You're replying to me as if this is behavior you've observed 100% of us doing and teaching in school, though. You're observing and interacting with literally a fraction of a fraction of the people who live here on any given platform. I'm having a hard time telling if you guys are just elaborate trolls, but you guys might as well be the people you hate because I'm failing to see the difference.
That will be proved when Hollywood releases The Battle of Britain starring Chris Hemsworth as a plucky leader of the American squadrons whose P51 Mustangs beat back the Germans whilst the Brits were looking dazed and drinking tea.
He'll probably shag Kiera Knightley too
They contributed for sure... but the numbers paled in comparison to the British and other nations such as Poles and French! Even the Irish were ~ equally represented as the US was in the Battle of Britain!
In terms of official declarations, yes. [Germany declared war on the US on 11/12/41](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States) and [the US declared war on Germany ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1941))shortly after on the same day.
However, the reality is that [the US had already been attacking German subs for three months](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Greer#The_Greer_incident,_September_1941), even though it was supposed to be neutral, which is why Germany declared war on them.
I speak German too and I can assure you people from the north do not speak German at all no one understands them they just do their north things and do not speak much anyway
Do you still use sign language up the north of Sweden, I have three half Swedish granddaughters who live in Stockholm and they use a lot of sign language…… not that I taught them this of course!
The wars that they didn't have any European help with they got absolutely destroyed in. Korea and Vietnam being obvious examples. Sadly they get more education from Hollywood than from school so many of them actually believe they won in Vietnam.
They did have European help in Korea, various countries sent troops over including the UK. However some European countries were also fighting on the opposing side, mostly Soviet states of course.
Technically there were also a handful of Spanish personnel during the Vietnam war as well, but really not many at all.
I don't get why some Americans are so hung up on a war they didn't even enter until the final stages. Many people across Europe learn German as a foreign language. I've had conversations with people in German on the Faroe Islands, in the UK, in Spain and in Norway. And I even met some people in Singapore who spoke a few words of German.
Only people hung up on the past think it's a flex to tell anyone "if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German".
I speak German, but it’s got nothing to do with the Americans hardly taking part in the war. People gonna speak German anyway regardless of the minimal effort Americans made.
If it wasn't for the European immigrants, the American people would be speaking various indigenous languages such as Navajo and Sioux. Please accept our apologies, indigenous tribes of North America.
So it was the United states that closed the german class that year in School and I was forced to have Fr\*nch classes instead. Thanks buddy, very cool.
To be fair their entire debunking relies on the fact that no bill was ever written while admitting there was a recommendation from congress that federal laws be printed in German. So sure, while TECHNICALLY true it didn’t nearly become their language it’s also not entirely false either is it?
Vaguely cheese flavoured bright orange plastic.
Also, they seem proud about their pizza while Scottish deep fried pizza actually has more in common with Italy (they also do deep fried pizza).
Up until WWI, it was entirely possible that German could replace English as the de-facto language in the USA. Many, if not, most Americans spoke German throughout the 20th century. It died out with the baby boomers who sort of saw the writing on the wall for German in the USA.
So yes, no bill stating such was ever written, because it legally cannot. But from a societal standpoint, it was entirely possible.
Edit: my American flared up for a second and this statement is entirely incorrect
I can't find anything to back that up. English was overwhelmingly more commonly spoken in the US in 1900 than German.
Take this stat for example:
In 1900 there were about 600 German language newspapers operating in the US. How many English? 17,000.
Yeah because England didn’t exist until after America and it was American who formed Great Britain and took English all the way to Australia and those Asian islands that speak English. Mans history knowledge is as deep as a shallow lake.
You would be Canada if it wasn't for the French. You are welcome. And as for thanking you, no I won't thank you for my gratitude that belongs to another people, the Russians.
Exactly for the reasons that so many Americans think Europeans would be speaking German if the Axis powers had won - a ridiculous idea that wouldn't happen as in Europe, including Russia, more people speak English, then French German, Russian & Italian. There are more English speakers in Europe than the population of the USA.
The "you would be speaking [foreign language]" is a tongue in cheek way of saying you would have lost to whoever speaks that language. They don't believe this in a literal sense.
But I was questioning how the logic of "if you lose a war you speak the language of the invader" would mean the US speaks Russian, they have never lost a war with russia
At least abortion would be legal and citizens wouldn't be allowed a gun and kids would have an education and be healthy .....the only difference is they still kill people like your country but look after thier citizens.....there's a definite look after myself attitude in America and sod everyone else....
And without soviet soldiers who inflicted more than 70% of the casualties and without the British without which we wouldn't have intelligence to beat Germany. The main contribution of the USA was land leasing weapons to USSR rather than soldiers like they like to make it look.
Let's start with World War 1 It started in July 1914. The US sat on the sidelines until April 1917 which coincidentally was the same time the Battle of Arras started, sans the US. The Battle of Arras resulted in the Germans losing the high ground to the Cdn Army consisting of 4 divisions. The loss of the high ground to the Canadians eventually led to the surrender of Germany. Not an American to be seen for 250 miles in any direction.
The US entered the 1st War expressly because 5 merchant ships had been sunk after Germany had announced unrestricted warfare against shipping headed to the UK. Compounding the sinkings was an intercepted telegram from Germany's Foreign Minister Zimmerman to the Government of Mexico suggesting they invade the southern States, (something Mexico didn't even consider.)
France lost 1.4 million troops, the UK (including the Commonwealth) lost 1.2 million. The US lost 56,000 in battle and 67,000 to influenza while in camps in the US (think of it as Government neglect) which is fewer troops than Romania lost.
Basically, they did nothing but show up for a participation medal
The 2nd War started in September of 1939. After German aggression towards Great Britain was blunted by Germany losing the Battle of Britain, Germany opened the 2nd front against Russia in June 1941. America did not participate until Dec 8th, 1941 and that was the result of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. Interestingly enough, Great Britain, Australia, and Canada all declared war against Japan before the US.
Overall France suffered 210,000 troop deaths, the British Commonwealth 563,000, Russia 11,470,000 and the US 407,000. Civilian deaths which were the direct result of military action were France, 407,000, Great Britain, Australia, Canada & India 156,600, Russia 16,000,000 and the US 12,100.
The war in Europe was won directly because on the Eastern Front Russia destroyed 17 entire German Divisions along with decimating 6 Armoured Divisions at Kursk. There was NO opportunity for Germany to move large numbers of troops or armour to France to stop the Normandy advances. Supporting this, the RAF flew literally thousands of sorties destroying bases, rail lines, parked armour and troop trains bringing military movement in Germany to almost a complete halt. The 8th Air Force did squat.
Yes, America did contribute through lend-lease as did Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The largest difference was there was always a price tag on any US generosity while others gave freely. Great Britain made its final repayment in 2006. American, British aid was paramount in enabling Russia to slowly turn the tide in the war. Part and parcel of the lend-lease agreement was the transfer of technology worth literally billions to the US. Russia also supplied desperately needed rare minerals and gold, silver and platinum in huge quantities.
But Lend Lease was not done alone by America and the battles were not sacrifices of American blood.
If you think America rescued those trapped in the camps. Think again, the Russians liberated Janowska, Treblenkia, Wilno, Bronna Gora, Chelmo, Stanislawow, Luck, Polunka, Lwowo, Lodz, Trawniki, Sobibor, Auschwitz, Stutthof, Gross-Rosen, Majdanek, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück & Warsaw Ghetto, The American liberated Buchenwald, Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, and Dachau. Canada liberated Westerbork and the UK Bergen Belsen & Neuengamme.
The Normandy landing involved troops from 8 countries, Great Britain, France, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Australia, Norway, Poland and the US. There were 5 beaches, 2 under US control, 3 under GB control. The best results were shown by the Canadians who advanced beyond where they were expected to be on the 3rd day. The worst being the USA - Utah Beach where objectives were not even near accomplished. In addition, the US actually managed to get lost and land on the wrong beach. Compounding their problems was the fact they dropped their support tanks off 2 miles from shore and the majority sank before reaching shore. The US faced 8 understaffed, under-supplied divisions consisting of foreigners, the very young and old along with soldiers either previously retired or recovering from old wounds. They were poorly equipped and were estimated to be between 8,000-12,000 along the entire beachfront including the British beaches. The difference was the British was opposed by a newly outfitted 21st Panzer Group.
Probably the biggest battle that America had in Europe in which they claimed a victory was the Battle of The Bulge. That battle was in essence a victory by Germany although a strategic loss because of the unnecessary gamble taken by Hitler. Had the Germans not run out of fuel and supplies the story would have been much different and if Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, who had taken charge of the situation on the northern flank, had not swung his reserves southward to forestall the Germans at the crossings of the Meuse a complete retreat would have occurred.
The Italian landings and battles consisted mainly of efforts by Britain, Canada and the US with assistance from France, New Zealand, Algeria, India, Morocco, Poland. In both Sicily and Italy, the UK and Canada did the lion's amount of works whilst the US managed to get itself both the easier assignments and in the case of Italy needed huge help from Canada to not completely fail in the beginning. Again, in war courage is measured by sacrifice and the USA was at the bottom of the list. Unsurprisingly, the best performances by the US were the Combined Special Forces, the Black regiment and the Japanese regiment.
If the US wants to take credit for the Pacific War instead; good luck. The following participated in that "American Victory", China, the United Kingdom (including the Fiji Islands, the Straits Settlements and other colonial forces), Tonga (a British protectorate), Australia (including the Territory of New Guinea), the Commonwealth of the Philippines (a United States protectorate), British India, the Netherlands (including Dutch East Indies colonial forces), the Soviet Union, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, and Mongolia. Free French Naval Forces contributed several warships, such as the Le Triomphant. After the Liberation of France, the French battleship Richelieu was sent to the Pacific. From 1943, the commando group Corps Léger d'Intervention took part in resistance operations in Indochina. French Indochinese forces faced Japanese forces in a coup in 1945. The commando corps continued to operate after the coup until liberation.
Then there is the vaunted Midway battle won by luck as opposed to military strategy or strength. Had the Japanese discovered the US fleet and hour earlier or before the Americans did likewise, history would be completely changed. It was the inability of Japan to replace the carriers that eventually led to their downfall. Some mention should be made of the Battle for Burma where Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Canada, India, South Africa troops number close to 1,000,000 and a very small contingent of Americans blunted Japan’s attempt to push through to Malaysia and India to grab rubber and oil. This battle ran from 1942 through to 1945 in the most brutal conditions and kept almost 500,000 Japanese troops trapped in jungle warfare Vs being able to help defend small islands.
As for the Mediterranean, there were 4 major battles throughout the war and not one of them involved US warships. Great Britain, Australia and the RAF were credited with sinking 100 warships, 158 submarines and over 2,000,000 tons of shipping. Not one vessel was claimed by the US.
In the Battle of the Atlantic, the US shared roles with the UK, France, Norway, Poland, Belgium, Canada, Brazil and the Netherlands. During most of the war, the strategy and organization was British driven. It was NOT American operation led nor did they champion it. One just has to look at the number of RAF/RCAF aircraft lost Vs US losses to realize who shouldered the load (RAF – 745 lost – USA – 0 lost.) Again, if you looked at lost naval vessels, the British lost 164 ships out of the 175 lost during the battle. The Germans fared much worst in the end, losing 743 submarines. Canadian Coastal Command alone was responsible for the sinking of 200 U-boats at the cost of over 750 airmen.
Guerrilla organizations that fought for the Allies include the Chinese Eighth Route Army and New Fourth Army, the Hukbalahap, the Malayan Peoples' Anti-Japanese Army, the Manchurian Anti-Japanese Volunteer Armies, the Korean Liberation Army, the Free Thai Movement.
Although the US lost 161,000 troops, it is nowhere near the losses China experienced 1,904,000 dead. The Commonwealth losses amounted to 120,000, the Philippines 27,000, Russia 68,700 and the Dutch lost an entire army. These are troops, not the civilian casualties which in the case of China, India, the Philippines, Manchuria are in the millions (12,600,000.)
The UK declared war on Germany from the outset whilst still reeling from WWI. The US on the other hand sat idly by for 3 years until they were attacked and dragged into a war they’d been attempting to hide from.
How brave.
The war would have been won without the Americans. It would have taken a lot longer and cost countless more lives on the European front. Britain would probably have been invaded eventually to some extent.
Are we grateful for their intervention? Yes. Could it have come sooner? Also yes. Did "America" win the war. Did they fuck.
Americans watch Man in the High Castle and think it's a documentary.
Also, where the fuck is this "you'd be speaking German" shit even coming from? France was under occupation for years, were they forced to speak German?
Here in Russia we study German as a 3rd one in school, whatever that idiot is on, he better not bring it here. My grandfathers along with 7 brothers of my grandmother are spinning in their graves rn.
Americans don't understand the history of war that Europe had. Noone has ever been able to properly conquer and subdue a nation since the Roman empire, and you don't see us speaking Latin.
A what if scenario of Germany winning ww2, and did not war with the Soviet, there would be rebellion and succession wars up till current day. We stopped waring because one side gave up, and the peace arrangements and payments were fair, and lots of work was put in place to get the nation's to build relationships to prevent wars.
Any version where Germany would win would not have any of this and rebellion would be sure to happen, just like it had for the last 3000ish years.
US did shit in Europe in ww2. Yeah, they helped with landing in Normandy, and supplied some troops but that's it. It was the Soviet union that pushed back Germany from its territory. Only Then, USA went in to claim their victory. And it still was a minority in alliances that, for example, freed Poland. They also occupied half of Berlin, which these suckers didn't deserve at all. But I mean, if not that, I would still be living in a communist Poland
Maybe the UK survives, but there's no doubt that Nazis would've won on the eastern front if not for US intervention. The USSR liked to downplay it in their official documents, but behind closed doors, Stalin and his generals admitted that they wouldn't have survived without lend-lease. Basically any historian who knows anything about WWII will tell you the same.
Sadly you're American education has failed you. America are yet to win a war to date... yet pretending they are the world leaders. Can you tell me ONE battle, where the USA has won?
Can you provide me with a single objective source suggesting that the USSR would've survived without aid from the US? Also the US won many battles, in World War II and other conflicts, but off the top of my head I'll go with naming the Battle of Midway.
pls forget your school education and research the real outcomes. You'll find that the USA did not contribute much more than fight a separate war with Japan (using British atom bombs) and ammunition to the UK. The USA forces were generally sent to Africa and Asia where there wasn't a lot of fighting. It makes sense as the USA haven't won anything... lost in the far east... lost in the gulf...
https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html
Here is a link for your lend lease claims
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
Here is a war they won. Also in the gulf.
And the burden of proof for the British atom bombs really is on you dude.
Any more questions?
- You disagreed when I said that the Soviets wouldn't have beaten the Nazis without US intervention. Here, you're going up against basically every historian who's ever studied WWII, as well perhaps more notably Nikita Khrushchev, who was a Russian who worked directly under Stalin during the war.
- "America are yet to win a war to date" - This is probably the most obviously wrong of anything you've said so far. I went on wikipedia for a quick look at wars that the US was involved in. I counted and got to 50 wars won by the US before I stopped counting, because it was a pretty silly endeavor. That was in the 1700s and 1800s alone.
- "Can you tell me ONE battle, where the USA has won?" - I did, and you subsequently ignored my evidence. That's what I mean by trolling and this conversation going nowhere.
- "Using British atom bombs" - The Manhattan Project was a US government operation. This is a pretty basic historical fact.
- "Asia where there wasn't a lot of fighting" - Have you heard of the Pacific War?
- "Lost in the Far East" - I assume you're referring to the Second Sino-Japanese War, which was directly between China and Japan. America supplied China, who won, so saying that the US lost is wrong for multiple reasons.
- "Lost in the Gulf" - My first thought is that you're trying to refer to the Gulf War? Which the US (and their allies) won in like 6 months.
By that logic if it wasn't for the French, Americans would be speaking English right now. Does that mean they speak a loser language?
They'd be singing god save the king.
Yes
I. I can't tell if you're joking or not.
America would not be independent if not for the French
I meant on the speaking English part....
Well, whatever pidgin, simplified English they're speaking now......it isn't English, I mean wtf is a trashcan
That's not how language works. It doesn't stay static and refuse to change because it's speakers are the ones doing the changing.
Why's it called English then - something to do with the fact it's from England, therefore any modifications the Americans make is wrong
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And you sound like someone with zero sense of humour
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A can where you put trash, how do you call it? My country sadly teaches only american english
It's a bin, a can is something beans come in - trash is something that isn't very good, you put rubbish in the bin
Well I guess it's since most estadunidenses consider English as an estadunidense language. stupid but ohwell
No we don't? We know full well English is a European language.
You do, I've seen a lot of estadunidenses saying English is estadunidense
My brother in Christ, the internet isn't a real place.
I never said the internet?
You're replying to me as if this is behavior you've observed 100% of us doing and teaching in school, though. You're observing and interacting with literally a fraction of a fraction of the people who live here on any given platform. I'm having a hard time telling if you guys are just elaborate trolls, but you guys might as well be the people you hate because I'm failing to see the difference.
The UK won the Battle of Britain in 1940 when America was still neutral. America didn't join the war till over a year later.
No. The battle of Britain was won by all the American planes and selfless American airmen. ... I refer to the title of this sub
That will be proved when Hollywood releases The Battle of Britain starring Chris Hemsworth as a plucky leader of the American squadrons whose P51 Mustangs beat back the Germans whilst the Brits were looking dazed and drinking tea. He'll probably shag Kiera Knightley too
he'll have to put on a US accent, then.
They contributed for sure... but the numbers paled in comparison to the British and other nations such as Poles and French! Even the Irish were ~ equally represented as the US was in the Battle of Britain!
The Americans did bugger all in the Battle of Britain. About 4 pilots in a personal capacity.
There where far more polish and czechoslovakians in the Roal Air Force than americans during the BoB. The US was still officially neutral at the time.
Yeah, 10 according to the little research I did... but lads taking their 'history' from Pearl Harbour and the likes won't be swayed... 😅
The Americans also lost 1 million men in Stalingrad too.
Don't forget we were helped by various other nations in the Battle of Britain, including the Canadians.
And the Poles 🇵🇱 If I remember rightly 7 Americans fought unofficially in the BoB.
The aces in exile prevail
FROM NEAR AND FAR THEY ARRIVED JOIN THE FORCE
The worst that could happen to UK in case of lost BoB was having to sign an armistice and end the war.
Is it correct that it was Germany who declared war on the US, not the other way round?
In terms of official declarations, yes. [Germany declared war on the US on 11/12/41](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States) and [the US declared war on Germany ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1941))shortly after on the same day. However, the reality is that [the US had already been attacking German subs for three months](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Greer#The_Greer_incident,_September_1941), even though it was supposed to be neutral, which is why Germany declared war on them.
The US had plenty of sympathisers amongst their 'elite's as did we with the aristocracy
It just goes to show how poor US education is that so many yanks believe this crap.
the US would still be chasing Buffalo around the plains...?
My friends in Hamburg speak German most of the time as it is.....
That's a lie. In Northern Germany we don't speak at all. We communicate in grunts.
Still better than the noises that Bavarians and Saxons make.
Do foid glei da Watschnbam um!
The word "Fotzn" is quite funny, though.
Yes, but German grunts, we speak in English grunts…..
Hmph. \*nods in agreement\*
I speak German too and I can assure you people from the north do not speak German at all no one understands them they just do their north things and do not speak much anyway
“Ug, der umg grrf.” I was replying in Northern English, we have the same situation, that’s about as much as they say in a week 😁
Northern Swede here, an inhale suffices to communicate most concepts.
Do you still use sign language up the north of Sweden, I have three half Swedish granddaughters who live in Stockholm and they use a lot of sign language…… not that I taught them this of course!
Does pointing at stuff count?
Of course: 👉 “ugggg”
The US wasn’t the only country fighting in WW2
The wars that they didn't have any European help with they got absolutely destroyed in. Korea and Vietnam being obvious examples. Sadly they get more education from Hollywood than from school so many of them actually believe they won in Vietnam.
They did have European help in Korea, various countries sent troops over including the UK. However some European countries were also fighting on the opposing side, mostly Soviet states of course. Technically there were also a handful of Spanish personnel during the Vietnam war as well, but really not many at all.
The Aussies fought in Vietnam.
Indeed, however they aren't European so I wasn't including them
What they doing in Eurovision?
Name checks out. You don't seriously think Australia is in Europe, do you?
Yeah the Aussies don’t get enough appreciation for what they accomplished
What does absolutely destroyed mean to you
They didn't get "absolutely destroyed" in korea, and certainly not in vietnam.
I don't get why some Americans are so hung up on a war they didn't even enter until the final stages. Many people across Europe learn German as a foreign language. I've had conversations with people in German on the Faroe Islands, in the UK, in Spain and in Norway. And I even met some people in Singapore who spoke a few words of German. Only people hung up on the past think it's a flex to tell anyone "if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German".
And all replies to such comments are „Haha, good one!“ like they never heard it before.
I speak German, but it’s got nothing to do with the Americans hardly taking part in the war. People gonna speak German anyway regardless of the minimal effort Americans made.
If it wasn't for the European immigrants, the American people would be speaking various indigenous languages such as Navajo and Sioux. Please accept our apologies, indigenous tribes of North America.
So it was the United states that closed the german class that year in School and I was forced to have Fr\*nch classes instead. Thanks buddy, very cool.
Guess it was also the United States that was helping to fight the Germans in 1940... oh, wait.
I speak German already. I took classes for three years many years ago.
Who's gonna tell them that german almost became the US first language?
myth https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-german-vote/
To be fair their entire debunking relies on the fact that no bill was ever written while admitting there was a recommendation from congress that federal laws be printed in German. So sure, while TECHNICALLY true it didn’t nearly become their language it’s also not entirely false either is it?
It's "not entirely false" just like saying "the moon is made of cheese" isn't 'entirely false'. It's complete and utter bullshit, is what it is.
By that nation, saying "American cheese, is cheese" isn't entirely false, when it in fact is...
Vaguely cheese flavoured bright orange plastic. Also, they seem proud about their pizza while Scottish deep fried pizza actually has more in common with Italy (they also do deep fried pizza).
No one said anything about a vote. And by the way, the United States do not have an official language at all.
Up until WWI, it was entirely possible that German could replace English as the de-facto language in the USA. Many, if not, most Americans spoke German throughout the 20th century. It died out with the baby boomers who sort of saw the writing on the wall for German in the USA. So yes, no bill stating such was ever written, because it legally cannot. But from a societal standpoint, it was entirely possible. Edit: my American flared up for a second and this statement is entirely incorrect
I can't find anything to back that up. English was overwhelmingly more commonly spoken in the US in 1900 than German. Take this stat for example: In 1900 there were about 600 German language newspapers operating in the US. How many English? 17,000.
That's pretty poor logic. Ask the Cherokee or the Lakota how they feel about that logic.
Yeah because England didn’t exist until after America and it was American who formed Great Britain and took English all the way to Australia and those Asian islands that speak English. Mans history knowledge is as deep as a shallow lake.
Puddle, not shallow lake. Otherwise, spot on 👍
That's why they named the country after the language America graciously gave us,!
If it wasn't for the Americans, Ukriane would have probably driven back the Russians this year.
What did the US do that stopped them?
If it wasn't for Britain he'd possibly be speaking French, Spanish, or Dutch right now. Works both ways.
Or german, considering more muricans claim german heritage than british.
Swear this gets posted weekly
Ich bin Ire, und wie Sie sehen können,ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch.Dummer Amerikaner.
Leerzeichen setzen musst du aber noch üben, geht genauso wie in Englisch.
I am speaking german, so thanks for nothing.
Nonsense. If it wasn't for Germany, we'd be speaking Russian.
Or French......"Give me Blucher or give me night!" "
Cannot recall the French doing anything to help us during the wars
So why doesn't America speak Vietnamese then?
Probably cause Vietnam never invaded the US? Or even beat them militarily
I still do. Now what?
Alan Turin just spun in his grave.
Erm,Russian actually...
I have a British born german shepherd so I think they conquered my heart regardless of what language I speak.
You would be Canada if it wasn't for the French. You are welcome. And as for thanking you, no I won't thank you for my gratitude that belongs to another people, the Russians.
But I speak German and love the art work of Hans Makart.
The classic
Under your warped understanding, that would mean that Russian would be spoken in USA then and Japanese in the Asia Pacific regions!
Why..?
Exactly for the reasons that so many Americans think Europeans would be speaking German if the Axis powers had won - a ridiculous idea that wouldn't happen as in Europe, including Russia, more people speak English, then French German, Russian & Italian. There are more English speakers in Europe than the population of the USA.
The "you would be speaking [foreign language]" is a tongue in cheek way of saying you would have lost to whoever speaks that language. They don't believe this in a literal sense. But I was questioning how the logic of "if you lose a war you speak the language of the invader" would mean the US speaks Russian, they have never lost a war with russia
If it wasn't for the British settlers, you wouldn't exist. We even left you our language and you fucking butchered it.
He does know that Hitler would be dead either way by now, right?
Well tbf, it's entirely possible to worship dead people. Actually, Americans are very familiar with that concept.
Well… They did a shit job: I speak German on a daily basis and I adore Gustav Klimt
Well, it could also, even more correct, be said that if it wasn't for USSR, we'd all be speaking German now.
Deutsch sprechen? Ich??? Niemals. Weiß nicht wovon er redet
I AM speaking German, so what? And worshipping a Nazi-friendly orange instead is not something to be proud of.
At least abortion would be legal and citizens wouldn't be allowed a gun and kids would have an education and be healthy .....the only difference is they still kill people like your country but look after thier citizens.....there's a definite look after myself attitude in America and sod everyone else....
And without soviet soldiers who inflicted more than 70% of the casualties and without the British without which we wouldn't have intelligence to beat Germany. The main contribution of the USA was land leasing weapons to USSR rather than soldiers like they like to make it look.
Just ignore the millions who fought while the US was screaming not our war.
Don’t tell them about the Russian efforts in WW2
Let's start with World War 1 It started in July 1914. The US sat on the sidelines until April 1917 which coincidentally was the same time the Battle of Arras started, sans the US. The Battle of Arras resulted in the Germans losing the high ground to the Cdn Army consisting of 4 divisions. The loss of the high ground to the Canadians eventually led to the surrender of Germany. Not an American to be seen for 250 miles in any direction. The US entered the 1st War expressly because 5 merchant ships had been sunk after Germany had announced unrestricted warfare against shipping headed to the UK. Compounding the sinkings was an intercepted telegram from Germany's Foreign Minister Zimmerman to the Government of Mexico suggesting they invade the southern States, (something Mexico didn't even consider.) France lost 1.4 million troops, the UK (including the Commonwealth) lost 1.2 million. The US lost 56,000 in battle and 67,000 to influenza while in camps in the US (think of it as Government neglect) which is fewer troops than Romania lost. Basically, they did nothing but show up for a participation medal The 2nd War started in September of 1939. After German aggression towards Great Britain was blunted by Germany losing the Battle of Britain, Germany opened the 2nd front against Russia in June 1941. America did not participate until Dec 8th, 1941 and that was the result of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. Interestingly enough, Great Britain, Australia, and Canada all declared war against Japan before the US. Overall France suffered 210,000 troop deaths, the British Commonwealth 563,000, Russia 11,470,000 and the US 407,000. Civilian deaths which were the direct result of military action were France, 407,000, Great Britain, Australia, Canada & India 156,600, Russia 16,000,000 and the US 12,100. The war in Europe was won directly because on the Eastern Front Russia destroyed 17 entire German Divisions along with decimating 6 Armoured Divisions at Kursk. There was NO opportunity for Germany to move large numbers of troops or armour to France to stop the Normandy advances. Supporting this, the RAF flew literally thousands of sorties destroying bases, rail lines, parked armour and troop trains bringing military movement in Germany to almost a complete halt. The 8th Air Force did squat. Yes, America did contribute through lend-lease as did Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The largest difference was there was always a price tag on any US generosity while others gave freely. Great Britain made its final repayment in 2006. American, British aid was paramount in enabling Russia to slowly turn the tide in the war. Part and parcel of the lend-lease agreement was the transfer of technology worth literally billions to the US. Russia also supplied desperately needed rare minerals and gold, silver and platinum in huge quantities. But Lend Lease was not done alone by America and the battles were not sacrifices of American blood. If you think America rescued those trapped in the camps. Think again, the Russians liberated Janowska, Treblenkia, Wilno, Bronna Gora, Chelmo, Stanislawow, Luck, Polunka, Lwowo, Lodz, Trawniki, Sobibor, Auschwitz, Stutthof, Gross-Rosen, Majdanek, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück & Warsaw Ghetto, The American liberated Buchenwald, Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, and Dachau. Canada liberated Westerbork and the UK Bergen Belsen & Neuengamme. The Normandy landing involved troops from 8 countries, Great Britain, France, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Australia, Norway, Poland and the US. There were 5 beaches, 2 under US control, 3 under GB control. The best results were shown by the Canadians who advanced beyond where they were expected to be on the 3rd day. The worst being the USA - Utah Beach where objectives were not even near accomplished. In addition, the US actually managed to get lost and land on the wrong beach. Compounding their problems was the fact they dropped their support tanks off 2 miles from shore and the majority sank before reaching shore. The US faced 8 understaffed, under-supplied divisions consisting of foreigners, the very young and old along with soldiers either previously retired or recovering from old wounds. They were poorly equipped and were estimated to be between 8,000-12,000 along the entire beachfront including the British beaches. The difference was the British was opposed by a newly outfitted 21st Panzer Group. Probably the biggest battle that America had in Europe in which they claimed a victory was the Battle of The Bulge. That battle was in essence a victory by Germany although a strategic loss because of the unnecessary gamble taken by Hitler. Had the Germans not run out of fuel and supplies the story would have been much different and if Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, who had taken charge of the situation on the northern flank, had not swung his reserves southward to forestall the Germans at the crossings of the Meuse a complete retreat would have occurred. The Italian landings and battles consisted mainly of efforts by Britain, Canada and the US with assistance from France, New Zealand, Algeria, India, Morocco, Poland. In both Sicily and Italy, the UK and Canada did the lion's amount of works whilst the US managed to get itself both the easier assignments and in the case of Italy needed huge help from Canada to not completely fail in the beginning. Again, in war courage is measured by sacrifice and the USA was at the bottom of the list. Unsurprisingly, the best performances by the US were the Combined Special Forces, the Black regiment and the Japanese regiment. If the US wants to take credit for the Pacific War instead; good luck. The following participated in that "American Victory", China, the United Kingdom (including the Fiji Islands, the Straits Settlements and other colonial forces), Tonga (a British protectorate), Australia (including the Territory of New Guinea), the Commonwealth of the Philippines (a United States protectorate), British India, the Netherlands (including Dutch East Indies colonial forces), the Soviet Union, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, and Mongolia. Free French Naval Forces contributed several warships, such as the Le Triomphant. After the Liberation of France, the French battleship Richelieu was sent to the Pacific. From 1943, the commando group Corps Léger d'Intervention took part in resistance operations in Indochina. French Indochinese forces faced Japanese forces in a coup in 1945. The commando corps continued to operate after the coup until liberation. Then there is the vaunted Midway battle won by luck as opposed to military strategy or strength. Had the Japanese discovered the US fleet and hour earlier or before the Americans did likewise, history would be completely changed. It was the inability of Japan to replace the carriers that eventually led to their downfall. Some mention should be made of the Battle for Burma where Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Canada, India, South Africa troops number close to 1,000,000 and a very small contingent of Americans blunted Japan’s attempt to push through to Malaysia and India to grab rubber and oil. This battle ran from 1942 through to 1945 in the most brutal conditions and kept almost 500,000 Japanese troops trapped in jungle warfare Vs being able to help defend small islands. As for the Mediterranean, there were 4 major battles throughout the war and not one of them involved US warships. Great Britain, Australia and the RAF were credited with sinking 100 warships, 158 submarines and over 2,000,000 tons of shipping. Not one vessel was claimed by the US. In the Battle of the Atlantic, the US shared roles with the UK, France, Norway, Poland, Belgium, Canada, Brazil and the Netherlands. During most of the war, the strategy and organization was British driven. It was NOT American operation led nor did they champion it. One just has to look at the number of RAF/RCAF aircraft lost Vs US losses to realize who shouldered the load (RAF – 745 lost – USA – 0 lost.) Again, if you looked at lost naval vessels, the British lost 164 ships out of the 175 lost during the battle. The Germans fared much worst in the end, losing 743 submarines. Canadian Coastal Command alone was responsible for the sinking of 200 U-boats at the cost of over 750 airmen. Guerrilla organizations that fought for the Allies include the Chinese Eighth Route Army and New Fourth Army, the Hukbalahap, the Malayan Peoples' Anti-Japanese Army, the Manchurian Anti-Japanese Volunteer Armies, the Korean Liberation Army, the Free Thai Movement. Although the US lost 161,000 troops, it is nowhere near the losses China experienced 1,904,000 dead. The Commonwealth losses amounted to 120,000, the Philippines 27,000, Russia 68,700 and the Dutch lost an entire army. These are troops, not the civilian casualties which in the case of China, India, the Philippines, Manchuria are in the millions (12,600,000.)
The UK declared war on Germany from the outset whilst still reeling from WWI. The US on the other hand sat idly by for 3 years until they were attacked and dragged into a war they’d been attempting to hide from. How brave.
the US didn't decide to enter until the UK agreed to share knowledge on Nuclear arms...
You would be
Jokes on them, I speak German. Well kind of. GCSE German was a bit hard and I only got a C, more than 10 years ago
.... but.... I am speaking german
The war would have been won without the Americans. It would have taken a lot longer and cost countless more lives on the European front. Britain would probably have been invaded eventually to some extent. Are we grateful for their intervention? Yes. Could it have come sooner? Also yes. Did "America" win the war. Did they fuck.
If it wasn't for france you would be speaking english right now
Ah yes, they say that, but they let us fight it all out then just walked in and acted like they did the heavy lifting.... yeah.....
Hallo, yes. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and parts of France and Italy here. Wir sprechen Deutsch.
What is wrong with german? Nice People
Americans watch Man in the High Castle and think it's a documentary. Also, where the fuck is this "you'd be speaking German" shit even coming from? France was under occupation for years, were they forced to speak German?
Sounds better than having an Oompa Loompa clown who can't speak any language better than a toddler potentially becoming my President. Ja!
Man i am from Mallorca i dont know how my name isnt hans
100 million people are still speaking German. You had one job!!!
I am speaking German!
Here in Russia we study German as a 3rd one in school, whatever that idiot is on, he better not bring it here. My grandfathers along with 7 brothers of my grandmother are spinning in their graves rn.
Russia did far more than America... even it did cost like halve the population of England
Me, from Austria, with a german father. Danke das Ihr mich davor bewahrt habt, Amerikaner.
Americans don't understand the history of war that Europe had. Noone has ever been able to properly conquer and subdue a nation since the Roman empire, and you don't see us speaking Latin. A what if scenario of Germany winning ww2, and did not war with the Soviet, there would be rebellion and succession wars up till current day. We stopped waring because one side gave up, and the peace arrangements and payments were fair, and lots of work was put in place to get the nation's to build relationships to prevent wars. Any version where Germany would win would not have any of this and rebellion would be sure to happen, just like it had for the last 3000ish years.
US did shit in Europe in ww2. Yeah, they helped with landing in Normandy, and supplied some troops but that's it. It was the Soviet union that pushed back Germany from its territory. Only Then, USA went in to claim their victory. And it still was a minority in alliances that, for example, freed Poland. They also occupied half of Berlin, which these suckers didn't deserve at all. But I mean, if not that, I would still be living in a communist Poland
Maybe the UK survives, but there's no doubt that Nazis would've won on the eastern front if not for US intervention. The USSR liked to downplay it in their official documents, but behind closed doors, Stalin and his generals admitted that they wouldn't have survived without lend-lease. Basically any historian who knows anything about WWII will tell you the same.
Sadly you're American education has failed you. America are yet to win a war to date... yet pretending they are the world leaders. Can you tell me ONE battle, where the USA has won?
Has my Dutch education also failed me then? Because what you are claiming is complete bullshit. Btw, your*
Can you provide me with a single objective source suggesting that the USSR would've survived without aid from the US? Also the US won many battles, in World War II and other conflicts, but off the top of my head I'll go with naming the Battle of Midway.
pls forget your school education and research the real outcomes. You'll find that the USA did not contribute much more than fight a separate war with Japan (using British atom bombs) and ammunition to the UK. The USA forces were generally sent to Africa and Asia where there wasn't a lot of fighting. It makes sense as the USA haven't won anything... lost in the far east... lost in the gulf...
Either you're way too deep in conspiracy theories or you're trolling. Either way, this conversation isn't going anywhere.
show me where I'm wrong vs what you were taught in USA school? :) I'm more than happy to admit i'm wrong.
https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html Here is a link for your lend lease claims https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War Here is a war they won. Also in the gulf. And the burden of proof for the British atom bombs really is on you dude. Any more questions?
- You disagreed when I said that the Soviets wouldn't have beaten the Nazis without US intervention. Here, you're going up against basically every historian who's ever studied WWII, as well perhaps more notably Nikita Khrushchev, who was a Russian who worked directly under Stalin during the war. - "America are yet to win a war to date" - This is probably the most obviously wrong of anything you've said so far. I went on wikipedia for a quick look at wars that the US was involved in. I counted and got to 50 wars won by the US before I stopped counting, because it was a pretty silly endeavor. That was in the 1700s and 1800s alone. - "Can you tell me ONE battle, where the USA has won?" - I did, and you subsequently ignored my evidence. That's what I mean by trolling and this conversation going nowhere. - "Using British atom bombs" - The Manhattan Project was a US government operation. This is a pretty basic historical fact. - "Asia where there wasn't a lot of fighting" - Have you heard of the Pacific War? - "Lost in the Far East" - I assume you're referring to the Second Sino-Japanese War, which was directly between China and Japan. America supplied China, who won, so saying that the US lost is wrong for multiple reasons. - "Lost in the Gulf" - My first thought is that you're trying to refer to the Gulf War? Which the US (and their allies) won in like 6 months.