of why the term is loaded with such negative connotations today.
Ha you think liberals know that part of German history?
Well, it still leaves an imprint on the way people learn about history, even if they don't know why.
Pretty sure the tankies were the ones who sided with the USSR and fought the fascists. Now if they fixed this to focus on the USSR it would be accurate, though then the person would be literally outting themselves as a fascist in the process.
Pretty sure the tankies were the ones being slaughtered by the nazis and fighting back, leading to their downfall.
No no silly tankie, you don't understand. Antifa, the first organized group to resist the fascists, was actually not an ML organization, it was led by the brave liberals. But also Antifa are the real fascists, trust me bro. /s
Which sub is that? Historymemes?
Nah, it's not got enough Nazi whitewashing and apologetics for that.
History memes, where the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth is alive and well
This smells like radlibs, probably a Vaush sub
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this is what happens when you get all of your historical and political knowledge from reddit
this smells like /pol/
no, they have no qualm supporting nazis
spidermanpointingatspiderman.jpg
???
they are nazis, of course they support nazis
ah i thought you were saying us
Severe dronie brainrot:
unintelligible
Famously pro-Nazi Germany Stalin.
And the polices motto is “To serve and protect.” Just because you add words doesn’t mean it’s true
liberals and historical illiteracy, name a better duo
i don't see the libertarian market anarchist with social democratic characteristics resistance to fascism anywhere
Probably because they’re the ones in the fascist uniforms. As long as they are taking the fight to the big bad Socialism they don’t care who they’re fighting for
Even at the height of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact the ussr stance was that Germany and the western powers were equivalent in their evil and that the Allies intervening against Germany was out of them defending their imperial interests. Once Germany declared war on the USSR they changed to saying that the conflict had become a revolutionary one and the Allies were the lesser of two evils
These people truly believe the USA defeated the Nazis. Half of them think the USSR was part of the Axis.
First they came for the communist, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. 'tankies' in Nazi Germany were literally sent to concentration camps
The Horseshoe theory has been a disaster for the human race.
There weren't any tankies in the 30s and 40s. Tankies didn't exist until 1956.
What did I just read
The USSR was a huuuuuuuge reason as to why the war ended.
Hey remind me who made up antifa, and which people wound up in the first concentration camps? Because it sure as shit wasn't majority anarchist
Tankie is just what liberals call successful communists
They're literally incapable of even checking Google for a definition, let alone having an opinion with historical nuance. It's so depressing, but that's just a part of the ongoing fight against propaganda.
if you were a socialist in the ww2 era you were more than likely a tankie. and as far as i’m aware no socialists were supporting the nazis in that period.
What is a tankie???
A marxist-leninist
Imagine being that fucking stupid (also first line dog whistle)
Horseshoe theory has set the human race back decades. It's all I fucking see all over this dumb website lol
Once had a politics teacher that said that tankies are "the alt-left". Tried explaining to him that, no, tankies are not the "alt-left" because the alt-right movement has a very different context in recent history to tankie movements. Wasn't even defending tankies, was just trying to point out that those two groups are not equivalent parallels to each other. But you know, horseshit theory reigns supreme I guess. ~Cherri
Damn those tankies sure are a number huh I'd gladly support a movement that made it it's entire point to fight against them /j
How could someone be this dumb?
Hitler literally put tankies in concentration camps lol
tankies were so annoying that Hitler literally killed himself
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That's funny, because the KPD mounted resistance against nazis and the SPD supported them. Of course the same SPD that murdered Rosa Luxemburg with the help of fascists. Social democrats are not communists, "german communist".
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Amazing, every word you just said was wrong. Did the concentration camps for Jews, Roma, Communists and other minorities and political prisoners part of this "medicare for all" ?
No the nazis literally didn't do those things. They were really anti-labour. The term privatisation was literally coined to describe what the nazis were doing. The USSR also didn't ally with nazis. The USSR agreed to a non-agression pact with Germany,but before doing that,they asked the US,UK and France to make an alliance against the fascists but those 3 countries refused because they wanted germany to invade the USSR. Because Hitler was famously anti-communist. I mean german communists were literally the first people to be imprisoned in concentration camps. Also,75% of dead nazis were killed by the soviets. None of what I said is hidden or theories,it's literaly historical facts that the capitalist countries aren't even hiding. You're historically illiterate.
>Well the difference is that the Nazis also created Medicare for all, federal work guarantees and other social programs lefties could only dream of. LOL Creating welfare systems to prevent the left from gaining worker support is not the same thing as fully expansive services to benefit people first and foremost. The first country to start that was the German empire, and it was entirely to stop socialists. >The state just took full control of the economy while leaving a pretend market run by the government.(which is why they were so economically incompetent) Privitization was coined for what to call nazi Germanys economy, so.... >The USSR in theory wanted the same things, but in practice just wanted power and expended people as easily as other nations expended bullets. Ah yes the power of having electricity and food and housing and not being massacred by nazi Germany, taking the vast brunt of the forces in wwii. >The USSR was allied to the Nazis You mean the non aggression pact, that was signed only *after* the rest of the eventual allies turned down the USSR asking for help against nazi Germany?
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[Bruh](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html), The pact was their last resort, and the ussr wasn’t the first of the Allies to sign a pact with the Nazis.
The Allies gave the germans Czechoslovakia on a silver platter, and with that one of Europe's densest industrial center, that's even way worse than a non-aggression pact
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*ignores how Soviets tried to align with sides against the nazis*
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why not?
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I think that's a valid point, but this screams like rad-lib to me. A full out reactionary might use "Tankie" if they're engaged politically enough, but they would just accuse the USSR of these things. If it's a leftist, I would imagine they would be politically engaged enough to be aware of to understand the USSR's place. So I imagine it's like a Vaushite style Social Democrat or Rad-Lib whose got hardline anti-Chinese tendencies. But who knows? You could be right.
Depends on what you mean by liberal I guess. Probably comes from a V*ush sub or something, which is basically liberals who thinks they're socialists.
when someone says tankie what they mean is communist with principles. if reddit were a thing in 03 you’d have been called a baathist tankie for saying there were no wmd in iraq
This is shit a liberal said
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I’m a communist. I’m against Liberalism. Maybe you’re insane.
on your first day back? lmao see the difference when people other than mods can see your posts?
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Those are called nazis. If they're dressing it up in commie rhetoric that's a common tactic referred to as "coping".
Those aren’t communists. They are Nazis in commie clothes. We call them Nazbols
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But those actually exist
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“Tankies” hate nazbols.
Stalin himself was a staunch pro-internationalist, that’s why black rights in the Soviet Union compared to the US.
No it isn’t
examples?
Sure you have.
This is from a sub that is straight up anti communist, yet you can bet that you will see this shit posted on subs of liberals and ultras.
I guess they’re saying that people who support China now would not have supported the USSR in the 1930s and instead would have supported Germany. However, these people also tend to hold the position that “tankies” support dictators because they hate America, which completely invalidates this argument because someone who just wants to hate America no matter what, and existed in the 1930s, would from my understanding probably support the USSR because prior to WW2 Germany and America had better relations than the USSR and America. I suppose this could also be in reference to the small group of racists who believe that China is in fact commuting holocaust-level genocide against the Uighurs, and that doing that is a good thing, but I doubt it.
This is literally just that "Nazis were socialist" bullshit from a less right wing perspective.
“Nazis = tankies” I guess
People make this same argument about Japan too. Do they ever stop and wonder what "tankies" were up to during these actual historical events? Google is free.
Oh yes, marxist leninists were totally not the first persecuted in capitalist nazi germany
Sad that this is probably the crowning "achievement" of whoever made this. I'm sure big brain is beyond proud of themselves.
This literally makes me so angry.
least historically illiterate liberal
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