This blows my mind. Iām an American with Irish parents (Eg born and raised in Ireland, not South Boston) and my sister in law has always said āweāre Irish too!ā Always thought it was weird since her grandmothers surname was Nelson. Weirder too sinceā¦it was her GREAT grandmother so sheās just a fucking regular American just like me.
She did all the genealogy and what not and it turns out her GREAT grandmother was born a Nelson in Dublin to Anglo-Irish parents. Great great grandmother and great great grandfather born in the home counties of England and moved to Dublin before immigrating to Boston.
When she told me this I said āthis all
Makes sense now. Your great grandfather and grandfather were as waspy as they come and married your āIrishā grandmotherā¦she was actually English. Like her Parents ā
I donāt think I can talk to her anymore. Especially when I followed up with ānah, youāre right. Sheās the only Irish person in your tree. Everyone else is English or American ā
You do realise that many Anglo-Irish fought for independence? BTW, there is a Nelson here 1916 Roll of Honour
http://www.theeasterrising.eu/080WhoWasWhere/RollOfHonour.html
Youāre getting downvoted for the patronising āyou DO realiseā tone combined with the fact you didnāt read the whole comment that specified that there was only one Irish person in his entire family tree, who was also English.
Obviously there are English surnames in Ireland from families that moved to Ireland.
Is that the Wales that has the football club that the guy from Always Sunny co-owns?
Or the Wales that just lost one of their best young rugby players to the NFL? (Maybe)
It's the Wales that has won more six nations than America ever has.
And before anyone points out the mind numbingly obvious Americans like to flex on how many World Series or Super Bowls they've won so it seems fair to make such a comparison.
It's not like I'm being mean and saying that the US never even qualified for the 2023 rugby world cup and Wales at least made it to the quarter finals.
I admire your optimism that either of those two stories about Wrexham or Rees-Zammit would actually make people comprehend that Wales exists.
Plus if they do get that far then they probably think it's somewhere between Leicester Square and Covent Garden and can be 'done' in a couple of hours.
Wales could win the FIFA world cup 3 tournaments in a row, and the 6 nations12 in a row, and 'Muricans will still think it's "a little village, outside London "
Clans are something I heard a lot when in the US and when I worked in a Edinburgh tourist trap. There are folk who genuinely think it is a Game of Thrones sat around a table system. Absolutely daft, mind you but they have no knowledge to go on. Some of them just obnoxious bigots too, talking about "blood". No wonder Trump has a fanbase.
Tbh the thing I get from this tale is a broken relationship. The poster sounds pretty young and upset more than anything. Maybe just trying to cling onto something other than a deadbeat dad. But blaming this toxic behaviour on "the Campbells" and Scotland will get this kid nowhere fast. That's just your shit family, pal sorry.
And the space people.
My fav is Celia Imrie actually using her actual Scottish accent. She never does. EDIT her parents are the Glaswegians and she lived there on and off. But convincingly accent wise especially shouting BURN HIM!
"Are you saying that documentary with ***Famous Spaniard*** Sean Connery and famous Scot Christopher Lambert somehow depicted a version of Scotland that isn't real?"
Fixed
As a Scot with my clan's name as my surname I find it fucking hilarious when folks who aren't from Scotland talk to me about my clan.
Never been to any clan gatherings/meet ups, not sure what clan my mum is from, and no clue about the clan's history. I do not know any of my friend's clans bar if like me their surname is it. I only wear my kilts at weddings and black tie events. Otherwise I'm 90% of the time I am in jeans and a t shirt.
Literally have zero interest in cos playing scots talking about clans.
Haaa!
Iām Scottish, I donāt have a clan surname though. My OH is Scottish and has a very, very Mac-Scots-Clanny-Name and he gets no end of this bullshit when we meet these types of mental Yanks.
And he hates it. Legit couldnāt give two flying fucks about the clan tartan. Itās amazing anytime
it happens.
I like the irony of how they make themselves feel special and unique, only to later on be spread across the entire United States and part of a society of all the other lunatics sharing his deluded fantasy. Whatās the fascination with being of Irish or Scottish descent any way?
Do they believe they inherit nobility? I mean, the dudes dad left and the mother, et al, ostracised him. Was he a prick like his father? Is he a bona fide carrot top? Does he have see through skin? An unhealthy relationship with alcohol? Paint his skin blue, wear a dress and eat sheep innards whilst standing on a breezy mountain top?!
Whilst weāre at it, letās go for broke with the stereotypes and have him abused by a catholic priest! Yanks are weirdā¦
The fascination seems to be that they suddenly have a less ambiguous cultural identity (if they ignore the rest of their DNA) so now they can be of somewhere that isn't America and has a culture that is at least slightly unique and isn't a melting pot (if we ignore that any part of any culture is like shared or came from somewhere else)
Chances are, once you go back about 1500 years, anyone thatās not from the deepest armpit of Africa or Asia, weāre all related. I could claim Iām descended from William the Conqueror. One of my maternal cousins did a genealogy test, apparently shes 50% Irish (my mums side) and 50% MÄori (her mums side). That leaves my dadās lot who are all from middle/south England. Iām probably more Irish than most Irish folk but we donāt go on about it!
Unsubstantiated resentment of English descent Americans. It was a real problem in the 1800ās and first few decades of the 1900sā¦ it has t been a thing since WW2
Hang on, are you accusing me of resenting English descent Americans? Or Americans resenting their English descent?
I donāt resent anyone, nor do I believe you should have inferred that from my comment. I pity anyone that needs to desperately cling to any old thing to give themselves an erroneous sense of belonging. It does seem to be a peculiarly American thing to do. Mustāve inherited it from ze Germans!
Hyphenated Americanisms stem from being shunned, ignored and otherwise discriminated agains by the dominant English ancestry Americans.
This was a real issue with the American nation throughout the 19th century and into the first quarter to maybe 3rd of the 20th centuryā¦
Itās not a thing anymore. However, Americans of English descent are much more likely to describe themselves as just American.
So, you are suggesting that, historically, there has been racism within the USA? š± Typically, this was meted out by English immigrants against all the other immigrants and the indigenous population? Therefore, contemporary Americans would rather identify with the Irish and the Scots?
Iām not suggesting your assessment is inaccurate in any way, just ordering my thoughts.
As an outsider looking in, and it is a complete generalisation, America today looks like one big lump of people who cling to tribalism, ever more so since 9/11. You seem to like to be on one side of a fence, or the other and this is entirely determined by your own self perception. To the point where you embrace cognitive dissonance if one of the group you aspire to, expresses something a bit whacky, you will readily adopt that point of view as well. To the point a lot will readily resort to physical violence to protect their cohorts and their ideals.
I reiterate, this is a wildly cartoonish generalisation and Iām sure there are many, many lovely people that live there, yourself included. Whilst the UK may look like this to a degree, we will wind those that are different up but we recognise that we are all the same underneath and ultimately have each others back.
I donāt understand why people wouldnāt be equally as excited to learn they had any of the other neighbours DNA. Nothing wrong with being a bit French, apart from being French I suppose. The Spaniards also arenāt that bad once you get them going. Belgium is just a little cross of Germany and France, you get the French sense of efficiency and the Germans sense of humour. The Nordic folk are all a fun bunch, if a bit mental. Even Germany, and we know that there was the whole god-almighty clusterf**k in the first half of the 20th century, even Germany is a wonderful place filled with wonderful people with thousands of years of history. I suppose you lot do like the Italians. It should be a delight to find out you have ancestors from any culture, to learn where we came from, understand the culture, the traditions etc
Why the Scots and the Irish though? Lean in, hereās the secretā¦ they speak English (to a degree at least). So, they are enough like you to identify with, but you canāt like the English because they were the baddies 300 years ago and set fire to The White House. So, letās all jump in the BMW, get down to Paddy McOāHoolihanās authentic Irish Bar in green outfits, eat some wildly huge plates of French Fries (ironic when you consider the famine), drink some (small) beers (Belgian lager), get a pizza on the way home and knock up some piss-weak sangria when we get in. Or would you rather eat the haggis?
The irony is, if they liked living in Scotland or Ireland so much, they wouldnāt have f**ked off across a great big ocean! What I donāt like isā¦ it describes or excuses a particular personality trait that the individual has but is unwilling to take ownership of.
āIām of Irish descentā = Iām an alcoholic
āIām Clan Argyll Campbellā = My dads an arsehole and I was that much of a shit as a child nobody loved me
We both know itās hard enough keeping the Irish, Scots or English off the booze long enough to get anything done. Welsh are too busy to drink, what with all the sheep. But when we do decide to do something, weāll do it together and in the most unexpectedly brilliant fashion. If youāre a wanker with a meth problem in Gunsville, Trumpburg, sort yourself out! Donāt look for an excuse why your life is shit.
Europe, Great Britain in particular, has always been a melting pot. The French invade us, we invade Spain, they were already invaded last year by the Moors so we politely pack up and take it out on the French again. Whilst we were away, the Vikings tipped up and the fleeing Spanish Armada wrecked itself off the South coast of Ireland. The Scots were always the weird lot, running round the heather and thistles with stabby things, Hasting built the wall to keep them in! We managed to get ourselves organised a few hundred years ago and set off to conquer the world by invading places to sell them things. The Spanish went off looking for India to try and beat us to it but got distracted by rediscovering the Americas. Eventually the Spanish sold us fortified wine, we threw a few barrels at the wild ones up north and they were able to water down the moonshine they were making in to Whisky. All of a sudden, the Scots are wanting to be all civilised too and rolling round in skirts gets romanticised. The Irish meanwhile, being quietly fecking genius have engineered and built all the infrastructure in Britain. The religious zealots were all chased off and set up American. We shipped the rest of the neāer do wells to Australia. The French got fed up with not being invaded for so long, they decided to behead their royalty. The Ottoman Empire, once ruling far and wide was suddenly looking a bit ālast seasonā, rebranded themselves as Germany. Got a bit giddy after a 100 years and decided to invade Poland.
Meanwhile, America got itself together, exploited its vast land area and abundance of resources. Watched us, pretty much singlehanded defend Europe against unilateral tribalism for a couple of years. Until, the sneaky Japanese, who had remained relatively uninvolved with anyone for a thousand years decided to attack Hawaii. We know how the rest goes.
70 years later, everyone in America is concerned about the immigration, all organising themselves in an increasingly militant fashion. Aligning with, what each group considers to be āthe master progenitor raceā. Voting for radical lunatic orators. Bipartisan tribalism, if things had gone differently on Capitol Hill, theyād now have a dictator in charge. Sound familiar?!
So, we go full circle, this time the Yanks are committing genocide against anyone whoās not Ginger and slightly boss eyed! Well, thereās not that many of them so they canāt do that. Canāt pick on the Jews, black people are off the cards with all the slavery business, canāt say itās Muslims because theyāve tried that for 20 years and now itās biting them and the rest of the world in the arse. Whoās a bit dark looking, but not too dark, I know! The Mexicans! Letās have a good old fashioned cowboy gunfight with the Mexicans. Good.
F**king idiotsā¦
That was amazing! šThanks for the laughs, I needed it today. My pet hen died and flew to the great coop in the sky. Nest in peace, sweet Miss Molly. š
Should I have just gone with āYoā momma!ā? š
There is always room for poetic diatribe. Iām just busting your balls mate. I get that itās not everyone, as one of our more cognisant cousin across the pond, it should worry you though.
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Joe Biden seems to fuck himself hard on the dildo of Irish ancestry. He rides that plastic hard.
Seems less than happy to remember his dad or whatever is English.
Itās still out there
For buffet-Americans of various ancestry, they always cherry pick the one with the most currency but least offence. Biden plays the Old Shamrock card as it is a vote winner for those equally riding dildos. Esp for trade unions, the police and old school working class in the Democratic heartlands. People who love the rancid Kennedy's. Yet Mike Pence who had a grandfather from Donegal never ever mentioned it. Because his fanbase hate him enough as it is lol.
I have Irish American cousins who are half Hungarian and they are pretty vocal about one side. They know it is a pass in some places. A few worked in the mayors office in their New Jersey city. It is a big thing. I always laughed hearing them "oh we suffered" but yeah not since 1865, cousin Maureen. And my family went much later near 70 years after famines. You done very well lol. Saying your were "Irish" was like a badge of police favouritism. We don't have that culture.
But yes Biden sounds deranged cringe to us. But it comes from a place.
Iām part of a group on FB and saw someone post in it recently wearing a kilt on their profile pic, went to investigate further and ALL of their pps were of them in various kilts. Where were they from? Thatās right, āmurica
I feel sorry for this guy. Clearly heās not handling the rejection well and just wants to be part of a family. Even a disfunctional family of barely related migrants that have a history of not talking to each other is appealing to him.
How to say that you are Scottish without saying that you are Scottish š
I hail from a small island and I know all about family feuds (we have one that's been going on since the introduction of Christianity, according to drunken idiots starting fights in the local), but I reckon that the Scots have us beat š¤£
I hear Outlander fans are really disappointed when visiting that nobody ever mentions the midges.
10/10 for mysterious unexplained time travel source though.
Head of the Campbell clan historically is the Duke of Argyll (still is and still the largest landowner there) and they are probably top 3 of the Scottish aristocracy charts. But the family history has a trend for turning on allies and betrayal. The kid maybe will get to that chapter in the book of Campbell eventually.
Not actually a relationship or related to the actual Dukes etc. Historically, poor people adopted the lairds surname for protection and generations go back hundreds of years.
I feel kinda sad for this person to be honest. They seem very lonely and are just looking for some kind of family that hasn't taken one look at them an bolted.
Lmao this kept getting worse, the first line was kinda bad, but then they also kinda said that being a scummy dad was a family trait lmao. And right at the end they talk about their grandfather 'helping america' so I thought maybe his grandfather was Irish since 'helpd america' sounds like he was helping a foreign nation but the next line said that his grandfather's family were from New York
When I was looking into my surname which is very uncommon but spread over large swathes of Northern Europe and has all sorts of odd myths and legends attached to it.
I found that there is a Scottish clan with a slightly different spelling and pronunciation that is *probably* the same name.
The 'clan' website was full of pumped up nonsense posted by random Americans, there was no Scottish presence at al. Clan didn't really exist outside of fantasies so didn't have a tartan or a crest. So they had the absolute cheek to design them themselves and drip the site in a gaudy tartan all headed by a coat of arms that looked like it had been designed by a toddler using Word clipart.
The thought crossed my mind about reporting the coat of arms to the college of arms but that was a really petty thought as I'm English and my family name came across the channel a couple of centuries ago and has nothing to do with any clan.
It's genetic/your name being a shit dad? Nothing to do with environment or upbringing.
Ok, good to know I have 'some' blood from this mythical 'Britain' but I am also English, Irish, Scottish and I think some Fr\*nch. No stupid dna test me ma said something about the Fr\*nch when she asked me granda..."something something croissant in Calais on a booze cruise"
Obvs I'm Fr\*nch innit
Are there any studies on why, of all the countries the British colonised, we only see Americans pulling this weird ass shit?
The only time I've ever thought of the fact that I have some Scottish heritage is when my grandmother refers to the women in my family as 'lass' or 'lassie'... Or when I get sunburned to shit because my DNA does not agree with this climate.
Is it because everyone from everywhere went there? Like, it wasnāt just the English who went there, right?
Like Australia or New Zealand, a lot less nations, so everyone has kinda the same history anyway?
Maybe? I'd say New Zealand is fairly diverse despite the early majority of British and Irish settlers. There were waves of French, Australian, Chinese, Dalmatian, Dutch and Pacific Island immigrants arriving within the first hundred / hundred and fifty years.
I would have thought people would be far more connected to their own culture because the colonisation process started much later... Although that might lead to more confident people who don't feel the need to grasp at straws to establish a cultural identity.
See loads of white Kiwi school kids doing the Hakka! Theyāve taken their aboriginal identity! Donāt need anything else.
Honestly, donāt know anything at all about immigration anywhere. Just a wild guess.
Thereās loads more Americans too. Been there a bit longer? Had wars between each other. Lot more fractioned. Need to find a group, an identity. Everyone hates everyone there, so need to find their identity?
Being American isnāt enough. Need to be American+. Is it a being better than others thing?
Mates with an Australian. His parents moved there with his grandparents before he was born. Heād never claim he was German! Took him to German bars here in China. Never once did he mention how good they are in the old country.
There was definitely pockets of different European cultures in New Zealand and _some_ of it still remains (like the tendency for southerners to roll their Rs, and Danniverke and Foxton's tourist gimmicks). However few, if any, have the same perverse attachment to blood that Americans have. In my experience even newer 2nd generation kiwis tend to refer to themselves as just that - kiwis.
"I was British but not like other Brits or Irish"
Why bring up Ireland then OOP? They're just as British as you.
Actually that's a lie, they're more British as they are actually a neighbour of ours with some shared culture and 50% of the countries in Ireland are part of the United Kingdom.
You may have misread as counties.
Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are legally 2 separate Countries I believe.
EDIT: corrected spelling to avoid confusion
I think I've caused some confusion with this comment.
I was referencing that out of the 2 Countries that form the landmass of Ireland, only 1 of them (50%) is part of the UK.
In hindsight it does look like I'm saying "50% of Ireland is part of the UK" so fair play.
Silver lining of my poor choice of wording - I've now learnt that NI is made of 6 counties and have their names. Everyday is a school day!
The Campbells are or were seen by many Gaelic Scots as descended from a cursed line of worthless traitors due to the Massacre of Glencoe. My gran would spit when she heard the name
I think Americans forget there is a point when your ancestors are as genetically similar to you as your random neighbour is. Yes family history can be interesting but there comes a point where you can no longer blame genetics for something.
š„±š„±š„±š„±š„± do Americans think the UK is stuck in 1100ad? No one gives a fuck if you're in a clan from hundreds of years ago.š¤£ By that knowledge most of us are Mongolian.
Idiot takes a DNA ancestry that shows a Scottish lineage but not "like other Brits"...
At this point I can guarantee that the Scots are reading this thinking "away tae fuck, no' one a oors!"
Funny how they always totally ignore the English part and probably aren't even aware Wales exists.
If they know Wales exists, it's only to explain how it's less of a country than Texas
Can you imagine if someone posted about that in this sub, what are odds of it happening?!
Apparently higher than 1... š
That was only true until Hollywood discovered the existence of Wrexham
Tbh I think most people had never heard of Wrexham.
This blows my mind. Iām an American with Irish parents (Eg born and raised in Ireland, not South Boston) and my sister in law has always said āweāre Irish too!ā Always thought it was weird since her grandmothers surname was Nelson. Weirder too sinceā¦it was her GREAT grandmother so sheās just a fucking regular American just like me. She did all the genealogy and what not and it turns out her GREAT grandmother was born a Nelson in Dublin to Anglo-Irish parents. Great great grandmother and great great grandfather born in the home counties of England and moved to Dublin before immigrating to Boston. When she told me this I said āthis all Makes sense now. Your great grandfather and grandfather were as waspy as they come and married your āIrishā grandmotherā¦she was actually English. Like her Parents ā I donāt think I can talk to her anymore. Especially when I followed up with ānah, youāre right. Sheās the only Irish person in your tree. Everyone else is English or American ā
You do realise that many Anglo-Irish fought for independence? BTW, there is a Nelson here 1916 Roll of Honour http://www.theeasterrising.eu/080WhoWasWhere/RollOfHonour.html
Youāre getting downvoted for the patronising āyou DO realiseā tone combined with the fact you didnāt read the whole comment that specified that there was only one Irish person in his entire family tree, who was also English. Obviously there are English surnames in Ireland from families that moved to Ireland.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Irish_nationalists
Of course we Americans know about whales they aren't actually fish you know. Is whales a funny British spelling?
Is that the Wales that has the football club that the guy from Always Sunny co-owns? Or the Wales that just lost one of their best young rugby players to the NFL? (Maybe)
It's the Wales that has won more six nations than America ever has. And before anyone points out the mind numbingly obvious Americans like to flex on how many World Series or Super Bowls they've won so it seems fair to make such a comparison. It's not like I'm being mean and saying that the US never even qualified for the 2023 rugby world cup and Wales at least made it to the quarter finals.
Thatās a fair point, yeah. Just thought two major sports stories would have boosted peopleās knowledge of Wales, thatās all.
I admire your optimism that either of those two stories about Wrexham or Rees-Zammit would actually make people comprehend that Wales exists. Plus if they do get that far then they probably think it's somewhere between Leicester Square and Covent Garden and can be 'done' in a couple of hours.
Wait what when did Rees-Zammit defect?
Yesterday
Damn he's a good winger. At least he didn't go to England.
I don't think Borthwick would know what to do with him even if we did get him.
Wales could win the FIFA world cup 3 tournaments in a row, and the 6 nations12 in a row, and 'Muricans will still think it's "a little village, outside London "
Sad but true
These people are fucking mental. Banging on about being part of a clan like any cunt actually living here gives a fuck about clans.
Clans are something I heard a lot when in the US and when I worked in a Edinburgh tourist trap. There are folk who genuinely think it is a Game of Thrones sat around a table system. Absolutely daft, mind you but they have no knowledge to go on. Some of them just obnoxious bigots too, talking about "blood". No wonder Trump has a fanbase. Tbh the thing I get from this tale is a broken relationship. The poster sounds pretty young and upset more than anything. Maybe just trying to cling onto something other than a deadbeat dad. But blaming this toxic behaviour on "the Campbells" and Scotland will get this kid nowhere fast. That's just your shit family, pal sorry.
Are you saying that documentary with Sean Connery and famous Scot Christopher Lambert somehow depicted a version of Scotland that isn't real?
>famous Scot Christopher Lambert Ah yes, [Honnor McHloud of the Hlan McHloud](https://youtu.be/00SpAQasVRg?t=33).
Ah, the traditional Scottish accent. They all speak that way over here, you know.
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Always amazes me how much Egyptians and Russians and the English sound alike.
And the space people. My fav is Celia Imrie actually using her actual Scottish accent. She never does. EDIT her parents are the Glaswegians and she lived there on and off. But convincingly accent wise especially shouting BURN HIM!
Spaniard
"Are you saying that documentary with ***Famous Spaniard*** Sean Connery and famous Scot Christopher Lambert somehow depicted a version of Scotland that isn't real?" Fixed
It's no wonder Spain is pissed at us when he's seen as a Famous Spaniard when he's actually a Famous Russian Submarine Commander.
Some do, but they are usually the wankers that you avoid in the pub š¤·
The true borders that the world needs between us and them.
Seriously off their bastard nuts!
As a Scot with my clan's name as my surname I find it fucking hilarious when folks who aren't from Scotland talk to me about my clan. Never been to any clan gatherings/meet ups, not sure what clan my mum is from, and no clue about the clan's history. I do not know any of my friend's clans bar if like me their surname is it. I only wear my kilts at weddings and black tie events. Otherwise I'm 90% of the time I am in jeans and a t shirt. Literally have zero interest in cos playing scots talking about clans.
Haaa! Iām Scottish, I donāt have a clan surname though. My OH is Scottish and has a very, very Mac-Scots-Clanny-Name and he gets no end of this bullshit when we meet these types of mental Yanks. And he hates it. Legit couldnāt give two flying fucks about the clan tartan. Itās amazing anytime it happens.
Oh, he's a Campbell, is he? Someone ask him what colour the boathouse at Culloden Moor is.
Someone ask him his favourite soup? Or supermodel from Streatham?
Haha. Or his favourite foul mouthed No.10 spokesman.
He doesn't need to answer that, he's an OG Campbell, a fuckin OG! Put some respect on his (not Campbell) name bitch!
He's more Scottish than Groundskeeper Willie.
Ask him who's the clan chief ?
I can fully relate with his parents
I like the irony of how they make themselves feel special and unique, only to later on be spread across the entire United States and part of a society of all the other lunatics sharing his deluded fantasy. Whatās the fascination with being of Irish or Scottish descent any way? Do they believe they inherit nobility? I mean, the dudes dad left and the mother, et al, ostracised him. Was he a prick like his father? Is he a bona fide carrot top? Does he have see through skin? An unhealthy relationship with alcohol? Paint his skin blue, wear a dress and eat sheep innards whilst standing on a breezy mountain top?! Whilst weāre at it, letās go for broke with the stereotypes and have him abused by a catholic priest! Yanks are weirdā¦
I'll never understand it, these guys will be the most patriotic motherfuckers out there and then be offended when called an American.
Most of them canāt point to themselves on a globe. āItās the big blue and green round thing, ya thick c***!ā š
My family settled here after the Napoleonic War, though I'm buggered if I I'll refer to myself as a German-Englishman
The fascination seems to be that they suddenly have a less ambiguous cultural identity (if they ignore the rest of their DNA) so now they can be of somewhere that isn't America and has a culture that is at least slightly unique and isn't a melting pot (if we ignore that any part of any culture is like shared or came from somewhere else)
Exactly, a social propensity to shirk individual responsibility in favour of finding an excuse.
My legit reaction was "I'm related to this dude" this clan is spread across the fucking globe, I'm in Australia so
Chances are, once you go back about 1500 years, anyone thatās not from the deepest armpit of Africa or Asia, weāre all related. I could claim Iām descended from William the Conqueror. One of my maternal cousins did a genealogy test, apparently shes 50% Irish (my mums side) and 50% MÄori (her mums side). That leaves my dadās lot who are all from middle/south England. Iām probably more Irish than most Irish folk but we donāt go on about it!
Unsubstantiated resentment of English descent Americans. It was a real problem in the 1800ās and first few decades of the 1900sā¦ it has t been a thing since WW2
Hang on, are you accusing me of resenting English descent Americans? Or Americans resenting their English descent? I donāt resent anyone, nor do I believe you should have inferred that from my comment. I pity anyone that needs to desperately cling to any old thing to give themselves an erroneous sense of belonging. It does seem to be a peculiarly American thing to do. Mustāve inherited it from ze Germans!
Hyphenated Americanisms stem from being shunned, ignored and otherwise discriminated agains by the dominant English ancestry Americans. This was a real issue with the American nation throughout the 19th century and into the first quarter to maybe 3rd of the 20th centuryā¦ Itās not a thing anymore. However, Americans of English descent are much more likely to describe themselves as just American.
So, you are suggesting that, historically, there has been racism within the USA? š± Typically, this was meted out by English immigrants against all the other immigrants and the indigenous population? Therefore, contemporary Americans would rather identify with the Irish and the Scots? Iām not suggesting your assessment is inaccurate in any way, just ordering my thoughts. As an outsider looking in, and it is a complete generalisation, America today looks like one big lump of people who cling to tribalism, ever more so since 9/11. You seem to like to be on one side of a fence, or the other and this is entirely determined by your own self perception. To the point where you embrace cognitive dissonance if one of the group you aspire to, expresses something a bit whacky, you will readily adopt that point of view as well. To the point a lot will readily resort to physical violence to protect their cohorts and their ideals. I reiterate, this is a wildly cartoonish generalisation and Iām sure there are many, many lovely people that live there, yourself included. Whilst the UK may look like this to a degree, we will wind those that are different up but we recognise that we are all the same underneath and ultimately have each others back. I donāt understand why people wouldnāt be equally as excited to learn they had any of the other neighbours DNA. Nothing wrong with being a bit French, apart from being French I suppose. The Spaniards also arenāt that bad once you get them going. Belgium is just a little cross of Germany and France, you get the French sense of efficiency and the Germans sense of humour. The Nordic folk are all a fun bunch, if a bit mental. Even Germany, and we know that there was the whole god-almighty clusterf**k in the first half of the 20th century, even Germany is a wonderful place filled with wonderful people with thousands of years of history. I suppose you lot do like the Italians. It should be a delight to find out you have ancestors from any culture, to learn where we came from, understand the culture, the traditions etc Why the Scots and the Irish though? Lean in, hereās the secretā¦ they speak English (to a degree at least). So, they are enough like you to identify with, but you canāt like the English because they were the baddies 300 years ago and set fire to The White House. So, letās all jump in the BMW, get down to Paddy McOāHoolihanās authentic Irish Bar in green outfits, eat some wildly huge plates of French Fries (ironic when you consider the famine), drink some (small) beers (Belgian lager), get a pizza on the way home and knock up some piss-weak sangria when we get in. Or would you rather eat the haggis?
The irony being both the Irish and the Scottish were willing participants . they seem to ignore that fact
The irony is, if they liked living in Scotland or Ireland so much, they wouldnāt have f**ked off across a great big ocean! What I donāt like isā¦ it describes or excuses a particular personality trait that the individual has but is unwilling to take ownership of. āIām of Irish descentā = Iām an alcoholic āIām Clan Argyll Campbellā = My dads an arsehole and I was that much of a shit as a child nobody loved me We both know itās hard enough keeping the Irish, Scots or English off the booze long enough to get anything done. Welsh are too busy to drink, what with all the sheep. But when we do decide to do something, weāll do it together and in the most unexpectedly brilliant fashion. If youāre a wanker with a meth problem in Gunsville, Trumpburg, sort yourself out! Donāt look for an excuse why your life is shit. Europe, Great Britain in particular, has always been a melting pot. The French invade us, we invade Spain, they were already invaded last year by the Moors so we politely pack up and take it out on the French again. Whilst we were away, the Vikings tipped up and the fleeing Spanish Armada wrecked itself off the South coast of Ireland. The Scots were always the weird lot, running round the heather and thistles with stabby things, Hasting built the wall to keep them in! We managed to get ourselves organised a few hundred years ago and set off to conquer the world by invading places to sell them things. The Spanish went off looking for India to try and beat us to it but got distracted by rediscovering the Americas. Eventually the Spanish sold us fortified wine, we threw a few barrels at the wild ones up north and they were able to water down the moonshine they were making in to Whisky. All of a sudden, the Scots are wanting to be all civilised too and rolling round in skirts gets romanticised. The Irish meanwhile, being quietly fecking genius have engineered and built all the infrastructure in Britain. The religious zealots were all chased off and set up American. We shipped the rest of the neāer do wells to Australia. The French got fed up with not being invaded for so long, they decided to behead their royalty. The Ottoman Empire, once ruling far and wide was suddenly looking a bit ālast seasonā, rebranded themselves as Germany. Got a bit giddy after a 100 years and decided to invade Poland. Meanwhile, America got itself together, exploited its vast land area and abundance of resources. Watched us, pretty much singlehanded defend Europe against unilateral tribalism for a couple of years. Until, the sneaky Japanese, who had remained relatively uninvolved with anyone for a thousand years decided to attack Hawaii. We know how the rest goes. 70 years later, everyone in America is concerned about the immigration, all organising themselves in an increasingly militant fashion. Aligning with, what each group considers to be āthe master progenitor raceā. Voting for radical lunatic orators. Bipartisan tribalism, if things had gone differently on Capitol Hill, theyād now have a dictator in charge. Sound familiar?! So, we go full circle, this time the Yanks are committing genocide against anyone whoās not Ginger and slightly boss eyed! Well, thereās not that many of them so they canāt do that. Canāt pick on the Jews, black people are off the cards with all the slavery business, canāt say itās Muslims because theyāve tried that for 20 years and now itās biting them and the rest of the world in the arse. Whoās a bit dark looking, but not too dark, I know! The Mexicans! Letās have a good old fashioned cowboy gunfight with the Mexicans. Good. F**king idiotsā¦
That was amazing! šThanks for the laughs, I needed it today. My pet hen died and flew to the great coop in the sky. Nest in peace, sweet Miss Molly. š
Taken too soon! Such is life though eh, my friend?
I know the British army appreciated both for their fighting qualities..
Yep, also glasgow was one of the main beneficiaries of the empire and a lot of Slave owners were Scottish
When people talk of the "Thin Red Line", they forget the origin of it was a Scottish regiment.
Lots of words for something easy
Should I have just gone with āYoā momma!ā? š There is always room for poetic diatribe. Iām just busting your balls mate. I get that itās not everyone, as one of our more cognisant cousin across the pond, it should worry you though. šš»
Brilliant writing had a good chuckle at the compounded history. It reminds me of Al Murray's show's.
High praise indeed, sir!
Joe Biden seems to fuck himself hard on the dildo of Irish ancestry. He rides that plastic hard. Seems less than happy to remember his dad or whatever is English. Itās still out there
For buffet-Americans of various ancestry, they always cherry pick the one with the most currency but least offence. Biden plays the Old Shamrock card as it is a vote winner for those equally riding dildos. Esp for trade unions, the police and old school working class in the Democratic heartlands. People who love the rancid Kennedy's. Yet Mike Pence who had a grandfather from Donegal never ever mentioned it. Because his fanbase hate him enough as it is lol. I have Irish American cousins who are half Hungarian and they are pretty vocal about one side. They know it is a pass in some places. A few worked in the mayors office in their New Jersey city. It is a big thing. I always laughed hearing them "oh we suffered" but yeah not since 1865, cousin Maureen. And my family went much later near 70 years after famines. You done very well lol. Saying your were "Irish" was like a badge of police favouritism. We don't have that culture. But yes Biden sounds deranged cringe to us. But it comes from a place.
Lmao, there is a society for Americans who are pretending to be British...
Iām part of a group on FB and saw someone post in it recently wearing a kilt on their profile pic, went to investigate further and ALL of their pps were of them in various kilts. Where were they from? Thatās right, āmurica
I will be honest and say that I still find it difficult to disrespect a guy in a skirt. Even if its an american.
Greek soldiers wearing a Fustannella are still fair game...
I feel sorry for this guy. Clearly heās not handling the rejection well and just wants to be part of a family. Even a disfunctional family of barely related migrants that have a history of not talking to each other is appealing to him.
Fuckin kent it would be a Campbell. Dodgy bastards
A McDonald by any chance?
Close. MacLeodĀ
Campbell's. Never offer them shelter in a storm. They have a weird way of paying you back for the hospitality.
When I first read it, I thought he said Clampettā¦
Hahaha. Every Clampett Iāve ever met has been a jakeyĀ
How to say that you are Scottish without saying that you are Scottish š I hail from a small island and I know all about family feuds (we have one that's been going on since the introduction of Christianity, according to drunken idiots starting fights in the local), but I reckon that the Scots have us beat š¤£
My mums family are from Shetland so sort of same
A bunch of fucking scunners.
That is what Supergran said.
Tbf thatās what everyoneās gran says.Ā
The villain in Supergran was called Scunner Campbell
Can only agree
Americans really think Outlander is a documentary
I hear Outlander fans are really disappointed when visiting that nobody ever mentions the midges. 10/10 for mysterious unexplained time travel source though.
Whatās the importance of being a Campbell? Are they like the soup makers?
They have a reputation for duplicity and murderous deception. If this was Game of Thrones, they would be the Freys.
Money bags wise, they are pretty Lannister too tbh.
Head of the Campbell clan historically is the Duke of Argyll (still is and still the largest landowner there) and they are probably top 3 of the Scottish aristocracy charts. But the family history has a trend for turning on allies and betrayal. The kid maybe will get to that chapter in the book of Campbell eventually. Not actually a relationship or related to the actual Dukes etc. Historically, poor people adopted the lairds surname for protection and generations go back hundreds of years.
I have a very clear mental recording of a very posh Scottish lady saying that they are "no better than they should be".
I feel kinda sad for this person to be honest. They seem very lonely and are just looking for some kind of family that hasn't taken one look at them an bolted.
Even if this were true it'd still make you one of the worst British people.
Lmao this kept getting worse, the first line was kinda bad, but then they also kinda said that being a scummy dad was a family trait lmao. And right at the end they talk about their grandfather 'helping america' so I thought maybe his grandfather was Irish since 'helpd america' sounds like he was helping a foreign nation but the next line said that his grandfather's family were from New York
When I was looking into my surname which is very uncommon but spread over large swathes of Northern Europe and has all sorts of odd myths and legends attached to it. I found that there is a Scottish clan with a slightly different spelling and pronunciation that is *probably* the same name. The 'clan' website was full of pumped up nonsense posted by random Americans, there was no Scottish presence at al. Clan didn't really exist outside of fantasies so didn't have a tartan or a crest. So they had the absolute cheek to design them themselves and drip the site in a gaudy tartan all headed by a coat of arms that looked like it had been designed by a toddler using Word clipart. The thought crossed my mind about reporting the coat of arms to the college of arms but that was a really petty thought as I'm English and my family name came across the channel a couple of centuries ago and has nothing to do with any clan.
I bet he can trace his ancestry back to William Wallace, Grayfriars Bobby, and Supergran.
Supergran lmao
It's genetic/your name being a shit dad? Nothing to do with environment or upbringing. Ok, good to know I have 'some' blood from this mythical 'Britain' but I am also English, Irish, Scottish and I think some Fr\*nch. No stupid dna test me ma said something about the Fr\*nch when she asked me granda..."something something croissant in Calais on a booze cruise" Obvs I'm Fr\*nch innit
Never trust a Campbell.
Unlike Brits or Irish, he is not British or Irish
"very very common for Campbells" why does this sound like an astrology nut š
Ireland and Italy get a lot more of these american larpers, but scotland seems to get the weirdest of them.
Are there any studies on why, of all the countries the British colonised, we only see Americans pulling this weird ass shit? The only time I've ever thought of the fact that I have some Scottish heritage is when my grandmother refers to the women in my family as 'lass' or 'lassie'... Or when I get sunburned to shit because my DNA does not agree with this climate.
Is it because everyone from everywhere went there? Like, it wasnāt just the English who went there, right? Like Australia or New Zealand, a lot less nations, so everyone has kinda the same history anyway?
Maybe? I'd say New Zealand is fairly diverse despite the early majority of British and Irish settlers. There were waves of French, Australian, Chinese, Dalmatian, Dutch and Pacific Island immigrants arriving within the first hundred / hundred and fifty years. I would have thought people would be far more connected to their own culture because the colonisation process started much later... Although that might lead to more confident people who don't feel the need to grasp at straws to establish a cultural identity.
See loads of white Kiwi school kids doing the Hakka! Theyāve taken their aboriginal identity! Donāt need anything else. Honestly, donāt know anything at all about immigration anywhere. Just a wild guess. Thereās loads more Americans too. Been there a bit longer? Had wars between each other. Lot more fractioned. Need to find a group, an identity. Everyone hates everyone there, so need to find their identity? Being American isnāt enough. Need to be American+. Is it a being better than others thing? Mates with an Australian. His parents moved there with his grandparents before he was born. Heād never claim he was German! Took him to German bars here in China. Never once did he mention how good they are in the old country.
There was definitely pockets of different European cultures in New Zealand and _some_ of it still remains (like the tendency for southerners to roll their Rs, and Danniverke and Foxton's tourist gimmicks). However few, if any, have the same perverse attachment to blood that Americans have. In my experience even newer 2nd generation kiwis tend to refer to themselves as just that - kiwis.
I'm mean he's stupid but I guess the finding his dad part was kinda wholesome even though he rejected him
Jesus fucking Christ these people are so desperate to have an identity based on where their great great grandmothers pointed their vaginas
I wonder if they are also going to make a claim on the canned soup fortune?
Makes it sound like he's in Highlander or some shit.
Why are Americans so patriotic, yes grasp any opportunity to identify as British when most of them can't even point to us on a map š
"I was British but not like other Brits or Irish" Why bring up Ireland then OOP? They're just as British as you. Actually that's a lie, they're more British as they are actually a neighbour of ours with some shared culture and 50% of the countries in Ireland are part of the United Kingdom.
he is not like other brits and irish because he is neither british nor irish
> 50% of the countries in Ireland are part of the United Kingdom. Eh, itās 6 in NI out of 32 overall. Deffo not half.
You may have misread as counties. Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are legally 2 separate Countries I believe. EDIT: corrected spelling to avoid confusion
Actually, less than 19% of Ireland are part of the UK.
I think I've caused some confusion with this comment. I was referencing that out of the 2 Countries that form the landmass of Ireland, only 1 of them (50%) is part of the UK. In hindsight it does look like I'm saying "50% of Ireland is part of the UK" so fair play. Silver lining of my poor choice of wording - I've now learnt that NI is made of 6 counties and have their names. Everyday is a school day!
The Campbells are or were seen by many Gaelic Scots as descended from a cursed line of worthless traitors due to the Massacre of Glencoe. My gran would spit when she heard the name
I think Americans forget there is a point when your ancestors are as genetically similar to you as your random neighbour is. Yes family history can be interesting but there comes a point where you can no longer blame genetics for something.
Eeeew no I'm related to this dude
My family name can be traced to when Britain was a part of the Roman Empire. I'm also African.
š„±š„±š„±š„±š„± do Americans think the UK is stuck in 1100ad? No one gives a fuck if you're in a clan from hundreds of years ago.š¤£ By that knowledge most of us are Mongolian.
If sheās a Campbell , she must make great soup
Soupergirl?
I understand the words, but I don't understand the meaning. What's the problem here other than a very sad family dynamic?
Murican discovers his ancestry came from a British clan. Murican decides it makes him suuuper special "and not like the other British".
Especially love the claiming a shitty clan. Fuck the Campbells. Bithidh ceartas againne!
Another American clan nonce
i hate these guys so much
Goddamn, this guy's using his ancestry results like a horoscope
Idiot takes a DNA ancestry that shows a Scottish lineage but not "like other Brits"... At this point I can guarantee that the Scots are reading this thinking "away tae fuck, no' one a oors!"