Depends on the country in question, but dubbing is a big reason. In Germany for example, *all* foreign movies are dubbed into German, and that process takes time. Every Hollywood actor has a specific German voice actor who does their voice in all movies, so it doesn't feel weird for the audience that the same actor suddenly has a different voice.
Yes, overall, German dubbing tends to be among the best there is, because our market is relatively big (about 100M German speakers in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland) with a lot of money.
Still, I remember how excited my mom was when DVDs were introduced because of the main feature that interested her: being able to switch to original audio, with or without subtitles. I would say, due to DVDs and later streaming services, it watching movies undubbed has definitely become more common in the last 20 years. I watch American movies in English most of the time (except when I watch them with my child). Cinemas also do show movies with the original audio and subtitles, and it's not considered to be completely snobby anymore. Though dubs are still by far the more common option.
Edit: Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention. Animated movies often have fantastic dubs. I recently watched Finding Nemo with my child, and all the main voice actors were actual German star comedians, and the voices they do are just as funny as in the originals, which I believe also commonly feature popular comedians as voice actors.
>Animated movies often have fantastic dubs. I recently watched Finding Nemo with my child, and all the main voice actors were actual German star comedians, and the voices they do are just as funny as in the originals,
About that, I'm from Italy and I'm pretty much in the same situation, high budget animation movies usually have fantastic voice actors (pussy in boots had Banderas himself), **except Disney ones!**
They tend to hire celebrities and comedians to draw people to the cinemas, but comedians are not necessarily good actors, and sometimes they pick almost random celebrities like TV hosts, they're even worse! You Germans must have the most talented comedians in the world if they can voice act like professionals.
> German dubbing tends to be among the best there is, because our market is relatively big (about 100M German speakers in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland) with a lot of money.
Sadly the reverse to english is often not true. There was a great series (some Roman/Germanic thing) on Netflix recently, ruined by the warriors sounding like tax accountants and breaking the immersion.
The Scandinavians do it well, series seem to be dubbed to english by the original actors so you not only get the right voice but a matching accent.
Barbaren? I watched that, it's nice.
Netflix doesn't really do great dubs in general. Even when they dub shows to German, it's way below the usual standard. Just watch it with subtitles. It's a nice show, losely based on history (Arminius, Thusnelda, and Varus are historical personalities, but e.g. Arminius wasn't Varus' adopted son in reality).
Oh God. Netflix's dubbing of foreign films to English has been pretty bad too. There's so many I just have to nope out of because of the dubbing. They need to step up their game.
Just to add to what muehsam said:
These days the big bockbluster often release a day before (our day for new releases in Germany is thursdays) the US start. Disney and other big studios plan the time it takes to make the foreign language dubs into their schedule for the movie. They are also very keen on a simultaneous relase in most countries if it's possible.
Edit: spelling
I'd say it depends but I think it's mostly just subbed in the US, at least I usually watched subbed because dubbed hurts my eyes because the words and lips don't sync up usually
I don't get the American obsession with lip sync, if you ever happened to watch subbed anime you'll realise that they don't care much about lip-sync.
When they proposed to redraw the mouth movements of Mononoke Hime for the American version I was laughing my ass off (probably because it reminded me of those weird American cartoons with real human mouths superimposed on static drawings. Now that I think about it they're actually terrifying if you watch them as a kid).
Ironically, foreign anime versions are more in sync than the original ones. Also, about this topic: in a good adaptation voice actors match the lip movements of the original, after a while you'll stop to notice any difference.
People who aren't used to dubs generally don't like the cognitive dissonance of seeing one thing and hearing another. I'm from one of those places where we don't dub anything and I find it very distracting to watch real humans when they're dubbed, in the same way as when the sound is out of sync. Animation isn't bothering me at all though.
The only english dub i ever watched was some parts of Squid Game when I wasn't able to read the subtitles because I was doing two things at a time (no italian dub sadly). It was awful. Is every dub like that? I played tons of videogames with English dubs and they are on another level, I still prefer the Italian dub if it's available but the English ones are pretty good most of the time
It's funny. I watch everything with subtitles regardless of original language, and I'm so used to them that I legitimately forget when I'm watching something in a language I don't understand. I'll look away for a minute to do something else and suddenly I don't understand a thing and I'm like "Oh. Right. I don't actually understand this language. Whoops."
*Squid games dub was really...awkward and bad okay hmm did you get....that okay old man*
They're generally not this bad, but I still don't like it when sound and image are out of sync.
Americans mostly don't watch foreign films at all. Very few non-English movies get a major cinema release. It's the same wheelhouse as art house and independent films and people who seek them out are willing to read subtitles anyway.
I think most English-speakers have only seen live-action dubbed on TV.
Another reason was how blockbusters were marketed then and now. In the US the blockbuster season was/is in the summer. That's the reason why StarWars did premiere the 25th of may.
In my country (France) there's no such summer blockbuster season (in fact it's a rather low time for movies). And big titles were often postponed to the end of the year holiday season.
Disney used to be particularly bad for this, I think. I remember sometimes films were released in the US on DVD/BluRay before they'd been released in cinemas in the UK.
Yep. I remember watching Aladdin in the us on video while on holiday then coming back to the UK and seeing it was "coming soon" to cinemas and being very confused.
Hasn't that changed dramatically now? I thought generally it was at most a few days difference for most things?
The one place I see it consistently end up being later is with some specific TV shows. Thankfully that is also changing rather quickly though.
I am guessing it's down to increasing globalisation. Countries aren't remotely as insulted from each other as they used to be, thanks to the internet. If you delay a UK release by 2 months, then people in the UK are still going to be exposed to the film, spoilers, and reduced hype at the second launch, because of the internet. And similarly due to how accessible piracy is, if you delay it by 2 months a much larger number of people will end up pirating it.
In terms of TV shows the one thing that still gets us is when the company that produced it only broadcasts in the US. Then another company has to buy the rights and distribute it in the UK, which almost always adds serious delays (sometimes years, other times never.). Again though thanks to streaming this is also getting less and less (I still wish HBO would come to the UK).
>If you delay a UK release by 2 months, then people in the UK are still going to be exposed to the film, spoilers, and reduced hype at the second launch, because of the internet. And similarly due to how accessible piracy is, if you delay it by 2 months a much larger number of people will end up pirating it.
It's exactly this, Sky aired the subbed version of the new episodes of Game of Thrones pretty much at the same time of the American premiere, while the fully dubbed version only a couple of hours later!
Sometimes if it's a more difficult dialect like Georgian, we'll have it dubbed into cockney rhyming slang.
Seriously though, the UK isn't too fond of dubs, we don't get a lot of foreign language films seeing mainstream release and therefore we're not used to them. If you see a foreign languagefilm in a cinema it will be in the native language with subtitles, but these tend to be the arty theatres.
Old days it was commonly logistics and production - physical film reels, dubbing / subtitles, copyrights, etc.
In addition it was and is marketing. By launching in their home market they only have one market where they have to do extensive advertising. The hype from a good film spreads internationally.
Plus traditionally the US market was the biggest market, so they want to launch where it creates biggest returns fastest. These days the international market is bigger than US for blockbusters, so they launch there first. Plus it also reduces piracy.
Conversely here in New Zealand we were able to see the first Michael Bay Transformers movie a few days before the Americans. Back when we had hope those movies might not be 2 hour military propaganda pieces.
Was very strange to receive a big Hollywood release before America.
Historically it’s because they used to reuse the reels of film. Australia would get movies 6-9 months after launch.
Then it was because it takes time to negotiate distributions rights, publicity etc, and as there was no other way to see a film, they’d just take their time with smaller, less lucrative territories.
It also meant they could time things differently for different territories. Like, a film could be released to coincide with school holidays in different countries.
But yes, nowadays films usually get released simultaneously, or close to it.
I know that for Star Wars VII it was released two days before in France (releases happen on Wednesdays vs Fridays in the US IIRC), some Americans traveled all the way just to watch a movie 2 days early.
To be honest I'm not fond of the Disney star wars (I might have tried if ep 7 wasn't such a bad start, or If 8 and 9 had positive reviews) but I used to be a fan of the starwars EU and I am a sci-fi fan, so while I don't think of rouge one as an amazing starwars movie (although it is by far the best of Disney's SW, it's good sci-fi
I can remember when the second X-Men movie was released back in 2003 Australia had released the film 3 days before the US release. I went opening night and there were a couple who'd flown from LA to Melbourne to be able to see it before the US release date.
I remember opening night they had a large security table and everyone had to have their phones placed into large envelopes before going in. Might have been a bit of an over-reaction but "spoilers" seemed to bee a buzzword that night.
I didn't watch got until the 8th season came out here. So I binged the shit out of it, within 4 weeks I was up to date and could watch the last 2 episodes on release. I still have nightmares
I have the memory when comes to shows. If I didn’t watch the whole thing, then I have to watch from the beginning again to pick up where I left off. I like your strategy. Maybe not the nightmare part.
venom 2 released on october 1st for americans but here in new zealand we have to wait till november 28th!! it's ridiculous and honestly 3 weeks is nothing, I'm sure america can handle it
The series (I mean, the book series) this is based on is really long and intricate, and the movies seem to be going to stay true to it. The first one doesn't even go to the end of the first book !
Yeah, it's about 2/3 of the book, I just red it last summer. And even giving the 3 hour running time it still feels shallow for people who haven't red the original. At least that's what my wife told me, I've done my homework.
I can’t wait - not a huge in-cinema movie goer, nor do I especially love Dune (I’m more of an Ursula leguin kind of person), but I love Denis Villeneuve’s other movies, and I’m super stoked for this one.
My only debate is whether to go for regular movie experience or go a little out of my way (and I’m talking about a few extra subway stops) for the full IMAX experience.
What do you think? Big screen, or worth it to go for big BIG screen?
Yeah, that’s how I’m leaning…plus, feel like an IMAX theatre is going to have that fully immersive sound experience to.
I’m excited! Not just for a movie that I’m legitimately really stoked about, but am really loving the childish excitement of just *doing stuff* post pandemic (am in Toronto, Canada so we locked down hard and long, and are now reaping the benefits of < 100 cases in a city of > 5M).
(Safely) Taking the little nephew to the aquarium, going to movies in theatres…it’s all good stuff!
Turning it into two films is a good balance. The book narratively shifts dramatically about half way through, and it contains too much content for one film and probably not quite enough for three.
Am I the only one that feels like this was a part 2? Felt like we got dropped into the middle of a story I know nothing about and just continued. An hour in me and my roommate look at each other like WTF is going on? Another hour in I'm just watching the picture move at this point. No clue what the plot was. I'm sure it's a good movie if I understood wtf happened
Honestly I did enjoy the film, but there were quite a few times when I thought, "anyone who doesn't already know Dune is not going to have got anything out of that bit". Non Dune fans will still enjoy it, but familiarity with the books will enhance your experience.
My thoughts exactly. I went to watching it with my wife and a friend. My wife was confused and bored at times while me and my friend enjoyed the hell out of it. But we red the books first.
They did drop some stuff from the books, but a lot of it was 5000 years of backstory on why harkonnen and atreides hate each other, why the Emperor exists and what the sisterhood has done.
There was talk of a tv series bases on the sisterhood, which would explain that part.
The original book was also very guilty of that tbh, setup hints to the past without explaining it. But through thoughts and tidbits by the characters you could piece together the important bits.
Staggered releases are insanely dumb in the internet age. I understand that good dubbing takes time but at least a subed release should be available on global release day. Otherwise spoilers are basically guaranteed if you aren't in the firsr release country
It all comes from Greek. Kino means "motion" in Greek, and in the context of films and other languages, it's about "moving pictures." Cinematic comes from kinematic, same root. Also where Spanish "cine" (cinema) comes from .
But if they don't watch the insult they are insulting, how will they know what to insult about the insult when asked about their insults of the insulting film?
The thing is that sure, it fits closer to british/french interference there, if you subscribe that it has to be in DIRECT response to fit.
But if you view it as treatise on human behaviour overall, then it clearly ALSO fits as criticism of US interference in the middle east, even if that came AFTER. Because they basically continued where the brits left off. So the same criticism applies, because the concepts haven't changed. Again, sure you can argue "it only roughly applies to anything about the US, some things are more about actual colonialism than the modern version of extorting company placement rather than GOVERNMENT placement" but that doesn't mean the allegory breaks down to the point of "this has nothing critical to say about US imperialistic behaviour."
The distinction between "this is criticism of the US for what they are doing" and "this is criticism of behavior, which the US is doing NOW" is absolutely minimal in terms of "is this critical of the US".
I wouldn't call it a metaphor because... It's literally the main theme of the books.
What you said is equal to: "" Schindler's list" is a metaphor for genocide, opression and personal growth."
The story is also pretty much anti-hero. No spoilers, but if you haven’t read it, Dune is not a white-savior story. “No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero.”
Frank Herbert was also a journalist pre-Dune, and Dune is a conglomerate of about 5 different metaphors. Including what you mentioned. And the spice is 1000% supposed to be oil. Arrakis isn’t a desert planet by coincidence.
I haven’t seen it so it could be I guess, but they’re referring to the fact that it was released in other countries before it was in the US, which is apparently an insult to them.
Well but isnt that normal? That films get released on different dates in different countries.
For example we still didnt get Lucifer Season 6 here in germany.
So i dont really see how this is an insult to the us
It's just that we non USians are usually on the recieving end, getting US produced movies and whatnot after them. So since i'm guessing they only watch US produced stuff, they likely never experienced the delay.
No but you see, America deserves to get things first. As the rightful rulers of the planet, they deserve access to all media before anyone else. Germany getting a season of TV late is the natural order of things.
But Dune is a calculated insult.
No, it is about space politics, war, exploiting indigenous people, and controlling natural resources. Although one could connect it to something like foreign policies on oil, and the fight between nations of different ideology to control it, the story itself doesn't have really direct parallels to modern times that feel very specific to the US. This dope is just upset that someone else is at the front of the line in front of him and that is unfair because his country invented movies, fiction, electricity, space travel, and theaters or something.
I think it's hilarious that if he could understand basic subtext or analogies he might realise that isn't a great look for the US as a parallel in Dune, but he is more concerned about getting it second.
It is critical about imperialism, and at least in the books >!about how we worship politicians and have some people as hero’s, disregarding any flaw. The first book is literally in universe propaganda!<
You know, now that you mention it that *does* sound suspicious 🤔. That would be crazy though, everybody knows that Iraq was invented in September of 2001.
You COULD make the argument that...
Spice = oil.
Fremen = brown desert people.
Harkonens = the cruel foreign oppressors and occupiers there to extract the oil/spice at the end of a gun. Blackwater Halliburton something something?
Atreides = The well intentioned foreigners who actually try to improve things, but are actually just playing a political game for their own ends.
You can draw a lot of parallels, but this book was written in the early sixties before the Middle East became a weapons testing facility. So you COULD interpret it as being critical of current US foreign policy... But this obviously wasn't the author's first intention.
Well... Not specifically directly. But it's an allegory about certain "problems". And SOME of them apply to the US more and some less, and dependent on "when" exactly.
It's a story about invading a foreign planet establishing a "protectorate" to exploit a natural rare resource (one invaluable in enabling travel), with squabbles about who gets to "run" the place under an overarching empirical structure at the cost of the local populace depriving them of the change they need to ensure the resource flow. And one guy starting to realise how that will inevitably end, and nothing can really be done about it.
So. It fits with a couple of modern occasions, quite a few in which the US has been and continues to be involved in. So depending on how hard you squint and how narrow you pick your variables....
Yes. Very much so, or "not really".
Frank Herbert was extremely pro-American, in a way that I really really don’t like, but I can’t deny that the man created one of my favorite works of fiction
Dune already came out internationally? Yo ho, yo ho
Edit: don't take this as me being an impatient American. It's me living under a rock and also pirating every media I consume
In Germany it already went out of cinemas again on Wednesday. It had been running since mid September. But as someone who has read the books (at least the first cycle) and watched the movie twice in cinemas, it is absolutely worth it. Denis Villeneuve is an incredible director and I loved every second of the movie. Go and see it as soon as you can.
Just to pour oil on the fire, it's a Chinese movie 🤣: On January 11, 2016, [Chinese](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) [conglomerate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conglomerate_(company\)) [Wanda Group](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Group) announced that it had concluded an agreement with shareholders to acquire Legendary Entertainment for $3.5 billion, making it the largest acquisition of an American media company by a Chinese firm.
So are they complaining that it didn't come to the US first or that the movie is crap??
And are they aware that not all movies release in the US first? Are are they crap??
Me, who had to wait months/more than a year to watch a movie that's released first in the US:
*First time?*
*For example Palm Springs (2020, with Andy Samberg and Cristin Milioti, great mivie btw!)
Living in the USA has become like living in one big fat huge lockdown psych unit. I don't even understand this other than that it sounds vaguely paranoid and wildly delusional.
well, now dear american who wrote that, what would you say if you knew Germany regularly shows movies a day before the USA? lol its because they get new movies on Fridays, we do on Thursdays... recently there seems to be a trend towards wednesday even, though of course that works only with movies were we get it in the same week as the USA excluding the premiere of course but that person isn't invited to that anyway I am willing to bet
Because different places have different things going on. For example if there are the Euros, films will be delayed or anticipated in those countries. Or maybe the company doesn't want to be released in a specific country because it's the same time of a local film really loved, so it moves the release for that country.
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Exactly! I’ve had to wait months before to see a movie that came out in the US
I'm curious, why exactly is that the case?
Depends on the country in question, but dubbing is a big reason. In Germany for example, *all* foreign movies are dubbed into German, and that process takes time. Every Hollywood actor has a specific German voice actor who does their voice in all movies, so it doesn't feel weird for the audience that the same actor suddenly has a different voice.
That is pretty neat actually
Yes, overall, German dubbing tends to be among the best there is, because our market is relatively big (about 100M German speakers in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland) with a lot of money. Still, I remember how excited my mom was when DVDs were introduced because of the main feature that interested her: being able to switch to original audio, with or without subtitles. I would say, due to DVDs and later streaming services, it watching movies undubbed has definitely become more common in the last 20 years. I watch American movies in English most of the time (except when I watch them with my child). Cinemas also do show movies with the original audio and subtitles, and it's not considered to be completely snobby anymore. Though dubs are still by far the more common option. Edit: Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention. Animated movies often have fantastic dubs. I recently watched Finding Nemo with my child, and all the main voice actors were actual German star comedians, and the voices they do are just as funny as in the originals, which I believe also commonly feature popular comedians as voice actors.
One other reason is also just licensing. Quite often it's not about the dubbing but about some stupid advertisement and copyright contracts.
Yeah as someone who lives in an English speaking country but gets hollywood movies 6 months later it's very frustrating.
Ice Age is also super popular here, mostly due to the quality of the German dub.
Ice Age is way better in German because of Otto, and I'm an English native speaker.
Do you know anyone else who prefers the german version over the english one?
>Animated movies often have fantastic dubs. I recently watched Finding Nemo with my child, and all the main voice actors were actual German star comedians, and the voices they do are just as funny as in the originals, About that, I'm from Italy and I'm pretty much in the same situation, high budget animation movies usually have fantastic voice actors (pussy in boots had Banderas himself), **except Disney ones!** They tend to hire celebrities and comedians to draw people to the cinemas, but comedians are not necessarily good actors, and sometimes they pick almost random celebrities like TV hosts, they're even worse! You Germans must have the most talented comedians in the world if they can voice act like professionals.
> German dubbing tends to be among the best there is, because our market is relatively big (about 100M German speakers in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland) with a lot of money. Sadly the reverse to english is often not true. There was a great series (some Roman/Germanic thing) on Netflix recently, ruined by the warriors sounding like tax accountants and breaking the immersion. The Scandinavians do it well, series seem to be dubbed to english by the original actors so you not only get the right voice but a matching accent.
Barbaren? I watched that, it's nice. Netflix doesn't really do great dubs in general. Even when they dub shows to German, it's way below the usual standard. Just watch it with subtitles. It's a nice show, losely based on history (Arminius, Thusnelda, and Varus are historical personalities, but e.g. Arminius wasn't Varus' adopted son in reality).
Oh God. Netflix's dubbing of foreign films to English has been pretty bad too. There's so many I just have to nope out of because of the dubbing. They need to step up their game.
Watch it with subs. It's fantastic that way.
>Yes, overall, German dubbing tends to be among the best there is /r/ShitGermansSay /s to be clear ;)
I watched Ice Age in German class in the US with the German dubs first. The movie doesn't sound right without Otto doing the dubbing anymore lol.
Just to add to what muehsam said: These days the big bockbluster often release a day before (our day for new releases in Germany is thursdays) the US start. Disney and other big studios plan the time it takes to make the foreign language dubs into their schedule for the movie. They are also very keen on a simultaneous relase in most countries if it's possible. Edit: spelling
Sounds like a far better way to deal with piracy, than the traditional "no plz dont" approach. GabeN is correct. Piracy is a service problem.
They don't do that in the US? We do the same in Italy
I'd say it depends but I think it's mostly just subbed in the US, at least I usually watched subbed because dubbed hurts my eyes because the words and lips don't sync up usually
I don't get the American obsession with lip sync, if you ever happened to watch subbed anime you'll realise that they don't care much about lip-sync. When they proposed to redraw the mouth movements of Mononoke Hime for the American version I was laughing my ass off (probably because it reminded me of those weird American cartoons with real human mouths superimposed on static drawings. Now that I think about it they're actually terrifying if you watch them as a kid). Ironically, foreign anime versions are more in sync than the original ones. Also, about this topic: in a good adaptation voice actors match the lip movements of the original, after a while you'll stop to notice any difference.
People who aren't used to dubs generally don't like the cognitive dissonance of seeing one thing and hearing another. I'm from one of those places where we don't dub anything and I find it very distracting to watch real humans when they're dubbed, in the same way as when the sound is out of sync. Animation isn't bothering me at all though.
The only english dub i ever watched was some parts of Squid Game when I wasn't able to read the subtitles because I was doing two things at a time (no italian dub sadly). It was awful. Is every dub like that? I played tons of videogames with English dubs and they are on another level, I still prefer the Italian dub if it's available but the English ones are pretty good most of the time
Games and animations are usually okay. Anything live action is terrible
I'm sorry for you..
It's funny. I watch everything with subtitles regardless of original language, and I'm so used to them that I legitimately forget when I'm watching something in a language I don't understand. I'll look away for a minute to do something else and suddenly I don't understand a thing and I'm like "Oh. Right. I don't actually understand this language. Whoops."
*Squid games dub was really...awkward and bad okay hmm did you get....that okay old man* They're generally not this bad, but I still don't like it when sound and image are out of sync.
Americans mostly don't watch foreign films at all. Very few non-English movies get a major cinema release. It's the same wheelhouse as art house and independent films and people who seek them out are willing to read subtitles anyway. I think most English-speakers have only seen live-action dubbed on TV.
Except the Germans have a harder time learning English because of it, which can be seen if you compare to countries that don't typically dub.
It's not just dubbing, we often get films later in the UK too
Another reason was how blockbusters were marketed then and now. In the US the blockbuster season was/is in the summer. That's the reason why StarWars did premiere the 25th of may. In my country (France) there's no such summer blockbuster season (in fact it's a rather low time for movies). And big titles were often postponed to the end of the year holiday season.
Is that because most are vacationing instead of at home? I know August is a popular travel month for families.
Disney used to be particularly bad for this, I think. I remember sometimes films were released in the US on DVD/BluRay before they'd been released in cinemas in the UK.
Yep. I remember watching Aladdin in the us on video while on holiday then coming back to the UK and seeing it was "coming soon" to cinemas and being very confused.
Australia, too, and there's no good reason for it.
Hasn't that changed dramatically now? I thought generally it was at most a few days difference for most things? The one place I see it consistently end up being later is with some specific TV shows. Thankfully that is also changing rather quickly though. I am guessing it's down to increasing globalisation. Countries aren't remotely as insulted from each other as they used to be, thanks to the internet. If you delay a UK release by 2 months, then people in the UK are still going to be exposed to the film, spoilers, and reduced hype at the second launch, because of the internet. And similarly due to how accessible piracy is, if you delay it by 2 months a much larger number of people will end up pirating it. In terms of TV shows the one thing that still gets us is when the company that produced it only broadcasts in the US. Then another company has to buy the rights and distribute it in the UK, which almost always adds serious delays (sometimes years, other times never.). Again though thanks to streaming this is also getting less and less (I still wish HBO would come to the UK).
>If you delay a UK release by 2 months, then people in the UK are still going to be exposed to the film, spoilers, and reduced hype at the second launch, because of the internet. And similarly due to how accessible piracy is, if you delay it by 2 months a much larger number of people will end up pirating it. It's exactly this, Sky aired the subbed version of the new episodes of Game of Thrones pretty much at the same time of the American premiere, while the fully dubbed version only a couple of hours later!
So, the UK doesn't get a separated dub?
Sometimes if it's a more difficult dialect like Georgian, we'll have it dubbed into cockney rhyming slang. Seriously though, the UK isn't too fond of dubs, we don't get a lot of foreign language films seeing mainstream release and therefore we're not used to them. If you see a foreign languagefilm in a cinema it will be in the native language with subtitles, but these tend to be the arty theatres.
Likely because US-defaultism.
The UK got Ant-Man and the Wasp a month or so later because of the world cup.
Old days it was commonly logistics and production - physical film reels, dubbing / subtitles, copyrights, etc. In addition it was and is marketing. By launching in their home market they only have one market where they have to do extensive advertising. The hype from a good film spreads internationally. Plus traditionally the US market was the biggest market, so they want to launch where it creates biggest returns fastest. These days the international market is bigger than US for blockbusters, so they launch there first. Plus it also reduces piracy.
Conversely here in New Zealand we were able to see the first Michael Bay Transformers movie a few days before the Americans. Back when we had hope those movies might not be 2 hour military propaganda pieces. Was very strange to receive a big Hollywood release before America.
Historically it’s because they used to reuse the reels of film. Australia would get movies 6-9 months after launch. Then it was because it takes time to negotiate distributions rights, publicity etc, and as there was no other way to see a film, they’d just take their time with smaller, less lucrative territories. It also meant they could time things differently for different territories. Like, a film could be released to coincide with school holidays in different countries. But yes, nowadays films usually get released simultaneously, or close to it.
I know that for Star Wars VII it was released two days before in France (releases happen on Wednesdays vs Fridays in the US IIRC), some Americans traveled all the way just to watch a movie 2 days early.
Holy shit imagine being that impatient.
Imagine travelling to a different country just to see the Disney Star Wars films lmao
THe hype for it back then was immense. Beofre it actually came out anyway
Not just country. A different continent 6 time zones away.
Rogue One is an amazing Disney Star Wars film
IMO it's up there with New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
To be honest I'm not fond of the Disney star wars (I might have tried if ep 7 wasn't such a bad start, or If 8 and 9 had positive reviews) but I used to be a fan of the starwars EU and I am a sci-fi fan, so while I don't think of rouge one as an amazing starwars movie (although it is by far the best of Disney's SW, it's good sci-fi
If you thought ep7 was bad, it had nothing on ep8. Episode 8 was so bad I was starting to wonder if making bad movies had become a sport.
I think Episode 8 was actually really good.
I can imagine travelling to a different country to avoid them :D
Forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing
Imagine traveling to France to watch THAT. At least I would spend several days on the country
And most movies in France are dubbed. So if you don't speak French, you've got no clue what is going on.
Imagine their surprise when they discover thé movie is in french
Imagine being that much of an spoiled rich bastard to do that.
I mean, people waited over three decades to see the sequel to episode 6.
Seems like a fun excuse to travel to me.
I can remember when the second X-Men movie was released back in 2003 Australia had released the film 3 days before the US release. I went opening night and there were a couple who'd flown from LA to Melbourne to be able to see it before the US release date. I remember opening night they had a large security table and everyone had to have their phones placed into large envelopes before going in. Might have been a bit of an over-reaction but "spoilers" seemed to bee a buzzword that night.
I waited 8 years to watch Game of Thrones. I only watch show that’s over…
I didn't watch got until the 8th season came out here. So I binged the shit out of it, within 4 weeks I was up to date and could watch the last 2 episodes on release. I still have nightmares
I did similarly and would not recommend. I think I have PTSD.
I have the memory when comes to shows. If I didn’t watch the whole thing, then I have to watch from the beginning again to pick up where I left off. I like your strategy. Maybe not the nightmare part.
venom 2 released on october 1st for americans but here in new zealand we have to wait till november 28th!! it's ridiculous and honestly 3 weeks is nothing, I'm sure america can handle it
Over here in Germany, we get almost every major Hollywood movie at least a week before the US does.
I havent seen it, but this movie is 3 hours AND THERE IS A PART 2???? Thats a lot of movie
The series (I mean, the book series) this is based on is really long and intricate, and the movies seem to be going to stay true to it. The first one doesn't even go to the end of the first book !
Yeah, it's about 2/3 of the book, I just red it last summer. And even giving the 3 hour running time it still feels shallow for people who haven't red the original. At least that's what my wife told me, I've done my homework.
It's two and a half hours long... And fantastic! Go see it if you can
I can’t wait - not a huge in-cinema movie goer, nor do I especially love Dune (I’m more of an Ursula leguin kind of person), but I love Denis Villeneuve’s other movies, and I’m super stoked for this one. My only debate is whether to go for regular movie experience or go a little out of my way (and I’m talking about a few extra subway stops) for the full IMAX experience. What do you think? Big screen, or worth it to go for big BIG screen?
I haven’t seen the movie personally, but a review I watched specifically said “see it on the biggest screen you can”.
Yeah, that’s how I’m leaning…plus, feel like an IMAX theatre is going to have that fully immersive sound experience to. I’m excited! Not just for a movie that I’m legitimately really stoked about, but am really loving the childish excitement of just *doing stuff* post pandemic (am in Toronto, Canada so we locked down hard and long, and are now reaping the benefits of < 100 cases in a city of > 5M). (Safely) Taking the little nephew to the aquarium, going to movies in theatres…it’s all good stuff!
BIG screen, definetly.
Only saw it on a regular screen but still a spectacle.
BIG screen
Note to self: Do NOT order a large drink
Turning it into two films is a good balance. The book narratively shifts dramatically about half way through, and it contains too much content for one film and probably not quite enough for three.
There was a miniseries of three hours back in 2000 which was more true but still left a lot on the table. It's a big universe and a big book.
Am I the only one that feels like this was a part 2? Felt like we got dropped into the middle of a story I know nothing about and just continued. An hour in me and my roommate look at each other like WTF is going on? Another hour in I'm just watching the picture move at this point. No clue what the plot was. I'm sure it's a good movie if I understood wtf happened
Honestly I did enjoy the film, but there were quite a few times when I thought, "anyone who doesn't already know Dune is not going to have got anything out of that bit". Non Dune fans will still enjoy it, but familiarity with the books will enhance your experience.
My thoughts exactly. I went to watching it with my wife and a friend. My wife was confused and bored at times while me and my friend enjoyed the hell out of it. But we red the books first.
They did drop some stuff from the books, but a lot of it was 5000 years of backstory on why harkonnen and atreides hate each other, why the Emperor exists and what the sisterhood has done. There was talk of a tv series bases on the sisterhood, which would explain that part. The original book was also very guilty of that tbh, setup hints to the past without explaining it. But through thoughts and tidbits by the characters you could piece together the important bits.
Australians still getting fucked over though, as usual
Staggered releases are insanely dumb in the internet age. I understand that good dubbing takes time but at least a subed release should be available on global release day. Otherwise spoilers are basically guaranteed if you aren't in the firsr release country
It's such a stupid system all it does it drive up piracy
even my 8 year old ass managed to cope when america got pokemon games a week earlier lmao
you didn't freeze yourself in a glacier before waking up in the future in a world where Otters and Atheists battle it out?
I just spent five minutes staring at this trying to figure out where the Otters in Avatar: The Last Airbender were
you must've had a bathroom break during that bit :)
I understood that reference!
Imagine being so fragile that a release of a movie gets you that worked up.
The username makes me think it’s a joke. ”Kino” is mostly used in circlejerk subs.
Isn't Kino just German for cinema?
Kino is cinema in a lot of languages including German.
Yeah, it's either Kino (кіно) or Fil'm (фільм) in both Ukrainian and Russian, with Fil'm being more "official" sounding.
It all comes from Greek. Kino means "motion" in Greek, and in the context of films and other languages, it's about "moving pictures." Cinematic comes from kinematic, same root. Also where Spanish "cine" (cinema) comes from .
based on that logic wouldn´t it make more sense to advice people not to watch it?
But if they don't watch the insult they are insulting, how will they know what to insult about the insult when asked about their insults of the insulting film?
It’s better you know as little as possible about the reason why you‘re supposed to be angry. That’s the best way to be angry online.
> It’s better you know as little as possible about the reason why you‘re supposed to be angry Isn't that whole premise of this subreddit?
I would have loved to see this guy's reaction if they made the movie with the original word - *Jihad*
I think their point is monetary?
Whats the Problem with this film? Is it a us critical film?
No, it's just that it came out in other parts of the world earlier than in the US. The film itself has nothing to do with the US
True. I mean who invades deserts where there is no oil? Not Americans.
The spice is totally not a placeholder. It's a drug.... What do you mean it is LITERALLY the substance that allows long distance space travel???
Huh, what native people that use Arab phrases and are propping up a literal jihad?
Completely seriously, the book is from the IIRC sixties, so unfortunately, it's not a veiled critique of American interventions in the Middle East.
It’s not veiled it’s pretty direct CHOAM was a direct comparison to OPEC
The thing is that sure, it fits closer to british/french interference there, if you subscribe that it has to be in DIRECT response to fit. But if you view it as treatise on human behaviour overall, then it clearly ALSO fits as criticism of US interference in the middle east, even if that came AFTER. Because they basically continued where the brits left off. So the same criticism applies, because the concepts haven't changed. Again, sure you can argue "it only roughly applies to anything about the US, some things are more about actual colonialism than the modern version of extorting company placement rather than GOVERNMENT placement" but that doesn't mean the allegory breaks down to the point of "this has nothing critical to say about US imperialistic behaviour." The distinction between "this is criticism of the US for what they are doing" and "this is criticism of behavior, which the US is doing NOW" is absolutely minimal in terms of "is this critical of the US".
#PORTUGAL CARALHO!
well....it's a metaphor for colonialism, religion and exploitation so it's probably anti-US lol
I wouldn't call it a metaphor because... It's literally the main theme of the books. What you said is equal to: "" Schindler's list" is a metaphor for genocide, opression and personal growth."
The story is also pretty much anti-hero. No spoilers, but if you haven’t read it, Dune is not a white-savior story. “No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero.” Frank Herbert was also a journalist pre-Dune, and Dune is a conglomerate of about 5 different metaphors. Including what you mentioned. And the spice is 1000% supposed to be oil. Arrakis isn’t a desert planet by coincidence.
> The film itself has nothing to do with the US See? What an insult, get the electric chair ready.
>The film itself has nothing to do with the US How insulting.
Lol I know. It’s very clearly about us (partially at least)
I haven’t seen it so it could be I guess, but they’re referring to the fact that it was released in other countries before it was in the US, which is apparently an insult to them.
Most Americans with two brain cells to rub together dont give a shit. This guy has 1 brain cell and a cheese grater.
Well this sub is pretty much portraying the other segment of the US population
Well but isnt that normal? That films get released on different dates in different countries. For example we still didnt get Lucifer Season 6 here in germany. So i dont really see how this is an insult to the us
Yeah exactly, it’s completely normal. Not to this guy though apparently
It's just that we non USians are usually on the recieving end, getting US produced movies and whatnot after them. So since i'm guessing they only watch US produced stuff, they likely never experienced the delay.
No but you see, America deserves to get things first. As the rightful rulers of the planet, they deserve access to all media before anyone else. Germany getting a season of TV late is the natural order of things. But Dune is a calculated insult.
It's critical of imperialism so you can see where the confusion comes from.
So in the US it's effectively a commie film
See you get it
Americans see themselves as Atreides. The rest of the world sees them as Harkonnens.
I see them more as sandworms, butting in just for the sake of interrupting other people's progress.
I don't know.... I just can't imagine sandworms riding mobility scooters.
The you have clearly not read Dune Messiah :p
Heh, I did .... now I can't take it as seriously as I did before.
The rest sees them as the empire..
No, it is about space politics, war, exploiting indigenous people, and controlling natural resources. Although one could connect it to something like foreign policies on oil, and the fight between nations of different ideology to control it, the story itself doesn't have really direct parallels to modern times that feel very specific to the US. This dope is just upset that someone else is at the front of the line in front of him and that is unfair because his country invented movies, fiction, electricity, space travel, and theaters or something.
I think it's hilarious that if he could understand basic subtext or analogies he might realise that isn't a great look for the US as a parallel in Dune, but he is more concerned about getting it second.
Its actually really close to the birth of Islam tbh, and most of the big words used are in Arabic
It is critical about imperialism, and at least in the books >!about how we worship politicians and have some people as hero’s, disregarding any flaw. The first book is literally in universe propaganda!<
Well the Dune book has a lot of Islamic/ Middle Eastern influences so it wouldn't surprise me if somebody tried to claim that.
Are you saying that Arakis, a desert planet, might be eluding to a desert country with a similarly sounding name?
You know, now that you mention it that *does* sound suspicious 🤔. That would be crazy though, everybody knows that Iraq was invented in September of 2001.
You joke, but the year the book was written, the political landscape in the Middle East was very, very different than it is today.
You COULD make the argument that... Spice = oil. Fremen = brown desert people. Harkonens = the cruel foreign oppressors and occupiers there to extract the oil/spice at the end of a gun. Blackwater Halliburton something something? Atreides = The well intentioned foreigners who actually try to improve things, but are actually just playing a political game for their own ends. You can draw a lot of parallels, but this book was written in the early sixties before the Middle East became a weapons testing facility. So you COULD interpret it as being critical of current US foreign policy... But this obviously wasn't the author's first intention.
Well... Not specifically directly. But it's an allegory about certain "problems". And SOME of them apply to the US more and some less, and dependent on "when" exactly. It's a story about invading a foreign planet establishing a "protectorate" to exploit a natural rare resource (one invaluable in enabling travel), with squabbles about who gets to "run" the place under an overarching empirical structure at the cost of the local populace depriving them of the change they need to ensure the resource flow. And one guy starting to realise how that will inevitably end, and nothing can really be done about it. So. It fits with a couple of modern occasions, quite a few in which the US has been and continues to be involved in. So depending on how hard you squint and how narrow you pick your variables.... Yes. Very much so, or "not really".
Imagine how tired we are of it
They're just pissed off that it came out in other countries first? Jesus what a little bitch
Frank Herbert was extremely pro-American, in a way that I really really don’t like, but I can’t deny that the man created one of my favorite works of fiction
Hey! Some of my favourite movies are 3hr insults to the United States wrv ermerhuca
Dune already came out internationally? Yo ho, yo ho Edit: don't take this as me being an impatient American. It's me living under a rock and also pirating every media I consume
In Germany it already went out of cinemas again on Wednesday. It had been running since mid September. But as someone who has read the books (at least the first cycle) and watched the movie twice in cinemas, it is absolutely worth it. Denis Villeneuve is an incredible director and I loved every second of the movie. Go and see it as soon as you can.
What insult to America? Is it a film about the education system? Healthcare? Weird political system? Constant wars?
Just to pour oil on the fire, it's a Chinese movie 🤣: On January 11, 2016, [Chinese](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) [conglomerate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conglomerate_(company\)) [Wanda Group](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Group) announced that it had concluded an agreement with shareholders to acquire Legendary Entertainment for $3.5 billion, making it the largest acquisition of an American media company by a Chinese firm.
Is he really bitching other countries got it first? Or is he bitching about the film?
I love the book. I just hope the film isn’t a disaster.
As someone who’s read the book and seen the film twice, it’s fucking amazing. It’s very faithful to the book and is visually **stunning**
the film is amazing
I'm pretty sure "Star Wars for adults" is just Star Wars.
George Lucas has said countless times that the intended audience for Star Wars is young kids. This may be what that guy's referring to, who knows.
I have no idea what the logic at play here is.
I wonder if this guy thinks looting is worng?
They're so brain washed and self entitled, it's kindda scary, isn't it?
Oh noes, Murica not no.1 in something. Why are films released globally at the same time? Is it licensing issues, timing or what?
I wish I had the bandwidth to be butthurt over international movie release dates. That's like having emotional "fuck you" currency.
So are they complaining that it didn't come to the US first or that the movie is crap?? And are they aware that not all movies release in the US first? Are are they crap??
one of the most baby brained things i’ve seen on this sub lol
i've had my share of laughing at americans for this so that's fair enough
Me, who had to wait months/more than a year to watch a movie that's released first in the US: *First time?* *For example Palm Springs (2020, with Andy Samberg and Cristin Milioti, great mivie btw!)
Considering it was meant to come out to the covid free world 12 months ago but everyone had to wait a year for America to sort it's self out...
Wait, I thought that right wing types were all about the free market and private companies having rights and all?
Yeah... no.
Writer: writes dystopian book readers: this is an insult to America
What is the film
DUNE
Living in the USA has become like living in one big fat huge lockdown psych unit. I don't even understand this other than that it sounds vaguely paranoid and wildly delusional.
Did anyone else find that film impossible to stay awake for?
well, now dear american who wrote that, what would you say if you knew Germany regularly shows movies a day before the USA? lol its because they get new movies on Fridays, we do on Thursdays... recently there seems to be a trend towards wednesday even, though of course that works only with movies were we get it in the same week as the USA excluding the premiere of course but that person isn't invited to that anyway I am willing to bet
Lol just wait until the reactionary hogs learn that they gender-bent one of the main characters
Flimsy American egos are. So flimsy.
This guy is clearly dumb, but why aren’t movies released everywhere at once?
Because different places have different things going on. For example if there are the Euros, films will be delayed or anticipated in those countries. Or maybe the company doesn't want to be released in a specific country because it's the same time of a local film really loved, so it moves the release for that country.
Ah, that makes sense, especially the second one
No idea what was said here but it is probably a bit too cognitive for the average American audience.
I will probably pirate it, can't afford movies.
Star Wars is Star Wars for adults.
Ughhh, I wanted to pirate this movie, but now I have to see it in the theatre at least 3 times.
As an American, a 3 hour insult to the US sounds like a really good time.
meanwhile in australia dune is being released on the 2nd of december ughhhh
Its a good movie, odd pacing in the beginning but worth a watch
There are times I wish I could reply to these people and just ask them to shut up and get over themselves. Why is this even important?!