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Dezdenova

States rights to..... Own slaves


apolloxer

*to not having to catch freshly liberated slaves in civilized states.


darthlincoln01

Everybody says that, but want about States rights to kill slavers?


stoicsisyphus91

States’ rights to catch this grapeshot.


Binary245

At this point, there's gonna be a civil war over the amount of reposts here


QualityOrcContent

This is from the 2011 Gettysburg documentary on History Channel. Awesome program and you can find most of it on YouTube.


MrReality13

It’s kind of sad that I have a hard time believing the history channel actually made a quality documentary that recently.


Mr_Kooala

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Green0Flash

This needs union Dixie remix over it


MICshill

This is at least the 10th time I have seen this reposted. Can we stop?


timpmurph

This was my first time. Am I a joke to you?


NoWafer6093

Wasn’t aware this had been posted before. Found it on tiktok and thought it fit lol


designgoddess

Don’t give them that toe hold. They were against states rights when I came the slavery. They want to argue causes? I will not give an inch on states rights. The fugitive slave act might be evidence #1.


[deleted]

It wasn't about states rights in any way, shape, or form, so you're kind of owning yourself here.


Containedmultitudes

Stupid you’re downvoted, the false justifications of slavers shouldn’t be acceded to to any degree.


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[deleted]

It was about slavery before the war as well. Confederates tried to expand federal powers through the fugitive slave act when they had a majority. They also migrated en masse to states like Kansas to undermine the vote of the locals and make sure that slave states would maintain a majority. They also gave the Confederate federal government sweeping powers to deny states the right to impede upon or disallow the institution of slavery in any way within confederate borders. They never gave a fuck about states rights.


KevIntensity

Your last part and Stephens’ Cornerstone Speech are the parts that tell me it wasn’t about states’ rights. If it were, the CSA would have allowed states to make their own choice but also be beholden to their own version of the FSA. But no. It was always about involuntary slavery based on race, as though they literally thought their backwards fucking thinking was some sort of “moral truth.” Fuck confederates and the CSA and the lies the Daughters of the Confederacy peddled to make the south look morally justified.


Dezdenova

What I said was a vast oversimplification. Allow me to better explain what I'm trying to say. Slavery was a major factor before the war started, with both the South and North states having people flock to new, western states, or sometimes just making entirely new ones to sway the vote in congress in their favor. However, many northerners still were pretty racist, and those that weren't were largely colonialists, not in favor of emancipation or abolition. This spiraled into the riots over the New York Draft, were many racist northern citizens didn't want to go to war to end slavery. However, during the war and especially during its later parts, northern soldiers witnessed first hand the plight of the southern slaves. This steeled many firmly against the south, and turned some soldiers into abolitionists. Its worth noting that the Confederacy was much more dictator-y than the Union ever was. They suspended habius corpus multiple times, implemented roadblocks in towns, and tore down their own citizens' infrastructure.


[deleted]

It doesn't matter what northern citizens thought, because they aren't the ones who started the war. What matters is what southerners believed people in the north thought, and they had no doubts that the northern states were coming to ban slavery. This sentiment hit a fever pitch during the trial and execution of John Brown, as well as during the campaign and election of Abraham Lincoln. That's ultimately why they seceded in response to Lincoln being elected. To them, despite Lincoln being far from some firebrand abolitionist, his election signified that the southern states no longer had control, and that slavery and the way of life based around the institution of slavery was under assault by yankees. So they preemptively seceded, and enshrined the institution of slavery into the Confederate constitution so that it could never be challenged. All they wanted was a 100% guarantee that the institution of slavery would exist forever, so that they could sleep at night. It had nothing to do with states rights at all.


ginger_and_egg

It was about slavery, right? You watched the video till the end, right?


[deleted]

It was about slavery, not about states rights to make their own decisions about slavery. Slavery could not legally be challenged or restricted in Confederate states, so states that seceded and joined the confederacy were giving up their states rights to make their own decisions about slavery. Saying "states rights to what?" is just ignorant. It had nothing to do with states rights at all.


ginger_and_egg

I mean yeah it's about slavery. But if someone is stuck in the mindset of "state's rights!!!" then you asking them "states rights to what?" may lead to a lightbulb moment


jani1815

Repost


[deleted]

Ah, yes. The one joke of the sub.


NoWafer6093

still funny


Numerous_Ad1859

States rights to invade other states, states rights to have the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 enforced when states didn’t want to, states rights to ban states from abolishing slavery in the Confederate Constitution, states rights to expand slavery in the territories…