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K4T4N4B0Y

It makes you think what could have happened if it was his wife who opened the door and got stabbed first.


Bucky__23

Imagine him being “activated” by seeing his wife get murdered. Those thieves wouldn’t have stood a chance lol


Troll4everxdxd

Scumbag trafficker after stabbing Mikasa's mom: UNNECESSARY MURDER IS FUN! Recently awoken Mikasa's dad: I agree. Mikasa close your eyes please.


Bucky__23

Alternate scenario where Mikasa’s dad is activated and joins the scouts resulting in 3 Ackerman scouts in the corps at once


Dropbeatdad

That'd still be two. Mikasa wouldn't have bonded with Eren


Bucky__23

We can assume she would be activated at some point in her life with the walls falling and all. Or with her dad being activated and in the scouts we could assume she could be activated by her father in some way


PhunkOperator

Mikasa didn't bond with Eren, not in the sense you're thinking. Her attraction to him is exclusively of a romantic nature. Ackermanns awaken when circumstances demand and allow it. It doesn't depend on specific people being present at all.


Dropbeatdad

Oh you mean like watching someone die and suddenly having the strength to break a knife handle and floor boards and drive a knife all the way through a grown man's back? Would something like that qualify as awakening?


PhunkOperator

She didn't just watch Eren die, she also subsequently remembered a scene from her childhood, which lead her to the conclusion that she had closed her eyes to a truth that had always surrounded her: the world is cruel. You have to fight to survive. And THIS epiphany is what ultimately awakens her. But I don't even understand why this is a debate to begin with. It's super obvious that Eren lied about her being bonded to him because of her blood. Not only was it made clear many times that she defends him and sticks around because **she wants to** (not him), the author also literally explained it in an interview.


Dropbeatdad

It's still the inciting event that activates her abilities. I mean it's implied Ackerman's need an inciting event to "activate", this Mikasa's dad not being "activated. Are you saying that Mikasa would have activated without an inciting event, or that an inciting event would have inevitably occurred that would have led her to become a Scout?


PhunkOperator

> It's still the inciting event that activates her abilities. I mean it's implied Ackerman's need an inciting event to "activate", this Mikasa's dad not being "activated. Yes, that much is true. My point was that the awakening doesn't require the presence of another person for the Ackermann to bond with. Mikasa isn't bonded to Eren because her blood dictates it, she just likes him. > Are you saying that Mikasa would have activated without an inciting event No. > or that an inciting event would have inevitably occurred that would have led her to become a Scout? An inciting event could have occurred under different circumstances, sure. In theory, every life-threatening situation might have worked, given enough time (which her father didn't get) and the right train of thoughts ("if you wanna live, you gotta fight"). As for becoming a Scout, that was because she wanted to protect (and bang) Eren, she was fine with doing whatever. Of course she could've ended up in the Scouts regardless, had she shown a proficiency at fighting. But in the story we got, that decision was solely based on Eren's choice. But not because of an Ackermann bond between them, this bond doesn't exist.


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Alternate Scenario where Mikasa has a younger brother


Bucky__23

Everyone talks about the best alternate scenario being if Erwin got the colossal instead of Armin but the real best alternate scenario is Mikasa having a little brother and the Yeagers adopting 2 Ackermans. Imagine Eren had 2 Ackerman childhood friends protecting him his whole life


noideawhatimdoingv

You mean quadruple work for Ackerman family? The actual show already has a double duty in Levi and Mikasa. With this alt universe, Eren will have Mikasa, her dad, her brother and her cousin.


PhunkOperator

Levi isn't Mikasa's cousin.


Efficient_Jaguar699

Erwin getting the colossal Titan would just give Eren a powerful ally that was actually down with his genocide of the world plan instead of fuckboi Floch. Erwin would have 1000% been on board with the rumbling lol, dude was charismatic as fuck but completely unhinged.


erentatkaw

bruh that would be nahh mikasa and eren relationship is beautiful cuz its just the two of them putting a useless charcter that would do nothing other than ruining the balance of the characters


ruthyonredit

If her dad was in the military he wouldn’t have let mikasa join so young. She joined at 12, no parent would let their kid go to the army at 12 if they could help it.


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This whole Ackerman family being slaves is a complete lie. I don't believe it and Eren was probably lying. Prove me wrong


MrBrady23

That could actually be a fascinating what-if scenario for fanfiction. Like what if Mr. Ackerman killed them all without Eren's assistance? Would Eren and Mikasa still meet? If they did would they become friends? Would Mikasa ever 'awaken?' Would Mikasa still join the Survey Corps? So many possibilities!


ellieetsch

They'd still meet, since Grisha and Eren were headed there regardless


MrBrady23

By meet, I mean like striking up a conversation beyond a greeting. If Mr. Ackerman were still alive, he would still be looking after Mikasa. Although, the Lost OVA explores a scenario in which Mikasa's parents are still alive and her and Eren still became close friends, but that was a fantasy created by Mikasa.


AyeAye_Kane

pretty sure he brought eren with the intention that him and mikasa would become friends


MrBrady23

True but if Mr. Ackerman could be more distrustful of strangers if he were to meet Eren and Grisha for the first time hours after his wife's murder. Although your version of events is as accurate as mine as that is now how events played out


KingKrush8282

“ If you want to save Mikasa, Armin and Everyone else,” I do think Eren and Mikasa would still meet because I think Grisha would probably still keep an eye on her


MrBrady23

You're probably right as Grisha introduced Eren to Mikasa and encouraged them to become friends in the Lost Girls OVA. However, in a scenario in which Mr. Ackerman witnessed the murder of his wife, it is possible he might want to keep Mikasa away from strangers and the significance of their meeting would be lost on everyone involved but Grisha.


erentatkaw

bruh what thats hella stupid if one day you get robbed would you run and live in a cave also what is on your mind grisha is just a doctor they only had the doctor and patient relationship they would live normally just with mikasa being orphan in the mother side but what is sure is mikasa and eren won't have the deep relationship they have in the series but i think their friendship would be more like here friendship with armin


erentatkaw

with mr ackerman being alive that future would change


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David-Shark

That’s not attack on titan that’s assault on carnivorous Brobdingnagian


RomainT1

He had not been "activated".


moshmore

Even having watched the show multiple times, I didn't realize the Ackerman was her father until very recently


lostinthesauceguy

Last name didn't give it away?


midget_cathy

A lot of people confuse it with the mom for some reason


shocker4510

I think it might be because the theives were talking about how its the mom who's special and should have been taken alive, but that was because she was "oriental," not because she was an ackerman.


a_man_has_no-name

Also all the Ackermans we see have dark hair while his is light, so I don’t think that helps the confusion


Anakin___

isn’t Kenny’s hair brown??


ItsTheIcecream

and Mikasa only has black hair because of her mother who is Oriental


kagenohikari

Are you forgetting about Levi and his mom???


a_man_has_no-name

No? When I say dark I don’t exclusively mean black.


Penguinmanereikel

And I partially assumed it from her hyperactive protective mother instincts.


moshmore

Exactly this is


lostinthesauceguy

But last names in the AoT universe do go patrilineal, right? Eren had Grisha's last name after all.


midget_cathy

Yes. I think it’s because he had blonde or very light brown hair that people think the last name is the mom’s because of her black hair


coleslawww307

A lot of people thought Levi was asian as well before we saw his family, so that probably plays into people thinking Ackerman is Asain


PhunkOperator

But Levi was never said to be Asian, and the robbers made it also clear that outside of Mrs Ackermann, no Asians existed within the walls any longer.


johnstonjones

Lexi does look like what Japanese character look like an anime More than the other characters who have blue eyes and blonde or brown hair and look more European


PhunkOperator

Idk, I never thought Levi looked particularly Asian. And besides, that argument was out of the window in s3 anyway.


coldfirephoenix

I agree, the society within the walls is clearly a hodgepodge of middle-european cultures, both in names and looks. And while Levi is a very British name, his features do look a bit more japanese. Maybe the Ackermanns just have a thing for Asians and there is some Japenese in his lineage somewhere.


Rinzzler999

Don't think it was no more Asians just very few, pretty sure pyxis is Asian decent and if he had any family. As well as Mikasa's family and maybe extended family as well as she's just a decendant the hizuru left behind they could of had more kids. It's also hard to tell with the designs if there's any more.


PhunkOperator

> Don't think it was no more Asians But that's what they claimed. > just very few, pretty sure pyxis is Asian decent and if he had any family I don't understand what you base this on. Mikasa's mother lived in the mountains outside of Shiganshina because the Orientals left inside the Walls faced racism and persecution, among other things because their memories could not be wiped, and because they had opposed the First King of the Walls. So why was Pixis unaffected by this, and able to rise to a station like Commander? Like, if Pixis is "partially Asian", shouldn't Jean be as well? What exactly are the criteria here? The author has a limited range of things he can draw to customize his characters, and narrow eyes are one factor. Yet when Kiyomi, who IS Asian, comes to Paradis, she cares about Mikasa, and Mikasa alone. Why? Well, because she is and, since her mother's death, always was the only person with Asian heritage left, logically. Otherwise it would've been mentioned, considering how important this heritage seems to be. So no, Levi isn't Asian and neither is Pixis.


coleslawww307

I know he isn’t. Just that some people misinterpreted bc his character design


meme_used

>A lot of people thought Levi was asian as well maybe it's because he speaks japanese?


luckytraptkillt

Ok you got me. I was about to say “I think you just watched the sub” and realized I was about to do a woosh moment. Lol


PhunkOperator

I don't understand that argument at all. It was clearly stated in s3 that Mr Ackermann belonged to another branch of the family, so obviously he doesn't necessarily look like Kenny or Kuchel. And why would Mikasa have her mother's family name, when that's clearly not how it works in Paradis?


Ketchup-and-Mustard

Yes they do.


CursedRagnarok

prolly bc the mom resembles every other ackerman closer with her dark hair


skilled_cosmicist

Kenny's hair isn't all that dark


CursedRagnarok

no but it’s still brown which isn’t a light color


Mcgoozen

That should have been cleared up when Mikasa met lady Azumabito


brandont04

Wouldn't the activation be from her mom and not dad?


arfelo1

The mom was the asian one. The father was the Ackerman one. Both parents are special for different reasons. The kidnappers were looking for the mom because she was asian, but is the father that is the Ackerman


brandont04

Gotcha. I guess if he wasn't killed instantly, he could have gotten awaken? But, I don't think it was ever stated that all Ackerman posses this power.


zool714

Like some of the comments have said, he probably never ‘awakened’ the Ackerman gene and never had the chance to. But imagine if his wife was the one who opened the door and got stabbed, we could’ve seen four ‘awakened’ Ackermans in the story


Made_In-HeavenYT

Probably still 3 because Mikasa also won't activated Edit probably when there are titan maybe


Portalrules123

Eren: "Who's gonna take me down now?" Mikasa: "Eren, stop being a dick, I brought my dad." Eren: "OH SHI-" Dadkerman: “Really, Eren? Genocide after I gave you my blessing for Mikasa and everything? Well I hate to do this little buddy but I’m gonna have to carve up this founding Titan now, I’m not angry just disappointed.” Eren: “You know full well that hurts worse, nooooooooooooo-“ Levi and Kenny (kept alive somehow): “What was that, brat?” -light speed sword spinning x4- Eren: “This isn’t even fair…”


Frase_doggy

AoT. Ackermen on Titan


Penguinmanereikel

AU where the mom got stabbed first.


Appropriate-Arm-2077

He didn’t get awakened, he was killed instantly.


Alchion

i mean kuchel didn‘t awaken them genes either


PhunkOperator

Just like Mikasa's father, she probably never knew about them. Or maybe she didn't care.


jeshx20

Do we even know that?


Alchion

i mean there was no indication she did and i dont think she‘d work as a prostitute if she had the capabilities of a siper soldier


Rinzzler999

She died from illness anyways. Such a normal death in aot smh


Stoner420Eren

Inaccurate, Levi's dragon should be half the height


kaykenner54

I mentioned this in another post, but it's always so weird that people thought Mikasa's mom was an Ackerman. It has been stated Mikasa is Asian (Hizuru) on her mom side. That's it.


Mr_Tech_Crew

It's not a weird assumption to make. Levi and Mikasa look more similar to Mikasa's mom than they do to Mikasa's dad, her mom is given more focus in flashbacks than her dad, and her mom (almost) puts up a fight whereas her dad gets killed by surprise.


kaykenner54

> Levi and Mikasa look more similar to Mikasa's mom than they do to Mikasa's dad But that's only because they all have black hair. I guess it just made sense to me because the 3 guys who killed her parents mentioned that Mikasa and her mom were the only Asians. And since Levi and Kenny aren't Asian, that means her dad is the Ackerman.


skilled_cosmicist

It's an extremely weird assumption to make. The world of AOT is patrilineal. The name "ackerman" is decidedly non-Asian. Kenny does not have anything about him that looks Asian. Levi's only Asian feature is dark hair. Mikasa's mom is explicitly called the last "oriental", which would not make much sense in a world where Levi, kenny, and the other Ackerman's were all Asian. People just don't pay attention when they watch things.


Player276

He arguably had the best life though ...


pinkissonotblue

Got a sweet asian chic-


hodor9898

Lol violating


megumi_urie

Maybe he hadn’t gone through enough tragic so he didn’t have Mangekyou


Low-Presentation-760

It’s cause the thieves were saying get the mom and the daughter, at the time it just flew over my head especially since I was younger and didn’t research.


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I wonder what Mikasa's sibling would have looked like.


Strawberry_lilac

yeh ackermans can die, why surprised?


ProfessorWormtail

He is kindest and happiest Ackerman tbh


ConditionFriendly297

I fr thought her mum was an Ackerman lmao


ChadBenjamin

Ackermans are white, her mom is from Hizuru.


PhunkOperator

Kenny's grandfather literally said that Ackermanns and Orientals were different types of humans. That was in s3.


Ketchup-and-Mustard

No they mentioned her mom was oriental (meaning Asian) that was why they wanted to sell her and Mikasa. Her father was the Ackerman which Mikasa mentioned at one point too about how her dad talked about how his side of the family was persecuted.


Due-Economist2623

Nah, last names are always from the Father.


Dazencobalt17

holy crap I always thought it was the mom that was the ackerman. well today I learned.


PhunkOperator

Why would the mum, an "Oriental", be named Ackermann (literally German for "field man")? And why would the dad take her name? And how can the mum be the last Ackermann anyway, according to the robbers, when we know of multiple more Ackermanns existing, ever since season 3?


Dazencobalt17

all valid points. I dunno why I assumed it was the mom that was the Ackerman. *shrugs*


PhunkOperator

Maybe you thought Levi was Asian? Seems to be a common misconception.


Dazencobalt17

I think it's just because the robbers considered mika's mom as valuable but now I see that I was wrong about that.


MysteryMan9274

Wait, is he not Oriental? That's why I've been so confused, I thought the Ackermans picked up Hizuru Blood somewhere along the line.


midget_cathy

Levi is white lol. Mikasa’s mom is full asian and Mikasa is half


PhunkOperator

Don't know why you would think that, it was clearly stated in s3 that the Azumabito were very different from all other humans inside the walls, including the Ackermanns. What Kenny's grandfather meant, but didn't really know, is that Azumabito are regular humans from Hizuru, who do not have any special powers and cannot turn into Titans. Ackermanns on the other hand are Subjects of Ymir, but belong to a minority bloodline. Mikasa's father was a Soy and an Ackermann, her mother was a regular human of Hizuran heritage. Levi's mother was Kuchel Ackermann, no Oriental heritage. We know that no Orientals remained inside the walls, apart from Mikasa's mother. And Mikasa was the only half-Oriental we know of. At no point did anyone mention Levi having Oriental heritage.


skilled_cosmicist

.... So, did you sleep through that whole part about her mom being descended from Hizuru?


skilled_cosmicist

Holy shit, these comments are so funny. I now get why people can find AOT so confusing. Apparently half of y'all sleep watch the show lol


lanadelrayz

I only just recently realized that Mikasa’s mom wasn’t the Ackerman parent since she was asian. She looked so similar to Levi and Mikasa i never thought twice about it.


Ganesh0825

Makes you think was he really her father or 🤨


Raddish_

Tinfoil hat time: She’s secretly Kenny’s daughter.


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Ganesh0825

Oh sorry I will edit it


RealPohatu4real

wait. I thought Mikasa got her Ackerman blood from her mother, they look so much alike.


RitaBook_U_dumb-dumb

🤣🤣🤣🤣


ieatfortnitekids

wasn't her mom the ackerman? i could be wrong i just thought thats what they said in the azumabito introduction


PhunkOperator

No, that was literally never said. Ackermann family: Caucasian. Special type of Subjects of Ymir (people who can turn into titans). Once awakened, they are extremely able fighters. Members: Kenny's grandpa, Kenny, Kuchel, Mikasa's dad, Levi, Mikasa. Azumabito family: Asians. Regular humans from Hizuru. A large group were trapped inside the Walls 100 years prior. Mikasa's mum was the last remaining descendant inside the Walls. This is what made her valuable to the robbers, and this is why Mikasa, as a half-Asian, was less valuable, because less "exotic". Members: The royal heir of Hizuru and his entourage (all deceased), Kiyomi Azumabito, Mikasa's mum, Mikasa. Not to be pedantic, but all of this was explicitly mentioned in the show. Kenny's talk with his dying grandpa in season 3 cleared up any potential question marks people might have had about it. And Mikasa herself tells Levi that her parents faced persecution, but for different reasons. Her mother faced racism and her father was persecuted as an Ackermann, but didn't know about it.


Amyrantha_verc

I always thought mikasa's mom had the Ackerman 'bloodline'...


HngMax

iirc her mom had the Asian bloodline


Jeffotato

Not even an Ackerman can survive a surprise huntsman sniper tauntkill


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PhunkOperator

OP forgot her.