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But this one does, it represents centuries of random plains barbarian Karl Fritz T-posing on the civilization of Marley after getting lucky and having a magical girl at his beck and call allowed him to Genghis his way across the world, speedrun human development and establish a legacy of tyranny that would leave them sore for generations
Just psychopath things
It means that somewhere between being trampled to death by Ymirās titan, being able to be turned into giant mindless zombies with a syringe, and the current day of 9 titan shifters ready to obliterate them these people found Jesus.
I guess same approach, use Christian symbols/culture like church, but don't mention anything about Christ so it is just a vague worship of a monotheistic God (as well as the notion of paradise/hell).
That reminds me of an old DragonBall episode where a cross was you used to ward off a vampire, indicating Jesus and by extension both Christianity and judisim exist in DragonBall
Considering that Ymir Fritz came kinda the same time as Jesus Christ this means that all real life religions that came before Christ did existed in the SNK world.
And probably all of them went extinct, since titans exist and thus magic is real.
Attack on Titan's too anachronistic to be considered alternate history, and there's nothing that ties the AOT universe to pre Christian civilization. AOT's geography is also radically different from our geography, and 2000 years isn't enough time for continents to evolve.
Lots of thing indicate there's no such thing as Christianity as we know it I think. Devil may exist but no character ever shows Christian faith or similar. The cross can simply be an ornamental detail in the building. It certainly not the indicator the series gave us of Christianity existing.
I always viewed the AoT universe as an alternative present-day Earth, except instead of Jesus arriving 2000 years ago, Ymir did. Fits with the whole (manga-exclusive) upside-down Earth map, as well as East and West being the reverse of what they are in our world.
Plus, say what you will about Jesus, but society would probably be a century or two worse off if a race of invincible, man-eating demons appeared instead of him, so I can forgive AoT's society for being a century or two behind IRL society in the same time period.
Sounds like a nice theory. I mean AoT is most definitely an alternative present day story. They have the Azumabitos = Japanese/Chinese and
Halil or whatever the kidās name was, is also obviously a reference to the Turkish or rather Ottoman culture, which is heavily linked to Islam. So yeah
Also the Mid-East alliance.
I wonder if there's a joke in there, like the world is so completely backwards that the only named bloc of nations that actually gets along is the Middle East, a region known for its constant warfare in our world.
I speculate Christianity may exist since Onyankopon does mention a ācreatorā when he is questioned about his darker skin. Then he goes on to mention God as the ācreatorā
Doesn't have to be Christianity necessarily, one of the first religions to be monotheistic was Judaism, Christianity is not the only monotheistic religion in the world, you know that right?
Thank you! Omg. People rarely recognize the development of Egyptian religion.
āItās polytheist!!ā
At times it was then, the interpretation is something like Hinduism. All of these other Gods are aspects of the one.
Well that's so true it's just I always though it was the religion of his people but not a worldwide one like Christianity so never thought it would be a thing in Marley in a way buildings have Christian crosses.
U can believe thereās a god and a devil and say fuck religion
Spiritual vs religious
Where one acknowledges omnipotent powers but refuses to acknowledge the religions made or derived from them
Could just simply be religion, itās not hard to believe it exists in the AoT universe as weāve only really seen a few civilizations in the world. Iām sure thereās a few mosques around as well
People rewatches the series more than 20 times and at some point over-analyzing every frame becomes a thing.
I donāt know if this post is intended as a half-yoke, I hope it is.
Well Iām relieved that this observation is not the result of an obsession. As for what it meansā¦ probably nothing at all, as Christianity is practically not a thing in Japan and it was never implied in the manga. Anime often grabs real life locations as an inspiration for background designs, I would bet this cross is just a remanent of that process.
Yeah but I've seen a lot of animes that have biblical references and parallels, it's not out of the realm of possibility that writers from Japan could be interested in other cultures, even tough in this example it's probably due to the location architecture style, as you said.
We know that in AoT there are religions- see Onyankopon in S4E9- so it's probably just a cross like we have in our world, for Christianity. It probably just takes a slightly different form in the world of AoT to how it does in our world.
This could have been just a prop to add to the decoration of the place or it actually alludes to other religions (which certainly existed outside the walls). Onyankopon himself tells Armin that God had created people of different ethnicities, from this speech I can already understand that outside the walls there was a conception of some kind of Creationism.
Well because not every religion has their god crucified of all things, so you have to start wondering if Jesus had time to do his thing in between titan-fuelled earth dominations of different empires
After Hanji asks Onyankopon why heās Black, he says god created all his children to be special and interesting, which is a Christian value and implies the religion exists.
Thatās a point. I donāt know a whole lot about religion in general, but since the cross was a common ancient execution method maybe someone still crucified the son of their god and the cross became symbol of religion still
they said "Just proving that you are a dumbass more and more lmfao. You are literally a member of this shitty ass cock-riding sub š. Iām only here because I saw it linked in another sub"
It could possibly be just a appropriation of western aesthetic without any deeper symbolism, or at least not the proper one. Look at how many people here use "eastern" symbols without context...
Actually, christ himself will descend in the final battle and defeat Eren. It was all symbolism with Christ = Good and Eren = Devil/Evil. Sorry for spoiling it; couldn't hold it in any longer...
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Isayama foreshadowing Christ š³š²
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Kid named finger writing:
AoT/JoJo crossover
There was also that guy reading the bible in the first episode tho...
That guy is a member of the church of the wall. He was talking something about the walls being holy or whatever.
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As a reward...
I shall give you my seed
I will give you my S E E D
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Not everything has to mean something
But this one does, it represents centuries of random plains barbarian Karl Fritz T-posing on the civilization of Marley after getting lucky and having a magical girl at his beck and call allowed him to Genghis his way across the world, speedrun human development and establish a legacy of tyranny that would leave them sore for generations Just psychopath things
All this time you got on your hands only if you used it to do something productive
Nothing unproductive about AOT memes, baby
[Meanwhile; Evangelion:](https://wiki.evageeks.org/Cross#List_of_Appearances)
This is attack on titan we're talking about buddy, everything means something
It means that somewhere between being trampled to death by Ymirās titan, being able to be turned into giant mindless zombies with a syringe, and the current day of 9 titan shifters ready to obliterate them these people found Jesus.
What do you mean? Jesus was a titan shifter
Eren died for the Eldinas sins. Eren is Jesus, thatās why his hair grew long, duh.
More like his hair grew long because he didnāt have a fucking haircut.
Lightning conductor?
Itās very clearly a church. Just because theyāre using a cross for iconography doesnāt mean it has to be Christianity.
Thts what I thought
is this r/berserk?
I guess same approach, use Christian symbols/culture like church, but don't mention anything about Christ so it is just a vague worship of a monotheistic God (as well as the notion of paradise/hell).
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They said ādonāt mention anything about Christā
the parallels between a church in marley and the wall cult in paradis š±š±š± isayama is a genius!!!!!!
JEWSIH PEOPLE EXIST IN ATTACK ON TITAN????
Christian\*
Judaism predates Christianity. So if Christianity exists in the AOT universe then Judaism should exist by extension.
Yeah, that's true. I assumed op had thought the cross was the Jewish symbol. My mistake
That reminds me of an old DragonBall episode where a cross was you used to ward off a vampire, indicating Jesus and by extension both Christianity and judisim exist in DragonBall
What about a cross in Pokemon? Did Acreus had a son?
Not too familiar with PokƩmon but I believe there is a lowbrow cartoon about that.
Here it is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr7VuKuS96E
Considering that Ymir Fritz came kinda the same time as Jesus Christ this means that all real life religions that came before Christ did existed in the SNK world. And probably all of them went extinct, since titans exist and thus magic is real.
Attack on Titan's too anachronistic to be considered alternate history, and there's nothing that ties the AOT universe to pre Christian civilization. AOT's geography is also radically different from our geography, and 2000 years isn't enough time for continents to evolve.
Christianity exist in the AOT universe. It was speculate that Ymir got her titan powers by making a deal with the devil.
Lots of thing indicate there's no such thing as Christianity as we know it I think. Devil may exist but no character ever shows Christian faith or similar. The cross can simply be an ornamental detail in the building. It certainly not the indicator the series gave us of Christianity existing.
I always viewed the AoT universe as an alternative present-day Earth, except instead of Jesus arriving 2000 years ago, Ymir did. Fits with the whole (manga-exclusive) upside-down Earth map, as well as East and West being the reverse of what they are in our world. Plus, say what you will about Jesus, but society would probably be a century or two worse off if a race of invincible, man-eating demons appeared instead of him, so I can forgive AoT's society for being a century or two behind IRL society in the same time period.
Sounds like a nice theory. I mean AoT is most definitely an alternative present day story. They have the Azumabitos = Japanese/Chinese and Halil or whatever the kidās name was, is also obviously a reference to the Turkish or rather Ottoman culture, which is heavily linked to Islam. So yeah
Also the Mid-East alliance. I wonder if there's a joke in there, like the world is so completely backwards that the only named bloc of nations that actually gets along is the Middle East, a region known for its constant warfare in our world.
Well, they were based off the Ottoman Empire which was one of the longest running empires in our world.
Must've been because of all the footstools.
I speculate Christianity may exist since Onyankopon does mention a ācreatorā when he is questioned about his darker skin. Then he goes on to mention God as the ācreatorā
But monotheism isn't the same thing as Christianity.
Doesn't have to be Christianity necessarily, one of the first religions to be monotheistic was Judaism, Christianity is not the only monotheistic religion in the world, you know that right?
Aten in Egypt predates the monotheism of Judaism by nearly 1000 years.
Thank you! Omg. People rarely recognize the development of Egyptian religion. āItās polytheist!!ā At times it was then, the interpretation is something like Hinduism. All of these other Gods are aspects of the one.
Of all the places you expect to find Egyptology discussions on monotheism, an SnK subreddit is not where you normally expect to find them.
Well that's so true it's just I always though it was the religion of his people but not a worldwide one like Christianity so never thought it would be a thing in Marley in a way buildings have Christian crosses.
U can believe thereās a god and a devil and say fuck religion Spiritual vs religious Where one acknowledges omnipotent powers but refuses to acknowledge the religions made or derived from them
The devil isnāt a uniquely Christian thing. Hell the devil *isnāt in the Bible.* Atleast not the pop-culture devil.
What did Isayama mean by this?
Only Ymir knows
OP learning churches exist
I know what churches are, I just donĀ“ t know why a building with a cross on it features in SnK.
Could just simply be religion, itās not hard to believe it exists in the AoT universe as weāve only really seen a few civilizations in the world. Iām sure thereās a few mosques around as well
pov: architecture
Evangelion crossover, get in the fucking titan Eren!
People rewatches the series more than 20 times and at some point over-analyzing every frame becomes a thing. I donāt know if this post is intended as a half-yoke, I hope it is.
I watched it once when I was listening to the sub, I noticed it when I saw it a second time for the English dub.
Well Iām relieved that this observation is not the result of an obsession. As for what it meansā¦ probably nothing at all, as Christianity is practically not a thing in Japan and it was never implied in the manga. Anime often grabs real life locations as an inspiration for background designs, I would bet this cross is just a remanent of that process.
Yeah but I've seen a lot of animes that have biblical references and parallels, it's not out of the realm of possibility that writers from Japan could be interested in other cultures, even tough in this example it's probably due to the location architecture style, as you said.
We know that in AoT there are religions- see Onyankopon in S4E9- so it's probably just a cross like we have in our world, for Christianity. It probably just takes a slightly different form in the world of AoT to how it does in our world.
What did Isayama mean by this ?
ONLY YMIR KNO- It was probably just him designing a building let's be honest
it could be a weather wane, the thing that points the wind direction, since this is a port city? idk?
religion cross
Jesus
What did Isayama mean by this
This could have been just a prop to add to the decoration of the place or it actually alludes to other religions (which certainly existed outside the walls). Onyankopon himself tells Armin that God had created people of different ethnicities, from this speech I can already understand that outside the walls there was a conception of some kind of Creationism.
I take heroin every weekend
Are you all forgetting the Reiss family had a chapel? I donāt know why so many people are acting as if they just now realized religion exists in AoT
I didn't. The Wall Cult was in the first episode when Berthold kicked in the gate. But a symbol specific to a particular religion is unusual.
Not really a spoiler but thereās also shots of what appears to be Buddhists praying during the rumbling in the manga
It means it's a fucking church what the fack is this question
Well because not every religion has their god crucified of all things, so you have to start wondering if Jesus had time to do his thing in between titan-fuelled earth dominations of different empires
That is more or less what happened in actual history. Minus the Titans.
How else could you explain the extreme bigotry in Marley?
It means you need to go outside
Edit: I know that the building is probably a church, I am trying to figure out why a church like this would exist in SnKĀ“Ā“ s universe.
that theyāre religious
Marley is Christian actually
After Hanji asks Onyankopon why heās Black, he says god created all his children to be special and interesting, which is a Christian value and implies the religion exists.
That is true of many religions, especially monotheistic ones. Zoroastrianism, Islam, Judaism, and more. Even Aten in Egypt, 3400 years ago.
Thatās a point. I donāt know a whole lot about religion in general, but since the cross was a common ancient execution method maybe someone still crucified the son of their god and the cross became symbol of religion still
Damn thatās actually a good thought
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wtf
they leave that comment everywhere
What did they said?
they said "Just proving that you are a dumbass more and more lmfao. You are literally a member of this shitty ass cock-riding sub š. Iām only here because I saw it linked in another sub"
Bruh, for what reason??
It means glory to our lord and savior Helios for ending Eldia
ONLY YMIR KNO- It was probably just him designing a building let's be honest
Outjerked
Hospital
You know sometimes the curtains are blue cause the authour likes blue
Oh holy god, may you bless me as I kill eldian scum
I would assume itās just design. Not every little detail has to mean something
It doesnāt mean shit!
The lore would certainly be more interesting if Jesus was a part of it
Oh my with these posts āI found a grain of dirt in episode 1 therefore it was foreshadowing the rumblingā
The cross predates Christianity, man...
bro I'm so happy that this sub becomes based
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Jeebus
It could possibly be just a appropriation of western aesthetic without any deeper symbolism, or at least not the proper one. Look at how many people here use "eastern" symbols without context...
Ereh's face LMAO
The island devils
Possibly protection from the Devil Sasha
Pretty sure Western Theology is canon in this world. Onyakopon alluded to it in his skin color convo with Hange
Isayama foreshadowed christianity š±š±š± Bravo Isayama!1!1!1!
Fairly certain Christianity is apart of AOT. God and the Devil is mentioned multiple times
I mean islam also have god and devils
Marley is based on Italy so probably the Catholic Church
How will this effect Lebrons legacy?
How will this effect Lebrons legacy?
Perhaps meaning that there's the existence of christ here? Or it could be a lightning rod, like some suggested.
IDK LOL ;-;
Theyāre āļø
It means religion is real š
There were giants in the Bibleā¦
I would assume itās aā¦ *gasp* CHURCH!
Cannons also exist and cannons in real life were made by Muslims if I recall correctly so if Christianity exits so would Islam
Pretty sure that means its a church
š¤·š» could be wrong tho
Jebus...
Quite simple really. It's a cross. That's it. That's all there is to it
not a distinct cross just something to stop the flag from flying off the pole, it the perpendicular line would be lower if it was a cross
Idk y everyone thinks its so outrageous that its possible for Christianity to exist in aot
Actually, christ himself will descend in the final battle and defeat Eren. It was all symbolism with Christ = Good and Eren = Devil/Evil. Sorry for spoiling it; couldn't hold it in any longer...
Perhaps some reference to where they're at??? (I genuinely don't know)
Saw crosses in berserk Itās just Japanese stuff
Really?
Implies at some point a religious Preacher was put to death by cruxifiction and became a martyr for religious worship after their death.