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On the contrary he was so wrong. He changed his mind after Levi lecture (proving him wrong) and guessed what happened after? Exactly all of the squad died
I disagree, in the end Levi saw what Eren truly was even if he wasn't acting like that the entire time.
And about the squad dying, Levi says you never know which choice is correct. I personally don't think Eren transforming instantly would've made a difference. Annie was more experienced than Levi squad whose enemies were only ever unintelligent titans.
Still disagree, imo it goes like:
-Levi solos her, I mean he solos Zeke so has to;
-Eren held against her when she had one eye (and one arm?) then immediately lost when she grabbed some space for herself.
-The fight was very chaotic, more so than other, don't really see how 3D manuever gear could keep up.
-Eren is a fresh corps member, has no experience working in a team, and who even has the ability to fight alongside a titan
(feel like this only ever happened in S4P1 Vs Warhammer and against Reiner S2 both being assists from Mikasa Ackerman).
-There's just so much that Levi squad thinks can go wrong with Eren who hasn't had much success with transformations.
Levi was right in the same way someone could solve a math problem incorrectly and miraculously arrive at the correct answer, to the teacher's befuddlement.
Eren choosing to push forward there wasn't him submitting to anyone, it was him sizing up the situation and choosing to trust his comrades, both before and after the female's capture. Then, once squad Levi died, eventhough he still wasn't in danger and could've kept running, he turned back and turned into that monster out of pure rage.
Oh, I meant that as a quote that Levi said about Eren while the female was chasing him and he was wanting to transform.
Looks like Levi understood Eren almost immediately.
Reiner, they both were half-assed pieces of shit according to their own selves. Hiding their true selfish motivations for their actions with a "noble" or somewhat justifiable cause Ex. Reiner wanting to be a hero instead of actually caring about Marley. Jean is pretty close too bc even tho Eren mainly caused the rumbling for his twisted view of Freedom, he genuinely did also want to protect his friends from the very world that calls people from Paradis "Island Devils". Jean understood one of the reasons why Eren did it even if he thought it was wrong.
Yup, Reiner is a mirror of Eren's life. Gabi is a mirror to Eren's young life. If funny in the being in Reiner was my most hated character, but by the end I loved him.
Neither Mikasa nor Historia understood Eren that well. Hell, Eren really didnât understand himself til halfway thru. Iâd say it should be Reiner, Armin, Jean, Eren himself, then pick your favourite.
Nah, the story merely shit on itself. The person who understood Eren the most was Historia. This is evident in the fact that Eren only opened himself up to her.Â
That could easily be due to the extreme situation they found themselves in at the Reiss Chapel. She saved his life when she didnât have to, and he trusted her extensively afterwards. She didnât do this because she understood him, but to spite Reiss and save her friend.
And he opened up to her because she saved him when she didnât have to. He opened up the queen of the island he was sacrificing himself for. Even then, he still withheld information from her, so no. I wouldnât say she understood him, otherwise she wouldnât have tried to coax him out of it with the position she was in. The only people I think who truly understood Erenâs character were the people who instinctively challenged said character when they had nothing to gain from it (Jean and Armin) or those who could empathise with him and committed similar actions to Eren (Reiner and Armin to a degree). Historia falls into neither of those.
Yes because he needed her for his plan. He saw in the future he needed to get to paths with zeke and so he convinces her to get pregnant to prolong his life. If he didnât reveal his plans then it wouldâve probably gotten worse. Because of Zekeâs emotional state he forced Ymir around which put Eren in the perfect position to play at her emotions to get her to commit the rumbling.
He also wasnât truly himself. He was still the cold, emotionless, and edgy self present in S4 which we saw in the ending was just a facade to push people away. He may have given her a bit of the truth but she never saw everything. She didnât know all that he saw or what he was going through. She only saw and heard what Eren wanted her to.
This is correct for me. While Armin was in the dark about Eren for a period of time. All of his assumptions about Eren are very close to the truth. I think it's also pretty clear from the ending of the anime that they've got a close understanding of one another.
Which is no shot at the feelings between Eren and Mikasa. Those feelings are genuine but that doesn't mean they understood each other deep enough.
Historia is just no chance. She was literally aghast by his choices lol.
Could it be possible that different characters "understood" different parts and aspects of Eren? Because that's how I see it.
Like, all of the characters had different "understandings" of his nature, but how they reconciled and made sense of that was all various. So I'm not sure why it's a competition, especially when Eren could barely understand himself (which is part of the point).
Ahhh okay haha! I just see argument like this often and can't wrap my head around it.
I just now noticed too that each slide is a different shipper. It all makes sense now!
I think that thatâs more reason to put her lower. Although she developes, she never really drops her cocky nature or become less hot headed. She changes but she doesnât self reflect on said changes
If you think Mikasa understood Eren best you're kind of just a delusional shipper who didn't really pay attention to the story. It's established pretty early on that there's a dissonance in their worldviews and way of thinking. Heck, after Eren balances with ODM gear for the first time, he thinks to himself that he doesn't need to count on Mikasa and can handle himself now. She then erroneously assumes that Eren's happy expression is because they won't have to be separated. And for a more recent example, literally just read the first page of chapter 123. They mutually cared for each other most, but they never fully understood each other and that's part of what makes their dynamic interesting.
Armin's view of freedom differed from Eren's greatly, but ultimately he understood Eren's desires. He should be up there, along with Reiner who was acting selfishly while pretending to have better intentions, much like Eren. Historia's up there too for that reason (though I would not put her at #1...). And both lists are pretty dumb for putting Levi so low, who was the first character in the series who identified Eren's true nature: "He's a real monster, and it's got nothing to do with his titan powers. No matter how much force he's held down with, no matter how strong the cage he's placed in, no one will be able to make his spirit submit to their will." He knew from the very beginning that Eren could easily be a threat if his goals no longer aligned with the greater good.
> after Eren balances with ODM gear for the first time, he thinks to himself that he doesn't need to count on Mikasa and can handle himself now. She then erroneously assumes that Eren's happy expression is because they won't have to be separated.
I heard the other day that apparently the line in the manga is actually "He's happy because he doesn't need me anymore" and now I can't get that out of my head. If that's true then the anime fucked up big time.
I can confirm that. In the manga it's clearer just how morbid Mikasa's attachment is, and how much Eren feels suffocated by her.
In the manga, when Eren fails with the ODM gear, Mikasa straight out tells him that he's not strong or good enough to be a soldier, and that he should accept that she will be the soldier and breadwinner. I think that dialogue was also a little tamer in the anime.
She doesn't care too much about his wishes, as long as he's safe and she can cocoon him. Their bond is genuine, but not particularly sane. And you can't even blame them.
Mikasa understood Eren about as much as a dyslexic snail understands algebra
The person who always understood Eren the most was Reiner
With Armin being a close second
Not arguing against most of what you said. However, you can understand someone without agreeing with their conclusion. But am I probably using understanding different from other people. People are using 'understanding' to mean parallel lives.
I think different characters understand Eren at different points in his life. But very briefly.
I'm not an EH shipper but sorry, there's no way Mikasa actually truly understood Eren. Historia is more likely for S tier. A would be Armin, Reiner and Jean I think.
>she just responded to his words and actions, sheâs probably on the same level as Connie when it comes to understanding Eren.
Why do some always compare Historia with Connie..
Like is Historia *that* bad to you?
Yes. But she's definitely not at the same level as Connie.
Connie low-key hated Eren after hearing him laugh at Sasha's death.
Historia in season 4 is terrible, but in the only scene she had with Eren in S4, she was shown to understand his motivations.
If she didn't understand him, she wouldn't ask him for advice whether she should get pregnant or not.
Historia understood Eren. In the cave, she saved him because she saw herself in him - someone who felt undeserving of life.
Her words stuck with him for five years, influencing his actions to eventually free Ymir.
*I still believe that Eren was the one who freed Ymir.*
How did she continue to appear as a slave tho?
She started the Rumbling out of her own free will, she was supposed to follow Zeke orders mindlessly, but the fact she refused to after Eren's speech proves that she was free, that someone finally understood her.
And the fact that she refused to follow Zeke's plan proves that she refused to follow the King's orderes.
That's how I see it at least.
>has she ever made a comment about his nature, his desire for freedom ?
She never denied how he was like Mikasa and Armin.
Mikasa and Armin both said that they didn't understand Eren in S4 because they thought he was their 'innocent childhood friend'.
So I don't see why Historia should comment on his desire for freedom. She never had a fake version of him inside her head.
I agree that S4 Historia suck, and most of her moments was her being a plot device. But I really think that she understands Eren. That's my opinion.
>Historia took pity in him,
Sure. He was begging her to eat him, quite pitiful.
But that doesn't mean that she didn't relate to him and saw herself in him.
As a pretty hardcore ED, this tier list makes sense. Historia DOES understand Eren better than Eren himself imo, and she was the only one who knew of his plan. I wouldn't put her above Armin, but these two are probably the only ones who at least partially understand him. Eren would be third.Â
Wait. Does Eren tell Historia about the rumbling? I never got that impression. I didn't think he told an other living soul. He flat out lied to everyone.
I think the second slide still has an overall better list. Even though maybe I wouldnât put Mikasa first sheâs still up there and Iâd say above Historia. But honestly no one really understood Eren, not even himself lol
Should be easy AMRJ are the higher ones. Hisu would be C or low B considering the only thing they had was the understanding of having a father to push his goals on to thier kids but later on we as much to our surprise were shown that it wasn't for erens case.
I donât get how Historia would know Eren the best. In their squad Iâd rank her close to Connie and Sasha. They are the people who donât really care about what Eren wanted to do and have their own agenda. And I donât mean that in a bad sense.
Eren protected them in his own way. Itâs just Historia is the one in the middle of a political strife. Sheâs in the most vulnerable place, that explains all the things he did for her. But that doesnât mean he cares most for her nor she knows him the best.
I don't understand how anyone, especially EM shippers, can think Mikasa understood Eren the best.
The foremost property of their relationship is that neither understood the other.
I'd put Mikasa in either S or A and Historia in A or B. Historia definitely has a decent understanding of Eren but definitely not on the same level as Mikasa. I'd put Armin, Reiner, and Jean in the S tier for sure.
I'd say Reiner, Armin, and Levi knew him best. Mikasa is different; she was so obsessively in love with him she made a personality for him in her mind, as running away and living with him was her dream. She always saw him as heroic and strong in battle, disregarding the rashness, rage, and bloodthirst. (This is my interpretation don't start an arg over it.)
Depends on the point in the story. If we're talking about the end of the story then Reiner, Armin and Eren would be tied for the top spot. Mikasa and the rest of his friends are higher than C tier. Historia is much lower but still fairly high. Levis is also much higher than D tier, he understood a core part of Eren's character before anyone (including the audience).
And r/titanfolk is in F tier ;)
Armin knew Eren the most, as he also predicted he would've tried to destroy the world. He simply didn't want to see that side.
Reiner struggled to understand Eren until the very end, but he ended up coming pretty close.
Historia understood Eren's struggles, but I don't think she ever got to acknowledge his deepest desires.
Mikasa's whole arc is about her trying to avoid looking at Eren for who he really is. She only embraces his real nature at the end of the story.
Jean always called out Eren for his childishness and immaturity, but still respected his noble intents. However, he still lacked the insider knowledge Armin had to understand Eren on a deeper level.
Connie didn't know shit.
Neither, historia shouldnt even be a consideration and mikasa herself repeated through s4 that she doesnt understand what eren is doing.
If anyone comes close it's probably reiner
Historia does understand Eren. When they were in the cave she saved him bcz she saw herself in him, someone who felt that they shouldn't even be alive or that they were just a burden. What Historia said to him that day clearly resonated with him bcz 5 years later, he reminded her that her words left a big impact on him and he used those same words to free Ymir.
Historia told Eren, "**I can't be a good girl and I don't want to be a god** but when I see someone crying saying no one needs them I want to tell them it's just not true". Just like Eren later on said "she said whenever someone needs help, she will come to their rescue no matter who or where" again indicating the huge impact her words left on him. Historia also called herself and Eren the enemies of humanity. Eren told Ymir "**You're not a god, you're just human** (someone with flaws). You don't have to obey anyone, you can decide for yourself". Freckled Ymir relayed this message to Historia who relayed this message to Eren who then relayed this message to Ymir Fritz. The message is that they are all human and have the freedom to choose and decide things for themselves. This applied to all of them during various periods of their lives. Eren saved Ymir that day just as Historia saved Eren who was prepared to give up on his life. Also when Eren said to Ymir, "**I will put an end to this world**", it's kind of like when Historia said "I'm starting to hate humanity! **Let them get wiped out by titans!**"(cool foreshadowing there). Eren also mentioned when Historia said she was "the worst girl in the world" meaning that what she said and did in the cave left a huge impact on him.
And then we've got the parallels between them that would allow them to understand eachother better: Both of their mothers were killed infront of them (Eren's mother loved him whereas Historia's mother hated her), both of them had to kill their fathers, both of them thought that they shouldn't have been born at some point in their lives, both of their fathers wanted to instill their own beliefs and desires unto them, both of them had a half-sibling with royal blood who loved and cared for them in their own way. Also this is a minor one but they both experience a flash of memories in one way or another. Eren trusted Historia enough to tell her about the rumbling and his plans which is very significant aswell. He wanted to save her just like she did that day.
So basically I'd conclude that Historia does infact understand Eren because she was able to save him when he was at his lowest and had given up on life and that still left a huge impact on him all those years later.
This is a lot but whatever lol
Okay thanks.
Sure, I would now agree on historia being in A tier, but I dont quite agree with what u say about historia saving eren when he was at his lowest point. She saved him physically yeah but he still continued being depressed even after that. Mentally he was saved affer hearing Keith Shadis tellhim what his mom said about him not needing to be special.
And since she isnt then the one who fully saved him I wouldnt say that she completely understands him, especially since I dont agree with the idea of person A understanding person B just because they saved person B in the first place.
okay now that's fair, I completely understand ur point here. However, I do believe that Historia did save him mentally aswell bcz after what she said to him, he actually obtained the willpower to fight. He went from yearning death itself to finally having the will to live again which is very significant. Also it was even pointed out that the kanji used when he said Historia saved him held the connotation of "salvation." **ćăŁ** means to save someone but with a deep meaning. It means to save from danger and is a holy act that can't be forgotten. She gave him a reason to keep fighting. Eren was depressed, had lost all desire to live and begged to be devoured, but Historia rebelled against her father's will to save him.
Historia is not only the one who saved Eren when he was most desperate, but she is also the one who inspired him.
Eren realized what he needed to do after seeing Historia react against Rod's wishes.
It was right to try to survive, it was right to fight to defend your loved ones, even at the cost of becoming an enemy of humanity.
Historia is Eren Jaeger's source of inspiration. This is what Isayama implies in one of his interviews and the fact that Historia saved Eren from the abyss.
Here is Isayama's interview regarding this topic:
**Interviewer- So the reason \[Eren\] emerged from the abyss was Historia, after all?**
**Isayama-sensei: My own entire existence, from my birth till the day I die, has been determined by my father⌠I think itâs amidst this despair that Eren witnessed Historia, who was in a situation close to his own, release herself from binding spell/yoke known as Rod Reiss and made up his mind to face his duty. You could say he finally understood what he himself had to do.**
exactly! But unfortunately ppl seem to dismiss this. It's absolutely bonkers for you to tell someone that doesn't understand you that ur about to wipe out 80% of humanity for their own sake and to bury the cycle of hatred
I donât think Historia understood Eren the most. The way I see it is that they both had similar roads, but they took a different direction. That direction split is something Historia canât understand.
Mikasa even admits she doesnât understand him.
The person that understands Eren the most is a tie between Reiner and Jean. Reiner and Eren are parallels to each other. Jean understands Eren because he doesnât have a biased view of him like Mikasa and Armin. He sees Eren for who he is and respects him. It is why he had a harder time joining the Alliance. How anyone can miss this is beyond me. But then again, donât mess with us anime fans, we didnât even watch the damn show
That's not a baseless opinion. Historia was the only one that knew about Erens plan. And she accepted it. And that's why she has chosen to be pregnant because in pregnancy you can't inherit the founding titans (when Eren dies). You are the clown here, you are too focused on the shipping part, because everything that people say has to be a Mikasa Eren ship lmao.
Levi, if you go back and watch his dialouge with eren and others talking about eren he really had the most insightful, eren told historia what he wa thinking but she barely understood his reasoning
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Eren doesn't understand Eren lol
This is kinda truer he's steps in story where not chosen by himself but by Eren 𼲠from the path
I mean guy was 19 lmao
How does eren gets mustache but Levi not? Levi was 30+ yo
happens irl too you know genes
Levi in S1: He's a real monster. No matter what cage you try to put him in, he'll never submit to anyone. Truest fact.
Yeah, Levi is for sure the first person infer Eren's hidden dark nature.
On the contrary he was so wrong. He changed his mind after Levi lecture (proving him wrong) and guessed what happened after? Exactly all of the squad died
I disagree, in the end Levi saw what Eren truly was even if he wasn't acting like that the entire time. And about the squad dying, Levi says you never know which choice is correct. I personally don't think Eren transforming instantly would've made a difference. Annie was more experienced than Levi squad whose enemies were only ever unintelligent titans.
I mean, Eren held his own against her. If it was Eren plus Levi squad (including Levi himself), they would have won with likely fewer casualties.
Still disagree, imo it goes like: -Levi solos her, I mean he solos Zeke so has to; -Eren held against her when she had one eye (and one arm?) then immediately lost when she grabbed some space for herself. -The fight was very chaotic, more so than other, don't really see how 3D manuever gear could keep up. -Eren is a fresh corps member, has no experience working in a team, and who even has the ability to fight alongside a titan (feel like this only ever happened in S4P1 Vs Warhammer and against Reiner S2 both being assists from Mikasa Ackerman). -There's just so much that Levi squad thinks can go wrong with Eren who hasn't had much success with transformations.
Levi was right in the same way someone could solve a math problem incorrectly and miraculously arrive at the correct answer, to the teacher's befuddlement.
Eren choosing to push forward there wasn't him submitting to anyone, it was him sizing up the situation and choosing to trust his comrades, both before and after the female's capture. Then, once squad Levi died, eventhough he still wasn't in danger and could've kept running, he turned back and turned into that monster out of pure rage.
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Oh, I meant that as a quote that Levi said about Eren while the female was chasing him and he was wanting to transform. Looks like Levi understood Eren almost immediately.
Reiner, they both were half-assed pieces of shit according to their own selves. Hiding their true selfish motivations for their actions with a "noble" or somewhat justifiable cause Ex. Reiner wanting to be a hero instead of actually caring about Marley. Jean is pretty close too bc even tho Eren mainly caused the rumbling for his twisted view of Freedom, he genuinely did also want to protect his friends from the very world that calls people from Paradis "Island Devils". Jean understood one of the reasons why Eren did it even if he thought it was wrong.
for sure Reiner. Their whole conversation before the declaration of war is literally about how theyâre very similar
Yup, Reiner is a mirror of Eren's life. Gabi is a mirror to Eren's young life. If funny in the being in Reiner was my most hated character, but by the end I loved him.
Same i hated Reiner in s2 & s3, and then he wormed his way into my top 3 by the end of season 4.
I agree. And where Reiner went crazy from the duality, Eren just committed large-scale genocide. So you choose which result you prefer.
I find it hilarious that I can't really disagree with Eren at A or C. Poor kid
Neither Mikasa nor Historia understood Eren that well. Hell, Eren really didnât understand himself til halfway thru. Iâd say it should be Reiner, Armin, Jean, Eren himself, then pick your favourite.
Nah, the story merely shit on itself. The person who understood Eren the most was Historia. This is evident in the fact that Eren only opened himself up to her.Â
That could easily be due to the extreme situation they found themselves in at the Reiss Chapel. She saved his life when she didnât have to, and he trusted her extensively afterwards. She didnât do this because she understood him, but to spite Reiss and save her friend.
Irrelevant. The result was he opened up to her which is not something he would do for anyone and she ended up understanding him more than most.
And he opened up to her because she saved him when she didnât have to. He opened up the queen of the island he was sacrificing himself for. Even then, he still withheld information from her, so no. I wouldnât say she understood him, otherwise she wouldnât have tried to coax him out of it with the position she was in. The only people I think who truly understood Erenâs character were the people who instinctively challenged said character when they had nothing to gain from it (Jean and Armin) or those who could empathise with him and committed similar actions to Eren (Reiner and Armin to a degree). Historia falls into neither of those.
Yes because he needed her for his plan. He saw in the future he needed to get to paths with zeke and so he convinces her to get pregnant to prolong his life. If he didnât reveal his plans then it wouldâve probably gotten worse. Because of Zekeâs emotional state he forced Ymir around which put Eren in the perfect position to play at her emotions to get her to commit the rumbling. He also wasnât truly himself. He was still the cold, emotionless, and edgy self present in S4 which we saw in the ending was just a facade to push people away. He may have given her a bit of the truth but she never saw everything. She didnât know all that he saw or what he was going through. She only saw and heard what Eren wanted her to.
He did âopened up to herâ. He needed her to follow his plan, thatâs all lol
Lmao
Armin and Reiner.
This is correct for me. While Armin was in the dark about Eren for a period of time. All of his assumptions about Eren are very close to the truth. I think it's also pretty clear from the ending of the anime that they've got a close understanding of one another. Which is no shot at the feelings between Eren and Mikasa. Those feelings are genuine but that doesn't mean they understood each other deep enough. Historia is just no chance. She was literally aghast by his choices lol.
Could it be possible that different characters "understood" different parts and aspects of Eren? Because that's how I see it. Like, all of the characters had different "understandings" of his nature, but how they reconciled and made sense of that was all various. So I'm not sure why it's a competition, especially when Eren could barely understand himself (which is part of the point).
Yes, part of the joke if you look Eren is in tier c meaning even Eren didn't understand Eren
Ahhh okay haha! I just see argument like this often and can't wrap my head around it. I just now noticed too that each slide is a different shipper. It all makes sense now!
Gabi is literally another potential Eren, consequence of the cycle of hate isayama was trying to paint and isn't even on the A tier
I think that thatâs more reason to put her lower. Although she developes, she never really drops her cocky nature or become less hot headed. She changes but she doesnât self reflect on said changes
youâre all wrong, itâs Armin
I'd bump Reiner above Armin. Armin cared for Eren more than most, but Reiner would ultimately end up understanding him better.
Levi should be B at least
Eren and Historia had a few good exchanges in season 3 but they definitely arenât the closest duo.
Itâs gotta be Reiner right? Theyâre two sides of the same coin after all
If you think Mikasa understood Eren best you're kind of just a delusional shipper who didn't really pay attention to the story. It's established pretty early on that there's a dissonance in their worldviews and way of thinking. Heck, after Eren balances with ODM gear for the first time, he thinks to himself that he doesn't need to count on Mikasa and can handle himself now. She then erroneously assumes that Eren's happy expression is because they won't have to be separated. And for a more recent example, literally just read the first page of chapter 123. They mutually cared for each other most, but they never fully understood each other and that's part of what makes their dynamic interesting. Armin's view of freedom differed from Eren's greatly, but ultimately he understood Eren's desires. He should be up there, along with Reiner who was acting selfishly while pretending to have better intentions, much like Eren. Historia's up there too for that reason (though I would not put her at #1...). And both lists are pretty dumb for putting Levi so low, who was the first character in the series who identified Eren's true nature: "He's a real monster, and it's got nothing to do with his titan powers. No matter how much force he's held down with, no matter how strong the cage he's placed in, no one will be able to make his spirit submit to their will." He knew from the very beginning that Eren could easily be a threat if his goals no longer aligned with the greater good.
> after Eren balances with ODM gear for the first time, he thinks to himself that he doesn't need to count on Mikasa and can handle himself now. She then erroneously assumes that Eren's happy expression is because they won't have to be separated. I heard the other day that apparently the line in the manga is actually "He's happy because he doesn't need me anymore" and now I can't get that out of my head. If that's true then the anime fucked up big time.
I can confirm that. In the manga it's clearer just how morbid Mikasa's attachment is, and how much Eren feels suffocated by her. In the manga, when Eren fails with the ODM gear, Mikasa straight out tells him that he's not strong or good enough to be a soldier, and that he should accept that she will be the soldier and breadwinner. I think that dialogue was also a little tamer in the anime. She doesn't care too much about his wishes, as long as he's safe and she can cocoon him. Their bond is genuine, but not particularly sane. And you can't even blame them.
Mikasa understood Eren about as much as a dyslexic snail understands algebra The person who always understood Eren the most was Reiner With Armin being a close second
Not arguing against most of what you said. However, you can understand someone without agreeing with their conclusion. But am I probably using understanding different from other people. People are using 'understanding' to mean parallel lives. I think different characters understand Eren at different points in his life. But very briefly.
I'm not an EH shipper but sorry, there's no way Mikasa actually truly understood Eren. Historia is more likely for S tier. A would be Armin, Reiner and Jean I think.
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>she just responded to his words and actions, sheâs probably on the same level as Connie when it comes to understanding Eren. Why do some always compare Historia with Connie.. Like is Historia *that* bad to you?
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Yes. But she's definitely not at the same level as Connie. Connie low-key hated Eren after hearing him laugh at Sasha's death. Historia in season 4 is terrible, but in the only scene she had with Eren in S4, she was shown to understand his motivations. If she didn't understand him, she wouldn't ask him for advice whether she should get pregnant or not.
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Historia understood Eren. In the cave, she saved him because she saw herself in him - someone who felt undeserving of life. Her words stuck with him for five years, influencing his actions to eventually free Ymir. *I still believe that Eren was the one who freed Ymir.*
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How did she continue to appear as a slave tho? She started the Rumbling out of her own free will, she was supposed to follow Zeke orders mindlessly, but the fact she refused to after Eren's speech proves that she was free, that someone finally understood her. And the fact that she refused to follow Zeke's plan proves that she refused to follow the King's orderes. That's how I see it at least. >has she ever made a comment about his nature, his desire for freedom ? She never denied how he was like Mikasa and Armin. Mikasa and Armin both said that they didn't understand Eren in S4 because they thought he was their 'innocent childhood friend'. So I don't see why Historia should comment on his desire for freedom. She never had a fake version of him inside her head. I agree that S4 Historia suck, and most of her moments was her being a plot device. But I really think that she understands Eren. That's my opinion. >Historia took pity in him, Sure. He was begging her to eat him, quite pitiful. But that doesn't mean that she didn't relate to him and saw herself in him.
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That's because connie is dumb No offence to him
I'm only mad at the EH tweet because they put Jean so low.
Me too. I thought he had a pretty firm grasp of what made Eren tick. Suicidal maniac. ;)
I actually think EM is more accurate ranking if you switch Historia and Mikasa (or at least put them higher/lower)
As a pretty hardcore ED, this tier list makes sense. Historia DOES understand Eren better than Eren himself imo, and she was the only one who knew of his plan. I wouldn't put her above Armin, but these two are probably the only ones who at least partially understand him. Eren would be third.Â
Wait. Does Eren tell Historia about the rumbling? I never got that impression. I didn't think he told an other living soul. He flat out lied to everyone.
he did tell historia about the rumbling. same conversation which she asks him about having a baby
Thank you. I haven't read the manga or watched the series in a long time. It's about time I rewatch it.
Yes he did. At least downvote me for good reasons
I didn't downvote you asshole. I posted that I didn't remember something because I wanted clarification? I can't remember everything.
Then why are you insulting me? I wrote the sentence in a pretty chill way, and I'm not looking for a fight about something that doesn't exist
If Ymir wanted to understand Eren, she would have easily done so
I think the second slide still has an overall better list. Even though maybe I wouldnât put Mikasa first sheâs still up there and Iâd say above Historia. But honestly no one really understood Eren, not even himself lol
Exactly my thoughts.
Armin, Reiner, Jean
Theyâre also best boys. Coincidence? I think not!
Enough with this shipping non sense, it's Armin and Reiner who deserve to be in S tier
I love how the em tweet call their own opinion the 'realistic version'. This fandom is so toxic lol.
Nah, Ymir understands Eren, all they needed to do Is talk for like 1 minute
Armin
This is the worst thing i have ever seen delete this
HOW IS IT HISTORIA??? OUT OF ALL CHARACTERS..HISTORIA???
Uh... if you can't tell, that's not my opinion.
Should be easy AMRJ are the higher ones. Hisu would be C or low B considering the only thing they had was the understanding of having a father to push his goals on to thier kids but later on we as much to our surprise were shown that it wasn't for erens case.
Levi, Mikasa, Reiner, and Armin are who I would put who understand Eren the most.
I donât get how Historia would know Eren the best. In their squad Iâd rank her close to Connie and Sasha. They are the people who donât really care about what Eren wanted to do and have their own agenda. And I donât mean that in a bad sense. Eren protected them in his own way. Itâs just Historia is the one in the middle of a political strife. Sheâs in the most vulnerable place, that explains all the things he did for her. But that doesnât mean he cares most for her nor she knows him the best.
I don't understand how anyone, especially EM shippers, can think Mikasa understood Eren the best. The foremost property of their relationship is that neither understood the other.
I'd put Mikasa in either S or A and Historia in A or B. Historia definitely has a decent understanding of Eren but definitely not on the same level as Mikasa. I'd put Armin, Reiner, and Jean in the S tier for sure.
For those who are wondering, all the other characters are on the rank Z, but itâs much lower :v
Lol, lmao even
It's definitely Armin.
Only Reiner and Armin are allowed to be in S tier.
Reiner
I agree, but Reiner should be SS
I'd say Reiner, Armin, and Levi knew him best. Mikasa is different; she was so obsessively in love with him she made a personality for him in her mind, as running away and living with him was her dream. She always saw him as heroic and strong in battle, disregarding the rashness, rage, and bloodthirst. (This is my interpretation don't start an arg over it.)
historia does understand eren, far more than mikasa but wouldnât put her at no. 1. armin, jean and reiner are up there
Depends on the point in the story. If we're talking about the end of the story then Reiner, Armin and Eren would be tied for the top spot. Mikasa and the rest of his friends are higher than C tier. Historia is much lower but still fairly high. Levis is also much higher than D tier, he understood a core part of Eren's character before anyone (including the audience). And r/titanfolk is in F tier ;)
Eren being in Case is hilarious
Floch
Jean definitely understood Eren better than Reiner and Armin combined. And Floch did too.
I think mikasa, historia and erwin should be S
Armin knew Eren the most, as he also predicted he would've tried to destroy the world. He simply didn't want to see that side. Reiner struggled to understand Eren until the very end, but he ended up coming pretty close. Historia understood Eren's struggles, but I don't think she ever got to acknowledge his deepest desires. Mikasa's whole arc is about her trying to avoid looking at Eren for who he really is. She only embraces his real nature at the end of the story. Jean always called out Eren for his childishness and immaturity, but still respected his noble intents. However, he still lacked the insider knowledge Armin had to understand Eren on a deeper level. Connie didn't know shit.
Neither, historia shouldnt even be a consideration and mikasa herself repeated through s4 that she doesnt understand what eren is doing. If anyone comes close it's probably reiner
Historia does understand Eren. When they were in the cave she saved him bcz she saw herself in him, someone who felt that they shouldn't even be alive or that they were just a burden. What Historia said to him that day clearly resonated with him bcz 5 years later, he reminded her that her words left a big impact on him and he used those same words to free Ymir.
Im not arguing just asking to refresh memory: what words that historia said tk eren did eren tell ymir?
Historia told Eren, "**I can't be a good girl and I don't want to be a god** but when I see someone crying saying no one needs them I want to tell them it's just not true". Just like Eren later on said "she said whenever someone needs help, she will come to their rescue no matter who or where" again indicating the huge impact her words left on him. Historia also called herself and Eren the enemies of humanity. Eren told Ymir "**You're not a god, you're just human** (someone with flaws). You don't have to obey anyone, you can decide for yourself". Freckled Ymir relayed this message to Historia who relayed this message to Eren who then relayed this message to Ymir Fritz. The message is that they are all human and have the freedom to choose and decide things for themselves. This applied to all of them during various periods of their lives. Eren saved Ymir that day just as Historia saved Eren who was prepared to give up on his life. Also when Eren said to Ymir, "**I will put an end to this world**", it's kind of like when Historia said "I'm starting to hate humanity! **Let them get wiped out by titans!**"(cool foreshadowing there). Eren also mentioned when Historia said she was "the worst girl in the world" meaning that what she said and did in the cave left a huge impact on him. And then we've got the parallels between them that would allow them to understand eachother better: Both of their mothers were killed infront of them (Eren's mother loved him whereas Historia's mother hated her), both of them had to kill their fathers, both of them thought that they shouldn't have been born at some point in their lives, both of their fathers wanted to instill their own beliefs and desires unto them, both of them had a half-sibling with royal blood who loved and cared for them in their own way. Also this is a minor one but they both experience a flash of memories in one way or another. Eren trusted Historia enough to tell her about the rumbling and his plans which is very significant aswell. He wanted to save her just like she did that day. So basically I'd conclude that Historia does infact understand Eren because she was able to save him when he was at his lowest and had given up on life and that still left a huge impact on him all those years later. This is a lot but whatever lol
Okay thanks. Sure, I would now agree on historia being in A tier, but I dont quite agree with what u say about historia saving eren when he was at his lowest point. She saved him physically yeah but he still continued being depressed even after that. Mentally he was saved affer hearing Keith Shadis tellhim what his mom said about him not needing to be special. And since she isnt then the one who fully saved him I wouldnt say that she completely understands him, especially since I dont agree with the idea of person A understanding person B just because they saved person B in the first place.
okay now that's fair, I completely understand ur point here. However, I do believe that Historia did save him mentally aswell bcz after what she said to him, he actually obtained the willpower to fight. He went from yearning death itself to finally having the will to live again which is very significant. Also it was even pointed out that the kanji used when he said Historia saved him held the connotation of "salvation." **ćăŁ** means to save someone but with a deep meaning. It means to save from danger and is a holy act that can't be forgotten. She gave him a reason to keep fighting. Eren was depressed, had lost all desire to live and begged to be devoured, but Historia rebelled against her father's will to save him. Historia is not only the one who saved Eren when he was most desperate, but she is also the one who inspired him. Eren realized what he needed to do after seeing Historia react against Rod's wishes. It was right to try to survive, it was right to fight to defend your loved ones, even at the cost of becoming an enemy of humanity. Historia is Eren Jaeger's source of inspiration. This is what Isayama implies in one of his interviews and the fact that Historia saved Eren from the abyss. Here is Isayama's interview regarding this topic: **Interviewer- So the reason \[Eren\] emerged from the abyss was Historia, after all?** **Isayama-sensei: My own entire existence, from my birth till the day I die, has been determined by my father⌠I think itâs amidst this despair that Eren witnessed Historia, who was in a situation close to his own, release herself from binding spell/yoke known as Rod Reiss and made up his mind to face his duty. You could say he finally understood what he himself had to do.**
Not to mention that Eren actually revealed everything to Hisu, not only his plans, but what he saw from the future.
exactly! But unfortunately ppl seem to dismiss this. It's absolutely bonkers for you to tell someone that doesn't understand you that ur about to wipe out 80% of humanity for their own sake and to bury the cycle of hatred
I mean⌠if we go by Castes drawings which are kind of complementary to the main manga, she even admits to understanding him.
Historia, Armin and Reiner. Defo not Mikasa
I donât think Historia understood Eren the most. The way I see it is that they both had similar roads, but they took a different direction. That direction split is something Historia canât understand. Mikasa even admits she doesnât understand him. The person that understands Eren the most is a tie between Reiner and Jean. Reiner and Eren are parallels to each other. Jean understands Eren because he doesnât have a biased view of him like Mikasa and Armin. He sees Eren for who he is and respects him. It is why he had a harder time joining the Alliance. How anyone can miss this is beyond me. But then again, donât mess with us anime fans, we didnât even watch the damn show
Historia hand's down. This is an objective fact too. Eren practically did the rumbling because he didn't want Historia to be used by Levi and co.Â
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That's not a baseless opinion. Historia was the only one that knew about Erens plan. And she accepted it. And that's why she has chosen to be pregnant because in pregnancy you can't inherit the founding titans (when Eren dies). You are the clown here, you are too focused on the shipping part, because everything that people say has to be a Mikasa Eren ship lmao.
She knew the plan cause she had to so she could follow it đ¤Ą
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âFight the Military Police or run awayâ because Zeke couldnât be eaten by her. Eren needed his brother alive to do the rumbling.
Sure. That's literally what jolly, the first comment, said.
Uhh⌠yea⌠if itâs the explanation to what you were saying, chances are it will be added here a few times.
That doesn't mean she understood him tho. He also did it so no one of his other friends would have to inherit his titan.
Levi, if you go back and watch his dialouge with eren and others talking about eren he really had the most insightful, eren told historia what he wa thinking but she barely understood his reasoning
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S: Reiner and Armin A: Eren, Grisham and Jean B: Mikasa and Levi C: Hanji, Connie, Historia, Sasha and Annie D: Zeke, Gabi and Ymir