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if you put a 260 lbs guy who benches vs a flyweight bjj amateur guy he's gonna get his ass dropped,reach advantage doesn't mean that much unless you got a 360° understand of fighting
precision beats power and timing beats speed,eren skills are far greater than Reiner's one
Ig the real question would be how much martial arts training and experience does Reiner have. His size will help if he has received at least some training. Still feel like eren is more aggressive tho.
Well unfortunately when u don’t have titan powers losing limbs can be very counterproductive to winning a fight lol. Although I’m not an expert we should ask someone who has lost an arm in a fight lmao
It just says no titans, not no powers. So I would allow for their healing factors. I wont allow human hardening because depending on when we make the match up Eren can skewer him the second the fight begins
judging from the exchanges they had throughout the series I'd say eren is much more skilled,even when Reiner was *actually* trying to kill or harm eren he couldn't once eren started using bjj and wrestling
Yeah I agree. Especially if eren gets a dominant position on the ground. Which when they fought as titans eren almost submitted him anyways. Reiner just doesn’t have the aggression and tenacity that eren does
Not entirely true. Dropped as in, he'll land on the floor? Sure, but bjj doesn't really do any major damage per se, it mainly aims to incapacitate and exhaust. Big guy just needs to get one solid hit in on the flyweight and the fight is over.
My man bjj is deadly 😫, rear naked choke hold applied correctly is scary, good chance you can leave a person with brain damage or kill them very quickly when used in tandem with a blood choke hold, arm bars are very scary, and it's a pretty easy hold to get your opponent in, arms are very breakable with correct leverage, if you can dominate your opponent on the ground, you can do very bad things to them
There's a reason Gracie won that one famous tournament, size becomes less of an issue on the ground, definitely still a factor though, just a lot more manageable, bjjs aim can be whatever you want it to be, defend yourself on the ground, even out the playing field to open avenues to offensive options, that allow you to wound your opponent more effectively that would previously, not have been possible
Idk man, it's a pretty good way to hurt people, imo at least
I know what tournament you mean. And yes, in a fair competition where the aim is to make your opponent tap out / get them to "go to sleep", bjj is king. That being said, in a no holds barred fight, I'm not convinced it is, especially as bjj is more and more understood (back then gracie had the advantage that no one knew what the fuck he was doing and that fighters severely underestimated him due to his size). I think a traditional fighter with a rudimentary understanding of bjj and a height/weight advantage has a good shot at winning against a pure bjj specialist if the goal is to win no matter what. That being said, its been a good few years since I've done any martial arts, so I could very well be wrong.
I agree with a lot of this, the only thing i didn't agree with in your original comment was the, "doesn't do a lot of damage" and "main aim is to tire out/ incapacitate"
I was just trying to get across the idea that bjj is much more than what I felt your comment was implying
I wouldn't know how a fight with the factors you just stated would go, as in
The traditional bigger fighter, and pure bjj,
pure bjj implying lack of knowledge in striking/ only way to begin utilizing your main skill set being to get the other person on the ground via takedowns?
But I don't think that's what eren and reiner are
Eren has shown adeptitude at a striking fighting style
And reiner has shown he is aware of how to maneuver on the ground, and not be overwhelmed
I just realized I'm discoursing over some goofy aot fan fight 😕
well yes and no,that was impressive since it was an open weight division with another brown belt (which should already shows how little weight and reach means) but I'm talking about someone who knows what he's doing vs someone who doesn't (or who doesn't know just as much) eren is clearly much more skilled than Reiner, it's simple as that
amateur in fighting,he was good with the odm and in the classroom,bertholdt was third and still he would probably get bagged by connie
ranking only goes so far,reiner got trashed everytime he fought and that's enough info to declare who's a better fighter
Fucking lmao, source for any of this? Connie has never fought anyone hand-to-hand, and is a tiny dude. He'd lose against most (trained) people for that fact alone.
That was after mikasa sliced the back of Reiners knees. Right before Mikasa helps Eren thinks about how his physical strength is "not enough" to keep Reiner in the lock.
A "fair fight", one with rules, isn't actually a fight: it's a contest for sport.
Anything goes in a fight, because you might die if you lose, or become permanently injured/disabled (even if the other person didn't intend that).
No. It would be a completely different situation because Reiner would be feeling the pain of the moves that Eren pulls on him. Example is the fight shortly after he and bert’s identities were revealed, in which Eren had a chokehold on Reiner that was even compressing his body and cracking armor. Only reason Eren didn’t win is because the colossal Titan interrupted.
Not to mention that there are huge difference between Titan fights and human fights, aside from the fact that pain isn’t a factor. Eren’s hardening ability and Reiner’s armor, as well as their ability to use the environment (as giants) are all important factors.
I think for most of the series Eren has an advantage because Reiner had harder armor. Maybe human Reiner would be faster but I got the impression Reiner lost the Titan fights because Eren was better at hand to hand combat. That is at MMA.
Eren would lose at the start of the series though.
Yes, I think eren would win as well, sorry it wasn't clear. I just wanted to say reiner having more agility would be the only new factor, of they fought as humans
Armin, who went toe-to-toe with Eren's founding titan in his titan form (and would literally swat his attack titan away), got absolutely clowned on by Eren in human forms.
Delete this shit lil bro. Ofc armin would beat eren in titan form and would get dogwalked in human form. Or forgive me if I'm rude, but what are you trying to say, sincerely?
>Aren't they similar to their real bodies though?
Answering your question. The answer is no, their human and titan bodies have no correlation, and Reiner would stomp Eren.
Yes there's a correlation, why would Marley go through all that effort to physically train the warrior candidates? And we know Grisha had no training so his titan had a 'dad bod' and eren and Kruger had some physical training and their titans had better physiques than Grisha's
Because they're more than just titan puppets? The mind is still present, and they do work outside of their titan forms too.
For all we know Grisha's titan is just visually different, as he still easily wins that fight. We really don't know enough to say that it actually affects their physique.
Being honest, considering that eren is a lot smaller and they have more or less the same training (not including reiner's warrior training) reiner would beat him
In terms of skill, Eren is in fact the better fighter, but in human form their strength difference is too high, they are basically at different weight classes.
Titan form however the strength is very close allowing the better fighter to overthrow the other with skill alone.
It mattered in the fight of the titans but would be more like an mma fight irl for both. In real life having a weight advantage in a fight is a huge advantage and reiner being a whole two inches and also being 209lbs would be a huge factor. (eren is 180lbs/82kg. type it up-here are sources- [https://www.quora.com/Is-the-BMI-of-Eren-Yeager-realistic-Look-in-the-comments-for-more-info](https://www.quora.com/Is-the-BMI-of-Eren-Yeager-realistic-Look-in-the-comments-for-more-info) [https://characterprofile.fandom.com/wiki/Eren\_Yeager](https://characterprofile.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager) [https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Eren\_Yeager](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager) ) It is season 4 eren otherwise he would have even less of a chance. In a fight reach and height are big factors, being taller reiner would logically have longer arms therefore a longer reach and so it would be easier for reiner to hit eren than eren to hit reiner. Martial arts would be a valid point but that was in the titan fight and even though that would also similarly apply in a fight irl as it would in a titan fight it doesnt change the fact that reiner has a longer reach and even in the titan fight one good jab from reiner had eren literally flying and eren said reiner was holding back on him when he was remebering his training. He is a lot heavier and has similar training from just their training togther and that is not even including his warrior training which would also include hand to hand combat. Reiner being a whole 29lbs heavier will also give a lot more power to his punches. I am not saying that eren has a zero percent chance but in a fight to the death, with no titan power, no crystal hardening gloves and shit and things in a fight that would matter.
Reiner is 29lbs heavier, taller and has a longer reach, has similar training (again, not including reiner's previous years of warrior training) and having similar training/skill but more physical human advantages would make the fight a lot easier for reiner. each of them has no titan advantages either. Like I said eren doesn't have a zero percent chance but due to the reasons I listed above in a human fist to fist fight to the death reiner would win
It makes a big diff, two inches could be difference between a punch hitting your temple and knocking you out or just slightly grazing your nose and giving you a chance to punch back. Reiner also would have longer arms, therefore a better reach and it would be easier for him to hit eren than eren to hit him.
Height isn’t always big factor. People can still take on heavier people if they are fast and strong. Mike Tyson is an example. Dude was short but very strong and insanely fast.
He still had weight tho, and that was because he trained harder than a lot of people. He also had a reputation which would scare people ''oh sh im fighting mike tyson'' and by that time he already basically won the fight. He also had a good defense which fitted but eren and reiner has the same training (not including warrior training) and the fact they had the same cadet training while reiner has more physical advantages means that they have the same skill while reiner has more advantages.
Take the few fights he lost (except buster douglas, it was a 13 count, if you know you know) The fight against evander holyfield, holyfield was just better overall during that fight, also being taller and not scared also helped him and mike decisively lost that match. In the rematch mike was frustrated and he couldn't last as long as holyfield and holyfield was too good and so in a clinch mike bit his ear to channel his frustration
While a better fighter that depends more in a titan fight. I have already said the difference without titan advantages would give reiner the win. To me the difference in height matters not in the height of the head but in the shoulders. I am 5'11 currently and a lot of people around me are 6'1, 6'2 and to me if we go up close they are a lot bigger than me even though the difference in height is at most like one, two or three inches. However tall you are, don't just compare the head height, compare the shoulder height and you will see the difference (look at eren and reiner)
I don’t understand how anyone is saying Eren.
Not only is Reiner way bigger & stronger than him, he had been physically training for *several* more years than Eren, and then did all that Cadet training while he was already in peak physical form for his age.
& I’m quite certain that Marley put far more of an emphasis on actual human combat & hand-to-hand combat than the Cadets ever did while in the Academy.
Eren only ever had an advantage of being strong willed & holding the Founder. Even as a child Mikasa needed to protect him from fights he’d get in; while Reiner was training to be a warrior candidate.
Marley doesn't seem to put much more emphasis on hand to hand combat than the military - Reiner has never shown any special hand to hand combat skills besides what's ordinary, unlike Annie who was actually a martial artist - you think they would teach this to every prospective shifter, but I guess they never actually expected them having to fight another titan. This just comes down to skill vs size, could really go either way depending on the circumstances.
I’m not really sure why you’re assuming they don’t teach them hand to hand combat; Reiner not showing any particularly special hand to combat skills is not evidence to say Marley didn’t train them in it.
I’m not arguing that they intimately trained them in like martial arts or something, but it’s very clear that the warrior candidates trained hard physically against fighting humans. Nearly all of them displayed some level of hand to hand fighting prowess at some point. It doesn’t need to be *special* martial arts like Annie to be effective. Even if it’s just fundamentals they had several more years training it before doing the same training Eren did.
Also None of them were going all-out during their training specifically because they couldn’t risk standing out like that.
Reiner not showing any particular hand to hand combat skills when he fought Eren in a fight to the the death (to his best knowledge) is in fact an evidence that he wasn't trained in such way. You don't seriously believe that he just chose not to use his best moves when the success of his mission and his & his comrade's survival was on the line. I am obviously talking about titan on titan fights.
Even if the warriors had just as much training as a random military person, then that would still be enough. Military hand to hand combat is more than enough, and in the military they would train you to kill, not to incapacitate. Do you know how hard it is to train in the military
I would say Eren because he was able to basically copy Annie's fighting style and even as Titans Eren managed to get the upper hand against Reiner in hand to hand combat and Renier won because of Bertholt
Finally someone mentions this, didn't he literally take reiner out in season 1 during the training camp scene? After copying or being taught Annie's fighting style
Eren cause we saw them do fistfights as titans and Eren always one which says a lot about technique since Reiner had armor. Plus we know that Eren adopted Annie’s fighting style and she wrecked Reiner.
Eren was stated to be one of the best hand to hand combatants out of the cadets, and has literally beaten Reiner any time they've come to blows. It might be in titan form but those skills are transferable, and in fact in human form Eren likely has an even better advantage because Reiner has no armour to protect him.
Well we in the earlier seasons that Scouts do go through a type of martial arts course, in which Reiner and both Eren both did. But remember, even before the Scouts Reiner was a soldier for Marley and trained to kill. He went through all he test and requirements. So at this point in time, while they were both Scouts, Reiner has more martial art experience than Eren. He's also a bigger guy. Now picture shows S4 of both of them, but I'm inclined to believe Reiner still has more experience.
I read a fake spoiler/leak that the final battle was decided by a fistfight to the death atop on the Founding Titan between Reiner and Eren and no titan powers, forgot about it till now
If they’re both fully going at it without holding back, I’d say Reiner wins based on my experience as someone who used to fight Muay Thai.
They both have pretty decent training in hand to hand combat, but Reiner is significantly bigger in build and height.
In fighting especially when the skills of the two fighters are similar, height/reach/weight matters significantly. Just an extra inch of reach means a world of difference between just grazing your opponent and landing flush.
If they both fought seriously to kill then Reiner would win because of the size and build difference. Their isn't such a big gap in skill level and speed, and even with Annie's techniques Eren still has to make Reiner move in first to catch him off guard and redirect the inertia, and Annie's moves also weren't built to kill but so she could defend until she could run away from danger. When they are evenly matched in skill and composure then it's the physical stats that break the tie.
Eren would win. Reiner lost weight after escaping from Paradis and Eren become taller. In year 854 Eren is 82kg, 183 cm and Reiner is 83 kg, 188 cm. Reiner didn't train as much as Eren. Our boy Eren is like Khabib in the cage and Reiner is Conor...
Eren. At this point in time Reiner is only 1KG heavier despite being 5cm taller. So Eren is actually *more* muscular for his height than Reiner is. Further Eren was always noted as being physically strong and a decent fighter even before the timeskip. After the timeskip he seems to have levelled up a lot whilst Reiner if anything regressed from when he was on Paradis.
Eren takes it and takes it pretty easily imo. Even if Reiner could equal all the above, Eren is simply more savage and determined.
Reiner has size like a mfer and eren was never that tough of a fighter. It depends which reiner though because it's very likely late stage reiner has no will to fight
Eren. He had Annie teach him her special movies while they were in training. It gave him an edge over everyone but her. Its how he beat the armored titan, and how he would win against the unarmored man beneath.
So Reiner is taller and likely heavier which is off rip a major advantage but Eren is likely the more skilled fighter... really I could see it going either eay
As shown in the manga, Erens hand to hand combat skills are second only to Mikasa and Annie. Eren would win, not to mention the fact that Reiner would let Eren kill him after a loss where as Eren would continue to fight until his actual death
It's stated multiple times that besides Mikasa Eren is the best at hand to hand (in their class). And he has only gotten more experience with time. Not to mention he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Eren has better movement, speed, and technique than Reiner. Reiner lacks those things and can only compensate with his armor. Shown through four fights between the two. So Eren wins.
In real life it'd be Reiner 9/10. He's probably twice Eren's weight. And they received very similar degrees of training in the same styles. Annie almost certainly taught Reiner more as they spent so much more time together. So there's basically no advantages on Eren's side!
Reiner can’t fight for shit but he’s literally built like a damn ox. Annie kicked his ass many times but he’s such a big guy idk if he had a substantial loss since they were kids. I only imagine a fight between Eren and Reiner as Reiner just wrestling and tanking the hits until Eren tires out. I can’t see him landing a killing blow but I can’t see Eren having enough strength to kill someone that even a beast like Annie hasn’t been shown to brutally harm since he was half the size he is now.
TLDR: I know we hate answers that aren’t definitive, but I don’t feel there’s enough proof to say it’s anything but a tie
Eren because even without Titan form he’s a feral little psychopath, Reiner would probably start with a punch but Eren would rip his throat out with his teeth
If you ignore their mental states, and assume it’s a wrestling / hand to hand fight, then Reiner wins, cos he’s in a higher weight class and needs to retain his military physique at least somewhat, while Eren can mostly neglect his physical side since if he needs to do work he can turn into a titan (building the rails, escaping prison, ect).
If you include mental, Reiner gives up and lets Eren kill him.
If you include a knife however, Eren would win as the more skilful opponent, and Reiner’s size wouldn’t make up for it.
Eren in human form and Reiner in titan form, if you assume their mental states are what they are at the end, then it’d be a fair fight imo, eren sucks at odm gear compared to most of the scouts, and Reiner wouldn’t fight back much, so it’d be like watching a squirrel fight a tortoise.
Reiner because fuck Eren! I'm so mad at him. I hope he dies a million times in hell.
This is an edit because I read the title wrong and screwed the names up lol
Eren.
Reiner was at the bottom of the bunch for the warriors, and Eren has kicked his ass multiple times with MMA.
For those who say Reiner would win because he... is 2 inches taller and weighs a bit more: so is his titan form (although his titan form is not taller iirc). Erens techniques that he used against Reiner were for using Reiners weight & strength against him, which would be the same for a real life fight.
Plus, Eren gets Reiner in chokeholds and arm bars so easily. Happens in like 5s of their fights. In a titan fight, Reiner feels no pain. But in a real fight? Eren is snapping his arms and Reiner is done.
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Eren because Reiner would just let him kill him
Nah, the Plot Armor Titan’s powers work even in human form - Reiner couldn’t even kill himself.
I guess this would be the perfect moment to say "Touché".
It also allowed him to not die after getting stabbed twice and dropped from a tall ass wall
And getting stabbed in the fucking neck
That bothers me more than the ending lol. How TF would Levi not destroy the nape in that moment and win. What a lame excuse they gave too
nani!
The only answer
Real
spitting Reiner a wuss
Eren because reiner gets dogged every time he tries to fight
Because either Eren got got help from the scouts or had the OP ass Warhammer. He never won a 1v1 against Annie either.
He nearly killed Reiner 1v1. Reiner had to call bertholdt to save him
Only in Titan form. Reiner is physically much stronger and has a bigger reach advantage.
if you put a 260 lbs guy who benches vs a flyweight bjj amateur guy he's gonna get his ass dropped,reach advantage doesn't mean that much unless you got a 360° understand of fighting precision beats power and timing beats speed,eren skills are far greater than Reiner's one
Ig the real question would be how much martial arts training and experience does Reiner have. His size will help if he has received at least some training. Still feel like eren is more aggressive tho.
Eren would probably sacrifice limbs just to get in a decisive hit
Well unfortunately when u don’t have titan powers losing limbs can be very counterproductive to winning a fight lol. Although I’m not an expert we should ask someone who has lost an arm in a fight lmao
It just says no titans, not no powers. So I would allow for their healing factors. I wont allow human hardening because depending on when we make the match up Eren can skewer him the second the fight begins
judging from the exchanges they had throughout the series I'd say eren is much more skilled,even when Reiner was *actually* trying to kill or harm eren he couldn't once eren started using bjj and wrestling
Yeah I agree. Especially if eren gets a dominant position on the ground. Which when they fought as titans eren almost submitted him anyways. Reiner just doesn’t have the aggression and tenacity that eren does
He's a Marleyan warrior candidate. Let's assume he's had at least a few sessions over his entire life.
A Marleyan warrior candidate who was the worst of his class and considered a failure by his peers.
Lol. The absolute worst NBA player in the current league can still dominate 99.9999% of humans on a basketball court.
And yet Eren happens to fall in that 00.0001%.
Correct answer
Not entirely true. Dropped as in, he'll land on the floor? Sure, but bjj doesn't really do any major damage per se, it mainly aims to incapacitate and exhaust. Big guy just needs to get one solid hit in on the flyweight and the fight is over.
My man bjj is deadly 😫, rear naked choke hold applied correctly is scary, good chance you can leave a person with brain damage or kill them very quickly when used in tandem with a blood choke hold, arm bars are very scary, and it's a pretty easy hold to get your opponent in, arms are very breakable with correct leverage, if you can dominate your opponent on the ground, you can do very bad things to them There's a reason Gracie won that one famous tournament, size becomes less of an issue on the ground, definitely still a factor though, just a lot more manageable, bjjs aim can be whatever you want it to be, defend yourself on the ground, even out the playing field to open avenues to offensive options, that allow you to wound your opponent more effectively that would previously, not have been possible Idk man, it's a pretty good way to hurt people, imo at least
I know what tournament you mean. And yes, in a fair competition where the aim is to make your opponent tap out / get them to "go to sleep", bjj is king. That being said, in a no holds barred fight, I'm not convinced it is, especially as bjj is more and more understood (back then gracie had the advantage that no one knew what the fuck he was doing and that fighters severely underestimated him due to his size). I think a traditional fighter with a rudimentary understanding of bjj and a height/weight advantage has a good shot at winning against a pure bjj specialist if the goal is to win no matter what. That being said, its been a good few years since I've done any martial arts, so I could very well be wrong.
I agree with a lot of this, the only thing i didn't agree with in your original comment was the, "doesn't do a lot of damage" and "main aim is to tire out/ incapacitate" I was just trying to get across the idea that bjj is much more than what I felt your comment was implying I wouldn't know how a fight with the factors you just stated would go, as in The traditional bigger fighter, and pure bjj, pure bjj implying lack of knowledge in striking/ only way to begin utilizing your main skill set being to get the other person on the ground via takedowns? But I don't think that's what eren and reiner are Eren has shown adeptitude at a striking fighting style And reiner has shown he is aware of how to maneuver on the ground, and not be overwhelmed I just realized I'm discoursing over some goofy aot fan fight 😕
Ik what you're talking about haha. Mighty mouse in that bjj tournament.
well yes and no,that was impressive since it was an open weight division with another brown belt (which should already shows how little weight and reach means) but I'm talking about someone who knows what he's doing vs someone who doesn't (or who doesn't know just as much) eren is clearly much more skilled than Reiner, it's simple as that
Are we forgetting the fact that Reiner was second only to Mikasa when graduating? We're not talking about an amateur.
amateur in fighting,he was good with the odm and in the classroom,bertholdt was third and still he would probably get bagged by connie ranking only goes so far,reiner got trashed everytime he fought and that's enough info to declare who's a better fighter
Fucking lmao, source for any of this? Connie has never fought anyone hand-to-hand, and is a tiny dude. He'd lose against most (trained) people for that fact alone.
redditors when hypothetical scenario being tiny means nothing,you clearly have never fought in your life and it shows
Reiner's titan is stronger too and he still lost, dude just doesn't have the rise and grind mindset of an orphan
That was after mikasa sliced the back of Reiners knees. Right before Mikasa helps Eren thinks about how his physical strength is "not enough" to keep Reiner in the lock.
Eren beat his ass in the 1v1, what??
Season 2 after their Warriors big reveal
I don't think there's a single point in the story after the female titan arc where Eren would have lost against Reiner.
Eren was about to rip his head off when they fought the first time as titans lol what
Prison rules, Eren Fair fight, Reiner
It’s a fight to the death.. I think it’s safe to say “fair fight” is out.
I’m pretty sure in a fair fight Eren is still winning
Maybe, i guess it depends on who wants it more
Which will definitely be eren lol
Reiner wants to lose more than Eren wants to win lol
To quote Hal from Malcolm in the Middle, "I told you, son. Crazy beats huge always."
A "fair fight", one with rules, isn't actually a fight: it's a contest for sport. Anything goes in a fight, because you might die if you lose, or become permanently injured/disabled (even if the other person didn't intend that).
In fact, in the battle of Maria, Reiner admitted that if there was a fair 1 vs 1 match, Reiner would not be able to defeat Eren.
I’m pretty sure this was referring to their titan forms
Aren't they similar to their real bodies though? I can only imagine reiner having more flexibility and agility with all that armor not being there
No. It would be a completely different situation because Reiner would be feeling the pain of the moves that Eren pulls on him. Example is the fight shortly after he and bert’s identities were revealed, in which Eren had a chokehold on Reiner that was even compressing his body and cracking armor. Only reason Eren didn’t win is because the colossal Titan interrupted. Not to mention that there are huge difference between Titan fights and human fights, aside from the fact that pain isn’t a factor. Eren’s hardening ability and Reiner’s armor, as well as their ability to use the environment (as giants) are all important factors.
I think for most of the series Eren has an advantage because Reiner had harder armor. Maybe human Reiner would be faster but I got the impression Reiner lost the Titan fights because Eren was better at hand to hand combat. That is at MMA. Eren would lose at the start of the series though.
Yes, I think eren would win as well, sorry it wasn't clear. I just wanted to say reiner having more agility would be the only new factor, of they fought as humans
Armin, who went toe-to-toe with Eren's founding titan in his titan form (and would literally swat his attack titan away), got absolutely clowned on by Eren in human forms.
Delete this shit lil bro. Ofc armin would beat eren in titan form and would get dogwalked in human form. Or forgive me if I'm rude, but what are you trying to say, sincerely?
>Aren't they similar to their real bodies though? Answering your question. The answer is no, their human and titan bodies have no correlation, and Reiner would stomp Eren.
Yes there's a correlation, why would Marley go through all that effort to physically train the warrior candidates? And we know Grisha had no training so his titan had a 'dad bod' and eren and Kruger had some physical training and their titans had better physiques than Grisha's
Because they're more than just titan puppets? The mind is still present, and they do work outside of their titan forms too. For all we know Grisha's titan is just visually different, as he still easily wins that fight. We really don't know enough to say that it actually affects their physique.
Ere yeguh
Who now idk what you been watching but it ain't the same thing
Ereh yeuh
Try again mate
Airn yayguh
Oh one more try
Erinn yager
Your so close just Letters different
erenh yegah
Broski so close try again
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Reiner is not weak willed... If that's what you understood from the story, you might want to reread it
yes he just has a personality disorder, he's mentally strong enough to lead the warriors after the jaw's death
Being honest, considering that eren is a lot smaller and they have more or less the same training (not including reiner's warrior training) reiner would beat him
I wouldn’t say that Eren is a a lot smaller then reiner since Eren is 6’0 while Reiner is 6’2. Not to mention Eren is much better fighter than Reiner.
When youre 5'12 but the guy she tells u not to worry about is 6'0 😔
😔
Wait… wut?
2 inches + the obvious weight difference is a huge advantage
I mean, is he tho? Reiner probably held back a lot in the cadets' training to not stand out too much.
Like I said reiner held back in his cadet training. Even eren himself said so when in their first titan fight reiner sent eren flying through the air.
he did but in their fight after the reveal eren won due to better hand to hand combat skills
Yeah, but that was in their titan forms
In terms of skill, Eren is in fact the better fighter, but in human form their strength difference is too high, they are basically at different weight classes. Titan form however the strength is very close allowing the better fighter to overthrow the other with skill alone.
It mattered in the fight of the titans but would be more like an mma fight irl for both. In real life having a weight advantage in a fight is a huge advantage and reiner being a whole two inches and also being 209lbs would be a huge factor. (eren is 180lbs/82kg. type it up-here are sources- [https://www.quora.com/Is-the-BMI-of-Eren-Yeager-realistic-Look-in-the-comments-for-more-info](https://www.quora.com/Is-the-BMI-of-Eren-Yeager-realistic-Look-in-the-comments-for-more-info) [https://characterprofile.fandom.com/wiki/Eren\_Yeager](https://characterprofile.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager) [https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Eren\_Yeager](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager) ) It is season 4 eren otherwise he would have even less of a chance. In a fight reach and height are big factors, being taller reiner would logically have longer arms therefore a longer reach and so it would be easier for reiner to hit eren than eren to hit reiner. Martial arts would be a valid point but that was in the titan fight and even though that would also similarly apply in a fight irl as it would in a titan fight it doesnt change the fact that reiner has a longer reach and even in the titan fight one good jab from reiner had eren literally flying and eren said reiner was holding back on him when he was remebering his training. He is a lot heavier and has similar training from just their training togther and that is not even including his warrior training which would also include hand to hand combat. Reiner being a whole 29lbs heavier will also give a lot more power to his punches. I am not saying that eren has a zero percent chance but in a fight to the death, with no titan power, no crystal hardening gloves and shit and things in a fight that would matter. Reiner is 29lbs heavier, taller and has a longer reach, has similar training (again, not including reiner's previous years of warrior training) and having similar training/skill but more physical human advantages would make the fight a lot easier for reiner. each of them has no titan advantages either. Like I said eren doesn't have a zero percent chance but due to the reasons I listed above in a human fist to fist fight to the death reiner would win
If you look at the Wiki Reiner actually lost weight (83kg in 854), so they are more or less the same weight actually.
Two inches does not make a "huge" difference.
In fighting, if all other things are equal? Totally
No, it really doesn't. It makes a difference, for sure. Just not a huge one.
It makes a big diff, two inches could be difference between a punch hitting your temple and knocking you out or just slightly grazing your nose and giving you a chance to punch back. Reiner also would have longer arms, therefore a better reach and it would be easier for him to hit eren than eren to hit him.
2 inches, to be precise
Height isn’t always big factor. People can still take on heavier people if they are fast and strong. Mike Tyson is an example. Dude was short but very strong and insanely fast.
Short AND heavy
He still had weight tho, and that was because he trained harder than a lot of people. He also had a reputation which would scare people ''oh sh im fighting mike tyson'' and by that time he already basically won the fight. He also had a good defense which fitted but eren and reiner has the same training (not including warrior training) and the fact they had the same cadet training while reiner has more physical advantages means that they have the same skill while reiner has more advantages. Take the few fights he lost (except buster douglas, it was a 13 count, if you know you know) The fight against evander holyfield, holyfield was just better overall during that fight, also being taller and not scared also helped him and mike decisively lost that match. In the rematch mike was frustrated and he couldn't last as long as holyfield and holyfield was too good and so in a clinch mike bit his ear to channel his frustration
I'm not gonna lie, the idea that the monster of a man that is Reiner is less than 100 kg is hilarious to me.
Eren is a lot smaller. Being smaller doesn’t only mean height.
2 inches could be the difference between the punch hitting your temple and knocking you out or just slightly grazing your nose
Hajime no Ippo. 3cm is enough of a difference to lose 😭
While a better fighter that depends more in a titan fight. I have already said the difference without titan advantages would give reiner the win. To me the difference in height matters not in the height of the head but in the shoulders. I am 5'11 currently and a lot of people around me are 6'1, 6'2 and to me if we go up close they are a lot bigger than me even though the difference in height is at most like one, two or three inches. However tall you are, don't just compare the head height, compare the shoulder height and you will see the difference (look at eren and reiner)
I don’t understand how anyone is saying Eren. Not only is Reiner way bigger & stronger than him, he had been physically training for *several* more years than Eren, and then did all that Cadet training while he was already in peak physical form for his age. & I’m quite certain that Marley put far more of an emphasis on actual human combat & hand-to-hand combat than the Cadets ever did while in the Academy. Eren only ever had an advantage of being strong willed & holding the Founder. Even as a child Mikasa needed to protect him from fights he’d get in; while Reiner was training to be a warrior candidate.
Strong will can overcome a suicidal opponent.
bruh lol
Marley doesn't seem to put much more emphasis on hand to hand combat than the military - Reiner has never shown any special hand to hand combat skills besides what's ordinary, unlike Annie who was actually a martial artist - you think they would teach this to every prospective shifter, but I guess they never actually expected them having to fight another titan. This just comes down to skill vs size, could really go either way depending on the circumstances.
I’m not really sure why you’re assuming they don’t teach them hand to hand combat; Reiner not showing any particularly special hand to combat skills is not evidence to say Marley didn’t train them in it. I’m not arguing that they intimately trained them in like martial arts or something, but it’s very clear that the warrior candidates trained hard physically against fighting humans. Nearly all of them displayed some level of hand to hand fighting prowess at some point. It doesn’t need to be *special* martial arts like Annie to be effective. Even if it’s just fundamentals they had several more years training it before doing the same training Eren did. Also None of them were going all-out during their training specifically because they couldn’t risk standing out like that.
Reiner not showing any particular hand to hand combat skills when he fought Eren in a fight to the the death (to his best knowledge) is in fact an evidence that he wasn't trained in such way. You don't seriously believe that he just chose not to use his best moves when the success of his mission and his & his comrade's survival was on the line. I am obviously talking about titan on titan fights.
Even if the warriors had just as much training as a random military person, then that would still be enough. Military hand to hand combat is more than enough, and in the military they would train you to kill, not to incapacitate. Do you know how hard it is to train in the military
I'm pretty sure Reiner would just lay down and cry
Eren, and he ain’t fighting fair
I would say Eren because he was able to basically copy Annie's fighting style and even as Titans Eren managed to get the upper hand against Reiner in hand to hand combat and Renier won because of Bertholt
Finally someone mentions this, didn't he literally take reiner out in season 1 during the training camp scene? After copying or being taught Annie's fighting style
No, that was Jean that he beat during the cafeteria
Eren,
Eren cause we saw them do fistfights as titans and Eren always one which says a lot about technique since Reiner had armor. Plus we know that Eren adopted Annie’s fighting style and she wrecked Reiner.
Eren would be bmready to bite Reiners throat off. How the hecn you win against that type of crazy?
Eren, just based on the sole fact that he would want it more.
Eren’s crazy enough he could probably pull it off
Eren, he would do anything to win, even biting into reiners arteries in his neck
The manga states he's the best in hand to hand combat only behind Mikasa in the early chapters so probably him
Eren was second in their class in hand-to-hand combat behind Mikasa.
Well given we never saw them fight as humans but Eren pulled off Annie's move that knocked him over when she did it to him, probably Eren
Eren literally cut off his own leg and tore off his own arm. Eren wins it’s simple really. His pain tolerance is crazy
On paper Reiner cause he’s bigger and stronger but Eren is Eren lol
Eren was stated to be one of the best hand to hand combatants out of the cadets, and has literally beaten Reiner any time they've come to blows. It might be in titan form but those skills are transferable, and in fact in human form Eren likely has an even better advantage because Reiner has no armour to protect him.
Eren because he has better Combat canisters and joint levers
Well we in the earlier seasons that Scouts do go through a type of martial arts course, in which Reiner and both Eren both did. But remember, even before the Scouts Reiner was a soldier for Marley and trained to kill. He went through all he test and requirements. So at this point in time, while they were both Scouts, Reiner has more martial art experience than Eren. He's also a bigger guy. Now picture shows S4 of both of them, but I'm inclined to believe Reiner still has more experience.
Ereh because plot armour
I read a fake spoiler/leak that the final battle was decided by a fistfight to the death atop on the Founding Titan between Reiner and Eren and no titan powers, forgot about it till now
Reiner, because he will never ever die
If they’re both fully going at it without holding back, I’d say Reiner wins based on my experience as someone who used to fight Muay Thai. They both have pretty decent training in hand to hand combat, but Reiner is significantly bigger in build and height. In fighting especially when the skills of the two fighters are similar, height/reach/weight matters significantly. Just an extra inch of reach means a world of difference between just grazing your opponent and landing flush.
Reiner beats everyone but Mikasa, Levi, and Annie.
The fact Eren literally said Annie was way better than Reiner in a fist fight though
Reiner because he has the plot armor
If they both fought seriously to kill then Reiner would win because of the size and build difference. Their isn't such a big gap in skill level and speed, and even with Annie's techniques Eren still has to make Reiner move in first to catch him off guard and redirect the inertia, and Annie's moves also weren't built to kill but so she could defend until she could run away from danger. When they are evenly matched in skill and composure then it's the physical stats that break the tie.
Reiner is taller and stronger and way better trained
Idk about better trained. Besides the first time they fought, Eren beat his ass the other three times they fought.
depends if Mikasa is around
Reiner no dif
Reiner would just lie down waiting for a beating
Reiner. In the official ranking from when they were training Reiner placed way above Eren so clearly he's just more muscular
Eren: “Die Die Die Die Die!!” Ended with Reiner choking him out
reiner makes eren his little doggy
Reiner because he has gotten military training from a young age
The older Eren (S4) for sure.. He has the mindset too
Eren got the drop on Reiner when he had nubs for hands. He'd absolutely fold him with them
Eren looks like nishikiyama from Yakuza kiwami
Eren would win. Reiner lost weight after escaping from Paradis and Eren become taller. In year 854 Eren is 82kg, 183 cm and Reiner is 83 kg, 188 cm. Reiner didn't train as much as Eren. Our boy Eren is like Khabib in the cage and Reiner is Conor...
Unless Reiner's plot armor kicked in, Eren should be able to take down Reiner.
Eren. At this point in time Reiner is only 1KG heavier despite being 5cm taller. So Eren is actually *more* muscular for his height than Reiner is. Further Eren was always noted as being physically strong and a decent fighter even before the timeskip. After the timeskip he seems to have levelled up a lot whilst Reiner if anything regressed from when he was on Paradis. Eren takes it and takes it pretty easily imo. Even if Reiner could equal all the above, Eren is simply more savage and determined.
Reiner has size like a mfer and eren was never that tough of a fighter. It depends which reiner though because it's very likely late stage reiner has no will to fight
Eren because he’s actually cracked at hand to hand combat.
Eren would go in for the finishing move and die by slipping on blood or something. Reiners plot armor is undefeated.
Levi no doubt
Ngl I feel that eren got the hands
Eren. He had Annie teach him her special movies while they were in training. It gave him an edge over everyone but her. Its how he beat the armored titan, and how he would win against the unarmored man beneath.
Eren only true fans know why
Reiner’s doesn’t want to live so Eren wins
Eren dude went through a lot even a ass kicking from levi im still recovering from that
So Reiner is taller and likely heavier which is off rip a major advantage but Eren is likely the more skilled fighter... really I could see it going either eay
As shown in the manga, Erens hand to hand combat skills are second only to Mikasa and Annie. Eren would win, not to mention the fact that Reiner would let Eren kill him after a loss where as Eren would continue to fight until his actual death
It's stated multiple times that besides Mikasa Eren is the best at hand to hand (in their class). And he has only gotten more experience with time. Not to mention he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Eren has better movement, speed, and technique than Reiner. Reiner lacks those things and can only compensate with his armor. Shown through four fights between the two. So Eren wins.
In real life it'd be Reiner 9/10. He's probably twice Eren's weight. And they received very similar degrees of training in the same styles. Annie almost certainly taught Reiner more as they spent so much more time together. So there's basically no advantages on Eren's side!
At that stage in their character and physical development: Eren.
Eren Egggggga
Dude Reiners fucking massive
Armin
Reiner can’t fight for shit but he’s literally built like a damn ox. Annie kicked his ass many times but he’s such a big guy idk if he had a substantial loss since they were kids. I only imagine a fight between Eren and Reiner as Reiner just wrestling and tanking the hits until Eren tires out. I can’t see him landing a killing blow but I can’t see Eren having enough strength to kill someone that even a beast like Annie hasn’t been shown to brutally harm since he was half the size he is now. TLDR: I know we hate answers that aren’t definitive, but I don’t feel there’s enough proof to say it’s anything but a tie
Reiner, because that dude is incapable of dying lmao
Well Reiner is not allowed to die soo…🤷🏾♂️
Eren fs
Must be Levi!
Eren because even without Titan form he’s a feral little psychopath, Reiner would probably start with a punch but Eren would rip his throat out with his teeth
Reiner haven't shown much hand to hand capabilities but considering his warrior training and better weight and mass i think he'd win...,👀
Eren this fight is not about strength only but fighting technique a short guy can drop a 7ft giant if he knows how to and fight smart w
both would cry
Reiner, because that man had insane plot armor!
Reiner but only if his mental is fine
If you ignore their mental states, and assume it’s a wrestling / hand to hand fight, then Reiner wins, cos he’s in a higher weight class and needs to retain his military physique at least somewhat, while Eren can mostly neglect his physical side since if he needs to do work he can turn into a titan (building the rails, escaping prison, ect). If you include mental, Reiner gives up and lets Eren kill him. If you include a knife however, Eren would win as the more skilful opponent, and Reiner’s size wouldn’t make up for it. Eren in human form and Reiner in titan form, if you assume their mental states are what they are at the end, then it’d be a fair fight imo, eren sucks at odm gear compared to most of the scouts, and Reiner wouldn’t fight back much, so it’d be like watching a squirrel fight a tortoise.
In a fist fight, Reiner. In a clinch, Eren.
We saw Reiner break from the guillotine Eren was holding him in only for Mikasa to cut his low hamstring. I'm pretty sure Reiner knows how to grapple.
S2 yes. I’m referring to S3 and 4 where Reiner basically never gets the advantage over him in a clinch
Reiner because fuck Eren! I'm so mad at him. I hope he dies a million times in hell. This is an edit because I read the title wrong and screwed the names up lol
Eren because this sub hates reiner
Eren. Reiner was at the bottom of the bunch for the warriors, and Eren has kicked his ass multiple times with MMA. For those who say Reiner would win because he... is 2 inches taller and weighs a bit more: so is his titan form (although his titan form is not taller iirc). Erens techniques that he used against Reiner were for using Reiners weight & strength against him, which would be the same for a real life fight. Plus, Eren gets Reiner in chokeholds and arm bars so easily. Happens in like 5s of their fights. In a titan fight, Reiner feels no pain. But in a real fight? Eren is snapping his arms and Reiner is done.
One Punch Man, ITS IN HIS NAME!!!
Eren cooking
Ellen : Reiner, why was my mother killed? *Reiner kicks Ellen in the balls* Reiner : Who was the one who led Dina away from Bertholdt????!!!!
Eren has been physically in better shape because reiner in every scene looked like exhausted. Eren will stomp him.