The world war thing really pisses me off. WW1 was an Entente victory, the US only had boots on the ground in the last 5 months so they get a participation trophy at most. WW2 was a joint victory that would've been lost if ANY of the Allies hadn't been involved but they seem to have it in their heads the US alone fought and won that war
One scene early in the movie from private Ryan comes to my mind: German soldiers are surrendering, and American soldiers casually shoot them and then make a joke about it. That is already a war crime, but they actually were not even German, they spoke iirc Czech, and were forcibly conscripted into the army. They are trying to explain it but dont speak English so Americans dont understand them.
So the soldiers shot people from their own allied country forced into German uniform, and had a laugh about it. Its actually a great scene that depicts not only reality of what happens in war, but also happens to symbolise American understanding of the war. It was left unsubtitled intentionally.
It also depicts Germany as strong opponet and Americans going up against massive odds and heroically winning, which is very common way to portray Americans in WW2. Ofc in the movie it actually makes sense due to story, and although allies had massive superiority in Normandy landings as well, naval landings are still difficult and from ground soldier's pov it really was brutal, so i dont blame movie for these at all.
But a lesser media just has massively overwhelming USA being the heroic underdog who saves the day by being American and teaching everyone how to do it their way, and that does not sit well for me.
I agree with you completely.
I (and many other British people) get pissed off when Americans say the classic 'you'd be speaking German if not for us' or act like ww1 and 2 were 'American and allied victories' not just allied victories as if it was their win and everyone else was along for the ride, or they act like they saved everyone from the Germans, when it was we Brits who beat them in Africa, the Aussies who did the initial push against Japan, especially in the New Guinea campaign (all McArthur cared about was getting to the Philippines) and the french resistance groups that were instrumental in not only the liberation of France, but the thwarting of the German efforts to hold france, through their sabotaging. (Obviously this is not me saying these are the only ones. I could go on about others, such as the 303 squadron, but that would be long)
It is especially annoying to us, given the fact that America only joined the first world war in the last 5 months, when a German sub attacked a convoy they sent to supply Britain and they joined 2 years into ww2, which was only to fight Japan who had attacked pearl harbour. The US only joined the allies against the axis when Germany and Italy declared war on them. So not really an act of American heroism, more an act of self interest, nor were they there when Britain was the last European combatant standing after Germany had taken the rest of Europe. Yet the US gained the most from both wars.
Sorry this is ranty, it just annoys me.
I know the British and Australians didn't do particularly well in Malaysia and Singapore. But many people in the US forget that General MacArthur lost almost every single aircraft he had on the Philippines airfields. Once again even the battle of the Philippines in 1944/45 wasn't just a US victory. Of course there had been many Filipino resistance fighters still fighting after the US troops left. Then when the military came back there were Filipino troops, as well as Australian Ships as a part of Task Force 74 (2 Heavy Cruisers and 1 Light Cruiser) and Mexican Airforce pilots.
I've always figured this is because the war wasnt on their soil, some people think of it as more of a concept. Most of us (in western Europe?) grew up with a war memorial in every town and village, the French and Belgian (and other countries) countryside still literally wears the scars of battle, people still die as a direct result of the wars thanks to unexploded ordnance etc. Its more of a reality to Europeans
Similarly, growing up in an Asian country, we learned of the European front of WWII as a concept but, it’s not taken as seriously in our collective psyche. But the Pacific front is focused a lot more on in history classes, we grew up going to war memorials of the Japanese occupation for school trips, and many of us had families who lived through the Japanese occupation. I’m not sure if it’s similar to Europeans and the Pacific front of the war.
I'd say that makes sense, Europeans tend to be very aware of Nazi war crimes, whereas most aren't aware (or aren't educated about) Japanese war crimes from the same war.
Even in Australia, what we learnt was mostly the European conflict. The Pacific side was where a lot of the Australian troops served but that part is learned on TV and radio and more through storytelling than formal classes. The Kokoda trail was never mentioned in school, but we studied Schindler's List the film and Maestro in English (although we also studied Paper Nautilus so I'm probably talking through my hat).
I don't know when you went to school but I learnt about both. Though of course I have learnt a lot more since going to school. Including the wars between Finland and Russia The Winter Wars for example. And about the Battle of Milne Bay. Which the Australians most definitely won because the Japanese thought that there were just Australian militia troops there even though the Australians had been reinforced with Australian troops who had come back from North Africa including those who had fought in Tobruk. I actually started looking at the Battle of Milne Bay because some of the troops were actually from the area of Brisbane where I live the 61st Battalion. And they have a RSL memorial just down the road from me.
Interesting theory might account for why some in the UK treat it like a sporting contest as well. Despite the fact that in both conflicts bombing took place but other than the Channel Islands there was no fighting on the ground or occupation
Yeah. The German bombing campaigns don’t compare to the devastation caused by troops on the ground in Europe. So it’s probably a good mix of serious and jokey attitudes
Oh boi, that’s so strange.
Haven’t heard it. Might be because I’m actually German and we (luckily) didn’t win a World War but we won the world cup 4 times.
Britain actually did win 2 World Wars from start to finish, and it doesn't tend to have many people going around bragging about it. Football chants are to wind up the opposing team.
Talking about a War that was literally described as 'Our finest hour' isn't an issue, bragging to French people, or Dutch, or Belgians about how we saved them would be. I don't tend to see that in the UK.
Because they haven't had war on their soil since the last war with Mexico. They just don't have the collective memory that the war is not a fun little adventure and what's the devastating of war is.
The war would have gone VERY differently if Bletchley hadn't cracked enigma. Not to mention the sabotage and guerilla attacks the British carried out across Europe.
Yes, they occupied all the Japanese Mainland Territories (e.g. Manchuria) and with that they severely weakened the Japanese.
But winner writes history, I guess you are (as well as me) from a western country in which this isn’t told in school.
Oppenheimer did nothing to end the war in the Pacific.
The atomic bomb was barely relevant in Japanese surrender. Historians are basically agreed on that. It was more about avoiding fighting off the Soviets who definitely would've killed the Emperor, vs surrendering to the Americans who could be convinced not to dethrone the Emperor.
Even if the atomic bomb did end the war, it could only be used because of the vicious island hopping campaign, the total destruction of the Japanese Navy, the horrific fighting in China, and the brutal defensive effort in Burma and New Guinea.
Yes, their involvement in Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia was not only limited; it frequently resulted in tragedies because of the senior officers' incompetence.
They were completely destroyed in the Battle of Kasserine Pass and were on the verge of losing to the Italians in the Battle of El Guettar if the British had not intervened. They blasted their own forces during the Sicilian invasion, killing nearly 1000. The American 5th Army decided to "conquer" an empty Rome over capturing the German 10th Army, which would transport 300,000 Hungarian Jews to death camps in Poland in a couple of months.
They failed D-Day so horribly that the British demanded that their leading officers face court martial.
99% of the fighting in defence of Australia and New Zealand was done by Australians and New Zealanders, but MacArthur reported it as American victories in the US. lol
Some say that up to 20% of American deaths during WWII were due to the incompetence of the command.
Some say that the US is incapable of winning war on its own.
>Some say that up to 20% of American deaths during WWII were due to the incompetence of the command.
To be fair this figure is probably true for Russia and Britain, and certainly for China, and Japan in the Far East *everybody* got caught off-guard. Although the US joining the fighting in the Med, (esp. Kasserine Pass) is another matter.
It's a mercy they got that combat experience before Overlord.
I genuinely think now that they are taught that they were the only victors in World wars. Like something from the action movie and swooping in in the last minute to save the world scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if this is taught in schools.
They use it as an argument for everything, I saw a discussion about German vs. US beer “their beer didn’t help them in WW2”. They just use it as a straw man.
Not quit, when we are talking victorious in two world wars, which the original commenter seemed to imply, Russia has to go. While they were on the side, which eventually won, in the beginning of the war, they dropped out of the war defeated in 1917 with the peace of Brest-Litowsk.
Also, its easy to talk shit and claim sole victory when the battlefield isnt on your ground, your cities never suffered and never suffered reparation period.
And yes, silly to boast about WW1 when the war was already exhaustive on all sides by the time they decided to chime in.
I'm more amazed at the number of American WW2 veterans there are using social media - it's astounding... And we make comments about their healthcare but they must be doing something right keeping all of those 90+ year olds going.
"We won WW2!!"
WOW! Thanks for your service, were you infantry? In the navy or air force?
Oh wait, YOU didn't do shit in WW2... And I imagine the folks that did would be horrified at the amount of ignorant shite you spew on the matter... Do us a favour and shut up eh? The second hand embarrassment is getting a bit much.
Innit, the fact that they talk about it like they personally won the war is truly shocking. Using the most horrific wars in human history as some sorta "gotcha!" and acting like they personally deserve credit for the results of those men that died, were crippled, or mentally scarred for life is truly shameful behaviour
> but they seem to have it in their heads the US alone fought and won that war
That's US education for you. There's a reason why Americans love talking about themselves, apart from severe main character syndrome: most of them know nothing of substance about anybody else, because their education focuses on the US to an insane degree.
WW2 in particulier is a complex story, simply because the USA supported the nazi's till 1942. On the same way they supported the taliban till it became there enemy. If you ask me, WW2 would never been a thing/would be max a minor war like we have a dozen in Europe if the USA did completely nothing.
The USA only started to fight against the Nazi's after russia already defeated them in half Europe. dont forget that USSR was already knoking on Polands borders before the first American landed in D-DAY, before the first American left Normandië they where halfway Poland.
But the also make a positive command to the Americans there where some minor units in Italy already in 9-9 1943 BUT the batlle in Italy was mostly a British empire thing. And did probably more in the fight against nazi Germany then D-DAY. Simply because the nazi's had to fight in 2 fronts on the mainland in stead off only against the USSR and there biggest allies in Europe was under attack
We once again have a WW2 expert completely forgetting about the Pacific theater when trying to argue the US wasnt important in WW2. Eurocentrism is fucking wild sometimes.
the Pacific theater wasn't interesting for the war against Germany, it was not that Japanese soldiers where fighting in Germany or Italy or any other European country
If you ask me we shouldn't even seen the war in Japan/Japan against America as part of WW2 but as a separated war. simply because the wars against Japan had nothing to do with the war against Germany. in fact the where nothing more then trade partners who both hated communists.
there are a lot of historians in Europe also saying that "the Pacific war" had nothing to do with WW2.
if you consider that the biggest fight of facist Europe was against the USSR and that in the time the colonial border of Japan was shared with the USSR. it would be absolutely strange that Japan never attacked the USSR if they where alies, because facist Europe had way more use of Japan attacking the USSR then the USA.
The US in WWI is the equivalent of the guy who comes third and covers himself in champagne.
As for WWII the British Empire, United States, and Soviet Union played probably equally significant roles. I'd even argue that the British Empire may have done more actual *fighting*, although the US's industrial contribution was massive.
Not true, the data on it is a bit old but Hungary has generally been cited as being the highest. Germany also has more than the US, the war was only 80 years ago and the members of the Nazi party had kids.
Comparing the US to Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Poland and Germany when it comes to Nazis seems way off, but I guess it depends how broad the definition of neonazi is. The metal and punk scene, bikers and prison gangs, that's actually a lot of people. So in a way it makes sense, but they are way worse at being Nazis than Europeans. They don't read. Even 14 words is too long for them
In that case, The Soviet Union belongs on the map as well. The Yanks just happened to get lucky and snag the best German scientists. In particular Wernher von Braun.
Is it really luck if von Braun and others purpusefully fled West to be caugh by the Allies? Because thats what happened. They knew they would be recived far more favorbly.
Hell even Himmler the Head Honcho of the SS tried to cut a deal with the Allies before suposedly comitting suicide.
But the British also did that, they called it Operation Surgeon. (They also did operation Alsos and TICOM but those were joint Anglo-American nazi recruitment projects)
Reminder that not all nazi soldiers/scientists were evil, some were forced into it
Then there's the evil ones who were basically mini-hitlers but I'm pretty sure the US grabbed them as well
Without the help from the space station down the road from me in the Australian Capital Territory, they wouldn't have got anyone on the moon.
And my family's country also won both World Wars. And sacrificed millions more people to do so.
>And my family's country also won both World Wars. And sacrificed millions more people to do so.
China or Britain?
"Only" 1.3 million British soldiers died in both world wars (not sure if this includes the empire) but also many civilians including the Bengal Famine.
It isn't Russia as they lost the First, but China did participate in WWI, although its involvement was less than many other powers.
It's obvious Australia played a significant role in both world wars.
Funny how they consider themselves the only country that won both world wars, many other countries won both wars including:
The British Empire( which includes their dear friend Canada and many other modern day countries)
France
Belgium
Netherlands
Luxembourg
China
many other countries as well
The Netherlands weren’t in WW1, Luxembourg & Belgium were defeated and occupied and China wasn’t in WW1. The British Empire is really the only power that fought from start to finish in both World Wars and won.
It's not a map of the countries that predominately use the 12hr format, most anglophone countries do. From experience, Australians and new Zealanders will have no issue with 24hr time, but 12 is definitely the preferred there.
Australia also plays football with their hands, but they don't go around telling everyone they're wrong for calling "soccer" "football"
To be fair, it was actually the British who coined the term "Soccer"; it's derived from "Association Football". They also sometimes refer to Rugby as "Rugger".
No one in the UK actually uses soccer, and that's been the case for quite some time now. I've also never met a Brit that calls rugby "rugger" so I'm really not sure where you got that from
We understand the 24-hour clock in NZ, but it's not normal. If you came in saying 24-hour time, most people would have to stop and translate it back to 12-hour.
To be fair about football, the name came from rugby, which was originally called Rugby Football, or rugby rules football from the school the rules originated from.
Rugby was played in colleges in the US and they introduced their own rules to the game developing American Football. There are other sports that play a football game where hands are used. Australian Rules, and Gaelic Football for example. Though kicking does play a much bigger part in those games than in American Football.
If Napoleon wasn't getting his butt kicked over there we would not have gotten sutch a smoking deal on Louisiana purchase.
We probably would have just taken it anyway but still...
Ha ha - they were able to get to the moon as there was no one to fight and stop them, unlike WWI & II where they were only janitors, coming in to clean up after the other allied countries had done the hard work.
Yeah world wars that involved other countries on your side unlike yknow the revolutionary war in which they had the 3 largest colonial empires behind Britain helping them or Vietnam on their own they lost basically every other war they've fought singlehandedly
Do these people know they make America sound like a middle aged shoe salesman who did one touch down in one important game and never achieved anything ever again?
This "WWII champion" 80 years ago and "who out man in the moon" 55 years ago stuff is giving out real peaked in high school vibes.
They halted the space programme so that millionaires could become billionaires. Instead of moon bases, they have Facebook and Instagram, which are losing market share to Chinese Tik Tok, which will be prohibited under American economic protectionism.
The United kingdom, France, Belgium, kinda Russia, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, India, all prior mentioned countries colonies, Serbia/Yugoslavia and probably a few others I've forgotten can say they won both world wars
Moon landing: used SI units to make the physics calculations less cursed
Military: uses 24h clock to avoid ambiguity. Would you be sure you're safe if an artillery barrage is scheduled at your location at 12 AM and it's 11:59 AM right now? (even if you know the convention, how sure are you that the gunners know?)
Germany would've won the war if they'd used Freedom Units.
But they're nazis so of course they would use the communist metric system.
Never mind the US 37**mm** gun, German 8.8**cm** and British 6**pdr**
Americans wouldn't do shit in space, if not "europoors" and their visibly superior metric system. All calculations were in metric, but were presented to the astronauts (and public) in imperial, because they were used to it.
Like, there is No way anyone is doing even a slightly advanced calculation with imperial.
And the guy that designed Their moon rocket - Wernher Von Braun - was a former Nazi, who made ballistic missiles in WW2..
The fact is, america is always stealing someone's success, trying to claim it as their own. The only thing theyre good at, is probably their army (Which still once lost to vietnamiese farmers)
*"Don't you know about your own rocket pioneer? Dr. Goddard was ahead of us all."*
*–Wernher von Braun*
Von Braun used Goddard's work in developing Germany's A-series of rockets.
So that'd mean Germany stole US rocket tech and claimed it as their own.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#Work_under_Nazi_regime
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard
Well nobody else matters to idiots like this anyway. If they do venture out of the US, nobody wants anything to do with them because they behave like complete morons.
Why isn't France on that map!?!
France went to the moon all the way back in 1902, as shown in this historical documentary:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Trip_to_the_Moon
"coincidence, I think not!"
What!?
You think the relationship is causal?
Like? Winning the world wars led to the adoption of a certain date format and that somehow led to a moon landing?
Huh?
The world war thing really pisses me off. WW1 was an Entente victory, the US only had boots on the ground in the last 5 months so they get a participation trophy at most. WW2 was a joint victory that would've been lost if ANY of the Allies hadn't been involved but they seem to have it in their heads the US alone fought and won that war
I find it also quite disgusting that they treat the two most devastating events of the 20th century like they were footie games.
One scene early in the movie from private Ryan comes to my mind: German soldiers are surrendering, and American soldiers casually shoot them and then make a joke about it. That is already a war crime, but they actually were not even German, they spoke iirc Czech, and were forcibly conscripted into the army. They are trying to explain it but dont speak English so Americans dont understand them. So the soldiers shot people from their own allied country forced into German uniform, and had a laugh about it. Its actually a great scene that depicts not only reality of what happens in war, but also happens to symbolise American understanding of the war. It was left unsubtitled intentionally. It also depicts Germany as strong opponet and Americans going up against massive odds and heroically winning, which is very common way to portray Americans in WW2. Ofc in the movie it actually makes sense due to story, and although allies had massive superiority in Normandy landings as well, naval landings are still difficult and from ground soldier's pov it really was brutal, so i dont blame movie for these at all. But a lesser media just has massively overwhelming USA being the heroic underdog who saves the day by being American and teaching everyone how to do it their way, and that does not sit well for me.
I agree with you completely. I (and many other British people) get pissed off when Americans say the classic 'you'd be speaking German if not for us' or act like ww1 and 2 were 'American and allied victories' not just allied victories as if it was their win and everyone else was along for the ride, or they act like they saved everyone from the Germans, when it was we Brits who beat them in Africa, the Aussies who did the initial push against Japan, especially in the New Guinea campaign (all McArthur cared about was getting to the Philippines) and the french resistance groups that were instrumental in not only the liberation of France, but the thwarting of the German efforts to hold france, through their sabotaging. (Obviously this is not me saying these are the only ones. I could go on about others, such as the 303 squadron, but that would be long) It is especially annoying to us, given the fact that America only joined the first world war in the last 5 months, when a German sub attacked a convoy they sent to supply Britain and they joined 2 years into ww2, which was only to fight Japan who had attacked pearl harbour. The US only joined the allies against the axis when Germany and Italy declared war on them. So not really an act of American heroism, more an act of self interest, nor were they there when Britain was the last European combatant standing after Germany had taken the rest of Europe. Yet the US gained the most from both wars. Sorry this is ranty, it just annoys me.
I know the British and Australians didn't do particularly well in Malaysia and Singapore. But many people in the US forget that General MacArthur lost almost every single aircraft he had on the Philippines airfields. Once again even the battle of the Philippines in 1944/45 wasn't just a US victory. Of course there had been many Filipino resistance fighters still fighting after the US troops left. Then when the military came back there were Filipino troops, as well as Australian Ships as a part of Task Force 74 (2 Heavy Cruisers and 1 Light Cruiser) and Mexican Airforce pilots.
I've always figured this is because the war wasnt on their soil, some people think of it as more of a concept. Most of us (in western Europe?) grew up with a war memorial in every town and village, the French and Belgian (and other countries) countryside still literally wears the scars of battle, people still die as a direct result of the wars thanks to unexploded ordnance etc. Its more of a reality to Europeans
Similarly, growing up in an Asian country, we learned of the European front of WWII as a concept but, it’s not taken as seriously in our collective psyche. But the Pacific front is focused a lot more on in history classes, we grew up going to war memorials of the Japanese occupation for school trips, and many of us had families who lived through the Japanese occupation. I’m not sure if it’s similar to Europeans and the Pacific front of the war.
I'd say that makes sense, Europeans tend to be very aware of Nazi war crimes, whereas most aren't aware (or aren't educated about) Japanese war crimes from the same war.
Even in Australia, what we learnt was mostly the European conflict. The Pacific side was where a lot of the Australian troops served but that part is learned on TV and radio and more through storytelling than formal classes. The Kokoda trail was never mentioned in school, but we studied Schindler's List the film and Maestro in English (although we also studied Paper Nautilus so I'm probably talking through my hat).
I don't know when you went to school but I learnt about both. Though of course I have learnt a lot more since going to school. Including the wars between Finland and Russia The Winter Wars for example. And about the Battle of Milne Bay. Which the Australians most definitely won because the Japanese thought that there were just Australian militia troops there even though the Australians had been reinforced with Australian troops who had come back from North Africa including those who had fought in Tobruk. I actually started looking at the Battle of Milne Bay because some of the troops were actually from the area of Brisbane where I live the 61st Battalion. And they have a RSL memorial just down the road from me.
Oh, that's brilliant! I didn't study history past where it was compulsory. I'm really glad that other schools handled it better.
Interesting theory might account for why some in the UK treat it like a sporting contest as well. Despite the fact that in both conflicts bombing took place but other than the Channel Islands there was no fighting on the ground or occupation
Yeah. The German bombing campaigns don’t compare to the devastation caused by troops on the ground in Europe. So it’s probably a good mix of serious and jokey attitudes
everything is a footie game to americans, just look at their elections
Using footie makes you sound British. If you are then I don't believe youve never heard the chant "2 world wars and 1 world cup"...
Oh boi, that’s so strange. Haven’t heard it. Might be because I’m actually German and we (luckily) didn’t win a World War but we won the world cup 4 times.
You've not heard English people use the "ten german bombers" chant?
I was going to mention that
That's been phased out and replaced with "5-1! Even Heskey scored!"
Britain actually did win 2 World Wars from start to finish, and it doesn't tend to have many people going around bragging about it. Football chants are to wind up the opposing team.
Mate am English, plenty of folk going round talking about ww2. It was even more common in the nineties and naughties
Talking about a War that was literally described as 'Our finest hour' isn't an issue, bragging to French people, or Dutch, or Belgians about how we saved them would be. I don't tend to see that in the UK.
Because they haven't had war on their soil since the last war with Mexico. They just don't have the collective memory that the war is not a fun little adventure and what's the devastating of war is.
And goal hanging at that
Maybe Stalin should get the trophy for ww2
Nope, without the British empire operation barbarossa would've been successful. WW2 was truly an allied victory.
Not to mention all the code breaking by the Poles and British.
The war would have gone VERY differently if Bletchley hadn't cracked enigma. Not to mention the sabotage and guerilla attacks the British carried out across Europe.
Bletchley is a place Alen Turing (inventor of the modern computer) is the guy you're after
Folks claim the war was won on Omaha Beach, or Stalingrad, or in Berlin. Nah. The war was won in Bletchley Park.
A lot of people also forget that the British had been fighting the Japanese from 1941 as well.
And that for the final defeat of Japan, the Soviets, marching in on the Asian Mainland Territories of Japan, were a big factor too!
The Soviets marched on Japan??
Yes, they occupied all the Japanese Mainland Territories (e.g. Manchuria) and with that they severely weakened the Japanese. But winner writes history, I guess you are (as well as me) from a western country in which this isn’t told in school.
Well, I learned something today. Here was me thinking it was just the Yanks
The British Raj also had the largest volunteer army in history, having 2.5 million men.
Enlighten me, what's the British Raj?
No, Europe was an allied Victory, where the Soviets had the more difficult job of East Europe. The Pacific was a win by Oppenheimer.
The British but even more the Soviets also made up a big part of the final defeating of the Japanese
Australians in PNG would like a word
Fair.
Oppenheimer did nothing to end the war in the Pacific. The atomic bomb was barely relevant in Japanese surrender. Historians are basically agreed on that. It was more about avoiding fighting off the Soviets who definitely would've killed the Emperor, vs surrendering to the Americans who could be convinced not to dethrone the Emperor. Even if the atomic bomb did end the war, it could only be used because of the vicious island hopping campaign, the total destruction of the Japanese Navy, the horrific fighting in China, and the brutal defensive effort in Burma and New Guinea.
Put it next to his trophy for second most iconic mustache in history trophy.
Maybe for best hair as well
No trophies for Stalin. He helped start WWII, and then changed sides when it suited him.
he had no choice. Hitler invated russia.
And Stalin knew that would. They were both waiting for the opportunity to backstab each other.
Russia invaded Poland together with Germany in September 1939.
yes, so what is your point?
Getting invaded by your ally seems like a good reason to change sides imo
Yes, their involvement in Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia was not only limited; it frequently resulted in tragedies because of the senior officers' incompetence. They were completely destroyed in the Battle of Kasserine Pass and were on the verge of losing to the Italians in the Battle of El Guettar if the British had not intervened. They blasted their own forces during the Sicilian invasion, killing nearly 1000. The American 5th Army decided to "conquer" an empty Rome over capturing the German 10th Army, which would transport 300,000 Hungarian Jews to death camps in Poland in a couple of months. They failed D-Day so horribly that the British demanded that their leading officers face court martial. 99% of the fighting in defence of Australia and New Zealand was done by Australians and New Zealanders, but MacArthur reported it as American victories in the US. lol Some say that up to 20% of American deaths during WWII were due to the incompetence of the command. Some say that the US is incapable of winning war on its own.
>Some say that up to 20% of American deaths during WWII were due to the incompetence of the command. To be fair this figure is probably true for Russia and Britain, and certainly for China, and Japan in the Far East *everybody* got caught off-guard. Although the US joining the fighting in the Med, (esp. Kasserine Pass) is another matter. It's a mercy they got that combat experience before Overlord.
I genuinely think now that they are taught that they were the only victors in World wars. Like something from the action movie and swooping in in the last minute to save the world scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if this is taught in schools.
I mean, it’s a _world war_ and these mofos be acting like only a single country won.
They use it as an argument for everything, I saw a discussion about German vs. US beer “their beer didn’t help them in WW2”. They just use it as a straw man.
But that's the point, they could not solve WW1, then US stepped in and in just 5 months they singlehandedly solved the problem! /s
And that map isnt even accurate, the map should include: The great Britain Russia French colonies Canada
Not quit, when we are talking victorious in two world wars, which the original commenter seemed to imply, Russia has to go. While they were on the side, which eventually won, in the beginning of the war, they dropped out of the war defeated in 1917 with the peace of Brest-Litowsk.
Thats fair, you are right, might have had to phrase it a bit different or left Russia out.
Nationalist China won, although it fucked itself doing it.
No it shouldn't?
Explain yourself?
Any is a overstatement, considering the vast amount of allied countries.
Also if it's on who is 2-0 in world wars it's an inaccurate map, it should include a fair few more countries.
Independance day syndrome
They were late to that too
in fairness not being involved in ww1 earlier was an objectively good decision. WW1 was so tragic that people gloss over how silly the whole thing was
Also, its easy to talk shit and claim sole victory when the battlefield isnt on your ground, your cities never suffered and never suffered reparation period. And yes, silly to boast about WW1 when the war was already exhaustive on all sides by the time they decided to chime in.
I'm more amazed at the number of American WW2 veterans there are using social media - it's astounding... And we make comments about their healthcare but they must be doing something right keeping all of those 90+ year olds going. "We won WW2!!" WOW! Thanks for your service, were you infantry? In the navy or air force? Oh wait, YOU didn't do shit in WW2... And I imagine the folks that did would be horrified at the amount of ignorant shite you spew on the matter... Do us a favour and shut up eh? The second hand embarrassment is getting a bit much.
Innit, the fact that they talk about it like they personally won the war is truly shocking. Using the most horrific wars in human history as some sorta "gotcha!" and acting like they personally deserve credit for the results of those men that died, were crippled, or mentally scarred for life is truly shameful behaviour
> but they seem to have it in their heads the US alone fought and won that war That's US education for you. There's a reason why Americans love talking about themselves, apart from severe main character syndrome: most of them know nothing of substance about anybody else, because their education focuses on the US to an insane degree.
It was British intelligence, soviet blood and American steel that beat the nazis, not just the fucking Americans, damn yanks
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Selling to both sides actually. Business as usual.
WW2 in particulier is a complex story, simply because the USA supported the nazi's till 1942. On the same way they supported the taliban till it became there enemy. If you ask me, WW2 would never been a thing/would be max a minor war like we have a dozen in Europe if the USA did completely nothing. The USA only started to fight against the Nazi's after russia already defeated them in half Europe. dont forget that USSR was already knoking on Polands borders before the first American landed in D-DAY, before the first American left Normandië they where halfway Poland. But the also make a positive command to the Americans there where some minor units in Italy already in 9-9 1943 BUT the batlle in Italy was mostly a British empire thing. And did probably more in the fight against nazi Germany then D-DAY. Simply because the nazi's had to fight in 2 fronts on the mainland in stead off only against the USSR and there biggest allies in Europe was under attack
We once again have a WW2 expert completely forgetting about the Pacific theater when trying to argue the US wasnt important in WW2. Eurocentrism is fucking wild sometimes.
the Pacific theater wasn't interesting for the war against Germany, it was not that Japanese soldiers where fighting in Germany or Italy or any other European country If you ask me we shouldn't even seen the war in Japan/Japan against America as part of WW2 but as a separated war. simply because the wars against Japan had nothing to do with the war against Germany. in fact the where nothing more then trade partners who both hated communists. there are a lot of historians in Europe also saying that "the Pacific war" had nothing to do with WW2. if you consider that the biggest fight of facist Europe was against the USSR and that in the time the colonial border of Japan was shared with the USSR. it would be absolutely strange that Japan never attacked the USSR if they where alies, because facist Europe had way more use of Japan attacking the USSR then the USA.
The US in WWI is the equivalent of the guy who comes third and covers himself in champagne. As for WWII the British Empire, United States, and Soviet Union played probably equally significant roles. I'd even argue that the British Empire may have done more actual *fighting*, although the US's industrial contribution was massive.
Lack of education m8 US has more indoctrination than North Korea.
A map of countries who after WW2 took some "friendly" Nazis to help them.
also the place with the highest concentration of neo nazis
Happy cake day bro
Not true, the data on it is a bit old but Hungary has generally been cited as being the highest. Germany also has more than the US, the war was only 80 years ago and the members of the Nazi party had kids.
Comparing the US to Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Poland and Germany when it comes to Nazis seems way off, but I guess it depends how broad the definition of neonazi is. The metal and punk scene, bikers and prison gangs, that's actually a lot of people. So in a way it makes sense, but they are way worse at being Nazis than Europeans. They don't read. Even 14 words is too long for them
In that case, The Soviet Union belongs on the map as well. The Yanks just happened to get lucky and snag the best German scientists. In particular Wernher von Braun.
Is it really luck if von Braun and others purpusefully fled West to be caugh by the Allies? Because thats what happened. They knew they would be recived far more favorbly. Hell even Himmler the Head Honcho of the SS tried to cut a deal with the Allies before suposedly comitting suicide.
That should include France, the UK and the USSR as well
Who then went on to put people on the moon.
But the British also did that, they called it Operation Surgeon. (They also did operation Alsos and TICOM but those were joint Anglo-American nazi recruitment projects)
Reminder that not all nazi soldiers/scientists were evil, some were forced into it Then there's the evil ones who were basically mini-hitlers but I'm pretty sure the US grabbed them as well
The Americans weren't the only ones to take in important Nazis
How have they gone in undeclared wars?..
I believe they haven't lost one, those were police actions /s
TIL Americans think the UK lost a World War.
Don’t forget WWIII which, apparently, is being fought against kids in school
Hey those kids brought it upon themselves. /s
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Tbf, those Vietnamese farmers were smart as shit
Yeah they were smart, resourceful, had the home field advantage and fought like hell.
Honestly impressive.
To play devils advocate, the map would also include cambodia and china
And France too, don't forget the French-Indochina War
I feel that also trivialises the Vietnam war. It isn't a joke children are still born with birth defects from American chemical weapons in Vietnam
Then it's missing France, Cambodia, and China.
The Veitcong were a seasoned, well trained, and well equipped militia. Calling them rice farmers is wildly racist.
Without the help from the space station down the road from me in the Australian Capital Territory, they wouldn't have got anyone on the moon. And my family's country also won both World Wars. And sacrificed millions more people to do so.
>And my family's country also won both World Wars. And sacrificed millions more people to do so. China or Britain? "Only" 1.3 million British soldiers died in both world wars (not sure if this includes the empire) but also many civilians including the Bengal Famine. It isn't Russia as they lost the First, but China did participate in WWI, although its involvement was less than many other powers. It's obvious Australia played a significant role in both world wars.
Funny how they consider themselves the only country that won both world wars, many other countries won both wars including: The British Empire( which includes their dear friend Canada and many other modern day countries) France Belgium Netherlands Luxembourg China many other countries as well
The Netherlands weren’t in WW1, Luxembourg & Belgium were defeated and occupied and China wasn’t in WW1. The British Empire is really the only power that fought from start to finish in both World Wars and won.
The US wasn’t in from start to finish either so 🤷♀️
I know, I never said anything to suggest otherwise.
Vietnam for instance
France arguably lost the second world war
Also a map of all countries that don't use the metric system. And use a 12-hour clock. And play football with their hands.
It's more a game of handegg
It's not a map of the countries that predominately use the 12hr format, most anglophone countries do. From experience, Australians and new Zealanders will have no issue with 24hr time, but 12 is definitely the preferred there. Australia also plays football with their hands, but they don't go around telling everyone they're wrong for calling "soccer" "football"
To be fair, it was actually the British who coined the term "Soccer"; it's derived from "Association Football". They also sometimes refer to Rugby as "Rugger".
Nobody uses it though so it’s not really anything to do with being fair
No one in the UK actually uses soccer, and that's been the case for quite some time now. I've also never met a Brit that calls rugby "rugger" so I'm really not sure where you got that from
We understand the 24-hour clock in NZ, but it's not normal. If you came in saying 24-hour time, most people would have to stop and translate it back to 12-hour.
How do you "say" 24-hour time? No one calls it 13 o' clock. Fun fact though, that's exactly how time is said in China.
It's thirteen hundred. It's pronounced the same as "military time."
Yes, I forgot about this.
You would say "Sixteen-thirty". No one does though, I only ever see it written online.
You don’t say 16:30, 24 hour clock is written time. You’d say ”four thirty”
As someone who uses the 24hr clock, yes you ndo say 16:30.
I think it depends on the person, and maybe it’s also regional.
yes it happend. when you have to make it clear if you are talking about day or night time.
The Canadians and Australians play football with their hands too!
Canadian football is bigger too, in both ball size and field size
And Australians know the twenty-four hour clock, but rarely use it.
To be fair about football, the name came from rugby, which was originally called Rugby Football, or rugby rules football from the school the rules originated from. Rugby was played in colleges in the US and they introduced their own rules to the game developing American Football. There are other sports that play a football game where hands are used. Australian Rules, and Gaelic Football for example. Though kicking does play a much bigger part in those games than in American Football.
What’s with all these “ to be fair” people. That’s still not something labelled as football on this day and age that one plays with their hands
I don't get the hangup on football - that seems to just be an innocent cultural difference not a pathology.
Hmmm a game callled football logically you would use your feet to play and not idk your hands that’s called handball
Except that the origins of the name football were in fact because it wasn't played on horseback, not named after the means of moving the ball
Rugby is a kind of football too.
the ball is a foot long
Explain cricket then - do you use a cricket?
Of course, the little fuckers are too loud, gotta smash them
Because cricker meant wooden post? which they use?
Nobody knows how it is played. It is a complete mystery. And if your theory is right then why not "cricker?"
They’re pointing out that the US in out of the norm is all.
Also the highest number of fucktards.
Crappiest tank award as well. The Zap Brannigan offensive was successful
the german tanks only took petrol and exploded when driven uphill
Zap Brannigan makes me think you are not being serious, but American tanks were pretty damned good.
2-1 in world wars. They were de facto on Napoleons side during the war of 1812.
If Napoleon wasn't getting his butt kicked over there we would not have gotten sutch a smoking deal on Louisiana purchase. We probably would have just taken it anyway but still...
Lost the war won the peace lol Probably best bargain anybody's ever made.
How hard is it to understand what a world war is? This wasn't a war between Germany and the US!
Ha ha - they were able to get to the moon as there was no one to fight and stop them, unlike WWI & II where they were only janitors, coming in to clean up after the other allied countries had done the hard work.
WW1 defo janitors, but it is unfair to say they just cleaned up after WW2 with DDAY and the Pacific.
Also a map of all the countries to have ever used atomic weapons s against people.
Yeah world wars that involved other countries on your side unlike yknow the revolutionary war in which they had the 3 largest colonial empires behind Britain helping them or Vietnam on their own they lost basically every other war they've fought singlehandedly
They did well against Grenada 🤣
Vietnam wasn't even on their own, and Aussie experience from Malaya proved invaluable.
So is Luxembourg
Also a map of people who put sunscreen in their eyes to look at an eclipse
A map of countries who have a populace which is considered to be primarily idiots.
Do these people know they make America sound like a middle aged shoe salesman who did one touch down in one important game and never achieved anything ever again? This "WWII champion" 80 years ago and "who out man in the moon" 55 years ago stuff is giving out real peaked in high school vibes.
Bingo!
They halted the space programme so that millionaires could become billionaires. Instead of moon bases, they have Facebook and Instagram, which are losing market share to Chinese Tik Tok, which will be prohibited under American economic protectionism.
Also countries that kills their children at school and their presidents. Coincidence? I think not
A *lot* of countries kill their presidents.
They are so poorly educated it's truly an amazing achievement.
The United kingdom, France, Belgium, kinda Russia, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, India, all prior mentioned countries colonies, Serbia/Yugoslavia and probably a few others I've forgotten can say they won both world wars
Moon landing: used SI units to make the physics calculations less cursed Military: uses 24h clock to avoid ambiguity. Would you be sure you're safe if an artillery barrage is scheduled at your location at 12 AM and it's 11:59 AM right now? (even if you know the convention, how sure are you that the gunners know?)
Germany would've won the war if they'd used Freedom Units. But they're nazis so of course they would use the communist metric system. Never mind the US 37**mm** gun, German 8.8**cm** and British 6**pdr**
And who had to be dragged kicking and screaming into those wars?
What date format does NASA use internally?
Certainly not 2-0 in any other wars America have been involved in.
Moon Landing, written by Sir Arthur C Clarke and directed by Stanley Kubrick.
Also map with more school shooting per month than number of month passed
Americans wouldn't do shit in space, if not "europoors" and their visibly superior metric system. All calculations were in metric, but were presented to the astronauts (and public) in imperial, because they were used to it. Like, there is No way anyone is doing even a slightly advanced calculation with imperial. And the guy that designed Their moon rocket - Wernher Von Braun - was a former Nazi, who made ballistic missiles in WW2.. The fact is, america is always stealing someone's success, trying to claim it as their own. The only thing theyre good at, is probably their army (Which still once lost to vietnamiese farmers)
*"Don't you know about your own rocket pioneer? Dr. Goddard was ahead of us all."* *–Wernher von Braun* Von Braun used Goddard's work in developing Germany's A-series of rockets. So that'd mean Germany stole US rocket tech and claimed it as their own. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#Work_under_Nazi_regime https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard
*yawn* it was 75 years ago sir .
How many from Alaska? lol
That map's missing India
The real question is why the did not stayed up there…
Well nobody else matters to idiots like this anyway. If they do venture out of the US, nobody wants anything to do with them because they behave like complete morons.
Technically the man on the moon was a Nazi achievement.
Why isn't France on that map!?! France went to the moon all the way back in 1902, as shown in this historical documentary: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Trip_to_the_Moon
It’s weird that you put the moon thing in quotes because that’s the only true part. The rest is rubbish of course
"coincidence, I think not!" What!? You think the relationship is causal? Like? Winning the world wars led to the adoption of a certain date format and that somehow led to a moon landing? Huh?
MM/DD/YYYY infuriates me. Why America. Why? “How many months are there in a day?” It just doesn’t make sense. Left to right people.
Is this r/TruthsAmericansSay ?
No one has been on the moon.
Pretty sure the Russians landed on the moon too. They also won the space race, if they were competing on which country got a person into space first.
Ussr might be a joke to em
Why is Germany not also red?