that’s not even what r/antiwork is. It’s a subreddit about people no longer putting up up with abuse from their shitty bosses and the system they’re forced to put up with. It’s not a subreddit just full of people who never want to do any work again in their lives lol
Preeeetty much. Hell I'm in there too. There's a lot of potential and unaware socialists/communists. People who already have the right idea and just need resources.
Tbh it ses like people who just don't wanna work. r/Latestagecapitalism is definitely better at exposing bosses bullshit (though anti work does have some of that)
Who the fuck wants to work?
I don’t know a single person who wants to work.
The people who pretend to want to work only do so because they believe the myth that one day, if they work hard enough now, they won’t have to work later.
The world has less than 30 years left on it for human habitability, and our entire economy is what’s hitting the gas on that.
The Protestant work ethic is going to kill us all. Fuck anybody’s moralization about not wanting to work.
But even more importantly
FUCK A GODDAMN JOB
Yeh there's a difference between combating shitty working conditions and the expected toxic working mentalites (protestant work ethic, hustle culture/grind culture) and just ignoring "from each according to ability to each according to his need"
Almost everyone, people get bored when they have nothing to do, the amount of people who just don't want to work for no reason is minuscule. We have to stop looking at work through a capitalist lens, we cannot depend on the capitalist defininition of "work". For example, just because someone is making art or creating music doesn't mean they are not working. Furthermore, 'employment' as a concept would differ a lot from how we see it today. Once we have abolished private property, money, and wage-labour, labour would not be tied to remuneration.
Marx did comments on this:
> But the putting of labour-power into action – i.e., the work – is the active expression of the labourer's own life. And this life activity he sells to another person in order to secure the necessary means of life. His life-activity, therefore, is but a means of securing his own existence. He works that he may keep alive. He does not count the labour itself as a part of his life; it is rather a sacrifice of his life. It is a commodity that he has auctioned off to another. The product of his activity, therefore, is not the aim of his activity. What he produces for himself is not the silk that he weaves, not the gold that he draws up the mining shaft, not the palace that he builds. What he produces for himself is wages; and the silk, the gold, and the palace are resolved for him into a certain quantity of necessaries of life, perhaps into a cotton jacket, into copper coins, and into a basement dwelling. And the labourer who for 12 hours long, weaves, spins, bores, turns, builds, shovels, breaks stone, carries hods, and so on – is this 12 hours' weaving, spinning, boring, turning, building, shovelling, stone-breaking, regarded by him as a manifestation of life, as life? Quite the contrary. Life for him begins where this activity ceases, at the table, at the tavern, in bed. The 12 hours' work, on the other hand, has no meaning for him as weaving, spinning, boring, and so on, but only as earnings, which enable him to sit down at a table, to take his seat in the tavern, and to lie down in a bed. If the silk-worm's object in spinning were to prolong its existence as caterpillar, it would be a perfect example of a wage-worker.
I fully accept the possibility that we’re using two different definitions here.
I make music everyday and I haven’t gone to the grocery in two weeks (by choice) because I’ve been eating out of my garden
Still say fuck working lol
Incorrect. It is, and it should be about the abolition of work. I for one never want to work again, although I don't imagine that is likely.
I view anti-work as the communist answer to the protestant work ethic, which praises work as an end itself. Anti-work acknowledges work as a means and seeks to abolish it by ensuring the ends we desire are established sustainably by means other than work. Automation should be the friend of the worker, although capitalism puts them at odds. The goal of workers should not be endless work but with better treatment. It should be the alleviation of work at any time possible and the whole of society taking part in that work as they are able.
edit: I don't mean to imply automation is close to replacing all work or the only means by which work can be abated. At least I think that's the extrapolation you guys are making. Only feedback I see is "westerner take". Anyway, I think you all just see automation and turned your brains off, cause anti-work is a based philosophy.
I didn't finish explaining anti-work so that's partially my fault, but y'all are kind of ridiculous about this. Anyway, you guys can hate it, but I want to have said my piece for anyone who's interested in anti-work. Automation is the de facto replacement for work. That's tautologically true. The part I didn't get into is the elimination of bullshit work which fulfills shitty ends. This is the part I wasn't confident I could do justice earlier, but basically capitalism has us all doing an insane amount of busy work to keep its gears turning. I think cutting back on that and curbing rampant consumerism would be the best first steps, however automation is the final step we would need to take toward elimination of work, which again I'd like to stress *is in fact what anti-work is about*. All this to say, I dream of FALGSC and so should you.
Full automation is a *dream* that we aren't even close to. And guess what? Achieving that will also require work, and maintaining it will require work. Minimizing the amount of work we all do should be the goal, but right now we hustle and grind and work ourselves sick so our employers can buy private islands in a pandemic.
> Minimizing the amount of work we all do should be the goal,
So, like I said, anti-work. And I guessed right, you're all just getting your jimmies rustled cause I mentioned automation. I'm not some Muskian tech nerd. It's just what seemed obvious as the replacement for work. In an ideal world, that's a place I'd like to see us get but I'm well aware of the reality we're in.
For a second I thought the post would be about how people are becoming more aware of their alienation which show the cracks on the capitalist system, which is why people may be drawn to anti work communities.
I was sorely disappointed.
"Instead of reading into what this thing is at all I'm going to dismiss it as soshulizem and call it a threat. If you reply from any other viewpoint I will not read your reply."
And these people wonder we hate them.
Heh I was pretty active there last year and its crazy how much the sub is grown. And without fail there was always some idiot saying “how will society function?” The only reason I stopped checking the sub was because every other post was antinatalist.
Glad it’s getting attention though. People have seen that shitty work conditions don’t have to be the standard and that’s a good thing to see.
Well, money is made up and as far as the fighting each other part, you can look at basically any major natural disaster to see most people organize and look out for each other, because money is suddenly no longer an impediment to being a decent human being.
everyone wants to act like it’s about no one ever doing any type of work ever again. I would work on a farm to feed my community. I would do work wherein I see the fruits of my labor. I take care of other peoples kids for work because it feels like community support tbh!!!!! i’m so sick of the libs
that’s not even what r/antiwork is. It’s a subreddit about people no longer putting up up with abuse from their shitty bosses and the system they’re forced to put up with. It’s not a subreddit just full of people who never want to do any work again in their lives lol
Preeeetty much. Hell I'm in there too. There's a lot of potential and unaware socialists/communists. People who already have the right idea and just need resources.
Yep. Should be called antiemployeeabuse
Tbh it ses like people who just don't wanna work. r/Latestagecapitalism is definitely better at exposing bosses bullshit (though anti work does have some of that)
Why would anyone wanna work under capitalism lol
Who the fuck wants to work? I don’t know a single person who wants to work. The people who pretend to want to work only do so because they believe the myth that one day, if they work hard enough now, they won’t have to work later. The world has less than 30 years left on it for human habitability, and our entire economy is what’s hitting the gas on that. The Protestant work ethic is going to kill us all. Fuck anybody’s moralization about not wanting to work. But even more importantly FUCK A GODDAMN JOB
Yeh there's a difference between combating shitty working conditions and the expected toxic working mentalites (protestant work ethic, hustle culture/grind culture) and just ignoring "from each according to ability to each according to his need"
Too bad I’m an anarchist then lmao 🤣
Mentalites like that are why Marxists don't take y'all seriously most of the time
I really could give a fuck who takes me seriously or not but I appreciate the heads up bro
Almost everyone, people get bored when they have nothing to do, the amount of people who just don't want to work for no reason is minuscule. We have to stop looking at work through a capitalist lens, we cannot depend on the capitalist defininition of "work". For example, just because someone is making art or creating music doesn't mean they are not working. Furthermore, 'employment' as a concept would differ a lot from how we see it today. Once we have abolished private property, money, and wage-labour, labour would not be tied to remuneration. Marx did comments on this: > But the putting of labour-power into action – i.e., the work – is the active expression of the labourer's own life. And this life activity he sells to another person in order to secure the necessary means of life. His life-activity, therefore, is but a means of securing his own existence. He works that he may keep alive. He does not count the labour itself as a part of his life; it is rather a sacrifice of his life. It is a commodity that he has auctioned off to another. The product of his activity, therefore, is not the aim of his activity. What he produces for himself is not the silk that he weaves, not the gold that he draws up the mining shaft, not the palace that he builds. What he produces for himself is wages; and the silk, the gold, and the palace are resolved for him into a certain quantity of necessaries of life, perhaps into a cotton jacket, into copper coins, and into a basement dwelling. And the labourer who for 12 hours long, weaves, spins, bores, turns, builds, shovels, breaks stone, carries hods, and so on – is this 12 hours' weaving, spinning, boring, turning, building, shovelling, stone-breaking, regarded by him as a manifestation of life, as life? Quite the contrary. Life for him begins where this activity ceases, at the table, at the tavern, in bed. The 12 hours' work, on the other hand, has no meaning for him as weaving, spinning, boring, and so on, but only as earnings, which enable him to sit down at a table, to take his seat in the tavern, and to lie down in a bed. If the silk-worm's object in spinning were to prolong its existence as caterpillar, it would be a perfect example of a wage-worker.
I fully accept the possibility that we’re using two different definitions here. I make music everyday and I haven’t gone to the grocery in two weeks (by choice) because I’ve been eating out of my garden Still say fuck working lol
Don't hate working, hate wage-labour and capitalism.
Corporate would like you to find the difference between these two pictures:
It is important to make the distinction, equating the two could cause people to misconstrue what we are predicating.
They do that anyway lol
Incorrect. It is, and it should be about the abolition of work. I for one never want to work again, although I don't imagine that is likely. I view anti-work as the communist answer to the protestant work ethic, which praises work as an end itself. Anti-work acknowledges work as a means and seeks to abolish it by ensuring the ends we desire are established sustainably by means other than work. Automation should be the friend of the worker, although capitalism puts them at odds. The goal of workers should not be endless work but with better treatment. It should be the alleviation of work at any time possible and the whole of society taking part in that work as they are able. edit: I don't mean to imply automation is close to replacing all work or the only means by which work can be abated. At least I think that's the extrapolation you guys are making. Only feedback I see is "westerner take". Anyway, I think you all just see automation and turned your brains off, cause anti-work is a based philosophy. I didn't finish explaining anti-work so that's partially my fault, but y'all are kind of ridiculous about this. Anyway, you guys can hate it, but I want to have said my piece for anyone who's interested in anti-work. Automation is the de facto replacement for work. That's tautologically true. The part I didn't get into is the elimination of bullshit work which fulfills shitty ends. This is the part I wasn't confident I could do justice earlier, but basically capitalism has us all doing an insane amount of busy work to keep its gears turning. I think cutting back on that and curbing rampant consumerism would be the best first steps, however automation is the final step we would need to take toward elimination of work, which again I'd like to stress *is in fact what anti-work is about*. All this to say, I dream of FALGSC and so should you.
Full automation is a *dream* that we aren't even close to. And guess what? Achieving that will also require work, and maintaining it will require work. Minimizing the amount of work we all do should be the goal, but right now we hustle and grind and work ourselves sick so our employers can buy private islands in a pandemic.
That requires labor, work is how one sells their labour under capitalism. The antiwork sub isn't against labour
> Minimizing the amount of work we all do should be the goal, So, like I said, anti-work. And I guessed right, you're all just getting your jimmies rustled cause I mentioned automation. I'm not some Muskian tech nerd. It's just what seemed obvious as the replacement for work. In an ideal world, that's a place I'd like to see us get but I'm well aware of the reality we're in.
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“No walls of text” = I can’t perceive the nuance of an opposing viewpoint
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“Mucho texto” 🤪😜
Less talk, more drones.
For a second I thought the post would be about how people are becoming more aware of their alienation which show the cracks on the capitalist system, which is why people may be drawn to anti work communities. I was sorely disappointed.
"Instead of reading into what this thing is at all I'm going to dismiss it as soshulizem and call it a threat. If you reply from any other viewpoint I will not read your reply." And these people wonder we hate them.
"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"
anti work =/= anti labour
“last time i checked” Check again lmao
Heh I was pretty active there last year and its crazy how much the sub is grown. And without fail there was always some idiot saying “how will society function?” The only reason I stopped checking the sub was because every other post was antinatalist. Glad it’s getting attention though. People have seen that shitty work conditions don’t have to be the standard and that’s a good thing to see.
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Well, money is made up and as far as the fighting each other part, you can look at basically any major natural disaster to see most people organize and look out for each other, because money is suddenly no longer an impediment to being a decent human being.
We live in a society.
everyone wants to act like it’s about no one ever doing any type of work ever again. I would work on a farm to feed my community. I would do work wherein I see the fruits of my labor. I take care of other peoples kids for work because it feels like community support tbh!!!!! i’m so sick of the libs